Delphi Murders Trial /// Part 2 /// 801 | Forensic Files

[Music] 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German disappeared in 2017 near their hometown of Deli Indiana
their bodies were found the following day near a hiking trail the accused killer Richard Allen has pleaded not
guilty Ian Lee has the story for a fourth day in Indiana jury will work to decide the fate of Richard Allen the
52-year-old is accused of murdering 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German during an
afternoon hike in February of 2017 a solid suspect eluded authorities for years despite multiple sketches and this
grainy video recorded on one of the girls phones John topkins is an Indianapolis defense lawyer who has
followed the case since the beginning it's a huge task for this jury in deliberations because there are for
instance over 300 State exhibits among those exhibits confessions that the prosecution says Allen repeatedly made
their main message was that Mr Allen confessed and included facts that would only have been known to someone at the
scene in some of those confessions the defense challenged that argument by claiming the prison psychologist who
Allan confessed to was a true crime fan herself she was talking to Mr Allen about things that she heard on podcasts
and also Mr Allen was provided copies of the discovery which had some of those facts as well lawyers for Allen pointed
out that no fingerprints DNA or forensic evidence links Allen to the murder scene
and that for more than 5 years after the teens were killed he continued working at a nearby pharmacy during closing
arguments last Thursday attorney Bradley Rosie told the jury he had every chance
to run but did not because he didn't do it the Highlight from the prosecution's argument I think was trying to tie in
the video and the identity of Mr Allen and convince the jurors that the person that they see as the bridge guy is
actually Mr Allen and they did that through similar clothing um and other things if found guilty Allan faces 130
years in prison for CBS mornings Ian Lee Deli [Music] Indiana the best that they can do in
this case is to shrink it down to one person and that one person they're saying is Richard Allen the prosecution
saying he is Bridge guy and Bridge guy killed the girls which going back to the what I was saying about the uh we've had
all this time to look at this case and then we've had all this lead up and build up to the trial and now we've had
several weeks of trial and I know and I understand that murder is not supposed to make sense to us regular people and I
also understand that people do things that they didn't plan to do but the murders themselves here in this
situation even after learning more still make absolute zero sense to me I the The
Narrative is that he went to the trail system we we regularly refer to this as a park because it's it's very similar to
a park like setting so forgive us we know it's not an actual Park but so he goes to this area to this park with the
intention of sexually assaulting somebody do I have that correct I I'm not sure I I think that's has been said
I believe yeah I think what it is clear again I can't confirm that he went to the park with that intention but he but
I do know that he said when he saw the girls that he was like well they're between the ages of 11 and 18 and I'm
going to rape them it fell into some range age range that was sufficient to him and very strange and very sick yes
especially when we're talking about a guy that's a father probably I don't know man it's a sick thought well yeah
yes but I think even more so but anyway let's trying to move past that but then the Nar as the narrative continues it's
that during the commission and operation of that he's interrupted or startled by a white van and then and
then decides to murder the girls and then goes back to his car drives home and and was just going to live out his
normal life after that yeah I I don't understand why if it is Richard Allen if it's somebody else whatever I don't
understand how that how that has to become murder wouldn't you couldn't you just wouldn't you couldn't you just flee
like I don't I don't understand like again I think the one of the problems is he has mental issues and again I I don't
know if he if he was on medication or not but I know that some of the medications that people are on
some of the medications they advise you not to drink on because you can go into um states of psychos or psychosis and
and and to be clear here neither the captain and I are doctors nor have we ever been confused for one but from from
well I have but just because I played on I was I was in the original cast of ER for a while but um well but and just to
be clear too it you probably shouldn't drink on any medication at all um you know not just just certain medications
but but I mean whoever did this took took a box cutter or a sharp instrument and and slice their throats yeah well I
mean that's pretty that's pretty that's pretty brutal that's pretty brutal to just be like well I was startled in the
commission of this other crime and then I I did this as a result well I think the and I I think this is what it's
going to come down to we know the who Richard Allen we know the where we know the
when we know the how but some of the how we don't know so his confessions fill in
those gaps and they do so in a manner that makes sense and then he then he's the one that tells us the why and
because when you have a victim that doesn't is naked one victim is found naked and the other victim is is clothed
and that doesn't make much sense until he explains to you the motive and then when you go well how does it go from a
sexual assault or rape to murder and then you go well he was interrupted by somebody that was a neighbor of this
