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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] [Music] on Wednesday July 11 2007 police and
news conference pinpointed Lisa's husband Craig Stevic as the sole person of interest in lis systemics
disappearance Plainfield police chief Donald Bennett said Craig Stevic has been of minimal assistance to detectives
and refused to participate in searches in part leading them to name him as a person of interest plus they said he has
refused their repeated request to talk to his children who are amongst the last people to see their mother alive twice
he has refused requests to have police talk with these children said Bennett adding that such action has clearly
hampered the investigation it is the police's belief that the children have viable info that could assist them in
their investigation Craig Stevic and his children somewhere along this investigative timeline they cut off all
contact with Lisa's family smell that fishy yeah this is a bad situation not only they not working with the
investigators and his children you know perceivably we can believe that this is at his own doing or not talking with
investigators as well but we also find out at some point they're not even communicating with Lisa's family which I
understand that there might be some bad blood especially with her missing but that shouldn't should not really change
the interaction between his children and her family right now this case Lee systemics disappearance in what later
police would pretty much officially announce as suspected foul play and they even go out and say they don't believe
Lisa is alive this case was receiving a good deal of statewide news publicity and national news
coverage in the beginning but as we have seen in other cases and in other states
eventually there are distractions and I mean cases that take priority and the news spotlight in cases that took the
spotlight came relatively quickly and became big news over Lisa's case and this is as follows on June 14 2007
Christopher Vaughn murdered his wife and kids and Shanahan Illinois Chris use appease [ __ ] on October 28 2007 Stacy
Peterson vanishes from bolingbroke Illinois Drew Peterson use a piece of [ __ ] then as longtime garage listeners
very well known in one of the cases that fascinates me the most the February 2nd
2008 Lane Bryant store shootings in Tinley Park Illinois unknown suspect use a piece of [ __ ] now even though this
case faded from the spotlight seeking justice for ELISA needs to go on and I think there are a lot of important
questions in this case so let's go through some of these here captain so the divorce is in full swing as it
appears this is often a red flag but in this case it seems clear that both parties wanted the divorce and both were
moving forward with it now there could be some motives inside all of this right the police were called to the house
again normally a red flag but here it appears there was no type of physical altercation right and Craig was the one
who called the police not the later missing individual Lisa yeah I agree with that but also we have somebody that
used to be a private investigator this could be some kind of a setup yes and then we also have this situation about
what we now know is probably reported as fact that Lisa was dating another man at
some point during the course of this separation it seems like that the question here that we have to go back to
if this would be a motive for her to disappear on craig's Park is one did he even know about this other individual
was it even something that was serious and I get that it doesn't have to be something serious for him to fly off the
handle and do something crazy but does one does he even know about it and two if he does know about it does even care
is this something that even bothers him as said they're both moving forward with
separating from one another and ultimately it seems like the care of their children is the concern of both of
them yeah but we have a mix you know feelings there as well we have somebody saying hey at one point we have
them saying hey we're gonna have joint custody right with with the mother Lisa having the primary custody or primary
house was where there'd be living mm-hmm but then that seems like that's gonna change
well she changed her mind on that I question that a little bit because of a few things one I don't think it was ever
filed in a way that she would be the sole caretaker of these children I wonder if this is a situation where we
have a divorce moving forward and she's saying I'm going to be the main caregiver of these children well what if
he what if he disputes this at some point her lawyer asking for information to what what do we have to point out that
you should be the main caretaker of these children right because the whole thing you have to ask yourself if she
truly did feel that he was an unfit father and the thing that I keep going back to and I'm probably gonna take some
criticism for this but I want everybody to keep in mind we don't know 100% what was going on inside those four walls we
don't know what was going on 100% under the roof of that home right so if she truly did feel that he was unfit or
dangerous a danger to their children she did have some control under the fact that they were still all living under
the same roof right and she does seem to be a caring mother that would take that
into account along the way the other thing is I don't I don't hesitate to say that I do think that
there was some kind of verbal abuse or belittling going on I know that there are talks that she was attending
counseling at a place that is pretty much structured for battered women right one thing though we got to keep in mind
