Chance Englebert /// Part 2 /// 558 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] when we left off yesterday Captain we left off with that strange text that was
sent from Chase to his aunt she responds asking if he's okay and then receives no
answer from chance now Chance's mom said that he did not use emojis and so she's
very suspicious of this text she believes that someone else had his phone at this time now that we have a little
bit more information about the timeline let's go through it in a clear and concise manner before we move on so
based off of all reports sometime between 7 20 and 7 30 p.m chance left his in-laws residents at the 700 block
of O Street at 7 45 he calls his friend Matt asking for a ride again Matt is several hours away this doesn't seem
feasible one minute later 7 46 he talks to Bailey this for the last time he tells her that
he is walking South and as you and I pointed out yesterday Captain that is not accurate so either he is fibbing to
her doesn't want her to find him or he is lost already at this point just a short 16 to 26 minutes into his walk at
7 49 he's seen walking past Domino's Pizza and Gehring heading towards Scottsbluff this is at the intersection
of 10th Avenue and stable Club Road 7 51 PM last seen on video walking by himself at the intersection of Terry
Boulevard and stable Club Road in Tarrytown this is the last confirmed sighting of chance
8 45 p.m last time friends or family members spoke to him unclear whether he actually responded to any of them or
whether they could just see that the texts were red 908 PM that is the strange text from Chance's phone to his
aunt 9 to 9 15 PM approximately this is when the significant thunderstorm struck the
area approximately 9 pm his phone pinged in the vicinity of Owl Road South of the
western travel terminal convenience store the data comes from an arc that's the police's term an arc that is a
couple miles long covering an area encompassing Scott's Bluff National Monument property and Gehring to West
25th Street in Scottsbluff so a large area there and at approximately 9 15 p.m the phone shut off for whatever reason
now it's worth noting that the timeline is longer than the amount of time necessary for chance to walk the
distances he is believed to have traveled it would only take him about an hour to walk to the area of the wtt
truck stop for example no one knows where he was or what he was doing in the two and a half hours
between when he left and his last phone ping it sounds to me though captain that
chance is probably only Vaguely Familiar with this area so if I'm the investigator on this case I have a
couple questions I want to see who saw him at the golf course did anybody see this confrontation
happen I don't think there's any other eyewitness other than Bailey that says chance was at the grandparents house and
left from the grandparents house I don't believe there was any other family member that actually saw him there again
like you said there's gaps in the timeline that's a big question for me another question why didn't Bailey try
to contact him by phone after their last conversation at that point she would had some communication
with his family why wouldn't you try to call his phone why don't you try to text
well to be clear she did um it's just she never speaks to him again after that marker that we gave in
the in the timeline yeah but I think her if you look at her phone records or maybe it was his phone records I don't
think she actually tried to call him after it got dark and once the storm happened
you think at at some point when they claim that they stop searching for him because the storm got so bad you think
during that whole time that you're searching for him in the storm that you'd be trying to call his phone and
and I I haven't seen the records of any phone calls being made after it got dark
also you have the lake the river those have to come into play based off of his location also like you brought up this
mysterious text was it just a butt dial or was there something more to it well and you bring
up a good point here now you know remembering that Bailey told Chance's parents that they had stopped looking
for him because there was this storm so one I think we want to take a look at the storm first so we have the U.S
national weather service that issued a severe thunderstorm warnings for that night so we know this storm happened
right that's not in question and we know that it was a pretty severe storm this given by the standard of the National
Weather Service so they issued warnings for this storm and estimated winds up to
60 mile an hour with penny-sized hail a flash flood warning was issued until 1am
on July 7th remember he walks off according to Bailey story 720 to 7 30 on July 6th
and sure enough there was a very significant storm that night right in the area where Chance's phone last
pinged information we found shows that the Scots Bluff estimated that gust of wind
were in the 70 mile per hour range so trees were downed and one entire outbuilding blew away the whole thing
didn't last that long though so starting a roughly around 9pm and ending by 10 pm but the storm
dropped more than an inch of rain in that short time period bayley said she figured that chance took shelter in a
nearby bar or some kind of building and when she woke up the next morning and he
still wasn't there this is when she knew it was really bad so being perfectly authentic here Captain I I had some some
concerns about the statement of well we stopped looking for him because the storm was coming in that is just a
poorly written sentence that made me super suspicious because I mean think about any situation where you're trying
to locate someone or a lost dog or anything like that do you wouldn't the storm heightened your sentences and increase
you wanting to find this person sooner even if it's in the course of the storm yeah that's where I think there'd
be frantic text messages and frantic calls saying hey look whatever we were arguing about at this point doesn't