area of this location coming home with their service vehicle and then we can back that up by knowing that that
neighbor came back to his house roughly around that time again the defense is going to argue these minute details
details of minute by minute what we said multiple times in cases is when you're looking at a timeline you know factor in
that there's going to be some mistakes whether that's a little 10 minutes earlier or 10 minutes later some people
would say well that's a big deal cuz but you don't have to prove the timeline within seconds of the murders and so I
know that this this bomb dropping of information that they think is bomb like a bomb going off in the courtroom of
this Headphone set that was the the data of the cell phone shows that at some point the the the headphones were um in
um at some point the headphones were import well that that's going to be the claim but really I think the science and
the tech of it is that the the headphone jack where the where the headphones would be plugged into on the phone was
manipulated that like for my understanding that's all they can say with 100% certainty not that actual
headphones were put in or taken out but the the the Jack itself registered some type of action which impli which means
that they were manipulated which could imply that yes headphones were either put in or taken out at that time however
there is testimony that says well if the phone were to be encountered debris or get wet then then it could have the same
reaction and think about where the phone they're outside in the in the woods and
they probably were forced across the creek or they're you know they're found lying down in the in the the woods so it
seems very reasonable that the the headphone jack registered some type of manipulation it's it's very reasonable
to believe that the phone got wet condensation or dirt or B on it at some point and I can't speak to other cell
phones but I've had Apple cell phones for years and where you plug in the headphones and where you plug in the
charger is the same location on some of the phones some of them have been different but I've had multiple
situations where I had to get a new phone because that input jack is faulty and so if I put my phone on the charger
at night maybe it would charge for 30 minutes and then sto charging and then later on that night it started charging
again that's not evidence of a person messing with the Jack that's not evidence of a spiritual entity or
demonic entity in my room doing this that could just be evidence of a faulty Jack and like you said the Jack could be
faulty because uh it got debris or water in it so and then then this idea and people I'm just going to disag agree
with people I think the evidence on the phone the video evidence the audio evidence all the evidence shows us this
was committed by one person they would have to have some kind of weapon to control these two individuals we have
evidence that there was a at least um at least two weapons a gun because we have
a bullet that bullet come from somewhere and then we have OB sharp instrument yeah and uh and then he tells
US during the confession that it was a box cutter and that he disposed that behind the CVS a box cutter that he was
part of his work uniform basically that they that they open up so many packages and such that it is regular for a person
in his position and a person who works at that CVS to keep a pocketed box cutter throughout the course of a work
day so much it's used so much so that I I believe that it's it's that it's a part of their uniform oh yeah when I
worked in a warehouse I probably had two to three box cutters on me every day and
so I think the evidence points to that this is done by one person so this idea that there's two people and then that
they tried to present this idea that that maybe the girls were taken away and and came back but the cell phone data of
their phones kind of disproves that theory uh so to me well and I'm glad you I'm glad you're I'm glad you're hitting
on this here Captain because I think that too many people have tried to focus in on this point and and then make it so
that it means that Richard Allen is innocent because the defense has certainly tried when they've had law
enforcement on the stand and say well isn't it true that at one point in your investigation you were investigating the
potential of multiple perpetrators that that it was carried out by two people is
that true and then the off says yes well duh it's true because the the investigation last 5 and a half years if
at some point in that 5 and a half years the investigators didn't consider that it was more than one person I would say
we have the wrong investigators on the case and what what law enforcement is pointing out is the same thing that the
captain is saying here just because we explored that possibility doesn't mean that it was two people what they're
saying is we have to follow the evidence this the evidence that the scene did not
rule out the potential of two people but it it didn't it also didn't present itself that it had to be two people or
more that's the problem with this defense right like and and I shouldn't say the problem I I overall and we can
get into this here in a little bit I think they've done a fairly good job they've not put on a good defense to the
point where I think that we're going to get an AC quiddle or even a hung jury I I think where their shortcomings are is
that they bring up these possibilities and they explore things like well maybe it wasn't his car or maybe Richard Allen
was the guy seen on the bridge but Bridge guy didn't kill the girls they they go down these weird which I think
the video evidence and the audio evidence proves that whoever they were filming on the bridge that guy is the