usually those places keep their records sealed for good reason so I don't know that we have an official from that
agency coming forward and saying yes she was seeking counseling here or if this is just something that her family is
saying her friends suspected along the way or something she said she might seek in the future
yeah and maybe is this counseling in general mm-hmm but one has to wonder look there's gonna be all kinds of
rumors that come out your friend goes missing and it becomes okay why do you remember that one time that she said her
husband was mean I do remember that you mean like right and now you're trying to
you're trying to work backwards your friends missing now let's work backwards and now you have this husband which yeah
it's odd he's trying to keep everything close to to the vest but who knows what's been said about him and then at
that point you go okay my wife is missing and that sucks but I need to take care of myself I need to take care
of my family I need to make sure they're all right because if I go away what's gonna happen to them the other
thing that could be going on here and this is much darker than anything that we've talked about is we see a couple
things inside this relationship a couple things going on in this dynamic that we
are aware of and that is fact so let's go through that real quick and look at it through this angle and this might be
uncomfortable to talk about but it's a possibility we have Craig who is the I mean he's the
breadwinner by far in a situation 80 grand a year roughly compared to 10 grand a year right now is that that
doesn't mean I don't mean that to suggest that Lisa was any less of a person or earner than her husband know
what I'm getting at is was that a situation controlled by this man was that a situation where he goes out and
he makes a good deal money and he's reminding her day after day you got this job over here it's not going to pay the
bills I'm in control of this situation you need me you need me for financial support and you need me to keep this
roof over our heads even if it's joint custody and they award her child support money it's not going to be even though
he makes a lot more money hmm it's not gonna be enough for her to live off of right and now we certainly know that she
was capable of earning more I mean she has a degree and she worked a second job for a while
I would love to know what happened with that second job it sounds to me some of the things I've read captain sounds like
it was a fill-in position that she was filling in for someone right or was this a situation where Craig goes you know
what I'm tired of you being gone at night you're not allowed to be gone at night you can work your job during the
day I expect you to be home during the evenings right I would love to know the situation going on there because you
have to wonder with this being their second time around on the divorce proceedings was she making plans to
better her financial situation leading up to the eventual separation again yeah and if he's telling her not to work the
job that goes back into the controlling factor I just think somebody that's gonna be that controlling of somebody
you think they're actually gonna file for divorce mm-hmm it doesn't make a lot of sense but again that could be playing
a certain hand let me file for the divorce let me seem like I'm okay with it yeah
again a controlling factor right he's the one that decides when they're going to file for divorce he's the one that
decides when the police are going to be called also we know the situation of her
cell phone he's in charge of the cell phone both of the cars are registered to Craig Nunn Talisa right you know so you
do have some things in here where it looks like we have a guy that's kind of controlling the whole situation this
whole family and then later on or is it a logical thing I'm gonna put the car in
my name because I'm paying for the tags because I'm paying for the license plates because I'm paying the insurance
cuz I'm paying the gas money because I'm paying for the car right is it just logical thing well why would I put it in
somebody else's name if it's mine well and some have cited money troubles as a possible motive while we're on the talks
of motives here apparently they did have a second mortgage on the house and they
were getting ready to separate but they owed quite a bit more on the home than the value of that home well that's
always good yeah then we have the eviction papers and again this this thing is a tricky motive here too
just like everything else we have the situation where she has filed for a petition of eviction of this man who's
probably paying most of the bills as we discuss with the amount of money that he's right and that that part's not
tricky I mean if you're paying all the bills and you got a vixen notice from the person not paying the bills uh I'd
be super pissed mmm I be i meet captain america best well that's where you wonder that's where people are going to
say hey he must have known about this and when he found out he lost it right but that's that's the weird speculation
because do we know if he knew about this his claims he says he never knew about this paperwork until after she went
missing right so we cited the money troubles possible money troubles we cited the
eviction papers and the normal red flags we would expect with a divorce as it's going on we also have a situation
captain where police announced two very vague but interesting things to the media over the years one they have ruled
out several people and what I mean by this exactly is they have talked to several people they're saying we've
ruled other people out in this disappearance we can't rule him out that makes me wonder about this individual