matter tell us where you're at so we can come get you you know we can deal with this later and so reporting in in that
way to me is it's just not it's just bad it's just bad work right there and the reason being is because the rest of the
story seems to be that she's telling his parents at 11 PM hey we stopped looking
for him because the storm was so bad so if the storm starts at 9 9 15 she's saying this at 11. so there's a good
chance that they were still looking for him during the course of the early parts
of that storm if not the entirety of it and it's also reasonable to believe if you're a Searcher or even one of us on
the outside looking in to say yes it seems likely that he would have taken shelter somewhere once the
storm rolled in and there that's going to hinder our chances of finding him and so of course we called off the search at
some point so where where that Miss where that bad reporting in the beginning of my research really raised
some red flags for me after reviewing the story in more detail I don't think so anymore I I don't
really question the movements of of Bailey and her family according to what we're being told yeah if they actually
searched and again we don't know that we don't know that 100 again I still question if
you're making contact with this family why aren't you trying to make contact with him but also when we talk about
missing person cases a lot of times it's okay well he was off and he was in this
bad storm but like his friend says what his best friend says Matt Miller you know this guy's not an idiot you know
Matt seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders she's saying look if something happened where
um he died in that storm you're more likely to find the body Mother Nature is not going to dig a hole
and then toss him into a grave if something happened to him you know where he got you know maybe a tree fell over
and hit him or whatever you would find his body they have not been able to do that now I I do kind of disagree with
Matt Miller and and Chance's mother as far as like you you don't know how you'd react I mean
look 70 mile an hour winds that's tough and I don't know if anybody's been outside when it hails but that can be a
rough situation too is it possible that you go to the banks of you know the lake or the
banks of the river to try to find some kind of shelter you're swept into one of the lakes or Rivers I think as far as in
if I was in charge of this investigation the river is pretty big obviously and there's some very deep parts
I don't know if you could exhaust that theory but I think you could exhaust the theory of whether he went into that lake
or not it's you know still a decent sized Lake but I think with the proper search teams you could
get to the bottom of if he was in that lake or not well and that was some of the concern because we have the
police that have even stated that in that much rain referring to the storm that occurred that night there is a
possibility that people can slip into rushing streams and rivers and there was apparently a flash flood warning in that
very area that night but I have read multiple online posts that the North Platte River in Nebraska is not Swift or
dangerous but you know you have to wonder could chance have ended up in the river
remember his phone did show that he was in the area of the North Platte right around the time that the storm hit what
they're saying online is true it's not known as this raging River but it would have been higher than it ever was and it
would probably be moving faster than it ever was at that time period we should also point out too that even though the
official searches ended after about six days or so looking for chance that the searches conducted by volunteers and
bayley and her family and Chance's family and friends those continued on and on for a good amount of time in fact
it was just I believe the following weekend that they had about 30 to maybe 40 family members and friends that were
out there looking in those same areas and in fact branching out into neighbor covering towns that may not have been
searched previously and even across state lines into Torrington Wyoming which is interesting because that's
basically where he says that he was heading right that night when he speaks with his friend Matt and these were
pretty organized searches from my understanding we had people on Horseback people on foot and people on ATVs all
out there looking and some of them were out there looking from sun up to sun down and unfortunately again in this
situation they end up finding nothing and I mean nothing it's not it's not we didn't find chance it's we
didn't find any sign of him well his personal belongings his phone nothing right and I think you'd agree with this
statement and tell me if you do or or don't by there being a storm you also become more vulnerable at possibly
getting into a vehicle that you normally wouldn't get into tell them Large Marge
sent you that that is a concern too when you see the uh the thunder rolling in and the the the
lightning starts hitting and even hail at some point you sing it Garth Brooks yeah you might be willing to get into a
big rig that you wouldn't have before that that storm starts and who knows maybe by this point he feels like he's
struck out with with friends trying to get a ride from them and he's desperate and he just wants to get to
to Torrington or or he just wants to get anywhere out of that area uh or just in
from the storm well yes he's reaching out to his family and friends for help but what he knows
more than anybody knows well he says once his phone dies right he's reaching out to his friends for help right right
there seems to be no indication that he reached out to a family in fact it seems
like there's a chance that he may have ignored calls or texts from family on purpose after reaching out to Matt right
um so now let's talk about Matt a little bit more here um what we have here captain in the weeks
and months that passed after chance goes missing eventually Bailey's going to return to moorcroft she does start
