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All right, I got a guy on the phone from Colorado. Claims he's been killing prostitutes, and he's wondering why he's
doing it. Oh god. So, maybe uh he he thinks I have an answer. Is this Ed? Ed? No, this isn't Ed. Oh. You haven't
killed any prostitutes? No, I never said my name was Ed. Oh. Sorry. That's okay. What's your What name do
you use? You can call me Clay. Clay? Clay? Yes, Clay. Okay, Clay. So, what happened? How many
prostitutes have you killed? 12. And you're wondering why you do it? I have a pretty good idea. Why? Did your
mom beat you? Did your mom spank you? Did Was your mom a prostitute? No. Actually, nothing like that. What is it
then? Think I just do it for the sense of the power. Right. Do you have sex with them first?
Yes, and And then what? You strangle them? Once. How else do you kill them? Well, a few times. Actually, most times
with a hammer. Hm. And where do you do this primarily? Uh I've done it twice in a parking garage.
And then the rest of the times on the side of the road. And uh you're from the New Orleans area?
Yes. Hm. And how I mean, what do you You beat them to death with a hammer? Uh usually it takes once and it's Dude,
you got to have a lot of anger in you. Yes. And that means you're heartless. Do you kill small animals?
No. I've killed a rat. Yeah. Dude, you're a serial killer. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And you get away with it, I guess,
cuz they're hookers and so far nobody What? Is this Howard? Yeah. Hello? Hello? I didn't know this was Howard. Yeah,
it's Howard. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've never killed a kitten. Huh. So, how old were were you when you
killed your first woman? 16. And uh you must be a powerful kind of guy, big guy.
Uh I wasn't then. Right. And uh when you killed your first one, did you go in there knowing you were going to kill her
or did it sort of happen? I I knew I had I had I really had it planned out. Hm. You know, I wanted to
do the whole sending clues. Right. Oh, yeah. Are you in the baffle people, but it turned out no one noticed for a
long time. Right. Like what Like you killed her on the side of the road? Uh her that was the parking garage.
Okay. And then what you do with the body? You dump that somewhere? Um Yeah, actually. I think uh she's
probably one of the ones that they found. Yeah. But let me ask you something. You were sending clues that
you were going to do this? No, I was I was going to like doing that. He was going to leave like a note for the
newspapers and you know Uh but you decided not to. Yeah, he didn't want to be famous or draw
attention to himself. But my problem is you didn't That's what I wanted to do. But Oh, but you did but
no one noticed the clues. I No, I never sent the clues. I never left anything. You know, I wanted to
have my own little signature. Right. I wanted to thumb paint with their thumbs. Oh, really?
What do you want to do? Thumb paint with their thumbs. Thumb paint what though? I
don't know. Oh, anything. It It was in a comic book a couple years ago. It just seemed like a good idea. Like you take
the girl you killed, you you dip her thumbs in paint and then you do like a thumb painting? Yes. On a piece of
paper? Yeah. Hm. Now, when you After you kill somebody, do you play with the body?
Um Actually, the closest I've ever done to that is I always make sure I pay them
and I make sure they keep their money. Oh, really? When they're still alive but uh
with one of them I did put the money in a compromising place. I see. But that was this one you know, it it had a
penis. Oh, really? It was a guy? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know at first. So, do you you
ever get Do you think the reason you're so angry is because you were abused or something?
No, I wasn't abused, Howard. Where's your family? You got a wife? I mean, you got a mom, a
dad, a wife, children? You got any of that? I've got a couple of kids but um I no wife. Not married to the mother. Mhm.
You're a white guy? Uh yeah. Well, that's pretty funny because the only suspect they had when
they started finding the bodies was a black police officer. Turns out one of them uh
was associated with them. Oh, really? Yeah. Are you on drugs? Uh I've done acid a few times. Mhm. So so
but nothing heavy. So if you killed after you killed the first 60-year-old, like uh you you finish you you finish
was 16. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. All right. So you finish with your uh sexual
gratification and then you Not always, no. Not always. You don't even want to get laid
sometimes. No, I just You just want to kill. Uh I'm just bored. Right. But does the killing sexually satisfy
you in some way? I can't believe that McMahon's not laughing. I've I've I've I've I've eaten off thinking about it
later. Yeah. What do you say? He's He's pleasured himself thinking about it later. Oh, he has. Okay. Now how far
apart are these murders? Like do you murder and then like you feel satisfied for a while? Um
I don't even understand why I do it, Howard. I don't know if if I ever get any satisfaction.
Mhm. But how how often were uh the same night. Really? You killed two people in the same night? Yeah, but I
went to Mississippi for the second one. Mhm. Mhm. So there's no pattern to how many
weeks or days between murders? No. Are these mostly white chicks or black chicks?
Uh kind of a fair number of them have been black. The uh transvestite was black. Is there
some racial motivation here? No, Howard. They were just uh let's just say in Jimmy Swaggertown.
Mhm. Jimmy Swaggertown. Don't know what that means. Me neither, but Uh that's that's pretty much the
area around here where the prostitutes all hang out. I see. And it's just whoever comes up to you.
You don't pick a certain type. I don't even approach them. I wait for them to approach me, Robin. It's like
they're asking for it. Do you ever like look into their eyes and go, you know, gee, these these
people were just children at one point and maybe they just had a tough life. I've let a couple go. You have? Like
what happened? You're in the middle of killing them and then they and then they What do they say? Why would you let one
go and kill the other? There was this one. Go ahead. Uh I think she was probably really new to it. Yeah.
I There was just something about her. And maybe she reminded me of my fiance, but Right.
You somehow relate More more of an innocent quality. I just You somehow felt bad for her.
Yeah. Hm. You So, okay. So, you killed your first woman. When was the last time you killed?
It's been a few months. Actually, it's it's been going on a year. Wow. So, what do you think you're going to do? Do you
think you're going to kill yourself? Do you think that uh you think you'll to kill again?
Can you stop this? myself I'd miss the next Batman movie. Right. You don't want to do that. No.
No, but in all seriousness, I mean, do you think that uh you could control this?
Do you think you could stop? I think I have been. Oh, you have been for the last couple of months.
A year he hasn't killed. A year? Yeah. Almost. So, why do you think you stopped killing
all of a sudden? I really don't know, Howard. I just Part of it had to do with my car broke
down. Oh, no transportation. Seriously, that's the reason? Well, that was the reason for a month, but after
that, I guess it was all self-control. Wow. So, you don't want to do this anymore.
No, he wants to do it, but he's controlling himself. Like you want to kill women, right?