one that confronted them again like we said and the down the hill is the seal seals the deal it's it's the perpetrator
moving them to where they're eventually found yeah and we also have to realize that there was evidence that the crime
scene that one of the victims you know without a Shad of a doubt was killed there and yes her body was moved a
little bit but the blood evidence would show that she was killed and and died at
that scene so that again other evidence that they weren't taken away and and that's something they've said from the
beginning they weren't they they didn't say that outwardly the first week or month or so but eventually once that
came out early in the investigation they stuck to that they being law enforcement
so where we we talk about the crime scene and possibility of more than one perpetrator or what have you they've
never said at any point that we have anything at the crime scene physic physical evidence telling us that the
victims were moved and and yes I know the captain just said one victim was moved but we're talking about feet moved
just a very short space Not Taken elsewhere not not any of these Fantastical thoughts and speculation
that have certainly been plentiful um leading up to the arrest and even after yeah I mean this is very
difficult and I understand the concern of the public to go did we get the right guy let's just talk about the
confessions for a little bit their defense is basically well he was tortured and I have a I have a problem
with that statement because I I think I was telling you uh what a week or so ago I was watching this thing
where these uh pedophiles were put in prison and some of them didn't make it to trial because they were murdered the
first night that they were in prison so when you have victims that are just kids
you go well they tortured him by putting him in solitary confinement well did they torture him or did they protect him
and that also could be both at the same time as far as that could be a sense of torture for somebody that has mental in
instabilities an expert for the defense says that any form of solitary confinement on a long enough timeline is
a form of torture however that they're not he's not saying specifically to Richard Allen situation he's saying for
anyone anywhere but then the problem becomes something you and I spoke about and both agree upon is the the job of
that Corrections Facility is to make sure that this individual is alive and well and can stand has his right and
gets his day in court and and like you're like you're saying if if you throw him in with with with uh with
individuals that want to get after this guy Richard Allen may not have his day in court and then the other thing you
got to say is well regardless of what this may have done to him deteriorating him Mally and emotionally or whatever
like uh Mr Mr Allen would you like to be in with the rest of these guys or or would you like to be kept by yourself I
would think that if he's in his right state of mind he's going to say at Le maybe not 10 for 10 but nine out of 10
Put Me by myself please right yeah and and so we get this conundrum where we go well he confessed to the crime and he
confessed to it multiple times and one of the things I keep seeing online that I think is a little silly is this idea
that well Richard Allen would have got Discovery Well I believe some of the confessions were before the time frame
that prosecution had to give up all the evidence over to the defense team so you
can make an argument that some of these details he would not have known of but the interruption of the neighbor that
was not in any evidence and and do people really think that he's sitting in his cell in his solitary
confinement cell and going over Case Files the defense team is privy to that information and we don't know exactly
what they told their client and when they told their client that and I think that is going to be the Crux of this
whole case we have confessions multiple confessions and I think it's important that the prose ution said well he told
the he told the prison guard this and he told the his psychiatrist in prison this
I think that's and to be fair not all the confessions exactly line up with each other right and and that I also
think that's a misnomer that this idea that the killer knows every detail and can uh paint the the exact picture to
tell us everything that happened but and his I think the most important confessions are going to be the ones to
wife and to his mother and and I what I've said to many people when they say are you fall on this case
did they get the right guy I have to say that I don't know because I'm not I'm not in that room but I guarantee you I
could have a way better grasp of this if I got to hear his demeanor and hear what
he told his wife and his mother I think those are the most important y confessions and I think okay so what do
we what do we know we know that the jury heard those and so I think if they come
back and they convict him it's going to be as simple as they heard those convictions and they believed him they
they believe his confessions they believe that he was the man seen in the video on the bridge and then the bullet
evidence as well and and um the the thing here is with these confessions I really think of this
defense as a bit of a wet fart okay and and and hear me out here's why right like unfortunately you know
maybe we'll get a some kind of uh Tums or a modium some kind of sponsor out of this but I I can I think that any person
of a certain age can say that they've experienced a wet fart at some point in their lifetime yeah now unfortunately
nobody wants to have a fart situation but it does happen and now sometimes when that happens what what happens
