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get to the Villa Farms to get that basket for Papa being you we get this message and go on out there I'll see you
in a bit sweetie love you [Music] bye did you ever hit her did you ever injure her no no my God no
um violence towards women and is unapproachable it is the most disgusting act to me um and I know that
uh suspicion has turned me and it's um it's turned to me one because I'm her husband and that's a natural thing and
um I I was answered your question because this is suspicion that that's been turned to me and it turned to me
because of the inner propriate romantic um that I had with Amber Fred and yes he
confirmed he did have the affair why were you doing it I I can't answer I don't know that's a a question you should have
an answer to definitely I I don't know but you in love with her no I'd have to say that I respect
her and as I imagine everyone does after seeing her come out and do the press conference an amazing character she had
was this the first time are there others out there no there's no one else who can
come forward no you know our romantic relationship and that is a it it's inappropriate it it was inappropriate
and I owe mendous apology to everyone obviously including Amber and her family and her
friends and and our families should have been it should have been brought forth by me immediately the the Romantic
relationship had you told anyone did you tell police told the police immediately
when that was uh the first night we're together the police I spent um with the police you told them about her yeah from
December 24th on did your wife find out about it I told my wife when um early December did it cause a rupture in the
marriage it was not um a positive obviously it's a you know inappropriate um but it was
not something that we weren't um dealing with a lot of arguing no no um I I you know I can't say
that that even you know she was okay with the idea but uh it wasn't anything that
would break us apart there wasn't a lot of anger no do you really expect people to
believe that an eight and a half Monon pregnant woman learns her husband has had an affair and is saintly and Casual
about it accommodating makes a peace with it well I yeah I you don't know no one
knows our relationship but us um and that's at peace with it not happy about it why did you tell
her it was the right thing there's no other reason than that and did you see her again after you
told Lacy yes you saw Amber again I did but didn't tell her didn't tell Lacy didn't tell Amber no
no no yeah that was definitely not the right thing because again you know that people sitting at home have
imagine that either you were in love with someone else therefore you decided to get rid of this entanglement namely
your wife and your child or there was just an angry confrontation [Music] Modesto California is a beautiful city
the weather and the proximity to the ocean make it a great place to live a great place to raise a family and grow
old violent crime is very low in Modesto but keep your vehicle parked in the garage if you can as modest esto has one
of the highest percentages of vehicle thefts in our nation Lacy Denise Roa was born in
1975 the daughter of Sharon and Dennis Lacy grew up in Modesto her parents split up when she was very young and her
mother went on to remarry her stepfather was a Dairy Farmer so Lacy was raised on
a farm now she had an older brother Brent and a younger Half Sister Amy Lacy was a cheerleader in high school and
majored in horiculture at California poly Tech Institute in St Louis abiso Scott Lee Peterson was born in 1972 in
San Diego California to Lee Arthur Peterson a businessman who owned a crate packaging company and Jackie Helen laam
who owned a boutique called the put on Lee and Jackie had six children from previous relationships Scott was their
only child together oh almost like the Brady punch now Scott took to playing golf at an early age a result of time
spent with his father by age 14 he could beat his father in a round of golf for a
time he had dreams of becoming a professional golfer like Phil mikkelson who was his teammate at the University
of San Diego High School by the end of high school he was one of the top Junior golfers in San Diego and in 1990
Peterson enrolled at Arizona State University where melson had also enrolled on a partial golf scholarship
Michelson would go on to become a very highly successful PGA golfer and later Lee Peterson would state that his son
was discouraged by the considerable competition that mikkelson presented at Arizona State So eventually Scott
Peterson would transfer out of Arizona State and he found his way to California Polytech State University where as
stated Lacy was attending school he initially planned a major in international business but changed his
major to agricultural business professors who toau Scott described him as a model student and his agrs
Professor Jim Ahern commented I wouldn't mind having a class full of Scott Petersons so Scott and Lacy met while
they were both attending Cal Paulie Scott was working as a waiter at the Pacific Cafe Scott took Lacy's order and
she was so attracted to him that she asked a friend to give Peterson her phone number they began dating and on
their first date they went deep sea fishing in which Lacy got seasick well that should have been a sign to her the
couple dated for 2 years and eventually moved in together now in 1997 after Lacy
graduated they married at Sycamore Mineral Springs Resort Scott would have to stay in college and finish his senior
year meanwhile Lacy took a job after Scott graduated the Petersons opened up a sports bar called the shack the
business was initially slow but eventually improved especially on weekends the Petersons later sold the
shack in 2000 when they moved to Lacy's hometown of Modesto to start their family in October of 2000 they purchased
a three-bedroom home for $177,000 on Cina Avenue in an upscale neighborhood near Loma Park Lacy started
working part-time as a substitute teacher Scott got a job at trade Corp USA a newly founded subsidiary of a
Spanish fertilizer Company the company was trying to establish a customer base in the US and hired Scott as their West
Coast representative mhm working on a salary plus commission base Peterson sold fertilizer irrigation systems
chemical nutrients and related products to big farms and flower Growers primarily in California Arizona and New
Mexico Lacy she worked enthusiastically at being the perfect housewife enjoying cooking and entertaining their friends
in 2002 she was excited when she found out she was pregnant the baby was due February 10th
2003 now on December 24th 2002 it's Christmas Eve and Lacy was 8 months pregnant with the couple's first child
whom they had already named Connor the nursery was ready for the baby painted blue and decorated with a nautical theme
according to Scott he and Lacy woke together at their home in Modesto California after eating breakfast and
watching some TV Scott was going to spend part of the day fishing he left the house at 9:30 a.m. just before
leaving Scott was seen in the driveway loading umbrellas into his truck mhm like the outside umbrellas he had three
of them and he was going to take them to his Warehouse he had a warehouse that he
would work out of and we know it was him because it was the next door neighbor that saw him and they exchanged a quick
wave hello mhm Lacy told him she was going to mop the floor take the dog for a walk you know do some normal household
things yeah they have a party a family party they're going to attend to later that day now Scott first drove to his
nearby Warehouse to send emails and retrieve his boat mhm so this Warehouse is where he worked out of and Not only
would he read some and send some emails but he also assembled something for work
