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Today is a bittersweet day. Today, after decades, we are finally going to be able
to tell you the identities of two victims back from 1997. The mother's name was Tanya. The baby's
name was Tatiana. You'll get more detailed information on their identities from Captain Fitzpatrick. The reality is
our work has just begun. Knowing the identities of the mom and the little baby is just a first step to help us get
to solving these murders. Having their identities helps us now say to the public, please, if you knew Tanya, if
you worked with her, if you met her at the grocery store, you had an interaction with her, please contact us
and let us know. Every little thing we can find out about her leading up to her death will help us to solve this
horrific, horrific crime. [Music] Most of today's information is coming from a website dedicated to several
homicide victims. Cases that have not been adjudicated yet, but are moving in the right direction as far as the
investigation goes. Unfortunately, there are a lot of victims here and all of them featured on this website. The
website is gilgocase.com, a website dedicated to the victims and really a central location for folks who
want to know more about this case, learn about the case. There's not only victim
profiles and evidence information that is featured there, but also some very helpful timelines and maps as well. Some
visual aids if you want to learn more about this case. This is a case that we have covered many times before, but
never in the manner that we are about to here today. Today, we are going to hone
in on two of the victims and examine those cases specifically. This is a case with no shortage of names. The Long
Island serial killer or Lisk, also the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer. And as many of you
already know, they have someone in custody after many years of investigating. The man in custody is
62year-old Rex Herman, who was arrested in July of 2023. and the court proceedings are dragging
on, but we are nearing what should be a trial here in the coming months. This case involves multiple murders. Many
cases that went cold over the years, many homicide cases that started off simply as missing persons cases and that
from several jurisdictions before bodies were found off of the Ocean Parkway near
Gilgo Beach. And this is Long Island, New York. While law enforcement are still connecting these unsolved
homicides, victims that were killed prior 2010 to victims that were found after. But this true crime story really
kind of kicks off in May of 2010. And this is when 23-year-old Shannon Gilbert mysteriously disappeared from a gated
community on the southshore of Long Island. Shannon Gilbert was working as an escort dancer at the time. At the
time of her disappearance, she was working at a late night party in the Gilgo Beach area. a party that has been,
you can say, well documented, at least her fleeing the home and running and knocking on doors in the neighborhood.
That portion of it well documented. Her driver for the evening, Michael Pack, he's given his side of the story. What
is doesn't seem to be well documented is who was all in attendance at this party
that she was working the night that she disappeared. >> Yeah. Not only are they being secretive,
but the information that they put out seems to be a lot of lies. But we were happy to announce in the garage that at
least the full length of the 911 call coming from Shannon was released in its entirety. Once that was released, we
combed through it here in the garage in one of our just many episodes that we've
done on this case. And in some of the portions that we've covered, it's still unclear what connection or ties they
have to the overall case. And I'm talking about the Gilgo case, like the website that we just mentioned. Shannon
Gilbert's disappearance ultimately led to a search that uncovered 10 bodies along a desolate beach highway. Some of
these cases were linked to other sets of human remains previously found around Long Island and several more may be
connected. Due to the similarities in the victimology and in the manner in which these bodies
were discarded, it was very quickly believed that several of these cases were in fact connected, possibly all of
them. Now, shortly after the discovery, the general consensus seems to be that either we have one killer that was using
this area or perhaps we have two serial killers operating in the same general location and roughly in the same general
time periods, >> right? which expands years. Of course, the case made national headlines with
the media naming the perpetrator, the unknown perpetrator, the Long Island serial killer or Lisk, among the other
names previously stated, but the name stuck. Long Island serial killer or the abbreviated name of Lisk. So, more
detail here, Captain. In December of 2010, police discovered a body near Gilgo Beach off of Ocean Parkway. This
victim would be identified as 24year-old Melissa Bartholomew. 2 days later, the bodies of three more
women were found nearby and soon identified as Amber Lynn Costello, aged 27, Megan Waterman, who was just 22
years old, and Marine Bernard Barnes, age 25. These women are now known as the Gilgo
Beach 4 and in the manner that they were found and the particulars of their disappearances has forever tied these
victims together. They are all believed to have been killed and discarded by the
same perpetrator. the line of work that they were in, the fact that all these individuals were not thriving, they were
all trying to survive, and then also the area in which they were discarded. 3 months later, this brings us to March of
2011, the partial remains of a 20-year-old female victim was found. She was then identified to be Jessica
