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let me tell you all about it okay sit back and relax Captain's taking over the son of a [ __ ] died
yeah after his trial he was immediately returned to prison to finish serving his
300 year sentence on June 4th 1980 while working out in the prison yard he dropped dead at age 34.
an autopsy States officially the cause of death was a massive heart attack he had severely clogged arteries yeah but
isn't there some conspiracy that maybe he was drugged yeah and we will get into that but the autopsy States officially
the cause of death was a massive heart attack uh Hart's attorney Garvin Isaacs was quickly convinced that there was no
foul play saying quote his death was natural he said that he looked into it himself the medical examiner found 96 to
98 percent blockage in three of the arteries moreover Isaac said Hart had a family history of heart problems his
brother died at age 38 of a heart attack and his father also died at a young age
of a heart condition right significantly though Hart's autopsy showed that indeed
his vasectomy had failed he was still producing sperm after heart's death the doctor compared sperm
taken from the murder autopsies with samples of heart sperm he earlier recovered from heart's prison underwear
and he said that nothing he found changed the opinion that he had stated at the trial samples from heart and from
the bodies of the three girls revealed quote similar numbers of deformed or decomposed sperm right and as you were
mentioning conspiracy theories about heart being killed well they were abundant and the thoughts were that he
was either killed by prison inmates or secretly by vengeful law enforcement right which we hear this all the time I
mean Hearts victims if if he's responsible for these murders the victims were kids and so there is
you know kind of a boy they call that prison Justice yes that takes place according to Dick
Wilkerson the former OSBI investigator who wrote the book Someone cry for the children a large amount of cyanide was
confiscated from prisoners at the McAllister State Prison the day before Hart died
over 1 000 people attended Gene Hart's funeral and no one else was ever charged with the Girl Scout murders no one else
being ever charged but we have a list of other suspects we need to go through yeah the guilt or innocence of Gene Hart
is still one of the most hotly debated topics in Oklahoma legal circles today but if Gene Hart didn't do it who did
so Camp Scott officials reported seeing strange men around the camp in the days before the murders Ben Woodward saw some
men near a stream running through the camp and on the night of the murder Barbara
and Richard day left the camp to buy milk around 7 30 p.m yeah they later reported seeing a car parked with four
occupants right outside the gates to the camp the possibilities of others seem endless
unless you think about the familiarity killer would have had to have had with the layout of Camp Scott
then even those that believed that Gene Hart was the killer question if heart could have done it by himself did he act
alone yeah well you have three victims and this is what makes it difficult because how could one person subdue all
three little victims at once and then three killed and carried some distance away all with barely making a sound
right plus we also have the multiple shoe prints that were found supporters of this Theory also cite the
widely held belief that the hands of two of the slain girls were bound using different knots which is debatable
the medical examiner cited only a double half hitch in the cords around the necks
of Michelle and Denise while someone else described a slip knot perhaps the not disparity if it exists
at all comes from the fact that Denise and Michelle were tied up in a very different manner
so let's get into some of these different in some of these possible suspects captain
we have Bill Stevens William a Stevens who was 22 at the time of the murders he became a key figure at the murder
trial of Gene Hart he was the man whom Garvin Isaacs pointed out as the actual murderer of the three girls
at the trial Joyce Payne and her son testified for the defense that Stevens came to their home the day the Girl
Scouts were killed with scratches on his arms and red stains on his boots they also linked the red flashlight found at
the murder scene to Stephen saying it was theirs and Stevens borrowed it right which would make sense because if Hart
stole anything from the farmer the farmer is not convinced that that flashlight came from him right and the
woman's boyfriend Dwayne Peters told Oklahoma authorities that Stevens once claimed to have killed the girls while
having war game hallucinations he said he surveilled Camp Scott just like Vietnam and picked out the most
isolated tent so when he was fight fighting uh Charlie back in the day did he also rape Charlie
I I cannot during his war games I cannot attest to that but Peter said that Stevens told him this while the two were
driving around the area in October of 1977 even demonstrating how he covered one of the girl's mouths with his hand
Peter said he refused to believe Stevens thinking he was bluffing until he saw him abduct a woman be and rape her this