yeah it was a saw after he hooks up the boat in the trailer to his truck he's going to head out to Berkeley Marina
which is about 86 miles away Scott goes fishing for about 90 minutes then at 2:17 p.m. Scott left this voicemail on
Lacy's cell phone hi beautiful I just left you a message at home 25 I'm leaving Berkeley I won't be able to get
to Villa Farms to get the basket for Papa I was hoping you would get this message and go out there I'll see you in
a little bit sweetie I love you bye Scott returned his boat to the warehouse he did stop off for gas and then he went
home to an empty house and he showered he says he got home around or about 4:30 Scott noticed Lacy's vehicle still at
the house as well as her purse and car keys Scott did some laundry wash in the clothes he wore that day as they were
dirty from working and fishing about an hour passes and Scott said that he just assumed Lacy went to her mother's house
that the Mother-in-law would come by and picked her up so he calls his mother-in-laws asking and looking for
his wife she says he's not there and then a half an hour later Lacy Lacy's stepfather called 911 to report that
Lacy was missing of course we should say that the neighbor f found their dog the
Peterson's dog still wearing a leash and wandering in front of the house by itself uh there's conflicting reports on
what I could find as to an exact time of what time the neighbor believes they found the dog but what I have is that it
was in the 11:00 I'm sorry 10:00 to 11:00 hour yeah a lot of people suspect based on her uh receipts and errands
that she ran that day it would have been about 1018 the police were acting on this call this missing person's call
immediately and Scott first met Modesto Police on the day that Lacy went missing
at a nearby park where he was there supposedly looking for Lacy uh this was a park where she was known to have
walked the dog and as Lacy's husband Scott was immediately on the police's Radar Now police gave Scott
opportunities to be forthcoming with information and and Scott was Cooperative at least in the beginning
Scott allowed them to search their home this was very quickly after Lacy was reported missing right the authorities
also searched Peterson's pickup truck toolbox warehouse and boat now Scott answered their questions I guess the
best that he could police noted Scott's strange Behavior such as how he couldn't
remember the kind of bait he was using when he was supposedly out there fishing that morning right nor did he know what
kind of fish he was fishing for so well on top of that his boat is made for fresh water and he was in the San
Francisco Bay which is saltwater so I think a little explanation is needed here um we have this this man Scott
Peterson who says that on Christmas Eve rather than spending the day with my wife who's expecting our child I decided
to go out fishing now we can't we're not going to crucify anybody for that okay maybe that was man maybe that was
something that was agreed upon between the two of them and uh he was eager to try out this boat or to be out on the
boat and fishing the thing that's strange here though for me Captain is he's out by himself and again he doesn't
know what kind of bait he's using he doesn't know what kind of fish he's fishing for um well on on top of that
you have a boat that is again made for fresh water and you're in saltwater and it's also a
9t Long Boat I believe and and it's not that type of boat is not commonly used in that type of water not not just the
salt water but in the conditions that the San Francisco Bay is normally in it's not meant for that and it's not
like you said it's not a very big boat and the other thing too I remember when news of this story broke I just assumed
that Scott was a Avid fisherman and it turns out that he's he's not he he doesn't you know he's not a weekend
warrior that goes out all the time no but he he did fish in his past and that that was something people did know that
he has done right right but like I said my expectations when the when the news broke was I was like oh well this guy
probably goes out all fishing all the time they're calling this into question and maybe it shouldn't be called into
question the guy didn't didn't know what kind of fish he was fishing for in that
area nor what bait to use during that particular trip but what he could offer up was uh proof that he was on his boat
and he that he went to the Berkeley Marina and evidence of such was a launch ticket receipt from the marina right
because you have to put your boat into the water and so when you when you go to do that you have to get a launch ticket
now what's important in this story is to know what is said and it's the little details so let's just stay with on
December 24th the call is made to the mother and father-in-law Scott's going to call his mother and father-in-law
they're the ones that that are going to call 911 saying hey our daughter's missing she's been missing since roughly
930 our son-in-law went golfing mhm okay they didn't say he went fishing he says
he went fishing they say he went golfing mhm Scott then goes next door and start
knocking on the neighbors asking if anybody's seen Lacy nobody has seen her he goes to the park this is when he
meets up with the police officers they take him downtown now normally in a missing person case when they're talking
to the husband they don't record the initial interview but for whatever reason that day the police decided we're
going to um record this in that they ask him is there any problems with the marriage he says absolutely none they
say say do you mind taking a polygraph the following day on Christmas he says no problem at all I will take one right
and we also know that they searched the Peterson house that day as well yeah so let's go through that a little bit in
better detail so there are a lot of reports out there I lead into that Captain but I say
there are a lot of reports out there there's like a million different stories you know online newspaper this was huge
news it's not even just fair to say big news this was this was known in other countries um and followed by people in
other countries well and a lot of thatc is because there's a normally a very slow news cycle around the holidays and
so when this broke when this story broke a lot of reporters were thinking hey this is this is our next OJ this is our
next John Benet Ramsey case well and the thing here too is in some of those reports actually in a good amount of
those reports that I read says Peterson reported his wife as missing Peterson reported Lacy missing and we you and I
know that not to be true now that may not mean anything in the grand scheme of things but just so we're clear he's not
the one that called police it was in fact his father-in-law which again I think you can't look into too much
because hey uh I'm a little nervous let's call the cops and Scott says okay well I'll go next door and start
knocking on the doors and the other thing too is where and even I said it this way uh Scott met the officers at
the park where Lacy typically would walk the dog my understanding of it is that his father-in-law Lacy's stepfather
insisted that they send an officer over to that area to that neighborhood to ask
Scott for the details so I don't know I can't say say 100% if Scott willingly knew he was meeting the police officer
or officers at the park or like you said he's out looking in the neighborhood for
his wife and happens to come across the officer that was sent by The Stepfather who insisted that the officers go out
there so basically the story that Scott is telling that we can there's some evidence that possibly he's telling the
truth I mean he talks about uh what they did in the morning what he did when he got home so when he talks about like she
was going to mop and when he got home he found the mop in the bucket so he dumps
