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the murder of Michael Frankie who was killed January 1989 in front of the headquarters for the Oregon State Prison
System where he worked for the Department of Corrections and we had an individual this is a known criminal
Frank Gable who would later be convicted of that now remember they were allowed to seek the death penalty in this case
however they opted for life in prison without the possibility of parole and what that tells me is maybe where the
jury couldn't find it Beyond you know the that it was beyond A Reasonable Doubt there was must have been some hint
of Doubt right to not kill the guy to not sentence him to death uh for this murder now I want to touch upon the
trial because what we would learn after the trial is that the prosecution relied
on a handful of witnesses to convict Frank Gable however what we didn't know was that when these individuals were
being questioned by police MH these individuals their stories changed repeatedly and the prosecution did not
allow that to come out in court they did not why would they right they did not divulge the aspects of their different
stories in court so to kind of make it nice and and clean and kind of give an example of what would be different from
what ended up convicting this guy is that these stories they say for example three of the witnesses who testified
against Gable had earlier told police that other people including Frank Gable had talked of killing Michael Frankie in
the months before the quote unquote random car burglary so that would tell a whole
different story there then we had wait I'm confused they talked about them killing no Frankie no no no what they
told police during the course of being questioned by the police is that other people that that there were other people
not named in this statement but also uh Frank Gable who was later convicted that
he and other people had talked about killing Michael Frankie months before he was actually killed months before the
supposed random car burglary that the prosecution's theory was a random car burglary led to the death of Michael
Frankie to be clear you're stating that these individuals along with Frank is saying we're going to kill
him they talked about they're going to kill him so the these people that testified are stating that we heard this
is all premeditated it's not has nothing to do with breaking into a car we had we
heard other people including Frank Gable claim that they someone was going to kill Michael Frankie months before it
actually happened again and like I stated yesterday I thought the motive for Frank gamble to break into a car
didn't make a lot of sense to me okay um so then we have we we do have the people
that did testify at court um there's going to be doubts about their testimony because later they're going to recant
their testimony so we have jod swar she later recanted her testimony instead claiming that another drug dealer
Timothy natividad was the murderer and then we have Cappy AKA shorty Harden in an affid
davit executed in Iowa Harden now swears quote I did not see Frank Gable stab Michael
Frankie then we have Dan Walsh and a new affidavit he says MH his statement wasn't true as did Kevin Walker then we
have Michael Kier later stated that he lied when he testified against Frank Gable he said that he was seeking
revenge against Gable for being a known prison informant then we have Janine Vera who was Gable's wife and a new
affidavit Vera reverse' course she said phone records refreshed her memory that Frank Gable and an associate of his had
called their apartment roughly 90 minutes before the murder of Michael Frankie she said that Frank Gable stayed
home and talked to the man and was home until an hour or two after Michael Frankie was stabbed and I guess that
they're basing this time of when they believe Michael Frankie was stabbed off of so-called eyewitness statements okay
so that gives him an alibi possibly yeah but this is the same woman that says the
complete opposite when it was when it was actually in court so here's the problem I don't know what to believe out
of any of these characters and like you said before the circumstantial evidence in this case wasn't much it wasn't like
a mountain of evidence MH here's the other problem remember that we we said that there was no physical evidence
presented against Frank Gable at the trial right there was also never a murder weapon that was located and
presented at the trial then we have well there was one presented but it was one that the cops bought well yeah they
weren't claiming that was the murder weapon they were claiming this to be of the same uh model as what we believe
killed Michael Frankie then we have art Barger he's an ex FBI agent who led a Department of Corrections corruption
probe agent Barger criticized the separate state police murder investigation of Michael Frankie in a
July 1990 interview Barger who has since passed away considered it an open question whether Frankie's death was
engineered by a drug ring conspiracy referring to evidence that Frankie may have been carrying evidence of prison
corruption in a briefcase adding quote knowing whether or not Michael Frankie was carrying a briefcase when he was
murdered is so essential to the investigation said Barger quote that I cannot believe the state police did not
establish that fact one way or another at the outset okay so let's think about what this individual's saying he's
