Off The Record /// Episode #55 | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] all right all right oh man oh man and we're back and welcome to this show
up y'all having a great time I guess we should start off by talking about extremely wicked shockingly evil and
vile the new Ted Bundy movie right or the Ted Bundy Netflix movie as they're calling it on the streets streets of
Columbus starring Zac Efron I would say he was very good 5 out of 5 bottle caps for Zac Efron okay okay
cuz I was gonna say wait a second you told me lower than that for your overall opinion of the movie and I'm like well
what has changed and in the short period of time yeah but his performance was his
performance great yeah yeah and it was interesting too because I knew that James Hatfield was in the movie
beforehand that was I think Zac Efron was talking to like Jimmy Kimmel or somebody mmm-hmm and said oh yeah you
know James Hatfields in this movie and it was an honor to meet him because he's a huge Metallica fan and then I was
thinking why is James Hatfield in this movie he should be in every movie well he's a police officer which is
interesting yeah and he does a great job he's in a couple scenes and he cleaned up his look a little bit to look the
part you know like I think there was some shaving that occurred beforehand and we
didn't see like you know tattoos sticking out from the the police uniform yeah and there's but there's this weird
connection because Joe Burling our the director which most people know from through the docu-series Paradise Lost
mm-hmm which had tons of Metallica songs in it he also him and some other guy there they were a documentary team they
did some kind of monster which was a documentary about Metallica so it's probably just like hey James do you want
to be a part of this movie it's going to be on Netflix and there's a lot of people in this movie
that you see that you normally won't see in certain roles like Sheldon for example is yeah you know what I actually
thought the the surprise for me was it was pretty star-studded ya know like there was some there was
some big actors and big actresses in it and I had it on my to-do list of things to watch I'm not gonna lie it was not
like super excited to watch it for somebody who's spent so much time in one's life reading about Ted Bundy I
thought oh here's another Bundy thing and some of the ones that have been done in the past there's been at least one
maybe two Bundy movies let's say before those were not good but those didn't have those were those were not good yeah
though those didn't have like much of a budget you know where this you could tell they had they had a lot of time and
a lot of money to spend on it and who was the guy that played the judge cuz I can't think of his mouth Oh John
Malkovich and he's fantastic he's on a judge another five out of five bollocky yes absolutely in Sheldon whoever that
guy is five out of five bottle caps I think he was extremely believable as a prosecutor and I like the way he decided
to portray the character yeah it's kind of a weird thing Jim Parsons is his name
okay amazing actor but because he's so great at Sheldon you're always gonna think of him as Sheldon like Kramer
mm-hm Kramer was so good as Kramer you're like ah you know Kramer but yeah john malkovich 5 out of 5 stars
I thought Jim Parsons 5 out of 5 bottle caps Lily Collins which was the girlfriend the Elizabeth Kendall okay um
Lee's five out of five bottle caps for sure and a lot of people can on the fence
we had hailey Joe Osmond Osmond which was the boyfriend after Ted Bundy what is he the I see dead people kid yeah and
that's the thing is like his face hasn't really changed much so yeah he's gonna look like he's in
his teenage years I mean he's got a young looking face yeah yeah unless they start like unless he gets attacked by a
couple house cats or something he's always gonna have that baby face he you can put the biggest beard on him but I
thought he did it I thought all the actors in general were great I thought the I thought the sixth sense
guy was was very good actually yeah and it took me half the movie to figure out who he was and how where I've seen him
before because we're talking about you know he played that role as a little boy and now he's he's a full-grown man with
a beard except for his face except for his baby face so well what was interesting about this was it was
released to some select theaters the original release was at Sundance but it was released in a couple select theatres
so very interesting there because most of the time something goes to Netflix that's where it's at well and this is is
this a Netflix original yes okay so but the fact that they put it out at a couple box offices so it did make a
hundred and some thousand dollars at the box office but I think they just did that because I don't really know why but
I think it's kind of cool that you could go watch it in theaters if you wanted to
hmm and and and why not make if you're a big true crime family not make a night of it go out get some popcorn and I
thought the movie overall was you know pretty good I was rating it for a while three out of
five bottle caps as what I was given it and the more I talk about it and the more I think about it and the
performance the ending was so good parts of the movie I think lacked but the end
of the movie to me was so good that I'm like yeah three point five out of five bottle caps is probably what I give it
