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All right, I got a guy on the phone who claims he's been killing prostitutes and
he's wondering why he's doing it. Oh god. So maybe I he he thinks I have an answer. Is this Ed?
Ed? No, this isn't Ed. Oh. You haven't killed any prostitutes? No, I never said my name was Ed. Oh.
Sorry. That's okay. What's your What name do you use? You can call me Clay. Clay?
Clay? Yes, Clay. Okay, Clay. So what happened? How many prostitutes have you killed?
12. And you're wondering why you do it? I have a pretty good idea. Why? Did your
mom beat you? Did your mom spank you? Did your Was your mom a prostitute? No. Actually, nothing like that. What is it
then? I think I just do it for a sense of the power. All right. Do you have sex with them first?
Yes, and And then what? You strangle them? Once. How else did you kill them? Well, a few times. Actually, most times
with a hammer. Hm. And where do you do this primarily? Uh I've done it twice in a parking garage.
And then the rest of the times on the side of the road. And uh you're from the New Orleans area?
Yes. Hm. Uh-huh. I mean, what do you You beat them to death with a hammer? Man. That usually only takes once and it's
Dude, you got to have a lot of anger in you. Yes. And that means you're heartless.
Did you used to kill small animals? No. I've killed a rat. Yeah. Dude, you're a serial killer.
Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And you get away with it, I guess, cuz they're hookers and so far nobody
What? Is this Howard? Yeah. Hello? Hello? I didn't know this was Howard. Yeah, it's Howard. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I've never killed a kitten. Hm. So how old were were you when you killed your first woman?
16. And uh you must be a powerful kind of guy, big guy. Uh it wasn't then. Right. And uh when
you killed your first one, did you go in there knowing you were going to kill her
or did it sort of happen? I I knew I had I had I really had it planned out. Hm. You know, I wanted to
do the whole sending clues. Right. Oh yeah, are you in the baffle people but it turned out no one noticed for a
long time. Right. Like what Like you killed her on the side of the road? Uh her, that was the parking garage.
Okay. And then what did you do with the body? You dump that somewhere? Um Yeah, actually. I think uh she's
probably one of the ones that they found. Yeah. But let me ask you so you were sending clues that you were going
to do this? No, I was He was going to like He was going to leave like a note for
the newspapers and you know Uh but you decided not to. Yeah, he didn't want to be famous or draw attention to himself.
But the problem is you No, that's that's what I wanted to do but Oh, but you did but no one noticed the
clues. I No, I never sent the clues. I never left anything. You know, I wanted to
have my own little signature. Right. I wanted to thumb paint. I wanted to thumb thumb. Oh, really? What do you want to
do? Thumb paint with their thumbs. Thumb paint what though? I don't know. Oh, anything. It It It was in a comic book a
couple years ago with a Just seemed like a good idea. Like you take the girl you
killed, you you dip her thumbs in paint and then you do like a thumb painting? Yes. On a piece of paper?
Yeah. Hm. Now when you after you kill somebody, do you play with the body? Um Actually, the closest I've ever done to
that is I always make sure I pay them and I make sure they keep their money. Oh, really? When they're still alive but
uh with one of them I did put the money in a compromising place. I see. But that
was this one You know, it it had a penis. Oh, really? It was a guy. Yeah. Yeah, I
didn't know at first. So do you Do you ever get Do you think the reason you're so angry is because you were abused or
something? No, I wasn't abused, Howard. Where's your family? You got a wife? you got a mom, a dad, a wife, children?
You got any of that? I've got a couple of kids but um I No wife? married to the mother. Mhm. You're a
white guy? Uh yeah, Howard. That's pretty funny because the only suspect they had when
they started finding the bodies was a black police officer. Turns out one of them uh
was associated with them. Oh, really? Yeah. Are you on drugs? Uh I've done acid a few times. Hm. So So
So if you killed if you killed the first 16-year-old, like you finish you you finish
16. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. All right. So you finish with your uh sexual gratification
and then you Not always, no. Not always. You don't even want to get laid sometimes.
No, I just You just want to kill. Uh I'm just bored. Right. But does the killing sexually satisfy
you in some way? I can't believe that McMahon's not laughing. I I I've beaten off thinking about it later.
Yeah. What are you saying? He He's pleasured himself thinking about it later. Oh, he has. Okay. Now how far apart are
these murders? Like do you murder and then like you feel satisfied for a while? Um
I don't even understand why I do it, Howard. I don't know if if I ever get any satisfaction. Hm. But how how often
The closest to gather anywhere was the same night. Really? You killed two people in the same night? Yeah, but I
went to Mississippi for the second one. Hm. Hm. So there's no pattern to how many
weeks or days between murders? No. Are these mostly white chicks or black chicks?
Uh I had fair fair number of them have been black. The uh transvestite was black. Is there any some racial
motivation here? No, Howard. They were just uh Let's just say it's Jimmy Swaggertown.
Mhm. Jimmy Swaggertown? Don't know what that means. Me neither but Oh, that's that's pretty much the
area around here where the prostitutes all hang out. I see. And it's just whoever comes up to you.
You don't pick a certain type? I don't even approach them. I wait for them to approach me, Robin. Do you ever
That's like them asking for it. Do you ever like look into their eyes and go, you know, gee, these these
people were just children at one point and maybe they just had a tough life and I've let a couple go. You have? Like
what happened? You're in the middle of killing them and then they and then they What do they say? Why would you let one
go and kill the other? There was this one Go ahead. Uh I think she was probably really new to it. Yeah.
I There was just something about her. Or maybe she reminded me of my fiance, but
Right. You somehow relate More More of an innocent quality. I just You somehow felt bad for her.
Yeah. Hm. You So, okay. So, you killed your first woman. When was the last time you
killed? It It's been a few months. Actually, it's It's been going on a year. Hm. So,
what do you think you're going to do? Do you think you're going to kill yourself?
Do you think that you think you're going Are you going to kill again? Can you stop this? If I
killed myself, I'd miss the next Batman movie. Right. You don't want to do that.
No. No, but in all seriousness, I mean, do you think that you could control this?
Do you think you could stop? I think I have been. Oh, you have been for the last couple of months. A year he hasn't
killed. Yeah. Almost. So, why do you think you stopped killing all of a sudden? I really don't know, Howard. I just
Part of it had to do with my car broke down. Oh, no transportation. Seriously? That's the reason? Well, that
was the reason for a month, but after that, I guess it was all self-control. Wow. So, you don't want to do this
anymore? No, he wants to do it, but he's controlling himself. But you want to kill women, right?