was indeed the crime for which Stevens and Peters were later incarcerated in Kansas only Stevens raped the woman the
woman was left to die in her car trunk but survived she identified Stevens and Peters in addition a young girl scout
Kimberly Lewis testified that she saw a man who looked like Stevens at the camp the night of the murders needless to say
this eyewitness ID by a young girl of someone seen in an instant in Pitch Black Knight was and is suspect a
further other problem for the heart defense was Stevens maintained he was working in Seminole the day the girls
were killed at Camp Scott Steven's employers confirmed his story with a canceled paycheck and a time card
furthermore at the heart trial forensic chemist Anne Reed said hair found from one of the victims and in the dead
girl's tent didn't match samples of Steven's hair Peters eventually recanted his tale of Stephen's confession and
said his girlfriend Joyce Payne fed him bits and pieces of information from the news about the case so his story linking
Stevens to the crime would sound more credible their plan was for Peters to get paroled or at least transferred to
Oklahoma as a reward for providing information on his fellow inmate Joyce Payne and her son Larry Short
were charged with perjury she pled no contest to A reduced misdemeanor charge and was sentenced in
early 1981 to a suspended six-month term the charge against her son was dismissed
Bill Stevens was stabbed to death in his cell at the Kansas State penitentiary in
Lansing in 1984 at the age of 27. so maybe it's possible that he's a little office rocker because of war and maybe
by being so that causes death in prison if that makes any sense another suspect whose name was circulated was convicted
child rapist and murderer Carl Lee Myers in his murder trial the state presented
evidence of Meyer's convictions of assault with intent to rape a 12 year old girl in 1976 for which he received
20 years two sexual assaults in 1981 against a 13 year old relative and in 1990 conviction in Rogers County for
murder of Cindy Marzano John Russell an ex-convict who professed to be making a film about the Girl Scout case said the
late Myers confessed to him about the Girl Scout murders once they were sharing adjacent cells Russell gave the
information to OSBI which would say only that the agents checked out the lead Myers died in 2013 of natural causes
while awaiting execution for the 1996 killing of Marzano there is no evidence linking him to these crimes right and we
have the a evidence right they collected the evidence they still have it so we can test it not
exactly then we have a truck driver from West Memphis Arkansas name unknown he testified at the trial that he was
questioned five times about his whereabouts that night other than this statement from The Trial we have nothing
other than this linking him as a suspect yeah but I'd like to know more about this individual because you're claiming
that possibly he's responsible for the death of three children roughly the age of well age eight nine and ten and then
In The West Memphis Three case we have three victims all of the same age of eight all three bound it's just very
similar I mean I know it's you know a decade apart but it's also you got a truck driver and the crime in West
Memphis happened right by a car wash which had truck washing capabilities right so it's kind of interesting there John
Clayton Potts this is a cousin of Gene Hart who was 21 at the time of the Girl Scout murders he was arrested in 1979
for the repeated rape of a 13 year old girl who was also his cousin he lived near Camp Scott and was questioned at
the time of the murders but ruled out as a suspect according to the osbi's Tim Lemke
what's interesting is this quote from Sheriff Weaver Potts identified mugshots of heart and had heart at the scene
within a matter of hours of the time of the murders that when they were committed Weaver has never explained
exactly what information Potts gave them about about heart many believe that pots
was the informant whose information led to Hart's arrest at the shack Ricky Greene was in prison in New Mexico
for burglary but escaped and was found in Oklahoma green confessed to the killings telling OSBI agent Jack lay
that he and two other men were high on drugs when they committed the crimes green was ruled out as a suspect because
he failed five polygraph tests so let's talk about these last two individuals so
John Clayton Potts who was the cousin of Gene Hart right he's 21 at the time of the murders he's arrested in 79 for
raping a young girl so he has similar Tendencies to what we would expect from our suspect
the interesting thing about him is how does he get on this list well one we know that he was involved in the
investigation early on because we have that interesting quote from Sheriff Weaver saying Potts identified mug shots
of heart and could place heart within the scene of the crime within a matter of hours
right from the time of the murder so around the time of the murders that they were committed
what's what's interesting about John Clayton Potts is we know he's an associate of Gene Hart he's his cousin
and he claims to have seen Gene Hart within hours of the murders so he can be a suspect on this list for
several reasons one he puts himself within the area around the time of the murders and two he puts himself with
