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grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] Morgan Chantel Nick was born on
September 12 1988. when she disappeared on Friday June 9 1995. she was six years old four feet
tall 55 pounds with blue eyes and long blonde hair she had a protruding purple Vein on the
lower left of her rib cage five visible silver caps on her molars that were scheduled to be removed later
the Amber Alert in Arkansas is named after Morgan Nick an ay magazine article by Janie Jones
titled the Morgan Nick Story States an old superstition says if you make a wish when you see the
first lightning bug of the year the wish will come true but for Colleen Nick lightning bugs
remind her of the night her six-year-old daughter Morgan went missing and calling Nick
had this to say in an interview back in 1997. Ms Nick said she still has hope Morgan will be found alive
quote you can't give up until you know for sure I don't want to have to look my daughter
in the eye and tell her I gave up she goes on to say quote I don't know who these people are that
think they can do this to our children [Music] on the day in question six-year-old
Morgan Nick was with her mom Colleen the two drove from their home in Ozark Arkansas 30 miles away to Alma Arkansas
Alma is a Tiny Town population was under 4 000 back in 1995. the town is nestled
in the Ozark Mountains this is a rural area but Alma is bisected by a major highway this is interstate 80. and Alma
is only 13 miles from the Oklahoma border Morgan and Colleen traveled to a ballpark to watch some little league
baseball games with friends who lived in Alma they were meeting their friends there it
was a long day of baseball with the final game between the pythons and the Marlins starting later than scheduled
and stretching into the 10 p.m time frame they estimate that there was about 300 people watching the baseball game
the crowd was involved active and at times allowed Morgan was wearing a green Girl Scouts t-shirt blue denim shorts
and white sneakers Morgan stayed close to her mother hanging out with her on the bleachers the little girl enjoyed
silly pranks and that night she was trying to trick her mother by climbing down by Colleen's feet and tying her
shoelaces together sometime around 10 30 PM according to Colleen Morgan was asked
by some other kids to come and catch fireflies with them apparently it was common for the kids hanging out during
the games to play on a hill with grassy areas and a sand pile this is adjacent to the parking lot Morgan was shy at
first she did not want to go but then decided to ask her mom if she could join the other kids yeah I saw it reported
that the mom at first said no I don't want you playing away from us but one of the other mothers said hey it's common
for the kids to go play over there yeah the tricky thing here is the time involved it's awfully late at night it's
going to be dark out yes it was the common play area for the ballpark and these two kids from my
understanding they already knew Morgan it wasn't like they were new to Morgan right so this was a boy named Ty he is
10 years old and an eight-year-old girl named Jessica so I think it also helps when granting permission to go off and
play in a different area that these two children are a little older than your six-year-old daughter yeah and I don't
think this other mother was out of line to say hey kids play there all the time but
baseball games are not played there all the time that late so this area is fairly well lit and Colleen said that
she could see Morgan and the other kids running around from where she sat in the
bleachers now she does admit that she occasionally lost sight of her daughter this play area was approximately 75
yards from where Colleen was sitting but then the game ended now it's right around 10 45 p.m so not too much time
has passed between granting permission to go off and play in the end of this game at the time Ty and Jessica the two
other children ran back up to the bleachers but as Colleen quickly noticed Morgan was not with them when she asked
the youngsters about Morgan they said they last Saw Morgan sitting in the parking lot she was emptying out her
shoes according to the kids emptying out sand from her shoes and after that the two kids lost track of their little
friend Colleen is now on high alert and she starts racing toward the parking lot
given the situation the two kids just described Colleen assumed that Morgan would meet her at the car this is a
Nissan stanza but when she got there to her car there was no sign of Morgan she looked for her in the area asking
everyone if they had seen her but they had not the ballpark was clearing out and there
was no sign of Morgan Colleen got the other parents and even some of the baseball coaches involved in this search
someone with a cell phone offered the phone to Colleen and she called the police
authorities were very quick to respond arriving within six minutes of Colleen's frantic call once on the scene the two
little kids that were playing with Morgan Ty and Jessica told authorities that while they were playing a man that
the two described simply as creepy this man came up to the three children and spoke to them well interesting since
it's 1995 that somebody had a cell phone so that's lucky for them and good for the police to respond as quickly as they
did do we have a report of what El creepo said to these kids we do and we don't and I think we can dive into that
more later when we're looking at the details of this possible suspect but I think what we should talk about here is
why he immediately becomes a suspect so from the general understanding that we have in this situation we have about
300 people at this ballpark and yes it's allowed at times it's busy there's a lot going on these games are
stretching far into the night much later than expected right this man according to these two children
spoke with Morgan remember this this time frame this window of time when this little girl goes missing it's about 15
minutes pretty short right yeah this guy during that time frame speaks to this little girl and the two others right
now the reason why we don't have a 100 confirmation about what he said to the children is because police stated early
on this guy's a suspect and we are holding back the information of what was said to the children by this
man right because we need something to weed out any possible false confessions or false confessors that may come
forward right he becomes an immediate self during the short window he interacts with the three children one of them who
went missing and apparently once it is known that Morgan is missing has disappeared this man is gone too nobody
remembers seeing him or his vehicle after they noticed that Morgan was missing right and I I think a lot of
people would assume that this guy is El creepo is driving around in an El crepo van but but he wasn't so this man is
described as having a short or clipped beard some reports state that it was a half an inch thick he's estimated to be
about 23 to 38 years old about six feet tall 180 pounds slicked back dark hair wearing denim cut off shorts no shirt or
shoes with a hairy chest alright so he has a hairy chest and he's wearing shorts he spoke to the kids in what they
refer to as a hillbilly accent so I'm just assuming that these other two kids are possibly not from around there
