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it's a voicemail unlike anything you've ever heard before there are two minutes worth of noises
bizarre ones very little actual Talking authorities come confirmed the disturbing middle of
the night call came from Henry McCabe's cell phone it was Labor Day September 7th at 2 28 in the morning McCabe's
worried wife heard the message his and my cell phone connected Minnesota community policing Services is a
non-profit agency it acts as a go-between with police in the Liberian Community the leader is trying to help
the family make some sense of this recording the growls turn to high pitch oldies
in pain suddenly stopped there is silence then someone either Henry or another person
says stop it I tried a picture where he was um what it might have been like what circumstances would have made him
sound like that the voicemail is in stark contrast to other articulate recordings of McCabe speaking at an
event he's a state auditor what is it justification what is the right thing to do the message is one piece of evidence
Mounds View police are reviewing the police chief tells me even the FBI is analyzing the recording and voices for
Clues the chief says the investigation took deputies here on Tuesday to Rice Creek Park which borders New
Brighton Mounds View and Fridley all areas where McCabe was reported scene or a cell phone ping placed him Ramsey
County Water Patrol search but came up empty foreign [Music] there you just heard it portions of
probably the strangest phone call most mysterious phone call we've ever played on this show and we have played some
strange ones over the years Brandon Lawson comes to mind the West Mesa body pit case there was strange phone calls
in that one as well I know Niner a brief overview of this case we have Henry McCabe he is a Minnesota Revenue
Department employee on September 6 2015 he's 32 years old and he goes out to a club with some friends during the course
of the evening Henry has several drinks later Henry and a friend are heading home when Henry supposedly convinced his
friend to let him off at a gas station though no CCTV footage was found of Henry at an area gas station to confirm
this that was the last time he would be seen alive then at about 2 30 a.m a voicemail from Henry was left on his
wife's phone on the call you can clearly hear screaming and groaning in pain immediate searches for Henry McCabe
would reveal nothing right and there's not much here so let's start with what we do have and that is the audio from
this voicemail now there was a full-length version of this on the internet but for some reason it has
since been taken down well we think there was I mean this could be like urban legend now at this point well
right but there there seems to be signs of this or evidence of this or even speculation of this right because there
are people online who have stated hey I know this was available at one time I can't find it anymore and we believe
that the reporter is actually using the clip from the internet that the police released correct so
this like you said the thought is that the police released this voicemail at some point I actually have some
suspicions on this and my suspicions are I wonder if they release the full two minutes I I don't think they did if I
had to guess because you've seen the way that things are copied and printed and pasted and left on the internet it seems
to me like if there was once the full length audio I think it would there would be some version or some way of
finding it still today right if anybody is an internet expert and can try to find this clip I'd really love to take
it and dissect it and to see if we could basically analyze it just like we did with the Brandon Lawson case and that
was our first goal with this actually you and I were quite excited about this case because we were told hey at the
center of this young man's disappearance is this strange horrifying phone call this voicemail two minutes long and we
thought wow okay we can do exactly what we did with Brandon Lawson we can dissect it and we can really listen to
it piece by piece inch by inch and kind of give our own opinion of what we think
is happening during the course of that two minutes because you heard that Quick Clip there
there's some really strange horrifying is really the only thing that I that I keep the word I keep coming
back to when I hear the groans and the screaming there's some stuff that's almost like
unexplainable too that you know the right I tried to do this almost like growling but there's also this weird how
it goes from a lower pitch ground to almost like a high squeal and very uh unusual so the clip that we played for
you during the trailer is by far the most famous most popular clip of this audio so if you do a quick
search for Henry McCabe 911 call or Henry McCabe voicemail Henry McCabe audio any of those things it will pull
up usually that news clip first will be first in your your your find there yeah let's just be
clear it's not a 9-1-1 call it's a it's a voicemail to his wife correct correct I just said that because that's a common
Google search in uh this this case and I believe it's also confirmed that it was
coming from his phone 100 it was confirmed that it was coming from Henry's phone now here's one thing that
I really question and this is why I question if at any time was the full length audio released and that's because
in every report I could find they State you hear screaming you hear moans you hear groans and you clearly hear someone
they they very specifically say someone either Henry or someone else yell stop it
right the problem with that Captain is you heard that clip and I I have already said that's probably the most popular
of this clip of this phone call right you never actually hear that stop it portion or anybody yelling stop it
whether it be Henry or somebody else I in all the different versions of audio I could find of this phone call of this
voicemail I never found one that played that portion of the tape right and you would think that this would be very
similar to some of the other cases where you just have a clip that they they play
over and over uh like they would take this stop it and play it over and over on the news and they they didn't for as
much as I could find yeah at no point could I find that and then the thing that's very troubling about this is
Henry is missing for quite some time and you think that this stop it portion of the audio would have been played for the
