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well I just spoke with Tinley Park's police chief he tells me this sketch was released on the eve of the anniversary
on purpose because people tend to have the most interests in this cold case this time of year the new 3D image is
now hanging inside the police station and it's broadcast everywhere it is an enhanced version of a previous sketch
drawn from an eyewitness account in 2008 the new photo uses facial identification
technology to make it more lifelike now whoever that man is entered a Tinley Park Lane Bryant 10 years ago and
announced a robbery he ordered a group of women into a back room tied them up with duct tape and shot five of them
dead one of the victims dialed 911 police released a snippet of that call years ago 911 emergency
stay on the line stay on the line police say the suspect's voice can also be heard on the background of that
call detectives have now isolated The Voice although his words are almost indistinguishable
looking Tenley Park's Chief says one to two new tips come in on the case every week they hope this sketch and voice
recording will give them even more leads can you believe it's been 10 years no it it's time goes by but we've worked
on it steadily for 10 years continue to work on it there's five women that that need us to clear this
[Music] up in the trailer there Captain we hear the news reporter asking the police chief
can you believe it's been 10 years and that's exactly the case here in 2008 five women were killed inside of the
Lane Bryant store in what police would describe as a botched robbery or a robbery turned violent now you hear the
police chief there stating no we cannot believe that it's been 10 years this is a case that they've worked very hard
they've spent millions of dollars trying to find the guy that shot these five women to death mhm we also still 10
years later they have a full-time officer working the case as well as another officer that works the case part
time over the years of I've heard from this detective that there have been three times throughout the last 10 years
where he believed that they were very close to solving the case that they had a suspect three times they had a suspect
that they like so much they thought that they were going to be able to provide the families with some justice finally
after all these years yeah or at least bring charges to these suspects and today we know that they currently do not
have any suspects or anyone that they have named publicly as a suspect in this case now I do before we get into some
things today we got a lot to cover we want to go through the 911 call we want to go through some vehicles that were in
the area at the time some things that could lead us into some thoughts about our suspect here but before we do so
Captain I kind of wanted to highlight some pieces of the investigation uh along the way so in the very early parts
of the investigation remember we said that that police had one thing working in their advantage and that was that a
Tinley Park police officer was parked in a vehicle just that was adjacent to the
parking lot of the Lane Bryant at the time of the 911 call yeah about 200 yards away yes so this officer was on
the scene within just a couple of minutes yeah and a couple minutes after that there's going to be multiple law
enforcements that are going to be at the scene yeah they're they're showing up and arriving to the area multiple police
departments the the Chicago PD helicopter was was in the air shortly after the crime was discovered so what's
so weird here Captain is that we have this guy that he kills these women he walks out of the store we can see the
huge police response that's going on in the area almost immediately afterwards and yet somehow this guy is able to
disappear as soon as he leaves the store he's not highly noticeable he's he gets
away somehow he's able to slip back into the fold or hide in the background well
and we but we do have on video camera two cars that that left one being SUV one being a sedan now police
investigated they did investigate whether the killer had any connections to one of the victims um because as we
had stated in the last episode most robbers probably wouldn't hit a clothing store early in the morning and probably
wouldn't stay 40 minutes like this guy did for the first 51 days of the investigation nearly 50 investigators
worked to find the Lane Bryant killer together they logged over 30,000 hours on the case the the cost of the
investigation surpassed $400,000 this was just in the first 51 days another interesting thing here
Captain when we talk about the pursuit of this man the pursuit of the killer that fled police even locked down stores
in the area including a Super Target petmart and Office Max searching the area with guns drawn this case has been
it's been interesting to research in the sense that I know a guy that lives in the greater Chicago area he's not in law
enforcement but he's familiar with law enforcement and so he and I over the past couple weeks have been trading a
lot of emails back and forth about this case and one thing that he told me was that his this his name we'll call him
Greg I didn't get it permission if I'm allowed to use his name I just uh but anyway one thing he told me was that his
wife had been in a store that was just within a mile of the Lane Bryant store at the time of the killings and she was
at this uh place called dinner by Design and she was there with several friends of hers and the during this time the
Tinley police stormed in they they had their hands on their holsters some of them had guns drawn and they locked the
door behind them when they came in to search the business now once the business was cleared they told everybody
what had happened and said that everybody needed to stay inside and they locked the doors as they left the uh the
store and then went on to clear another store so they were they were heavily heavily in pursuit of this man with cars
