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let's talk some true crime [Music] Morgan Shantel Nick was born on September 12 1988 when she disappeared on Friday June
9th 1995 she was 6 years old 4T tall 55 lb with blue eyes and long blonde hair she
had a protruding purple Vein on the lower left of her rib cage and five visible silver caps on her MERS that
were scheduled to be removed later the Amber Alert in Arkansas is named after Morgan Nick
an ay magazine article by Janie Jones titled the Morgan Nick Story States an old Superstition says if you make a wish
when you see the first lightning bug of the year the wish will come true but for
Colleen Nick lightning bugs remind her of the night her six-year-old daughter Morgan went
missing and Colleen Nick had this to say in an interview back in 19 1997 miss Nick said she still has hope
Morgan will be found alive quote you can't give up until you know for sure I don't want to have to look my daughter
in the eye and tell her I gave up she goes on to say quote I don't know who these people are that think they can do
this to our children on the day in question 6-year-old Morgan Nick was with her mom Colleen the two
drove from their home in Ozark Arkansas 30 Mi away to Alma Arkansas Alma is a Tiny Town population was under 4,000
back in 1995 the town is nestled in the ozar mountains this is a rural area but Elma
is bisected by a major highway this is Interstate 80 and Elma is only 13 miles from the Oklahoma border Morgan and
Colleen traveled to a ballpark to watch some little league baseball games with friends who lived in Alma they were
meeting their friends there it was a long day of baseball with the final game between the pythons and the Marlins
starting later than scheduled and stretching into the 10: p.m. time time frame they estimate that there was about
300 people watching the baseball game the crowd was involved active and at times loud Morgan was wearing a green
Girl Scouts t-shirt blue denim shorts and white sneakers Morgan stayed close to her mother hanging out with her on
the bleachers the little girl enjoyed silly pranks and that night she was trying to trick her mother by climbing
down by Colleen's feet and tying her shoelaces together sometime around 10 :30 p.m. according to Colleen Morgan was
asked by some other kids to come and catch fireflies with them apparently it was common for the kids hanging out
during the games to play on a hill with grassy areas and a sand pile this is adjacent to the parking lot Morgan was
shy and at first she did not want to go but then decided to ask her mom if she could join the other kids yeah I saw it
reported that the mom at first said N I don't want you playing away from us but one of the other mothers said hey it's
common for the kids to go play over there yeah the tricky thing here is the time involved it's awfully late at night
it's going to be dark out the yes it was the common play area for the ballpark and these two kids from my understanding
they already knew Morgan it wasn't like they were new to Morgan right so this was a boy named Ty he is 10 years old
and an 8-year-old girl named Jessica so I think it also helps when granting permission to go off and play in a
different area that these two children are a little older than your six-year-old daughter yeah and I don't
think this other mother was at a line to say hey kids play there all the time but
baseball games are not played there all the time that late so this area is fairly well lit and colen said that she
could see Morgan in the other kids running around from where she sat in the bleacher now she does admit that she
occasionally lost sight of her daughter this play area was approximately 75 yard
from where Colleen was sitting but then the game ended now it's right around 10:45 p.m. so not too much time has
passed between granting permission to go off and play and the end of this game at
the time Tai and Jessica the two other children ran back up to the bleachers but as Colleen quickly noticed Morgan
was not with them when she asked the youngsters about Morgan they said they last Saw Morgan sitting in the parking
lot she was emptying out her shoes according to the kids emptying out sand from her shoes and after that the two
kids lost track of their little friend Colleen is now on high alert and she starts racing toward the parking lot
given the situation the two kids just described Colleen assumed that Morgan would meet her at the car this is a
Nissan stanza but when she got there to her car there was no sign of Morgan she looked for her in the area asking
everyone if they had seen her but they had not the ballpark was clearing out and there was no sign of Morgan Colleen
got the other parents and even some of the baseball coaches involved in this search someone with a cell phone offered
the phone to Colleen and she called the police authorities were very quick to respond arriving within 6 minutes of
Colleen's frantic call once on the scene the two little kids that were playing with Morgan Ty and Jessica told
authorities that while they were playing a man that the two describ simply as creepy mhm this man came up to the three
children and spoke to them well interesting since it's 1995 that somebody had a cell phone so that's
lucky for them and good for the police to respond as quickly as they did do we have a report of what El Creo said to
these kids we do and we don't and I think we can dive into that more later when we're looking at the details of
this possible suspect but I think what we should talk about here is why he immediately becomes a suspect M so from
the general understanding that we have in this situation we have about 300 people at this Ballpark and yes it's
loud at times it's busy there's a lot going on these games were stretching far into the night much later than expected
right this man according to these two children spoke with Morgan remember this this time frame this window of time when
this little girl goes missing it's about 15 minutes pretty short right yeah this
guy during that time frame speaks to this little girl and the two others right now the reason why we don't have a
100% confirmation about what he said to the children is because police stated early on on this guy's a suspect and we
are holding back the information of what was said to the children by this man right because we need something to weed
out any possible false confessions or false confessors that may come forward right he becomes an immediate suspect
because during the short window he interacts with the three children one of them who went missing and apparently
once it is known that Morgan is missing has disappeared this man is gone too nobody remembers seeing him or his
vehicle after they noticed that Morgan was missing right and I I think a lot of people would assume that this guy's El
Creo is driving around in an El Creo van but but he wasn't so this man is described as having a short or clipped
beard some reports state that it was an half an inch thick he's estimated to be about 23 to 38 years old about about 6
ft tall 180 lb slicked back dark hair wearing denim cut off shorts no shirt or shoes with a hairy chest all right so he
has a hairy chest and he's wearing Jorts he spoke to the kids in what they refer
to as a hillbilly accent so I'm just assuming that these other two kids are possibly not from around there because I