that she was dating this unnamed man he's in the papers he's unnamed this to me knowing his age the ages reported in
the media this points to me that law enforcement knows who this guy is right and they've probably talked to him
they've investigated him he would be on that list and if they're saying that we've cleared everyone else well then
that man that she dated again we don't know how many times he must be on that list of people that have been cleared by
law enforcement yeah I think that's safe to assume and then to Kraig Stevic is law enforcement sole person of interest
we know this from a statement released to the public and I think that this has to stem from three key factors one Craig
is believed to be the last person to see Lisa or at least he reports having seen
her at their home hearing her leave sometime around 6:00 p.m. that night right we don't have
anybody else to say that they saw her after that time we don't have any activity on her credit cards or cell
phone after that time right to the small amount of blood found on the tarp and Craig's truck I mean that's just that
blood just doesn't magically appear again you're not going to be able to get a murder charge out of that but it seems
awfully suspicious then three it seems like law enforcement have good reason to believe that Craig Stevic has access to
places that might make it easy for him to dispose of Lisa's body and hide evidence we talked about the property
that his family owns out of state we also have a situation where this guy he's a pipe fitter he moves around to
different job sites you know we just talked about a case last week where but the husband buried the the wife and
children at one of his job sites yeah so what happened to Lisa you know what did
Craig do it does Craig not submitting to a lie-detector test mean anything I think what it means is he's not a total
idiot as we've discussed those tests are unreliable and the results can be damaged by the proctors opinion and
several times we have pointed out how you can end up with false positives to deception regarding those tests and with
specific questions he claims that he has turned down this polygraph request at the advice of his attorney what are the
other possibilities well like did Craig's dad help in any way this could be an interesting angle
but the thing I have to wonder here Catherine is I feel like there isn't much on his testimony as far as what he
was doing or where he was but I would have to guess I would wager that this was probably looked into and was
investigated I mean it could be a possibility but I also think that it's quite unlikely I think that there would
have been something connecting the dad to it or connecting the dad to Craig as being some kind of assistant and all of
this but many some I would yeah and I think investigators spent a good amount of time on this case we
talked about all the searches that were involved not just in esthetic home in the Greater Plainfield area but all
those searches inside the home and of the vehicles you think that something somewhere would turn up and I really
want to know or have a good up I'd like to have a good understanding of what information we could pull from her phone
because we know that she is on a site looking for a gym pal hmm you know are we just hearing that she looked for a
gym pal and it was only female is there more to that story because her car is still there right and everything goes
missing so it's like that makes a lot of sense if you go yes she came home we got
to prove that we haven't been able to prove that hmm I think that's on her husband to prove I think it's all got
kids to prove but then if she's at home and she leaves we have eyewitnesses not that much later or some some
eyewitnesses around that time that say oh yeah he was working in his backyard right so is are some of these things
setups by a guy that knew how cases worked he was a private investigator or is this a guy being cautious because he
was a private investigator and we've seen people get railroaded we've seen people with no evidence but a false
confession by somebody else doing life in prison or get death death row hmm so how would we react if something happened
and and and they were putting you on trial in the in the media spotlight well the public spotlight and other than that
small amount of blood which I mean she lived at the home who knows that could have come from anything well my other
question would be how long did he own the truck because they're together 14 years they had this tarp for however
many years how long did they have the truck right so is that is it possible if they had the
truck for six years that there's some blood somewhere possible well and with her regards to her cell phone sorry let
me backtrack just a quick second okay we're talking about what evidence is there against Craig there's not much and
I think that's the big problem with this case one you know the little small trace
of blood that could be evidence but but it's hard to make that evidence you have
to almost make that evidence right and then too we have the you know people family friends later coming out saying
well no Lisa was afraid of him well again we don't know what was going on under that roof what was going on inside
those for what seems like a lot hearsay so then you have people that come out and say well if there's no evidence
against Craig you know and that's why I brought up the father his father we know
they were tight did his father help in some way you have other people that say well Craig could have paid someone to
get rid of Lisa and I think this too is an interesting angle however I think this very much falls right into the last