Taylor. These remains were found near Gilgo Beach as well. Part of Taylor's body had actually been discovered 8
years prior and 40 miles away in Manorville, New York. Days later, three more sets of
human remains were discovered alongside Ocean Parkway. The first was 24year-old Valerie Mack, whose partial remains had
also been found in Manorville as well years prior. With Valerie Mack, like some of these other cases, it would take
a good deal of time to make a positive identification. An unidentified toddler was found near
Max's remains. Going off of memory here, Captain, if the old garage memory serves
me right, I believe at the time that it was presumed that the toddler, the unidentified toddler, and the then
unidentified Valerie Mac remains were a pair, potentially mother and child, >> right? Because they were found so close
to each other. >> 2 miles west of all of this, police discovered the skeletal remains of an
unidentified Asian person believed to be 17 to 23 years old. later referred to as
the unidentified Asian male. A week later in April of 2011, two more sets of partial remains were found along Ocean
Parkway. When you put them all together like that, Captain, and and have to give
a rundown of all of these findings, it's just it's a lot. It's um not just a lot
in the way of numbers and number of victims but a lot in the way of emotions as well. Now, there has been a lot,
speaking of a lot, there has been a lot of speculation, as one would suspect, and let's say there's also been a lot of
movement on the case in the investigation since the time that those bodies were being found, which started
in 2010 as far as connecting the cases go. And a lot of that speculation came down to what cases and victims were
actually connected, who is responsible for their deaths, for placing their bodies where they were found, and
frankly, how many monsters did we have operating undercover on Long Island, killing innocent women,
a man, and a little child. Yeah. >> More recently, there has been much more movement on the case since the July 2023
arrest of Rex Herman, >> the murderous ogre. >> That's right. We've dubbed him the ogre
here in the garage. If you have if you're listening to this, I believe you have access to the internet. You can
pull up pictures of this man for yourself, and I think you will quickly agree. He is not only a monster, but
very much an ogre. very large large man. But for nearly 30 years, Captain, the remains of one of the victims, a
murdered woman, remain unidentified. But this was up until earlier this year. So, let's go back to the very beginning
because there is plenty of good reason to believe that the two cases that we are going to look at under the
magnifying glass today here in the garage are in fact linked to the other cases, the other victims that we just
named. We're going to go all the way back to June 28th of 1997. >> Yeah. And this is when the dismembered
torso of an unidentified Africanamean female was found in Hempstead Lake State Park in the great state of New York.
>> Yeah, Lake View, New York. >> So, we have some hikers. They found a torso that was wrapped in a black
garbage bag and crammed inside of a green Rubbermaid container in the wooded Lake View area. The way that I
understand this story to be, Captain, we have couple folks out walking, taking in
nature, enjoying the beautiful sights, getting a little exercise. >> Yeah, >> it's summertime.
>> One goes off the trail. >> They spot this green tote, right? It's like this large
Rubbermaid tote box. They say that there's a horrific smell coming from it. There is a lot of insect activity near
this Rubbermaid container. >> I believe it initially was found by just one individual. Could you imagine
walking off the trail seeing this Rubbermaid tote and like you said, you got these insects around it. You can
smell something and not a familiar smell, not a good smell, not not stopping and smelling the roses smell.
And then you have to go back and tell your buddy, hey, there's something weird over here. And then he has to experience
that. And then and then at some point you go, well, this is above my pay grade to lift up this bin. Basically,
>> I do a good amount of walking the woods and trails and you find an animal carcass regularly and
you do catch that smell from a distance and because of what we do and spending so much time in this garage and talking
about these cases, of course, it's on the top of my brain. Oh no, today is the day that I never wanted to experience.
Thankfully, that's never happened for me. So, uh, these poor people or this poor person that found this gruesome
discovery, I I couldn't imagine. What we quickly learn here is that while we have
these remains, and of course, we've already said dismembered torso of an unidentified female victim found inside
of this Rubbermaid container. The unidentified victim's arms, head, and legs, so legs cut below the knees were
not present in this finding. They were not in the Rubbermaid container with the torso. They were not scattered around
the area. This they simply weren't found. What was found inside the Rubbermaid container with the torso was
a red towel and a floral pillowcase. I'm a little uncertain of this particular detail here, Captain, because it's not
present in most of the reports that I've seen regarding this finding, right? >> But in some reports, it is stated, and
these are reports much later, that it's stated that some jewelry, some gold >> jewelry,
>> yeah, bracelets and such were found with the torso. But like I said, in the original reports, none of that was
mentioned. I don't know if that was going to be early holdback information regarding the pillowcase that was found.