think this would be kind of a standard local accent cuzz it is arkans saw the two children were from Alma from the
from that area or lived in that area who knows where they they could have been born in Alaska for all I know right so
may but so maybe it wasn't common in in their local area yeah the the interesting thing here too Captain is
that the two children were not the only ones to see this what we will refer to as quote the creepy man one female adult
witness reported seeing the man as well she apparently also verified the description of the man she saw speaking
to the the kids right she says she only saw him from afar but the important thing is she is providing authorities
with a very similar description of this man later this woman was actually hypnotized by authorities in Little Rock
to see if she could provide any more information unfortunately she could not now we will continue to revisit This
creepy man that was spotted talking to the children Morgan being one of them we will revisit him as he is the Crux of
our case of her disappearance other than the three persons we have already discussed the two children playing with
Morgan and an unnamed woman no one else seems to have remarked about this to investigators and Morgan's mother never
saw this creepy guy correct now nobody else coming forward this could be for any number of reasons it could be that
this is a small town this man is known to locals and not seen as a threat and is really just a red
herring or he could be someone who had a legitimate reason to be there that night
so he didn't trigger any alarm bells or it could just be that no one other than our three Witnesses noticed this man at
all right the creepy man that we have discussed is considered a suspect not just because he was seen talking with
these three children but also because he was seen by the woman when Morgan is there and accounted for then just a
short time later Morgan is gone and apparently this man seems to be gone as well well at some point Morgan's mom
also saw her plane so we have a window of 15 minutes now we have a eyewitness seeing the creepy man we also have
probably other sightings from Morgan's mother seeing Morgan play so you could narrow down this window to probably
within a couple minutes of when she was actually taken a sketch of the man was circulating and a description of a
vehicle that the creepy man may have been driving was also circulated shortly after the Abduction the Charlie project
website States based on reporting at the time that Witnesses at the ball game said the unidentified man may have been
seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a white camper which was about 5 in too small for the truck bed the Camper's
windows were covered with curtains the truck TR had a dull paint job because it was clearly old likely vintage they
estimate between 1968 and 1974 and had a short wheel base and was possibly damaged on its right rear end
reports that it had Arkansas plates also circulated now it breaks my heart to report that Morgan she has never been
seen or heard from since there are some really important aspects to this abduction
that are key and unfortunately not very helpful to investigators no one saw Morgan leave the ballpark at all no one
saw this little girl leave the ballpark alone or with anyone else she simply was
there and then she wasn't well right and nobody saw her leaving because she was in the camper in the back of that truck
it is usually reported in connection with this case that there were other attempted abductions around the same
time and one in particular reported was that earlier that same day in a laundry mat in Alma there was a bearded man
trying to pull a 9-year-old girl out of the laundry mat and into his truck somebody stepped in intervened and this
abduction was stopped red truck uh it says his truck I don't have a description of the truck itself right
also on the day Morgan was abducted June 9th 1995 there was another attempted abduction this was reported two from
earlier in the day this is in regards to a 4-year-old in Alma the attempted abduction stopped when the girl screamed
and was saved by her mother the suspect it's been reported resembled Nick's abductor the next day June 10th an
attempted abduction of a 9-year-old girl is reported in Fort Smith Fort Smith is
just about 15 miles away the girl reported a suspect resembling Nick's abductor tried to get her to go into the
men's restroom with him but she resisted I do want to throw out a little caveat to everybody listening out there those
three attempted abductions those are legitimate reports that we found I have some suspicions that there were actually
only two right and that one of the the stories of an attempted abduction has kind of changed or you know been molded
throughout the years so it sounds like it's a second report but there are two legitimate at least two of these are
absolute legitimate the third possibly as well it's just important to point out here that we have at least two
situations where somebody's stating somebody that looks like this same guy right possibly could have tried to
abduct a young girl just within 24 hours of Morgan Nick going missing I will put
the composite drawing on Instagram Facebook Twitter all that stuff at True Crime garage just a couple weeks later
this is on June 26th a gardener claimed he saw Morgan this is Albert Harvey he's
a gardener for state representative Wanda northcut he told police Saturday morning that while clearing brush from
behind Mrs North Cut's home he saw a man trying to get into his truck he said the
man had a blond-headed girl with him and when the man realized Harvey had seen him the man grabbed the child's wrist
and fled into a nearby Thicket he claimed the man matched the description of Morgan Nick's alleged abductor right
police concentrated their search on an area around Mrs North Cut's home Searchers ComEd the area on foot
horseback and four-wheeled vehicles they used police dogs and a helicopter this article goes on to say the Nationwide
search for Morgan has produced hundreds of leads but nothing con conrete a widely distributed composite sketch of
the suspect shows a white man with salt and pepper hair and a short beard driving a faded red Ford pickup with an
ill-fitting white camper shell police find nothing during this search not even a clue or a lead then Albert Harvey took
a polygraph afterward he said he made the story up he apologized and had no explanation for more family yeah that's
that's so stupid again that's why we point out that they hold things back to to weed out the The Crazies the false
confessors that come forward this man just wanted to be a part of the story right and he offers a false lead to
police the aggravating thing here for the victims and for the families is that police efforts are concentrated On this
man's bogus story well yeah the the time and the effort they spent searching I mean you're you're a lying [ __ ] princess
this is less than 3 weeks after the abduction this is this is crucial time here being wasted on a bogus story right
it's very crucial and also if his story is correct it it's telling us something it's telling us that this perpetrator
kidnapped this girl and that she's still alive and and that there's you know what