because I think this would be kind of a standard local accent because it is Arkansas the two children were
from Alma from the from that area or lived in that area who knows where they could have been born in Alaska for all I
know right so maybe but so maybe it wasn't common in in their local area yeah the the interesting thing here too
Captain is that the two children were not the only ones to see this what we will refer to as quote the creepy man
one female adult witness reported seeing the man as well she apparently also verified the description of the man she
saw speaking to the the kids right she says she only saw him from afar but the important thing is she is providing
authorities with a very similar description of this man later this woman was actually hypnotized
by authorities in Little Rock to see if she could provide any more information unfortunately she could not now we will
continue to revisit This creepy man that was spotted talking to the children Morgan being one of them we will revisit
him as he is the Crux of our case of her disappearance other than the three persons we have already discussed the
two children playing with Morgan and an unnamed woman no one else seems to have remarked about this to investigators and
Morgan's mother never saw this creepy guy correct now nobody else coming forward this could be for any number of
reasons it could be that this is a small town this man is known to locals and not
seen as a threat and is really just a red herring or he could be someone who had a
legitimate reason to be there that night so he didn't trigger any alarm Bells or
it could just be that no one other than our three Witnesses noticed this man at all right the creepy man that we have
discussed is considered a suspect not just because he was seen talking with these three children but also because he
was seen by the woman when Morgan is there and accounted for then just a short time later Morgan is gone and
apparently this man seems to be gone as well well at some point Morgan's mom also saw her playing so we have a window
of 15 minutes now we have oh eyewitness seeing the creepy man we also have probably other sightings from Morgan's
mother seeing Morgan play so you could narrow down this window to probably within a couple minutes of when she was
actually taken a sketch of the man was circulated and a description of a vehicle that the creepy man may have
been driving was also circulated shortly after the Abduction the Charlie project
website States based on reporting at the time that Witnesses at the ball game said the unidentified man may have been
seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a white camper which was about five inches
too small for the truck bed the Camper's windows were covered with curtains the truck had a dull paint job because it
was clearly old likely vintage they estimate between 1968 and 1974 and had a short wheelbase and was possibly damaged
on its right rear end reports that it had Arkansas plates also circulated now it breaks my heart to report that
Morgan she has never been seen or heard from since there are some really important aspects to this abduction that
are key and unfortunately not very helpful to investigators no one saw Morgan leave the ballpark at all no one
saw this little girl leave the ballpark alone or with anyone else she simply was
there and then she wasn't well right and nobody saw her leaving because she was in the camper in the back of that truck
it is usually reported in connection with this case that there were other attempted abductions around the same
time now one in particular reported was that earlier that same day in a laundry mat in Alma
there was a bearded man trying to pull a nine-year-old girl out of the laundromat
and into his truck somebody stepped in intervened in this abduction was stopped red truck uh says
his truck I don't have a description of the truck itself right also on the day Morgan was abducted June 9 1995 there
was another attempted abduction this was reported two from earlier in the day this is in regards to a four-year-old in
Alma the attempted abduction stopped when the girl screamed and was saved by her mother the suspect it's been
reported resembled Nick's abductor the next day June 10th an attempted abduction of a nine-year-old girl is
reported in Fort Smith Fort Smith is just about 15 miles away the girl reported a suspect resembling Nick's
abductor tried to get her to go into the men's restroom with him but she resisted
I do want to throw out a little caveat to everybody listening out there those three attempted abductions those
are legitimate reports that we found I have some suspicions that there were actually only two right and that one of
the the stories of an attempted abduction has kind of changed or you know been molded throughout the years so
it sounds like it's a second report but there are two legitimate at least two of these are absolute legitimate the
third possibly as well it's just important to point out here that we have at least two situations where somebody's
stating somebody that looks like this same guy right possibly could have tried to abduct a
young girl just within 24 hours of Morgan Nick going missing and we'll put the composite drawing on Instagram Facebook
Twitter all that stuff at True Crime garage just a couple weeks later this is on June 26th a gardener claimed he saw
Morgan this is Albert Harvey he's a gardener for state representative Wanda Northcutt he told police Saturday
morning that while clearing brush from behind Mrs northcutt's home he saw a man trying to get into his truck he said the
man had a blonde-headed girl with him and when the man realized Harvey had seen him the man grabbed the child's
wrist and fled into a nearby Thicket he claimed the man matched the description of Morgan Nick's alleged abductor right
police concentrated their search on an area around Mrs northcutt's home Searchers calmed the area on foot
horseback and four-wheeled vehicles they used police dogs and a helicopter this article goes on to say the Nationwide
search for Morgan has produced hundreds of leads but nothing concrete a widely distributed composite sketch of the
suspect shows a white man with salt and pepper hair and a short beard driving a faded red Ford pickup with an
ill-fitting white camper shell police find nothing during this search not even a clue or a lead
then Albert Harvey took a polygraph afterward he said he made the story up he apologized and had no explanation for
Morgan's family yeah that's that's so stupid again that's why we point out that they hold things back
to to weed out the The Crazies the false confessors that come forward this man just wanted to be a part of the story
right and he offers a false lead to police the aggravating thing here for the victims and for the families
is that police efforts are concentrated On this man's bogus story well yeah the time and the effort they spent searching
I mean your your lying [ __ ] princess this is less than three weeks after the abduction this is this is crucial time
here being wasted on a bogus story right it's very crucial and also if his story
is correct it's telling us something it's telling us that this perpetrator kidnapped this girl and that she's still
alive and and that there's you I mean like it's false hope for the investigation