Gene Hart possibly with Gene Hart shortly after the murders so and a lot of people would think it's more likely
that there was two perpetrators in this crime yeah so you have John Clayton Potts who who fits into a unique
category as a suspect either he did it himself or he could be an accomplice of Gene hearts and you would think though
we got this fingerprint on the flashlight doesn't match him because we know it doesn't match
heart and regarding this Ricky green the guy that was imprisoned in New Mexico for
burglary the guy that he he confessed to the killings mean green he tells the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations
that he committed the crimes he and two other men committed the crimes and we say that he was ruled out as a
suspect simply because he failed five polygraph tests I have to believe that there's more going on with this I don't
feel like they would rule this guy out immediately we do know that OSBI publicly stated they thought that Hart
was their guy so you and I know from our long time of doing this that sometimes they don't really
they're not fully investigating these things after they think that their guys already been you know by this point he's
dead and also the tunnel vision for one and also just I mean we see it all the time with whether it's uh an author or
just an armchair detective that creates a theory and it rules out any other possibilities no matter what is
presented to them no matter what evidence is presented to them but I think there's more going on here with
the you fail five polygraph tests and you're probably changing the story so much that
maybe law enforcement doesn't even know what to believe I agree with that and that's what I think we have here but
that's a sticky situation too because within the bits of his confession he states that he was high on drugs when
they committed the murders so yeah but we've seen that too I mean uh what's what's he gonna remember or how what
will be his memories that he has of those events well we've also had people that have confessed to crimes and um had
other people involved saying hey this person helped me with the crime while they're on drugs and but I think
believed it for so long um but it could be as simple as you know they were high on drugs and saw a news
report about this I have to wonder to when this confession was delivered to OSBI because what
available evidence did they have at the time of this confession because if they still have a lot of evidence on hand
regardless of if you believe his story or his story doesn't add up you know you could chalk that up to him being high on
drugs you can test this evidence you can look at the evidence and you can compare it
to him and the other two people that individuals that he named as accomplices right and maybe you're
able to clear those other two at the very least it's that's a curious story right there I would like to know more
about this Ricky green confession and I hope that there was more to rule him out
than just the failed polygraph test now here's some other angles here Captain so
there's one theory that the counselors or some of the counselors in some way or form were involved in
this so a few pieces of information LED people to speculate that someone at Camp
Scott pulled off an inside job one was the confusion early on about whether the three victims were actually
raped or just sexually assaulted the D.A refused to say that the girls were raped and we now know that there
were differing conclusions about the presence of semen or sperm right which led people to suspect that maybe a woman
could have been involved also we have the small shoe print as well yes the tennis shoe print that was found is
smaller in size more like a female the camp dog this is this is an interesting tidbit
here okay no one reported there was a camp dog okay that lived there that occupied the camp I I had that somewhere
but I don't have it with me today of course not such a disappointment well the camp dog
no one reported hearing the camp dog bark that night we have all these other reports of strange noises and going on
in the in the woods right but nobody reporting this dog alerting them to anyone being nearby so maybe was this
dog was she familiar with the perpetrator um yeah but even if you're even if a dog's
familiar with you chances are if you're in the woods in the dark you're still going to get the
dog to start barking we also have the fact that it's very likely that the killer had some
might have been intimately familiar with the camp itself and the one tent out of all the tents
that were there the one tenth the killer or Killers chose was the only tent that
had only three occupants also we have a towel used in the counselor's tent to wipe their feet on
that rainy night that had been hanging on the end of Carla's bed at bedtime was found by investigators on the 13th with
blood on it it appeared to have been used to wipe some some blood up at some point right
the 2007 DNA testing showed that the pillowcase sample was likely from a woman but it didn't rule out this is the
problem with this it didn't rule out that it had belonged or came from one of the victims themselves right
then we have the story of the minister in 1990 Tulsa World ran a very detailed article containing the following