saying that at no point in the investigation did anyone prove whether Michael Frankie was carrying his
briefcase that day or not there's rumors because he just got out a meeting at 6:30 that he actually had these files
with him and then the other rumor was that after the murder within hours these files were shredded well files from his
office were rumored to have been shredded so the thing here is what he's pointing out is the items that we do not
have that Michael Frankie would have had um at some point whether it be in his office in his car on his person that are
missing are his briefcase and his computer all right his laptop computer right okay so these items are missing
the problem with that statement is well why are they missing if the police and the investigators could not establish
that he had those items with him at the time that he was attacked that changes things a lot because of two things we
have an issue where he could have been just randomly attacked yeah that somebody broke into his car for some
reason these two encountered each other in the parking lot and Michael Frankie was stabbed oh and then somebody within
his own office goes oh he's missing oh uh or he was found dead outside now's a good time for me to get rid of his
briefcase and his laptop computer right and it had nothing to do with the attack
outside then there's the other situation which is the reverse that the attacker may have attacked him with the purpose
of not only killing him but taking that briefcase taking that laptop computer with them right and then no evidence of
the laptop or the briefcase is kind of evidence of that correct so we have this we have this x FBI agent who brings up a
very good question it's essential to the investigation to know whether he had a briefcase or the laptop with him at the
time he was killed and they never established that they never cleared that up and that is just murky Waters right
from the get-go and then we also have doubters that that talked about more a little bit
more about Frank G Gable okay so here's the thought that we need to keep in mind
what is being presented as in this case are two simple things one either Frank Gable did not kill Michael Frankie or
there's a chance that Frank Gable did kill Michael Frankie but it was also part of a larger conspiracy right that
maybe somebody paid him to kill right Frankie so you could have a conspiracy where people conspired to kill Michael
Frankie and they hired somebody else or carried it out themselves or they hired Frank Gable to do it for them want think
about it this way we know that Frank Gable is quote unquote drug dealer and so if there's this drug um running
conspiracy and he's part of it then the law anybody that's in law enforcement is
going to go hey well look you're the you're the Fall Guy so if you don't take care of this you're the Fall Guy mhm
well he became the full guy either way mhm and also to be clear though too the the problem with this case is where does
the conspiracy stem from does it stem from somebody involved in the Oregon Department of Corrections that wants to
cover some things up or a higher ranking government official that wants to cover
up some Mis dealings or do you simply just have organized crime you simply just have criminals who work together to
Inspire to kill Michael Frankie right so people that point toward uh or question
Gable's guilt suggests these couple of items they they question why would Frank Gable break into a car parked in a
well-lit patrolled lot and he did not take the car he did not take Franky's wallet or his watch and then some
question this I found this statement to be interesting one prison guard says quote
Gable couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag could he have overpowered Frankie who was physically fit 6' 3 in
tall 220 to 230 lbs right and was one hell of a kicker there you go then we have the polygraph issues that were
presented at fright Gable's appeal hearing this contends original incriminating testimony came from police
tactics that included the Relentless abuse of polygraph test we have an individual David Rasin a polygraph
expert who examined records in the Gable case and he said in an affidavit filed on Gable's behalf that Witnesses were
quote intensely interrogated pressured coerced and frightened by the angry and sometimes violent behavior of the
interrogators MH he said he found serious misconduct and how police poly graph examiners tested those who
subsequently pointed the finger at gable stating quote unethical and flawed polygraph testing procedures combined
with improper interrogations appear to have provided the means to shape witness statements in order to obtain false
testimony he said Witnesses were polygraphed repeatedly sometimes on the same day jod
Swearingen was given 23 polygraph tests in 12 12 sessions Jesus 23 polygraph tests witness wsh we're going to make
you take that again witness Walsh said in his affidavit that police quote yelled at me because the polygraph
results showed I was lying he says he quote eventually I told the police what I thought they wanted me to say that Mr
Gable confess to me the details of the murder Walsh said Mr Gable never confessed to me end quote all right
Captain here's where we need to get into some of the different conspiracy theories out there regarding this murder
of Michael Frankie because there's several different thoughts out there that have been presented over the years
well first of all everybody put on your 10 hats real quick your little foil hats
