Amy Mihaljevic /// Part 2 /// 309 | Forensic Files

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composite sketches the sketches that were made of our suspect in the a Mima holodeck abduction which turns to murder
so we have an interesting situation here in this case and I've seen it from time
to time in some other cases but I want to point out that I find this to be very rare it's very rare that this occurrence
happens so in this case an Amy's case shortly after she is abducted there is a composite sketch that is released to the
public via newspapers and this is kind of the best way to describe this sketch what we would later learn is that early
on when this composite was released this is based off of two separate eyewitness
accounts two of Amy's peers so two children I believe both of them were 11 years old that saw a man approached Amy
and then lead her away initially what they did is they collected all that information from both of these
eyewitnesses and they made one single composite drawing based off of that information later what happens is we
have the FBI releases two composite sketches based on two eyewitnesses of the suspect wanted in the October 27th
disappearance of 10 year old Amy maja Levesque we went through the brief description in yesterday's show but the
suspect was described as thirty to thirty five years old between five foot eight and five foot ten inches tall of
medium build with dark hair possibly curly hair with a bald spot on top in the rear like top rear of the head with
a trace of a beard growth and possibly wearing round glasses and a tan jacket so what we need to point out here
is that we have two young individuals giving this eyewitness account and both of them are not spot-on with each other
right so we have one that says yes wearing glasses another that says no one that says a trace of a beard one that
says wearing a tan jacket so that's why I think they did their due diligence here they could have just rock and
rolled with that one composite drawing that they had from the get-go but I think that would have been irresponsible
yeah but it's not like the Delphi murders we're drawing one and drawing two or are almost completely different
these are pretty similar similar and likeness and and to be honest with you if that's why I think the first one is
just kind of a mash of the the to eyewitness accounts because actually if we want to label these composite sketch
one two and three they're all somewhat similar but to be clear these eye witnesses are not saying this is more
than one man that they saw with Amy that day at the shopping plaza right this is
just two different individuals giving what they believe that they saw from their vantage points on that afternoon
so I think the key thing to do here is to really kind of hone in on the similarities between the three composite
sketches to really hone in on the things that are all the same right because that
to me would point out the truths to these eyewitness accounts where some of these items are speculative one thing I
think you should really hone in it on is the age right so 30 to 35 years of age now of course age is always very hard to
detect especially from 11-year old children that are not they're not up front and
center looking at this guy you know they're a little bit of ways away from Amy when this happens right but I would
guess that they would guess older if the gentleman looked older that they would guess you know I mean like when you're a
kid you you almost think all adults are older than they are yeah yeah I agree with that that but I think the
interesting thought there for me has always been the the one girl Maddie who reports this man that she saw talking to
Amy she makes the assumption that it's Amy's father now Maddie does not know Amy's father she's not saying or ever
has said that was Mark Mahalo Vic that was there that day at the shopping plaza the Amy left with she's never
that's not the story at all what she's saying at the time is the man to me as a child didn't look at a place amy didn't
behave strangely when he walked up to her he spoke to her and then they walked away she just made the assumption that
it must be amy's father but I want to carry that thought and that assumption one step further where we have two
eyewitnesses who say the man was probably between roughly between 30 to 35 years of age well keep in mind
Amy's 10 all right I don't know Mark Mahalo Vic's age but my situation my father's like 25 years older than me so
that would fall into that that range right - he's of the right age to make the assumption that it could be her
father so we're not talking about had any of these kids thought that they saw like you said a much older man or a much
younger man I don't think Matty would have ever made that assumption so I feel like there's a lot of truth and there's
a lot of weight to that thought that this individual is very likely 30 to 35 years of age now amy was missing for
just over 100 days before her body was found this length of time has caused much debate about when Amy was killed
and when she was dumped there in that field now thank God that stranger to child abductions are extremely rare the
ones that ended murder typically ended murder within just a couple of hours - about 48 hours after the abduction but
we must keep in mind that this stranger touch abduction the case of Amy my holodeck is
very much unlike the others that are out there almost all stranger to child abductions
are simply put crimes of opportunity some sicko drives around looking for an opportunity looking for a small victim
that fits whatever criteria that they are looking for probably preferably alone and then the result is either
talking that child into their vehicle or dragging that child into their vehicle none of that happened here now citizens
in the area of where Amy's body was found people who drove that that County Road people who walked jogged lived near
County Road 1181 when her body was found they were adamant the Amy must have been
dumped in that field very recently shortly before she was found their thought is that how could all these