helicopters and on foot well not only the immediate response was huge by law enforcement but they've continued to
work this heavily and use every technology that they can yeah and they've allowed this to take them down
some different Avenues in pursuit of this person they even used the IRS to do some background searches for them they
used NASA they had NASA pull satellite images of vehicles that were in Lots outside of the store within minutes of
shots being fired the secret service has helped with phone records foreign police
agencies have run ballistics test for this case Illinois State Police have screened weapons that get turned in or
brought back to see if they can match it to the handgun that was used by the Killer and I'm assuming that they
probably ran the DNA as well that's a that's an interesting question and I do do you want to get
into that now because I know you're kind of chomping at the bit to get at that let let me I tell you what let me wrap
this up real quick so I don't forget something okay I just wanted to mention that in this year alone to show you the
activity involved in the community here is that just this year alone they have they have received 87 leads that were
called in and over the course of the 10 years they have investigated and received more than 7,000 leads total
since the murders so investigators have gone as far as London to check new fingerprint technology on the shell
casings that were found that day and the village Tinley Park has spent nearly $2
million on this investigation so the detective IV have continued to filter through these leads up to this day
they're going to continue to do so they've they've categorized and logged all these leads and they've investigated
them all so a huge effort as you had had stated now regarding the DNA this is a big point of contention
for me and it doesn't seem to be a point of contention for anybody else when you
start looking into this case and what I mean by that is I'm not con convinced that either a that they have DNA or that
they have good DNA right and here's here's my thoughts on this and and okay so in doing research for this case one
one place that it led me and I think you you fell into this as well was Reddit there's a lot of discussion about this
case on Reddit yeah and it's I love Reddit by the way it's yeah but it's as far as a resource it's not the best in
investigative tool because there's there's a lot of conversation on there there's a big conversation on there
that's that's a unique one and a good idea a very good idea is that the reason why this case might not be solved is
that all these years police have said that they're looking for a man yeah where where in fact this might be a
woman aha got him or her something um that's my gut feel feeling that for whatever reason before
we even you know researched this at all for what for whatever reason I was watching some report uh some old news
report and I just went I don't think it's a man well and then my first response to that is well they have DNA
right and my first thought then would be well if they have DNA and they've said for 10 years that they're looking for a
man they wouldn't want to screw up their investigation they need the Public's help here here right they would not want
to screw up their investigation and say that they're looking for a man when in fact it's a woman that they they would
never do that so that has led people to believe that they've tested the DNA that
they had and it's the the evidence points to it being a man right but maybe they don't have good enough DNA that's
where I question this whole thing yeah or what if you you have eyewitness right that we have a surviving witness and for
the record she's always said it's a man she believes it to be a man which I think we were calling her Martha yes so
Martha says I believe that this guy it was a man then they get the DNA back from under the fingernails possibly cuz
we have fingernail clippings and we get touch DNA back possibly right and then they test it and they go oh well there's
some female DNA here this must be the victim's DNA and that is contamin it right well cuz if if it were separate
they could decipher that it's separate and they could figure out that it came from the victim you know they would they
would test the victim as well but not always I mean we've seen cases where they've tested people and then
accusations that you know somebody's kid is not their kid that was MH you know what I mean so I see what you're saying
so Labs can get this wrong so but I just wonder if that threw them off and they were like well this DNA evidence is no
good cuz we don't have uh any sign of male DNA evidence in this text test is what I'm saying I I think you lost me
because I I think the the counterargument has always been it has to be a man because they have DNA
evidence but I don't think that why they think it's a man I think they think it's
a man because of eyewitness and I have not seen anywhere that they said we tested that DNA evidence and it's a
man thank you thank you now now here sorry I'm a little frustrated all right but before we get too far into this
captain my my gut feeling is that it's that it's a man but I'm you're my boy I'm going to take your back here you're
my boy blue well and the reason why I will not discredit the the possibility of it being a woman is this anytime that
I've seen a debate on if it's a man or a woman the the the person always tries to
end the debate supporting the fact that it's a man by stating they have DNA they
would know if it's a man or a woman they've always said it's a man so it has to be a man like you just said though
researching this case for 2 weeks I couldn't find anywhere I couldn't find uh I couldn't find it printed in any
newspaper I couldn't find it where the video footage of of a officer a detective a police chief at any time
outrightly stating we have DNA of this suspect they they always hint that they might have DNA they always throw out