attending nursing school as planned or maybe delayed I'm a little confused on that timeline the house remember they
had recently purchased a home right that was foreclosed on after some time Chance's friend Matt Miller who we've
been discussing quite a bit he the two of them were going to start that job together on that Monday
and chance goes missing now Matt's working three weeks on and one week off that's his schedule what he did was he
took two returning to gearing to that area in his week off to search for his friend and then he
ultimately started a Facebook page called let's start with chance that organized grassroot searches for chance
over the period of several months these are all well executed searches using borrowed drone equipment and getting
permission from even private landowners to search their properties again these may be properties that were previously
unsearched again no trace of chance has ever been found and I felt like I'm constantly
defending Bailey on this but a lot of people online have have given her Flack because she hasn't done a lot
of interviews and and now two years later when news agencies and uh and journalists and maybe even podcasters
reach out to her she's not doing any interviews what her claims are is that her family has received some threats
um based off some of the interviews that she has done and so she doesn't want to
put her family through that but also it could just be that people misunderstand or or take your statements
and in whatever Direction they want to I would just go back with the lead investigator when he says she was
interviewed everybody in her family was interviewed and they were all cooperative and he said that their
properties were searched as well yeah and I'm glad that you point that out because sometimes when people duck media
they duck the newspapers or podcasts they're they're thrown into a bad light of well they must be guilty of something
because they don't want to they don't have to tell their story too many times because they might get tripped up on
something we can only go with what the experts say and and Captain you're exactly right the expert here is this
investigator eats and this is a direct quote she meaning Bailey she's always been very Cooperative with me very
cordial interviewed her at length my first interview with her was probably a couple hours long so she's always been
very Cooperative end quote Yeah she she made a claim about saying that she was cleared and other
people were cleared that's that's actually not accurate um maybe law enforcement told them hey
you guys aren't suspects at this time who knows but until they find them they're not going
to clear anybody and that's just right that's just this the smart thing to do well and there's no need to clear
anybody because there's no indication of Foul Play as pointed out by law enforcement and then you have the flip
side of that coin that they go on to very quickly point out that there's no evidence that there wasn't Foul Play So
a very uh a very mysterious situation here now what we have that I wanted to get into here Captain is an update we we
had an update so we mentioned the the Facebook page that was put together and about four months after Chase vanished
his family issued a pretty lengthy statement on the Facebook page I'm not going to go
through all of it it's still available online for people to read again it's about four months after he went missing
the reason why I'm not going to go into all of it is because a lot of it is repetitive of things we've already
covered within this case but I do want to address some of the issues that they addressed in their their statement and
this is interesting to me because it seems to address some of the rumors that were going on at the time so about
halfway through their posts it says there are two different video surveillance type recordings of chance
walking that his family again these are all their words that his family and they
are specific here his mother father brothers and wife so all five of them are fairly confident
that this is Chase he is upright walking with purpose and determination and the five of them say the same thing that he
does not appear to be drunk or in any way impaired now again as Captain pointed out that is certainly Up For
Debate yeah we will agree to disagree they go on to address another issue here the phone did Ping near the wtt truck
stop in Scottsbluff which means that it was within Tower range of an arced area they're using that same terminology that
the police was using during this specific time this fits the timeline and description of what was
stated above this does not mean and they they want to be very clear here in this
statement this does not mean that he was actually ever at the truck stop they go on to address the cement
rumor saying the cement yes this was poured the weak chance went missing this is not a new development Chance's family
was aware and this has been investigated fully to their satisfaction again we pointed out that it sounds like what the
police were saying that this was debunked pretty early on in the investigation cement was poured
a family friend or somebody that knows Bailey's Family so of course the rumor was well he must
be under there and they poured the cement to cover it up it appears that everyone agrees that that is not what
happened and that they are satisfied with that result they go on to address the cell phone now
this is not Chance's cell phone this is an interesting little rumor here that was going on it says the cell phone
left on chances and Bailey's porch at their home in moorcroft that's what they're addressing they say this cell
phone belonged to a homeless guy it was fully investigated by the DCI while yes Matt was in route another good friend of
chances who is also a neighbor went and picked it up so that nothing happened to
the phone and it could be turned over to the police so I guess some random phone
was found on their porch and this phone was collected by somebody and turned over to police they have figured out no
this is not Chance's phone well just like Bailey's family has been pretty Cooperative with the police it seems