going into conspiracy land right right um well the first obviously being the hit um the initial investigation of
Frankie's death centered on parole in the area and prisoners of the state in the State Penitentiary who may have held
a grudge of some sort against Michael Frankie then about a month after the murder rumors and reports began to
surface about corruption within the Oregon Department of Corrections and the agency's possible link to Frankie's
murder M then in September of 1989 Oregon governor goldshmid announced Ed he had appointed retired Judge John C
Warden to head an independent investigation of the Department of Corrections warden's investigation
lasted 3 months his findings according to the final report confirmed the existence of quote significant illegal
activities or other wrongdoings within the department of corrections but he found no reasonable link between those
activities and Michael Frankie's death former State Treasurer Jim Hill does not accept the official verdict do you
accept that do I accept what johnc Warden says I mean I have a real hard time with the idea or the notion that
you're going to have this guy come in and one of the things he's supposed to do is to clean up the system and that
you find corruption within that system and the person that was brought in to find that corruption and to stop that
corruption is then murdered mhm I find that to to to have this notion that that corruption had nothing to do with this
individual is it's that's a weird statement to me it's tough to tough to believe it's hard pills to swallow my
friend and I don't know what they're basing that off of um but you know they did do an extensive investigation now we
do have former State Treasurer Jim Hill as I said does not accept that official IAL verdict uh believing either that
Gable is altogether innocent of the crime or that he or another perpetrator was a hired Hitman rather than a chance
car burglar so this leads us to what are the other possibilities there are several
theories as to who may have been the killer or Killers or who may have ordered a hit on Michael Frankie the
first that we need to talk about is an individual that we named earlier and that that is Timothy natividad so
Timothy AKA rooster natividad was a drug dealer who himself was murdered two weeks after Michael Frankie was murdered
the court filing said that Greg Johnson an associate of natividad's told a defense investigator that he spent time
with natividad around the Time Michael Frankie was killed according to the filing Johnson said he dropped off
natividad at the Dome building remember that's the building where Frankie worked
on the evening of the murder and returned later and remembered natividad saying quote it's not my blood when he
got into the car a few days later he went with natividad to get his payoff two men in a car possibly with Oregon
government license plates pulled up and one of the men handed something to natividad which this gentleman would
well gentleman Johnson would later in fact figure out was $20,000 in cash Johnson says that he recognized the two
men as State Prison officials this is what he said in a court filing so this is official documents that he put these
statements into now there are theories as to who may have been behind the killing and the focus is on two men high
in the corrections hierarchy one individual who has been named is Hoy cup the the former Warden of the Oregon
State penitentiary in 2007 a convicted felon gave a series of interviews to a local newspaper in which he claimed that
he witnessed cup and another unnamed Corrections official pay natividad $20,000 that natividad later informed
him it was a payment for killing Frankie cup died of cancer in 1990 another individual who's been named is Scott
mallister he was the Assistant Attorney General for the state of Oregon until he
resigned shortly before Michael Frankie's death in no relation to Kevin mallister subsequently became Inspector
General of the Utah Corrections Department an ex-girlfriend of mallister told the Portland Tribune that McAlister
had been in possession of internal police documents concerning the murder that he no longer had any official
reason to possess and that she had overheard mallister describe the killing as a botched hit listen to this this is
from a sworn statement made in 1990 by a former secretary and girlfriend of Scott
mallister the woman's name is Linda Parker in her statement Parker says that in July of 1989 she was with mallister
at a party in Utah where she worked for him in his new job Inspector General for
the U Utah Department of Corrections at the party mallister was joined by Oregon
friends who had followed him to work in the Utah prison system Parker claims mallister was trash talking Michael
Frankie and saying the people who had killed him were supposed to make it look like a suicide Parker said quote Scott
was clearly angry over the job being [ __ ] up as he put it said Parker adding that she believed mallister knew
quote inside information about what happened in the Frankie murder should I keep going with this one Captain cuz
there's some stuff here between these two ex-lovers that that it's weird right so in an interview mallister
called Parker a quote documented liar and said there is no truth to her statement adding the whole suggestion is
absurd he said Michael Frankie was a friend of mine Parker's ex-husband this is Jim dreitzler
also questioned Parker's credibility citing mental issues Parker had attempted suicide in late 1989 and was