statements that would suggest that they have DNA that doesn't mean that they have DNA on this guy or girl this what
this means is they could be trying to put this person off kilter they could probably be trying to put this person
off ease we have DNA that you left at the crime scene because we have fingernail clippings or we found blood
underneath one of the victim's fingernails there were things that were left at the crime scene this just
implies that they have DNA they never outwardly state that they 100% do and not only did you were you unable to find
that I was unable to find that and I emailed my friend quote unquote Greg in Chicago who was well aware of this case
and he said the same thing at no point have I ever come across where the police are outwardly saying that they in fact
have DNA and to further that that they've tested it to confirm that it's a man so I think if that's going to be
your argument your counter punch there it does work for me because when you throw that out there and you state that
that is that is a fact please post that link underneath your argument so we can verify that check the box and make sure
that it's no longer a concern so this is where we give the homework portion uh from time to time on the show Captain if
anybody if anybody finds can find a link where there is a officer directly involved in this investigation that is
being quoted in a newspaper or being interviewed and and we can see the words coming out of their mouth that they have
DNA please post a link to that on our blog at true Crim garage.com right and so the other problem too is that they
said that this this suspect was possibly 59 to 6t tall so you're talking about uh
a gap of maybe 3 in um but now if you go 3 in lower now you're talking about a gap of five or a height of 56 to 5'9
which would be more stereotypical female height mhm so I I don't know and then the big thing for me is the 911 call now
what police have stated or multiple media sources have stated as they believe that you can hear the suspect's
voice on the 911 call yes so do you want to get to that yes let's go ahead and play the 911 clip that we played
yesterday 911 emergency where atle Park stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park
don't hang up Captain real quick here I want to throw this out to the listeners there's
a tollfree number out there where you can call and you can hear a longer version of this 911 call and they
actually replay the portion that they believe to be the suspect which is heard in the background in on our clip that we
just played you can hear the suspect well what we believe to be the suspect a little bit in the background as well now
we didn't include this version on the show because frankly the audio that the captain just provided that 911 clip that
is shorter the audio from that is much better than a lot of the stuff out there even that what you will hear on this
toll-free number but the number for anybody out there that's interested and this is also where you can provide tips
too and that's the key thing with this number here the number is 866 853 6222 and that's a number that has been
put up and paid for by the Tinley Park Police Department again that number is 866 853
6222 you can call that here a longer version of the clip and you could leave a tip there as well with your
information now let's talk about that 911 clip a little bit here Captain because there is a portion that that
they do not play In that clip that we played and it's where you can hear what is believed to be the suspect talking
before Roda hangs up the phone with 911 mhm now what I did because I had I had a lot of trouble
trying to decipher to decipher what this suspect is saying and so what I did was
I got online and I did a bunch of hunting around and I thought you know you know what Let's find let's find the
general consensus of others out there of what they believe that they are hearing
now mind you this is very choppy a lot of it's not full sentences but some of the things that are believed to be being
said by the suspect in the background is as follows that after the after Roa is told not to hang up the phone you hear
the suspect going on about something and it's believed that he or she I guess I should say is possibly saying the
following relax get over here you're such a hero right now that you're such a hero right
is is a um one portion of the tape that is highly talked about but the seem the general consensus seems to be that the
word hero is somewhere in there because I've seen other versions that are very close that that says something like
don't be a hero huh you don't want to be a hero right um so something about a hero it's also believed to be heard that
he says you're going to die you're lucky and I'm losing it now during the course
this is one thing that we are not hearing and Tinley Park police have been up front about this during the course of
that suspect kind of rambling on and it actually sounds like he is kind of directing the hostages or yelling
directly at one of them in the background there are responses from the victims that are in the room with him
that the police have edited out before it was released to the public right so there's more information on the original
tape that they're not going to release and I think probably for good reason um but the one thing that I seem to be able
to make out pretty clearly is that one line of I'm losing it now I don't know that I hear exactly that maybe a
different slightly different version of that sentence but the word losing seems to be pretty clear at some point in this
audio at the beginning I hear almost like a yell I'm tired of yelling yeah so let's just play the clip one more time
911 emergency where at Park stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang
up well let me just Loop the one part where it's you can clearly tell it's somebody else like the third person if
you will on the call the suspect where at stay on the line stay one more time stay on the line St right so if I