I mean like it's false hope for the investigation and that the girl is still alive the 4th of July Baxter Bulletin
newspaper ran a story about the TV show America's Most Wanted which ran a segment on Morgan's case just July 4th
of that year right which produced a lot of tips some coming from other states Texas Washington and
Alabama any leads that police were calling hot were run down and nothing came of the tips in the information
provided by tipsters then on July 7 1995 less than a month after Morgan was abducted a backer bulletin headline read
girls report kidnap attempt third such incident during last 10 days the article goes on to tell this was a possible
abduction attempt in late June in Cotter and one last week so that would be late
June or early July this took place in Mountain Home right the article does not describe the attempts just saying that
the suspect effect in both cases resembled the composite sketch of the creepy man that was released after
Morgan's Abduction the third attempt stated it's detailed and quite alarming taking place on July 5th and 6th when
two men one described as 20 to 30 years old about 6 feet tall weighing about 170
lb with short hair and a black beard wearing a black shirt and black pants now the other man is described as
younger possibly a teenager with blonde hair uhhuh the younger man was driving an older two-tone brown car with
Arkansas plates with 711 as the last three digits the two girls were both 11 years old and said
the two men tried to pick them up in a Pebble Creek subdivision the report states that they tried to run the girls
over when they refused to go with the men the girls said they saw the men again the next day after seeing them the
second time they told their parents and the police were notified yeah there was an active Manhunt for these two men
however Sheriff Benny Magnus who would have known a good deal more than what we have here to report stated he did not
think these incidents were related to the Morgan Nick case well right and let's unpack this a little bit we have
several eyewitnesses see possible other abductions and they state that there's a
single individual and they mentioned this truck possibly a red or faded truck so it wouldn't be that uncomon if
the abductions were going to continue that the perpetrator would switch out his vehicle for a red truck to a faded
brown vehicle but now you have another suspect with that individual and and I think that's where
they're they're separating the two well I think that presents a lot of good questions about the description we're
given of this creepy man at the ballpark right how much do we really know about this guy we don't even know if the
vehicle description is describing his vehicle right you know this guy was seen on foot we don't know if he if he walked
to the ballpark and then then left on foot and the other thing too is we don't know if somebody was with him we don't
know if it was a different vehicle completely yeah but we don't have anybody coming Ford stating hey that was
my Ford red truck with the camper on it we also don't have anybody coming forward saying I was the man that spoke
to those children mhm Morgan's parents Colleen and John set up residence in the local Firehouse for 6 weeks after The
Disappearance and eventually Colleen moved to Alma full time to keep searching for her
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listen to the show watch out for the amateurs and cheers and Happy New Years to everybody in 1995 there were two
supposed sightings of Morgan in the company of a man in South Carolina that resulted in a sketch being circulated
that is available on the internet with a partial license plate nothing came of these two sightings that we know of but
then on September 12th 1995 three people in a small town in central Arizona say they saw Morgan Nick
three people reported seeing a little girl who looked like Morgan accompanied by a man matching the description given
on the composite drawing driving a late model Ford pickup with Arkansas plates this is in PAC Arizona hundreds of miles
west of where she disappeared police searched the town but found nothing well this is a scary suspect when you think
about it eyewitnesses see a man at the Ballpark with a truck possibly a camper attached this this guy this individual
could be a nomad yeah and really with all of these stories whether it be a sighting or another possible abduction I
really just wanted to learn more of the details of such because they're really left out of these stories here and to
see if we can find anything that matches up with what we do know about Morgan Nick's disappearance and abduction
usually what I find here Captain is when you have that type of situation where it's actually not
connected to the case at all or followed up on and it just really goes nowhere that's why there's a lack of details
because they're not really necessary to the story so one has to wonder is there truth in any of these other possible
connections or even some of the sightings of Morgan Nick but it does show you the grand scale of this
investigation and how everybody out there was aware of this missing girl right there is a story from May of
1997 and I'm not going to read the entire article because there are some details as as far as victim's name that
I don't really want to get into because again this is another situation that seems like it could be linked but we
don't have any evidence to 100% back that up but I think you'll find this story strange and interesting this comes from
May of 1997 in Spyro Oklahoma mhm this is where police were collecting ball game videos looking
for clues in a girl's abduction right okay so yes this is another state away but remember we said earlier that Alma
was only what 13 15 miles from the Oklahoma State state border right and this is a town Spiro Spyro however you
say it that will come up in this Morgan Nick investigation time and time again so that's why I find this story to be so
interesting this is a abduction a successful abduction not just an attempted one like we've already
discussed of a four-year-old girl it sounds to me the way that this article reads my first thought was oh [ __ ] this
little girl was abducted from a ballpark mhm just like Morgan Nick it sounds to me like her home was right across the
street from a ballpark right and she may have been abducted just outside of the ballpark or from her home from her
property regardless they were collecting you know Mom and Dad shows up with the video camera to watch their daughter or
their son play sports film everything well we have an abduction that took place if you were there we want to see
your video we want to see what is on that video what did you pick up in the background Vehicles did you actually
videotape unknowing to yourself the the Abduction of this little girl right or people taking pictures of their kids
playing playing games and what evidences in those photographs yeah and the reason
why I don't want to give out the victim's name here is again we don't know that this is connected it seems
very interesting not far away less than 2 years after Morgan Nick was abducted right same type of area maybe same type
of ruse used fortunately this little girl was let go she was found hours later on the side of a of the Road
apparently I don't know what took place during the course of the time that she was missing but eventually her captor