hospitalized and diagnosed with major depression Parker's statement that has nothing to do with whether or not you're
telling the truth that's correct Parker's statement makes other allegations about mallister that have
been substantiated Elsewhere for instance Parker accused mallister of using his position to pressure her into
group sex and having her he was giving her Kitty porn videos to quote train her the two videotapes she turned over were
traced by law enforcement to mallister causing him to be charged with a child pornography felony charge ultimately he
pled guilty to a misdemeanor in addition a second Utah correction employee came forward saying mallister also tried to
pressure her into group sex causing mallister to be forced out of his Utah job okay
so we have an ex-girlfriend of this mallister who's an ex official in the Oregon State uh hierarchy right however
we do need to keep in mind mallister did resign from that position before Frankie
was murdered I cannot Trace back or figure out when mallister moved from Oregon to Utah saw but that doesn't mean
that he couldn't have had a hand in the conspiracy to kill this guy even after the fact yeah but all you have to do is
follow the kitty porn and you can figure that out so then we have Wayne Holm um who was later killed by a sheriff's
deputy during a reverse sting drug operation Holm was a former inmate in the Oregon correction system during the
early 1980s he assisted numerous other inmates with parole hearing presentations and had known Scott
mallister because mallister represented the parole and probation board during those hearings Hol had offered the
theory that the primary motivation for Michael Frankie's murder was that Frankie discovered a plot by Scott
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off the record on Stitcher premium that's right uh let's talk about the man in the pinstripes suit Theory also known
as the abduction Theory the abduction theory is that Michael Frankie was at some point later brought back to the
scene and perhaps he was going to his office to find whatever paperwork or computer files uh may have been in his
office once there he gets out of the car perhaps he sees his only chance for getting away tries to make a break for
it and perhaps receives one or more of his wounds at that that time goes to the north porch where he is finished off now
much speculation has centered on a mysterious man in a pinstriped suit an unknown individual who was spotted by a
Corrections employee inside the corrections Dome building 90 minutes after closing time the individual has
never been identified another Dome building employee who worked as a parole board clerk has stated the man in the
pinstriped suit also matches the description she gave to police as the man who arrived at the Dome building the
day of the murder to repair the copy machine late in the afternoon this individual was granted access to remain
in the building after hours to complete the repairs the repairs were never completed the machine was left in pieces
and neither the man in the pinstriped suit or Dennis plant uh the man who later testified that he was the copy
machine rep repair man but whom the parole board clerk States was not the man who worked on The copier that day
returned to complete the repairs nor was any record of the service call found in
The copier repair log after the murder whether or not the individual has any relation to the killing is unknown the
individual does not resemble that of Frank Gable some believe that Michael was the victim of a premeditated murder
carried out by several men and possibly instigated by high ranking officials fearful of being named in the
investigation according to reporter Steven Jackson an eyewitness at the scene backs up this Theory stating that
at 10:15 or 10:20 on January 17th a young man riding in a car looked over where the scene of the crime was and saw
five to six men running toward a Volkswagen van if Michael Frankie had been abducted and then brought back to
the building where he was killed this would fit in with the abduction Theory this Theory suggests that on the night
of his death Michael unlocked his his own car and deactivated the alarm at the same time the men approached him Michael
did not keep regular office hours except for Tuesday staff meetings so it appeared the attackers were familiar
with his schedule that night several people reported seeing a man with a pinstripe suit and a dark complexion
lurking in the corrections building after hours a composite drawing based on a witness description was made and this
Theory also makes sense too because we don't see Frankie we lose track of Frankie between 6:30 and 12:30 yeah we
have almost 6 hours where he's unaccounted for now we can't say for certain that the area in which he was
later found dead was searched before 12:30 but what we can say is people were looking for him and did not discover him
until that time now here's a theory that I really like and I'm not saying that I
favor this one over the others but the reason why I like it is because it kind of ties some of the other thoughts and
theories together you know you say well how can you have these theories that don't seem to have anything to do with
one another this one is interesting and this is the theory of Kevin Frankie Kevin is Michael Frankie's younger
brother and he assisted with that movie without evidence so his theory goes something like this that he depicts