like chance chances family has been equally as Cooperative with the police yeah and I've heard his mom say that you
know she'll call frequently asking for updates in the case as will other family members of chances but in this statement
they do say some nice things about police and their statement reads law enforcement everywhere including in
gearing is overworked and underpaid we believe they have done the best they could with what they had there are
things that everyone questions such as where is County state and federal agencies why haven't they done more or
XYZ to be honest no one knows for certain what has or hasn't been done because this is an open ongoing
investigation and they can't tell us everything but that doesn't mean we can't continue to search and spread the
word until chance is brought home foreign [Music] [Music] all right we are back you have filthy animals and if you're
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this is about the same time that the family releases their statement we get a press release from the Gering Police
Department they did a media release of their own and again they're reiterating most of
what we have already covered the most important portion of their statement was in regard to the cell
tower information so I'll read that portion and this is verbatim here it says there was a lot of information
floating around that Chance's phone last pinged at wtt in Scottsbluff this information is not correct Chance's
phone last communicated with a tower near Riverview golf course just west of Scottsbluff because of cell phone
technology the information did not greatly narrow down the area chance may have last used his cell phone the last
time Chance's phone was used was shortly after 9 pm on July 6 2019 in an area two
to three miles south to south east of that Tower I like that portion of the statement because it's very specific
even though it still leaves a wide range of space where he could have been two to
three miles it goes on to say that starting July 8th the gearing police department and several other agencies
and volunteers conducted searches in the areas that cell phone information showed
chances phone was pinged so searching a very large area they mention all of the resources and equipment used in the
searches and state that as of November 27 2019 no evidence or traces of Chase Engelbert have been discovered the
release also states that they have been able to follow up on dozens of tips and information that have come in so lots of
tips are coming in they're letting us know they've followed up on them investigators have also followed up on
dozens of potential sightings of chance and numerous States including Colorado Wyoming South Dakota Nebraska Iowa
Kansas Texas and Missouri the law enforcement agencies in the jurisdictions where the potential
sightings were reported have assisted in looking at video and other requests made
of them them thus far none of the potential sightings have resulted in any useful information that will bring us
closer to finding out what happened to chance so at least they are receiving some tips especially at that point in
the timeline within the first four months that he was missing and as stated these are multiple States across this
great country and they're contacting those jurisdictions the jurisdictions have been cooperative and did their
investigation and unfortunately they're not finding chance either like I said I I like the demeanor of the lead
investigator Brian Brian Eads which I believe he actually worked for the FBI at some point but he was saying that
during this investigation that they've had times that they have have used the FBI as a resource and um different FBI
agents from different states and basically when he goes through the list during his interview
he mentions I don't know five or six different agencies that they've worked with I I do want to put out that that uh
you know Bailey has kind of said that look the they didn't take this serious from the
beginning and and maybe that would have changed some things but look a lot of these departments are
underfunded and this is July 4th weekend there is a lot of calls I think it's like the the most domestic violence
calls are normally over the July 4th weekend that's because I'm out in the streets raising hell just beating
everybody no but here's the thing when when that is said by Bailey I want to counter that with the fact that she
didn't call to report him missing until the following morning yeah so she can question how they reacted once they
received the information at 11 A.M on Sunday but keep in mind that's news to them at
11 A.M on Sunday when according to her he went he went a walk-in at 7 30 p.m on Saturday
they don't have much communication or she doesn't have much communication with him after about 20 or 30 minutes after
he's gone a bad storm comes in around 9pm they call off the dogs and quit looking for him at some point between 9
and 11 P.M and then they wait a full 12 hours to report it missing so I'm not trying to
point the finger but if you're going to say well they didn't take it super serious
from Jump Street well I don't think you and your family took it super serious from Jump Street either and I don't
really blame Bailey's family or the police department for not taking it super serious from Jump Street no I I
definitely don't blame him I I question why wasn't there more urgency because of
the severity of this storm right and I I hope that it's not a situation of Bailey and her family saying you know
what well he's he's a real jerk and he stormed out of here and he said some things to us or me that I didn't like
and if he wants to stand out there in the freezing rain well so be it you know I hope that that's not the situation I
hope that they did continue to look for him and at some point decided you know what he probably took shelter somewhere
we cannot make him answer his phone and we have to go home at some point I I sincerely hope that that's the situation