public so let's go through the timeline in a little more detail shall we so on Sunday
September 6 2015 Henry joins at least two friends this is Calvin Johnson and William Papas Kennedy at povs Club this
is a nightclub now there are going to be people familiar with this case and they're going to say Nick that is not
the name of the nightclub this nightclub has held many names over the years it's
actually referred to as three different names and the reports I could find for Simplicity I'm going to roll with povs
for the of course POV stand for I know I don't know if it stands for anything or
if it's just simply short for something it should have been called POS well this
is on Highway 65 and from everything I could find Captain Henry McCabe and his friends are at this club just before the
nine o'clock hour at some point according to the people at the club with Henry Henry is so
intoxicated that his friends decide to confiscate Henry's wallet so he cannot buy any more drinks all right so
obviously he's buying so many drinks but the bartenders are still serving and his
friends say hey they're still serving him so we need to take this in our own hands and take his wallet there are
you're going to see a common theme in this case and this is conflicting reports let's say yes there's multiple I
mean almost every detail that we do know has conflicted in some way so there are
many people that state that Henry had a few drinks that's their words a few drinks
but for some reason he's so intoxicated that a friend has to confiscate his wallet so he cannot buy any more drinks
now we all know what kind of suspicions that leads us to think of right and then
you wonder is there well I guess the question the first question is is there any speculation that he might have been
doing drugs where one his friends wouldn't know or maybe that his friends would know is he's slipping into the
bathroom and doing a little cocaine a little nose candy so here's what I would like to know one I would
like to know what is his condition let's say at the nine o'clock hour when he arrives at the club like
you said was he partying before he arrives to to party with his friends was he already drunk yeah was he pre-gaming
so think about this this is a holiday weekend he's got the next day off that's why he's at a club on a Sunday night who
knows what was going on leading up to this so one I'd like to know more about Henry's condition at the nine o'clock
hour and I would also like a little more clarification on what was the what was going on at the club that night was it
packed was there just a few people there right you know because you and I know just given the amount of people in the
room can really add to conflicting stories and we've seen in the past how many people all of a sudden want to be
involved in a case that you know they really have nothing to offer as far as information goes now you got people
coming out of the woodwork going oh yeah I was at the club that night I saw that
guy he I think he only had one or two drinks right regardless one consistent statement in this case is
that the friend confiscated his wallet at some point so he could not buy more drinks
at 1 40 a.m well let's just stop there because I want to that on one hand that makes him look suspicious and on the
other hand it makes him look like a very good friend so at 1 40 a.m We have Calvin Johnson one of Henry's friends he
says that he sees Henry leaving the club with the other guy that we mentioned William Papas Kennedy um okay so at 1 40
a.m these two people are leaving the club now he's going to be riding Henry will be riding in William Kennedy's call
and why is he leaving I don't know what time it would be closing time I mean 140
is pretty late most bars in Columbus close around two o'clock but obviously this is not in Columbus so we don't know
exactly what time These Bars shut down it could be 4 a.m for all we know and it could have nothing to do with closing
time it could just be he's so drunk he's 32 he's drunk it's 1 40 in the morning you got to go home sometime right yeah
that's one of my favorite lines this one somebody says you're drunk go home yeah
well at 2 15 a.m according to William Kennedy who was driving Henry Henry asked to be dropped off at a super
America gas station on Central and 73rd Avenue however cell pings Place him in the area of Creek View Park in New
Brighton most reports state that the phone is off after this okay well let's start with the idea that his buddy's
going drop them off at the gas station okay maybe Henry's a smoker maybe he's gonna try to get something to eat to
sober up we don't know but we do know that the gas station has surveillance cameras
and there's no footage of him on those on those tapes let's back it up just a second shall we because okay let's
juvenile yeah let's let's talk about this because we have uh Calvin Johnson who's saying he's so intoxicated I had
to take his wallet yeah and then you have another friend going well he asked me to drop him off at a gas station and
I did I just turned I just turned him loose he was so drunk that I just turned him loose on the town maybe Johnson's
the good friend and Kennedy's the the [ __ ] friend could possibly I I actually found this to be very upsetting well I
thought I found it to be very suspicious to be honest with you and when I first started looking into this the reports
that I were reading I was reading made it sound like it was the same friend you know right the same individual
confiscated his wallet and dropped him off at a gas station in the middle of the night that's not true the reports
are that Calvin Johnson was the one that took the wallet at some point William Kennedy is the guy that drops him off at
the gas station regardless I still found this to be suspicious because I'm under
the assumption he needs a ride home again I want to know Henry McCabe's condition question at nine at nine PM
did he how did he get to the club did he ride there with William Kennedy right the the thing I also wonder that's not
talked about a lot is is his wallet gone at this point or is his wallet back in his
possession at this point because you're gonna drop me off at the gas station for
One For What and won't I need money and did he have money outside of the wallet I'll take my wallet but I still got some
cash on me so I can get something at the gas station I was able to find an interview with this William Kennedy and
he offers the shine a little bit of light on the subject to which he adds he says look I I wasn't like really good