immed well two things happen immediately you have juicy you you get you get a bit
of relief if you're having some stomach pain but then you have a whole another problem on your hands right so the
reason why I think this defense is a bit of a wet fart is that when they when they are are questioning the things that
make Richard Allen guilty their client guilty when they call that into question and they bring Tes from other
individuals that that might cast some doubt on it they're taking the jury down a road they never really fully get there
but they also don't go out of their way to explain why and I think that's that's
where they've messed up like with this whole car business of having a couple people on the stand that say the car
that I saw doesn't match a Ford Focus Richard Allen's car or any Ford Focus for that matter but they don't yes
they're casting doubt that's obviously clear but but what they're not telling the jury is they need to take it a step
further and go look we're not trying to say that our client wasn't at the trails
we're trying to say that he wasn't there long enough yeah to carry this out and that's where I think that they're kind
of dropping the ball they do that with with with with some of the um you know he's he's terrified of conflict
therefore he's not capable of creating his own Conflict by assaulting or raping or killing some people people but they
they don't go and take that extra step to explain that very well to the jury now here's where I do think that they've
done their job the defense in my opinion at the end of the day they number one guilty
innocent or otherwise their number one job is to have their client's best interest at all
times to be working in the best interest of their client at all times right where
I do think that they may have and this would be some very behind the scen stuff here and there'll never be any way of
proving it maybe if one of them writes a book that will will know if this is true
or not maybe I'm completely wrong I'm regularly wrong people regularly wrong that book but where I think because I've
had so many people go Nick he told 40 50 60 different people that he did this why
doesn't he just plead guilty and spare everybody the heartache and and my my initial reaction was well he doesn't
want to embarrass his family he doesn't want to admit it to his family no the captain's already pointed out some of
these confessions are to two of the people he arguably loves the most his wife and his mother and so if he's
already confessed to them he has nobody left to save face with but then I say like Eddie Murphy in uh what was it
in Coming to America aha aha I say the aha moment is the person that he's probably been been instructed
to save face with is his defense team I hope well I shouldn't say that I hope because I don't really care but I
believe that they told Richard Allen stop confessing one it's bad for your trial and two don't plead guilty because
guess what if you do end up being in prison for this for the rest of your days now everybody in that building who
may want to harm you they know for sure that you did it at least leave some doubt on the table so maybe somebody
doesn't stick a shiv in you at any point [Music] [Music] me I don't know it's just it's it's very
it's this whole case is difficult and it's sad and you you would hope that there's more evidence you'd hope that
there was DNA evidence You' hope that there's fingerprints and I think the problem with the True Crime Community
now is we need to have not just one Smoking Gun we need two or three of them because the pendulum always shifts oh
Richard Allen was arrested and everybody's like this guy's you know a bag of salty dicks and and now they're
going well you know he was tortured in prison no he wasn't tortured he was protected from indivual put aside for
safekeeping and like I was telling you I watch that special on what happens to pedophiles in prison and there's this
one pedophile that they've decided not to kill the whole prison decided we're not going to kill the guy but they have
stabbed him in the eyes with pencils and they've and and the amount of times that
he's had to go back to trial for like appeals or or for whatever reason he's going into prison where he has scars on
his neck and his head and and they just decided we're not going to kill the guy we're going to just keep torturing him
and that's what Richard Allen is probably afraid of if he committed these crimes now here's the tough thing and
look I if I'm stating this wrong wrong based off the video I saw then I apologize but like I said it's going on
your permanent record yeah I'm keeping track of these things well I've been wrong more than you have so carry on
this uh Pat Brown this FBI profiler I think she has some interesting points but I think she believes that the
prosecution didn't prove their point enough again she's not in that courtroom so I don't think she would be
surprised if he is acquitted well and and I respect Pat Brown's opinion and I'm thankful that you're presenting it here
but what what I was saying earlier is is is there presentation lacking yes is does it leave something to be desired
yes it does however I think that they are going and presenting this the best that they can based on off of the
physical evidence that they have yeah that that's just That's my kind of rebuttal to uh Miss Brown's opinion yeah
and I think the thing again is it's going to come down to those confessions that they heard not the hearsay
confessions right because you got to take all those with a pinch of salt but I but I do believe that you know if if
these confessions just the the happen just the confessions happening I do believe is true I don't I don't know