have to mimic that right it's like yo I'm right well what I hear is and this is not this is not a portion
of the tape that we've analyzed I don't know that others have tried to figure out what the the suspect is saying there
because the the whispering coming from the victim and the dispatcher is so prominent here I don't know that this
has been but it's not important that's what I'm saying what's not important what I'm saying is not that important on
what the person in the background saying if this is the suspect what I'm doing is
just [Music] yo right that's that's my point on making it more of a it's a it's a woman
woman's voice it's a woman's range I mean you you'd think of as a man be like yo I'm tired of yelling that's way down
here MH we're talking you have to go up pretty high and the maale register to to
hit What notes they're that they're saying I mean even when you speak you're speaking in notes does that make sense
so that's why I'm saying to me it's like it doesn't even matter what they're saying it's like to I audibly hear if
that is the suspect in the background and not a victim cuz we do have uh well we have one victim on the phone so we
have four other victims that would be in the room if if they believe they're that
they're not talking and that is the suspect to me that's a female voice right and and but at the same time
though I kind of point out what I think I hear the person to be saying because I think that tells you if it is
the suspect or if it is one of the other victims it because to me it almost sounds like the person is saying I'm
tired of yelling looking for blah blah blah almost like the person is is announcing to the people that they've
taken hostage that I'm tired of asking you all these questions why isn't bu anybody telling me the answers I want to
know I'm looking for this I'm looking for this and then I'm going to leave I'm getting tired of you not helping me out
I came here looking for money and I've not found very much money now I understand I I get your point because
when you you isolate that spot on the tape and you play it back the couple times that you did is the pitch higher
than I anticipated hearing knowing that I believe the suspect to be a man the answer is yes that pitch is higher than
I anticipated to hear however I just you know our our voices do funny things um everything does funny
I'm just stating that this is a heightened do some funny things you know this is a heightened situation this is
not a a calm situation on either part the victims or the suspect and I know that sometimes when people are yelling
some people project a higher pitch at times uh thrown into a stressful situation somebody's pitch could go up
or down uh depending on their emotion at the time as well if this individual is angry or scared themselves who knows
what their voice could do but I agree with you Captain a higher pitch than I would anticipate uh regarding a male
suspect of that size 911 emergency we at stay on the line stay on the line let me get you to Tinley Park don't hang
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cheers and then you move on um surveillance footage now one thing we've touched upon a little bit here Captain
there were some surveillance footage some video taken from the Target Superstore across the street now it's
estimated that these cameras well not estimated it's reported that these cameras were roughly a 100 yards away
from the what we're about to talk about and this being two vehicles that were spotted in the lane in front of the Lane
Bryant store that were leaving the parking lot around around the same time as it's estimated that the suspect was
leaving yeah here's a couple problems with this first of all is the time correct on surveillance like in many
cases that we've covered there's been cameras but the the times weren't correct right so that is one thing that
we have to think about with this surveillance well I I think we can the I've seen the time stamps on the
surveillance footage and it is a little off of this Mark a bit but the report that I found that I find to be the most
credible states that they believe that these vehicles were seen exiting or leaving those spots sometime between
1046 and 10:49 a.m. so they'd be off the the time would be off on the on the actual tape
correct just slightly um by a few minutes and I think I think the time stamp on the surveillance footage if I
remember correctly is slightly ahead of that it's running a little faster than that but the way that they can kind of
determine how accurate the time is is we have within you know within maybe minutes or seconds even we have a
general idea of what time the police officer is going to state that he arrived on the scene so once once they
can confirm using the other surveillance footage what time these vehicles were seen leaving they can compare that in
comparison to when the officer arrived to see how close they can get to that time now what are we seeing in the video
well first off anybody out there that has seen this video will 100% back me up on this this is some grainy footage
right that was taken from approximately 100 yards away and you police have even commented on this to the point of
stating that you know while this is helpful to the investigation what it does not allow them to do because of the
distance is read license plate numbers right or to possibly identify people that might be sitting inside these
vehicles but what it does show is a small black SUV and a black sedan now both of these vehicles are at the at the
Lane Bryant and then leaving around the time of the shooting so the thought here
is when police are asking the community for help you know the first thing that they're going to ask is that the driver
of of these vehicles come forward right you know if you were if you were at Lane
Bryant around this time and this is your car come forward we just want to talk to
you see if you saw anything even if you think it's nothing we want to know what you know I find one thing a little