Sure. Yeah. And what And do you like it Do you enjoy seeing them struggle as you kill them?
Uh actually, none of them really struggle. Hm. Do you hit them from behind or do they see it coming?
Uh I can't get inside their minds, but I should say I hit them. But I mean, are you facing them?
Yeah. So, you could see their face and everything when you do it. Yeah. Yeah. The worst I've ever gotten was um
one tried to grab my neck. I've never gotten any of the claw marks or anything that are uh
dead giveaways. Right. You must be very powerful. I wouldn't call myself powerful. Maybe
uh intimidating. Why did you use a hammer? Do you think you uh Uh cuz it was in a book I read. Oh. Oh,
everything has come from Cartoons and Yeah. When's the last time you got laid? Uh last week, Howard. Oh, yeah. So, you
didn't kill that girl? No. Cuz she wasn't a hooker. No. Right. It's only hookers, though. A lot of serial killers
are only the hookers cuz they know A, probably won't get caught and B, they have some kind of anger toward hookers.
So, there's no way I'm going to talk you into giving yourself up or anything, right?
No. I shouldn't even waste my time. I know I'm going to get calls after this and people are going to go, "Howard, how
come you didn't catch him?" I know You have Has anybody ever been close to catching you?
No. No. Actually, someone once wrote when it was in the newspaper, someone joked to me, "I know it was you." But uh
well, they were joking. Right. Do you have a lot of tattoos? Uh I don't have any tattoos. I wouldn't
do that to myself. Right. And do you get high before you do this? Uh I've gotten pretty drunk before.
Yeah. Am I the only guy you can Am I the only guy you've ever told about this? Yeah. Hm.
Wow. I just That's sort of an honor. I told a couple of women, Howard, but uh You did?
Yeah. Do you tell them first and then you kill them? Uh yeah. What do you say to them? Let me
All right, let's see. You can run and then you can play the running game if you're out in the middle of nowhere and
we got a lot of middle of nowhere down here. Right. So, in other words, let's say you're with a woman, right? A
hooker. Yeah, Howard. And you say to her uh okay, honey. You know, you just had sex
and everything. What do you say to her to torment her? How do you break the news to her that
she's going to die? I It really depends on my uh mood. Just give us an example. Well, if I wanted to, I could just say
Baba Booey, but that would be pretty uh No, come on, be serious. What do you say
to him? I I can say you're going to die. And then what do they do? I like to articulate a little more than
that. Mhm. Sometimes I ask them uh if they think it's dangerous doing what they're doing, if they're
worried about things, and they'll laugh it off, and that just pisses me off. Right.
And then you go ahead and you kill them. Yeah. Hm. All right. Well, there you go.
Well, you heard it there, folks. In November of 1997, a man calling himself Clay, saying he is the killer of sex
workers, a dozen at that, calling from the New Orleans area to speak with shock jock, legendary DJ
Howard Stern. Calling up, telling Howard Stern that he believes that he got into killing women
for fame and notoriety, and later he now believes that he does it simply for power and control.
And this is a call that has been an interesting one. Obviously, this is an older call, but one that really sparked
a lot of renewed interest just earlier this year. In fact, in the fall of 2021. And I don't know why all of a sudden,
here, Captain, this pops up on the radar, something that everybody's really interested in
all, you know, all these years later. But, one guess that I have is anybody that listens to Howard or is the proud
listener of Sirius XM knows that Howard has two whole channels devoted to him and the shenanigans of his staff and
crew. And the Howard Station 101, which is arguably one of my favorite stations on
Sirius XM, plays a lot of the best of or Sternthology or, you know, the older shows. Interestingly enough,
here Captain, I remember roughly around August or September of this year, they played this call again. They played
the entire segment, which I believe was multiple callers in this clay killer of women was only one of maybe three
callers during a maybe a 20-minute segment. And but it's by far the most intriguing
of those three calls and absolutely one of the most intriguing calls that Howard
has received in his very lengthy career. Well, and just to get this right because I'm I'm not an
avid Howard Stern listener. I think he does great interviews. I think he's obviously evolving throughout the years
and this was 20-some years ago. I think you can tell from this interview uh Howard's kind of listening.
Like where I think Howard has become a better listener when he's doing interviews now than
Yeah, and obviously it's just a caller calling in, but you can tell there's a couple times
where the he has the caller has to correct Howard cuz he's not really fully engaged
in the call. But so what I'm guessing is that they'd have a call-in section and that section would be normally about
20-some minutes long. And then if one call is kind of boring, you cut them off at a
couple minutes, but this one was pretty intriguing, so it last almost 11 minutes long. Yeah, and I think what you
have there and as someone who's listened to Howard for quite some time, this is actually
typical Howard to me. Like and I think it's not because he's not trying to listen, I
think he's quarterbacking a lot of stuff that's going on that we don't see because all we're hearing is the audio.
And one thing that I know that he does from time to time cuz he spoke about it on the radio is he's like trying to
determine trying to gauge in his own mind is this an interesting caller or not? Because if it's not, boom, I'm
dumping this call. I'm here to put out an interesting show and we'll move on to the next caller.
This is one of those ones where I think he's trying to gauge that but he he sounds like he's
very intrigued by what this guy is saying and in a way almost trying to figure out the guy. Maybe not to the
point of identifying him but at least to the point of trying to gauge if this guy is legit or if he is
genuine in what he is claiming to be because it's not every day that some guy calls up a radio station saying, "Hey,
I've killed a dozen women and I really just called to tell you about it." And I think I mentioned earlier to to
you this year when we're putting together a a schedule list and we'll take the cases and then
map out where we're going to put them on the schedule. My thought was this would
be interesting to hear you dissect this call. You being a Howard Stern listener and you being into true crime, what was
your thoughts and opinions on this call? Surprisingly, it seems like in the last
couple months other people got this same idea to dissect this call and there's a couple
videos and stuff on YouTube where people are doing that. Well, and what's really interesting uh
behind the scenes here in the garage, when you brought it up, I had it on my list and I thought, "Oh, this is
perfect. Thank God he brought it up." Because it's always more exciting to cover something that you're excited
about, but to know that your your partner in crime is excited to cover as well. So, you know that it's going to be
a good interesting conversation even if nobody else hears it, right? But so, I I had said it well,
you know, I heard the call again. It's one that I had heard over the years and I was always very intrigued by the call
and I thought, "You know what? This would be be perfect for something for Off the Record." cuz we're always kind
of looking for true crime, but also kind of off-the-wall topics for Off the Record.