were these people able to get to a notepad and write down every detail and then the sign confession that looks like
a kindergarten artwork mess but we have tape confessions to his wife multiple tape confessions to his wife and his
mother I think it's going to come down to that do they believe what he's saying on those and if they do they're going to
convict him and if they don't um then then he's going to walk and then that opens up a whole other can of worms and
it opens up a lot of wounds and throws alcohol in all those wounds one thing too we down the
hill that's a lot of people when they went to this trial the ones that were able to get in they were seeing Richard
Allen in person for the very first time right what everybody really wanted was that oh you get that tingle in your
earballs you want to hear his voice you want to hear his voice does it match does it sound like bridg gu's voice in
that in that now Infamous audio and the general takeaway that I've heard time and time again is they played
two sessions of videotaped uh questioning of Richard Allen by law enforcement by detectives and the most
people thought that there was a a considerable difference in audio quality between the two but the one that seemed
to be of the highest and best audio quality he sounds like Bridge guy on that version on that tape of the
questions especially when be when he becomes angry and confrontational with with the detective asking the questions
yeah I also think the thing that is going to be interesting is and this is just my opinion so take
that for what it is but one of my issues with my mental health was the doctors whether they were too quick to
prescribe something I remember going and getting prescribed anti psychotics now think about that I'm I go to my doctors
I tell them I'm not doing so well I just B basically I'm telling them what I think I have now I'm not a doctor
and the doctor says here take these drugs anti- psychotics and then I go to a therapist for the first time and the
therapist says are you on any medication and I said well they just prescribed me
X Y and Z and the therapist said to me oh I don't know if you should be on those but uh but you know It's Tricky
getting on and off medication so I you know these doctors say Richard Allen is clearly not faking
it and he clearly had a mental break well faking a mental break and having a mental break can look very similar MH
and then there's also if you killed two children and didn't have a mental break then you're a whole different kind of
monster yeah and and again are you faking a mental break or you are you leaning into it and again I don't know
what his alcohol consumption was so I don't know what physical withdrawals he was having from that and and again I
don't understand what medication he was on or wasn't on but I think that's another decision that the jury's going
to have to make is is he going crazy because he did commit these crimes is he playing into
this and those that's evidence that we're we're just he we're everything we're hearing is hearsay so you know
when people have asked my opinion I keep going back to if I was in the room I'd have a better answer for
you yeah but we're not in the room and but what's sad to me is to think that there's people out there saying well he
might not be acquitted and you know obviously if he's innocent you don't want you don't want him to be found
guilty again it's hard for us to make that that call because we're not privy to all the information but if I'm on the
jury I'm going okay well he was there he it's reasonable that he matches the height and the weight he's on the bridge
out of all the people that were in that location there was only a handful of them on the bridge he the video quality
is not great but he looks like the video quality uh we have eyewitnesses we have
the sketch he looks like the sketch he has a gun that matches and we're not talking about a super common gun and
then we're also talking about the ammo not super common ammo either not not super rare though either right right
right but but it's it's reasonable it's reasonable to believe that that that was
his gun that's re and then we have this expert saying no because of these markings it it definitely is gun and
then we have all these people backing up that she's a credible witness um well let's let's go down that
route because of the the junk science statement by many people out there and and and and to be to be clear it those
people seem to be in the minority but so junk science but before the arrest of Richard Allen it was two it was two
experts that work at the labs at ballistics experts at the ISP lab in Indiana that independently of one
another came to the same conclusion that the bullet found at the crime scene came
from Richard Allen sigu two people independently of one another okay came to that conclusion so
now let's go to the trial well if it is in fact such junk science well one why are we using it have we why have we been
using it for decades but then two the the defense is going to put on their own ballistics expert to
combat right what the the prosecution is saying that the bullet came from and so
their expert had a big old file had a whole bunch of photographs and reviewed all the photographs and reviewed all the
information that was provided to him by the lab and he gets on the standing he says well it's my air quote expert
opinion that this this cartridge did not come from Richard Allen's 6h hour but when in
cross-examination the prosecution then ask well did you conduct your own evaluation meaning did you actually get
his gun and rack a few cartridges and bullets through it and conduct your own experiment conduct your own evaluation
of potential evidence to include or exclude this indiv ual he says no I did not he simply looked at the photographs