Scott mallister who we already talked about as a corrupt bureaucrat who was cozy with inmates and benefited from
some kind of Black Market prison trade and Michael Frankie threatened to Halt Scott McAllister's dealings so then
mallister turned to underworld Associates including Timothy natividad the murder plot Frankie maintains called
for natividad and two other men to force Michael Frankie into his car and drive off kill him somewhere else and make it
look like a suicide but something went wrong and Frankie fought back and natividad ended up killing him there on
the scene or at least stabbing him there on the scene I like that theory because it
actually ties like three of the theories together and might be why that there's rumors of Theory a being Right theory B
being right or Theory C being right so within that one we have Scott mallister who is thought to be corrupt and be up
to no good who who does already make deals with known criminals and inmates MH then turning to Timothy natividad
who's a known criminal and other individuals to get rid of Michael Frankie now while we are on the subject
of Kevin Frankie Michael Frankie's younger brother let's get into into this a little bit because you know how we
often find these almost unbelievable smaller stories inside some of these cases M well here's a weird one so we
have Kevin Frankie but we have Kevin Frankie's wife his wife later is Elizabeth who was formerly Elizabeth
goodlove who at one time at the actually at the time of Michael Frankie's murder
was Timothy natividad's girlfriend Elizabeth godlove shot and killed Timothy natividad two weeks after
Michael Frankie's death a jury acquitted her that spring after she claimed natividad had been abusing her for years
and had held a gun to her head the day that she killed him Elizabeth godlove and Kevin Frankie married in
1994 so is it possible that during her trial that he follows her trial they might have even met at the courthouse
yeah I I don't know because they thought that you know his death might have something to do with his brother's death
well let's look at her story just a little bit more uh in detail so in August of 1990 Elizabeth godlove told
Frank Gable's defense team that Timothy natividad came home in a panic during the early morning hours quote on or
about the night of Michael Frankie's murder she noticed a wound on his leg and a gash on his head then a day or two
later Timothy natividad told her he'd killed a man but when God love relayed the story to the police in September of
1990 she said she couldn't be certain the night natividad arrived home with the wounds was the same night that
Michael Frankie was stabbed police ran down leads on Timothy natividad testing his knives and clothing but they found
no link to the murder murder mhm so then you could take it as possible one or another motive for Timothy natividad to
kill Michael Frankie either he was involved in a conspiracy to get rid of him and he was hired as remember we have
that other individual that said he was with natividad for portions of the night that Michael Frankie was killed and
picked him up at the scene and he had blood on him or did natividad simply was he part of the criminal element that was
pedling drugs in and out of the prison system right and that he needed to off the guy that was going to that stumbled
upon how the workings of that were taking place and intended to shut it down right but that's all connected to
higher individuals in the prison system anyways yes very possibly but not 100% that it has to be well I just think it
could be a it's could be a combination of a lot of these things and it seems like
there's a lot of money to go around and probably a lot of greed well there's definitely corruption and here's the
reason why when when you and I spoke earlier about um the judges ruling stating that hey I found corruption
within the prison system but I found no link between that and the murder of Michael Frankie and you said hey I
disagree with that statement because if there was corruption this guy was sent to find it it's very likely that that
led to his murder well on top of that we have files of his missing I mean that's
again evidence of that possibly he found corruption and now we don't have evidence of that those are rumors though
that's what we got to be clear of rumors that files of his were missing well right but we know that his computer's
missing correct we do know that so if somebody's saying hey Frankie's laptop is missing possibly there's files
missing and then on top of that there I mean there was some activity in his office right of of things going missing
so well no the the items in his office would just simply be rumor unless somebody could prove that his briefcase
and laptop were in his office at the time that he was killed elsewhere mhm and what I mean by that is look there's
rumor that he stumbled upon corruption and the thought is that well he would have had proof of such and if he did
then they might have been in files or in his briefcase or in on his laptop right
therefore if it was a conspiracy to uh buy the the corrupted to shut this man down that they would have wanted to
steal those files steal that laptop steal that briefcase what I'm getting at is I agree with you I I think it's fair
to make that leap if there is corruption if you do find corruption to think that
it could have led to Michael Frankie's murder but where I can't say that for certain with 100% certainty is this I