friends with Henry we we just kind of knew each other and we weren't uh best friends we didn't run around in the same
circles acquaintances exactly that's exactly what he says that their relationship was so it changes though
you know when when the person you know sometimes in these cases somebody will quickly say oh yeah he was my buddy and
then once there once they think they're a suspect it's like wow we weren't that close well it's only 13 minutes later
that at 2 28 A.M a call is placed from Henry's phone and like you and I had already said it's confirmed that it
comes from Henry's phone and this call goes to his wife Karine the call leaves a two-minute voicemail that according to
Media includes sounds of walking falling groans moans and things to the nature of
like he got hurt or he's hurt right and then towards the end this is according to Media I've not heard this portion
according to the media towards the end of the voicemail a voice says stop it now do we know if that was
a female voice or a male voice I don't even think we know that do we well having not heard it one I don't know but
the thing that I find interesting here is that it's they they are very clear to say to specify that it doesn't have to
be Henry yelling stop it it could be somebody else they're not certain nobody's claiming to know who's saying
stop it but with them saying that it could be Henry or it could not be Henry my thought is leaning towards it it's
probably a male sounding voice right and if there was if the voice had any female
characteristics they might allude to that as well right um and then it's the following day
Monday September 7th 2015 Karine McCabe contacts and files a missing persons report with the Mounds View Police
Department so the following day on Tuesday the police conduct a search of the super
America gas station and the surrounding areas all right so continuing on the timeline yes and there's a lot of
confusing information out there regarding this voicemail like I said at the center of this case this strange
voicemail and what I mean by confusion is that we have the wife says she receives the call
Henry's wife however there are reports out there that state his brother was the one that received the voicemail
I believe that the reason for this confusion it's actually very simple and very clear I think that I'm very happy
to clear it all up for you guys right here right now I think well thank you Colonel it sounds to me
that the call 100 came from Henry's phone and went to his wife's phone voicemail left on his wife's cell phone
however the person that brought the voicemail to the media and released it and gave it to the media was his brother
that makes sense that's where the confusion lies so it's very simple he left this voicemail for his wife now
regarding his wife Karine she's actually in California this takes place in Minnesota according to what law
enforcement have stated Karine was in California preparing for a move the whole family was going to move to
California for some reason right now in an interview with Karine she simply says
look Henry was spending time with some friends that he hadn't seen in a long time that statement I find to be weird
when we have the other gentleman saying hey we're just acquaintances right she says that she actually might just be
simplifying it by lumping them all together well and he's going out there to see one friend ends up hanging out
with a friend in an acquaintance well and again that's the problem with this case with this story what's going on at
the club how many people was he meeting up with at the club right you know so anyway 5 000 right
so spending time with some friends that he had not seen in a long time she says that she actually spoke to him that
night and she believes that she spoke to Henry around the time that they were getting ready to leave the club
at that point he says something like I'll call you back later so at that point she's saying he's
coherent right then she gets later much later she gets that strange call in the middle of the
night that's left on her voicemail to which she tries to call him back and she then says that her calls are
going straight to his voicemail at that point so now she's worried and the next morning she reports her husband as
missing and also if it's going straight to voicemail you're assuming at that point his phone was dead
right and so here's some other things that we should throw in there it's it's been reported that the mccabes were
experiencing financial difficulties at this time that they had defaulted on their rent
uh Henry had received a bad review at work and was uh reportedly having work issues at that time
now there are no issues do we know just issues that I don't know we we have the the specific information of he had just
received a bad review at work right um if usually if you get a bad review you are having some kind of work issues
leading up to that yeah so there is no report or indication of marital problems between the two and as we said Karine
was in California with their children at that time and she did return to Minnesota on September 10th to Aid in
search efforts yeah and you also wonder at this point okay this married guy he's
still pretty young has two kids he's going out drinking with his buddies you know is it uh you know a different area
codes area codes type of situation is he just going out to drink with some buddies is he looking to try to find the
lady to hook up with well so the search we we mentioned that the searches started at the super America gas station
right and then the surrounding areas the super America gas station this is the way that they planned out these
searches let's put everybody at this gas station where we have been told is the last low last known location of Henry
McCabe right right and we're going to have everybody fan out and search from this gas station
walking back to his residence yeah seems like a logical it's a 35 minute walk so
according to his driver according to the man that was driving him he requested to
be dropped off there it seems like quite a distance to try to track it on your own right
especially if you're yeah you might not care so they might not know the other thing I had to wonder about too with
this friend or acquaintance whatever we want to label him as dropping Henry off in the middle of the night at a gas
station right you have to wonder you ever get that person that's really intoxicated and you're trying to help