I do want to make sure too as we're going through some of these posts in these media statements and releases from
the gearing Police Department you know we kind of hitting some of the highlights if you will of their
statements rather than rehashing everything that we've covered so far they do end these statements with
reminding the public that this is an open ongoing investigation they're still looking for chance they're not going to
press any charges should they find him he's not done anything wrong but also the reminder that if you believe you
have seen him or if for some reason you believe you know what has happened to him that you should call the gearing
police department at 308-436-5089 we will have that phone number in the show notes for today's and
yesterday's show and they also say that you could contact the gearing Police Department via Facebook so there's
there's your ways to pass along any information and you know captain and I always say the same thing don't sit
around and wonder if what you have is is good information or bad information give
it to them let them decide if you think you saw something or if you heard a rumor some trucker picked up a cowboy
somewhere and the area of gearing in July of of 2019 and something went down past that information along to the
appropriate people there are even with the the difficulties that were going on with Bailey's Family and Chance's family
there are people there that are hurting and they're hurting bad and there there's a son that is missing his father
and there is a wife that is missing the answers of what happened to to her husband well I'm glad you brightened
that up because one of the things with the Eads one of the things he said that and I find this very telling
they have multiple stories of a robbery going wrong multiple stories now they have they have
no evidence for or against these are tips that have come in and what's interesting about this captain and I
know you're going to get to it but what's interesting to me about this is multiple stories coming in that yes they
have some different details within those stories but there's a lot of similarities too and it's you tell it
because you tell it better anyway no I I think I think you will but uh I just have I reviewed some some pretty short
information that Eads had stated we've received those tips we're looking into it because there are similarities in
some of these tips that have come in Yeah so basically you know maybe the the set of people in the rumor is the same
but the details are different on how it went down and this would be a robbery gone wrong I guess right right that
someone or someone's attempted to Rob this man chance who was seen walking alone yeah and it seems as if the way
Eads of saying it is that we've been able to contact and interview and investigate these leads all from the
perimeter where it's always well yeah I heard that rumor from so and so and and then they
track down the so-and-so and then they go well I heard that rumor from this other person and they haven't really
been able to find or investigate and do interviews and and possibly polygraph test the
actual individuals of the story if that makes any sense I know that sounds a little fuzzy well I love fuzzy and I
love the captain and so what I'm thinking that that means what that says to me Captain is that there is some kind
of breadcrumb Trail just either they're missing the first few breadcrumbs to to pick up the trail or they're missing the
last few in the series so there's something it's not a complete picture for them to fully investigate and and
figure out exactly if these tips are in fact extremely valuable to their investigation
I want to discuss the different theories we we touched on this earlier and asked
you to think about the possibilities of what could have happened to the chance as we went through his life his Social
Circles and the events leading up to his disappearance and even some of the actions and behaviors after he went
missing so let's Circle back and revisit each one of these now that we all have a
good amount of knowledge on the case and a complete picture of the story or as much as one can gather
so the first possibility first Theory here would be some type of misadventure Theory right as the gearing police chief
pointed out in one of his posts his media releases the last ping from Chance's cell almost perfectly aligned
with the arrival of the intense storm could chance have died in an accident caused by the elements I think this to
me raises some big questions because it it seems a little too much of a coincidence that roughly the same time
that this terrible storm comes in his phone it is no longer working it seems to line up too too much for me
it's a little too much on the nose in this situation to go much further past that to say that this is not a
possibility you have to consider the storm to be a strong possibility here in my opinion so that would lead you to
things like drowning in the river right if chance was walking near the river in the dark in the rain
could he have lost his footing and fallen in and drowned in the rushing waters this would explain the abrupt
shut off of his phone perhaps his body has not been found because it's wedged somewhere
the counter argument to this though would be that chance was an avid swimmer and an incredibly experienced
Outdoorsman and an athlete he was very familiar with hazardous weather and what not to do
and the North Platte River in Nebraska is not exactly the Mississippi but as the captain pointed out that night it
could be raging it could be faster flowing than normal if chance drowned I do think though that
we would have found him by now just because we've reviewed this in other cases and it always seems to me that the
body surfaces at some point or somebody finds them at some point and it's been a
long time it's been a long time since I left you with a dope beat to step two yeah look like I said before and I'll
say it again I don't know if you could exhaust all options on finding out what happened to him if he fell into the
river or something happened with the river because of the size but I think you could do that with the lake and I