question about Craig's father and I think this is an unlikely situation I don't think this is what happened here
okay because again there would have been phone records or some type of communication between Craig in the
Hitman some trail of evidence connecting the two of them and you bring up a good
a good interesting scenario here mm-hmm did she in fact leave the home just like
Craig said did she in fact intend to go to the gym that night and meet someone at the gym who later abducted and killed
her right this certainly is somewhat of a possibility but in order for this to be more likely than what I think it is
she would I think she would have had to have been abducted in route to the gym you know because we don't have anyone
that says that they saw her at the gym that night and you have to wonder how many people work out at a high school
gym at six o'clock on that Monday night yeah but if let's say she met this person before then
was as simple hey I'll pick you up we'll go to the gym together and so he picks her up or she picks her up and when it
when it comes down to it they just don't make it to the gym mm-hmm I mean I she is a pretty small individual mm-hmm
5 to 120 mm-hmm this is uh male or female could move her if she was deceased you know they could move the body
there's the other thought and I know Craig has really pointed to this you know did she leave on her own accord
does she go out to start up a new life personally I think I would say if there were no kids no children involved that
this could be the case but right I mean I don't see any signs or any reason that
she would abandon her kids no one said that that would be in her character we also have someone that is tattooing the
names of her children on her body right but that that doesn't mean anything well it means something to me I
I feel like it means that they're special to her and that they hold some significance some special place in her
life yeah and why I I think the run away theory doesn't make a lot of sense because once she ain't use any of her
cards we don't have any transactions she didn't make enough money that she could
stockpile enough to kind of get a new start mm-hmm and if you're gonna get a new
start again is it is it possible that she's trying to better her life anything she just went you know what and I won't
be a mom it happens mm-hmm it happens to dads it happens to moms it's just there's really no evidence of it so I
mean we can go down that rabbit hole but until there's really evidence I don't see what the point would be we also have
you know there are cases where there is almost like an underground railroad situation where like these agencies for
battered women will relocate them but it's all very secretive you know and it's all very much you have
to drop everything and cut off all ties with your old life right to go on and start a new one
and they never disclose that information the thing is that doesn't happen a lot for many reasons the most important one
in the most prominent one of those reasons is it's so hard for someone that has loved ones and people that they care
about and children right for them to sever all ties and to move on and create a new life elsewhere the other thing I
would point out here too captain is the children are young they're 10 they're 12
you know these aren't grown adult children that are out making their own life and have moved on or moved away
right you know these are people that children that were very much dependent on her as much as they are her husband
Craig yeah I mean isn't there some law he and they just subpoena these kids and so they could talk to him well they did
they did and that's where that's where it gets tricky again with Craig's situation you know they spoke with the
grand jury nothing new apparently was gained from that now this is these are closed-door meetings these are
closed-door interviews so we don't know what was discussed we don't know what was asked there but apparently there was
nothing there was not enough inside that information or answers that they provided to this grand jury that would
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all right we're back Hawaii boys and a big cheers to everybody out there yes so with this case I don't see
the evidence or any indication that should be running away hmm like it seems like there's definitely evidence that
she wants to change some things in her life and better some things in her life but not her just getting up and leaving
mm-hmm well she's making moves to within the divorce proceedings you know it's it's not like oh this is happening he
filed for divorce and she's just dragging her feet waiting for it to happen you know we see the situation of
the eviction notice we see the situation of her going ahead and moving on with her life we see a situation of her
getting her daughter's name tattooed on her body and then telling friends that she wants a tattoo of her son's name you
know these are all things this to me all points to somebody that has a planned future things that she is looking
forward to right not things that she is running away from or even sitting back and denying that they are happening one
you also want her to if she's been with this guy for 14 years that is quote-unquote verbally abusive
did she meet somebody that might not treat her the best and we just don't know about it but she's willing to put
up with that because she that's what she's known for 14 years I mean that you think that what they would have find
some kind of information on that home computer right and I think you know that's where they're going to get all
the information regarding these connection sites that she was involved in because one thing we got to keep in