and that the girl is still alive the Fourth of July Baxter Bulletin newspaper ran a story about the TV show America's
Most Wanted which ran a segment on Morgan's case just July 4th of that year right which produced a lot of tips some
coming from other states Texas Washington and Alabama any leads at police were calling hot
were run down and nothing came of the tips in the information provided by tipsters then on July 7 1995 less than a
month after Morgan was abducted a baxter bulletin headline read girls report kidnap attempt third such incident
during last 10 days the article goes on to tell this was a possible abduction attempt in late June in Cotter and won
last week so that would be late June or early July this took place in Mountain Home right the article does not describe
the attempts just saying that the suspect in both cases resembled the composite sketch of the creepy man that
was released after Morgan's Abduction the third attempt stated it's detailed and quite alarming taking
place on July 5th and 6th when two men one described as 20 to 30 years old about six feet tall weighing about 170
pounds with short hair and a black beard wearing a black shirt and black pants now the other man is described as
younger possibly a teenager with blonde hair the younger man was driving an older two-tone brown car with Arkansas
plates with 7-1-1 as the last three digits the two girls were both 11 years old and said the two men tried to pick
them up in a Pebble Creek subdivision the report states that they try to run the girls over when they refuse to go
with the men the girl said they saw the men again the next day after seeing them
the second time they told their parents and the police were notified there was an active man hunt for these
two men however Sheriff Benny Magnus who would have known a good deal more than what we have here to report
stated he did not think these incidents were related to the Morgan Nick case boy
right and let's unpack this a little bit we have several eyewitnesses see possible other abductions and they state
that there's a single individual and they mentioned this truck possibly a red or faded truck
so it wouldn't be that uncommon if the abductions were going to continue that the perpetrator would switch out
his vehicle for a red truck to a faded brown vehicle but now you have another suspect
with that individual and and I think that's where they're they're separating the two well I think
that presents a lot of good questions about the description we're given of this creepy man at the ballpark right how
much do we really know about this guy we don't even know if the vehicle description is describing his vehicle
right you know this guy was seen on foot we don't know if he if he walked to the
ballpark and then left on foot and the other thing too is we don't know if somebody was with him
we don't know if it was a different vehicle completely yeah but we don't have anybody coming forward stating hey
that was my Ford red truck with the camper on it we also don't have anybody coming forward saying I was the man that
spoke to those children Morgan's parents Colleen and John set up residence in the local Firehouse for six
weeks after The Disappearance and eventually Colleen moved to Alma full time to keep searching for her daughter
foreign [Music] cheers you filthy animals make sure you be careful and cheers to the clean
people too yeah not just the animals that don't have thumbs right and uh the clean the clean humans that listen to
the show watch out for the amateurs and cheers and Happy New Years to everybody in 1995 there were two supposed
sightings of Morgan in the company of a man in South Carolina that resulted in a
sketch being circulated that is available on the internet with a partial license plate nothing came of these two
sightings that we know of but then on September 12 1995 three people in a small town in central Arizona say they
saw Morgan Nick three people reported seeing a little girl who looked like Morgan accompanied by a man matching the
description given on the composite drawing driving a late model Ford pickup with Arkansas plates this is in Payson
Arizona hundreds of miles west of where she disappeared police searched the town
but found nothing well this is a scary suspect when you think about it eyewitnesses see a man at the Ballpark
with a truck possibly a camper attached this this guy this individual could be a
nomad yeah and really with all of these stories whether it be a sighting or another possible abduction
I really just wanted to learn more of the details of such because they're really left out of these stories here
and to see if we can find anything that matches up with what we do know about Morgan Nix disappearance and abduction
usually what I find here Captain is when you have that type of situation where it's actually not connected to the case
at all or followed up on and it just really goes nowhere that's why there's a lack of details
because they're not really necessary to this story so one has to wonder is there
truth in any of these other possible connections or even some of the sightings of Morgan Nick but it does
show you the grand scale of this investigation and how everybody out there was aware of this missing girl
right there is a story from May of 1997 and I'm not going to read the entire article
because there are some details as as far as victims name that I don't really want
to get into because again this is another situation that seems like it could be linked but we don't have any
evidence to 100 back that up but I think you'll find this story strange and interesting this comes from May of 1997
in Spyro Oklahoma this is where police were collecting ball game videos looking for
clues in a girl's abduction right okay so yes this is another state away but remember we said earlier that
Alma was only what 13 15 miles from the Oklahoma state border right and this is a town Spiro Spyro however you say it
that will come up in this Morgan Nick investigation time and time again so that's why I find this story to be so
interesting this is a abduction a successful abduction not just an attempted one like we've already
discussed of a four-year-old girl it sounds to me the way that this article reads my first thought was oh [ __ ] this
little girl was abducted from a ballpark just like Morgan Nick it sounds to me like her home was right across the
street from a ballpark right and she may have been abducted just outside of the ballpark or from her home from her
property regardless they were collecting you know Mom and Dad shows up with the video camera to watch their daughter or
their son play sports film everything well we have an abduction that took place if you were
there we want to see your video we want to see what is on that video what did you pick up in the background Vehicles
did you actually videotape unknowing to yourself the the Abduction of this little girl
right or people taking pictures of their kids playing playing games and what evidence is in those photographs yeah
and the reason why I don't want to give out the victim's name here is again we don't know that this is connected it
seems very interesting not far away less than two years after Morgan Nick was abducted right same type of area
maybe same type of ruse used fortunately this little girl was let go she was found hours later on the side of
of the Road apparently I don't know what took place during the course of the time