information an Oklahoma minister Reverend Gerald Manley claimed he can name two of four
men he says participated in the Girl Scout murders 13 years earlier tedley Turner a former private
investigator who assisted officials in investigating the slangs believed manly pushed for a grand jury to be convened
to examine manly's claims letourner said manly claimed to have been in the tent the night of the murders along with some
young men he didn't know but he met when Manley was driving and ran out of gas these young men drove up to help him
manly claimed one of the men led him to a tent in the Girl Scout camp inside the
tent manly claimed he saw one of the Dead girls lying on the floor and two zipped up sleeping bags that appeared to
contain bodies according to the OSBI spokesman when the story was brought to the OSBI agents
were assigned in laboratory tests were performed on a plastic glove that mainly got from one of the men he accused the
glove had what appeared to be blood on it the OSBI submitted a report to the D.A but as far as OSBI was concerned
there was nothing to Warrant further investigation the man who headed the investigation for
the OSBI in 1977 Ted Lemke said he remembered when manly brought the story forward years ago and said
there was nothing to substantiate it he did also say that the OSBI never denied the fact that more than one person could
have been involved Harold Berry who was the first Trooper on the scene at Camp Scott and who went
on to become Mayes County Sheriff at one point said he met La Turner in manly at a
restaurant in 1990 and Barry asked manly to draw a diagram of the camp layout in
the victim's tent yeah he couldn't draw a layout of the camp he couldn't draw a layout of their tent
and then Barry said that's when he leaned across the table and asked the man what will you do if I arrest you
right here for being accessory to the homicides of the Girl Scouts Barry said the man replied well maybe I just
dreamed I was there so strange that seems like there's so many people that want to take credit for this or point
the figure at somebody and we've seen this at other times too we're talking about
it's always the popular cases in the community yeah most likely the most Infamous case in Oklahoma history you
know as far as you know 1970s goes and so we have all these people coming forward that have some involvement
either they did it or they know who did yeah this story comes from claims online
okay so there's a camp called Camp Garland this was a boy scout camp and it was located about a quarter mile away
through the dense woods from Camp Scott right now much has been made of a story circulating online that claims that a
scout at Camp Garland witnessed three Boy Scouts returned to camp in the middle of the night all bloody and
they're claiming they killed some girls yeah nothing has ever come of this story
personally I think investigators would likely have been able to find some evidence left by a bunch of young
teenage boys right who were well who are unlikely to have navigated their way through the pitch black forest
area between the camps in the middle of the night to assault molest and kill three young girls yeah but you got Boy
Scout camp you have Girl Scout camp it makes like a great urban legend story it does but they pop out of let's say
say this let's go through this a bit they pop out of the woods and they tell this individual we just killed some
girls how if that's true this was 1977 since then how many other people would they
have told along the way one and then two what about all that stuff that was found
in those caves that where you can trace back to the murder scene possible planted evidence right and for you to
believe this Theory you have to believe all of that evidence was planted right yeah but but also maybe that uh
flashlight was not Hearts flashlight maybe that was somebody else's flashlight one of the
Boy Scouts and we don't know who these Boy Scouts are quote unquote so maybe maybe a couple of them committed suicide
we don't know but it does make a uh good urban legend story [Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers cheers to
you Captain well all these theories and all these other suspects that we just discussed what that tells me is even
though this case is old it's unsolved and let's go ahead and label it cold it's a cold case right it tells me that
the people the public they've not forgotten no they've not given up that there is somebody out there responsible
for this and it could be Gene Hart who we already discussed right now one thing that we did talk about too was that it
seems on the outside looking in the OSBI and other agencies close to the case they've said some public statements and
done some things that cause you or cause one to believe that maybe the case is closed in their mind and they weren't or
were not actively working the case in the years to come however there were other agencies that were doing some work
on this case yeah we see this time until time again though where somebody says hey look we we think we know who is
responsible we tried them and it didn't work out in our favor but we think we know who's responsible and the reason
that we know that other agencies and other people still cared about this case and again I want to be clear I'm not