dropped her off on the side of the road miles away well it's interesting too because a lot of the attempted
abductions were coming were on girls around the age of 10 or 11 so the other thing here too that I want to point out
is I can't say for certain that the this abduction is solved or unsolved I couldn't find any record of it after
this this situation of them finding the girl and collecting evidence right but we got the victim back and and seems
like she's unharmed I'm thinking of reaching out to her to see what information she can provide you never
know because sometimes these things are most let's face it most child abductions
are a a parental issue a custody battle where a parent takes the kid without the
other parent knowing or allowing to happen that could be the case here but I find this one very interesting now we do
know that in Morgan Nick's situation they did the same thing they were looking for anybody with a video camera
with their camera to see if they could find evidence regarding Morgan Nick's disappearance on those videotapes on
those pictures the interesting thing really the really important thing I think that we have here 300 people at
the Ballpark of all that stuff that was collected we don't have any confirmation
of this faded red Ford pickup truck on any of those videotapes or on anybody's pictures from that night which again I
don't think it's not impossible I don't think that's a as big of a deal it's once you add the camper element this is
a truck with a camper attached to the bed yeah the fact that that not seen in anything is is kind of odd but again I
don't think these these eyewitnesses were making that up I because I think there the devil's always in the details
and when they say the camper the camper seemed maybe 5 in too short for the bed of the truck mhm that that's detail in
October of 1997 the Baxter bulletin reported that the police had confiscated some items during a September search
according to the affidavit filed in Crawford County Police searched an unnamed man's home and vehicle the man's
name was was brought forward to police by another man who says he was friends with this now suspect for about 13 years
uhuh the suspect talked to the informant that's his friend or former friend whatever you want to call him about
Morgan's abduction after the informant told police they set up a video surveillance operation where again the
man made statements about Morgan's abduction this time on videotape police used this videotape to secure a search
warrant during the search of the suspect's vehicle listed as a dark blue 1988 Ford pickup investigators found a
glove and a piece of paper both with dark red stains on them which investigators thought could possibly be
blood right inside the man's home they found a pink toothbrush and hair fibers on a roll of duct tape when they
attempted to question the man he gave authorities his lawyers business card and they were unable to arrest the man
or even question him police are unable to move on from this man until the results of the test regarding the
mentioned items comes back right this would end up taking about a year for the results and when they come back police
are unable to link any of these items to Morgan Nick Captain this is where things
are going to get wonky and that's the best word to describe this I prefer things to be a
little wonky won well in 2001 wonky there you go in 2001 Arkansas authorities circulated a new sketch a
new sketch of the suspect suspected in Morgan Nick's abduction I hate when they do this and they did that with the deli
murders as well Deli they did it in Amy Mahal's case we've seen this actually this is more common than people
understand it to be often I find that it is a much shorter duration than what is this we're at five
six years now right yeah but it could be similar like with the deli murders they
actually had a sketch earlier they just didn't release it correct so this is this is what we know because that's
where you really go okay they're making a new sketch maybe they're just updating
the old one no they if you look at the new sketch that is not the same man that is in the first catch uhhuh that's
obvious and they have said so they've said that is the case now what they state in this in
2001 is that Arkansas authorities circulated a new sketch this one based on actual actual witness statements from
the ballpark and this sketch does not really resemble the sketch initially circulated right so I'm looking at the
first sketch or what I think is the first sketch thicker beard looks like thicker hair thicker eyebrows um
definitely a different nose a wider nose and a very distinct um Square jawline right and that's the original from uh
1995 and then and I wouldn't say anything from that original drawing looked it doesn't look that creepy then
you go to the new sketch and it's creep city which is a wonderful place to vacation with your family no it's not a
place that you want to go to you can't fly there on any airline that I know of the bad thing is it's right by Parts
Unknown so the thing here that I find weird too is we don't really know why these children describe this unknown man
or potential suspect as a creep right we don't have any details to back up that statement oh he was creepy because of a
b and c no we just have their general statement of a 10 old and an 8-year-old saying that he was a creepy man yeah but
again I think if you look at the original sketch from 95 it looks more cartoony to me so I think seeing that
I'd go H the creep Bells aren't alarming they're not going off but in this new one kind of looks disheveled kind of
looks like it's it's almost like a beard that it's the guy's not trying to grow out a beard he just hasn't shaved um
maybe possibly receding hairline again slicked hair but it almost like greasy not because they put
product in it or anything but it's just greasier hair and then the eyes to me they look like dead eyes but what's
interesting to me or what I want to know is how we got from this first sketch that looks nothing like the second
sketch yes and that's what I really want to talk about here but but also we have
to on some level reexamine all the possible abductions where people said hey the the guy that I
saw trying to abduct this girl looked just like the original sketch well one phrase that that hit me hard not too
long ago and I've repeated it a few times is and I found this during the course of investigating some of the
cases that we've looked into dou Cano is sometimes we see what we want to see even if it's subconsciously mhm where
when you're later asked what did the man look like well if he didn't look unlike
the suspect or unlike the sketch that was released you might say he looked like that guy rather than the true
statement would be he didn't look unlike that man right so you ask a very good question
how do we get from one composite to what is obviously a different man that is drawn in in and released to the public
in the second composite draw it absolutely drives me insane so I there's some good information on that regarding
in comparison the first sketch to the second one thing that I find interesting to Captain is the first sketch we have a
description of what the man is wearing he's wearing the cut off jean shorts no shirt they're called shorts no socks no