Sure. Yeah. And what And do you like it Do you enjoy seeing them struggle as you kill them?
Uh actually, none of them really struggle. Hm. Do you hit them from behind or do they see it coming?
Uh I can't get inside their minds, but I must just say I hit them. But I mean, are you facing them?
Yeah. So, you can see their face and everything when you do it. Yeah. Yeah. The The worst I've ever gotten was um
one tried to grab my neck. I've never gotten any of the claw marks or anything that are uh
dead giveaways. Well, you must be very powerful. I wouldn't call myself powerful. Maybe
uh intimidating. Why did you use a hammer? Do you think you Uh cuz it was in a book I read. Oh. Oh,
everything has come from cartoons and Yeah. When's the last time you got laid? Uh last week, Howard. Oh, yeah. So, you
didn't kill that girl. No. Cuz she wasn't a hooker. No. Right. It's only hookers, though. A lot of serial killers
are only the hookers cuz they know A, Easy. probably won't get caught, and B, they have some kind of anger toward
hookers. So, there's no way I'm going to talk into giving yourself up or anything,
right? No. I shouldn't even waste my time. I know I'm going to get calls after this,
and people are going to go, "Howard, how come you didn't catch him?" I mean Have
Has anybody ever been close to catching you? No. No, actually, someone once with When
it was in the newspaper, someone joked to me, "I know it was you." But uh well, they were joking. Right. Do you
have a lot of tattoos? Uh I don't have any tattoos. I wouldn't do that to myself. Right. And do you get
high before you do this? Uh I've gotten pretty drunk before. Yeah. I'm the only guy you could Am I
the only guy you ever told about this? Yeah. Hm. Wow. I just That's sort of an honor. I told a
couple of women, Howard, but uh They're dead. Yeah. Do you tell them first and then
you kill them? Uh yeah. What do you say to them? Let me hit All right, let's see now, and then
you can play the running game if you're out in the middle of nowhere, and we got
a lot of the middle of nowhere down here. Right. So, in other words, let's say you're with a woman, right? A
hooker. Yeah, Howard. And you say to her, "Okay, honey, you know, you just had sex and
everything." What do you say to her to torment her? How do you break the news to her that
she's going to die? I It really depends on my uh mood. Just give us an example. Well, if I wanted to, I could just say
Baba Booey, but that would be pretty uh No, come on, be serious. What do you say
to them? I I can say you're going to die. And then what do they do? I said that I
like to articulate a little more than that. Mhm. Sometimes I ask them uh if they think it's dangerous
doing what they're doing, if they're worried about things, and they'll laugh it off, and that
just pisses me off. Right. And then you go ahead and you kill them. Yeah. Hm. All right. Well, there you go.
Well, you heard it there, folks. In November of 1997, a man calling himself Clay, saying he is the killer of sex
workers, a dozen at that, calling from the New Orleans area to speak with shock jock legendary DJ
Howard Stern. Calling up, telling Howard Stern that he believes that he got into killing women
for fame and notoriety, and later he now believes that he does it simply for power and control.
And this is a call that has been an interesting one. Obviously, this is an older call, but one that really sparked
a lot of renewed interest just earlier this year. In fact, in the fall of 2021. And I don't know why all of a sudden
here, Captain, this pops up on the radar as something that everybody's really interested in
all you know, all these years later, but one guess that I have is anybody that listens to Howard or is the proud
listener of SiriusXM knows that Howard has two whole channels devoted to him and the shenanigans of
his staff and crew. And the Howard Station 101, which is arguably one of my favorite stations on
SiriusXM, plays a lot of the best of or Sternthology or, you know, the older shows. Interestingly enough
here, Captain, I remember roughly around August or September of this year, they played this call again. They played
the entire segment, which I believe was multiple callers, and this Clay, killer of women, was only one of maybe three
callers during a maybe a 20-minute segment. And but it's by far the most intriguing
of those three calls, and absolutely one of the most intriguing calls that Howard
has received in his very lengthy career. Well, and just to get this right, because I'm I'm not an
avid Howard Stern listener. I think he does great interviews. I think he's obviously evolving throughout the years,
and this was 20-some years ago. I think you can tell from this interview uh Howard's kind of listening.
Like where I think Howard has become a better listener when he's doing interviews now than
Yeah, and obviously, it's just a caller calling in, but you can tell there's a couple times
where the he has the caller has to correct Howard cuz he's not really fully engaged
in the call. But so, what I'm guessing is that they'd have a call-in section, and that section would be normally about
20-some minutes long, and then if one call is kind of boring, you cut them off at a
couple minutes, but this one was pretty intriguing, so it lasts almost 11 minutes long. Yeah, and I think what you
have there and as someone who's listened to Howard for quite some time, this is actually
typical Howard to me. Like, and I think it's not because he's not trying to listen. I
think he's quarterbacking a lot of stuff that's going on that we don't see because all we're hearing is the audio.
And one thing that I know that he does from time to time cuz he spoke about it on the radio is he's like trying to
determine, trying to gauge in his own mind, is this an interesting call or not? Because if it's not, boom, I'm
dumping this call. I'm here to put out an interesting show, and we'll move on to the next caller.
This is one of those ones where I think he's trying to gauge that, but he he sounds like he's
very intrigued by what this guy's saying, and in a way, almost trying to figure out the guy. Maybe not to the
point of identifying him, but at least to the point of trying to gauge if this guy is legit or if he is
genuine in what he is claiming to be. Because it's not every day that some guy calls up a radio station saying, "Hey,
I've killed a dozen women, and I really just called to tell you about it." And I think I mentioned earlier to to
you this year when we're putting together a schedule list, you know, we'll take the cases and then
map out where we're going to put them on the schedule. My thought was this would
be interesting to hear you dissect this call. You being a Howard Stern listener,
and you being into true crime, what was your thoughts and opinions on this call?
Surprisingly, it seems like in the last couple months, other people got this same idea to
dissect this call, and there's a couple videos and stuff on YouTube where people
are doing that. Well, and what's really interesting behind the scenes here in the garage,
when you brought it up, I had it on my list, and I thought, "Oh, this is perfect. Thank God he brought it up."
Because it's always more exciting to cover something that your excited about, but to know that your your partner in
crime is excited to cover as well. So, you know that it's going to be a good, interesting conversation, even if nobody
else hears it, right? But So, I I had said it well, you know, I heard the call again. It's
one that I had heard over the years, and I was always very intrigued by the call,
and I thought, "You know what? This would be perfect for something for Off the Record." Cuz we're always kind of
looking for true crime, but also kind of off-the-wall topics for Off the Record.