Right. You said to me, you go, "Well, I think it's interesting enough maybe maybe it goes on the regular show." And
then what kind of echoed that idea was we started getting emails from people that were saying, "Hey, have you ever
heard the Howard Stern serial killer phone call? We would love to hear a discussion about
that on the show." So, the listeners asked for it and here we are doing it and this call to me is is incredibly
interesting because I find myself walking the high wire of whether I believe this guy or not, right? I It's a
It's a balancing act and it's not that I want to believe him or it's not that I don't want to believe him. It's a matter
of, well, what side what side of this high wire do I fall off on? Do I fall on the side that this guy's the legit or do
I fall on the side of, well, this is just somebody calling in and looking to hear their voice on their on their
favorite radio show. There's a lot of things that he says along the way that really make me feel like there's there's
some truths here on this call. I don't know that I would ever fully believe 100% that this guy would of the things
that he's saying and I want to make sure that I really kind of explain that thought. One, the thought being
that I don't know that I would fully 100% ever believe a serial killer in their statements or their stories
because we know that one very common theme that is shared by these individuals is they are known liars. And
they're known liars throughout the entirety of their their lives and their criminal careers if you want to call it
that. So, even if you were sitting down with somebody that you knew was legit, Ed Kemper
uh would be one that would come to mind. Somebody that is able to explain and articulate his crimes and some of his
very the devious type behaviors and things that he did throughout time. You know,
he's able to explain those to you and he's able to help you learn from him in ways, but I
also would suspect that I don't know that these guys possess the ability to be 100% truthful at any time.
And they tend to skew and mash the facts when it benefits them. You know, that's
kind of a a common theme with humanity in general, but they certainly do it more often than
most. One thing that is super interesting to me here is that another commonality amongst these types that
we've learned over the years is that they usually like to talk. They usually want to tell somebody some of the things
that they've done. It's almost a way of of bragging. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Normally when you're
hanging out with your buddies and somebody's telling a story and it's like you might have heard the story before
and a couple years later the story has changed a little bit. It's they embellish little parts. It makes the
story better. But I agree with you. I don't know how much you can trust if he is a serial killer,
how much you could trust him anyways. That fish I caught, Captain, was 17 in and it weighed over 2 and 1/2 lb. Yeah.
And then a year later, that same fish, man, that thing was like 22 in. So, 17 ft.
and 3.1 lb. And now it's not the biggest fish that I've ever caught, even though
it's grown since the time that I've caught it, it's now the second or third largest fish
that I've ever caught. So, yeah, I think I think those things happen. Now, in analyzing this call, one thing's a few
things that jump off the I was going to say jump off the page, but maybe jump out the earbuds are
first, he when asked his name, Clay, he comes up with the name relatively quickly. You know what I mean? Like it's
he's not fishing for a name to present. So, that to me that's interesting. And then the
number of victims, he says it very quick very matter-of-factly, "I've killed 12 women."
Well, a couple of things there, I think. One, and we've talked about this before, some
people have when they go into bars with their buddies, they have a alias that they like to use.
Or in this case, I wondered if this individual or maybe other serial killers when they would meet their victim, well,
normally it's like, "Nice to meet you. I'm the captain. What's your name?" So, they'd have that name maybe he's used
Clay in every single murder. That's what I wondered about as well because here's
the biggest problem for serial killers, and I you know, that's a really strange sentence to say and hear,
is that often when they do it on a long enough timeline, there will be one or two victims or survivors that get away.
And usually that is their undoing. That is the unraveling and and what will lead
to their apprehension. Now, we know that serial killers, just like any other industry in life,
kids playing Little League baseball, they study the guys playing Major League baseball and they try to learn from what
works and what from and from what doesn't work for the guys in the bigs so that maybe one day they can make it to
the bigs. So, some of these serial killers and some of the more organized ones at that will typically study
known serial offenders and known serial killers. And they want to know what worked for them and what didn't work for
them and they might try to employ some of those techniques that did work and strongly avoid some of the things that
didn't work or led to their eventual apprehension. Now, with Ted Bundy, one thing that he did, and I think this
shows the arrogance of Bundy, was I don't think he ever thought that any of these women were going to get away
from him. I don't think Bundy ever thought that they would survive Ted Bundy. Once he set his plan into place,
once he made that determination that you were his, he believed it was going to work in his
favor. Right. And so, we know from the time at the the Lake Sammamish and and before that,
the task force was actually referring to, and this is during the Washington state portion of the investigation
looking for the known serial killer. They knew they had a serial killer operating in the area. They didn't know
who it was. But during that portion of the Ted Bundy case, behind the scenes, the task force and
the people working that that case were actually referring to the investigation as the Ted murders. Yet, they had not
identified the person that was committing those murders. Why were they calling the investigation the Ted
murders or the series of murders the Ted murders because on more than one occasion there was a female that got
away or was approached and had some kind of conversation with Ted Bundy in which
he used his real name. You know, that's a common interaction when you first meet
somebody for the first time. Oh, what's your name? My name's Cindy. What's your name? My name is My name is Ted. It
worked for him for a while because a lot of the victims didn't get away. But when
they started looking for possible eyewitnesses and people that did get away they're like, wait a second. This This
person is calling himself Ted. And so they called it the Ted murders, but I don't know that any of the investigators
at the time believed that they thought that the guy would be dumb enough to use his real name. So I like the cut of your
jib here, Captain. I think you might be spot-on where Clay might be a name that he is using when he's picking up a sex
worker. Hey, what's your name, honey? Oh, my name's Clay. Well, what do you want? Uh
How much, you know, you got to negotiate price and and different different things, you know, where where
this is all going to go down. Those are all part of the negotiation process and I would imagine that an exchange of
names and probably both of them fictitious is going down during the course of that
conversation and maybe that's why he's able to to kind of throw out this name, Clay. Obviously, we wouldn't expect him
to be giving his real name or providing his real name to Howard Stern and saying
that he's killed 12 women and they've not figured out that it's me yet. And so maybe this is a name that he's
using to help get the eventual victim into his vehicle. If If your whole goal is to procure a victim and get a victim
or potential victim into your vehicle and we know that his vehicle was a part of his uh his murder
technique. You know, a part of of his scheme and what he was doing because he said, "Hey,
I've stopped for a while and part of the reason why I stopped is my vehicle broke
down. I didn't have, you know, I that that's his lab to work in. That's his That's his mobile lab to try to procure
a victim and then take them where he feels comfortable assaulting and killing them.