think that's where I would exhaust options there so I could at least rule it out if we're talking about
misadventure the other thing to consider is hypothermia you know it's a possibility and the police expressed
some concern about this in their investigation in their statements now that would mean that chance became
soaked in the storm and his body temperature dropped to a dangerous level again it's not really clear how familiar
chance was with this area I'm guessing kind of vaguely but the direction he was heading in
based off of the phone information is toward the national park so totally unsettled and vast could he have died
somewhere and he just has simply not been found you know we have Philip krasik the ultra marathoner in
California just this past summer died under a tree and wasn't found by Searchers who later were saying that
they had been within 300 feet of him the whole time looking for him now remember that gibberish text that he
sent to his aunt at 908 could he have been disoriented already at this time and he's he's trying to
convey that to his aunt I I call into question that like my counter argument to that portion is is a is a couple of
things one this was July so it only got down to 56 or 57 degrees that night so would that have been cold
enough for this situation to be profitable and maybe possibly with the 70 mile hour winds the other thing too
is with him being disoriented with that text I lean toward toward two different thoughts with that text either Dawn is
correct and somebody else had his phone or this may have been some kind of butt dial or pocket text that was sent that
really has no significance to the case at all other than we know his phone was still on and active at that time yeah
and I say that because if we are going to when when exploring this possibility we're saying that there's it's possible
that the storm disoriented chance in some form or fashion this text is at 908. the storm comes in shortly after 9
00 PM right would this have been enough time for him to it's almost like you have to become disoriented immediately
like within a matter of just a couple of minutes which I don't think somebody in
his physical I don't know that he would have become disoriented that quickly unless uh unless he was already
disoriented because he was intoxicated yeah I know it's an open investigation but God damn it I want some information
maybe it's not going to help solve the case but I want it for myself there's speculation online that they didn't even
go golfing that this golf trip never happened so well that would be a bit of a red
flag that's definitely a red flag so if I'm an investigator I'm going I want to make sure that happened and then on top
of that if you have his credit card information and you're saying that everybody in the family and everybody in
Bailey's Family is being cooperative with you I want their bank statements I want to know how many drinks were bought
I respect his best friend Matt Miller but Matt Miller was possibly intoxicated during that conversation I don't want to
take anybody's word for anything on that video footage I see a man that looks like he's trying to catch his
balance for making a 90 degree turn I I agree but we do have several people that
say that say they see it differently than than you and I and they do know him better than we do now I'm not saying
that we're wrong I agree with you I see somebody that doesn't appear to be totally sober but I don't think he looks
to be as drunk as Brian Shaffer did in his uh surveillance footage video but if I'm an investigator and they probably
know this information and obviously they don't have they don't have to share this
information with the public but if I'm the investigator that's why I want to get no did this golfing event happen
what was the argument really about uh did he actually argue with uh Bailey did anybody see him at the grandmother's
house and how much booze was in his system well in all all of that's too is very difficult and I can only speak to
my own experience so I don't know how everybody else is but I know with me alcohol can be a dangerous thing because
I my body does not always react the same way every single time there's been times
where I've had a couple drinks and I'm quite quite toasted and there's other times
where I can drink all day and night and feel like I'm pretty sober you know lightly buzzed so
but he's still toasted it's well you say that but I'm telling you my experience and I don't know that we I don't what
I'm getting at is I don't know that we could look at a list of what was consumed or purchased and know what was
consumed by who and what quantities affect people in certain ways of course if we're seeing a large amount of of
booze then we could make the assumption that that maybe he was messed up regardless of that though Captain we do
know from the surveillance footage that he was alive at those times later that that evening again you you are
absolutely right if the information we're being provided is incorrect about what was going on
before he walked away or went missing that brings up a whole different set of scenarios and a whole different bit of
problems for the people that are telling us that he was golfing and telling us that he rode back to the grandparents
house before walking off the other things we need to consider a possible suicide we know from too many
tragic cases there are many times when someone takes their own life and the family does not see it coming or they're
not found for a long period of time you're right one doesn't uh kill themself and then dig a hole and bury
themselves but we have reviewed cases of bodies being found where they're not found for several years later and it was
an obvious suicide that is later determined Foul Play is a possibility as pointed out by law enforcement and his
family his family seems to believe that this is the most likely scenario for the
most part for example Chance's grandmother said quote in my mind somebody has done something to him and