but I think over time this is going to be a movie that people talk about and over time people will think wow this was
a lot better than I thought well these types of movies and I don't just mean like a true story
you know where you're you're really just going off of a true story I don't mean that I mean the serial killer type true
stories right they're hard to do in my opinion I beat one not only because you know the general outcome of everything
that's going to happen or take place or where it's going to lead by the end of the movie right but your main character
typically you know here was Ted Bundy and he's not somebody that I like at all ever
have and you're watching this person who you know is a horrible horrible individual doing normal day every guy
every day stuff right and I think that makes it tough to to tell the story but for me personally it's it's a little
different than it's actually quite different than watching like a slasher type film you know because in this
situation you're watching a guy do everyday normal stuff but you know on the inside that's who he actually is is
a slasher right so but it's tough here though too because you can be fascinated by certain serial killers you know a lot
of people are fascinated by bundy has never been in my top three serial killers that was fascinated by but he is
fascinating and but this is also based off of the phantom prints my life with ted bundy right elizabeth Kendall and so
I think that's where some people have an issue with the the film is you don't see
him commit any of these crimes you don't really they kind of make it blurry did he commit these crimes is he
innocent but in the reality of things and in Elizabeth's reality she was she didn't know so now he's on trial and
when he became on trial I think the trial was really important for her because if other people found him guilty
then she won it fill the burden and I think she could live with that and then move on so it is a very
interesting take on it like I said I think Zac Effron did a great job and and and also John Malkovich was amazing but
he I mean John Malkovich is character which was what's so cool is at the end I'm not gonna give anything away but at
the end they do show reel clips cuz some of this the trial was televised mm-hm and so the extremely wicked
shockingly evil and vile that comes right from lines that the actual judge said to Ted Bundy
during the trial so yeah and Lake Sammamish right right when they brought that up I was like oh yeah that weird
Sammamish and we covered obviously the three the trilogy we did three parts on Ted Bundy so if anybody wants to listen
back to those that can yeah the the only part I didn't care for that I didn't think held up to the truth very well was
the disco or the nightclub when he's in in Florida because the the way that they
portrayed it was he was still happy-go-lucky he was partying it up he was flirting with women and enticing
women and they were they were dancing with him and talking with him and from what everything I've ever read regarding
that portion of his serial killing career if you want to call it that right is that's not who he was at that time
that he had he had spiraled completely out of control by that time and so much to the point
that people that were there that night they said you could you could tell there was something off with this dude and
girls wouldn't talk to him that night women wouldn't talk to him that yeah and so much because keep in mind too he goes
to a college campus area and he's going to go to this area that's go and party with these young women that are you know
college age or early 20s but by this time he's my older than that because he's moved his
way across the United States escaped from prison twice and by then he would have been I maybe early 30s or something
so it was a combination of he didn't look the part for that bar that that nightclub right that nobody really
wanted to talk to him but it was also that he some people said you know how like with some of these individuals you
can it's weird because some of these people I really feel like as they get older they really start to like the evil
that's inside of them seeps out into their appearance at some point mm-hmm and that's what a lot of people kind of
said about Ted Bundy by that point that he was there was something about him that was off and the whole reason why he
went into the to the sorority was because he couldn't get a woman there that night that that was his intention
to find a victim somebody that would be willing to go home with him or get in his car and they would be the victim in
it and he couldn't control his murderous rage and addiction so much so that he had to find a victim when there was
nobody that was willing to go with him because remember he used to use the a lot of ruses and a lot of you know some
of his charm to just get women to go with him somewhere right and I the other problem I had with it was Zac Efron as
Ted Bundy's walking down the street and all the girls are turning their heads and I think that's just a
mischaracterization of what happened I think was Ted an ugly guy no he wasn't ugly he wasn't hideous but he used his
charm and his ability to use a there's a conman yeah his lying skills were amazing so
once you get inside that you know and that that's what's different you know a lot of times men are so visual and so
drawn by outward appearances that you know once they start talking to her a girl at a bar that's not might that