And without that vehicle, he's he's lost his playing field, so to speak. So, there has to be some kind of exchange
and you can't have a woman lean into the vehicle and say, "Hey, honey, what's your name?" And you go, "Mhm, I don't
want to tell you my name." Well, that might be off-putting to her and she might not be wanting to get into your
vehicle after that exchange. So, maybe this is a name that he is using during the interaction with these
victims. The number 12 is interesting, too, when he's asked, you know, he says, "I don't know if I can't
remember from the call if Howard asked him how many people he's killed or if he just offers it up." But, the number of
12 seems to come out real quick. Right. Like, he doesn't have to to think about it so much and, you know, the
detectives will often say, "If something is true and something is factual, you don't have to remember it."
Right. You know, you don't have to spend a lot of time trying to remember it. You know
it. You know it to be true. So, that's kind of terrifying when he throws out the number 12 and does so rather
quickly. All right. Cheers to you. Cheers to the people in the back. Cheers to the people
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each and every one of you there. Yeah, and right afterwards we'll be hanging out at the bar doing a meet and
greet. So that's all included in the price. But back to this call. One of the things
that I thought was interesting about this Clay guy is why I kind of find it humorous that he
almost seemed annoyed. Ed. No. I never said Ed. Right. I'm Clay. So, you could kind of almost see his
temperament a little bit. Yeah, so you have that weird interaction there where Howard asks, "Is this Ed?" And he says,
"No." And Howard sounds bummed out and I think that's because it's not uncommon for your You know, they're screening
these calls behind the scenes before the any of them make it onto the radio. So,
it's not uncommon, especially on a show like Howard Stern, where you have hundreds of people trying to call in all
at the same time, where they're screening calls and they're in Howard's one ear. We can't hear it, but they're
saying, "Hey, we got this guy uh Ed. He claims to be a serial killer. He's online six." You know, and then Howard
picks up, "Is this Ed?" No, it's not Ed. Oh, he sounds bummed out because he thinks, "Well, the
the wires got crossed and and now he's got some guy that he doesn't know if it's going to be an interesting call or
not." But very quickly, yeah, the the the caller straightens out the situation by saying, "No, I
Yes, I've killed women, but I never said my name was Ed." thing I thought was kind of humorous is
he doesn't understand that he's talking to Howard. So, that one that makes me think, is he
much of a Howard listener? Because Howard's voice is very distinct. And so then he he's almost I I don't know.
30 seconds to a minute, maybe longer. I'd have to actually look. Where he's like, "Wait, is this Howard?"
And he's like, "Yeah, this is Howard. Who do you think it was?" And then you can hear his breathing almost change.
Like he becomes nervous. And so, that makes me believe, "Okay, well, why would you get nervous that you're actually
talking to Howard?" Would you be nervous because now you feel like you're on the
air? Or if you were a big fan of Howard, then maybe you would, you know, get nervous.
At the last meet up I did, this girl came up to me and we're taking a picture and she was like, "I'm shaking and I
don't know why I'm shaking." I'm like, "Yeah, either do I." So, um so I thought it was
kind of humorous that he he gets mad about the mistaking of the name and then gets nervous once he figures out it's
Howard. Well, sometimes adrenaline kicks in and it's not really up to us when it
does kick in. I think it comes from that part of the brain that doesn't ask for permission. It just decides, boom, here
you go. Now you're like, "Oh crap, I'm shaking." And I if if I had a a choice in the matter, I would choose not to be
shaking. But you're right, and this is one thing that that always surprises me. Yes, one, the caller not recognizing
Howard's voice. Two, they are on the call with Howard and Robin at the same time and he doesn't he seems
to fail to recognize that, but this is in in the defense of the guy claiming to be
a serial killer, uh this is something that I've witnessed dozens and dozens of times on the Howard
Stern Show where somebody somebody's talking for a couple minutes and then they're shocked that they're actually
talking to Howard. I don't know, again, they're screening the calls and I don't know if the person screening the calls
ever tells the caller, "Hey, hold for Howard." or "Okay, you're on next." I think they just take down some
information, tell them they're putting them back on hold, and if Howard picks up, he picks up because
the guy screening the calls or the woman screening the calls can never guarantee
that Howard's going to actually pick up on on any of these people. So, but you're right, there's a change
in his in his speech and in his breathing and it could be from both of those factors that you pointed out.
Maybe maybe kind of a double whammy of oh crap, I am on air, I am live, a little bit of stage fright, and oh, I I
am talking to Howard, and now I'm nervous. The other thing you have to wonder, too, is
this guy doesn't He's not calling in because he wants to get caught. There's other people he could call if he wanted
to turn himself in or to get caught. Yeah. If he is who he says he is, he's calling in to brag about what he's done,
receive some of that fame and notoriety that he is seeking. These are his own words. He
said, "Originally, I think that I got into it because I wanted to be famous or be or be known as a serial killer. And
now I'm coming to realize that I think that I do it, it being killing women, for a sense of power and control." And
so he's not calling in with the idea of oh, I want to give up every detail and every bit of information about myself so
you can catch me. So part of me wonders, too, is there is an added factor to that
nervousness that he's going, "Oh, wait a second. Have I already said too much? I wasn't aware that we would be on the
air." Right. Well, in the last 5 years we've lived a strange life. We're going on a
strange journey because we talk about these cases. Sometimes we bring up individuals and those individuals might
be suspects in a case that we brought up and they make contact with the show and
sometimes it's not even to clear up their name. Maybe they just want to have a discussion with us.
And obviously they're having a discussion with us to clear up their name, but they
they might they might not be upset about how it was reported because for years they've been a part of
the case's story. Mhm. And so every time somebody has reached out to me, I I I always feel like the
obligation one, because we spoke about them, and they have thoughts and opinions on the
case and since they're close to the case, I always feel obligated to to give them the time to
talk with them. But they're also intriguing conversations because there's a part of you that goes this person is a
suspect, maybe not my favorite suspect in the case or or somebody that I lean too heavily in favor of being
the actual murderer or whoever's responsible for the crime. But in those conversations, there's a
part of you that's like, well, maybe they'll slip up. Maybe they'll be talking to me about the
case and just go, you know what? This is just too much and oh, by the way, I did
it. So, I think that's probably playing through Howard's mind. Well, it's interesting that this
guy calls and he's going to tell me all these details. Maybe through the act of talking about the
crimes, I could get him to just And I don't think he leans on that too heavy. Mhm. But I think he definitely I
I at one point he even says, you know, I I have to ask. Because how how how crazy
would of that call turned into if he basically said, oh yeah, okay, well, yeah, this feels good to be
talking about and almost confessing to somebody. And if he was telling Howard the truth
that you're the only person I ever told, there is a chance that that individual then goes, well, this feels good to get
off my chest. Oh, by the way, my real name is the captain. Yeah, well, it's again, it it might be
one of those situations where if this is in fact real, if he is who he says he is, well, then he's calling in because
he's wanted some fame and notoriety for his acts, but he can't he can't just run
out into the streets and say, "I'm the guy you're looking for. I'm the guy that's responsible for all the news
that's hitting the papers and the bodies that they're finding on the side of the
road." And because if so, he's going to they're going to shut him down. He's going to be locked up and he's going to
be forced to stop doing what it is that he seems to like and enjoy doing. And that's taking the
lives of of these women. 12 specifically is what he says, and of course there's a
lot of other crimes and horrible things that go on leading up to the murders themselves.