personally believe that there is some level of corruption in every State's prison system within the United States a
that's a scary thought don't even get me started on it well I mean there just is
I mean I I I would be I would be shocked if anybody working in any of those States Corrections uh systems if anybody
would come forward and say Nick you're absolutely wrong there is zero corruption at all in our prison system
here in the state of Kentucky in Ohio in Michigan New York California Texas whatever and what do you think it's like
you know when when you now have privately owned prisons so well it but I want to be it's going to just get worse
I want to be clear here I I'm not trying to point out that I think that every State's prison system is corrupt from
the top to bottom M corruption can be as something as simple as a a guard selling
cigarettes to inmates I mean that's that's the absolute truth of it so what I'm saying is I can see how they could
find certain levels of corruption in their prison system but also believe that it did not lead to his murder you
see what I'm saying oh I see it so the thing too regarding the files though those files are only rumored to
have been destroyed and what I mean by that is let's say Frankie actually didn't discover any corruption then he
would have those files would never have existed right the other thing too is the
briefcase in the laptop if they were on his person when he was stabbed maybe it was just taken by whoever stabbed him
and that person wasn't there to stab him because they were hired to kill him mhm
um so I or or the opposite though too I mean there could have just been rumors again we have these rumors about these
files we have these rumors about this laptop so if you do have high levels of corruption they go hey we got to take
down this guy Frankie well what if they take him out then they go he didn't have
anything on us didn't have anything on our corruption yet or didn't have detailed
you know reports mhm uh but then there was a confession um and this was by a guy named John Krauss he's a man from
Salem who was on Parole for a robbery he was on Parole at the time of Michael Frankie's murder he later repeatedly
confessed to murdering Michael Frankie telling numerous Law Enforcement Officers as well as his own mother
brother and girlfriend that he stabbed Michael Frankie when Michael caught him burglarizing his car on January 17th
1989 so the the other Frank was just a py so Frank Gable yeah the convicted murderer of Michael Frankie his defense
team said that John krauss's confession was consistent with the crime scene and and the autopsy evidence corroborated by
eyewitness testimony and considered truthful by an FBI polygrapher who was flown in from out of state to test him
so Krauss called it quote just a freak accident saying he got into Frankie's car and Frankie found him in it and
asked him what he was doing he says I tried to hit him where I could knock him out the next thing I know I stabbed the
guy I stabbed him in the in the arm and he says I didn't intend to kill the guy The Krauss described how
Frankie confronted him offering a physical description of Frankie who in the autopsy was described as 6'3
weighing between 2 20 to 230 lbs Krauss said that Frankie punched him with significant force and that is when
Krauss stabbed Frankie mhm now there of course are doubts about this confession we have attorney Nicholas cstom from the
Oregon Department of Justice countered that krauss's confession came after he provided police with at least four
differing accounts of what had occurred he gave varied descriptions of the clothing he wore at the scene as well as
the route he took to flee the area coustom suggested that during the interviews Krauss had with police that
the investigators may have fed him information along the way the state could never corroborate krauss's account
of what occurred according to this uh cstom individual right right right but you can you can feed him all the
information you want you can feed them all the evidence you want all the crime scene information you want now you got
to pass a polygraph and that's not to say that they can't pay that guy off or whatever but you still got to pass a
polygraph well what's interesting here though is that we have assistant Federal public defender uh for Frank Gable who
later called it a troubling double standard stating if the state is now arguing that John krauss's confession
may have been contaminated by investigators questions or media accounts of what occurred but hasn't
applied that same standard to other key Witnesses who have since recanted their earlier statements that place Gable at
the scene of the crime mhm not other key Witnesses every key witness right you know come on yeah and I think that's
very interesting here right so we have this guy who confesses and they say nope the the police un you know
unintentionally altered this guy's statement Well here here's the thing is I don't really give a [ __ ] that he is
confessing to the cops right it's more the fact that one you're passing a polygraph but two you're confessing to
your mother and your brother and your family it sounds like just about anybody that was willing to listen he was was
confessing to right but what I what I mean by that is I'm going to put more weight into that why why are you go why
would you add heartache to your mother M for a lie mhm mom I did this I want to come
clean I want to you know and that's what it exactly sounds like doesn't it Captain it sounds like this individual