that she was missing but eventually her captor dropped her off on the side of the road miles away well it's
interesting too because a lot of the attempted abductions were coming were on girls around the age of 10 or 11. so the
other thing here too that I want to point out is I can't say for certain that the this
abduction is solved or unsolved I couldn't find any record of it after this this situation of them finding the
girl and collecting evidence right but we got the victim back and and seems like she's unharmed I'm thinking
of reaching out to her to see what information she can provide you never know because sometimes these things are
most let's face it most child abductions are a a parental issue a custody battle where
a parent takes the kid without the other parent knowing or allowing to happen that could be the case here
but I find this one very interesting now we do know that in Morgan Nick's situation they did the same thing they
were looking for anybody with a video camera with their camera to see if they could find evidence
regarding Morgan Nick's disappearance on those videotapes on those pictures the interesting thing really
the really important thing I think that we have here 300 people at the Ballpark of all that
stuff that was collected we don't have any confirmation of this faded red Ford pickup truck on any of
those videotapes or on anybody's pictures from that night which again I don't know it's not impossible I don't
think that's a as big of a deal it's once you add the camper element this is a truck with a
camper attached to the bed yeah the fact that that is not seen in anything is is
kind of odd but again I don't think these these eyewitnesses were making that up
I because I think there the devil's always in the details and when they say the campers the camper seemed maybe five
inches too short for the bed of the truck that that's detail in October of 1997.
the Baxter bulletin reported that the police had confiscated some items during a September search according to the
affidavit filed in Crawford County Police searched an unnamed man's home and vehicle the man's name was brought
forward to police by another man who says he was friends with this now suspect for about 13 years the suspect
talked to the informant that's his friend or former friend whatever you want to call him about Morgan's
abduction after the informant told police they set up a video surveillance operation where
again the man-made statements about Morgan's abduction this time on videotape police used this videotape to
secure a search warrant during the search of the suspect's vehicle listed as a dark blue
1988 Ford pickup investigators found a glove and a piece of paper both with dark red stains on them which
investigators thought could possibly be blood right inside the man's home they found a pink toothbrush and hair fibers
on a roll of duct tape when they attempted to question the man he gave authorities his lawyer's business card
and they were unable to arrest the man or even question him police are unable to move on from this man until the
results of the test regarding the mentioned items comes back right this would end up taking about a year for the
results and when they come back police are unable to link any of these items to Morgan Nick
Captain this is where things are going to get wonky and that's the best word to describe
this I prefer things to be a little wonky well in 2000 really wonky there you go in 2001 Arkansas authorities
circulated a new sketch a new sketch of the suspect suspected in Morgan Nick's abduction I hate when they do this they
did that with the Delphi murders as well Delphi they did it in Amy mihalovic's case we've seen this actually this is
more common than people understand it to be often I find that it is a much shorter duration
than what is this we're at five six years now right yeah but it could be similar like with the Delphi murders
they actually had a sketch earlier they just didn't release it correct so this is this is what we know because that's
where you really go okay they're making a new sketch maybe they're just updating
the old one no they if you look at the new sketch that is not the same man that is in the first catch uh-huh that's
obvious and they have said so they've said that is the case now what they state in this in 2001
is that Arkansas authorities circulated a new sketch this one based on actual actual witness statements from the
ballpark and this sketch does not really resemble the sketch initially circulated right so
I'm looking at the first sketch or what I think is the first catch thicker beard
looks like thicker hair thicker eyebrows um definitely a different nose a wider nose
and a very distinct um Square jawline right and that's the original from 1995 and then and I
wouldn't say anything from that original drawing looked it doesn't look that creepy
then you go to the new sketch and it's creep City which is a wonderful place to vacation
with your family no it's not a place that you want to go to you can't fly there on any airline that I know of the
bad thing is it's right by Parts Unknown so the thing here that I find weird too
is we don't really know why these children describe this unknown man or potential suspect as a creep right we
don't have any details to back up that statement oh he was creepy because of a b and c no we just have their general
statement of a 10 year old and an eight-year-old saying that he was a creepy man yeah but
again I think if you look at the original sketch from 95 it looks more cartoony to me so I think seeing that
I'd go huh the creep Bells aren't alarming they're not going off but in this new one kind of looks disheveled
kind of looks like it's it's almost like a beard that it's the guy's not trying to grow on a beard he just hasn't shaved
uh maybe possibly receding hairline again slicked hair but it almost like greasy not because they put product in
it or anything but it's just greasier hair and then the eyes to me they look like dead eyes
but what's interesting to me or what I want to know is how we got from this first sketch
that looks nothing like the second sketch yes and that's what I really want to talk about here but but also we have to
on some level re-examine all the possible abductions where people said hey the the guy that I
saw trying to abduct this girl look just like the original sketch well one phrase
that that hit me hard not too long ago and I've repeated it a few times is and I found this during the course of
investigating some of the cases that we've looked into is sometimes we see what we want to see
even if it's subconsciously where when you're later asked what did the man look like well if he didn't look
unlike the suspect or unlike the sketch that was released you might say he looked
like that guy rather than the true statement would be he didn't look unlike that man right
so you ask a very good question how do we get from one composite to what is obviously a different man that is drawn
in in and released to the public in the second composite drama it absolutely drives me insane so I there's some good
information on that regarding in comparison the first sketch to the second one thing that I find interesting too
Captain is the first sketch we have a description of what the man is wearing he's wearing the cut off jean shorts no