Right. You said to me, you you "Well, I think it's interesting enough. Maybe maybe it goes on the regular show. And
then what kind of echoed that idea was we started getting emails from people that were saying, "Hey, have you ever
heard the Howard Stern serial killer phone call? We would love to hear a discussion about
that on the show." So, the listeners asked for it and here we are doing it. And this call to me is is incredibly
interesting because I find myself walking the high wire of whether I believe this guy or not, right? I It's a
It's a balancing act. And it's not that I want to believe him or it's not that I
don't want to believe him. It's a matter of, well, what side What side of this high wire do I fall off on? Do I fall on
the side that this guy's legit or do I fall on the side of, well, this is just somebody calling in and looking to hear
their voice on their on their favorite radio show. There's a lot of things that he says along the way that really make
me feel like there's There's some truths here on this call. I don't know that I would
ever fully believe 100% that this guy would of the things that he's saying. And I want to
make sure that I really kind of explain that thought. One, the thought being that I don't know that I would fully
100% ever believe a serial killer in their statements or their stories because we know that one very common
theme that is shared by these individuals is they are known liars. And they're known liars throughout the
entirety of their their lives and their criminal careers, if you want to call it
that. So, even if you were sitting down with somebody that you knew was legit, Ed Kemper
would be one that would come to mind. Somebody that is able to explain and articulate his crimes and some of his
very the devious type behaviors and things that he did throughout time. You know,
he's able to explain those to you and he's able to help you learn from him in ways, but I
also would suspect that I don't know that these guys possess the ability to be 100% truthful at any time.
And they tend to skew and mash the facts when it benefits them. You know, that's kind of a a common
theme with humanity in general, but they certainly do it more often than most. One thing that is super
interesting to me here is that another commonality amongst these types that we've learned over the years is that
they usually like to talk. They usually want to tell somebody some of the things
that they've done. It's almost a way of of bragging. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Normally, when you're
hanging out with your buddies and somebody's telling a story and it's like you might have heard the story before
and a couple years later the story has changed a little bit. It's They embellish little parts. It makes
the story better. But I agree with you. I I don't know how much you can trust if he is a serial killer
how much you could trust him anyways. That fish I caught, Captain, was 17 in and it weighed over 2 and 1/2 lb. Yeah.
And then a year later, that same fish, man, that thing was like 22 in. 17 ft. and 3.1 lb.
And now it's not the biggest fish that I've ever caught, even though it's grown since the time that I've caught it. It's
now the second or third largest fish that I've ever caught. So, yeah, I think I think those things happen. Now, in
analyzing this call, one thing's a few things that jump off the uh I was going to say jump off the page,
but maybe jump out the earbuds are first, he, when asked his name, Clay, he comes up with the name relatively
quickly. You know what I mean? Like it's He's not fishing for a name to present. So, that
To me, that's interesting. And then the number of victims. He says it very quick, very matter-of-factly, "I've
killed 12 women." Well, a couple of things there, I think. One, and we've talked about this before, some
people have when they go into bars with their buddies, they have a alias that they like to use.
Or in this case, I wondered if this individual or maybe other serial killers when they would meet their victim, well,
normally it's like, "Nice to meet you. I'm the Captain. What's your name?" So, they'd have that name. Maybe he's used
Clay in every single murder. That's what I wondered about as well because here's
the biggest problem for serial killers, and I I know that's a really strange sentence to say and hear,
is that often when they do it on a long enough timeline, there will be one or two victims or survivors that get away.
And usually that is their undoing. That is the unraveling and and what will lead
to their apprehension. Now, we know that serial killers, just like any other industry in life,
kids playing Little League baseball, they study the guys playing Major League baseball. And they try to learn from
what works and what from and from what doesn't work for the guys in the bigs so that maybe one day they can make it to
the bigs. So, some of these serial killers and some of the more organized ones at that will typically study
known serial offenders and known serial killers. And they want to know what worked for them and what didn't work for
them. And they might try to employ some of those techniques that did work and strongly avoid some of the things that
didn't work or led to their eventual apprehension. Now, with Ted Bundy, one thing that he did, and I think this
shows the arrogance of Bundy, was I don't think he ever thought that any of these women were going to get away
from him. I don't think Bundy ever thought that they would survive Ted Bundy. Once he set his plan into place,
once he made that determination that you were his, he believed it was going to work in his
favor. Right. And so, we know from the time at the the Lake Sammamish and and before that,
the task force was actually referring to, and this is during the Washington state portion of the investigation
looking for the known serial killer. They knew they had a serial killer operating in the area. They didn't know
who it was. But during that portion of the Ted Bundy case, behind the scenes, the task force and
the people working that that case were actually referring to the investigation as the Ted murders. Yet, they had not
identified the person that was committing those murders. Why were they calling the investigation the Ted
murders or the series of murders the Ted murders? Because on more than one occasion, there was a female that got
away or was approached and had some kind of conversation with Ted Bundy in which
he used his real name. You know, that's a common interaction when you first meet
somebody for the first time. Oh, what's your name? My name's Cindy. What's your name? My name is My name is Ted. It
worked for him for a while because a lot of the victims didn't get away. But when
they started looking for possible eyewitnesses and people that did get away, they're like, "Wait a second. This
This person is calling himself Ted." And so, they called it the Ted murders, but
I don't know that any of the investigators at the time believed that they thought that the guy would be dumb
enough to use his real name. So, I like the cut of your jib here, Captain. I think you might be spot-on where Clay
might be a name that he is using when he's picking up a sex worker. "Hey, what's your name, honey?" Oh, "My name's
Clay." "What do you want?" How much, you know, you got to negotiate price and and different
different things, you know, where where this is all going to go down. Those are all part of the negotiation process and
I would imagine that an exchange of names, and probably both of them fictitious,
is going down during the course of that conversation. And maybe that's why he's able to to kind of throw out this name,
Clay. Obviously, we wouldn't expect him to be giving his real name or providing his real name to Howard Stern and saying
that he's killed 12 women and they've not figured out that it's me yet. And so, maybe this is a name that he's
using to help get the eventual victim into his vehicle. If If your whole goal is to procure a victim and get a victim
or potential victim into your vehicle, and we know that his vehicle was a part of his his murder
technique. You know, part of of his scheme and what he was doing because he said, "Hey,
I've stopped for a while. And part of the reason why I stopped is my vehicle broke down. I didn't have, you know, I
That's his lab to work in. That's his That's his mobile lab to try to procure a victim and then take them where he
feels comfortable assaulting and killing them. And without that vehicle, he's he's lost
his playing field, so to speak. So, there has to be some kind of exchange and you can't have a woman lean into the
vehicle and say, "Hey, honey, what's your name?" And you go, "I don't want to tell you my name." Well, that might be
off-putting to her and she might not be wanting to get into your vehicle after that exchange. So, maybe this is a name
that he is using during the interaction with these victims. The number 12 is interesting, too, when
he's asked, you know, he says, "I don't know if I can't remember from the call if Howard asked
him how many people he's killed or if he just offers it up." But the number of 12
seems to come out real quick. Right. Like he doesn't have to to think about it so much and you know the
detectives will often say if something is true and something is factual, you don't have to remember it.