that that kind of panicked in the freak moment if we believe a story he got punched by this large man and he kind of
which would punch you yeah that's what every every body says about Michael Frankie this is the kind of dude he
didn't back down from just about anything well and Frankie just didn't know that he was bringing his fist to
cuffs to a knife fight right and it sounds like if John Krauss is telling the truth that his intentions weren't to
kill Frankie it sounds like oh he hit me real hard I can't throw blow I can't trade blows with this guy right I'm
going to I'm just going to have to get him real quick and go and and make and maybe he just intended to get him in the
arm or in the hand or something like that and and unfortunately got him directly in the heart well and as far as
Frank Gable is concerned it it seems like all these other theories and then plus this confession which basically is
what they're claiming Frank Gable did mhm they're basically saying well but you're just changing the characters with
his confession and again by the way passes a polygraph and the guy sits in jail well and you wonder too if there's
no physical evidence to convict Frank Gable then why maybe there isn't any physical evidence because he's not your
guy and like you said the the story that John Krauss lays out for you is the same
theory that the prosecutors put forth at trial right it's just the difference is
you have one guy who's saying this is what I did I did I did exactly what the prosecution said and my name is John
Krauss and then you have another guy who's saying man I'm completely innocent don't stop looking for the killer cuz
he's actually out there and my name is Frank Gable so we should mention the Innocence Project has taken on Frank
Gable's case uh and looked at this thing several times in attempts to get him please you know or not please appeals uh
granted for his conviction so you know us presenting these conspiracy theories um it's not a lot of ookie cooky dookie
you know it's it's um say what people smarter than us have looked at Frank Gable's case and questioned his guilt
and questioned the verdict of such yeah ookie cooky dookie that's right that means
it it means it's poopy means it's ookie poopy doopy means it's poopy so the problem with this case captain and I
think it's extremely obvious to everyone is that this case is complicated I mean
we have Michael Frankie who was brought into end corruption in the Oregon prison
system Michael Frankie discovers or may have discovered deep corruption very high up in the prison system chain of
command and then he's murdered prior to the release of the details of his findings right his briefcase and
possibly other paperwork disappear and are never found now the interesting thing to me though is that we three
months later three months after the murder is when John Krauss confesses to his family that he killed Michael
Frankie in a botched robbery then we have police who later ignore this confession the investigation takes 15
months and they arrest Frank Gable no physical evidence ever links Gable to the crime Gable's sentenced but very few
people believe he is in fact guilty all of the people who test T ified against cable recanted their testimony so I ask
you Captain as we take a look at these theories that we've discussed today how do you feel on some th certain things
how do you feel about Frank Gable do you think that he's guilty or make him take
a li detector do you think that if I was going to represent him as the innocent project is putting time and effort into
him and make him take a lie detector if he can pass that then okay we can start there do you think that there was a hit
taken out on Michael Frankie no I mean I think there I don't know I mean it's like I said the 3 months after the
murder you have somebody confessing you have somebody confessing to their family
the police don't take that serious because they got their guy again their the state's case and
what the evidence kind of shows us is that it's more likely a botch robbery mhm and then K's the story lines up so
why wouldn't you believe him especially he passes the test that does not mean there wasn't corruption there doesn't
that doesn't mean that Frankie wasn't going to find it and he might have and and and probably his
murder scared a lot of people to death oh yeah yeah you're you're probably right even if the murderer
didn't know about Michael Frankie's job or who Michael Frankie was or what he could have stumbled upon or found what
he was looking for I guess we should say so I'm with you um as far as Frank Gable
goes I think unfortunately it's it's not very probable that he was the Killer and
just because the zero evidence Factor because of all of the witnesses recanting their stories MH um then we
also have the added element of the interrogation process and the polygraph process for all of those most of those
Witnesses seems to be not normal irregular right coer the difficult thing is that you know Frankie was high up in
the prison system and so that put pressure on the police to solve it but also again with the
corruption if there's higher levels of corruption those people are connected to people on the law enforcement and
they're going to solve this thing get this closed get the heat off of us it was a robbery that's it right so I think
partly because of the corruption is why we have this innocent man behind bars as
far as the hit Theory goes or the different hit theories that are out there I also question this thought