We said there was of a floral design. It's very green, dark colored with some some brighter colored flowers kind of
scattered about on it. Uh red and white looking like a red flower with the baby's breath. It's a
Whamuda Supercal brand. The reports state 1997, but I don't know if that's because it
was found with the body in 97 or if they were able to determine that it was manufactured or sold in 1997, but it was
Whamuda Supercal brand. It's a little odd to me that this story wasn't covered more in 97. The victim's head's not
found. both the arms and the the legs below the knees were missing. >> You would think that this would gather
some more attention. >> Yeah, you one would hope so. us not being from that direct area, I can't say
with a great deal of certainty how much attention was given to it, but we would get some leads based off of some good
work that the police are going to do and using different forms of media to to get
a lead. And the I'm looking at a picture of the Rubbermaid container. These containers, if you have a garage or
basement and you're storing things, things like Christmas decorations, these are great for storing books, too,
because they keep moisture out. While they're not airtight, they they're pretty secure. But if you have a
basement or garage, you you know what kind of container we're talking about. These are larger containers. The the one
that they found had the the sticker that would be on the container when you purchase it. that sticker is still
present. You can see it. I think that this was called a keeper >> tote or a keeper container. And you can
even see the barcode still there. But while from an investigative standpoint, here's what you're looking at. Of
course, you want to identify the victim that was found. However, somebody has gone to great lengths and measures so
that you would not or make that very difficult at the very least. But you're also going to, like in so many other
cases that that we've talked about, you're going to use the other items that were found with the victim, the
container included in that as possible identifiers or a way to at least hone in on a specific area or time frame
regarding your victim. All this could potentially help lead you to learning who the victim is. And you do not have
in most cases you do not have a suspect pool until you know the identity of the victim. So that is step number one and
that is going to be the most important part of your investigation. Well, the fact that the victim is found in this
rubber container and wrapped in a towel, wrapped in a pillowcase, then that's probably going
to make it harder to figure out when they were discarded there. But also, you'd think, well, Rubbermaid just makes
probably a couple different versions of these bins, so that's going to be hard to figure out if this one is unique at
all. But they they are able to find out it's somewhat unique as far as they know
when it was manufactured and when they stopped manufacturing it. >> Yeah. And as said there were I don't
have the exact number on me but there were thousands of these this particular container that were made. The victim as
we said was found in a green plastic container dumped next to a road is the short version that you get. The long
version you get is located approximately 200 yards north of Peninsula Boulevard on the west side of Lake Drive. The
victim had a tattoo of a heart-shaped peach with a bite out of it on her left breast. Thus, she was given the nickname
of peaches when they could not identify the victim. Later also the name of Jane Doe number three would be applied to her
and we'll get into the how that came to be as well. Police estimated that she had died less than 3 days before being
discovered. Here is the report that went out at the time in hopes of identifying
the victim. So this is the information that they put out to the masses in hopes that somebody will come forward. and
they simply state, "We found an unidentified female located on June 28th, 1997 in Lake View, Nassau County,
New York. Estimated date of death no more than 3 days." And in fact, I saw some of the reports here, Captain, where
they were telling the public no more than 3 days, less than a week or 36 hours, at least 36 hours, but no more
than a week. Cause of death homicide. Estimated age of the victim suspected to be 16 to up to 30 years of age.
Approximate height and weight unknown for obvious reasons. Scars and marks identifiers on the person. She had an
abdominal scar possibly from a cescareian section and a distinctive tattoo of a peach in the shape of a
heart with a bite taken out of it and two drips falling from its core. this located on her left breast and it was
noted that the tattoo was approximately 2 in in size. Well, there's your identifier and I and like I said, I
don't think this got a lot of national attention, but I'm sure it got some local attention. So, then you have this
killer out there going, "Well, I murdered this victim. I disposed of them." probably not in the manner in
which he wanted to, but he obviously because basically a severed torso, no head, no arms, no legs. So, the killer
put in some effort, but within 3 days possibly of discarding the victim, then this hits the news. This probably had
the killer sweating a little bit. >> One would hope so. And like you said, it's obvious that while he may not have
wanted her to ever be found, all of his effort went way more into the idea that she would not be identified if she was
found. >> Yeah. And I think the problem is it's it's hard to learn much about how they
discard a victim in the sense of well, we don't know if he was interrupted. And so if he was interrupted, did that
change his plans on how he was going to discard this victim? Because I I believe
there was a a body of water that was somewhat close. So you just wonder what the the the mind frame is of this killer
at the time, but I think it's hard to say because I think in these locations that seem to be pretty remote, once you
see headlights coming at you, you might alter your plan. The other thing of this
too is my guess is this being a a park. What did we say? A state park that and it being surrounded by some heavily
populated areas. This wasn't the first body that was found in this park. And maybe he had read that in the newspaper
even decades prior or seen something on the news and thought, well, if somebody else dumped the body there or or others
have, this this might be in a weird way, it's a it's a suggestion, right, to to the killer. Right.