Right. You know, you don't have to spend a lot of time trying to remember it. You know
it. You know it to be true. So, that's kind of terrifying when he throws out the number 12 and does so rather
quickly. All right. Cheers to you. Cheers to the people in the back. Cheers to the people
in the front and happy holidays. Not so much to the people in the middle. Talk hands in the air.
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But back to this call, one of the things that I thought was interesting about this Clay guy is
why I kind of find it humorous that he almost seemed annoyed. Ed. No. I never said Ed. Right. I'm Clay.
So, you could kind of almost see his temperament a little bit. Yeah, so you have that weird interaction there where
Howard asked is this Ed? And he says no. And Howard sounds bummed out and I think
that's because it's not uncommon for your you know, they're screening these calls behind the scenes before that any
of them make it onto the radio. So, it's not uncommon especially on a show like Howard Stern where you have hundreds of
people trying to call in all at the same time where they're screening calls and they're in Howard's one ear. We can't
hear it, but they're saying, "Hey, we got this guy uh Ed. He claims to be a serial killer. He's on line six." You
know, and then Howard picks up, "Is this Ed?" No, it's not Ed. Oh, he sounds bummed out because he thinks well, the
the wires got crossed and and now he's got some guy that he doesn't know if it's going to be an interesting call or
not. But very quickly, yeah, the the the caller straightens out the situation by
saying, "No, I Yes, I've killed women, but I never said my name was Ed." thing I thought was kind of humorous is
he doesn't understand that he's talking to Howard. So, the one that makes me think is he much of a Howard listener?
Because Howard's voice is very distinct. And so then he he's almost I I don't know.
30 seconds to a minute, maybe longer. I'd have to actually look. Where he's like, "Wait, is this Howard?"
And he's like, "Yeah, this is Howard. Who do you think it was?" And then you can hear his breathing almost change.
Like he becomes nervous. So, that makes me believe okay, well, why would you get
nervous that you're actually talking to Howard? Would you be nervous because now
you feel like you're on the air? Or if you were a big fan of Howard that maybe you would you know get nervous. At
at the last meet up I did this girl came up to me and we're taking a picture and
she was like, "I'm shaking. I don't know why I'm shaking." I'm like "Yeah, either do I." So, um
so I thought it was kind of humorous that he he gets mad about the mistaking of the name and then
gets nervous once he figures out it's Howard. Well, sometimes adrenaline kicks in and it's not really up to us when it
does kick in. I think it comes from that part of the brain that doesn't ask for permission. It just decides, "Boom,
Right. here you go. Now you're like, oh crap, I'm shaking and I if if I had a a choice in the matter, I would choose not
to be shaking. But you're right. And this is one thing that that always surprises me. Yes, one, the caller not
recognizing Howard's voice. Two, they are on the call with Howard and Robin at the same time and he doesn't he seems
to fail to recognize that. But this is in in the defense of the guy claiming to be
a serial killer, uh this is something that I've witnessed dozens and dozens of times on the Howard
Stern show where somebody somebody's talking for a couple minutes and then they're shocked that they're actually
talking to Howard. I don't know again, they're screening the calls and I don't know if the person screening the calls
ever tells the caller, "Hey, hold for Howard." or "Okay, you're on next." I think they just take down some
information, tell them they're putting them back on hold and if Howard picks up, he picks up because
the guy screening the calls or the woman screening the calls can never guarantee
that Howard's going to actually pick up on on any of these people. So, But you're right, there's a change
in his in his speech and in his breathing and it could be from both of those factors that you pointed out.
Maybe maybe kind of a double whammy of oh crap, I am on air. I am live. A little bit of stage fright and oh, I I
am talking to Howard and now I'm nervous. The other thing you have to wonder too is
this guy doesn't he's not calling in because he wants to get caught. There's other people he could call if he wanted
to turn himself in or to get caught. Yeah. If he is who he says he is, he's calling in to brag about what he's done,
receive some of that fame and notoriety that he is seeking. These are his own words. He
said originally I think that I got into it because I wanted to be famous or be or be known as a serial killer. And now
I'm coming to realize that I think that I do it, it being killing women, for a sense of power and control. And so he's
not calling in with the idea of oh, I want to give up every detail and every bit of information about myself so you
can catch me. So, part of me wonders too, is there an added factor to that nervousness that he's going, "Oh, wait a
second. Have I already said too much? I wasn't aware that we would be on the air." Right. Well, in the last 5 years
we've lived a strange life. We're going on a strange journey because we talked about these cases. Sometimes we bring up
individuals and those individuals might be suspects in a case that we brought up
and they make contact with the show and sometimes it's not even to clear up their name. Maybe they just want to have
a discussion with us. And obviously they're having a discussion with us to clear up their name, but they
they might they might not be upset about how it was reported because for years they've been a part of
the case's story. Mhm. And so every time somebody's reached out to me, I I always feel like the obligation one,
because we spoke about them and they have thoughts and opinions on the case and since they're close to the
case, I always feel obligated to to give them the time to talk with them. Mhm. But they're also
intriguing conversations because there's a part of you that goes this person is a
suspect, maybe not my favorite suspect in the case or or somebody that I lean too heavily in favor of being
the actual murderer or whoever's responsible for the crime. But in those conversations, there's a
part of you that's like, well, maybe they'll slip up. Mhm. Maybe they'll be talking to me
about the case and just go, "You know what? This is just too much and oh by the way, I did it."
So, I think that's probably playing through Howard's mind. Well, it's interesting that this
guy calls and he's going to tell me all these details. Maybe through the act of talking about the
crimes I could get him to just And I don't think he leans on that too heavy. Mhm. But I think he definitely I
I at one point he even says, you know, I have to ask. Because how how how crazy would of that call turned into
if he basically said, "Oh yeah, okay. Well, yeah. This feels good to be talking about.