because here my thought is usually this when there is a hit put out and when the
hit is carried out usually usually the target is is killed and the offender knows that the
target is dead when they leave the area and what I mean by that is most of the evidence and most of what the medical
examiner as well as other investigators in this case have stated is they believe
that Michael Frankie was attacked near his vehicle and then was able to to flee right and attempt to get help where he
would have survived and been able to tell us what happened to him who attacked him and that doesn't work out
very well for a hit doesn't sound like a hit and then also the you know the rumors were that we need to make it look
like a suicide if that's the case the hit didn't even try to make it look like a suicide and then even with on the
abduction Theory same thing let's make it look like a suicide you're going to tell me that you're going to take this
person in a van we're talking about 63 225 lb 235 lbs you're going to take him in a van with three guys and then when
you when you bring him back he's still going to move around alive I because the evidence seems like
he moved from his car to the second floor if that's the case then you you brought him back somewhat alive right
and that that makes no sense so I mean if you're going to abduct somebody for the purpose of shutting the up for good
MH you're going to shut him up for good the only thing that stops me from ruling
out the possibility of a hit 100% is the fact that we have the situation with Scott mallister and Linda Parker where
she states that she overheard mallister basically telling a bunch of guys that the it was a hit however the people that
were hired to carry it out really screwed it up you know unless this was a hit that was really screwed up yeah but
he hear me out it is possible like I said there's possible that all these things are happening at the same time
and you have a hit that's going out but you don't know when that hit is going to
happen right you don't know if it's that day or whatever and so it could have just simply been um talked about on
these high level people the high level people that are in the prison system working with the criminals saying hey
you need to take care of this these criminals or drug dealers or whatever they're not in the bus business of
putting in hits and so this this car Breakin happens mhm and then mallister calls his guys hey what
happened they go well he he got away and they had nothing to do with it you see what I'm saying they're covering their
ass well the interesting thing is we have and I wow you just stumbled upon something here Captain because we have
Michael Frankie who's last scene alive about 6:30 p.m. on the 17th the newspapers on the 18th said Frankie ma
or sorry Michael Frankie has been murdered the newspapers the very next day say Michael Frankie was murdered
right so guess what if you're somebody that ordered that hit and then you make a phone call you go well I guess the
deed is done question mark right like I hired you to kill this guy and now I'm reading the newspaper and he's dead MH
and the the medical examiner saying it was is 100% a homicide that's interesting could
somebody have paid Scott mallister or some of his group paid Timothy natividad and a guy or two to kill Michael Frankie
or a guy and a girl and John Krauss for some reason shows up breaks into Michael
Frankie's car on the 17th stabs him accidentally unintentionally kills Michael Frankie and Timothy natividad
says you're deed was carried out my friend thanks for the money I'll meet you here on Tuesday for the
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Michael Francke was a good man. He was hired in 1987 as the Director of Oregon state’s Department of Corrections. Michael was brought in to oversee the largest prison expansion in the state’s history. The Oregon prisons were very badly overcrowded. Many believe that Michael discovered something unsavory. This could have been corruption in the Oregon Department of Corrections, or an organized criminal element in the prison system. People believe this because Michael was telling them this. Before he could reveal the evil that lurked beneath the surface someone attacked and killed Michael Francke. Beer of the Week - Doublecross by Crux Fermentation Project Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

Michael Frankie was murdered in 1989; Frank Gable's conviction is questioned due to unreliable witness testimonies and potential corruption in corrections.

Key points

The Murder of Michael Frankie. Michael Frankie was killed in front of the Oregon State Prison in 1989. The case raises questions about the prosecution's reliance on witness testimony.
Witness Testimonies and Doubts. Witnesses against Frank Gable later recanted their testimonies, raising doubts about the conviction.
Conspiracy Theories Unfold. Various conspiracy theories emerge regarding Michael Frankie's murder, including potential corruption within the Oregon Department of Corrections.
The Abduction Theory. Michael Frankie may have been abducted and brought back to the scene of his murder.
Confession of John Krauss. John Krauss confessed to murdering Michael Frankie, claiming it was an accident.
Frank Gable's Innocence Project Case. The Innocence Project has taken on Frank Gable's case, questioning the validity of his conviction.

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