out the the bucket and uh puts the mop back in but he leaves it outside that's something that the police found at their
home right uh they also find the bed is made they find the clothes that she supposedly was wearing the day before or
in the hamper uh they find a bench that is out and you know hair tools to that's probably the worst way to call
it hair tools I I saw one you put your hair tools away I saw one report that it was a curling iron other Reports say
maybe it was uh curls curlers right gu you would say I also believe that he says you know I might ate a piece of
pizza for breakfast but I ate one when I got home from fishing when I took a shower they find his clothes in the
washer they find evidence that he did have pizza at some point so yeah the I guess a pizza box
was found either on the counter or on the table right and then I believe he also explains to him I found the dog in
the backyard with the leash on mhm so some of these things that he is stating parts of the story that he believes
happened uh there's evidence of such yes and further Evidence would be that Scott
shows the police his work computer at some some point and their law enforcement they saw the timestamped
work emails yeah eventually they're going to go to his Work Warehouse the first time that they go to the Work
Warehouse he claims that the power is out now maybe it was maybe it wasn't uh but they ended up opening up the there's
a I I believe the way it works and they they say it's in a strip mall but I think it's more of a like one of these
smaller Warehouse strips and so you have a a door that goes into your office and
you then you have almost like a bay you have a a garage door that would come up yeah it it looks exactly like that that
it's a big Warehouse that's separated into these smaller units that are rented out or it's some kind of storage
facility you know some people work out of those self storage units the two big things here though that we can prove
he's not lying about is the big actions of his day one he did go to work as he said and to he was definitely on his
boat at some point that day and I believe that Marina ticket was for I think it was
11:30ish uh that day and then they're guessing that he was on the boat for about about 90 minutes yeah the police
checked the computers at the house as well now here is something interesting Scott said that he thought Lacy was
doing some online shopping that morning the morning that she went missing and police check her computer and they are
able to confirm that Lacy had in fact done some shopping uh that there was a purchase made on her computer and this
would have been at like 8 to 8:30 that morning yeah and police also were told by Scott that Lacy was watching Martha
Stewart when he had left the house yeah and he actually knew some of these details as well about about what they
were talking about during the show now Captain two things that I want to point out one with the police response
they immediately went into action and you talked about hey they usually don't you know sit people down to a conf you
know formal interview and videotape the interview but as you were about to say we both believe that they went into an
immediate response because this is an 8mon pregnant woman um and that's likely what drove them to go into this so
quickly now regarding their interview with Scott Peterson and reporing this interview part of me has to wonder if
you have her parents saying well he came back from golfing and noticed that his wife was not home and missing and he's
telling police that he went out fishing well regardless of how that went down or
how the parents came to believe that he was out golfing immediately that's a huge red flag this guy may not have been
where he claimed to have been even if it's that he told somebody else he went golfing
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here is where things could get a little tricky okay because apparently there was
a robbery at one of the Peterson's neighbors house now some of these reports say Christmas Eve but we have
the police that would say the home across the street owned by Rudy and Suzanne Madina was robbed two days after
Lacy disappeared there are several witnesses that would say the robbery happened and occurred on December 24th
the day that Lacy went missing right now we also have a neighbor this is Diane Jackson who says she saw three
suspicious looking men at the madina's house police later arrested two men in connection to the robbery yeah some have
suggested that the police should have treated the men as possible suspects and Lacy's and Connor's
disappearance we also have sightings of Lacy after Scott left the house at 9:30 a.m. back to the guys that broke into
the house once they kind of knew that they were had right like we're going to get in trouble for breaking into this
house they both stated we had nothing to do with the pregnant girl MH we had nothing to do with that right because
they're seeing this on the news at this time and probably panicking even if it was in fact two days after one also
could wonder why do we not know if it's the 24th 25th or 26th well the problem was that the people that lived in that
house they left they went you know somewhere else for the holidays so they were gone for a few days so that's
another reason why there's discrepancy there regarding the sightings of lacy there were 11 witnesses that said that
they saw Lacy on Christmas Eve morning some claiming to have seen her walking her dog now this is a bold statement and
it doesn't actually seem so bold once you dive into it a bit because Captain 11 people coming forward saying we saw
this woman who goes missing after her husband left the house for the day and we saw her walking her dog that's 11
people right right I couldn't find 11 actual reports of people saying I saw Lacy Peterson walking her dog after 9:30
what reports I could find were things like this we have one report where a woman states that she saw a woman
walking her dog who was involved in some kind of verbal altercation with some men
this woman decides not to report this not to offer any help but later reports that it's lacy Peterson walking her dog
in actuality she reports having seen a woman walking her dog right we also have reports that state a Woman matching that
description and a dog matching that description were seen by people later that day so we don't have anybody
specifically that I could find now my caveat here is I did not find all 11 reports but at no point did I find
anybody stating naming her by name so I question a lot of these sightings and again we have discrepancy as to when a
home was broken into uh what day that could have taken place there's a lot going on at the holidays there's a lot
going on in this investigation there are people that not are not spoken to immediately
and sometimes we have a hard time getting things confused about dates and times well on top of that it's not like
she just walked the dog that day and that's the only day she's ever walked a dog she typically walked the dog every
day so we also have police questioning Scott Peterson's Behavior things that he's doing things that he's not doing
yeah and why his face looks like a turtle I think we should talk about Scott's demeanor and the way that the
police regard this is they State he looks extremely casual during the times we spoke with him during the questioning
and what they mean by that is at no point is he fists to the table saying let's get back out there and look for my
wife you know what are you doing to find my wife he's just sitting back very casually in his chair he's almost you
know he's not even leaning forward to uh be aggressive towards the officers anyway he's if you watch the the videos
he's very relaxed and he seems like he almost seems tired yeah I mean well he did have a long day but on top of that