And almost confessing to somebody. And if he was telling Howard the truth that you're the only person I ever told,
there is a chance that that individual then goes, well, this feels good to get off my chest. Oh, by the way, my real
name is the captain. Yeah, well, it's again, it it might be one of those situations where if this is
in fact real, if he is who he says he is, well, then he's calling in because he's wanted some fame and notoriety for
his acts, but he can't you can't he can't just run out into the streets and say, I'm the guy you're looking for. I'm
the guy that's responsible for all the news that's hitting the papers and the bodies that they're finding on the side
of the road. And because if so, he's going to they're going to shut him down. He's going to be locked up and he's
going to be forced to stop doing what it is that he seems to like and enjoy doing. And that's taking the
lives of of these women. 12 specifically is what he says. And of course, there's
a lot of other crimes and horrible things that go on leading up to the murders themselves.
And that's probably all of a all of it for him, too. A driving factor for him as well.
This is from a book that we've been talking about a little bit here in the garage as of late called a killer by
design. And this is by the great Ann Burgess. And one thing that she's talking about in throughout this book is
how much these types usually and we got to we got to make sure we we say that correctly. Usually like to talk and like
to explain what it is that they are guilty of. She's talking about a case where this is
the ski mask rapist. And after he was caught, she goes on to say his desire to take ownership of his crimes and his
habit of bragging about what he had done as a way of defining who he is. His desire to impress others by violent
means was deeply disturbing, of course, but it also came with an upside for our criminal personality study as a whole.
Simonis, that's the the man identified as the ski mask killer or sorry, ski mask rapist. Simonis wanted to talk. He
wanted others to step inside his head so he could relive his most violent episodes and share them with an
audience. Forcing others to witness the rawness of the details was a fundamental
part of how his mind worked. And so, that kind of backs up a lot of the idea, well, if this guy is in fact who he says
he is, why would he go out of his way if he doesn't want to get caught to go on I mean, 1997, this is almost national
radio. I mean, by this point, Howard Stern he's still on terrestrial radio, but it's
he's syndicated throughout the country and in many different states, especially in some of the major cities.
And so, why would he want to risk right? Because that's what he's doing. He's if he is who he says he is, his
risk of getting caught, that number just went really way up because of this action. It's risky
behavior to call in and announce to Howard and and anybody that's listening who you are and what you've been up to.
And well, and I also don't think he's sitting there being that calculated on the information
he's giving. There he's it's not like he's has there's hesitation or that he's there's these long pauses
before he starts answering stuff. Some of this stuff is coming out of his mouth real quickly.
And that's what's disturbing to me because that's where I lean on the side that this guy's telling the truth.
Because he's he's not struggling to come up with an answer because he's he doesn't know what the questions are
going to be before he calls in. So, it's not like he can script all of his answers. He does a a pretty good job,
too, of not giving a great physical description of himself even though you can tell at times Howard is kind of
trying to bait him a little bit. You said bait. And maybe get some information from him. So, but this is
what? You said it's what? About a 10-minute phone call? Yeah. So, over the course of a 10-minute conversation that
we listen into, really the only physical description that he offers up about himself is that he's a
white male with no tattoos. Even so much so that when Howard says like, oh, well,
you must be like a big powerful big strong person. And what a slick answer that Clay offers
up. He says, well, I wasn't back then. Well, that that's not even a real answer. That's not a yes, I am a big
strong huge person or I'm a meek little individual. That's an extremely vague answer of, well, I
wasn't back then. Right. Meaning he could still be not big. But Exactly. And again, define what is
big. It's not really defined when he's asked to give an answer. So, he really offers up no physical description of
himself other than to say he has no tattoos. No tattoos is a direct reply to Howard on a specific question
that is thrown out there and that he's a white male. I did the same thing with this call that I did with the Brandon
Lawson 911 tape. Listen to it one time. Okay. Listen to it again. And then immediately it was like, okay,
let me get a pad of paper and start dissecting it. I mean, it it felt like the same feeling.
And like I said, you see that he's perturbed cuz you call him Ed, doesn't understand that it's Howard, find that
interesting right away. And also, he mentions two at least two comic book references. He talks about,
well, I saw this thing in a comic book where the killer was painting with the victim's thumbs. And then he said
something like, well, I don't want to turn myself in because I'd miss the next Batman movie.
So, two comic book references. And then also, like you said, where he goes, oh, well, no, no, I'm a white male.
You have any tattoos? No, I wouldn't do that to myself. Even though that the answer came out so
quickly, it could be look, when you have a lot of tattoos, people will ask about them.
And somebody sometimes you'll hear the reply, yeah, I'm too scared to do that or I don't know what I'd put on myself
or I wouldn't do that to myself. So, it could be just a ruse. Oh, yeah, do you have any tattoos? Nah,
don't have any tattoos. I wouldn't do that to myself. And and kind of a joking answer to
himself. Well, one thing that I find really interesting is his where he does struggle to give an answer
is when he's asked if he does drugs. And he he hesitates on his answer and he throws something out there like, well, I
did acid when I was a teenager or something. Like he gives some answer that's not really a direct answer to the
question that that was just delivered by Stern. And one thing to me that that I really I
really focused in on that because when we talk about offering up no real description of himself, well, if he says
yes, I'm a drug user or or goes into specifics about the types of drugs that he uses, well, these guys that kill
5 6 7 10 12 people, they usually have other crimes that they've committed throughout the course
of their lifetime. And so, that creates a police record. The police have a record of those convictions. Use on
file. And so, he doesn't want to offer up. That would be one thing that he really wouldn't want to offer up besides
a physical description of himself because he could be he could be in a database somewhere. You know, I I need
somebody that I know has been in the area for this period of time from this year to to the current year. Remember,
this was November of 1997 of the phone call. I need somebody that has has previous drug convictions. We know that
he had a driver's license at one point because he says his car broke down and that was a factor in why he he briefly
stopped killing for a while. So, there's some things that you can start to piece
together if you really wanted to track this down. Now, he he says he's calling from the New
Orleans area. One thing that would have been really interesting to know and this is a call as startling as it is,
Captain. This is a call that's not referenced on the show. I don't know that it's ever been
referenced again on on the show. One that I could find, but I I'm a regular listener. I don't listen to every single
day or every single minute of the show, obviously, but uh Well, the information I found about this call is
supposedly the call happened and they've never discussed it ever since. They didn't even supposedly discuss it on the
next segment. Hey, remember that guy that just called us? What do you think? It's almost like they had the
conversation and they just moved on. And and look, for all we know, law enforcement was listening. Maybe
they even got contacted by law enforcement. You know, hey, do you have screeners? Can you tell us what number
this guy's calling from? And maybe they were told legally just not to talk about it.