might not draw them in more but women are well he's decent looking or he's somewhat attractive then they start
talking than the personality the charm comes out that makes him a more charming individual more likely to go home with
that guy and so I just think that like there was a scene where he had to go to the library to study in every girl he
walked past they're just kind of like googoo gaga eyes over him and it's like that just didn't happen in reality
I'm and I also think too once the trial hit the television screen that pretty much anybody that was on TV back in the
day was a celebrity so therefore he became a celebrity but even like Charles Manson which looks like a hideous little
rat had people going oh my god he's so attractive because they hid that TV screen and now they become a celebrity
well and for some reason some reason that I will never understand sometimes and it happens with men too but we were
less aware of it but sometimes women become attracted to these horrible individuals that are on trial yeah and I
mean Scott Peterson and turtle face there's there's a list of there's a long list of that scenario and like I said
men have done it as well with some of these trials I don't know that you see what I would encode a Chanel quotes say
the groupies but yeah but I think some of that this is gonna sound strange but I think some of that is because that
person is safe I mean just one they're behind bars but they're safe because they're at a distance they can
communicate with somebody that they think they know and really the communication is just kind of a
time-waster or time filler for the person that doesn't want to go out into the real world and try to discover
somebody new a lot of times you find out that somebody went through a very difficult divorce or a very difficult
breakup or even their partner passed away and then they became infected with one of these killers and I think that's
because they're using as a mech mechanism to build some walls and so hey I can talk
to this person that I can never meet because they're behind behind bars so Google users give it a 88% IMDB gives it
a 6 point 7 out of 10 the critics give it a 52 which is pretty low and on Rotten Tomatoes which I believe is the
Critics Choice or the critics score is 57 so critics not too good on this movie it
seems like people that watch it are a little higher like I said I'll go 3 point 5 but ask me again in a year and I
bet money I'll say a 4 out of 5 and what we what one what what score would you give it I think I'm right there with you
I thought it was really good it's definitely worth watching it was better than I had expected and not be I think I
had low expectations because I did have a couple people tell me that they didn't
think it was very good it's under two hours I definitely think it's worth the watch oh yeah
yeah you know for the true crime buffs out there it's it's a very entertaining movie and it's an interesting take the
the the angle that they chose to look at this crime or this monster through well
we could go through a lot of little details but I don't want to give too much away I really think this story
develops and gets better towards the end and one of the best endings of a movie of this genre that I've seen in a long
time but that's I think because they kind of play this whole did he do it did he not do it for a while right alright
so we had a lot of discussion lately on a case we covered then visible man yeah so there were like there's been 55 blog
post regarding the Invisible Man so if you go to the website it's actually broken up into two different posts there
we have one that that's Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man a lot of people post
there as well as the Invisible Man which is right underneath of it a lot of people posting there and wanted to take
some time to address some things here because there were a lot of good questions in discussion regarding this
case and at some point it got there were so many posts it got silly to me I'm like I just got to answer these in
person with with you know with my voice at resident yeah I'm gonna knock on everybody's door and hey can I'll see
you again well I got honey that's your blog post regarding detective Gregg's Lockhart who is the lead guy on this
case now mind you he's working a bazillion other cases at the same time but a lot of cases but but for him I
feel like on a personal level this is a number one this is the one that keeps him up at night this is the one that he
probably spends a lot of his free time what's supposed to be off-duty time right working on this case and he's it's
really interesting that he's chose to go kind of outside of the box a little bit
on this like he is on the cases not just on web sleuths it's there because he put
it there and for a time I he was answering people's questions on there in person in person which is the only way
to do it yeah but so he brought this case to us I do want to address one thing real quick before we get into this
because I actually have probably spoke to Detective Lockhart for I don't know five six seven hours once you factor in
all the the text in actual face-to-face time and phone calls yeah so we had an hour-long show to do we knew a whole
bunch more about this story but we had to leave some things out we had to trim it down so it would fit that hour and
the whole goal with covering it is to one have put put ears on this thing so then we can in turn put eyes on the