them but they're just so damn annoying that you give up at some point you quit trying to be reasonable you know if if
he's throwing a fit or if he just insists and insist and insist on being dropped off at the gas station at some
point do you just give in and go all right buddy you're a grown man well yeah it was trying to figure out if
this gas station was known to have uh sex workers there because sometimes in these small towns you you might have
walkers right when I lived in Richmond Indiana we had walkers but there was one or two stops like a gas station here or
a business here that they would kind of hang around uh or like when we covered the vanishing girls in Chillicothe
they're all hanging around right the the McDonald's and so was this a situation where it was
hey I know that there's I mean what is the reason that you're dropping him off right that that would
be a big reason and if he's not saying oh he didn't say well maybe he said that but this guy doesn't want to talk bad
about this guy you think there would have to be some kind of information because in that interview William
basically says was he going to meet someone there I don't know he offers up no explanation for why Henry wanted to
be dropped off there it sounds like Henry was insisting on it according to William's words he just keeps saying
drop me off here I'll be fine I'll be fine this is my area to which then he drops him off now later
in the investigation Captain we will learn that Henry was never dropped off at the super America gas station we'll
get into that more after this quick beer break all right we're back cheers cheers to you Captain I'm gonna
get extra Saucy today so it's about three weeks into The Disappearance of missing person Henry McCabe when law
enforcement learned that he was actually dropped off at a different gas station that night so we have his acquaintance
who says he convinced me to drop him off at the super America gas station turns out he was dropped off at a Holiday
gas station which is about three miles on the same strip but it's three miles further away from Henry's home all right
so here's what I wonder was Kennedy a little intoxicated when he dropped off Henry and just this was a mistake he
just said I he told the police the wrong gas station or did he give him the wrong gas station on
purpose you read my mind because that's what I thought of at first I'm like this
Kennedy dude seems very shady very suspicious you know he he tells them the wrong place hey I dropped him off at
this gas station they can't find any uh surveillance footage of that happening and then later they're able to determine
that he was actually dropped off at this Holiday gas station but that's because they found surveillance footage of him
being dropped off there so what I think that we have here is almost exactly what
you said and and you know it's a situation and nobody do this at home you know but it's one of those situations
where oh hold on go ahead and keep going it's one of those situations where the I
believe the least intoxicated person drove yeah so nothing good comes of that and I
actually think that this is a honest mistake let's call it that because I think that's why Kennedy would stick to
his story for three weeks saying no you can say whatever you want you know there's I don't care that there's no
footage of of me dropping him off I know I dropped him off at this gas station well but now there's footage of Henry at
the Holiday gas station correct okay so but is it possible that he dropped him off at the one and Henry made his way
down three miles yeah you know to to the other gas station I've not been able to find the
actual footage and I don't know that it's been released but the way that it's been described is that it's of Kennedy
dropping him off at this other gas station well it's I mean this this case has conspiracy written all over I mean
you got a guy named with the last name Kennedy and like the guy with the last name Johnson we know what happened last
time those two were in office well and the thing here is we've discussed this on our show before where we have a
witness or we have someone that's trying to offer up information in an investigation and that information turns
out to be incorrect however that doesn't necessarily mean that they are lying if
they are telling you the truth but they're just mistaken it's not necessarily a lie and in Kennedy's
defense I've seen photographs of both of these gas stations okay so they're the same type of business obviously how
however they have the same like colors you know how like super America is like red white and blue right from what I
could see of the Holiday gas station it's red white and blue as well okay so again we have a guy named Kennedy a guy
named Johnson we have gas stations that are red white and blue huh well what what I think may have
happened here is I think Kennedy just got the wrong gas station right right you know just told him the wrong gas
station so the other thing too is you have to wonder how well did Kennedy know the area you know and and the other
thing too people point out well he dropped him off further away from McCabe's home
well Kennedy may have had no idea where McCabe actually lived right so that doesn't seem suspicious suspicious in of
itself so I don't know that that really has anything to do with Kennedy you know or
or what he says happened that night the thing here though is Captain we have on two months later two months after Henry
goes missing a kayaker found a body in Rush Lake this is about seven miles away on November 2nd a body is found and by
November 3rd it's identified as being the body of Henry McCabe okay there are there were all kinds of talk
about this uh body being found obviously one the first reports that were coming out suggested that the body was weighted
down however all the later reports would never mention that it was weighted down and
only say that it was partially submerged and it was near some brush one thing I want to point out about this
Rush Lake is this lake is has a very to put it as simple as possible wedi Shoreline
they've shown you know you can see news footage of this area it looked to me to be very difficult for
anyone to get into that Lake Juan then the question is the wording because waited down when I hear weighted down I
hear somebody tied a rope around a cinder block that's what when I hear weighted down but weighted down could
mean weighted down by something on the shoreline and I think that's what we have here