somebody knows what's been done to him and someone has hidden him very well and chances mom said she believes that
somebody did something to him and she believes someone else had his phone at some point or along that same lines of
Foul Play did he did Chance by some strange bad luck come in contact with the wrong person or persons who did
something nefarious to him for unknown reasons and it has been said that there is a significant contingent of people
who believe that Bailey's Family was responsible and that theory would go something like this Bailey and
chance were not getting along and their families also not getting along chance also lost his job and Bailey's Family
wasn't too happy about this there's some type of argument after Golf and when chance stalked off in a tantrum
walking away from his wife and baby maybe Bailey's male relatives went after him and took care of things
uh we should point out how strange or Preposterous this would seem to be as people have pointed out Bailey's Family
is a normal one not a bunch of criminals with records of violent histories but you know there is the possibility
that if they did find chance in the argument continued and ex and escalated when they you know they told him to man
up and get back to Bailey and his baby what if a fight breaks out and he's killed you know by accident or otherwise
but then that leads us to the situation of Bailey's relatives would have to have
disposed of his body returned home and then no one outside of the family is any of the wiser look I get a little pissed
off though you pour concrete and they go well when we looked into that we don't believe it has anything to
do with it well what you could do is just dig it up I'm sure there are some insurance claim that would well we I
mean we have his family and we have police that say we've debunked that theory that we've we have investigated
that theory and his family is saying we are satisfied with the results of that investigation and his family's the one
that's saying that we believe that Foul Play is responsible for him not coming home so I I don't know that we can say
that it wasn't dug up or that certain tests weren't conducted to confirm that there's no body or bones underneath that
right right that cement so that that very likely could have been done I mean you have the loudest voices for Foul
Play is his mother and his family and they're the ones that saying are saying that we're satisfied
with the result of that investigation we don't believe that to be a possibility any longer after the information we have
been told or seen or whatever we should point out though a counter argument to Bailey's Family being
responsible for his disappearance would be what would the motive be right other than anger in this argument
because there's no life insurance policy he was chance was the sole Breadwinner The Sole Provider for his family so his
wife and son need him alive yeah well think about this we get an argument because we want you to move to this
state so you can make more money to benefit your family uh you don't like that idea so then we kill you because
that obviously would benefit your family but I think you have that reversed where
they were living the minimum wage wasn't the same as where they were visiting and what Bailey
is saying by the standards where we live he's making good money that's why she's
saying that she believes that he misunderstood a comment or something that was said to him we want you to do
the best you can for your family right that was their point and then he was mad about it
so so then they kill him like that the motive doesn't make a lot of sense there but again I think if if I'm the
investigator I'm I'm looking into the actual golf outing did it actually happen did the argument actually happen
what was the art argument actually about uh now I know that there's been multiple
polygraph tests done in this case it's just not clear on who those were for and it it seems to me the way it's implied
is that Bailey has never taken one right and again there's all kinds of problems
with with polygraph tests and results another possibility that we wanted to explore today too Captain was maybe he
took off maybe he wanted to start a new life somewhere that theory is often discussed in
missing persons cases the theory that he deliberately left and is living his life
somewhere else in the vast majority of cases we dismiss this Theory and for good reason there's just nothing to back
it up in most cases and it also seems unlikely given the circumstances again in most cases but I will say here in
this case I see it a little differently I see a situation in Chance's case that it might be more of a possibility than
it would be in most cases because it's pretty clear from everything that I've reviewed that there's there's some drama
in this young man's life his family and Bailey's Family they're not getting along they're not very friendly with
each other when he disappeared Bailey didn't call his parents until the neighbor calls her so she's
not getting along with his parents and then we have Dawn his mother's own words to Matt saying well we'll try to reach
out to him but we don't think he'll want to talk to us even though he needs something even
though he is in the he needs something he needs a ride he needs some help he needs someone to pick him up and bring
him home we don't think he'll talk to us so there's something going on in that relationship I get it you know maybe
between the stress of new wife new baby new house new job just lost my old job that I thought maybe would be my career
I don't really get along with my family and if I stick around and try to love my
son and raise my son I'm going to constantly have to deal with her and her family
from what I've reviewed Captain there's not been his disappearance hasn't brought these two families closer it
doesn't sound like grandparents on on Chance's side have seen much of their grandson Banks since he went missing
which is sad because the the babies the banks is father went missing it takes a village anyways and now this baby