shoes in the second composite we get no description of what the man is wearing right originally
when Panic set in in the community when Morgan Nick was first abducted within the hours and days of the Abduction the
original thought by the locals was that this had to be some Outsider this had to
be some Maniac some sio pervert passing through that took Morgan and we don't have to be afraid because he's not a
local he's not here anymore when they released the composite a lot of that thought and fear shifted to that it
could be a local why the description of the vehicle states that possibly had Arkansas plates right then on top of
that when you really start to think about it too the description of the man shirtless with no shoes hairy chest I I
don't know I just don't see some guy driving from states away shirtless and shoeless that just pops into this
ballpark all of a sudden at 10:00 at night 10:45 at night and sees the golden opportunity and abducts this little girl
and it works out great for him nobody saw the abduction nobody knows who he is okay but hold on let's go back to you
you don't see a Outsider driving to the ballpark go over that why don't you see that well this
would have been off of the highway it's not like he just happened to happen upon
the ballpark and these unattended children and then on top of that what I'm getting at to me shirtless and
shoeless suggests that the man could be local more so than somebody passing through I would agree with you if there
wasn't a freaking camper attached to his truck if that is his truck right correct
you are correct sir the other thing you see what I'm saying that makes more sense if that is his truck and we have a
camper hey I'm just I'm I'm relaxing because I'm at home this is my home this guy is a he could be from that state if
the license plate suggest so but I almost feel like that this individual maybe went there not so much to abduct a
kid but hey we can go park at this at this baseball field and we don't have to pay for
Campground yeah and and now that I'm here and I'm just kind of lounging around oh well I am a predator and
there's victims all over the place the other thing I want to point out regarding the first information
regarding our suspect that came out was let's go back to our what the Charlie project website States based on
reporting at the time the witness at the Ballpark game said the unidentified man
may have been seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a white camper which was about 5 in too small for the truck
bed I'm with you Captain I like the detailed information there right the camper window windows were covered with
curtains again I like that maybe he's considered creepy cuz you don't see these campers all the time maybe they
just found the kids found that to be weird yeah I mean we did a big campaign last year about banning the van maybe it
should have been Banning the the creepy I call them Cowboy campers well yeah I don't want to how
about ban the creepy camper and it'll be a truck with a camper on it here's where
I think that the description gets a little wonky remember we're getting wonky here wi wonky the
truck had a doll paint job because it was clearly old likely vintage 1968 to 1974 with a short wheel base and was
possibly damaged on its right rear end reports that it also had Arkansas plates I'm just pointing out
here Tai is 10 years old the girl is 8 years old right we know from the woman's statements that she
said she saw this man but from afar we can assume two things either she's able to provide better detailed information
because she's older wiser more life experiences MH she's an adult these are two small children MH or she's able to
provide less detailed information because she's far away from this person yeah what what I'm trying what I'm
trying to point out here is right I don't think that the woman is the one that's we we have a statement from law
enforcement saying we like her information that she provided because it's backing up the information that the
children provided us which could be as simple as a vague description of this man and I saw him talking to those two
kids and the two kids later telling police we only spoke to one man and so that's their their validation for those
witness accounts right I don't believe or I have a hard time believing that this woman from
afar saw this man's vehicle or was able to provide a detailed description to down to the the the make of the vehicle
potential year of the vehicle I can get if she saw in the distance mind you it's
dark out right if she saw in the distance as a doll red maybe orange pickup you'd be able to see the camper
you would be able to see the camper that's about the best description you're going to get from afar in the dark so
what I'm getting at is this detailed description I have to believe comes from the two children I don't think you have
to believe that I think it's also very possible when they interviewed the 300 and some people watching the game that
somebody said well I didn't see this El Creo by the creepy camper but I I did see the truck and and this is what I
noticed about the truck so we can't 100% that's that's a possibility but we do have statements
saying that these are the only three Witnesses right there that nightes of the man we do know that
police were looking for videotapes and for photographs that would contain any of the information that the witnesses
saw and couldn't find any of that I'm not questioning if the truck is there I'm not questioning that one bit what
I'm stating is I I believe that the description of the vehicle could be coming from the children if that's the
case regardless if it comes from the woman who's afar or the children the description of the vehicle is too
detailed to come from children or to come from a woman who who in her own words says I only saw the man from afar
she never says I saw his truck she never says that I saw him up close or standing
by the truck I find it weird that a 10-year-old or an 8-year-old is saying that this is a late model vehicle with a
short wheel base yeah yeah I get that there's probably damage to the vehicle that a child would recognize that a
child would Pro would definitely recognize Arkansas plates the reason why I'm going through this whole Tail Spin
here is because once you change the composite sketch of the suspect now you change a lot of what very little we and
the police know of this abduction or possible suspect you asked a damn good question why do we even have a change in
the composite sketch at all well I'm sure a lot of people were thinking that but the only evidence the only work that
I could see done on the reason why it changed came out in 2018 many years after Morgan Nick was
abducted and many years after the composite itself changed one investigative journalist and
you can find these articles on today and Fort smith.com fortsmith as many already know is not very far
from from our location in question right this reporter and some of this information is backed up by police but
not 100% not 100% backed up not verbatim not word for word just a few of the details have been confirmed by police in
in a statement to which they are kind of apologizing or saying that there were missteps in the investigation yeah what
this steps in every investigation the the problem is we're we're not calling anybody bad at their job when you're