because the words partially submerged and near some brush almost indicates that the body kind of got caught
underneath something that was making it harder to for anybody to find yeah you know it was almost two months before his
body is found according to reports what was found in the autopsy is that it's ruled in accidental drowning in
fresh water uh so let me get into this yeah because this is getting weirder yeah and here's
a here's a big problem that I kind of have with this case so we've reviewed many cases that have been
ruled an accidental death or suspicious death or then later changed to accidental death
typically what I have found is that the autopsies for those accidental deaths are pretty readily available you can
find them you know we know this from the Diane Schuler case and from Kendrick Johnson's case
I think that the reason why that is is the case in those instances is that they look when they say it's an accidental
death they they want it to be very black and white and very transparent for everybody to go look you can view this
yourself right this is what we came up with however in Henry's case I can't find the autopsy anywhere
and maybe it's out there but I've looked high and low and can't find the thing I
can find a bazillion reports that state what is said in the autopsy but I can't view the actual autopsy itself right
so I find that a little questionable let's say and I do want to really hit home this idea of the lake from video
footage that I've seen and from pictures that I've seen it doesn't appear that this lake is very accessible at all it
it would take some difficulty and what I mean by that is you have one thought that he was heavily
intoxicated or maybe he was drugged up by by his own doing or somebody else is doing and he ended up in this Lake on
accident right but we have evidence of something some kind of struggle now we we don't know for certain if those
noises that we hear on the voicemail are coming from Henry we don't know that um but
I mean let's just assume they are because they're coming from his phone right and then at some point you have
somebody saying stop it okay stop it and then you're going to tell me that this guy actually you know accidentally
drowned you know this autopsy doesn't seem to make sense do we have any puncture do we
have there's no signs of a struggle there's no signs of uh bruising the exact wording is there are no marks on
the body no signs of trauma to the body ah yeah so well that's I mean let me point out some obvious stuff here I mean
take um take the Kendrick Johnson case right we have weird suspicious things and then we
have this autopsy that says no it's accidental right and then in the Kanika Jenkins case in in Chicago
we have a young lady walking around like a drugged up zombie found in a freezer accidental now we have a guy that leaves
a bar he's probably intoxicated makes a call leaves a long voice message with crazy sounds and somebody's saying
stop it and he was found in the river and now we're going to say it's it's an accident
you know it seems like all three victims are are black right and it just seems to
me that with evidence like this they're so quick to come out with this accidental it's
accidental and that's done and I I think that's so irresponsible well okay let's
say that the information is 100 accurate and correct in this autopsy from the reports we are hearing about the autopsy
well this I think this is going to be a case that we hear later that they you know assume the body and and and and do
another autopsy so for it to be an accidental drowning it there needs to be water in the lungs or in the windpipes
right right so that really only leaves you if if there is no trauma to the body if there is no marks on the body there
was water found in the lungs or windpipes that we don't know because we've not seen the actual autopsy but if
that is the case then you're kind of left with one of two scenarios either he did accidentally drown in the lake or
somebody held him underwater right and the weird thing about that is those gurgle noises and the some of the
noises you hear on that short clip they go with both of those scenarios right but to a point of somebody yelling
stop it which again we can't confirm actually happens because we we can't hear that portion of the tape right and
and look is it a little suspicious that this tape was rumored to be out on the internet and now it's not
I mean that's a little suspicious to me the other thing that I find very weird is like I I again I really want to hit
this home if he ended up in that lake with no marks on his body I want somebody to
tell me how that happened because I've seen how thick the brush is around this Lake I've seen there's trees there's
weeds it's not like there's a there's a cleared Shoreline where you could just Waltz on into the lake that you've seen
yeah I've seen it there are a couple from my understanding there are at least two maybe three Creeks that would feed
into that body of water well I'm and I'm gonna you know dispute your point a little bit
if a kayaker is finding this that we probably have Drop Zones and pickup zones that's a very good point that
there's there's a launch point right you know for at least for the kayaker and if
there is you know because my buddy uh Rainbow River kayaking canoe down in Dunellen Florida tell them the captain
sent you but I do got a buddy that that runs um a kayaking canoe delivery service and
wear their drop-in points and their pickup points they're very clear so so let's get into some interesting
theories because there's there's a bazillion of them obviously but I've kind of narrowed it down I've put a
short list together of mine well let me put Let Me toss out the first one so we can get rid of it because one I own
Crocs and and I only wear them when I'm watching Finding Bigfoot and some of these noises on this tape that in the
weird conspiracy groups they'll bring up Bigfoot okay I don't know if you've seen
these yeah you can't miss them um because of what people think that the bigfoot calls sound like okay that these
guttural growls to high-end house you know kind of like a type sound um they would say this is a Bigfoot noise
this is a noise that they make this is a call so but again if he comes in contact with a
Bigfoot and the Bigfoot is the one that puts him in the water you're going to have some markings of that I would
believe I would think so I would just assume look like I said I do enjoy watching shows on bigfoots and aliens