Well, and that's one thing I wondered like and it was never mentioned, was it in fact a New Orleans area code? I would
have loved if if Gary would have chimed in or whoever was screening the calls would have chimed in to let us know that
at least the guy's calling from the area that he says he's calling from. Well, I
actually believe that's correct because when he says Howard is the one that says New Orleans.
Oh. And and and you can tell that he's a little startled by the fact that they know that.
Yeah, he's a little off-put that that's thrown out there right away. Yeah, and I
and I have always found that to be a little suspicious where he's going he's talking and they're like, okay, yeah,
you're calling from New Orleans and he's like, yeah. It's almost like he knows that might have been information that
Clay didn't want to give out. Well, and we can say this that there was an active serial killer in New Orleans
in the early 90s. And the one of the more extensive articles and information that I could
find out there says that it could be up to 26 victims. And this would be through the course of
looks like 1991 to about 1996. Now, the only the only thing that I throw in there
in regard to this call is that the last victim that they have listed here, the 26th victim, was found
in April of 1996. And Clay says that he he says that he hasn't killed in almost a year. And this
call's taking place in November of 1997. Now, let's circle back around to something else though. When he is
talking about how he killed some of his victims, he says a a hammer is one of them, strangulation was was at least one
of them. And I believe he says that most of the victims he killed with a hammer and he
strangled one of them. And he also says something about the strangled victim saying, well, that's
probably one of the ones that they found. So, just because we don't have any victims found
after April of 1996 or or information pointing us in that direction doesn't mean that the call's not legit, right?
It doesn't mean that the call isn't legit because maybe they just haven't found his more recent victim or victims.
Well, like you said, he hesitates on when he says, you know, are you on drugs? And he hesitates and I wonder if
that's he then follows up saying, you know, well, you know, maybe I'd be drinking when I'd
commit these crimes. You wonder well, how much is this guy drinking? And is he drinking and then
once he has enough beers that he's also doing some other drug? And is it possible that he just doesn't
remember some of the murders? Yeah, that's certainly a a possibility here. Um I would I would guess that the the
individual might not be so sloppy drunk that I mean, if if he if what he's saying is true, he's been able
to pull this off 12 times without getting caught. Yeah. And he he seems to believe that he's so far off their radar
that he can call into a uh a national radio show and tell tell everybody what he's been up to. Yeah, I
thought that too, but um with the drinking thing, you know, yes, cuz I I would I would assume that
these killers would have this urge the urge is growing. Now, they know that uh I I have to start planning. I think they
start working out this this puzzle in their in their brain, but I'd also think that individuals that had these
urges if they were an avid drinker that once they got enough booze into their system
that maybe they wouldn't be able to control their their um impulses. Well, yeah, I mean, oftentimes they will
they will do something to loosen themselves up to build up the courage to cuz a lot of times these are fantasies
that these individuals have and they've kept to themselves their entire lives and they want to act out these
fantasies. They've just never had the the guts to do it. Yeah. And as as dumb and sick as that sounds, that's that's
the truth. They've they've never been able to build up the confidence or the bravery or whatever you want to call it
to to act on these fantasies. Now, one thing that I found interesting though too is he doesn't shy away from the fact
that one of his 12 victims was a a cross-dresser. That, you know, come to discover later
during the attack or what have you, he learns that what he thought was a female victim is now a a male victim.
And the thing that's interesting to me about that, Captain, is in this the list that I was able to find of the 26
victims from 1991 to 1996 in I'm sorry, 1990 yeah, April 1996 in and around the New Orleans area. And
unfortunately, they with very broad strokes, they paint the the a picture here in the title of what the
list is saying that these these 26 individuals were all uh you know, sex workers or prostitutes.
And I don't think I've seen some information come out from family members of some of the the persons that have
been been identified that are on this list saying, you know, they weren't a sex worker. They're they're being lumped
in in this group. But what have you, what we know here is that I don't think that it's the same perpetrator that
carried out all 26 of these murders. I I don't believe that at all. I believe we're probably looking at
three, maybe four possibly more because a couple of these could be just one-offs where where
somebody killed just one person and they never killed anybody else ever again. And it just happened to take place
during this same time period and so they're getting kind of lumped all together here.
Uh but within this list of 26, there are two men that are listed. And they're thrown into that category.
Again, it's a very broad brush saying uh that these were these were sex workers in the area and they were they
were found. So, I apologize, three males because we have two that have been identified
and one that is is listed as a John Doe. So, again, this is a weird piece of information that
somebody in the area may not know. And what I mean is somebody that's calling in to fake it may not know that
that that they've tied some of these male victims in with these female victims and
they believe that they're connected at least enough to fall on the same list. Right.
And I found that interesting. Now, around this same time for my understanding though too, Captain, it
was well known that there was a serial killer in the area and or multiple individuals that were
killing, you know, similar women, uh similar being ages or profession, uh drug users, things of that nature in
this time period. In fact, so much so that there was a I want to make sure I I have the exact
term analogy of what they were calling it back then. Uh I won't give out the the phone number
because I don't know if it would ring to anybody and if it did, who knows where the phone call would go because this is
a task force that was in operation in the late 90s. So, they had a serial murder task force is what they were
calling it that was investigating those 26 homicides that fell onto this list. So, there would have been some general
public awareness that this was going on. One, that these murders were happening.
And two, so much so that law enforcement has deemed this or some of these murders
at least to be the work of a serial killer. And they are treating it as such so much so that they've formed a task
force to investigate these cases. Well, when I told a couple of my friends, hey, I think we're going to try
to dissect this call and I'm I'm interested to hear Nick's thoughts on this. They they would
go, oh, yeah, I'm I'm interested to hear his thoughts too. Like Like who cares about your thoughts,
Captain? Well, there's a couple of interesting names that are loosely tied to this
story, maybe a little more strongly tied to the story depending on who you ask. But those names would be Victor Grant
and Russell Elwood. So, many people believe that Russell Elwood is in fact the guy calling
himself Clay, Clay the serial killer that calls into the Howard Stern Show confessing to killing 12 women.
But Victor Gant is the other individual that's referenced in relation to this story as well. And he's
really interesting too because it kind of falls back on something that Clay is talking about during the phone call.