mind in regards to her cellphone first off this is 2007 okay so her cell phone is automatically different from the ones
that we have in 2019 but then on top of that it's it's often reported that this is an older cellphone right as of 2007
so probably pretty primitive compared to what we are using today yes Zack Morris
called he wants his phone back well and I have to wonder I'm I'm guessing here that we have a phone that doesn't even
have internet capabilities possible if this is just a phone used to call people maybe text people as well so but that
brings up an interesting question and one that is posed in this case did Lisa meet someone online and then she agreed
to meet with this person this is possible but the problem with this question here is this was investigated
and pretty thoroughly as well well we get to answer some of the questions some of these questions could be answered by
was he at work because he claims he came home at about 5:45 6 o'clock yes says he
was home at about 5:40 p.m. that night and that's because he was at work correct so do we have anything and I
know he bounces around from site to site but some of these cars have GPS tracking
for a different job you know for different companies mm-hmm like we saw in a Chris Watts case right do you have
any evidence that he was gone until he said that he was well what we don't have is anyone disputing that he wasn't where
he says he was right so I really feel like the the timeframe in question is after 5:40 p.m. that night we don't have
anyone to say any differently that he wasn't where he says he was so just real quick back to did she meet someone and
and this is I don't necessarily mean did she meet someone and decide oh you're my
knight in shining armor I fell in love with you let's run away together I don't mean that at all I mean someone that was
there to deceive her you know someone that she met through one of these connection sites and they did something
bad to her and took her from her life right and the thing is though like I said I think this because some people
have pointed out look someone on there just you talked about in yesterday's show you
could have somebody on there pretending to be a woman yeah and communicating with her the old
catfish and then setting up a hey let's meet up or let's go for a jog together I'll meet you at the gym or you meet me
here on your way to the gym yeah and then she never shows up again again the problem with this is yeah you feel like
that the investigation really had very quickly nowhere else to go other than Craig stetic and I think again there
would have been bread crumbs found on that computer found within those connection sites that would have said
she was talking to somebody yeah and here's one okay here's where I feel bad for him mm-hmm initially he called we
have a situation take the Chris Watts case right yes it's it's been on my mind so from time to time so that's a
situation where he he's not really Tommy buddy anybody's missing he was just kind
of going about his business yeah he's waiting for other people to say hey something's up here we need to call the
cops not only that he's at he's offering an explanation that why they are not at
home Chris watts is right he's saying don't on a play day they went on a play date and I don't know the person's name
or where they live yeah [ __ ] uh so but here we have a case where you go you could say yeah well he didn't call
captain he didn't call till the next day well they're getting separated they're not gonna be married anymore this is
gonna be his normal life going forward maybe he's pretending it's already his normal life she's gone out and like we
said should go out till ten o'clock eleven o'clock mm-hmm is it possible that he fell asleep to even know that
she didn't come home mm-hmm right maybe he wasn't worried the night before right
maybe he didn't think about it then the next day he's going what the [ __ ] is going on
right where's she at guess who calls the cops guess who starts going hello she's
missing well he doesn't call the cops but he does call a couple of people to find out if they know where she is right
but didn't he do that one of the people that he talked to they called the cops yeah but again the person it's it's very
unclear as to the situation right but one thing that I'm pretty certain of it seems like the neighbor that he called
to find out where his wife could be right that the neighbor was close with Lisa and and that they were like friends
the couples were friends right now the husband and wife husband and wife they hung out together but I feel like the
neighbor that he contacted and the neighbor is the one that goes no there's something fishy going on here right and
they're the one that decide on think he prompted them to call the police right but one would argue again this guy was a
private investigator he's no dummy right hmm one could argue by calling other people
you called her work mm-hmm you're calling people you're notifying people that she's
missing you're notifying it right you're notifying the people and on top of that
you're the one that that's that's throwing up flags in his favor and his neighbor that's right he's saying hey
you know did he call cops right away no cuz he was calling people so we don't know if he would have eventually you
know after five calls maybe he would have called the police or if he returned home from work that day would have
called the polite right at some point but he's calling her work again it's one of those things where on one side you go
oh that's a play you sneaky bastard mm-hm and that's just you setting it up you got right over the night before you
bought your kids candy to keep their mouth shut and guess what now you're just you're