and all that stuff I think it's fun and entertaining I just don't know if we have any a scientific proof that they
even exist right it's hard to entertain those theories when you're talking about
things we have no confirmation if they exist right and then for you know look for all I know Bigfoot could live on the
corner of Maine and High Street in somebody's basement I don't know but from my understanding have you seen this
no but what I'm saying is my understanding of this area is it's fairly residential that it's not we're
not talking about he this is not um this is not Dennis Martin who was somebody that was out in the middle of nowhere
you know National Forest National Park right type situation this is fairly residential
so I think the the most interesting theories that I saw would be heavily intoxicated or maybe somebody drugged
him with GHB very possible and that there is some form of hallucination that he freaked out and ran you know probably
could have ran aimlessly through the woods through the brush into the water and accidentally drown in the lake well
and think about this I'm going to put some logic behind your theory here he's on something right we don't know
what is on at the very least he had drinks in him right he had drinks in them possibly some GHB right
he gets his friend to drop him off he says okay you're drunk you're out of control I'm Gonna Let You Go he starts
making a scene um for whatever reason he tries to call to get help uh maybe he's on Quaaludes
okay I know that's a drug that's placed from the past but look at the scene and Wolf of Wall
Street where he's talking into the phone and making zero sense he's just making noises that that's happens here now I'm
not saying it's Quaaludes but it could be some kind of mind-altering drug he's making zero sense and maybe making some
commotion and it's somebody at the gas station telling him okay stop like stop acting this way and from there he takes
off finds his way into the water and then it's accidental drowning we have his wife and we also have Henry's
brother these two I would argue no Henry longer or better than most if not anyone else
yeah correct okay both of these individuals state that some of the noises and it's unclear to me as to which of
the noises but both of them have stated publicly that some of the noises sound like Henry to them okay so I'm going to
go ahead and go off of that they're probably correct on that that some of these noises are being made by Henry
that's left on the voicemail both well more particularly his wife Karine she insists that this is not a
call for help that this was a pocket dial you know a butt dial that that she the voicemail is leaving noises that are
picked up by his phone from an accidental call okay uh unintended call right so let's go through some possibilities
with this though because there's one big uh Theory out there and actually I believe it was on Reddit that I I read
quite a lengthy thread I read it on Reddit I read it on Reddit uh quite a lengthy thread regarding the GHB Theory
I just look for all True Crime fans I think Reddit is great I mean is there going to be some nonsense on there of
course but there's some great information and great theories even if it's a theory with no evidence to back
it up it's still an interesting Theory and you can find it almost every case on Reddit webs as well both are yes both of
them are fantastic but I'll throw this caveat out there and this is why neither of them are are my first go-to for a
case of course because they're very lengthy uh usually in the threads and like you said there's some stuff in
there that's just boring or not important to the case and you kind of have to sift your way through it as you
go right so but one really interesting thread I found on there was GHB and people were talking about a
couple different scenarios first there was I believe a nurse or doctor on there that was stating hey I've I've
encountered people that have ingested large amounts of GHB and they gargle and make noises like like what you were
talking about with the Quaaludes and Wolf of Wall Street right and then there was another individual on there that was
stating hey you know sometimes at these clubs and this is their experience I'm not hip enough to have
this kind of experience or go to places that would have this going on that I know of but this person was saying that
sometimes at these at certain clubs or Raves or parties or whatever that some people ingest large amounts of GHB on
accident because from what this person says it's a clear liquid and they had had an experience
where a friend of theirs thought they were picking up like a glass of vodka or a bottle of vodka kind of chugged it you
know took a couple big shills out of it and ended up turns out it was not vodka well they were pretty pretty messed up
and we've also seen in several cases and I've actually been diving into this reports of actual bartenders that drug
customers almost as like oh you're a shitty Tipper okay it's time for me to drug you and I'm going to watch you uh
have a really hard time tonight it's not going to kill you but you're gonna have
a really hard time but if you're what you're saying uh in a scenario like that well then this guy was killed by
something like that under this thought and Theory this kind of makes a little bit of sense
because we have people stating earlier he only had a few drinks but on the other hand we have people saying he was
so intoxicated we had to take his wallet from him so he couldn't buy any more drinks right so that kind of if if those
two things are true absolutely true then this Theory Works within those guidelines right
now here's another interesting one regarding the pocket call you know Karine says this is a pocket caller or
an unintended call yeah there is a theory out there that is some type of police cover-up
and of course you know this people get angry of course right somebody somewhere somebody's very angry right it's always
Bigfoot or a police cover-up the Bigfoot working in cahoots with the police the police have been covering up for bigfoot
since the possibly that they that the big that Bigfoot lives at the police department they've been covering up for
bigfoot since the late 1800s at least I mean that's as far back as I can trace it anyway this this Theory works like
this that Henry was walking home from the gas station where he was dropped off at some point a police officer pulls
over or approaches him with the thought that he would be arrested for public intoxication right somehow they get into