pictures that it still exists of this Paul Raymond Herod mm-hmm to figure out who he is but the first thing I do want
to address is there there have been some people that have made the suggestion that
this guy because we pointed out it appears that he's running for his life and also running from law enforcement
and I want to really stress that law enforcement says that same thing as well that's their speculation and their
speculation is that because whatever he is actually running from they feel that he cannot go to law enforcement with to
to try to get protected regarding this so that means that he's broke some laws and yes it's obvious really the only one
that we know of for certain is that he has stolen someone's identity but some people have pointed out that maybe he
might have been in witness protection in the witness protection program and we are actually doing this individual
disservice because if he is running from his life then we are we're putting eyes
on his pictures and maybe identifying who he actually is and where he may be to this day that would be my luck well
but the things that I want to address on that first is because some people have come at it pretty hard and I was going
to read the there was one incredibly rude post but I won't read that I'll come on you you want me to read it yeah
okay let me find it real Oh make me laugh I do have I do have to find it you know sometimes sometimes you the
mean stuff is is not bad okay this is from somebody who will remain anonymous but if you want to see their
name or have their Birnam s who are they're pretending to be you can go to our website and find this post so that's
the post reads the both of you are absolute clunkers sorry but you are anchors yeah clunkers plonkers if
there's even a 1% chance that he is in witness protection well then the idiot duo have put his life in danger
where the idiot do oh by the way yeah if you're following along as you and detective Lockhart I doubt you'll post
this because you seem scared of a negative comment but you guys but really guys give your heads a good
shake it might wake up the last few brain cells you have oh really okay so I do want to point out here that detective
Lockhart brought this case too and has consulted with the FBI first of all right okay so at no point
in his investigation that has lasted about six years has anybody told him stop looking for this guy he's in
witness protection right first of all second of all what's FBI probably wouldn't do pross possibly if that's who
in fact put him in there okay but that would be my guess if somebody was going to put somebody a
witness protection my guess would be the FBI would be a number one the thing here
though is you got to use some damn common sense in this this is the age that we live in it well maybe this guy
should shake his head well this this is the age that we live and I think that sometimes we get ourselves into trouble
because there is a phone there is a device on us 24/7 and when we hear something or read something sometimes we
feel compelled impulsively compelled to immediately put our thoughts out there and first of all I can't stand when
people come forward with a really aggressive opinion and this doesn't have anything to do with our website or our
blog it's more so just life in general somebody comes up with a real they're like here's my point
this is what I think and boom I'm gonna be aggressive and rude about it because I really have no other information to
actually offer in this situation so I'm just going to be rude well I got to point out in defense of this guy though
or girl whoever's being captain rude pants right and defense of them if we would have been more clear that that
Detective Lockhart did talk to the FBI did talk with other law agencies and we believe that this guy is not a part of a
witness protection program then I see what guy probably wouldn't not made that comment I see what I see your point and
that's a good point however the issues that I have with it is one a detective brought us this case so to to
to shake us down is giving no credibility to us or to detective Lockhart either right and so we got
involved because we want to help with cases and we we took this one on and I think that we might get some this thing
might get some legs because of our show at least I'm hoping so but I just say use some common sense before we pull the
trigger and I've been guilty of it too we're all guilty of posting something stupid or I probably posted something
stupid in this actual thread here that we're discussing today yeah speak for yourself though but I think it is
something that we all can fall victim to in a way because there is a device on us
right there and then when we have these this is a nonsense thought I mean here's
the other thing think about this for a second whoever put this guy let's pretend that
he went into witness protection so the agency that put him into witness protection decided that the best way for
us to protect you and to give you a new identity is for us to steal an actual identity of a dead child and that's
gonna be who you become I make any damn sense they give you a fake identity they
give you one that has never existed because that is your look that is your link for getting busted in the future is
somebody going you can't be Paul Raymond Herod Paul Raymond Herod died in 1947 and you know you can't use somebody's
all their information under your assumed or you're given identity because that's