shirt they're called Jorts no socks no shoes in the second composite we get no description of what the man is wearing
right originally when Panic set in in the community when Morgan Nick was first abducted within the hours and days of
the Abduction the original thought by the locals was that this had to be some Outsider this had to be some
Maniac some sicko pervert passing through that took Morgan and we don't have to be afraid because he's not a
local he's not here anymore when they release the composite a lot of that thought and fear shifted to that it
could be a local why the description of the vehicle states that possibly had Arkansas plates right then on top of
that when you really start to think about it too the description of the man shirtless with no shoes hairy chest I I
don't know I just don't see some guy driving from states away shirtless and shoeless it just pops into
this ballpark all of a sudden at 10 o'clock at night 10 45 at night and sees the golden opportunity and abducts this
little girl and it works out great for him nobody saw the abduction nobody knows who he is okay but hold on let's
go back to you you don't see a outsider driving to the ballpark go over that why
don't you see that well this would have been off of the highway it's not like he just happened to
happen upon the ballpark and these unattended children and then on top of that what I'm getting at to me shirtless
and shoeless suggests that the man could be local more so than somebody passing through I would agree with you
if there wasn't a freaking camper attached to his truck if that is his truck right correct you are correct sir
and the other thing so I'm saying that makes more sense if that is his truck and we have a camper hey I'm just I'm
I'm relaxing because I'm at home this is my home this guy is a he could be from that state if the license plate suggests
so but I almost feel like that this individual maybe went there not so much to abduct a kid but hey we
can go park at this at this baseball field and we don't have to pay for Campground yeah
and and now that I'm here and I'm just kind of lounging around oh well I am a predator and there's victims
all over the place the other thing I want to point out regarding the first information regarding our suspect that
came out was let's go back to our what the Charlie project website States based on reporting at the time the witness at
the Ballpark game said the unidentified man may have been seen near a red Ford pickup truck with a
white camper which was about five inches too small for the truck bed I'm with you
Captain I like the detailed information there right the Camper's windows were covered with curtains again I like that
maybe he's considered creepy because you don't see these campers all the time maybe they just found the kids found
that to be weird yeah I mean we did a big campaign last year about banning the van maybe it should have been Banning
the the creepy I call them Cowboy campers well yeah I don't wanna how about a band
the creepy camper that'll be a truck with a camper on it here's where I think that the
description gets a little wonky remember we're getting wonky here Willy Wonky the truck
had a doll paint job because it was clearly old likely vintage 1968 to 1974 with a short wheelbase and was possibly
damaged on its right rear end reports that it also had Arkansas plates I'm just pointing out here
Ty is 10 years old the girl is eight years old right we know from the woman's statements that
she said she saw this man but from afar we can assume two things either she's able to provide better
detailed information because she's older wiser more life experiences she's an adult these are two small children
or she's able to provide less detailed information because she's far away from this person
yeah what I'm trying what I'm trying to point out here is right I don't think that the woman is the one
that's we we have a statement from law enforcement saying we like her information that she provided because
it's backing up the information that the children provided us which could be as simple as a vague description of this
man and I saw him talking to those two kids and the two kids later telling police we only spoke to one man and so
that's their their validation for those witness accounts right I don't believe or I have a hard time believing that
this woman from afar saw this man's vehicle or was able to provide a detailed description to down
to the the make of the vehicle potential year of the vehicle I can get if she saw
in the distance mind you it's dark out right if she saw in the distance it has a doll red maybe orange pickup you'd be
able to see the camper you would be able to see the camper that's about the best
description you're going to get from afar in the dark so what I'm getting at is this detailed description I have to
believe comes from the two children I don't think you have to believe that I think it's also very possible when they
interviewed the 300 and some people watching the game that somebody said well I didn't see this El creepo by the
creepy camper but I I did see the truck and and this is what I noticed about the
truck so we can't a hundred percent that's like that's a possibility but we do have
statements saying that these are the only three Witnesses right there that night Witnesses of the man we do know
that police were looking for videotapes and for photographs that would contain any of the information that the
witnesses saw and couldn't find any of that I'm not questioning if the truck is there I'm not questioning that one bit
what I'm stating is I I believe that the description of the vehicle could be coming from the children if that's the
case regardless if it comes from the woman who's afar or the children the description of the vehicle is too
detailed to come from children or to come from a woman who who in her own word says I only saw the man from afar
she never says I saw his truck she never says that I saw him up close we're standing by the truck I find it weird
that a 10 year old or an eight-year-old is saying that this is a late model vehicle cool with a short wheelbase yeah
yeah I get that there's probably damage to the vehicle that a child would recognize that a child would probably
would definitely recognize Arkansas plates the reason why I'm going through this whole Tail Spin here is because
once you change the composite sketch of the suspect now you change a lot of what
very little we and the police know of this abduction or possible suspect you asked a damn good question why do we
even have a change in the composite sketch at all well I'm sure a lot of people were thinking that but the only
evidence the only work that I could see done on the reason why it changed came out in 2018
many years after Morgan Nick was abducted and many years after the composite itself changed
one investigative journalist and you can find these articles on today in fort smith.com Fort Smith as
many already know is not very far from from our location in question right this reporter and some of this information is
backed up by police but not 100 percent not 100 backed up not verbatim not word for word
just a few of the details have been confirmed by police in a statement to which they are kind of apologizing or
saying that there were missteps in the investigation the problem is we're not calling anybody