And that's probably all of a all of it for him, too. A driving factor for him as well.
This is from a book that we've been talking about a little bit here in the garage as of late called a killer by
design, and this is by the great Ann Burgess. And one thing that she's talking about in throughout this book is
how much these types usually, and we got to we got to make sure we we say that correctly. Usually like to talk and like
to explain what it is that they are guilty of. She's talking about a case where this is
the ski mask rapist. And after he was caught, she goes on to say his desire to take ownership of his crimes and his
habit of bragging about what he had done as a way of defining who he is. His desire to impress others by violent
means was deeply disturbing, of course, but it also came with an upside for our criminal personality study as a whole.
Simonis, that's the the man identified as the ski mask killer, or sorry, ski mask rapist. Simonis wanted to talk.
He wanted others to step inside his head so he could relive his most violent episodes and share them with an
audience, forcing others to witness the rawness of the details was a fundamental
part of how his mind worked. And so, that kind of backs up a lot of the idea, well, if this guy is in fact who he says
he is, why would he go out of his way if he doesn't want to get caught to go on I mean, 1997, this is almost national
radio. I mean, by this point Howard Stern is still on terrestrial radio, but it's
he's syndicated throughout the country and in many different states, especially in some of the major cities.
And so, why would he want to risk right? Because that's what he's doing. He's If he is who he says he is, his
risk of getting caught, that number just went really way up because of this action. It's risky
behavior to call in and announce to Howard and and anybody that's listening who you are and what you've been up to.
And Well, and I also don't think he's sitting there being that calculated on the information he's giving.
There he's It's not like he's has There's hesitation or that he's There's these long pauses
before he starts answering stuff. Some of the stuff is coming out of his mouth real quickly.
And that's what's disturbing to me because that's where I lean on the side that this guy's telling the truth.
Because he's he's not struggling to come up with an answer because he's He doesn't know what the questions are
going to be before he calls in. So, it's not like he can script all of his answers. He does a a pretty good job,
too, of not giving a great physical description of himself even though you can tell at times Howard is kind of
trying to bait him a little bit. You said bait. And maybe get some information from him.
So, but this is what You said it's what, about a 10-minute phone call? Yeah. So, over the course of a 10-minute
conversation that we listen into really the only physical description that he offers up about himself is that he's a
white male with no tattoos. Even so much so that when Howard says like, "Oh, well, you must be like a big
powerful big strong person." And what a slick answer that Clay offers up. He says, "Well, I wasn't back then."
Well, that that's not even a real answer. That's not a yes, I am a big strong huge person or I'm a meek little
individual. That's uh an extremely vague answer of, "Well, I wasn't back then." Right. Meaning he could still be
not big. Exactly. And again, define what is big. It's not really defined when he's asked
to give an answer. So, he really offers up no physical description of himself other than to say he has no tattoos. No
tattoos is a direct reply to Howard on a specific question that is thrown out there and that he's a
a white male. I did the same thing with this call that I did with the Brandon Lawson 911 tape. Listen to it one time.
Okay. Listen to it again. And then immediately it was like, "Okay, let me get a pad of paper
and start dissecting it." I mean, it it felt like the same feeling. And like I said, you see that he's
perturbed cuz you call him Ed, doesn't understand that it's Howard, find that interesting right away.
And also he mentions two at least two comic book references. He talks about, "Well, I saw this thing in a comic book
where the killer was painting with the victim's thumbs." And then he he said something like, "Well, I don't want to
turn myself in because I'd miss the next Batman movie." Mhm. So, two comic book references. And then also like you said,
where he goes, "Oh, well, no, no, I'm a white male. You you any tattoos? No, I wouldn't do
that to myself. Even though that the answer came out so quickly, it could be Look, when you have a lot of
tattoos, people will ask about them. And somebody sometimes you'll hear the reply, "Yeah, I I'm too scared to do
that or I don't know what I'd put on myself or I wouldn't do that to myself." So, it could be just a ruse. "Oh, yeah,
do you have any tattoos? Nah, don't have any tattoos. I wouldn't do that to myself."
And and kind of a joking answer to himself. Well, one thing that I find really interesting is his where he does
struggle to give an answer is when he's asked if he does drugs. And he he hesitates on his answer and he
throws something out there like, "Well, I did acid when I was a teenager." Something like he gives some answer
that's not really a direct answer to the question that that was just delivered by
Stern. And one thing to me that that I really I really focused in on that because
when we talk about offering up no real description of himself, well, if he says, "Yes, I'm a drug user." or or goes
into specifics about the types of drugs that he uses, well, these guys that kill
five, six, seven, 10, 12 people, they usually have other crimes that they've committed throughout the course of their
lifetime. And so, that creates a police record. The police have a record of those convictions.
He's on file. And so, he doesn't want to offer up That would be one thing that he really
wouldn't want to offer up besides a physical description of himself because he could be he could be in a database
somewhere. You know, I I need somebody that I know has been in the area for this period of a from this year to to
the current year. Remember this was November of 1997 of the phone call. I need somebody that has has previous drug
convictions. We know that he had a driver's license at one point because he says his car broke down and that was a
factor in why he he briefly stopped killing for a while. So there's some things that you can start to piece
together if you really wanted to track this down. Now, he he says he's calling from the New
Orleans area. One thing that would have been really interesting to know, and that this is a call as startling as
it is, Captain, this is a call that's not referenced on the show. I I I don't know that it's ever been
referenced again on on the show. One that I could find, but I I'm a regular listener. I don't listen to every single
day or every single minute of the show, obviously, but uh Well, the information I found about this call is
supposedly the call happened and they've never discussed it ever since. They didn't even supposedly discuss it on the
next segment. Hey, remember that guy that just called us? What do you think? It's almost like they had the
conversation and they just moved on. And and look, for all we know, law enforcement was listening. Maybe
they even got contacted by law enforcement. You know, hey, do you have uh screeners? Can you tell us what
number this guy's calling from? And maybe they were told legally just not to talk about it.