how that's the trail to getting you caught so that's not how those agencies operate first right but you're also
assuming that the agency would have gave him a name of a dead child where you know the he could be a part of the
witness protection program then wanted it out of that and then stole that name and and that's a leap that's gotta be a
big leap it's a leap right I'm not saying that the agency gave them the identity of a
dead shot I'm saying that according to this person who posted that's the assumption they're making and what I'm
trying to clear up is that is not how they would do that that's not how they would go about their business and the
the other thing that I take a little bit of umbrage with is the the line if there is even a 1%
chance that he was in witness protection well you put a really low number on that
1% chance let's think about that too for a second because we've covered a lot of
missing-persons cases so if at any time we think that there is even a hint a hint of a chance that they could have
been moved for witness protection purposes we shouldn't cover it that be every missing person right we would
eliminate every one of our missing person case right because you'd have to say that there is a possibility right so
this person maybe they just don't like missing persons cases which if you don't that's that's fair that's fine yeah and
again you know I don't want to prop up this guy too much or girl too much but again maybe they just didn't like this
episode we're having a bad day posted something that they wish they didn't post so well they can feel free
to apologize at the website okay so I don't apologize don't worry about mmm right it's it's it's nonsense to be
verbally aggressive to two people everybody has bad days speak for yourself so I'll speaking for others because it's
not you know I have great days every day is great I do want to answer some of the
questions so we can kind of clear some things up and I and maybe this isn't the best
platform for it because I know that the Big Show is is where most of the listeners are but we we have other cases
we have to get to so this is the platform that we're going to use so somebody commented on the situation of
working at a nursing home with the the detective speculation that may be he gained the knowledge and gained
the information necessary by working at Skippy's father's nursing home right and
they they asked could it be true how could he couldn't beat I'm sorry I'm wrong posed to you they want to know if
it would be that easy to steal a new identity and just with that that simple situation and what I can clear up here
is this this is actually a fairly common thing especially back in the day when somebody was trying to assume an
identity and run from something a lot of times not necessarily regarding a nursing home or knowing a parent of the
individual of the identity that you're going to steal but a lot of times back in the day people would go to a
graveyard and actually look for a headstone of a child that had passed away that would roughly be about the
same age as them if that child had continued to live right and the reason why they do that and seek out children
is because a lot of times especially with a young child a social security number has not been issued to them yet
so technically all you would need and this is all that this Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man this is all he needed
and this is exactly what he did back then he got enough information so he could secure a reprint or replica of the
birth certificate for the actual Paul Raymond Herod for Skippy so once he has that information and has that piece of
paper he can now use that to go and get a second form of identification something that will have his picture on
it so this would be something as simple as a driver's license or state identification card any number of things
then he's now going to use that birth certificate in that second form of ID and he's going to use that with the
Social Security office so he can get issued a social security number that has never been issued for
that individual yet and we know that from what detective Lockhart has told me that this form was filled out and sent
via mail and he received a social security number back in the mail and once he had that he had that 1987 at
some point he starts using that identity so that's how that went down yeah I don't know I thought that was a little
bit of a leap as well but when you have nothing to go on and there's so little known I mean heck he's not even reported
missing until six months later you know detective lock Lockhart has his hands full and tied with this case well that's
where you would get a paper trail and that that's an interesting that's an interesting look at it I think because
if this individual stole the identity just by simply walking through graveyards and looking at headstones
we'll never know who you can't use that method to find this guy or find out who he actually was right but if you can say
okay well he could have got the same information by actually working at this retirement community well there might be
some kind of paper trail to this individual but again I mean it's it's it's so much heavy lifting for detective
Lockhart because every situation anytime you find something where you think there's a breadcrumb you go okay well
now I don't know what year this guy would have worked there I don't know what name he would have worked under and
on top of that all these years later most of these places don't have those records still available right another