investigating something you are you are following a phantom it ain't easy to follow the moves of a phantom when you
have to piece it all together there will be missteps that's how you that's how you eliminate the the innocent people
from the one guilty person yeah especially in a case like this I mean it's we have we have several people in
the location but very few eyewitnesses and then we have this very like you were saying it's very Willy Wonky situation
where you have young kids as eyewitnesses now we have this odd vehicle this truck with a camper that's
just odd in general it's it's very Willy Wonky the description changed according
to today in Forts smith.com [Music] because it was not based off of the abduction of Morgan Nick that the
original composite sketch that was put out that contained what this man was wearing and not wearing along with the
vehicle description came about from witnesses to the other attempted abductions that took place police at the
time having no information to go off of they believed that they likely could be connected and because of whatever this
to me also points out the lack of information provided to them from the three Witnesses at the Ballpark yeah
they're going with this because they have nothing else to go on and what they said was we made the composite of a man
that was seen in one of the other abducting abduction attempts showed it to our three Witnesses at the Ballpark
and they said yeah on a scale of 1 to 10 it's an eight and so that being the only
thing and only information that they went off of right they released it to the public it's a it's in desperation
that they do this and they're doing this regardless if anybody thinks this is an
error a mistake or just wrongdoing they did this in desperation because they were trying to find anything they could
to lead them to this little girl and bring her home safely all right so you're saying that this whole report
that he's wearing Jorts and he has a hairy chest this is not coming from thy Witnesses of the ballpark this is coming
from the the other attempted abductions that's what's confusing here and that's why I question the the vehicle
description I question the clothing description because we know that the man's description has changed what we do
have is police later saying when when they say look we had to do this and this is why we didn't have to do anything
they they I mean don't fault them they feel guilty for it they feel bad for it right but they didn't have to I'm not
going to fault somebody for for doing what they believe In the Heat of the Moment to be the right thing you could
easily say that these attempted abductions We Believe are linked to Morgan Nick's disappearance and what
that perpetrator was wearing at the time was this so the statement that the police gave in
2018 regarding the clothing because that's that's the next question that everybody wants to know well you you
changed the composite but now we're realizing we also have this description of a vehicle
we have description of what the suspect may or may not have been wearing does that change the answer simply put was
they had a hard time confirming between the three Witnesses at the Ballpark exactly what the man was wearing that
night so rather than make another mistake they chose not to include it on the new composite that came out 5 six
years later well I can understand why people would be confused when you see something that
looks like Je but they're short like shorts that's confusing well again a lot of people don't see Jorts
the problem here is is simply put what we St stated earlier nobody saw Morgan Nick leave the ballpark nobody saw her
leave alone or with somebody else or nobody heard a scream nobody saw a man grab a child and throw the child inside
a vehicle and speed off right but had that gone down we would have a better different description from the two
children and from the woman from afar plus we would have other eyewitnesses that would have noticed something going
on right when you have a situation where nobody knows that something wrong is about to happen you lose some of those
details you people are not really focusing in or honing in on certain details at the time
because life most of the time is just ordinary this was just an ordinary moment until later they realized that
this girl was missing well I don't think so I think uh I think Mother's intuition
I think when her daughter was saying when Morgan was saying let me go play and the mom said no we're not going to
do that I don't think it was so much that it was dark she saw other kids playing I think that was Mother's
intuition that something right something's not right and then she got reassurance from somebody else don't
worry they play here all the time and then she let her out of of her sites and and but I think that was some something
T her don't don't let your daughter go play the other thing too and this is just a reminder like we've done in so
many other cases Amy mahalik comes to mind immediately if you suspect someone or
suspect something in regards to someone you know or maybe you only kind of know them right do not hesitate to provide
that information to authorities just because anything given in either composite would cancel out your
suspicion well and like like you were saying there was a couple there was at least one abduction where they say there
was a truck but they believe the truck was blue if the eyewitness accounts of the truck with the the camper maybe it
wasn't red maybe it was blue and and but that's the stuff that frustrates me because somebody could be reading the
newspaper let's say in 1995 and says okay well this kid was abducted oh I kind of know this weirdo he has a he has
a red truck or he has a blue truck or whatever color truck he has he has a brown truck with a camper too small for
the bed kind of strange but it doesn't match the Des or it has Texas plates or you know there's one thing that's off or
a couple things that are off and you go well I'm not going to call him call it in I don't want to disrupt his life
because it can't be him cuz he's not from Arkansas or any other number of reasons and the problem is then you
learn later on years later that scratch that you really know nothing about the likely suspect
right in 2010 Federal investigators this took place in um November Federal investigators searched a vacant trailer
home in Spyro Oklahoma for DNA evidence in the Morgan Nick case again this is where we hear that town name again they
zeroed in on this trailer because they received a tip they searched the same area again on
December 18th and 19th 7 years later in 2017 and a cadav dog alerted to a well that was found on the property but
nothing was found in the well right but they could be alerting to some remnants of of of something yeah there
was nothing found in regards to Morgan's case and apparently this tip was from a
Narcotics officer who alerted police to the abandoned home which belonged to a convicted child molester who was in
prison at the time of both of the searches mhm the tip technically didn't pertain specifically to Morgan's case
but because the guy was on their suspect list they searched it right and he may have just been on the suspect list
because of where he was living and that he was convicted child molester right i'