you're dropping off this information leading to you want to make people believe that your concern but then on the other
hand he go well maybe that's just the truth because there that there is a logical explanation to his actions there
so it's and then he goes here's the computer well how much time did he spend making sure that they would find exactly
what they found on the computer and maybe or erasing what they didn't find right and what I mean by that is it
doesn't have to be you know like a Casey Anthony where it's like Craig won't came
home and and googled how to murder wife and get away with it right maybe it's not something like that but maybe it was
a dating website that she was on that he got rid of mmm again I don't know what his knowledge is of computers and I
would assume that law enforcement has better text that would be able to uncover that information that's the
thing we've seen plenty of cases where people think they're pretty good at wiping clean a computer or a device
police get their hands on it and very quickly they're like what about this what about this what about that because
what they don't know is they call the garage and they go wing wing wing wing is is the colonel there
we need him to check out this computer mm-hm and then you find every but what everything that's encrypted I will find
so then he goes okay uh yes we're trying to find my soon-to-be ex-wife I'm helping you
here's the computer I'm talking to you some things get said and then he goes oh I've seen this story before and he shuts
it down and can you blame the guy you can't blame the guy mm-hmm but that again it's one of those things where
logically you go one direction is this guy is trying to protect himself trying to protect his kids try to protect his
family on the other hand you go that seems fishy that's as fishy as the fish sticks that
they serve during lunch well and here's the thing too because a lot of times and I would say 99% of the
time 99% of the time we have a situation where people were like you know what the
he does not report her missing he does not call police that is a giant red flag against him I think the thing that
everybody needs to keep in mind here is that can we all agree that this scenario
is unique in the sense that every bit of evidence that we can find points to the
fact that they were both walking away from this relationship right they were both walking away maybe in a situation
if if she were and this is not the truth but if she were running around on him you'd go well that's a red flag he
didn't report her missing he didn't he didn't get scared he didn't get nervous that she wasn't coming home right that's
a red flag no they were both walking away from this relationship regardless of what was going on inside that home
so therefore to me I almost feel like a different reaction to her not coming home is what I would actually expect in
this situation meaning either a he was a bit upset Oh what she's just not gonna come home now oh I'll call a few people
but I'm not gonna waste my time on it I got kids I got to get to school I got a job I got to show up to write or the
other one that we've talked about a few times here too did he just not care did he just go on whatever this is over I've
already emotionally walked away from this relationship a while ago right but hold on you're talking about just the
fact that he didn't report her missing right where where many people would say that's a red flag against him I almost
feel like if I were in this situation I would think that it's a it's in his favor that he felt differently or at
least appears from the outside to have felt different yeah but I don't look at that like that at all I mean he could
have been going I'm gonna call her work weird call some of her friends well then
you call the neighbor and they call the cops mm-hmm okay well you didn't report it
but you called the neighbor so it's not like you hid it from any play indirectly
you reported it so yeah I mean like uh he didn't report it but somebody did so at that point for
all we know the neighbors said hey guess what I called the cops or the cops came
to his house and why he's calling and still looking for ok now we're doing this you know so it's so weird because
there's so many things that it's like you easily go this guy I don't like him he smells like a turd and then there's
other parts where you go I see you walk you know a sane person would do that or somebody that actually cared about her
you know and again they're going through a divorce there's anger there but at the
end of the day they're together for 14 years he probably cares about our some level
there's the mother of his kids it's so weird it's like he calls I mean this that that's as simple as it can be he
calls her work to figure out if she made it to work that's either a cover-up or he gives a
[ __ ] and like that's what we're almost every piece of evidence points and that's really frustrating and if he's
not guilty of anything you know this is I feel bad for him well here's the other thing you gotta
wonder about right for for the future of his life separated from his ex-wife doesn't having her around make it easier
for him and what I mean by that look if they're having money problems they're separating they're going to share those
money problems even after they separate it eases his burden a little bit and the
other thing too is they both planned on shared parenting as a single as a now single man he has somebody that he can
trust more than anyone else to watch his children a few nights a week right you know so what I'm getting at is seems a
little easier for him that she be around there doesn't seem to be a situation where he's running around on her and