Victor Gant is a former law enforcement officer who was tied to two possibly more of the slayings on that
list of 26 that that I keep referencing. So, he did have, as Clay says in the call,
a direct relationship with one or two of the victims. Well, like you said, anything in this call could have been a
lie. It could have be a ruse to throw people off the scent. And I'm trying to look here on the fly, Captain, to figure
out if Victor Gant was ever prosecuted or convicted of any of these these killings here.
But it doesn't look like, and this is not the most updated information, but the the most recent stuff I can find on this
individual is that number of victims, they put it at anywhere from zero to 27. So, he may not have been convicted of
any of these actual killings, but it does specify on some different websites that he is suspected of having
killed two or more of the women that are on this list. The interesting thing about Victor Gant as well, when it comes
to this list of of homicides here, is that he seems to match some kind of physical description
that was being tossed around in relation to some of these earlier murders that were taking place in and around the New
Orleans area in 1992. Mhm. So, the suspect sketch then, at that time, depicted depicted a large, muscular,
African-American man in his 30s, and Gant matched that physical that be it vague, but he matches that
physical description. So, who's this Russell Elwood? He is the individual that many believe
is Clay, the serial killer who called into the Howard Stern Show. He did go on trial in 1998 for two
murders that took place in 1993. This was the murders of Cheryl Lewis and Delores Mack. He was found in
The way that he was apprehended, okay? From my understanding, this dude worked as a cab driver for for quite some time.
I don't know if it was the full length or extent of when the killings were going on,
or if it was just for a a more brief period of time during the course of those killings. But, a couple
key things to know about Elwood is one, he was not from the New Orleans area. He
moved there after living here in Ohio for quite some time. And there's some information out there to suggest that he
was in Ohio for portions of these killings. That he may not have even been in the
area when some of these women were were abducted and killed. The way that he lands on the police
radar is one, taxi cab drivers are not uncommonly listed as suspects in these types of cases, especially when we're
talking about sex workers. So, his his job sort of sort of fits what you're looking for, because everybody willingly
gets into a taxi cab, and so it's easy to come up with victims. But, they arrest him, they find him,
police see his vehicle in the middle of the night out in an area where they've recovered at least two bodies by this
point, and they find him there sitting alone in his car, and they question him. You know, just
the basic question of, "Well, sir, why are you here?" While police knowing, "Hey, we've recovered bodies in this
area, and it wouldn't be uncommon for a serial killer to return to the area, or maybe he's here because he's getting
ready to dump another victim that he has in the trunk of his car. Yeah, that makes sense.
He claims, first of all, he's not fully dressed, which I I wish they would offer
up more detail on that, because if it's 90° out and he's just not wearing a shirt, that doesn't seem extremely
suspicious to me, uh but they say in the report that he's not not fully dressed.
Flickering, flickering. And that he claims that he's in this area because he's going to change the
oil in the vehicle and change the brake pads on the vehicle. And he wanted to be
out there because he could dump the used oil out in this area, and you know, without
anybody having concern about it. You know, you're supposed to properly dispose of
used oil, and he wanted to just dump it on the side of the road. Well, police are extra suspicious, because then they
search his vehicle. I guess they're hoping to either find drugs or maybe a victim that they can save. Uh you know,
they got a lot of suspicions when they're approaching his vehicle. They don't find anything of that nature, but
what they also don't find is brake pads or oil or tools to do any of the work that he claims he's going to do. Again,
he's out in near a field in pitch black area. He doesn't have any uh lighting to
assist him in in doing any of this work. So, they know they've caught him in in a
lie. Got him. Now, they need to know not only, "Why are you here?" but two, "Why
are you in this area and then lying about why you would be here?" So, he looks extremely suspicious, but again,
we have to we have to note here that he is it's proven that during the course of
some of these murders, when some of these murders took place, he was not in New Orleans. He was not in the state of
Louisiana. Well, like you said, there's probably multiple killers responsible for the the sum total of the What do you
say? 27? Yeah, 20 26 is the list that I have, and eventually Elwood was charged and I believe convicted in both of the
two that he was charged with. I say that with a little hesitation, Captain, because I know that there's been some
question marks on one of those two homicides over the years that there's been some information coming forward
that he he may not have been in the area for both of those murders. It looks to me like this this Russell Elwood is good
for for several of these. He also claimed to I know we don't like jailhouse snitches.
The people that he was locked up with, Elwood would fit good with Clay, too, because he had multiple drug convictions
in multiple states before he was ever charged with any of these murders. So, that would make sense
to me, too, if that he wants to kind of shy away from that in the in the portion
of questioning on the Stern Show. But, when he was locked up in jail in in Florida
facing some kind of charges there, these weren't murder charges, we had inmates telling law enforcement
that this is what this dude told us he was up to. And apparently, if we are to believe these jailhouse
snitches, what they're claiming is that Russell Elwood told them that his thing was he liked to
he liked to pick up his uh a street walker. He he would get them to do drugs, whatever their drug of choice
was. I could be heroin, crack cocaine, what have you. But, he would get them to shoot up. He wanted them to overdose
in his in his presence. And sometimes I think he's having sex with them while they're overdosing, and then he has to
uh if they don't completely overdose, then he has to kill them by other means after the fact, and that he just kind of
left his victims on the side of the road because he had no real attachment to them. There was no nothing connecting
him connecting victim to perpetrator in those cases. So, he didn't feel compelled to conceal the bodies or go to
any great lengths or efforts to kind of conceal the bodies. Now, that doesn't really fall in line with what Clay
tells Howard on the phone. Mhm. Because Clay says that most of them he killed with a hammer, and one of them he
strangled, where the jailhouse snitches are telling us that oh, well, Elwood liked to make them overdose, having sex
with them while they're overdosing, and with some of them he I think one of the victims he she didn't die, so he drowned
her. One of them, I believe he claimed that he that he strangled her, but at no point in any of those in any of that
information could I find the use of a hammer, which seems to be what Clay is saying that he's done with with most of
the victims. I could see his voice matching his picture. What what I think is probably most likely in this situation,
again, when we talk about this list of 20 26 victims here, uh we're probably have a situation where we have multiple
multiple perpetrators. Victor Gant's probably responsible for a couple, maybe two to four of these. Russell Elwood's
probably responsible for a handful of these murders as well. And this Clay individual who called in could be who he
says he is, and some of his victims could be on this list as well. And it's just a uh a tricky a tricky
situation here. Now, on the Stern Show, we do know that it's not uncommon for them to have fake phone calls. Right.
In fact, they they employ people that call the Howard Stern Show pretending to be legit callers. Somebody starts making
prank phone calls to them, and they're so entertaining that they offer them jobs.