completely saying that OSBI didn't care and quit caring I'm not saying that local agencies quit caring and quit
working the case I'm just saying there are things that were statements made publicly that could lead one to believe
that but over the years what we have seen is several groups and organizations and
agencies who kept running tests on the evidence that was found at the murder scene sometimes they're testing this
against possible suspects so we do know that people out there do care agencies do care and they continue to work the
case because this family needs some kind of conclusion there's been many of these
tests conducted over the years and I won't go through all of them because it's it's some pretty heavy lifting
because they kept testing and testing and testing the stuff but I do want to talk about and cite some uh some of
these tests so there were tests run in 1989. this showed that three of the five DNA traits found in the samples taken
from the dead girls matched that to heart right authorities emphasize that only one in 7 700 American Indians would
match the samples of fluids to this extent Hart did but because only three of the five
aspects matched the results were officially deemed inconclusive Jack Graves then Mays County district
attorney said if that test result had been available back then he would have used it at the trial yeah he said what
it comes down to is this if there were 7 700 North American Indians at the Girl Scout camp that
night on the night that the girls were murdered only one would have matched the gene characteristics and the evidence
left there and again Gene Leroy Hart matches this right that's pretty damning evidence that's what he says he says the
chances of that are pretty small no that that's what he said yeah in other words
the best statistical chance that the state could cite that Gene Hart was the killer was one in seven thousand seven
hundred in 2007 the OSBI received a Federal grant to have DNA evidence in unsolved
cases examined by private Laboratories using DNA testing not available at OSBI in May of 2007 the lab issued a report
that no DNA results were obtained from this evidence in this case most likely what that leads us to believe is that
these samples since have deteriorated and we've lost the ability to test to test them
so where that leaves us Captain is an unsolved case where we do have a lot of circumstantial evidence and I would
argue a lot of physical evidence that does link what can only be described as the prime suspect part Gene Hart and
it's very difficult too because again you want to get some kind of answers for the victims families so that maybe they
could have uh again we've talked about this before people say well maybe they get closure
well I don't know if they ever get closer but maybe they get some answers in this case it's really it's it's so
blurry because I think the evidence points to Heart I don't know if that points to Heart
being acting alone or with somebody but it definitely points to him but again if
you're on the jury and you know that he's going to get 300 plus years in prison anyways
it's hard to rule in his favor or hurt or against him it seems to me and again there are differing reports of this so
it's it's hard to say 100 percent what actually happened that night and who committed these murders yeah the
evidence leans and tour and points toward the fact that there may have only been one killer as
almost impossible as that may seem the DNA evidence would suggest that there was only one rapist right so if we had
to pick just one guy one guy acting alone the the problem with Gene Hart is several things you can't rule him out
using DNA you just can't he's he's the one in seven thousand seven hundred people that matches what evidence was
found there right and those other statements about him being a secretor and being a typo blood
and having deformed sperm that the numbers back then and I can't I can't back up the math on it right but their
statements were it was .002 percent of the American population that's a very small number and on top of
that we know that he was close to the area he was active in burglarizing the area right he also had his mother's home
you know half a mile or so from from the crime scene yeah and he's his childhood
home was on the run from the police in the first place my other thing too is I really question
you know the the problem with heart for me is really the fingerprints no fingerprints you break into a house you
steal a flashlight you're wearing gloves at the time you just always wear those gloves
anytime you're touching this stuff it's not that hard to think that there wouldn't be fingerprints if he's wearing
gloves well and he's somebody that I would categorize as a career criminal you know at a very young age he he raped
those women and let's who cares man if anybody wants to argue this with us here in the garage what
what we can see by that first offense it was a terribly violent offense right he raped
these two women he abducted them raped him and left them left them for dead the way that he tied them up the way that he
kind of he almost concealed their bodies in a way it would have been two rape charges and two murder charges and he