interesting here though if you listen to early reports it states that police are
looking for the driver of the small black SUV as well as the black sedan mhm then if you fast forward like months
later they seem to still be looking for the driver of the small black SUV but we
don't we don't hear them outwardly asking for the driver of the black sedan to come forward so I don't know if that
means that that person has come forward identified thems told them what they know and it's nothing and they want
their identity to remain anonymous um it's generally believed that the driver of the SUV could be our suspect yeah and
I've seen on several sites we talked specifically about the Reddit site where they did name um several possible models
make some models of that SUV that's how bad the footage is that being a a Honda or kia possibly a Toyota I I've not been
able to find where police have stated we believe it was this make this model this
year nowhere could I find that so for purposes of staying on task I think we that we continue to report that it is a
small black SUV that is in question and again it seems to be be that out of these two vehicles it's believed that
the suspect might have been in that fleeing the scene in that small black SUV well what's important about this is
if you knew about this case lived in the area if there was somebody that you possibly suspected could have done this
then you kind of reverse engineer did they have a black SUV a small black SUV that that they would be able to use now
one thing I also want to point out there that we heard in an earlier clip today that we used for today's trailer the
start of the show was that you heard the reporter stating that 10 years on the 10year
anniversary of this case uh of the shooting at Lane Bryant and it being unsolved now for 10 years the police
released a 3D composite sketch of our suspect and I like this Captain because to me when I at this 3D version and if
if anybody of anybody out there is familiar with this case and hasn't done any internet sleuthing on it in a while
I beg you to get on your computers on your tablet and check some stuff out because that 3D image is one it's very
haunting you almost feel like you're staring directly at the face of the person that did this that's how detailed
it looks to me and put that on the website and Instagram Twitter Facebook all that stuff and two the original
composite sketch I felt was pretty General um it didn't I don't felt like it gave me a good sense of what I should
be looking for who I should be looking for as where the the det detailed 3D account was much better for that well I
feel I feel like we've covered a lot do you have any questions that you think we
should go over well that's a big part of the frustration regarding this case yes
I do feel like we've covered a lot I feel like we've answered some questions however I feel like there's a lot of
questions out there and again I know we we say this a lot we sound like a broken
record we understand that the in investigation has to hold some things back I feel like there are a few items
out there that could really help especially after 10 years when you're really asking the public to come forward
and help you out with this situation yeah the sketch will help but it would be nice if there was some other piece of
information that they could give us well and that that's what I mean here and I wonder if you know what what are they
holding on to is what they've released is that just the tip of the iceberg I mean they've released what they believe
to be a 3D composite sketch of the suspect right they've released video footage of a possible suspect vehicle
we've also heard Snippets of the 911 call where you can kind of hear the suspect in the background shouting or
yelling or or or communicating with the hostages right the some things that I call into question here though is we we
get a nice good description of what the suspect was wearing that day even down to the point of the potential thought
that there might have been uh some type of packaging tape or duct tape in the suspect's coat pocket possible that the
suspect had manicured fingernails but the weird thing here is we we also hear that the suspect may
have left behind a baseball cap if that's the case can we just say for sure if that happened and two can we
see what that thing looked like what team was it right or or well actually I I say baseball cap as a general term um
and I think it's been reported that way but it could just be some kind of hat uh
a baseball style hat right um so maybe no team on it but could be a company could be any there's a lot of indicators
on there that could help get you to the conclusion of the identity of this person you know people can recognize an
article of clothing just as well as they can a grainy ve surveillance footage of
a vehicle or a possible composite sketch of the actual suspect was there in fact
a hat that was left behind if so what does it look like I would love you know I would love if they would release
pictures of that the other item too I I wish that forget the DNA I'm I'm going to get over the DNA we don't need
to know if they have DNA or not they can they can handle that portion of it but I
think these things are a little more simpler that I have glad you're going to let them handle that I'm going to let
I'm going to let that go but here's the other thing the possibility that the suspect remember we said that he was
using the rul of some type of delivery mhm and he had papers with him that were supposed to be a part of that delivery
well here's my guess I'm guessing that the you know these women that were at the store these are not dumb ladies
there was something on those papers that guy had and what I mean by that is that
he's not going to be able to walk in there with some blank pieces of paper or something that has nothing to do with
anything at all and just be able to go hey I'm here to do this delivery my name's Joe you know and and and Roa and