bad at their job when you're investigating something you are you are following a phantom it ain't
easy to follow the moves of a phantom when you have to piece it all together there will be missteps that's how you
that's how you eliminate the the innocent people from the one guilty person yeah especially in a case like
this I mean it's we have several people in the location but very few eyewitnesses and then we have this very
like you were saying it's very Willy Wonky situation where you have young kids as eyewitnesses now we have this
odd vehicle this truck with a camper that's just odd in general it's it's very Willy Wonky the description changed
according to today in fortsmith.com because it was not based off of the Abduction of Morgan Nick the the
original composite sketch that was put out that contained what this man was wearing and not wearing along with the
vehicle description came about from witnesses to the other attempted abductions that took place police at the
time having no information to go off of they believed that they likely could be connected
and because of whatever this to me also points out the lack of information provided to them from the three
Witnesses at the Ballpark yeah they're going with this because they have nothing else to go on and what they said
was we made the composite of a man that was seen in one of the other abducting abduction attempts showed it to our
three Witnesses at the Ballpark and they said yeah on a scale of one to ten it's
an eight and so that being the only thing and only information that they went off of right they released it to
the public it's a it's in desperation that they do this and they're doing this regardless if
anybody thinks this is an error a mistake or just wrongdoing they did this in desperation because they were trying
to find anything they could to lead them to this little girl and bring her home safely all right so you're saying that
this whole report that he's wearing jords and he has a hairy chest this is not coming from thy Witnesses of the
ballpark this is coming from the the other attempted abductions that's what's confusing here and that's why I question
the the vehicle description I question the clothing description because we know that the man's description has changed
what we do have is police later saying when when they say look we had to do this and this is why we didn't have to
do anything they I mean don't fault them they feel guilty for it they feel bad for it right that didn't happen I'm not
going to fault somebody for for doing what they believe In the Heat of the Moment to be the right thing you
could easily say that these attempted abductions We Believe are linked to Morgan Nix disappearance and what that
perpetrator was wearing at the time was this so the statement that the police gave in 2018
regarding the clothing because that's that's the next question that everybody wants to know well you you changed the
composite but now we're realizing we also have this description of a vehicle we have description of what the suspect
may or may not have been wearing does that change the answer simply put was they had a hard time confirming between
the three Witnesses at the Ballpark exactly what the man was wearing that night so rather than make another
mistake they chose not to include it on the new composite that came out five six years
later I could understand why people would be confused when you see something that looks like
jeans but they're short like shorts it's confusing well again a lot of people don't see Jorts the
problem here is is simply put what we State stated earlier nobody saw Morgan Nick leave the ballpark nobody saw her
leave alone or with somebody else right nobody heard a scream nobody saw a man grab a child and throw the child inside
a vehicle and speed off right but but you had that gone down we would have a better different description from the
two children and from the woman from afar plus we would have other eyewitnesses that would have noticed
something going on right when you have a situation where nobody knows that something wrong is about to happen you
lose some of those details people are not really focusing in or honing in on certain details at the time because
life most of the time is just ordinary this was just an ordinary moment until later they realized that this girl was
missing well I don't think so I think uh I think Mother's intuition I think when
her daughter was saying when Morgan was saying it let me go play and the mom said no we're not going to do that I
don't think it was so much that it was dark she saw other kids playing I think that was Mother's intuition that
something right something's not right and then she got reassurance from somebody else don't worry they play here
all the time and then she let her out of her sights and and but I think that was
some something toner don't don't let your daughter go play the other thing too and this is just a reminder like
we've done in so many other cases Amy mihalovix comes to mind immediately if you suspect someone or suspect
something in regards to someone you know or maybe you only kind of know them right do not
hesitate to provide that information to authorities just because anything given in either composite would cancel out
your suspicion well like like you were saying there was a couple there was at least one abduction where they say there
was a truck but they believed the truck was blue if the eyewitness accounts of the truck with the the camper maybe it
wasn't red maybe it was blue and and but that's the stuff that frustrates me because somebody could be reading the
newspaper let's say in 1995 and says okay well this kid was abducted oh I kind of know this weirdo he has a
he has a red truck or he has a blue truck or whatever color truck he has he has a brown truck with a camper it's too
small for the bed kind of strange but it doesn't match or has Texas plates or you know there's
one thing that's off or a couple things that are off and you go well I'm not going to call him call it in I don't
want to disrupt his life because it can't be him because he's not from Arkansas or any other number of reasons
and the problem is then you learned later on years later that scratch that you really know nothing about the likely
suspect right in 2010 Federal investigators this took place in um November Federal investigators
searched a vacant trailer home in Spyro Oklahoma for DNA evidence in the Morgan Nick case again this is where we hear
that town name again they zeroed in on this trailer because they received a tip they searched the same area again on
December 18th and 19th seven years later in 2017 and a cadaver dog alerted to a well that was found on the property but
nothing was found in the well right but they could be alerting to some remnants of something yeah there was nothing
found in regards to Morgan's case and apparently this tip was from a Narcotics officer who alerted police to the
abandoned home which belonged to a convicted child molester who was in prison at the time of both of the
searches the tip technically didn't pertain specifically to Morgan's case but because the guy was on their suspect
list they searched it right and he may have just been on the suspect list because of
where he was living and that he was convicted child molester [Music] I would like to know what his vehicle