it's I think he's trying to be cooperative MH but I don't know I mean I I guess you're supposed to be yelling
and screaming at people to find your wife I don't know that you are I'm just kind of thinking how I think it would go
down if I were in that situation and yeah but I think that's where we get in trouble with some of these stuff as we
go oh what there there's a difference between somebody acting odd and somebody not acting the way you would act you
know I mean I agree but I still found his I find him to be acting strangely one and and this is not just me stating
this this is the police saying this as well we we didn't understand his behavior he was overly casual he also
didn't offer up where or what the police should and how they should prioritize their investigation you know where where
should we be looking for her Scott right uh is there anybody that we should be talking to does she have any you know he
doesn't have any information to offer them now Scott does in his defense as you stated earlier he does agree to take
a polygraph test apparently the way this goes down is next day he's going to take
it the next day yeah but I think I don't know that that's at his request or at the police's request but but the end
result is that he ends up calling them the next morning and says yeah I'm not coming in for that polygraph test right
now and at this point he gets a lawyer yes and and again I should be you know you're you're doing a good job of um
presenting the other side or trying to understand the other side and I do want to be clear here because I've said
plenty of times on this show that if I were in the situation I would not agree to a polygraph you have nothing to gain
in my opinion so I don't want it to sound like I'm fault faulting him you know where the police did very verbally
and publicly State hey look this guy won't even take a polygraph test well I think it's a little that's their words
yeah but I think I I think the difference is when you got a individual that's very calm answering your
questions you think he's being truthful yeah you say hey do you mind taking a polygraph he says absolutely not and
then the next day he says absolutely I'm not going to take one I changed my mind
I changed my mind and all by the way I'm going to get a lawyer so that's I mean again and
but some of his story just starts not lining up well I I think Captain what I see is a guy that uh he's a squirmer he
in any kind of verbal situation well if he needs to he I think he thinks he can squirm his way out of it yeah but
squirm I don't know if squirm is the right way because because he you know he's so fat Joe right lean back Lean
Back Lean Back that that when people ask him questions he takes his time you know what I mean and so by
doing that he he can get out of the answer he can he can just manipulate the the phrasing here and
there does that make any sense um I I see both I see a guy that that squirms his way out of answers and squirms his
way into new answers as well as somebody that that's not um no I get that part what I'm saying is he doesn't do it
super quickly it's not like he jumps on you know he's he tries to stay level the
whole time I mean yes is he switching answers here and there yes but he tries to stay level because he I think he
thinks in his head I'm smarter than these people I just stay cool and calm and I'll outsmart them I also think that
he didn't think he was going to have to answer so many questions or be under the microscope so right because
he established a alibi the other thing that I found to be a strange interaction was the police come back and yeah they
looked at the home and walked through the home and the way that I think that that went down that it was a rather
quick brief walk around yeah he did show them the home and rooms of that home the
night that she went missing or the you know the Christmas Eve right um they come back and we need to do a detailed
search we need to bring in forensics we need to do everything we can and we really need to search this home top to
bottom Scott Peterson right and he says to him well you know I can't allow you to do that without my lawyer present or
or without permission from my attorney and well actually what they did is they got a search
warrant and then when they went to a right right they set him up they set him up 100% And that's the thing they said
yeah Scott we don't need your permission here's our warrant we're going to be they just wanted to see his reaction
right they wanted to see if they would agree to search and he was pretty smug about saying n you know probably not
going to let you do that and they go well cool we don't need your uh permission anyways cuz we got a search
warrant you piece of [ __ ] well let's talk about this boat uh that Scott owned because I have found this boat is a
debate of great argument did Scott buy this boat and try to keep it a secret from Lacy and her family that's one
thought and then there are others that say no he did not um so what we do know is this the boat was purchased with cash
just a few weeks before Lacy went missing so Scott paid $1,400 for the boat the trailer and a bunch of pretty
good grade fishing equipment now the fishing equipment is interesting here because Scott actually looked at three
boats he considered purchasing one of these three boats right this boat from my understanding Captain is the only one
that included good fishing equipment or any fishing equipment at all and what what people would say about that is that
when given the option if you're buying a boat right with the intention of using it for the sole purpose of dumping a
body or getting rid of a body you might wanted to get the a bigger boat than this small boat it might be easier to do
that in the bigger boat but no he chose the small boat with fishing equipment or
you might want to have purchased the cheaper boat the cheapest boat that didn't include any fishing equipment
because you're just using you're not going to use it for fishing right but in the end he did buy the boat with the
fishing equipment some people point out that that shows some intention or what his intentions were for the use of
thatat that proves nothing well of course but we we're here to debate it right no no I'm that's not a debate that
proves nothing he bought a boat with cash that's all it proves there was some things added onto that boat a
trailer you know some fishing LS that doesn't show his intent for the boat at all the owner of the boat uh sold the
boat to Scott he was the one that requested that Scott pay him cash for the boat now the boat the uh I'm sorry
the cash was deducted from a joint bank account which he shared with Lacy now there's also stories that Lacy went to
the warehouse where the boat was stored when the boat was stored there yeah it was a a few days before she went missing
she had to use the restroom and I don't think these warehouses had their own restrooms uh that's what I'm guessing
because she had to have somebody that worked at the warehouse take her to the restroom that's how they have a
eyewitness that said hey we saw Lacy here a few days before she went missing right so people then claim if that's
true she knew about the boat again she may not even even gone into that particular Warehouse into the the unit
that the boat was stored right and he might never opened up the garage door she might never have seen the boat so
that is not proof that she knew there was a boat Scott purchased a registered boat rather
than one that was not registered people would state that that might be evidence that he wasn't trying to keep this boat
secret okay but nobody in the family knew about the boat right there's no person and and again you can speculate
that Lacy was at the warehouse so she knew about the boat or that he pulled money from their joint account and she