it there's an altercation and the police taze Henry to which he has a bad reaction maybe it's a heart attack I
don't know but for whatever every reason he he dies or almost dies from this uh situation
and then to cover it up he's placed in the lake at some point his body's not discovered for two more months I do want
to throw out there though one thing that makes this extra tough extra difficult level here
is that he's he's in that Lake for almost two months I mean what is lost what evidence is lost to tell us what
happened to Henry during the course of that time a ton but what wouldn't be lost as if there was beating or bruising
or any of that stuff or a puncture that's not going to be lost so but the tough thing about this theory is one
most cops for the most part have good intentions right they're there to Serve and Protect so the likelihood that a cop
would come around taser guy he dies and then if his partner is saying hey stop it
now you're going to tell me that two cops that signed up to Serve and Protect killed an innocent man
threw him into the river because let's say he's on drugs or drunk and he is fighting the cops that they probably
have body cams or dash cams or whatever so now you got to get rid of that evidence if you just killed this man but
if this guy was attacking you and and this was you defending yourself you'd have that evidence on a dash cam or a
body cam to then to protect your ass to say hey look we were just trying to control him he attacked us and then it
was accidental death because of that these are what I mean right so do we have any evidence that there's any uh
camera footage missing from any of these officers or do they even have these on their um Vehicles well the other thing
too is we don't have any Witnesses saying they saw anything like this at all right number one number two the way
that this theory is is spoke of would be that during the course of that butt dial
what we're hearing is Henry being tased or attacked by the police right and then
he's killed right or then he dies okay like you said no marks on the body very little if no trauma at all signs of
trauma to the body so there's a big problem there that you have to get over the other problem that you have to get
over to that's not discussed is that what we hear from from that portion of the voicemail the only time that anybody
says that words are spoken is one person selling yelling or saying stop it right
everything else is just noises so what where I'm going with this Captain is police are very vocal when they are
trying to control someone when they are trying to get them to listen to them when they are trying to get them to go
along with their instructions they're extremely vocal right and the the the more that you disobey them the more that
you don't listen to them the louder they tend to get yes you I would think that if this scenario is correct you would
hear a lot of police chatter you would hear a lot of being told to get on the ground stop it
put your hands in the air put your hands where I can see them a lot of that stuff
and that is not nobody at any time says that they hear that on the voicemail right but we only have a clip we don't
have the full voicemail right but but the thing I have with that is we have we do know that his wife and
brother both have listened to the entirety of the voicemail right and I think that if either of them thought
that a police officer or police officers were responsible for what happened to Henry I think that would have came out
in the media and the media would have been very happy to broadcast that for us you know especially they normally are
yeah so I I think that I can I'm wiping that theory away just because I think that if they're look where there's smoke
there's fire but what I'm getting at is there's no smoke here yeah but I'm not wiping that away and
the reason why is because like I said I think this case because there's so many [ __ ] scenarios and because they're
called One Look release the call release that to the public especially if you say
it's an accident yeah and and if people are saying hey this is possibly a com uh
police conspiracy release the audio let us hear for ourselves what is on that audio clip okay the other thing too is
release the autopsy okay let's see what hat that what happens there okay now the
autopsy may be released I like I said I just can't find it right but you find it
for almost every other case right and so you didn't find it for this one I'm not
gonna blame you okay there's a lot of people in this story that I'm gonna blame but I'm not going to be blaming
you well thank you no but okay but so we have all these then we have the situation with his friend
dropping him off or stating that he dropped him at a different location than what he actually dropped him off to but
I I believe with this with the autopsy with the with the lack of evidence other than this
weird call this voicemail at some point the family should get a collection from the community
get supporters behind you and just do another autopsy have a second opinion look at this to see if anything was
fishy and it might come back simply yes it was accidental drowning and he possibly was on something unless you
would have answers and I think uh that's the least they could do because Henry deserves that I mean this guy seems to
have done nothing wrong in his life he went out one night drinking did he drink too much did he take did he take
something he shouldn't have taken was he was he trying to party too hard but we can get answers I think from the
second autopsy yeah and so I don't want anybody to think that we didn't talk about a possible animal attack because
that's one of that's one of the leading theories but you pointed out very clearly that kind of goes along with the
Bigfoot Theory right there's no marks on the body well you know and the fact that
the other animals are probably real yeah and so if this were going to be an animal attack some people say that the
noises you're hearing on the voicemail are coming from an animal that's attacking him right but the problem with
that again there's no marks on the body If This Were an animal attack unless the
animal managed to scare him frighten him and chase him into the river or into the
lake and then he accidentally drown um the animal attack just doesn't doesn't play out here for me well and
this would be difficult too because let's say a dog I got a hold of his sure or something that the rips of that