would like to know what his vehicle history was back to our creepy guy captain in the cowboy camper with the
faded red truck or who knows what he was driving called the creepy camper further according to the 2018
investigative reporter looking into the case this is the one that I feel put out some good information you
can call it a leak you could call it speculation what have you it's thought-provoking regarding Morgan
Nick's case that I'm hoping does not dry up this investigative reporter said that
the FBI profilers that took a look at the case concluded early on that the shirtless man seen talking to the kids
was not a likely suspect really they thought that it would be certainly strange for someone shirtless and
shoeless to abduct a child in his somewhat ragged appearance seems to indicate that he was likely a local who
live nearby what they are kind of suggesting here Captain is maybe this individual didn't belong to that vehicle
to that to that truck maybe it was somebody that lived nearby that happened to be passing through on foot or had a
reason to be at the ballpark right shirtless shoeless is awfully casual yeah again I don't find it that casual
if your if your house is in the back of your truck right but I think what the the FBI profilers are pointing out here
is a couple things one we don't know if this man that was seen that spoke to the
children in fact took Morgan right that's just the suspicion two we don't know if he and the vehicle belong
together right three we don't even know if he had a vehicle there with him right
I want to get into some of the details of that night one I question immediately the time
frame 10:30 at night who's playing a little league baseball game at 10:30 at night it ends at 10:45 I I'm not going
to lie I questioned a little Colleen allowing her six-year-old daughter to go off and play away from her that late at
night right but that's fair to question because she questions it herself correct
and and I I throw no fault at her especially when you have locals people that you know and trust telling you all
the kids go over there and play L we Bal the going to be over pretty soon I think that the where you would
think that the number of people in the ballpark that evening that night would help you in this investigation you know
it gives you more sets of eyes more sets of ears I think in this situation it may
have hurt the investigation I wonder if we have if we have a crowd that's active
that's loud that it's involved in the game my understanding is it was a tournament that was going on that day
right and that's why they had played so late because it's probably the championship game and they're trying to
get it over with well not only that my understanding is the game was supposed to the game that they were watching was
supposed to start something like 2 and a half or 3 hours earlier than what it actually started and you and I growing
up we played in soccer tournaments uh you probably played in baseball tournaments I was terrible at baseball
that's why I like to watch it I was bad at baseball too but I played in tournaments so now with me you watch but
the regarding these tournaments and basketball tournaments so on and so forth we all know that if if the first
game runs long or if there's any kind of slip up in between games it pushes everything back and then if there's
another slip up or another game goes long it pushes everything back right and further and further and especially in a
tournament setting where you need to win or lose to determine DET who moves on you can't have a tie these games can go
Extra Innings well and you also have people traveling from out of town that's why I saying that they'll push things
back and and maybe not use their best judgment because I I look I just don't think it's safe to have that many kids
and and those that many unknown people in this park you know starting a game at almost 10:00 so I've always wondered
about Morgan's case one simple thing that we don't have anyone that saw her snatched and grabbed and taken away we
didn't have anybody hear a scream or a yell there's nobody that witnessed an altercation between a little girl and
creep man right so you have to wonder two things is it possible that she went willing with this individual it could be
that she thought she knew him she knew him he offered money or a reason to get into the vehicle and just Qui
anding or did he actually have to grab her and abduct her and take her away and it was just missed because all the eyes
are on the baseball game and there's cheering going on and there's noise and you don't you don't hear a little girls
yell or scream 75 yards away because everybody next to you is yelling and screaming it it's just one of those
tricky things where I I keep going back to what the sheriff has said time and time again in this case that it's such a
simple case and that's what has made it such a difficult case to investigate she's there one minute and then she's
not there right and we don't know what information we can trust from some of the witnesses especially when it's
compared to these other abductions the one one of those abductions that may have contributed to the description of
this man this is not verified by police I couldn't find a statement them confirming this but what the statement
was from the article that I was reading was that they were putting forth the idea that one of those abductions was
actually a custody dispute right and that later that's what was that's what prompted police to change the composite
sketch of what they later released saying this is from actual Witnesses from the abduction or from that night at
the Ballpark because then they later find out oh the man that tried to take one of the these little girls in one of
these situations it was a custody dispute that's why I wonder if the the vehicle description that is so detailed
if it may have come from someone that knew that man or saw that vehicle up close and personal or saw it for a
longer period of time rather than what these children at the Ballpark saw yeah it it bothers me like like I said um but
if the FBI is look they have the best profilers they done profiles on individuals where they they say some of
the craziest stuff you know like we think that the perpetrator's favorite color is orange you know or he might
have a disfigurement or a speech impediment or he's you know there's all kinds of things that are interesting
yeah but but when they're correct and and it's like this very tiny detail of how the hell did they know that how the
hell could they profile for that detail mhm and so for them to say well look we got no shoes we got no shirt we're we're
thinking this guy is a local guy again I don't know the ballpark that well so the
ballpark from my understanding is now a parking lot I was trying to look up the ballpark even if I couldn't find
pictures from 95 if I could find something closer to today to get I could not find anything yeah to get an idea of
the layout and the size I really wanted to know the size of it and what was in the immediate area because some of the
ball fields that we played at growing up some of them were very small containing
one one one Diamond one Diamond maybe two others contained or play a lot of baseball I was I kept wanting to call it
a field court was it Court was it Court I was more of a field guy no cuz yeah cuz some places you know when traveling