knew about the boat we have no proof there is no evidence that she knew of this boat correct there's only Scott
stating that she knew about the boat all right and again let's just let's just get this on the table throughout the
rest of the show we're going to show the million lies that he has told so just because he says anything I will not
believe it so again there is zero proof that Lacy Peterson knew about this boat that he was storing at uh his work
facility and here's the other thing too there's a chance that Lacy I don't know their financial situation but there's a
chance that she may not notice $1,400 missing from their joint account there's also a chance that he pulled out the
money and told her he had to use it for something else right this is a known liar on top of that she is um substitute
teacher they don't make that great of money I mean all teachers period are underpaid shout out to all the teachers
you're doing great work keep it up the captain approves so if he's making more money than her and again he has to pull
it out hey honey I needed to use it for this or honey I needed to use it for this I mean there is again there's zero
proof that she knew about this boat well and an obvious lie that he could tell her is he traveled for work you know and
there are expenses that come with that and he could say look I'm I haven't been reimbursed for these expenses yet or I
need to spend this money for work for this purpose and they are going to reimburse me soon right again he's but
he's a known liar who knows what lie he he he told her or could have told her Scott would later tell Lacy's mother
that Lacy knew about the boat and the reason why she and he kept the boat secret was because the boat was
purchased for a gift for Lacy's father yeah and it's Tech techically her her stepfather right but her parents got
split up so she was very young she was raised by this man yeah and so it was going to be a gift again I
think she could have told a friend or or or another family member about this this
present you'd think they would be she'd be so excited you know to keep a secret for a few weeks you know who knows well
that's that's interesting that you say that because because regardless if it was a gift or not this is not a boat
that she that Lacy discussed with anybody with any of her friends with any of her family and that's why I said
people have to keep in their mind that there is zero evidence there's zero proof that she knew about this boat I
actually think that had she known about the boat uh depending on how often she was hanging out with friends or family I
think it would have came up and and what I mean by that is we have a guy that's golfing a lot he also travel for work a
lot and they have a baby on the way I I would think whether it be husband or wife that they the person on the
receiving end of that is going well he golfs a lot he's away for work at times we got a baby on the way and now he just
bought a boat right right or or the fact that your babies do you know in a month
month and a half and and you're spending this extra money that we don't need to spend on a boat okay
yeah and her father her stepfather however you want to look at it he already had a boat and this guy was an
avid fisherman right he had a big nice fishing boat he didn't have this little boat that Scott Peterson had purchased
for $1,400 well again this is a [ __ ] story and this is why because if I you know bought a a boat for U my father
let's say I don't have that kind of cash but if I oh [ __ ] I would he doesn't deserve a boat but if I had the cash
right and I bought the boat I'm not testing out the boat I'm not oh well you know uh yeah I went on
my boat again you're telling a bunch of people you're telling law enforcement you're telling all these people you went
out on your boat but but then later you go well but it it's not really my boat we bought it for Lacy's father okay give
me a break it's one or the other right it's either your boat or it's his boat and if it's his boat you're not going to
take it out Christmas Eve that's that's kind of falling into the realm of what you would do compared to what you think
would be odd behavior and and as well as it's not proof that he right but what I
find odd behavior is calling it your boat then saying it was actually for somebody else okay that's what I find to
be odd behavior the FBI in the Modesto Police Department depart performed forensic searches of the Peterson home
the FBI also conducted mitochondrial DNA testing on a hair that was found in pliers on uh Peterson's fishing boat
that linked them to hairs recovered from Lacy's hairbrush right should we go into
detail about that cuz I don't think it's just that cut and dried is it because what we do know about these hairs or
this hair was they state that they belong some reports state that they belong to Lacy Peterson
right the truth of the matter is what they could prove was they didn't belong to Scott they're close enough is what
law enforcement said they the wording is they're consistent with hairs uh belonging to Lacy Peterson so they can't
rule her out but at the same token they probably could include a whole bunch of other people uh as not being able to
rule them out you're right and then the people on the other side will say hey this is uh the guy's wife he should have
hairs on him hairs of her uh on his shirt hairs of him or hairs of her in his car hairs of her on a boat which we
don't even know if she knew about or saw yes if you're married to somebody and you spend a bunch of time with them
you probably have some hairs of theirs on you right that doesn't mean you're going to find their hair in
pliers so I I think this is a damning piece of evidence but let's continue what the other thing that I thought was
interesting that they found in his Warehouse was the concrete there was a a wood area almost like a wood bench they
found a homemade anchor that he made for his boat and basically what you'd do is
you'd take um concrete mix put it in a little tub add the water stir that up and then you put either
like a hook or you take a piece of like rebar and you bend that and you put that
into the concrete and then once it dries you pull it out of the tub right the interesting thing is he did make one we
have evidence that he made one we see one in his boat odd thing about that though is there's no rope attached to it
so I don't know if you know how anchors work but you can't just drop you know this heavy piece of concrete if it's not
not tied to a rope so he had this anchor that there was no rope with and they believe that he made more than one based
off the extra residue and the extra uh concrete is a powder that they think possibly he made four to five
maybe more yeah it depends on who you talk to so some would say he made one and others would say like you said as
many as four or five we have proof he made one for sure right of course but the where where the higher numbers come from
is that on that workbench there were Rings there were additional Rings uh where it looked like somebody had made
four or five of these and then a ring had dried like a residue ring had dried on this workbench indicating that he was
drying as many as four or five at one time or after shortly after they had dried I've never made one of these
molds in a in a bucket or a pitcher or whatever they want to claim they were made in I I've made concrete molds
before but not a homemade anchor okay can you pull you don't pull it out until it's dried though right yeah I mean you
could do it when it's like semi-dried I mean that's probably the best way cuz sometimes you can use like let's say
you're using like a old Tupperware or like a a plastic bowl that like maybe butter comes in mhm then if it dries it
doesn't matter you're just going to break that that bowl off but if you're going to reuse that bowl you pull it you