>> After finding the woman's torso in 1997, her distinctive peach tattoo was distributed widely in hopes that someone
would recognize it. to the specifics of that. I go to a July 3rd, 1997 Daily News article that was titled Grizzly
Fine Puzzles Cops. And it reads, "Nass County detectives are hoping that a chest tattoo of a peach will help them
identify the headless naked torso of a woman found in a state park. Police think the tattoo artist or someone close
to the mutilation victim will recognize the design and step forward to identify the woman whose partial remains were
found in Hempstead Lake State Park by a hiker. The woman's head, arms, and legs below her knees had been hacked off and
have not been recovered. quote, "We've shown photos of the tattoo to tattoo artists in Nassau County, and they've
told us whoever made it should be able to recognize their own work." End quote. That was a police source that had said
that to the newspaper. The victim was an African-American woman with a medium build between 18 and 30, according to
this article. We said 16 and 30 earlier. The peach tattoo is above the woman's left breast. The body also has a scar
from a cescareian section on the abdomen. Cops believe the victim had been dead for more than 36 hours in less
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>> Cheers to you, Colonel. >> Way up there in the air. Yes. Cheers to you, Captain. Cheers to all the good
people in listener land. I love what the police decided to do here. This was very
smart. So, they put this information into a tattoo magazine, right? Makes a lot of sense. We can already see the
groundwork that they're doing within their own county. They go around to different tattoo artists in in that
county and they're asking them, "Have you made this? Did you make this? Is this your artwork? Do you remember
putting this on anyone?" And the information they're getting from those tattoo artists is great information for
police. While it doesn't tell you anything who the artist was or who the victim was, you're hearing from these
artists that no, this is this is unique enough that whoever created this, if it's somewhat recent within the last
several years or what have you, they should be able to recognize and remember doing this work. So, what you're
learning when you hear that from different artists in your county, it's telling you, well, we've talked to every
artist that's still licensed or still operating today, >> right? >> And this didn't come from our county.
>> Well, and that makes sense to me because especially at that time period in the
late 90s, it was very common for people to go on a a trip. uh we're going to go to Panama Beach and and we're going to
get a tattoo while we're there or we're gonna and especially a tattoo like this and also an individual that doesn't have
a lot of tattoos. >> So it wouldn't be like you know a lot of people that have multiple tattoos are
going back to the same artist over and over. I have multiple tattoos of the Rolling Stones lips logo all over my ass
from a Fort Lauderdale trip that I took a >> while ago last week. >> You should see them.
>> Yeah, I can't because >> Hey, we'll post those on our social media. >> That's right. So, in the I have a a a
snippet from the tattoo magazine. It shows it very clearly shows the tattoo as pictured on the victim's body. And
underneath it says, it looks like this is was part of a larger article, but the portion I have says, Crimes Stoppers is
offering a reward of up to $1,000 for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons responsible who
committed this crime. So, they've already probably described the murder or described the finding the victim, right?
and it gives a a 1-800 tips line to call and says that all calls are anonymous. You don't have to reveal your identity
to help solve this crime, but it works, right? Casting a wide net usually works.
And here it does as well. So then we get a tattoo artist in the state of Connecticut who comes forward. He says
that he believes that he is the one who gave the tattoo to the unidentified woman. The tattoo artist claimed that
the woman was about 18 or 19 at the time that he said that he did the work. So, this is a good
lead, right? They they got the lead because of a picture of the tattoo was featured in a national tattoo magazine.
It was Connecticut tattoo artist Steven Cullen that recognized it and claimed he
gave the tattoo to a woman in the year of 1996. So, the year prior to the body being
found, saying that she came in with two other women when she got the tattoo, who
going off of memory, he says he believed they were said to be her aunt and cousin. She also said that she was from
either the Bronx area or the Long Island area and that she came to Connecticut because she was having some troubles
with her boyfriend. Pretty descriptive lead there. Despite this lead, no other person came forward to identify the
torso and no other information was gleaned from this tip. The victim remained unidentified and investigators
continued to use her nickname of Peaches. >> And law enforcement wasn't able to look
up missing person cases in those areas that matched her description cuz it seems like nobody made a report that she
was missing. >> Yes, that seems to hold true. The other thing too is the reason why you like
this lead is because as you know and with my Rolling Stones tattoos often times these tattoos can also be very
personal and the given the location of this tattoo on her body you as a detective you're wondering well how many
people would know about this tattoo but the lead you're getting is telling you that she came in with two other people.
You just really hope that there would have been a missing person's report that they could have connected this to at
that time and and obviously that's not the case. >> It could be her first tattoo. So people
love to show off their tattoo. It doesn't matter where it's at. I mean I can't stop you. I mean you've had these
tattoos for years and I can't stop you from pulling down your pants and showing me those big big old lips. In 2007,
there's a possible new lead here in this case, but it's not the good kind. This comes in the way of another victim that
could potentially be tied to this victim in some form or fashion. So, this comes
about on March 3rd, 2007 when a suitcase containing a dismembered female torso with a similar tattoo design was found
in Harbor Island Park in New York. The similarities raised the possibility of a possible connection between the victims.
The victim, this time described as possibly a Hispanic or light-skinned African-American. This is a female
victim. A stab wound was noted to the torso. One of her dismembered legs washed up at Cold Spring Harbor
on March 21st, 2007, so just a few weeks later. And her other leg washed up at Oyster Bay in the
village of Cove Neck the following day. The victim this time had a tattoo of two
cherries on her right breast and she is referred to as cherries by investigators. She is estimated to be
5'4 in to 5' 6 in tall and approximately 160 to 200 lb in weight. This finding is
almost 10 years later. >> Right. And it's after this another horrific finding in 2007 of the victim
referred to as Cherries that we have to fast forward all the way to 2011. Remember we were already talked about
the victims being found in December of 2010. But they would continue to search that general area and unfortunately
continue to find things scattered in that general area in the weeks and months to come. So let's go to April
4th, 2011 when we have an unidentified toddler that was found along Ocean Parkway at
Gilgo Beach. The gender of the child was undetermined but believed to be female.