poster wanted to know detective Lockhart stated that most of his information came
from Marla who is the invisible man's wife ex-wife and her sister Kim but he said that it wasn't clear if Kim
provides information or what information that Kim provided so just to clear this
up I think all of the information that he has received from her family is only coming
from those are the two key sources so really everything that he is relating to us came from them I don't know what
information came from Kim and what came from Marla you see where I'm going with that right so that kind of clears that
one up a little bit as well this is a brilliant question and I was shocked in in actually didn't realize that we
didn't get to this in the episode so Amy from Ohio god bless you wants to know oh
wait she put Ohio in the post but says oh she's originally from Indiana okay so she wants to know take what we take back
that god bless you was the co-worker that stood up with the invisible man at his wedding ever interviewed if so what
did they have to say about him okay so this is very interesting this guy that was his best man at his wedding remember
he had no family there he had no friends there but he had somebody that stood in
as the best man that man worked with him there were co-workers but that man was appointed by the pastor by the person
overseeing the wedding because Paul wasn't going to bring anybody with him to the wedding and so the pastor's like
well we need a best man sir would you do it you know him from work so this was not a situation where this guy knew Paul
hardly at all they just happen to work together and he was doing a favor probably more so for Marla or for the
pastor rather than for Paul now this guy was was interviewed and actually identified through Greg Lockhart's hard
work in and out side of the box thinking when he posted the picture online he purposely posted so it was cut so you're
gonna see Paul Raymond Herod and then you're gonna see the guy that stood in as the best man because he knew that if
even if nobody could identify Paul Raymond Herod maybe somebody could identify that best man because Marla
couldn't even remember who it was that's how unattached they were to this individual so they found that guy well
tips of his contacted the Sheriff's Department said hey that's that's a guy in our family tree and so they they went
out and detective Lockhart interviewed this individual the individual couldn't remember the wedding and could not
remember Paul Raymond hair now this guy is I think he's 80 he's up there in age but
it was also such a small thing to him back then that why would he remember it you know it wasn't a memorable thing for
him he didn't really know this guy and it was Lockhart said it was kind of funny because the guy wasn't convinced
that they had found the right guy until Lockhart said well wait I have a picture
of you and the guys like oh holy [ __ ] that is me but yeah I don't know who this guy is and and and I and I believe
that this individual is telling the truth / what what Lockhart has told me yeah but you go man how many weddings
have you been in how many random dudes that you've never met you're the best man in the wedding you think you'd
remember that's kind of a decent story well yeah but like I said this guy's up there in age and this is this this
wedding happened almost 30 years ago yeah and it was probably it was it was a very small affair I mean it might have
been something he was only at for an hour right so great episode guys any chance there is DNA sitting around
somewhere on him did his wife save any of his belongings this is a good question yes she did still have some of
his belongings and what I've been told I don't know what information they have gleaned from that but what I've been
told is that a search warrant was issued and they have confiscated some items from Marla so and that was very recent
so one I don't know that they would need to sharing any of that information with
us and two they may not have any information as it stands now because that's such a recent activity right so
very smart again by Lockhart because Marla like he said sticks her head in the sand just
doesn't do anything doesn't really help with the investigation a whole lot so he
he went out of the way and got a search warrant to confiscate some of those some
of those items has the detective used facial recognition and set up a social media account with the picture also has
the detective got old yearbooks from the possible high schools in Yonkers the first the yearbook question no he's not
received those yearbooks he there's as he pointed out multiple schools he would like to receive yearbooks for about a
10-year time frame from each of those schools again we don't know who this guy was before we don't know his actual age
so that gets difficult you could do this through like classmates.com or something
he has done some of that online and I think I think on one of his vacation times when he's supposed to be off of
work and relaxing and clearing his mind I think at some point he's planning on going to new New York for his vacation
so he can go to those schools in person and see if they will hand over yearbooks
or at least let him look through them while he's there well some high schools will have the whole senior class
pictures like on the walls so he might have to go down all these always and look through all these old pictures then