for music and stuff like that I'd see these one diamond in the middle of town and there was just a couple parking
spots around it it it's almost like people just parked at their houses and walked to the diamond and then there's a
lot of other places that have multiple diamonds and so you just wonder again because we don't have that information
on hand uh it's hard to get a perspective but again I I just don't see look I'm no FBI profiler most of the
time I'm a giant idiot but I just don't see that it's that hard for people to think if this individual stop stopped
and parked there to stay I'm with you with a camper that makes sense that why wouldn't they just throw on some sandals
and you know I just came I just woke up from a nap and I have no shirt on and I got this hairy man chest and I'm going
to show it off the little peacocking the wannabe profiler in me tells me that this ball field the ballpark whatever
you want to call it is probably on the smaller scale because if the games did in fact get pushed back to the point of
two and a half hours to three hours delay right if they had multiple diamonds you could easily move those
games to an open diamond right you see what I mean rather than rather than just making everybody stuck there for an
extra three hours but hold on I've played a lot of softball tournaments and sometimes what happens it's somebody
that got into the loser bracket and they just kept winning and then it became a sit situation where it's like well we
think that this team you know you have to lose two games and you're out well the team with one loss ends up
destroying a bunch of teams getting and facing a team that only has that has no losses and they have to beat him twice
in a row so that might be a reason why somebody got pushed back so far but I also question how again I people from
this town will know and and hopefully we can get some conversation on the blog about these diamonds and and how many
were were they and how how were they connected to the rest of the town and were they buy a lot of
residencies I'd like to know that because I think that could give us a a better uh outlook on this case the other
thing too that you have to question is the profilers or the FBI agents that worked this case early
on they unlike us would know exactly what the children said their conversation was with this
man the information that they've been holding on to yeah because again there could be something very simple in that
conversation of oh yeah that's that's my truck or well the profilers are the ones
saying that they think it's unlikely now I question a lot of this stuff because we don't have actual agents names to
apply and to attach to these statements of we believe that the man that spoke to
the children the shirtless man is an unlikely suspect M but one thing that comes out in some of these articles
Captain is that this was leaked this is not confirmed but it was that the man came up to the children and yelled at
them because they were breaking bottles and he was concerned about broken glass in the area and in the parking lot right
if in fact this is true that's where you have the FBI agents going okay he he has
a reason he has a purpose to speak to these children because of their actions rather than something he's trying to do
therefore we don't think he is a likely suspect there's a chance that the man just doesn't recall speaking to children
that night or spoke to many children that night what I what I do call into question is why has this man not come
forward just like you pointed out earlier with the very detailed description of that truck if you saw
that description of that truck or heard it immediately and that's your truck you
know that's your truck you it's not there's no question about it right yeah well no and the the camper also somewhat
makes some sense as far as like travel baseball goes is because you'd be playing this tournament and you would
you know one of my neighbors has a big camper and they got the big camper to start going to their grandkids sporting
events and they just thought what a great way to go and it will give the family A a place that they could hang
out and during during their off times so it makes sense for a lot of the people that were possibly at the ball Diamond
that night to have something like that there is a statement that I found captain that does offer some hope for
this investigation and that comes from Chief Russell white he is the alma PD police chief back in
2015 he acknowledge that they have a quote lead suspect in the case but not enough evidence to make an arrest right
which that is very hopeful and and again but maybe we can create some kind of conversation some dialogue as far as the
blog goes go to True Crim garage.com if you have any information about this case
even if you think it's very small put it out there there's a lot of intelligent people that visit the blog and and put
out information and some theories not not not that we always agree with them uh but we
I like actually posting the ones that I don't agree with because I think it's a different Viewpoint out there like I
said I think we can create some dialogue hopefully that helps maybe even create a
new lead or a new angle that they could go after this suspect with after receiving more and more invitations to
speak at schools and churches Colleen Nick formed the Morgan Nick Foundation which is a nonprofit headquartered in
Alma Colleen said in an interview quote we still don't know where she is or what
happened to her and we absolutely intend to know that our message to Morgan if she ever hears or sees or reads anything
about her own case is that we are coming for you and we are coming with an army of people who have been fighting for you
the Morgan Nick Foundation offers support to families of the missing and acts as a liaison with police and the
media members strive to educate teachers students and communities about safety skills and preventative measures they
can take to ward off possible kidnappers the foundation encourages legislation that protects the rights of children and
enhances law enforcement's ability to find the missing and bring them home all right it's so good to be back in
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Brief Summary

The episode details the 1995 abduction of Morgan Nick and ongoing investigation challenges.

Key points

The Disappearance of Morgan Nick. Morgan Nick, a 6-year-old girl, vanished during a baseball game in 1995, sparking a nationwide search.
The Creepy Man. Witnesses reported a suspicious man speaking to Morgan and other children shortly before her disappearance.
Bogus Leads Waste Time. A false report about seeing Morgan leads to wasted resources in the investigation.
Morgan's Parents' Vigil. Colleen and John Nick set up residence in a local firehouse for six weeks after Morgan's disappearance.
Eyewitness Accounts. Several eyewitnesses reported a creepy man at the ballpark, raising concerns about abductions.
Suspicious Items Found. Police found items with dark red stains during a search of a suspect's home, raising alarms about their connection to Morgan.

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Episode quotes

You can't give up until you know for sure.

Colleen Nick on hope for her daughter Morgan.

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