history was back to our creepy guy captain in the cowboy camper with the faded red truck or who knows what he was
doing saw the creepy camper further according to the 2018 investigative reporter looking into the
case this is the one that I feel put out some good information you can call it a
leak you could call it speculation what have you it's thought provoking regarding Morgan Nick's case that I'm
hoping does not dry up this investigative reporter said that the FBI profilers that took a look at the case
concluded early on that the shirtless man seen talking to the kids was not a likely suspect really they thought that
it would be certainly strange for someone shirtless and shoeless to abduct a child in his somewhat ragged
appearance seems to indicate that he was likely a local who lived nearby what they are kind of suggesting here
Captain is maybe this individual didn't belong to that vehicle right to that to that truck right maybe it was somebody
that lived nearby that happened to be passing through on foot or had a reason to be at the ballpark right shirtless
shoeless is awfully casual yeah again I don't find it that casual if you're if your house is in the back of your truck
right but I think what the the FBI profilers are pointing out here is a couple things one we don't know if this
man that was seen that spoke to the children in fact took Morgan right that's just the suspicion two we don't
know if he and the vehicle belong together right three we don't even know if he had a vehicle there with him right
I want to get into some of the details of that night one I question immediately the time frame 10
30 at night who's playing a little league baseball game at 10 30 at night it ends at 10 45. I I'm not gonna lie I
question a little Colleen allowing her six-year-old daughter to go off and play away from her that late at night you're
right but that's a very good question because she questions it herself correct and I I throw no fault at her especially
when you have locals people that you know and trust telling you all the kids go over there and play look it's it's
lit we can see them from here no big deal plus the game's going to be over pretty soon right I think that the where
you would think that the number of people in the ballpark that evening that night would help you in this
investigation you know it gives you more sets of eyes more sets of ears I think in this situation it may have hurt the
investigation I wonder if we have if we have a crowd that's active that's loud that's involved in the game my
understanding is it was a tournament that was going on that day right and that's why they had played so late
because it's probably the championship game and they're trying to get it over with well not only that my understanding
is the game was supposed to the game that they were watching was supposed to start something like two and a half or
three hours earlier than what it actually started and you and I growing up we played in
soccer tournaments uh you probably played in baseball tournaments I was terrible at baseball that's why I like
to watch it I was bad at baseball too but I played in tournaments so now with me you watch
but regarding these tournaments and basketball tournaments so on and so forth we all know that if if the first
game runs long or if there's any kind of slip up in between games it pushes everything back and then if there's
another slip up or another game goes along it pushes everything back right and further and further and especially
in a tournament setting where you need to win or lose to determine who moves on you can't have a tie these games can go
Extra Innings well and you also have people traveling from out of town that's why I was saying that they'll push
things back and and maybe not use their best judgment because I look I just don't think it's safe to have that many
kids and and those that many unknown people in this park you know starting a game at
almost 10 o'clock so I've always wondered about Morgan's case one simple thing that we don't have
anyone that saw her snatched and grabbed and taken away we didn't have anybody hear a scream or a yell there's nobody
that witnessed an altercation between a little girl and creep man right so you have to wonder two things is it possible
that she went willing with this individual it could be that she thought she knew him she knew him he offered
money or a reason to get into the vehicle and she just went quietly and willingly right or did he actually have
to grab her an abductor and take her away and it was just missed because all the eyes are on the baseball game and
there's cheering going on and there's noise and you don't you don't hear a little girl's yell or scream 75 yards
away because everybody next to you is yelling and screaming it's just one of those tricky things where I I could keep
going back to what the sheriff has said time and time again in this case that it's such a simple case and that's
what has made it such a difficult case to investigate she's there one minute and then she's
not there right and we don't know what information we can trust from some of the witnesses especially when
it's compared to these other abductions the one one of those abductions that may
have contributed to the description of this man this is not verified by police I couldn't find a statement them
confirming this but what the statement was from the article that I was reading was that they were putting forth the
idea that one of those abductions was actually a custody dispute right and that later that's what was
that's what prompted police to change the composite sketch of what they later released saying this is from actual
Witnesses from the abduction or from that night at the Ballpark because then they later find out oh the
man that tried to take one of these little girls in one of these situations it was a custody to dispute that's why I
wonder if the the vehicle description that is so detailed if it may have come from someone that
knew that man or saw that vehicle up close and personal or saw it for a longer period of time rather than what
these children at the Ballpark saw yeah it it bothers me like like I said um but if the FBI is look they have the
best profilers they've done profiles on individuals where they they say some of the craziest stuff you know like we
think that the perpetrator's favorite color is orange yeah or he might have a disfigurement or a speech impediment or
he's you know there's all kinds of things that are interesting yeah but but when they're correct and and it's like
this very tiny detail of how the hell did they know that how the hell could they profile for that detail and so for
them to say well look we got no shoes we got no shirt we're thinking this guy is
a local guy again I don't know the ballpark that well so the ballpark from my understanding is now a parking lot I
was trying to look up the ballpark even if I couldn't find pictures from 95 if I
could find something closer to today I could not find anything yeah to get an idea of the layout and the size I really
wanted to know the size of it and what was in the immediate area because some of the ball fields that we played at
growing up some of them were very small containing one one yeah one Diamond one diamond and maybe two others contain 12
or 15. play a lot of baseball I kept wanting to call it a field court was it Court was it Court I was more of a field