Mhm. Well, and that's one thing I wondered like and it was never mentioned, was it
in fact a New Orleans area code? I would have loved if if Gary would have chimed
in or whoever was screening the calls would have chimed in to let us know that at least the guy's calling from the area
that he says he's calling from. Well, I actually believe that's correct because when he says
Howard is the one that says New Orleans. Oh. And and and you can tell that he's a
little startled by the fact that they know that. Yeah, he's a little off-put that that's
thrown out there right away. Yeah, and I and I have always found that to be a little suspicious where he's going he's
talking and they're like, "Okay, yeah, you're calling from New Orleans." And he's like, "Yeah." It's almost like he
knows that might have been information that Clay didn't want to give out. Well, and we can say this that there was
an active serial killer in New Orleans in the early '90s. And the one of the more extensive
articles and information that I could find out there says that it could be up to 26 victims. And this would be through
the course of looks like 1991 to about 1996. Now, the only the only thing that I throw in there
in regard to this call is that the last victim that they have listed here, the 26th victim, was found
in April of 1996. And Clay says that he he says that he hasn't killed in almost a year. And this
call's taking place in November of 1997. Now, let's circle back around to something else though. When he is
talking about how he killed some of his victims, he says a a hammer is one of them, strangulation was was at least one
of them. And I believe he says that most of the victims he killed with a hammer and he
strangled one of them. And he also says something about the strangled victim saying, "Well, that's
probably one of the ones that they found." So, just because we don't have any victims found
after April of 1996 or or information pointing us in that direction, doesn't mean that the call's not legit, right?
It doesn't mean that the call isn't legit because maybe they just haven't found his more recent victim or victims.
Well, like you said, he hesitates on when he says, you know, are you on drugs? And he hesitates, and I wonder if
that's he then follows up saying, you know, well, you know, maybe I'd be drinking when I'd
commit these crimes. You wonder what how much is this guy drinking? And then is he drinking and
then once he has enough beers that he's also doing some other drug? And is it possible that he just doesn't remember
some of the murders? Yeah, that's certainly a a possibility here. Um I would I would guess that the the
individual might not be so sloppy drunk that I mean, if if he if what he's saying is true, he's been able
to pull this off 12 times without getting caught. Yeah. And he he seems to believe that he's so far off their radar
that he can call into a uh a national radio show and tell tell everybody what he's been up to. Yeah, I
thought that too, but um with the drinking thing, you know, yes, cuz I I would I would assume that
these killers would have this urge. The urge is growing. Now they know that uh I I have to start planning. I think
they start working out this this puzzle in their in their brain, but I'd also think that individuals that had these
urges, if they were an avid drinker, that once they got enough booze into their system,
that maybe they wouldn't be able to control their their um impulses. Well, yeah, I mean, often times they
will they will do something to loosen themselves up to build up the courage to cuz a lot of times these are fantasies
that these individuals have and they've kept it their entire lives, and they want to act
out these fantasies. They have just never had the the guts to do it. Yeah. And as as dumb
and sick as that sounds, that's that's the truth. They've they've never been able to build up the confidence or the
bravery or whatever you want to call it to to act on these fantasies. Now, one thing that I found interesting though,
too, is he doesn't shy away from the fact that one of his 12 victims was a a cross-dresser.
That, you know, he come to discover later during the attack or what have you, Right.
he learns that what he thought was a female victim is now a male victim. And the thing that's interesting to me
about that, Captain, is in this the list that I was able to find of the 26 victims from 1991 to 1996
in I'm sorry, 1990 yeah, April 1996 in and around the New Orleans area. And unfortunately, they, with very broad
strokes, they paint the the a picture here in the title of what the list is, saying that
these these 26 individuals were all uh you know, sex workers or prostitutes. And I don't think I've seen some
information come out from family members of some of the the persons that have been identified that are on this list
saying, you know, they weren't a sex worker. They're being lumped in in this group. But what have you, what we know
here is that I don't think that it's the same perpetrator that carried out all 26
of these murders. I I don't believe that at all. I believe we're probably looking
at three, maybe four, possibly more because a couple of these could be just one-offs where where
somebody killed just one person, and they've never killed anybody else ever again, and it just happened to take
place during this same time period, and so they're getting kind of lumped all together here.
Uh, but within this list of 26, there are two men that are listed. And they're thrown into that category.
Again, it's a very broad brush saying uh that these were these were sex workers in the area, and they were they were
found. So, oh, I apologize. Three males, because we have two that have been identified
and one that is is listed as a John Doe. So, again, this is a weird piece of information that
somebody in the area may not know. And what I mean is somebody that's calling into fake it may not know that,
that that they've tied some of these male victims in with these female victims, and they believe that they're connected,
at least enough to fall on the same list. Right. And I found that interesting. Now,
around this same time, for my understanding though, two captain, it was well known that there was a serial
killer in the area and or multiple individuals that were killing, you know, similar women,
uh similar being ages or profession, uh drug users, things of that nature in this time period. In fact, so much so
that there was a I want to make sure I I have the exact term and knowledge of what they were
calling it back then. Uh, I won't give out the the phone number because I don't know if it would
ring to anybody, and if it did, it who knows where the phone call would go, because this is a task force that was in
operation in the late '90s. So, they had a serial murder task force is what they
were calling it that was investigating those 26 homicides that fell onto this list. So, there would would been some
general public awareness that this was going on. One, that these murders were happening, and two, so much so that law
enforcement has deemed this or some of these murders at least to be the work of a serial
killer. And they are treating it as such, so much so that they've formed a task force to investigate these cases.
Well, when I told a couple of my friends, "Hey, I think we're going to try to dissect this call." and
I'm I'm interested to hear Nick's thoughts on this. They they would go, "Oh, yeah, I'm I'm interested to
hear his thoughts, too." Like Like who cares about your thoughts, Captain? Well, there's a couple of interesting
names that are loosely tied to this story, maybe a little more strongly tied to this story depending on who you ask,
but those names would be Victor Grant and Russell Elwood. So, many people believe that Russell
Elwood is in fact the guy calling himself Clay, Clay the serial killer that calls into the Howard Stern Show
confessing to killing 12 women. But Victor Gant is the other individual that's referenced in
relation to this story as well. And he's really interesting, too, because it kind
of falls back on something that Clay is talking about during the phone call. Victor Gant is a former law enforcement
officer who was tied to two, possibly more, of the slayings on that list of 26 that that I keep referencing.