just has to get out of this marriage and can't come up with any better idea than
to turn in Chris watts and end it all right but well I agree with that but then I start thinking
that maybe it's a situation when he goes I'm in control I make a tea granny make
10 grand and she starts playing the system a little bit and goes you know what I can actually get you out of the
house maybe I can win this house in the divorce because look anybody that's gone
through a big breakup let's just say you live with the person you don't have to be married to the person but several
times I'd sit down at a table you know we need to talk about what we're splitting up okay this is how I think
things will go right that's maybe somebody lays out to you I'm gonna keep the house you keep this car you do this
right all that can change and an argument is your own saying yeah I get it and so is that so
motive could be a lot more than money in custody it could be a bunch of stuff where it's this person maybe didn't
really care so much he filed for a divorce but now it's our all of a sudden shifting and she starts going while you
were verbally abusive and you did all this stuff and I'm gonna take everything I can and then he's gonna wait a second
listen not how it's supposed to go we're supposed to vote this walk away mm-hmm is that enough for somebody to snap and
kill somebody I believe so she could have threatened him with that but from the outside looking in I don't
see much in the way of property I mean I just don't see it you know what I mean it seems like ball means she filed for
him to be evicted from the house right I mean that's evidence of that's just a place to stay until they get until the
divorce is final though right but what I'm saying the difference is is that the communication could have been you know
you're gonna you know he paid for the house maybe if she's only making 10,000 bucks you think he really needed her
help to pay for the house probably not no no I don't think sand so what I'm saying is that the conversation could
have been well I'm going to keep the house because I paid on it and she's like yeah no big deal
and we're gonna do shared parenting if there's a big deal what I'm getting in is it's
it's I see what you're saying but the the problem in that though to go to the extent of killing somebody there's no
equity in that home it's not like you're losing something right but sometimes people are grasping at straws to hold on
to some stability of their life is what I mean and I know that sounds like Isley but I
think if if it's AB stretch is what I'm saying so I'm not leaning towards that I'm just saying I could see that and
that's what make like I said back to the my main point and my final wrap-up of the case in my eyes is either almost
everything in this case points to that's fishy and I kind of understand why he did it so that make sense you kind of
understand why he killed his wife no no no no no no I mean you kind of understand why people suspect him no no
what I'm saying is like just take any point of evidence any knowledge that we have it's like he called it her work
it's like part of me goes all that's him covering up that he did something to her
right and the other part of me goes no he's actually looking for but it's like there's so much stuff that does that
we're like at first he's talking to the cops so they stop stalking on the cops and it's like I see does that make sense
yeah well but one thing one possibility we didn't get to yet is did some random person grab her off the street and
killer and this I actually believed to be one of the more probable scenarios for a couple of reasons one the weather
was not bad that night from what I could find it wasn't perfect but what if she took off on a jog
you know Plainfield is a safe area but we have covered just in the past year at least three incidences of a lady going
out jogging by herself and some snake in the grass evil man sees her and attacks
her so it's even though this is a safe area you have to keep in mind unfortunately this stuff can happen
anywhere and I think this might be somewhat possible because of the items missing you know we have
the purse is a bit tricky I don't know anybody that goes out jogging with their purse but I would expect her to take her
cell phone with her we also know that the area was safe enough and at least the weather was nice enough for the
father to send a 12 and 10 year-old you know kids out on a bike ride in search of candy but so that is a possible
interesting angle here and we know that she jogged in the park across the street
from their home this wouldn't require her to take her car this wouldn't require her to tell anyone where she was
going while also she could have taken our purse and put it on the bigs while she's
running hmm as long as she knows that she can see the banish'd why she's running I've seen people do that a lot
the problem though here captain is you know could this case just ultimately be a dead end because I hope not what I
mean by this is I so many cases that we've covered there's very few what may be two that I can think of that it seems
like a person just straight up and vanished right and with her situation it doesn't seem like she was in charge of
going missing I feel like between her close friends all the things that came out later I feel like Lisa was a bit of
an open book to her friends in her close you know relatives right and so therefore I kind of feel like this is a
situation where she may have vanished for unknown reasons and the answer could be right in front of us it really could
but there's nothing to connect there's nothing solid and concrete to connect Kraig as 100% your guy and let me just
ask you a couple questions if you can answer these and I know I'm going back a little bit but she leaves work what time