know pull it out a little earlier and then if you set it down somewhere to dry it could very likely leave a ring where
it was resting yeah okay so under that situation that's what they claim that there was enough rings on this workbench
to indicate that he had made four or five of these homemade anchors right and I I think it's really important keep in
your head that there is one of the anchors that he made in his boat that is not attached to anything no
rope I just think that's a important piece of evidence right I I do too and I think that's interesting that you point
that out I was unaware that there was no rope connecting it to Something in the boat or and here's here's why it's
important because if it's not tied and it's not being used as an anchor it's being used as something else and that's
all you need to know all right next next piece so we should point out at this point that from the moment of Lacy's
disappearance the Roka family Lacy's mother stepfather and brother and half sister repeatedly spoke to the media in
a teary eyed manner uh viewers have come to expect from loved ones in crisis the
family publicly supported her husband and defended his innocence The public's view of Scott Peterson was a different
story now on December 31st 2002 the town of Modesto held a public vigil for Lacy
and Connor Scott declined to speak at the vigil but he was in attendance and so were photographers who captured him
in what some would claim were two damning photos and one picture Scott bends down alongside his niece to set
down a candle a big smile comes across his face in a second picture he is standing with some people and laughing
now this Behavior at the vigil for his missing wife and unborn child uh we see received to be bad AE by this guy some
explained that Scott Peterson's demeanor was simply aloofness uh we do know as we
pointed out everyone handles things differently and there is no guide book on how to behave when one's 8mon
pregnant wife goes missing yeah and the difficult thing here though too is if you're at a event for hours and hours
it's somebody that you you know somebody that you care about are they going to come up maybe they say hey I'm sorry
we're going to find her hug it out and then they say something silly trying to make you laugh trying to make you smile
so that is a possibility and you get one or two pictures it's not like you got 5,000 pictures of this guy just you know
making jokes all day right but quickly there was media scrutiny there was Nancy Grace and the public did start to turn
on Scott and this was thought because he wasn't sad enough or he wasn't panicked
enough and in the general public for the most part they just didn't believe him well he's also not being out in front of
the media he's not not doing interviews he's not doing the press conferences it's almost like he doesn't want to be
seen and there's a lot of other weird stuff I mean if if you H if you haven't seen Gone Girl it's a great fictional
story but if that is not based off of this then I don't know what it's based off of I mean I think I think she
basically took that story and took the Scott Peterson Lacy Peterson story and ran with it they have a search site set
up one of the things that he was doing that I find particularly odd is that they're putting up all these
pictures of lacy and anytime there's a picture put up of him and her he's taking it down and when they' catch him
taking it down he'd go it's just too hard to look at this you mean you mean that because he's
not in front of the media that statement what the Gone Girl statement well no the I think the whole story of
Scott Peterson Lac Peterson I think they I think uh Gillian Flynn I believe is her name I think she took the whole idea
of this story and turned it into a book I mean we have a but wasn't that a fake disappearance it well spoiler alerts
well I mean you're but you're claiming that you that that one may have been taken from the other but they're
different stories not not the first half of it so sorry I was just trying to get some
clarification as to if you read the first half of the book it's pretty much the Scott Peterson story right that's
what I was asking you mean him not being forthcoming with the media him not getting out in front of the
media right right well yeah part partly that I mean look I mean typically when there's a missing wife it's the husband
that's doing all the press conferences saying hey help me find my wife mhm I mean we see that time and time again in
this case he's not even there he's not even on stage like they're doing a press conference and he's like no no I don't
want to be on stage right anytime that they for for the first week or so they're only showing pictures of her
because because he's controlling them because he's not letting the media have pictures of him and her together mhm so
again there's no rule r on how you're supposed to act how how you're supposed to act but I find that a little strange
of course of course and later we would learn that Scott Peterson did something else during Lacy and Connor's vigil as
well uh he called his girlfriend uh and this is Amber fry is it fry or fry fry okay let's go back though because the
visual the vigil I screw that word up every time is how many days afterwards well she was
according to Scott she was alive in well the morning of the 24th and the vigil was held on New Year's Eve on the 31st
right now I think this is something that people glaze over a lot two days after she goes missing Scott
Peterson he orders porn mhm and I think the day after he ordered porn he orders porn multiple times I
don't think he I don't think there's a record of him ever ordering porn before yeah I'm not certain how this works or
what he did exactly the way the the reports that I read was that he purchased two channels so I don't know
if that's just something you pay for on a monthly basis and it's there give me the Channel all the time yeah like I
need it 247 it doesn't it it's very clear to me Captain that this wasn't like he ordered a movie and then the
movie is starts and it finishes and then he's you know that's it and that's all because he then later Weeks Later
cancelled these two channels right so this is that's like me getting the NFL Network at some point you have to call
back and cancel before it comes off your bill and off of your TV he wore himself
out because he wasn't going to the press conferences he wasn't out looking for his wife he was wearing himself out
playing a game of flicky flicky yeah but that by that point too I think it was public knowledge that he ordered those
channels and he's like well I should I probably yeah maybe I should get rid of get rid of these yeah because look your
wife is again there's no rules on how things work but your wife your pregnant wife months away from having your first
child she goes missing and you decide it's time to pull the Pud well it's time to pull out the old purple headed yogurt
Slinger I mean come on man this is that that would be the furthest thing from your
mind back to the Gone Girl thing comparison both of them had a girlfriend well the thing too is and I know we keep
we need to quit harping on this because I know there is no set rule of how to behave and act in this difficult
situation however I think it's a fair statement for us to say we can as reasonable adults sit back observe
what's going on and make an a personal judgment make a personal Judgment of yeah this seems a little weird yeah and
is it is it proof of anything no but I'm going to State this is it proof of anything no but I still think that it
goes in the category of evidence well of course and and It ultimately will when it comes to trial
okay let's introduce Amber fry here she's a massage therapist a single mom um she was introduced to Scott by a
friend this was in November of 2002 Yeah so basically how this goes down is that