guy no because yeah because some places you know when traveling for music and stuff like that I'd see these one
diamond in the middle of town and there was a couple parking spots around it it's almost like people just parked at
their houses and walked to the diamond and then there's a lot of other places that have multiple diamonds and so you
just wonder again because we don't have that information on hand it's hard to get a perspective but again I I just
don't see look I'm no FBI profiler most of the time I'm a giant idiot but I just
don't see that it's that hard for people to think if this individual stopped and
parked there to stay I'm with you the camper that makes sense that why wouldn't they just
throw on some sandals and you know I just can't I just woke up from a nap and I have no shirt on and I got this
hairy man chest and I'm going to show it off the wannabe peacocking the wannabe profiler in me tells me that this ball
field the ballpark whatever you want to call it is probably on the smaller scale
because if the games did in fact get pushed back to the point of two and a half hours to three hours delay right
if they had multiple diamonds you could easily move those games to an open diamond right you see what I mean rather
than rather than just making everybody well I've stopped there for an extra three hours but hold on I played a lot
of softball tournaments and sometimes what happens it's somebody that got into the loser bracket and they just kept
winning and then it became a situation where it's like well we think that this team you know you have to lose two games
and you're out while the team with one loss ends up destroying a bunch of teams getting and facing the team that only
has that has no losses and they have to beat them twice in a row so that might be a reason why somebody got pushed back
so far but I also question how again I people from this town will know and and hopefully we can get some conversation
on the blog about these diamonds and and how many were they and how how were they
connected to the rest of the town and were they buy a lot of residencies I'd like to know that because I think
that could give us a a better uh outlook on this case the other thing too that you have to question is the profilers or
the FBI agents that worked this case early on they unlike us would know exactly what the children
said their conversation was with this man the information that they've been holding on to yeah because again there
could be something very simple in that conversation of oh yeah that's that's my truck well the profilers are the ones
saying that they think it's unlikely now I question a lot of this stuff because we don't have actual agents names to
apply and to attach to these statements of we believe that the man that spoke to
the children the shirtless man is an unlikely suspect but one thing that comes out in some of these articles
Captain is that this was leaked this is not confirmed but it was that the man came up to the children and yelled at
them because they were breaking bottles and he was concerned about broken glass in the area and in the parking lot right
if in fact this is true that's where you have the FBI agents going okay he he has
a reason he has a purpose to speak to these children because of their actions rather than something he's trying to do
therefore we don't think he is a likely suspect there's a chance that the man just doesn't recall speaking to children
that night or spoke to many children that night what I what I do call in a question is why has this man not come
forward just like you pointed out earlier with the very detailed description of that truck if you saw
that description of that truck or heard it immediately and that's your truck you
know that's your truck you it's not there's no question about it right yeah well no and the camper also somewhat
makes some sense as far as like travel baseball goes is because you'd be playing this tournament and you would
you know one of my neighbors has a big camper and they got the big camper to start going to their grandkids sporting
events and they just thought what a great way to go and it will give the family A place that they could hang out
in during during their off times so it makes sense for a lot of the people that were possibly at the ball Diamond that
night to have something like that there is a statement that I found captain that
does offer some hope for this investigation and that comes from Chief Russell white he is the alma PD police
chief back in 2015. he acknowledged that they have a quote lead suspect in the case but not enough
evidence to make an arrest right which that is very hopeful and and again but maybe we can create some kind of
conversation some dialogue as far as the blog goes go to True Crime garage.com if
you have any information about this case even if you think it's very small put it
out there there's a lot of intelligent people that visit the blog and put out information and some theories not not
not that we always agree with them but we I like actually posting the ones that I don't agree with because I think it's
a different Viewpoint out there like I said I think we can create some dialogue hopefully that helps maybe even create a
new lead or a new angle that they could go after this suspect with after receiving more and more invitations to
speak at schools and churches Colleen Nick formed the Morgan Nick Foundation which
is a non-profit headquartered in Alma Colleen said in an interview quote we still don't know where she is or what
happened to her and we absolutely intend to know that our message to Morgan if she ever hears or sees or reads anything
about her own case is that we are coming for you and we are coming with an army of people who have been fighting for you
the Morgan Nick Foundation offers support to families of the missing and acts as a liaison with police in the
media members strive to educate teachers students and communities about safety skills and preventative measures they
can take to ward off possible kidnappers the foundation encourages legislation that protects the rights of children and
enhances law enforcement's ability to find the missing and bring them home all right it's so good to be back in
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Brief Summary

The episode covers the 1995 abduction of Morgan Nick and ongoing investigations into her disappearance.

Key points

The Disappearance of Morgan Nick. Morgan Nick, a six-year-old girl, vanished during a Little League game in 1995.
The Creepy Man. Witnesses describe a suspicious man who interacted with Morgan before her disappearance.
False Leads and Bogus Stories. A gardener's false claim about seeing Morgan leads to wasted police resources.
Morgan's Parents' Search. Colleen and John set up a residence in the local Firehouse for six weeks after their daughter's disappearance.
Sightings of Morgan Nick. In 1995, two supposed sightings of Morgan in South Carolina led to a sketch being circulated.
New Sketch Released. In 2001, Arkansas authorities circulated a new sketch of the suspect in Morgan Nick's abduction.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

You can't give up until you know for sure.

Colleen Nick's determination regarding her missing daughter Morgan.

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Tension

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