regarding facial recognition yes that has been done they did that I think early this year like in January or
February where they did facial recognition and one picture did pop up it's an individual that was incarcerated
at the time that the picture was taken so the problem with that is they do look similar but I think the individual that
they found who was locked up I think that there's some things that don't gel with the time line for the Invisible Man
meaning he may have been locked up in elsewhere in another state while the Invisible Man was doing things that we
have documented and no actually occurred you know like his marriage in living for a time in Indiana things
like that were key work history and such yeah well these are all interesting so we got any more yeah there's a few
people that asked about the jacket that the Invisible Man is wearing them one of
the pictures so we only have a few pictures of the Invisible Man button one of them there is a jacket and it has
some type of logo on the you know where there would be like a breast pocket yeah
so that logo from what I've been told is of the chesty I I hope I'm saying that correctly because I I've only been told
that word but I remember Lockhart said that that Paul Raymond haired the guy using that identity worked for HS T's
Delivery Service or a chesties chips they delivered potato chips and filled up vending machines and went to grocery
stores things of that nature that logo on the the jacket is for that chesties place that he worked at and that
whatever that company is if I'm in fact saying it wrong is now defunct they're not they're not around anymore right
right so we've cleared that up here's an interesting one hey guys I did some digging and found that there is a Diana
ray samples that passed away just a couple months ago in Wichita Kansas at the time of her death she was 70 years
old so the right age to have been the ex-wife remember we have Marla who says that he the Invisible Man referenced an
ex-wife that he had been married once before and she remembered the name Diane or Diana ray hmm because of the weird
spelling of Ray are a E and she believed that not knowing when that marriage took
place she believed for whatever reason that it took place in Kansas so this is very interesting and I encourage
everyone that has good information to send it to detective Lockhart if it's something that you think is is a real
breadcrumb that should be investigated this this has been passed on to him I sent this myself to him but for any
other type of discussion any other questions or just thoughts in general on this case you can certainly put that on
the blog and I also recommend everybody go and read that as well because there's
a lot of interesting discussion on here and we have these types of cases every now and then captain we're about once a
month you know we'll get one that really gets people talking yeah you know is either Davis case yeah yeah yeah that
got that got a lot and a lot of the times it's uh it's good to speculate I think it's good brain activity and leads
us down different rabbit holes but maybe the detective would never think of it's kind of like what we
talked about what were some times detectives will go talk to psychics it's not so much that they believe in the
psychic but what do they tell him and does that lead them down a different path hmm that they haven't been looking
into yeah and then also John Douglas the John Douglas show got a lot of people interested a lot of people love that he
came to the garage which he didn't really come to the garage it was I right it was a phone interview I couldn't tell
ya I've had a there were a couple people that said the interview sounds fake in in in a sense it kind of is I mean it's
a real interview that I conducted on my cell phone cuz that's right that's the way that
when when Douglas reached out to the show yeah and I said you know he's [ __ ] John Douglas so I'm like however
you want to do the interview we'll do the interview I'll make it happen I'll get on a magic carpet and fly out there
and hang out with you if you want to do it in person but he said no you know and
we have multiple different techniques that we use for interviewing people that can't be in Columbus Ohio with us for in
an actual face-to-face interview the method he was most comfortable with which is the most difficult for us
putting together the show is he said just call me here's my phone number just call me on my land lockdown and Douglas
was so I mean he's such a nice guy he was really nice to me during the course of the interview so wasn't as nice to me
the reason why I wasn't that episode is we said hey mr. Douglas he said call me John and I go okay jack
he said I said John goddamn it and then he hung up the phone alright that's not true but so if if it
sounds to anybody like it's fake well it's because we we take his his parts from the the phone interview and we
really do a lot the captain does a lot of work to clean up my part so you don't hear this you don't hear this fanboy on
the phone with a with a bad connection talking to on also Don Douglas your ear will get tired of one Tambor so the
timbre of John talking on the phone what your ears get a little tired of that by
having instead of using the audio that we have from Nick in the phone call we just have him Reese a it so it's it's
exactly what he said on the phone it's just now coming through with high quality mic quality hmm and so then your