shirt could be similar to the rips in the shirt once he's submerged in water for that length and and hitting the
shoreline there could be similar markings on on clothes and that that could be a possibility where something
did attack him and never really made contact with his body but again I think the answers are going to really lie with
the second autopsy just to you know I think he deserves that this I think we all yeah anybody
anybody that's listening that this could possibly happen to you know your family owes that to you to
just go hey let's let's get a second opinion and just make sure that it's correct one theory that is I find to be
probably the most interesting out of all that have been discussed is a possible Revenge killing and the thought being
that the voicemail was no accident the the whomever is responsible purposely dialed his phone and let let it pick up
whatever noises it could during the drowning process of Henry McCabe right and that they whoever killed him wanted
his family or whoever was going to be picking up the phone to hear that that it was some kind of Revenge then my
other question then becomes too is this is this cell phone that he had is it waterproof is it something that you
could put in water and is that the reason why we're hearing some weird sounds because the phone itself is
submerged in water is that a possibility let me ask you this and because this is
one of the more more troubling of the facts in this case or lack of facts could you find anywhere hard proof that
the phone was found that the phone was located because this voicemail is on his wife's phone
right you know I have not heard anything about his phone being found or not found
correct and that that really bothered me I don't know what we can gather from from it if it were to have been found
somebody's yelling at us right now going but what you get from that is and we you
know we're just drawing a blank but that's what you get when you spend hours and hours recording in the garage you
get blank brains sometimes the uh one thing that I find well you yeah but you would know the model number somebody
should know the model number and that would let us know and also was the phone did the phone
hang up because remember when they said hang up or go dead right because because
the call ends at some point the call ends up some point and then when she starts calling it goes straight to
voicemail well I would do the same thing if the phone was submerged in water the
phone would probably record even if it's not waterproof for a while and that's where you could get some Distortion and
frequencies so let's say the phone was picking up something that was a lower frequency well you could then start
having glitches where so when you have this guttural growl to a higher pitch noise these things could be altered by
the phone start starting to malfunction underwater I don't necessarily it doesn't have to
be um I mean he could be calling for help as they're pushing him down into the water
so you just said something you just hit a home run there I'm gonna Circle back to that but I do want to clean up
something that I said earlier when I said to for me to make the statement that his
wife Karine said that she was trying to call him and it was going straight to voicemail right I don't know that that's
true I believe her exact words from that interview were I I tried calling him back and I kept getting his voicemail so
I I it could have gone straight to voicemail but I just want to clean that up a little bit to to say exactly what
she said that she kept getting his voicemail well it's really nice that at the last minute of the show I think we
did come up with some very interesting thoughts well here's a thought though what and
I'm going to take it a little make it a good one because I don't want to end on the bad one I
want to take a little excerpt from what you just said where I said I think you hit a home run and I want to Circle back
to it okay your statement you said he could have been calling for help right yeah those are your words
I think that's genius and here's where I have a big problem with this case and with the statements of those surrounding
Henry and who was in Henry's life at the time of his death every interview I could find with Karine
she constantly says that he pocket called me that he pocket dialed me at no point is there ever any mention of the
thought that he could have been calling for help so what you're saying is do you think that's suspicious on her
end that she very never very very suspicious he would call her for help right I I think that it's strange that I
review multiple interviews with her and at no point does she ever say he could have been calling for help right but
this is also an idea that through interviews or through talking with the police or through talking with
anybody that maybe she rolled that out as a possibility before she did these interviews that we've we have seen true
true but I I think we're talking about a case that it's very difficult to rule out possibilities yeah I'd love to hear
people's thoughts and opinions on this case you can do so at True Crime garage go to our blog and again share this
information with your friends and family tell people about the show I'd love to hear people's theories personally
other than my I strongly believe that another autopsy if we can do one if his body was cremated then at least have the
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Brief Summary

Henry McCabe's mysterious disappearance and death raise questions about a voicemail, intoxication, and potential foul play.

Key points

The Night of Disappearance. Henry McCabe goes missing after a night out with friends, leaving behind a haunting voicemail.
The Mysterious Voicemail. A voicemail left by Henry McCabe contains bizarre noises and screams, raising questions about his fate.
Conflicting Accounts. Witnesses provide conflicting reports about Henry's condition and actions before his disappearance.
The Mysterious Drop-off. Henry McCabe was reportedly dropped off at the wrong gas station, raising suspicions.
Body Found After Two Months. A body identified as Henry McCabe was discovered two months after his disappearance.
Accidental Drowning or Something More?. The autopsy ruled accidental drowning, but many questions remain about the circumstances.

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I wonder if they released the full two minutes.

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