I've come across this in some of the other cases that we've talked about when you have the younger victims and there's
a good deal of decomposition or you're only finding skeletal remains or partial remains the
because of the body being it's not developed that it gets very difficult to determine the gender the sex of the of
the remains that are found. So, this victim is referred to as Baby Do or in some cases the toddler. Police estimated
her age to be approximately two years old. She was found wrapped in a blanket with no apparent signs of trauma. So,
found along Ocean Parkway. Now, this is where police had recently discovered murder victims Melissa Bartholomew,
Megan Waterman, Amber Lin Costello, and Marine Bernade Barnes. the previous December. So th this is you have this
horrible case on Gilgo Beach and now you're finding a child victim that you have to think or believe just given the
proximity is probably connected to your Gilgo 4 case, >> right? >> And then as we mentioned earlier, there
was similar jewelry that's found with this baby dough that you found with your Peaches victim. you're still
unidentified Peach's victim. >> What do you make of the discarding of the victims and how the the Gilgo 4 are
like a cluster? Do you have any thoughts? >> Yeah. So, I think that the often what we
have here is that the killers will operate in a area that they're comfortable with and often times they'll
that will be referred to as their comfort zone. And that could mean a couple different things like where do
they find their victims? They find them in their comfort zone. Where do they kill the victims in their comfort zone?
Where do they discard of the victims in their comfort zone? And it doesn't have to be all three done in that area. But
what it appears to me with the these victims being found so close together, the the Gilgo 4 and found very much in
the same way with burlap bags and there was some bindings and they're they're placed off of the
road but in some very heavy brush. And what we do know that did work for the killer was that they weren't found for a
considerable amount of time. And I think what we have here, let's say, let's pretend for a moment that our
unidentified Peaches victim that was found ve in a very different manner, right? Just
simply placed in a state park in a large storage container compared to burlap bags and heavy brush kind of out in the
middle of nowhere. I think that you're seeing a couple things. If it if it is connected, it's goes back to what
you had said. Oh [ __ ] 3 days later, the that thing that I placed, the item that
I placed in the state park has now been located, has been found. And oh, there is an identifier on this victim. Because
what do we know that the killer did? We can surmise that he went to the efforts to make sure that she would not be
identified because of the removal of the the hands and the head. >> But he left the identifier by the
tattoos. And so if you connect these two Rex Hammen, he eventually has this documentation that says, well, you got
to make sure that you distort and destroy these these markers of identification. And so I almost think
that you can hypothesize that Rex is responsible for peaches and possibly cherries because similar victimology,
similar way that he discarded the victims. And I think maybe he learned something in the idea of well, if I wrap
the victim in in burlap, which is more of a natural material, that they'll be less likely to
>> well, they'll break down faster, but also when you're out in the woods, a big
plastic tub or a luggage bag sticks out like a sore thumb. >> Yes. and the nature of that container
would be likely to preserve the what's inside as well. So you're right where and we can see that too. We can directly
tie some some evidence found inside of his home later, much much later that that appears what he was doing. Like you
said, he's learning. He's educating himself. And some of this is coming by way of trial and error. But referring
back to our blueprint for murder episodes where we went through the findings in his home in the computer and
it appears that he was as cryptic as they may be was taking notes almost setting reminders of hey last time this
didn't work out so well for me but this did so keep doing this part of it but don't but let's stop doing that part of
it. he was working to get better. This again goes this is a slap in the face of the old serial killer myth that they all
deep down inside they all want to get caught. There might be a few that that want to get caught. But when you see
somebody learning and trying to perfect the way and that the bodies would not be
located, that's every indication that this guy has no desire to get caught. In fact, he has every desire to make sure
he can stay free so he can continue doing what he loves to do. And that unfortunately is to kill young petite
women. >> Well, we've heard from a lot of serial killers that after the kill, there's a
time period where they like paranoia sets in because they're, oh, the cops were going to, you know, come get me
right away. I and so it's something that I'm sure that these killers think often
about and like you said some of them maybe will I I think maybe it's just something that oh I got caught so then I
tell you oh well I'm actually smarter than you guys I wanted to get caught sure you did you wanted all your
freedoms to be taken away but my question if I'm studying these individuals is when you're processing
this idea of I could get caught one day. Was there any thought of how you would handle that? We have some killers that
when they're caught, they will not confess to any crimes. They'll claim they're innocent no matter
>> like >> what evidence, >> right? And then we have other ones that once they get caught, it's almost like
they're like, "Okay, the game's over. Let me tell you all about my statistics." It
>> It gets No, I think you're I think you're spot on. I think a lot of them do. The the more organized type, I think
they do think about that and I think they do take that into consideration. I also think that just
>> the more organized ones seem to study other serial killers. And so in in that
study, what you're going to find is killers that were caught, identified, and and convicted and then killers that
were never identified and still remain a mystery till this day. So when you're studying that, part of it is like you
said, these guys got caught. Well, how did they handle it? What did they choose to do? And it's also what what what
motivating factors where we can look at this in in and boil it down to its simplest form
and say whoever's doing this very likely is doing it because they are a sexual satist.