and came to a conclusion and in fact he slipped up while he was on the stand and
he said had I conducted my own evaluation I may have arrived at the same conclusion as the prosecutions
experts right which basically says I agree with her so good luck good luck so so again so then you go if you're the
jury okay so it's it's reasonable that this is ammo from his gun so and then he tells you what the
motive is and that makes sense with what we see at the crime scene so that makes
sense in the time period in which he was there and then again he's but he's also
telling us the why because they were between this age and this age oh I was going to assault them yeah and then I
didn't because this individual came home and then they go did that individual come home at that time yes he did now
the people that go well he was privy to Discovery that was not in Discovery that
was nobody could have known that but the person that was there unless Richard Allen had a relationship with this
person and knew their work schedule or was stalking this individual he would have no way of knowing what this
person's typical work schedule was or that the fact that he had a service van because that I believe that part of his
his job uh so we we put him at the crime location but we can also put him at the
crime scene because the crime scene starts at the top of the bridge so there's all these scenes and then you
have to go is it reasonable to believe that he's telling us the the truth during some of the confessions sure is
it reason able to believe that he's lying in some of the confessions is it reasonable to believe that he doesn't
know some of the information and that's why it's wrong and some of these there's and this
happens in all these cases but and I understand why the prosecution did it but some of these you know quote
unquote confessions where he they're searching his house and he says it there's no point because this is all
over oh look if he was innocent he could think that his life was over because he's being accused of a double homicide
of children so I I don't put a lot of weight into those because I don't believe those are confessions and like
we were talking about before you know we don't we don't know all the details we don't have a a line by line description
of the confessions when he said stuff like well I K I killed my whole family well maybe just dead to that his
family's dead to him because he committed these crimes or because he's going to be locked up in prison if he
committed these crimes and and I sound like a broken record but I think it's just going to keep it's going to come
back to they heard the words from the man and I I hate when people go well these conditions can make somebody think
that they did it and that's why he keeps on saying well I think I did but it's like again and and and then what's going
to happen is if he is convicted I think what will happen is those those tapes I mean all this information will
eventually get out eventually and there'll be somebody like the murder sheet podcast that goes through and uh
does it what they did with like the West Memphis 3 case files and then put them all up online uh we'll be too busy
covering other cases to do that but I think people will then hear those confessions to his wife and to his his
mother and and they'll they'll be able to make a determination then you know whether they think those are believable
or not um but it's sad because we've been covering this case for so long and to know some of the
family members and just I I think these um I think these the defense team is I think they're douches because first
of all they went down this path of Odin ISM which okay you can go down that path
cuz maybe there was some evidence of law enforcement going down that path but some of the individuals that they put
out on record as thinking that they were involved some of those individuals were
at work on surveillance cameras for the whole time period of the murders of the girls and the fact that they never got
off that I mean they still were trying to bring that into some kind of argument into to this trial even though they were
denied it before and then they were after it was already determined that they could not present that at trial and
then you have some people the the Richard Allen truthers or whatever they want to call themselves that are saying
well it's not quite fair that they're not able to present the odinism [ __ ] this was this was conducted over a three
or four day hearing that took place in the summer this was something that they that they went to court and had court
proceedings for and had an opportunity to present their case and guess what it didn't hold any water that ship sunk
right away and fortunately and I'm very happy about this look this our system is not perfect
I'm not nobody here is arguing that but it's I believe and I'm just one person and and as I've pointed out twice
already in this episode I've been I've been wrong before but I believe that the system is quite good and it is aimed at
finding the true guilty person and thankfully you cannot just walk into a courtroom and present a third party
defense where you just go oh you know what Nick Edwards we think he what about him he could have done it oh the captain
what about him he he could have done it what about um what about their friends from generation why they could have done
it you can't just legally walk in there and just start throwing names around the
room you have to have some evidence just like they did when they had evidence that led to the arrest and the eventual
charges against Richard Allen they you didn't have wouldn't we all be throwing Tomatoes if if Indiana state police came
out before an arrest was made and got and held a pressor that says well what about this guy what about that guy what