at 2:30 and then this would be a pretty normal time for her to leave and what time does the kid need picked up 3:30 so
and we know that she stopped and got a sandwich somewhere along the way right so we have her whereabouts up to
let's say about three o'clock some a picks up the kid we don't know if it's her don't know if it's the husband hmm
they get back to that puts them back to the house picked the kid up at 3:30 waited in line a little bit roughly
about four o'clock hmm the neighbors see him roughly around 6:30 7:00 no I don't
know exactly when they see him or if they even claimed to have seen him at all what here's what I think is concrete
in this in this case and this is coming from law enforcement law enforcement has
stated that they believe that Leigh systemic was in the home when the children left to go to Walgreens to get
candy this would have been shortly after Craig came home from work at 5:40 p.m. then when they returned sometime between
6:30 and 6:45 p.m. Leigh systemic was not in the home so Craig was Brian we do know that they even though that the
communication was cut off at some point law enforcement did speak with the children right yeah first yeah and so
what's interesting here is you have an hour you have an hour that you have to now they talked to the kids so I'm
assuming that the kids are saying yeah our dad was there when we got back our mom wasn't and that gives him an hour
and if people saw him digging in his backyard or whatever that you know working in the backyard whatever they
brought dogs in mmm nothing no scent picked up you'd think they would have picked something up case would be solved
but that an hour is not a big window well a good friend of mine who lives in Illinois he's retired firefighter he has
a theory that basically ends with Craig killed Lisa at some point and was planning it for months and she's in the
ground at their property really I Gregg shoutout to my buddy Greg thanks for all your he just retired recently as
a firefighter so thanks for all your years as a first responder I think his theories very interesting he
claims that she would be at least she's probably in some kind of container maybe
a barrel or something that he put in the ground at some point and that this barrel would be at least three feet or
deeper in the ground and he's his thought is that they need to use sonar you know ground-penetrating sonar to see
if there's anything on that property right there's a couple of there's a couple of things that I throw in there
to poke a hole or at least question that theory I think it's a good one but I saw
that the property was listed for sale at some point this is not a large property
it would be interesting you know you and I have talked so many times about in these cases what can we prove and what
can we dis prove is there any theory or anything along our list that we can at least scratch off even if we can't find
Lisa's remains on the step ik property that they used to own can we at least go well that's not a possibility because
we've searched it properly and we know that that cannot be right and so it would be interesting that's not a large
property it's a regular neighborhood so I'm guessing from pictures we're probably talking about a quarter acre
law issue somewhere in there so it wouldn't take long to scan that property and see if there's anything hiding in
the ground there but I would love I would love for the current homeowners to give consent for that to happen and I'm
sure there's somewhere someone out there that followed this case maybe even to this day that would be willing to help
in that detection of if there's any anomaly in the ground there well the reason why I would like that theory is
the idea like I said it's not a lot of time from the time that the children leave yeah 45 minutes maybe an hour this
guy would have had to move quick yeah but if you plan this a week in advance well then you'd have everything ready
all you'd have to do as killer put her in the container and then bury it it's an interesting case
but a very sad one too because I kind of feel like unless Lisa's now grown adult
children come forward with something new right with something that they have not
spoke about yet some kind of new information this is a cold case and I think it might just keep getting colder
do you have a number to call if anybody has in any information we can look up the Plainfield Police Department the
number is area code eight one five four three six two three four one eight one five four three six two three four one
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Brief Summary

The episode examines Lisa Stevic's disappearance and the investigation into her husband Craig as the main suspect.

Key points

Craig Stevic Named Person of Interest. Police identify Craig Stevic as the sole person of interest in Lisa's disappearance.
Suspicion of Foul Play. Authorities announce suspected foul play in Lisa's case, believing she is not alive.
Media Spotlight on Disappearance. Lisa's case fades from media attention as other cases take precedence.
Craig's Control Over Finances. Discussion on Craig's financial control and its implications in the relationship.
Unanswered Questions About Lisa. Exploring the uncertainties surrounding Lisa's disappearance and Craig's involvement.
The Gym Meeting Theory. Could she have intended to meet someone at the gym that night?

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This case was receiving a good deal of statewide news publicity.

Discussion about the media coverage of Lisa's case.

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Tension

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