>> But I also am of the belief and I think you are as well that there's a lot of
motivating factors in this. Some of it is ego. We see that with somebody like BTK. I think that Herman has that in him
where he wants credit for these, but I don't think he's I I think he's happy to not be the one to stand up, raise his
hand, and say, "I did this. Give me Give me the credit. I'm some genius serial killer." I do think he has some egg on
his face because he was caught. Who knows how he will behave? I what I would be interested to see, Captain, is does
his behavior change >> with a conviction? >> When he's convicted >> when he's >> Yeah. Because it it could be at that
point the game is over and now I will tell you about my my masterpiece and their sick twisted ogre brains. But
hey, I I speak for all the listeners. Stop agreeing with me on a lot of stuff. You're being too nice lately.
>> Agreed. Um, >> agreed. >> There. So, there's a lot that happens, some behind the scenes and and some
right in front of us regarding this Peach's victim between the time that the torso's found
in 97 and then we have the identification made and announced earlier this year. That's a long time
that's gone by. Now, during the course of that, we talked about the additional human remains, the toddler being found
in 2011, but there were also additional human remains that were discovered in a plastic bag on Jones Beach uh at Jones
Beach State Park. And this is the to put it short, it's Peach's torso torso's extremities.
and they're found about 15 miles apart from where the toddler was found. It's from my it's my
understanding here, Captain. This is why I think the jewelry portion of this is a
little confusing, but I think it was only when these when this portion of remains were discovered that the jewelry
was discovered. They figure out using DNA that the additional human remains belong to the torso. Unfortunately, the
head is never found. What we then learn, >> we really do talk about some sick [ __ ]
in this garage. >> This is terrible. They should burn the garage to the ground. In September of
2011, at a press conference, investigators displayed images of that jewelry that we talked about, believed
to belong to some of the victims. Among the items was a rope necklace and a pair
of hoop earrings which were likely worn by the toddler whose remains were found.
There were two bracelets recovered with the child's remains that are believed to
have belonged to her mother. So, one bracelet featured an X and an O patterns adorned with stones resembling diamonds
while the other was a snake style chain. >> Were they ever able to figure out anything from this? because these were
pretty generic designs. >> Oh yeah. Uh I don't think so. I This doesn't appear to be how what led them
to the identification. So what we learned is DNA analysis confirmed that the torso found in 1997 and the remains
found in 2011 were from the same divid individual. It was also confirmed that the woman
known as Peaches was the mother of the child found in 2011. So you're it's taking a long time here,
right? But you are starting to connect the dots. You're starting to connect the victims and you're and while you do not
know the mother and child's name at this time, you are learning more about them,
the jewelry and such. >> Yeah. About 14 years later. >> Exa. Exactly. Well, and a lot of some of
that information is coming up in in 2016. What was not known to the general public was it appears that they had not
100% but very close to it had believed that they had had identified peaches way back in 2022. Okay, so this is how this
works out. In October of 2022, we get several law enforcement agencies that are announcing through Facebook, through
other forms of media that they were looking for relatives of Elijah Howell/H Howard, who lived from 1927 to
1963, stating that this Elijah lived in Mobile, Alabama with his wife Carrie. He
had died in 1963. They were hoping that friends and relatives of this Elijah could help identify Peaches and
her child. So, when you're specifically looking for a deceased individual, like people that knew this deceased
individual and relatives of this deceased individual, that's telling me that you've pretty much narrowed it down
to who Peaches is, either to an actual individual or to a small group of persons. So Elijah was also known by the
surnames of Howell and Howard and was born in Frankville, Alabama. He spent the majority of his adult life in
Pritchard, Alabama. By 1950, Elijah was living with his wife Carrie. During the 1960s, his residence was listed as 616
Garrison Avenue. At the time of his death in 1963, he was employed as a construction worker with the Sullivan
Concrete Company. On October 31st, 1963, Elijah and a neighbor were found deceased in a car off of Highway 45 near
Atmore Street in Mobile, Alabama. The cause of death was determined to be the combined effects of alcohol and carbon
monoxide poisoning. According to records, Elijah's mother Lanna and his brother Sid still resided in the state
of Alabama. And so they're saying anyone with information about this Elijah guy is urged to contact the FBI or submit a
tip online on the FBI's official website. As we mentioned, in July of 2023, a suspect was arrested in
connection with the Gilgo Beach serial killings. While not directly charged in Peach's case, her invest the
investigation into her murder remained active. And of course, there were a lot of people,
>> right? >> Yours truly included that suspected that the Peach's case is probably connected
to some of these other victims. Well, and we also have Google search data from Rex Herman, and