So, he did have, as Clay says in the call, uh direct relationship with one or two of the victims. Well, like you said,
anything in this call could have been a lie. It could have be a ruse to throw people off the scent. And I'm trying to
look here on the fly, Captain, to figure out if Victor Gant was ever prosecuted or convicted of any of these these
killings here, but it doesn't look like and this is not the most updated information, but the the
most recent stuff I can find on this individual is that number of victims, they put it at anywhere from zero to 27.
So, he may not have been convicted of any of these actual killings, but it does specify on some different
websites that he is suspected of having killed two or more of the women that are on
this list. The interesting thing about Victor Gant as well when it comes to this list of
of homicides here is that he seems to match some kind of physical description that was being
tossed around in relation to some of these earlier murders that were taking place in and around the New Orleans area
in 1992. So, the suspect sketch then at that time depicted a large, muscular African-American man in his 30s and Gant
matched that physical that be it vague, but he matches that physical description.
So, who's this Russell Elwood? He is the individual that many believe is Clay the
serial killer who called into the Howard Stern Show. He did go on trial in 1998 for two
murders that took place in 1993. This was the murders of Cheryl Lewis and Dolores Mack. He was found in
The way that he was apprehended, okay? From my understanding, this dude worked as a cab driver for
for quite some time. I don't know if it was the full length or extent of when the killings were going on
or if it was just for a a more brief period of time during the course of those killings. But, a couple of key
things to know about Elwood is one, he was not from the New Orleans area. He moved there after living here in Ohio
for quite some time. And there's some information out there to suggest that he was in Ohio for
portions of these killings. That he may not have even been in the area when some of these women were were
abducted and killed. The way that he lands on the police radar is one, taxi cab drivers
are not uncommonly listed as suspects in these types of cases, especially when we're talking
about sex workers. So, his his job sort sort of fits what you're looking for because everybody willingly gets into a
taxi cab, and so it's easy to come up with victims. But, they arrest him they find him
Police see his vehicle in the middle of the night out in an area where they've recovered at least two bodies by this
point. And they find him there sitting alone in his car and they question him, you know, just
the basic question of, "Well, sir, why are you here?" While police knowing, "Hey, we've recovered bodies in this
area and it wouldn't be uncommon for a serial killer to return to the area or maybe he's here because he's getting
ready to dump another victim that he has in the trunk of his car. Yeah, that makes sense.
He claims first of all, he's not fully dressed, which I I wish they would offer up more detail on that because if it's
90° out and he's just not wearing a shirt, that doesn't seem extremely suspicious to me.
Uh but, they say in the report that he's not not fully dressed. Flippity flippity.
And that he claims that he's in this area because he's going to change the oil in the vehicle and change the brake
pads on the vehicle. And he wanted to be out there because he could dump the used
oil out in this area and you know, without anybody having concern about it. You know,
you're supposed to properly dispose of used oil and he wanted to just dump it on the side of the road. Well, police
are extra suspicious because then they search his vehicle. I guess they're hoping to either find drugs or maybe a
victim that they can save. Uh you know, they got a lot of suspicions when they're approaching his vehicle.
They don't find anything of that nature, but what they also don't find is brake pads or
oil or tools to do any of the work that he claims he's going to do. Again, he's out near a field in pitch black area. He
doesn't have any uh lighting to assist him in in doing any of this work. So, they know they've caught him in in a
lie. Got him. Now they need to know not only why are you here, but two, why are you
in this area and then lying about why you would be here. So, he looks extremely suspicious, but again, we have
to we have to note here that he is it's proven that during the course of some of these murders, when some of
these murders took place, he was not in New Orleans. He was not in the state of Louisiana. Well, like you said though,
there's probably multiple killers responsible for the the sum total of the what do you say, 27? Yeah, 20 26 is the
list that I have and eventually Elwood was charged and I believe convicted in both of the two
that he was charged with. I say that with a little hesitation, Captain, because I know that there's been some
question marks on one of those two homicides over the years that there's been some information coming forward
that he he may not have been in the area for both of those murders. It looks to me like this this Russell Elwood is good
for for several of these. He also claimed to I know we don't like jailhouse snitches.
The people that he was locked up with, Elwood would fit good with Clay, too, because he had multiple drug convictions
in multiple states before he was ever charged with any of these murders. So, that would make sense
to me, too, if that he wants to kind of shy away from that in the in the portion
of questioning on the Stern Show. But, when he was locked up in jail in in Florida
facing some kind of charges there, these weren't murder charges. We had inmates telling
law enforcement that this is what this dude told us he was up to. And apparently,
if we are to believe these jailhouse snitches, what they're claiming is that Russell Elwood told them that his thing
was he liked to he liked to pick up a a street walker. He He would get them to do drugs, whatever
their drug of choice was. I could be heroin, crack cocaine, what have you. But, he would get them to shoot up. He
wanted them to overdose in his in his presence. And sometimes I think he's having sex with them while
they're overdosing. And then he has to uh if they don't completely overdose, then he has to kill them by other means
after the fact. And that he just kind of left his victims on the side of the road
because he had no real attachment to them. There was no nothing connecting him connecting victim to perpetrator in
those cases. So, he didn't feel compelled to conceal the bodies or go to any great lengths or efforts to kind of
conceal the bodies. Now, that doesn't really fall in line with what Clay tells Howard on the phone because Clay
says that most of them he killed with a hammer and one of them he strangled. Where the jailhouse snitches are telling
us that oh, well, Elwood would like to make them overdose having sex with them while they're overdosing and with some
of them he I think one of the victims he she didn't die. So he drowned her. One of them I believe he claimed that he
that he strangled her, but at no point in any of those in any of that information could I find the use of a
hammer, which seems to be what Clay is saying that he's done with with most of the victims. I could see his voice
matching his picture. Well, what I think is probably most likely in this situation.
Again, when we talk about this list of 26 victims here, uh we probably have a situation where we
have multiple multiple perpetrators. Victor Gance probably responsible for a couple, maybe two to four of these.
Russell Elwood's probably responsible for a handful of these murders as well. And this Clay individual who called in
could be who he says he is. And some of his victims could be on this list as well.