doesn't have his father don't don't keep um his family from this child they they
love this child they want to help uh raise this child they want to see this child do good in the world
but I'm going to defend Bailey for a second because we don't know what has been said to her or the actions that
have been done to her since this and if you feel like what I'm saying is don't use the kid as a pawn
um but at the same time like if these people were making threats or you have uh you fear for your safety for some
reason or fear for your child's safety then then I I understand why you want to keep your distance and to be clear it is
all perspective right I'm just simply saying in this situation I see a higher probability for reasons
that chance might go off and start a new life then I have seen in other cases that we have reviewed and I say that
here just because again it comes down to perspective we don't know what his perspective was on his life and his
relationships at that time but from the outside looking in you know it's pretty easy to walk away when you don't feel
like you're walking away from much of anything at all and so I think that there's a higher
probability for that in this case than would be in most cases now the counter argument to that would be
his words to his friend when he calls Matt Miller he has a plan he says I'm walking to this destination 35 miles
north of me closer to my home 35 miles closer to my home I need a ride for someone to come pick me up and take me
to my home that seems to be a clear thought out well who knows how well thought out but at least the plan for
chance that night he didn't call Matt saying F everybody I'm out of here no he said I need to get back home and we know
that he did not get back home we know that nobody successfully picked him up if they did nobody's talking about it
and there's no surveillance footage of it or no witnesses to it so it seems to me like for him to have gone off and
started a new life elsewhere and to walk away from his old life something had to
change inside of chance after that 7 46 p.m phone call that night to Matt Miller
if that doesn't change then he should have ended up back home and that means something bad happened to him after that
call obviously there's no conclusion in this case at this time but uh what are your final thoughts this
case reminds me quite a bit of the Tyler Davis case episodes 296 and 297 on your true crime
garage dial in that case Tyler was out with his wife and a friend and something happened some kind of argument
took place and he decided he was going to go for a walk and never came back and we have no trace of Tyler and no one
knows what happened to him and here we have a very similar situation or from what we're being told
chance gets into some kind of argument I believe he was arguing with more than just his brother-in-law
I believe that he was probably arguing with most of Bailey's family that was at the golf course I believe he was arguing
quite a bit with Bailey during that 20-minute car ride back to the grandparents house and he goes off
walking because he's upset he's angry he feels like he's been mistreated and it doesn't
sound to me like he was going to go and just walk it off he was going to go home
he was going to go back to his home now what was going to take place in it after
that in his mind no one knows I cannot say that but the thing that I cannot get past
is I feel like the timing of the storm and the last contact with chance is not a coincidence
as unlikely as it seems something must have happened to chance in the elements and his body is just not where
authorities have expected it to be who knows how accurate the cell phone information is we've seen them waffle on
that a little bit or how lost and disoriented Chase could have become during his travels that night or if his
phone died and he actually traveled miles from where he was last believed to have been
I think there's just a big mystery here captain and I I wish Chance's family and
Bailey's family nothing but the best and nothing but good luck in this situation
and their continued search for chance we've seen Brandon Lawson uh believe that that we may have some some answers
finally in his case so you can hold out hope I think that it looks a little Bleak obviously given
that he's been gone for so long but maybe they'll get their answers and hopefully they get them soon
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On Saturday, July 6th 2019 - 25 Year old Chance Englebert vanished after an argument with his family. Chance was a new father and husband. His family says he is incredibly responsible and would never leave his son. Chance was spotted on surveillance cameras that evening but has not been seen since. He is described as 5’ 9” tall with a medium build. He is caucasian with sun-lightened brown hair. At the time of his disappearance he had a mustache and goatee. Unfortunately his family suspects foul play. If you think you have seen Chance or may know what happened to him please call the Gering Police Department @ 308-436-5089 or contact GPD through Facebook.

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Brief Summary

Chance Engelbert went missing under mysterious circumstances during a severe storm, leading to various theories about his fate.

Key points

The Mysterious Text. A strange text from Chance raises suspicions about his whereabouts.
The Storm Strikes. A significant thunderstorm complicates the search for Chance.
Search Efforts. Friends and family conduct organized searches for Chance after he goes missing.
Cell Phone Investigation. The investigation reveals a cell phone found on Chance's porch does not belong to him.
Police Cooperation. Both families have been cooperative with the police throughout the investigation.
Open Investigation. The police remind the public that this is an ongoing investigation.

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Where was he for two and a half hours?

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Tension

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