he was, and I don't know if they put it at the time, you know, back in 1997, but he was basically
searching for like it would say like a African-American sex slave, like we weird porn searches. It was this year,
2025, April 23rd, that police in Nassau County, New York, announced that the remains of Jane Doe,
previously known as Peaches, and Jane Doe number three. So, I want to break this down because there is a little bit
of confusion out there because the unidentified victim was given two different names. The torso was nicknamed
Peaches. It was the other additional remains that were located later and far away that to be Jane do number three and
then eventually they figure out Jane do number three and peaches are one and the
same. It was this year that they formally identified or announced the identification of Peaches as that of
26-year-old US Army veteran Tanya Denise Jackson. And Baby D, as we said, or the toddler
was her child. So, what we learned here at the official press conference was that Peaches and her daughter identified
as Tanya Denise Jackson, the mother, and 2-year-old Tatiana Marie Dykes. Tanya was born in October of 1970 in the
state of Alabama. That makes sense. while they were why they were looking in Alabama for the Elijah person. This is
person somebody that they absolutely believed was related to Tanya Denise Jackson. So they're doing
that before prior to making this announcement to the world which actually took place two years later two or three
years later that they they had narrowed it down pretty well is my guess and then
it's the following year that they find relatives and then they have to work through the process of comparing the DNA
to confirm that they're unidentified is a relative of these folks. Then they also have to identify the daughter. We
have some information on her. She was a US Army veteran. Served from 1993 to 1995. She was living in Brooklyn in
1997. Tatiana's father has been identified through birth records as a one Andrew Dykes originally from
Florida. Dykes moved from moved away from Brooklyn in May of 2000. He's been questioned many times by detectives and
Nassau County has said openly multiple times that this guy has been very cooperative and was cooperating in
the investigation. They gave more information about her too. Uh her vehicle, a geo, a black geo. They gave
information that they believe that she was working as a medical assistant, maybe part-time
at the time that she was killed in 97, and that it sounds like her and the father had been split up for some time.
>> But it was probably very hard for law enforcement to clear the father because
so much time has passed. So, for him to present an alibi with some solid evidence would have been pretty
difficult. >> Yeah. And while while I say that he's been cooperative, I've also not seen
anything that says outwardly that he's he's been cleared. But what we also know is that that Rex Herman, who's been
arrested and charged with some of the charged with the Gilgo for murders, he's not been charged
>> with the murder of Peaches. So she had been estranged from her family for much
of her adult life. She served in the US Army, as we said, living on three different army bases uh in Texas,
Georgia, and Missouri. And she drove a black 1991 Geo Storm. The Geostorm is quite interesting to this case because
it's this Geostorm was found, but it was never connected to the case because your
victim was unidentified for so very long, >> right? It's believed that that the killer would have had to. So,
it sounds like she was working in some kind of part-time capacity as a sex worker at the time
>> or in some form of that. That's not been confirmed across the board, but that is
something that's been openly discussed. The thinking here, Captain, is that for some reason she was unable to
secure a babysitter and that her and the toddler arrived at a a pre-arranged meeting together and the the her killer
unexpectedly finds the toddler at some point, >> right? >> And that she would have drove her black
1991 Geostorm to this meeting. And if she did in fact do that, then it's believed that the killer at a later time
moved it or forced her to move it to where it was eventually found. Well, the saddest thing about the Peach's case is
that nobody reported her missing or reported her daughter missing. It's sad to think that there's somebody out in in
this world that u people I guess they just didn't value her. I don't I don't know.
Is it making sense? Or you could, I guess, maybe make the argument that a lot of her connections were states away.
So maybe they didn't even know. >> Yes, they they were several states away. And as said, she was estranged from her
family for most of her adult life. And so they they probably didn't keep in touch. and she we already know that
she's moving around considerably for several years with her time in the army and she served in the Gulf War. She
was a private first class in the US Army and served in the Gulf War. Tanya gave birth to her daughter Tatiana in 1995
and had two addresses in Brooklyn, New York, 54th Street in Red Hook, Brooklyn and Sterling Place in Bedstay in
Brooklyn. She also had P.O. boxes in Brooklyn and in Maplewood, New Jersey. And the authorities go on to say, "While
we do not yet know the circumstances of their murders, we do know that Tanya and
Tatiana have, like all of the girls, captured our attention and our empathy. It is a blessing to know that
authorities have not given up on any of these victims." And they also note that Aram, the great Aram down in in the
great state of Texas, was a partner in building the DNA profiles for both Tanya and Tatiana.