Scott hits on the friend at a work conference and she was in a relationship so she says sorry Scott no thanks but I
have a friend you might like are you sure it went down that way cuz here's the way I think it went down I think
he's hitting on this woman that's in a relationship and his way of extending the offer is by saying hey I
know you know that I'm married but do you have any friends that I could meet I think that's his his casual way of being
slick and Sly and offering himself up to that woman no he didn't tell her he was
married okay he didn't tell this woman that he was hitting on that he was married no she didn't know no it
was I am trying to get with you and she's like yeah get me but you I have a friend I get that but I I I think
there's a chance she may have known no because why would you say hey buddy of mine Amber fry you're a single mom
working your butt off you know instead of going out and finding a a nice single man here's this guy I know that's
married right and and so the the way I heard it was he was hidden on this girl she said hey no I'm not really
interested you're not my type or whatever or she was in a relationship but she said hey I have a friend you
might like that that makes a lot of sense and I the reason I got confused here Captain was I know that at some
point Amber questions if Scott is in fact single he tells Amber he's single she questions it she goes to somebody
that knew the both of them I guess I just assumed it was her friend I don't think that it was cuz your logic makes
100% uh that's got to be right and she goes to somebody that they both know and says
hey I I have some suspicions here is Scott Peterson single and this person says you're going to need to talk to
Scott right right right and and I think the thing though too is when they first started hanging out she asked
him you know have you ever been married he says no he then later tells her that he was married in early December of 2002
the two are photographed together at a holiday party now according to Amber Scott told her he was not married uh and
I know we're kind of going through that now but his explanation was that he had been too busy with work for a wife
children or even a dog which is funny and and cruel on several levels because obviously Scott when saying this has a
wife has a child on the way and a dog which if I'm not wrong maybe I'm wrong on this but I believe the picture that
he's at this party with his mistress with his um girlfriend he takes a picture at a Christmas party and that
same night Lacy had a party that she attended alone okay so I mean like once that
comes out in the media he just even looks more like a dirt bag in uh December 30th this is after
seeing newspaper articles about Lacy Peterson's disappearance Amber fry called a tip line and told police she
was dating Scott Peterson and she immediately began working with the police to pull whatever useful
information she could out of her quote unquote boyfriend and secretly recording their calls all in all she
would ultimately record over 29 hours of phone calls with Scott Peterson yeah one
of the things that you hear in the Diane sorer interview is he slips of the tongue a couple times uh at the point of
the interview his wife is not found dead yet she is just missing mhm and he says that
Lacy was uh a kind person and then says is that's one of the slips the other slip
is he says um you know the fair is wrong was wrong that's how he corrects it and
the reason why I believe he said this is because even after she goes missing he's
still making contact on a daily basis sometimes two to three calls a day now to play devil as Advocate a lot of
people argue that well the cops wanted her to try to get him to maybe confess or something so they kind of push the
issue you know she is making calls to him but the majority of the calls that are happening the communication he is
the one making the contact right right and actually regardless of who's calling who I mean
the report I read said that there were 241 calls in the course of 93 days I think yeah and one of the things that
we kind of skipped over because we're now you know at around the time a couple days after uh lazy he is missing on
December 9th is around the time that he actually comes clean with Amber and States hey yeah I did lie to you about
something I need to tell you about something and she goes well what is it well I was
married not married anymore implying that he's not married anymore but he was married and then she never really asked
much about it because he says that he lost his wife uh and then from December 9th to
December 24th it's going to come out that he lost his wife just before Christmas and this is going to be the
first holiday that he spends alone the first Christmas season without his wife and I wonder Captain if that was
triggered by that conversation she had with her friend hey I wonder Scott is he telling the truth is he actually married
and that friend says hey you need to talk to Scott about that that triggers that conversation and here again in my
opinion I I I see a guy kind of squirming his way out of it and saying well here's where the confusion comes in
I was married yeah and I the you know we've been studying this case all week and mainly because you know the last
case the staircase the Michael Peterson case highly requested by listeners Scott
Peterson more so requested by listeners and we decided hey Be Clever let's put them back to back but never watched The
Simpsons right but this episode this last week I'm I was watching football then it turns into the Simpsons I'm kind
of cleaning up my family room and then I'm watching The Simpsons and it's all about how Bart told a lie and Lisa comes
in there and says Bart it's not the first lie that gets you it's the lies that you have to
tell to cover up the first one and I just thought that's so fitting that we're covering the Scott Pearson case
this week because it's the initial lie of saying I'm not married I don't have kids I
don't have a dog turns into well now you think I'm married so now I have to cover
that up I was married a lot of people will also state that these statements on December 9th from him saying hey my wife
went missing you know before Christmas that this is actually evidence of premeditation yeah some kind of
confession of future events that are going to take Place mhm the interesting thing to me though is it's it's December
30th and Amber fry comes out she contacts police says hey I'm dating Scott Peterson and then it's the next
day the next day where Scott Peterson tells Amber he's ringing in the new year in Paris with friends when he's actually
at Lacy Peterson's vigil right so at that vigil we have the Press taking a couple pictures of him smiling and and
saying oh oh well this is damning evidence again I don't think that's evidence of anything because he could
have been somber the whole time what the damning piece of evidence is is you're at a visual for your
pregnant wife missing and you call your girlfriend and tell her that you're at the Eiffel Tower celebrating with
friends and oh man ringing in the new year I mean to me that's evidence well and we have to keep in mind too
that Scott Peterson and Lacy's family neither of them know that the police are aware of Scott's Affair or that Amber
was recording their phone calls which is another lie that he says in the uh Diane
Sawyer interview he states that he told the police December 24th right away about the affair and that was a lie then
in mid January 2003 police learned that the national inquire had its in its possession a photo of Amber and Scott
and they intended to publish it right so let's just break this down real quick cuz one right when they hear that Scott
Peterson has a girlfriend and this is coming from the guy that was like right away I thought something's fishy with
Scott something's not checking out they go and start taping tape recording his phone conversations through like a