pled guilty so he wasn't claiming he was innocent yeah and there are people out there Back in 77 that thought hey this
guy got railroaded the first time right how can you get railroaded when you plead guilty right and maybe you know
maybe Hart would tell you well they they were stacking the case against me this that and the other thing these women
were tied up and they were Bound in a manner that they would cause their own deaths if they came to and struggled to
free themselves right he intended for them never to be found he intended them to me never be found alive yeah because
he's real and when he went to prison for that I think that like these other career
criminals do whether it be whether your crime be theft or you know hold UPS or rape or murder right
all of these individuals they tend to learn from their past mistakes and I think what you pointed
out is spot on I think it's as simple as he was using gloves during the perpetration of burglarizing homes yeah
and therefore regardless of his state of mind or regardless of his condition he was using gloves at the time of the
murders and he likely all those items that he brought with him to the scene show to me that he probably carried him
under gloved hands yeah the other thing too is we saw things in his first rapes of those women of the
pregnant women we saw that he premeditated that attack he brought with him to the scene things
that would help him bind these women up he laid out newspapers in the trunk of his car so that if there was any
evidence that would be left behind probably to sop up blood if it if need be to catch the blood that he could later
throw those newspapers away well and he wasn't going to take any chance of leaving any victim alive there's going
to be no possibility of that and I think what we see here with the Girl Scout murders is the same thing I see a
perpetrator or perpetrators that brought to the scene with them instruments that would help them commit
this crime right binding I think the intent was not to go there that night and steal things from
the camp I think the intent was to show up there and do something very bad and very horrible yeah no I agree that the
tricky thing to me though is there's so many things that are done to tents and there's so many people that oh we think
we saw a guy come into our tent with our temp flaps were messed with this stuff was stolen you have three victims it
almost seems either again like a shape shifter I'm not saying he he actually can shapeship
but somebody that is very familiar with the tent they're in a semi-circle it wouldn't be that hard to cause all that
commotion but with the three victims you know it makes me believe that possibly there was somebody else with him yeah
the the thing though he is very experienced Outdoors he knew the area better than most arguably better
than anyone anybody at that campsite I mean it by all accounts it seems like he was
mostly living off the land in the area at the time I think this guy would have had the
stealth ability of creeping up on those campers to those different tents and he would make a lot less noise than most of
us would do the other thing too is regarding some of the items that I believe he brought with
him that night the flashlight so it's often discussed and this is rightfully so but many
people point out that the newspaper inside the flashlight was most likely to keep the battery forced up into position
so it would provide Power for the light itself yeah I agree with that 100 I think that that
was one of the reasons for the newspaper inside the flashlight but I also believe
that it was jammed up in there so that the battery wouldn't rattle around in the flashlight so that the person could
sneak around making less noise yeah makes sense because you alter the front lens so it's a smaller Flash
and then you alter the battery so it doesn't rattle that makes a lot of sense yeah and you've used those size of
flashlights before they can they can make little rattling noises I I personally don't use them that size I
like to use the big mag ones that you could beat somebody over the head with like a baseball bat but if somebody was
let's say clever enough to alter the lens of the light to mute the light and only have that little bit showing
through they're coming up with other ideas as well and I don't know man the the troubling
thing is I agree with you some of the items that were found some of the evidence that was found that does link
heart to the murders it's sketchy if it was planted or not they had it out for heart period and I
have a hard time believing though that all of the evidence itself right but it's it's okay remember how they said oh
it was like we're reliving the OJ trial but it's the same thing it's like just be if they planted evidence right I I
can I can back up and say maybe they did plant some evidence maybe they didn't like O.J and they planted some evidence
and they want to get a hard conviction okay maybe they planted some evidence but they didn't plan at all right and
there's a possibility that you can be guilty and the police did plant evidence we live in a world that that's possible
I think if Hart did it he took the murder weapon with him could have been the flashlight
may not have been I don't think that that uh you know we have that crowbar or that tool that was missing from the