>> So then I guess now the challenge for law enforcement is to figure out if these are connected to the Gilgo 4 and
if they're connected to Rex Herman. Yeah, that is where it stands with Peaches and her daughter Tanya and
Tatiana today. Where it stands with Rex Hamman, for those that don't know, just a quick overview, he's a New York
architect and the suspect in the notorious Gilgo Beach serial killings. He managed to evade capture for quite
some time, well over a decade. He was arrested in July of 2023. For those that have followed the case,
you'll remember that he was initially only charged with three of the homicides. And over in 2024, that
increased from three up to seven. So, as of this date, he's being charged with the murder of seven women. One of those,
the Valerie Mack one, I believe it is, Captain or the Jessica Taylor, pardon me. uh one of those he's only charged
with secondderee murder in those cases. But as said, he's an architect. He's was also a family
man. Currently 62 years old. He worked in Midtown Manhattan. Lived in Masipiqua Park, Long Island with his wife and
children. Neighbors describe him as unremarkable other than his size. I think there was some weird story of him
getting into it with with some neighbor from down the street. I don't know the particulars of that, but ultimately he
would be charged in all four of the murders of the Gilgo four. And the evidence that led investigators to him
was identifying a dark green Chevrolet avoanche that was registered to him that matched witnesses descriptions
from one of the victim's disappearances. and further that investigation linked him to the case through burner phones
and then advanced DNA analysis. And if you follow the case, everybody knows about the the famous discarded pizza
crust uh that they used in this case. >> And then also the the digital >> Oh, yeah. digital the digital forensic
findings on his his computer have were were well have been well documented especially by us here in the garage in
our blueprint for murder episodes since his arrest. His wife Asa has filed for divorce. However, is it is reported that
they do remain in some kind of contact. The divorce settlement was reached earlier this year and the authorities in
Suffuk County. So, he's being kept in custody up until his trial at the Riverhead Correctional Facility in
Suffach County. And there they're saying that he is compliant, he's polite, and seems to be adapting well to jail life.
More recently here, Captain, in just last month, in September, a judge ruled that the DNA evidence collected using
the whole genome sequencing technology is admissible at Hyramman's trial. This was a major blow to the defense, which
sought to have the high-tech evidence thrown out of court. And this I think this was great too and we've we touched
on this prior to our conversation here today, but the judge also ruled well denied the defense's request to sever
the seven murder cases. Right. So the defense wanted to say, well, he's got to stand trial for each one of these
murders that he's being charged with in a separate trial. The judge denies this,
ruling that we're going to try all these together, which is considered a big win
for the prosecution because what the jury is going to be faced with now rather than looking at each case and
when really when All right. In his defense, I hate to be one coming to Rex Herman's defense, but in his defense.
Thanks a lot. >> If [ __ ] >> Yeah. What a what a jerk. >> What a jerk. kick me out of the He's
just been voted off the island, you little jerk. >> You've been voted off the island there,
Colonel. Um >> Nick will not be back with us next week. >> But if you look at some of these cases
individually, you wouldn't go, "Wow, there's a mountain of damning evidence against
this guy." But when you throw all the cases together, you see it. And I think you see it very clearly. This guy looks
to be very guilty. He is the ogre monster that we described him to be. and where it stands now. And of course, this
is a high-profile case, but Rex Herman's next scheduled to appear in court on January 13th, 2026.
And the trial is expected to begin sometime next year. And until then, Rex Herman has pled not guilty to all of the
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While law enforcement continues to connect crimes and still more victims to the infamous Long Island Serial Killer investigation we decided to take a look at one of the more recent developments in this ongoing saga. In July of 2023 a family man and architect named Rex Heuermann was arrested in connection with three murders tied to the Long Island Serial Killer case or L.I.S.K. for short. Those names and a few others were given to a series of unsolved homicides where the bodies and remains of several young women, a male, and a toddler were discovered in and around Long Island, New York. It is undetermined at this time if all of the murders were committed by the same killer or killers. Since the arrest of Heuermann, investigators have continued to make progress. Heuermann was charged with four additional murders and we now know the identities of two of the victims - Peaches/ Jane Doe #3 & Baby Doe.

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Brief Summary

Tanya Denise Jackson and her daughter were identified as victims of the Long Island serial killer, linked to Rex Herman's arrest.

Key points

Identities Revealed. The identities of two victims from 1997 are finally disclosed, marking a significant step in the investigation.
The Long Island Serial Killer. An overview of the Long Island serial killer case, detailing the discovery of multiple victims.
Arrest of Rex Herman. Rex Herman, the suspect in the Long Island serial killer case, is arrested after years of investigation.
Tattoo Clue in Murder Case. Police distribute images of a distinctive peach tattoo to identify a victim.
New Victim Found in 2007. A dismembered torso with a similar tattoo raises concerns about a serial killer.
Unidentified Toddler Discovered. A toddler's remains found near previous murder victims raises alarms.

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This case involves multiple murders.

Introduction to the complexity of the Long Island serial killer case

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