these other ladies fall for it she was doing preventative measures to call another store thinking that there was a
potential mixup in some kind of delivery now yes he could have likely found some
pieces of paper somewhere that look like they're from a delivery he could have grabbed an invoice from somewhere else
but what I'm getting at is there was enough information on those pieces of paper that he was carrying with him and
there's many reports that state that he left those at the scene that the police recovered those right at the very least
could we find out one do they still exist and B what was printed on those papers is there anything on those papers
that would provide any type of information that could lead us to a potential suspect meaning why all these
years later haven't these papers been released to the public to help with this investigation and it could be something
as simple as these were papers that this person took from where they worked they
took them out of somebody's car just like the baseball hat there's there's a million ways that somebody can see
something somebody can see the right information and piece it together and you get that phone call you get that tip
that you need you are you're wearing me out man I'm wearing you out uh you just you're so uh uh passionate well the
thing here's the thing we've seen plenty of cases where we're sitting there 15 20
25 years later and they're like oh yeah okay we have this piece of information we have this piece of evidence we've
been holding on to it since day one let us show you the general public this now and ask for your help about it now and
at some point it gets to be too late right it just get I don't want to be sitting here 20 years from now and
they're like here's here's the papers here's the ball cap tell us what you think yeah so what do you think on this
case as far as a suspect goes let let me go go through this one at a time here I
only got two things to go through yeah okay so one before the other but the first one is the ca the case is very
strange to me in the sense that it's seems like a strange Target unless this person was just looking for a few
hundred but to me that that would be like a smash and grab that would be like get in there create as little chaos as
possible get your $2300 and then get the hell out of there that's not what happened in this situation for some
reason this person decided that they needed to take these individuals to the back room what is what is reported as a
an employee break room in the back MH which seems like a strange place to me I thought I thought with the rul of the
delivery that you're trying to work one of two angles either a you're trying to get into the store before it opens up
where either you think that there's more money involved in the robbery or where you won't have to encounter any
customers so if you're not if you're not using it to do that and he was aware that the store was open then the only
other reason for using the rul of of a delivery is to maybe work your way into the back parts of the store into the
office of the store without causing a commotion out in the storefront you know on the floor as they say mhm maybe
that's what he was using these papers for but it seems like a strange Target to me it seems like a strange way to
carry out a crime the other thing too is if you worked your way back to the office using those
papers it sounds to me the additional customers came in later while this robbery was in progress so he
took time out from what he was doing to go and capture these two individuals take them to the same location and bind
them as well it sounds to me like we have a situation I don't I don't know why he
was in that store for as long as he was the the the sexual why he would rob a store like that anyways well and the
sexual component to this is very weird as well now I know it's not terribly uncommon for for an offender to fondle
one of the hostages or say weird sexual things to one of the hostages I know it's not terribly uncommon but it seems
odd to me that this individual picked a Lane Bryant store where you might expect
to find nothing but females there right and then that sexual aspect occurred if if money was the thing why aren't you
just getting your money and getting the hell out of there yeah it could be sexually motivated and then the 91 call
911 call was placed that spooked them they had to get out of there or this person's incredibly
unstable because it it it's Ah that's what I think it's it's either there's a sexual component to it or this person
got in there didn't really know what they were doing started losing control fast or got angry because whatever or
however much money they thought they would get they didn't get and they got angry at the hostages and then like you
said now they're already angered and then they find out about the 911 call they Panic or they're angered more and
they're going to take out that anger on all of those women there now my theories
on who this person is they're not super detailed um but my gut tells me that this person is not local to Tinley Park
in any way the the 2010 de demographics of the a it would have been 88.8% Caucasian 3.7%
African-American and 3.9% Asian so just playing the numbers there would tell me that this individual might not be local
to the area plus I also do not think that it's any coincidence that the Interstate 80 is right there right there
by the scene right by the store he could have walked into any store that he wanted he chose that store for a
specific reason I also believe that this was not the first time this was this may be the
only time this man was ever in this Lane Bryant store meaning he didn't case the
joint in advance for this robbery and I have two points to this thought one the guy walks in and it's thought that he
was looking at the ceiling looking for cameras and two the surviving witness who worked at the store you know this
the majority of the time the Super majority of the time the clientele is strictly female at this store not male