nearby Farm I don't know 100 that it came from the farm or that it was used in the murders
I kind of feel like that that whoever if all those items found in the caves if they weren't planted
I think that the killer took enough of the stuff with them with him that he wasn't just leaving random things behind
maybe I'll tell you what they didn't plant that pile of human poo poo and maybe those uh PBR bottles the the beer
bottles that was just him sipping beer while he lie and wait while he waited for the sun to go down watching the
campers seeing who goes into What tent seeing where they are proximity to the counselors right the tricky thing too is
I think Hart had a hell of a defense team you know we the community that believed he was innocent pulled together
raised a bunch of money and hired what I think was a good defense team they pulled out tactics similar to what we
saw with the Casey Anthony case with the O.J Simpson case where we have a defense
team that basically States look look at all these other possible theories and suspects that you can't rule out jury
they even had people testify saying yeah I was questioning about this five times
right but there's no real evidence and they even presented other possible suspects you can't rule them out jury oh
yeah and the possibility of they planted evidence on this as well and they can't say 100
percent that the DNA evidence left matches heart and so I think the situation there is
difficult for the jury I think that it was a clever chess move by the defense team to conveniently let it slip out
that this guy's already serving 300 years in prison and I know we have the statements by some of the jury that say
look we didn't feel like the state put up enough evidence against this guy I think what it boils down to is if you're
sitting there in that chair questioning the guilt or innocence of this dude right it's easier for you to go you know
what he's innocent but he's not going to walk free anyway he's going to spend the
rest of his days in prison and on top of that if you do say he's guilty and you got it wrong
then you got it wrong if you say he's innocent it's almost like you can't get it wrong
and so I think with the what the jury was burdened with was a heavy hand was it was a was a
heavy task I think here in the garage we're we're not burdened with such a heavy task we don't have to say Beyond A
Reasonable Doubt I think for me I'm definitely burdened though I'm burdened in ways that I can't
discuss here yeah but I not in my contract I feel very confident in a couple of statements okay one I think
this is a cold case I think it may remain a Cold Case unfortunately but I also feel like that if I had to pick one
person Hearts the guy I think heart's the guy I will say this though uh to leave a bit of optimism out there I have
been in contact with people in the last few months that have said no Nick it's not a Cold Case wait for it there's
something that's coming in this case [Music] well Us in 2018 on a good note a high
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secrets of the Rock and the author John forsling he is a lifelong Alcatraz buff and he interviewed nine different
inmates including Whitey Bulger and also suspected serial killer harv the hammer
carnigan for this book where they give detailed accounts of some of their crimes and their times at Alcatraz and
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Camp Scott was a 410 acre camp operating since 1928. Located near a small town in Oklahoma the camp had facilities for up to 140 children and 30 staff. The camp was most often attended by Girl Scouts. In fact it was marketed to the Girl Scouts as “This is your camp.” After the night of June 13th, 1977 the camp closed forever. What took place that night was horrifying. Parents sent their young, happy daughters to an idyllic two-week camp and they never returned. What was done to those girls can only be described as pure evil. This week we take an in-depth look at the Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders. Beer of the Week - Anytime Minutes by The Willows Family Ales Garage Grade - 3 and 3 quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode covers the unsolved Girl Scout murders, focusing on Gene Hart and various suspects and theories surrounding the case.

Key points

Gene Hart's Mysterious Death. Gene Hart died of a heart attack while serving a 300-year sentence. Was it natural or foul play?
Unraveling the Suspects. Multiple suspects emerge in the Girl Scout murders, raising questions about Gene Hart's guilt.
The Confession of Ricky Green. Ricky Green confessed to the murders but was ruled out after failing polygraph tests. What really happened?
The Camp Garland Story. A chilling urban legend emerges about Boy Scouts returning bloody from a nearby camp.
The Cold Case That Won't Die. Despite being labeled a cold case, public interest and investigation continue.
DNA Evidence Against Gene Hart. Testing reveals a strong statistical link between the suspect and the crime scene.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

His death was natural.

Hart's attorney's statement about the cause of death.

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Tension

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