ear gets less tired of hearing the phone tambour well and in john ii doesn't necessarily hang on my words to get to
his answer and i think people got that vibe listening to the show hit this dude like i feel like his brain has just
absorbed so much information in these cases over the years yeah that it's like when you ask him a question
it's like winding up a like a toy that's just gonna go bonkers as soon as you hit
the start button you know he's he's just like the words can't get out of his mouth fast enough and he's probably in a
lot of that's probably because he's recalling from multiple things face-to-face interviews police reports
autopsy reports you know previous interrogations that he's read through the transcripts the court proceedings
he's pulling information from so many different boxes all at once that i i think he gets a little caught up in in
the words at times but yeah but it's similar to when we meet people that listen this show and they want to talk
to us about the show and that's also going to be about cases and then it well let's talk a little bit about this
case and a little bit about this case and if those cases are familiar in your brain then it seems as almost as if
you're all over the place right right but because I've had so many times where where somebody will be like wow you know
a ton of stuff and you're like planets because we we covered the case and we and we produced an episode and so all
those things kind of stick with you once somebody brings back up a case it might
take a minute oh yeah where was that case oh yeah yeah yeah what was the date oh yeah yeah and then also it's like go
boom boom boom boom and your brain is just exploding and one final one here captain cuz I love this one this is a
great great question great observation is was and on a negative 1 so the dipster dipster I think that the dipster
says couldn't help but notice John Douglas said that he thinks the family had nothing to do with the Jon Benet
Ramsey murder yeah very interesting it's not often someone close to a case will claim that is there anywhere he
elaborates on this further so and I posted a response to that one he has a book called the cases that haunt us and
it's it's it's a collection of different cases some that he was very close to and
some that he's just looked into from afar but it's a fascinating book because a lot of the cases that are in there if
not all of them are all cases that are pretty well known to not just true crime but the people but the general public as
well and so he I if I'm recalling correctly I believe he has a whole chapter in there on the Jon Benet Ramsey
case and his thoughts and he actually met the father he actually met John Ramsey yeah I have not read that book
yet but that's one I should put on my list Mike my caveat there where I I you know
big fan of John Douglas I respect him immensely my my caveat there is the things he says about the the Ramsey case
is is very fascinating and yes he definitely has some much-needed insider information
that I'm glad got tossed out there in the public through his book but my only caveat there is just keep in mind that
he was not the only retired FBI agent that was asked to be hired by the Ramsey family right there were other
individuals that turned it down now that's that doesn't mean that the John Douglas is wrong because obviously we
don't know the truth well you can be hired by somebody and and and believe that they're guilty well any he does say
in the he does say in the book that you know I told John Ramsey to his fate or told him on the phone
yeah I'll I have reservations about going out there and meeting with you because of where I think the case stands
but also I want to let you know just because you're hiring me doesn't mean that I'm going to be on your side right
you know so you can hire me but I want to warn you that you might not like my findings very somewhere with a Courtney
Love in the Kurt Cobain case mm-hmm hiring a private investigator and him telling her hey just because you pay me
doesn't mean I'm not gonna follow the evidence so but interesting to hear that because as I go back and forth on the
Jon Benet Ramsey case to have an expert opinion even though like I said I haven't read the chapter yet he kind of
nonchalantly says hey they were revitalized and and that he didn't believe that had anything to do with the
murder [Applause]

Off The Record /// Episode #55

Brief Summary

The episode reviews "Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile," focusing on performances, accuracy, and its reception among audiences and critics.

Key points

Zac Efron's Performance. Zac Efron delivers a standout performance in the Ted Bundy film, earning a 5 out of 5.
Star-Studded Cast. The film features a surprising number of big-name actors, enhancing its appeal.
Mixed Reviews. Critics are divided on the film, with a low score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Interesting Take on True Crime. The film offers a unique perspective on the life of Ted Bundy.
The Ending's Impact. The film's ending is praised as one of the best in the genre.
The Invisible Man's Identity Theft. Exploring how identities can be stolen through graveyards and old records.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The ending was so good that I'm like, yeah, three point five out of five.

Final thoughts on the movie's rating after reflection.

6:44WatchMay 13, 2019

Tension

40/ 100Low tension

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