Yeah, and so they would off they would regularly have these fake calls. But, one thing I want to say about that is
that Howard typically will move on from those calls relatively quickly. Like, unless they're home run comedy smash
hits, he moves on from those calls very quickly. And a lot of times, especially in the last 10 15 years,
he's also quick to point out well, not quick to point out, but toward the the end of the phone call,
he'll point out that it's somebody in the back, you know, that it's one of their staff and they've they've come up
with something, because that might become a character that you will regularly hear on the show going
forward, because it was such a smash hit. Now, a long time listener here telling you, I don't know of a situation
where somebody claims to be calling in with a serious matter. There's nothing more serious than discussing the taking
of one's life. I I can't recall knowing of a fake call to be saying something of that weight,
of that gravity. So, now, is it out of the realm of possibility? No. Because we know that he was was and is a
shock jock and who knows what lengths they would go to to shock the audience, to grow the audience, or keep the
audience. But, I have a feeling here that if this is a fake call, then Clay is the fake
is the is the fake here, not somebody calling in from the back, that this is not a manufactured call from somebody on
the Stern staff. Well, I also put a little weight to the fact that they've never discussed it afterwards. Like I
said, they could have been caught, they could have been contacted by New Orleans police, maybe even a a
lawyer, and and maybe that's one of the reasons why they've they've never discussed it afterwards. Or, on the flip
side, they realized it was a fake and that's why they've never brought it up again. Now, I would believe Captain that
the BSU from the FBI would tell Stern and the local serial murder task force that they had established there in New
Orleans at the time, this guy talking is our best weapon. We want to keep him talking. So, let's have
him reach out. Let's give him a Let's put him on speed dial so he can reach out and communicate with Stern or
somebody on the local level because he seems to want to talk and he's going to be able to offer up some clues if in
fact he is who he says he is. And we've kind of been discussing this, gearing up and getting ready for this
and I think we both uh have similar thoughts and opinions. No strong gut feeling either way. If I had to bet,
I would say that Clay is an actual serial killer. I think that's because the devil's in the details and how
quickly he comes up with those details. And also, I find it interesting on how many times that he corrects Howard. And
so, when he says like, "Oh, well, I I originally wrote some notes and tried to put out some clues and and
and wanted to get some press." And and then when Howard like contradicts him on that, he he repeats,
"Oh, no, no, I originally wanted that. I originally wanted fame." I think if you're if he was lying to
Howard about that, and then Howard went in a different direction, you wouldn't Maybe maybe you wouldn't
double down, but maybe you'd just move on and just let let him be incorrect. Again, the other reason why I would lean
towards or if I had to bet that he is telling the truth is when they state New Orleans and how
shocked he seems. And almost where I'm not even going to deny that. They must know somehow that
I'm from New Orleans and so I have to give up that information. And he doesn't seem initially like he wanted to give
that up. Where I question myself here, Captain, is whether this caller is in fact who he
says he is. I I think he's probably legit if I had to if I had to just give a simple answer,
that would be it. But, a a longer, less simple answer would be one, I'm a little
shocked at how long he stayed on the phone if he is who he says he is, because he
doesn't strike me to be dumb or ignorant to the fact that there's law enforcement
looking for him. So, I'm a little surprised at at how long he stays on the call itself. And I
also wouldn't be surprised if he's fluffed his numbers a little bit, where he says I've killed 12, but maybe he's
not killed that many people. Maybe he he he still could be who he says he is and not have killed 12
people. And like always, we want to hear your thoughts and opinions on the episode.
So, go to truecrimegarage.com and make sure you leave a comment on the blog. Colonel, do we have any
recommended reading for this week? That's right. Thank you, Captain, and we want to thank everybody who has posted
questions and comments on the blog throughout this wonderful year. It's been a It's been a busy and exciting
blog at truecrimegarage.com. This week we have a great recommendation for your eyeballs, a little recommended
listening. If you have not already, well, then make sure you go and check out the Missing Persons podcast by our
friends over at Abjack Entertainment. True Crime Garage and Abjack have been friends for years. Mike Morford, who
many of you will remember joined us on our Zodiac episodes, and I'll put the Colonel's stamp on this, there is no
better person on this big blue marble to talk Zodiac with than Mike Morford. And
also a big player over at Abjack is one that has helped us out here at True Crime Garage for a long time, Jessica
Bettencourt. She has worked here behind the scenes for several years and she has
done some wonderful gangbusters work for us and for Abjack. We are recommending that everyone check out the Missing
Persons podcast because we paired up with them to feature one of our most recent cases titled Paige Coffee. Paige
has been missing from the greater Cleveland area since May of 2019. Her family, True Crime Garage, and the
Missing Persons podcast are asking for your help. We need to locate her. We need answers and we are determined to
get justice for Paige and her family. True Crime Garage released the Paige Coffee episode last week on December 7th
and this past Saturday, the Missing Persons podcast released a Paige Coffee episode as well. They are two very
different shows and I encourage everyone to listen to both, especially if you live in Ohio or the surrounding states
because again, we need some help. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to Jessica and Mike and happy holidays to you all
and everyone and we will see you back here in the garage next week. Until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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Longtime listeners of one of the world’s most popular and longest running radio shows have always been very creeped out by a call that came into the Howard Stern show more than 20 years ago. People have been fascinated by this call and it’s still talked about today. Back in 1997 a man calling himself “Clay” called the Howard Stern show saying he has killed 12 women and he wants to kill more. Renewed interest in this call really started popping up this last summer and here at the Garage we started receiving emails from those of you that wanted to hear the “Clay” call again. This week we crack a couple of Christmas beers and analyze the “Serial Killer Phone Call.” Merry Christmas to all and Cheers from the Garage boys!

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Brief Summary

A man claiming to be a serial killer confesses to Howard Stern, discussing his murders of sex workers in New Orleans.

Key points

A Chilling Confession. A man named Clay claims to have killed 12 prostitutes, seeking power and control.
The Dark Humor of a Killer. The caller expresses a desire to live for entertainment, even amidst his crimes.
The Nature of Serial Killers. Serial killers are known liars, often embellishing their stories to benefit themselves.
The Ted Murders Investigation. During the investigation of Ted Bundy, the task force referred to the case as the Ted murders.
Live Show Announcement. Join us for a live show at BrewDog on February 19th, 2022, featuring a beer tasting and Q&A.
The Ski Mask Rapist's Call. A chilling phone call reveals the mindset of a serial killer.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I can't believe that McMahon's not laughing.

The caller's disturbing nonchalance about his actions.

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Tension

75/ 100High tension

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