and so it's possible that if this man had been in the store before that he might have stood out in some form that
may have been memorable to her and she doesn't there we don't have any evidence that she has seen this person before the
day so that that's my only thoughts on it that the guy probably wasn't local and I do believe that was his first
first and only time in that store all right is that your thought done that's as much as I have okay well you keep
saying he and I'm going to keep saying she I believe that this is a female I believe that the surviving witness did
not get a good enough look at this individual um I think maybe she heard this individual and it was maybe of a
more of a male tone to begin with and so that's she's assuming she saw a man that's just what
my gut is telling me that's also what my ears are telling me when I listen back and if that is the suspect on that 911
call to me that sounds like a female why I think it's more of a you know super bikes type
thing where this individual she went into this Lane Bryant at some point Point she you know had bad service
something I don't think the motivation was to rob the store I think the motivation was some type of Revenge and
that's why let's gather up all these people and let's put them in the back and let's duct tape
them I don't know how long the person thought they were going to be in there for but I think once that 911 call went
out and she saw it she killed all the people and then she left and I think she left in this small black SUV and most
men I would you know maybe this is sexist on some level but it's like most men will drive bigger SUVs women will
drive smaller SUVs so that's and the manicured fingernails that would make that make sense and there's just little
things that are really hard to explain in this case but they start making a little more sense like the cornrow with
the braid in front starts making a little a little more sense when you go well that's that's more of the way a
female would do their hair mhm so that's just what my gut is telling me and that's what my ears are telling me and I
think it was something like where the person felt wronged and they were going to prove a point you know or they're
going to kill people I mean this this person is psycho well and that's that's what I mean and and I'm you know I'm
sticking with my thoughts but that's what I mean and I I like that you bring up the super bike case that we've
covered here because that was really when once that thing was solved you're like holy [ __ ] this whole time the
motivation would make no for this murders and this crime would make zero sense to anybody but the person that
perpetrated the crime right and the biggest problem I have with this Lane Bryant case is why if they were there to
Rob why did they stay in the store for so long 40 minutes is a long time when you're trying to rob the store
especially that's why the the phone call from the manager to another store would
be important to me because if 25 minutes of that was this quote unquote delivery
person just standing around waiting for information right then then 40 minutes doesn't seem so long but if that phone
call happened within minutes of that individual walking into the store this person stayed in the store for an
incredibly amount of long amount of time right and furthermore here's what you wonder to on
your on your part if this was a Revenge killing or if this was for reasons we will never understand then how long did
this individual intend on staying in the store was it only the 911 call that stopped them from stay who's to say this
person wouldn't have stayed in there as long as possible and kept picking off the individuals as they come in each
customer comes in they are quickly escorted to the back room they're bound and they become another hostage MH so I
I like where you're thinking is the other thing too with the surviving Witness it may have in in a hyper panic
situation like this it may have simply been enough that if a female offender was wearing Male clothing right that
might have thrown her off and she might fully believe that she saw a male when in fact it was a female all right so I
guess I'm right you're not right but it's my birthday so I'm right no I I don't think you're wrong I'm just not
changing my opinion but you're just not going to say I'm right here we go Captain So speaking of females this
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10 years ago a man walked into a Lane Bryant clothing store posing as a delivery man. He announced a holdup and began taking women to a back room where they were bound with tape. One of the brave ladies managed to call 911. The robbery escalated and turned very violent. Before fleeing he shot all six ladies. Despite police arriving on the scene within minutes of the 911 call the killer managed to get away. Police have spent millions of dollars trying to catch this man. Was this a robbery gone very bad or are there bigger motives at play? Beer of the Week - Grinderpunch by Soundgrowler Brewing Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

This episode discusses the unsolved Lane Bryant murders, new suspect sketches, and ongoing investigation efforts in Tinley Park, Illinois.

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Quality Sleep with Ashley. Ashley offers top mattress brands at winning prices with financing options.
True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the show and their drink of choice.
10-Year Anniversary of a Cold Case. Police release a new sketch on the anniversary of a tragic robbery.
Investigation Efforts. Over 30,000 hours logged in pursuit of the Lane Bryant killer.
DNA Evidence Debate. Discussion on the reliability of DNA evidence in the case.
Suspect's Manipulation. The suspect tells hostages, "You're such a hero right now!"

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Can you believe it's been 10 years?

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