And it's just a a tricky a tricky situation here. Now, on the Stern Show, we do know that it's not uncommon for
them to have fake phone calls. Right. In fact, they have they employ people that call the Howard Stern Show
pretending to be legit callers. Somebody starts making prank phone calls to them
and they're so entertaining that they offer them jobs. Yeah, and so they would off they would
regularly have these fake calls. But one thing I want to say about that is that Howard typically will move on from those
calls relatively quickly. Like unless they're home run comedy smash hits, he moves on from those calls very
quickly. And a lot of times, especially in the last 10 15 years, he's also quick to point out well, not
quick to point out, but toward the the end of the phone call, he'll point out that it's somebody in
the back, you know, that it's one of their staff and they've they've come up with something because that might become
a character that you will regularly hear on the show going forward because it was
such a smash hit. Now, a long time listener here telling you I don't know of a situation where somebody claims to
be calling in with a serious matter, there's nothing more serious than discussing the taking of one's life.
I I can't recall knowing of a fake call to be saying something of that weight, of that gravity. So,
now, is it out of the realm of possibility? No. Because we know that he was was and is a
shock jock and who knows what lengths they would go to to shock the audience to grow the audience or keep the
audience. But, I have a feeling here that if this is a fake call, then Clay is the fake
is the is the fake here, not somebody calling in from the back, that this is not a manufactured call from somebody on
the Stern staff. Well, I also put a little weight to the fact that they've never discussed it afterwards. Like I
said, they could have been caught they could have been contacted by New Orleans police, maybe even a lawyer,
and and maybe that's one of the reasons why they've they've never discussed it afterwards. Or, on the flip side, they
realized it was a fake and that's why they've never brought it up again. Now, I would believe, Captain, that the BSU
from the FBI would tell Stern and the local serial murder task force that they had established there in New Orleans at
the time, "This guy talking is our best weapon. We want to keep him talking. So, let's have
him reach out. Let's give him a Let's put him on speed dial so he can reach out and communicate with Stern or
somebody on the local level because he seems to want to talk and he's going to be able to offer up some clues if in
fact he is who he says he is. And we've kind of been discussing this gearing up and getting ready for this
and I think we both uh have similar thoughts and opinions. No strong gut feeling either way. If I had to bet
I would say that Clay is an actual serial killer. I think that's because the devil's in the details and how
quickly he comes up with those details. And also I find it interesting on how many
times that he corrects Howard. And so when he says like, "Oh well, I I originally wrote some notes and tried to
put out some clues and and and wanted to get some press and and then when Howard like
contradicts him on that he he repeats, "Oh no, no, I originally wanted that. I originally wanted fame."
I think if you're if he was lying to Howard about that and then Howard went in a different direction
you wouldn't maybe maybe you wouldn't double down but maybe you'd just move on and just let let him be incorrect.
Again, the other reason why I would lean towards or if I had to bet that he is telling the truth
is when they state New Orleans and how shocked he seems. And almost where I'm not even going to
deny that they must know somehow that I'm from New Orleans and so I have to give up that information. He doesn't
seem initially like he wanted to give that up. Where I question myself here, Captain, is
whether this caller is in fact who he says he is. I I think he's probably legit. If I had to if I had to just give
a simple answer that would be it, but a a longer less simple answer would be one I'm a little
shocked at how long he stayed on the phone. If he is who he says he is, because he
doesn't strike me to be dumb or ignorant to the fact that there's law enforcement
looking for him. So, I'm a little surprised at at how long he stays on the call itself. And I
also wouldn't be surprised if he's fluffed his numbers a little bit, where he says I've killed 12, but maybe he's
not killed that many people. Uh maybe he He still could be who he says he is and
not have killed 12 people. And like always, we want to hear your thoughts and opinions on the episode, so
go to truecrimegarage.com and make sure you leave a comment on the blog. Colonel, do we have any
recommended reading for this week? That's right. Thank you, Captain. And we want to thank everybody who has posted
questions and comments on the blog throughout this wonderful year. It's been a It's been a busy and exciting
blog at truecrimegarage.com. This week we have a great recommendation for your ear balls, a little recommended
listening. If you have not already, well, then make sure you go and check out the Missing Persons podcast by our
friends over at AbJack Entertainment. True Crime Garage and AbJack have been friends for years. Mike Morford, who
many of you will remember joined us on our Zodiac episodes, and I'll put the Colonel stamp on this. There is no
better person on this big blue marble to talk Zodiac with than Mike Morford. And
also a big player over at AbJack is one that has helped us out here at True Crime Garage for a long time, Jessica
Bettencourt. She has worked here behind the scenes for several years and she has
done some wonderful gangbusters work for us and for AbJack. We are recommending that everyone check out the Missing
Persons podcast because we paired up with them to feature one of our most recent cases titled Paige Coffee. Paige
has been missing from the greater Cleveland area since May of 2019. Her family, True Crime Garage, and the
Missing Persons podcast are asking for your help. We need to locate her. We need answers, and we are determined to
get justice for Paige and her family. True Crime Garage released the Paige Coffee episode last week on December
7th, and this past Saturday, the Missing Persons podcast released a Paige Coffee
episode as well. They are two very different shows, and I encourage everyone to listen to both, especially
if you live in Ohio or the surrounding states, because again, we need some help. Merry Christmas and happy holidays
to Jessica and Mike, and happy holidays to you all and everyone, and we will see
you back here in the garage next week. Until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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Longtime listeners of one of the world’s most popular and longest running radio shows have always been very creeped out by a call that came into the Howard Stern show more than 20 years ago. People have been fascinated by this call and it’s still talked about today. Back in 1997 a man calling himself “Clay” called the Howard Stern show saying he has killed 12 women and he wants to kill more. Renewed interest in this call really started popping up this last summer and here at the Garage we started receiving emails from those of you that wanted to hear the “Clay” call again. This week we crack a couple of Christmas beers and analyze the “Serial Killer Phone Call.” Merry Christmas to all and Cheers from the Garage boys!

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Brief Summary

A man named Clay claims to be a serial killer during a call to Howard Stern, admitting to killing 12 prostitutes and discussing his motivations.

Key points

The Killer's Confession. A man named Clay claims to have killed 12 prostitutes, revealing chilling details about his actions.
Thumb Painting with Victims. Clay shares a bizarre idea about wanting to thumb paint with his victims' thumbs after killing them.
A Year Without Killing. Clay discusses how he hasn't killed in almost a year, citing self-control and a broken car.
The Nature of Serial Killers. Serial killers are known liars and often embellish their stories. They have a tendency to talk about their crimes as a form of bragging.
The Ted Murders Investigation. During the investigation of Ted Bundy, the task force referred to the murders as the 'Ted murders' even before identifying him as the killer.
Live Show Announcement. Join us for a live show at BrewDog on February 19th, 2022, featuring a beer tasting and Q&A session.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I wanted to thumb paint with their thumbs.

The caller shares a bizarre idea about killing.

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Tension

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