little device that they got at Radio Shack and I think it's working they're getting a lot of Falls he's stating some
weird stuff we're getting some information out of Scott maybe this is going to be the Smoking Gun that we need
and then they get railed by the media to go oh well we now need to be in front of
this so they actually decide to hold a press conference I believe well and you can hear on those tapes and I'm not
going to have claimed to listen to All 29 hours of those tapes you can find find a good amount of them online I've
even read somewhere that you could find all of it um but one thing I did notice in some of those interactions between
Amber and Scott you can hear she's questioning him of well so what happened where are they right you know and like
you said this might have been their best opportunity to get a confession from Scott Peterson or the tips and clues
that they needed to at least find them yeah and I think she also brings up the fact that the now to play Devil's
Advocate they only hung out a handful of times but that doesn't make the fair less you know wrong but they they did
only hang out a few times right um but they had a lot of phone calls uh long calls sometimes an hour long sometimes
longer than an hour and they actually discuss kids and Scott stated multiple times nah I just don't want kids yeah
you have a kid and that's cool and she seems fine but I'm you know I wouldn't want to have
anymore on January 23rd this is when Lacy Peterson's family says Scott Peterson told authorities he had been
involved with another woman and on January 24th amber revealed herself at a press conference and confessed that
Scott Peterson had told her he was single Lacy's family turned on Scott and so too did the small army of volunteers
who had been looking for Lacy well right and the he claims that he actually followed another missing uh mother with
a child case mhm and one of the things that he claims is he never he didn't want to bring this up because he stated
that in this other case that once that they they found out that the husband had affair they stopped looking for the
missing woman and then they just assumed that she was murdered and that that's what Scott Peterson said he was afraid
of is that once this came out in the media that this would um get people to stop searching for her and he was right
on some level because this about around this time the search teams and the the volunteer uh headquarters that they had
put up kind of disbanded right well and a big part of that though too is those volunteers they're not
interested in looking anymore they think theyve we know who did this it's a matter of Peterson telling us what
happened and where is Lacy where are they in late January 2003 Scott Peterson's Good Morning America
interview with Diane Sawyer went so terribly bad that it calcified the public hatred against him I mean they
said he's the most hated man in the world yeah yeah yeah the very least America for one thing he lied to Sawyer
when he said that he had told police about the affair as you've pointed out uh and stating that he did that the day
Lacy went missing he had stated that uh his marriage was fine when obviously we now know that he's having an affair he
tells Sawyer marriage was fine for him that Lacy knew about his affair with Amber and she was quote okay with it
unquote a statement that just about threw Nancy Grace into a fit I want to point out something here that Nancy
Grace is actually awesome to listen to when she's talking about Scott Peterson well no I want to point out
some of his words and actions again that I find to be difficult to sit through and difficult to agree with let's think
about this just for a second using his words as you stated we'll point out a million times that this guy's a liar we
now know obviously that a lot of these statements are not true but let's say that we're in the let's say We're In the
Heat of the Moment we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and we're going to listen to his words and we're
going to take that into account and come up with a conclusion okay his statement is
that I told police about the affair immediately my wife knew about the affair and she was quote unquote okay
with it he also tells Diane Sawyer that he was not in love with Amber fry and that he Des had nothing to do with The
Disappearance of his wife soon toe mother and was desperately looking for her if all of those things were
true if all of those things were true MH why at any point didn't you say to Amber
fry I cannot spend time with you I cannot talk to you on the phone or or or at the very least say I can spend time
with you and I can talk to you on the phone but by the way my wife is missing right she's missing well he does state
that she's missing at some point once they once I mean at some point Amber does confront him and say hey I know
you're lying no no no I I know that but what I'm talking about is on December 24th December 25th December 26th right
27th so on and so forth he had multiple days before she started working with the
police and he claims all of this stuff to be true factual in his opinion I told the police about theair the affair my
wife was fine with the affair I had nothing to do with The Disappearance of lacy I did not love the woman I'm having
an affair with but I loved my wife and I desperately want to find her if all those things were true any man any woman
with their spouse missing would have said to the other individual before she had to find out by seeing his picture in
a newspaper well what you're saying makes a ton of sense and the reason why is cuz it's going to be harder for you
to come out and tell your wife hey I'm having an affair it's going to be hard for you to come out and tell the cops
hey my wife's missing but [ __ ] by the way I'm a piece of [ __ ] dude and I'm having an affair right M that's that's
difficult what's not that difficult is telling the person that you had affair with hey my wife's missing I told the
cops about you and I I already told my wife about you so I think your point is very valid
I think that's um that's something I haven't even thought of blowing my mind what people found most damning about the
interview was Scott referred to his missing wife in the past tense saying Lacy was
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On December 24th, 2002 - Husband and father to be, Scott Peterson left home at 9:30am. He was planning on a short fishing trip but first he would have to go into work. When Scott left home his wife Laci was watching television. She was planning to do a little house cleaning and then take the dog for a walk. Later that day Scott returned home to an empty house. His wife’s vehicle and purse were still at the house but Laci was nowhere in sight. Scott reported his wife as missing and told police the family dog came home with its leash still on but no Laci...Beer of the Week - Blackberry Daze by Anchor Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Scott Peterson's alibi and affair complicate the investigation into his wife's disappearance.

Key points

Lacy Goes Missing. Lacy Peterson disappears on Christmas Eve, leading to a frantic search.
Suspicious Behavior. Scott's actions and statements during the investigation raise red flags.
Scott's Alibi. Scott claims he was fishing on Christmas Eve, but details raise suspicion.
Scott's Alibi. Scott claims he was at work and on his boat the day Lacy went missing.
Witness Sightings. Multiple witnesses claim to have seen Lacy walking her dog on Christmas Eve.
The Boat Debate. Scott purchased a boat shortly before Lacy's disappearance, raising questions about his intentions.

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I owe a tremendous apology to everyone.

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