about this guy what about that guy what about this guy you can't you can't do that yeah and you especially can't do it
in in a courtroom and that like the Captain's pointing out and he did it much more eloquently than I am
there was nothing there was nothing against these people and and look I do not fault the defense for trying that's
certainly their job but it didn't it didn't work and so nobody can say and be right that they never had an opportunity
to present this third party defense or the odinism idea because they did they absolutely did in a court of law yeah
and I think again it goes back to what I was saying before we got a when where who how and what why and so when you go
well we think you got the who wrong okay well the people that we think did it we
you got to put them at that location and once you can't put them at that location
you have to move on from that idea if they're not at the location they can't commit the murders and I've looked up
some of these individuals that they had in their court filings and and they're some
weirdos you know no doubt about it um they're they're into some I'm sure they think that two guys that do a true
crime podcast out of their garage are fairly weird as well what what is The Morbid girls call their listeners
weirdos that's why it's so easy for us to identify weirdos we we know what to look for you got to like those morbid
ladies I like the fact that they call everybody weirdos cuz hey we're all a little weird for for maybe and some of
us in a good way yeah I might be weird in a in a bad way but so that's what it all comes down to and it and it sucks
because like I said we we've gotten to know the families and we gotten to know a lot of uh people that that's great
English right gotten gotten to know um that's my Ohio in I'm I'm Ohio boy coming out but it's sad that I can't
that we're not going into closing arguments where I feel like they definitively prove their point and that
we're going to walk away with a conviction um I feel saddened by that but like I said back to the defense team
being [ __ ] when they go well we got these hair hairs that were in one of the victim's hands and and they almost imply
that it's like this like pile of hair like it's so much hair that that that the victim had to riping out of the
Killer's head and that's just not true and it's also like what I said it's like the dashboard confession song if you've
lived with any woman ever their hair is everywhere and so it's reasonable to go well she was dropped off at the park by
her sister and there it's very possible that that hair is of her sisters the one
victim was wearing the sister's sweatshirt right which would also probably have hair on it it's uh
and and I think those kind of moves are douchy and it and I think these guys are
I don't think they were prepared well and I think that's why their defense they had plenty of time they had more
than ample time to to be prepared which is surprising as well and in the defense
of the defense when your client is confessing to the crime over and over that's that's a difficult thing um MH
and and I know that people point to other cases where somebody confessed multiple times and and and so they go
and and that's what we kind of do on this show and other podcasts and YouTube channels is we're comparing this case
just like we said earlier there's several cases where the killer presents themselves to law enforcement whether to
get information or try to stay uh ahead of the investigation so that's not unreasonable but I think um but I think
it's going to like I said broken record here uh chalk this up to my file of uh podcast number five million Captain
becomes a broken record when we hear those tapes and I think one day we'll hear those
tapes I think we're all going to have a better idea of if we believe that he committed these crimes or not once again
I know everyone's eagerly anticipating the outcome of this trial with so many eyes and so many hearts watching and
observing this case from both near and afar we are recording this today before the closing
arguments we are recording this uh just after the defense rest and we like the rest of you are eagerly awaiting the
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The trial of Richard Allen who is accused of killing Libby German and Abby Williams in Indiana back in 2017 has wrapped up. True Crime Garage has brought you coverage of this true crime story, the investigation, and the arrest, since May of 2017 starting with episodes #110 and #111. Now we take a look back at the good, bad, and the ugly of this captivating trial.

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Brief Summary

Richard Allen's trial for the Delphi murders focuses on confessions, lack of physical evidence, and jury deliberations.

Key points

The Disappearance of Abby and Libby. 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German vanished in 2017, leading to a tragic discovery.
The Jury's Task. The jury faces a challenging deliberation with over 300 state exhibits to consider.
Confessions and Evidence. The prosecution argues that Allen's confessions contain details only known to the killer.
The Defense's Argument. The defense claims no physical evidence links Allen to the crime scene, raising doubts.
The Aha Moment. The realization that Richard Allen's defense team may be advising him to save face.
The Importance of Evidence. The necessity of solid evidence in proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Murder is not supposed to make sense to us regular people.

Discussion on the senselessness of the crime.

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Tension

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