people travel this road or people live in this area and not have seen the body that was just simply 18 feet or so from
the road itself right we do have sheriff's and in detectives and investigators who have said look it
would not have been - it would not have been incredibly hard to see her body but
if you were driving on that road you would have to be looking really in that spot at the right time to see her the
land because the landscape is such that if you do like an overhead look of that day of the that portion of this cases
crime scene you you wonder how the hell was she not located much earlier yeah but I think what they're trying to get
to is the idea that that you would spot something from the road you just wouldn't know what that something was
well Janet Seibold who found her I believe her initial reaction or her initial thought - when she spotted
something in the field was I think she said that she thought it was just like a pile of snow like
there was nothing discernible about it to her immediately but I I would love for Janet Siebel to go further on record
about that day I will say this in her defense from everything I could find she's been extremely traumatized by this
event in her life and I would love to know more in detail of what she was thinking and in every little minut
detail of her thoughts along the way from the time of this thing caught my eye - I move closer and realized it was a
body but you said he also said it's what 50 some miles from the mall yeah 40 8.6
miles according to the FBI's website and I was telling you cuz I was doing some traveling this last weekend it was
frustrating traveling because it was like you have 52 miles to go an hour and 10 minutes you know or normally if
you're on the freeway that you know you got 60 minutes to go it's gonna take you
an hour so it was a little bit longer than you're used to because they're backroads and I would assume you know
that but this is an hour or so away and that really starts making you question yes the calls are coming within a
certain area code but does that mean anything or does that just mean that this murderer lives in that area but
works or works in that area live somewhere else did he know these back roads did he know the location on which
she was dropped that's always been an interesting angle for me you know I said a long time ago when we first covered
this case what was that - two and a half years ago when we spoke to James Renner
it was like five years ago at the time I was working a job where required me to drive all over the state of Ohio so I
got sent to Bay Village a few times for work and the job was such that I would Levi never overnighted anywhere I would
leave from Columbus in the morning do whatever jobs they sent me out on and return to Columbus before the end of the
day so on one of these trips to Bay Village I ended up finishing up quite early and I thought okay well I'm going
to take a roundabout way of getting back to Columbus and my my choice of route was to go from the shopping center to
that County Road right 11 and 81 where her body was found and so I drove that and I'm clocking the miles as I went
through there and it took me 55 minutes to get there which is which based off of
the speed limit is actually faster and traveled than if I would have obeyed the speed limit okay so I think that if you
follow the speed limit it's about a little over an hour hour and six or an hour and ten something like that I
wasn't going incredibly fast but to your point the thing that that really started
to get to me about 35 40 minutes into the drive and I'm not I'm still miles away from the location at this point
I kept thinking man I feel like I've this is a long trip from point A to point B and I don't have anything in my
car that's going to make the trip feel longer I don't have a live victim or a dead victim in my in my vehicle and so I
think you're right there on something and I think that there is a lot of truth and weight to what you've just said
there's got to be some kind of connection or reason to be traveling in this direction now for no reason at all
would we ever think that she went immediately from the shopping center to directly to this area where she was
later found right because we have investigators saying that there is no evidence no evidence whatsoever to
suggest that she was killed in that location so she was assaulted and killed elsewhere could it have been in a van or
a vehicle that's not out of the realm of possibility personally looking at this case as long as I have I've always kind
of believed that the Friday her being abducted on a Friday was is significant right like I said if they worked in that
area you make the call Thursday while you're at work right because the call came in
on Thursday well we don't know for certain when the call came in but it could have come in in Thursday Wednesday
Tuesday Monday right let's come in during the week during work and then Friday gotten heading back to where I'm
where I live and so I'm gonna take her on the way well and think about this I think it's probably working there is not
out of the realm of possibility I think it might be more likely that the person was living or staying somewhere in that
area or at least that would cause them to travel that direction you know what I mean from Bay Village so yeah it also
makes you wonder too because there is this gap from the abduction time to where they find her and that makes me
question and and have always questioned to this person because there was so much
attention in that area did they fill the heat and then did they do they end up moving mm-hmm
that could be very likely but because the problem there is you have these composite sketches out and really what
the police were getting once they release the composite sketch they were getting all kinds of tips they were
getting all kinds of calls the problem with those calls is they're all look-alike calls well why do you think
that so-and-so is a good suspect well he looks like you're drawling oh well what
else well that's it he looks like the sketch that you released and we have police on record saying
when we get these tips we need more than just a name we need we need you know we're getting so many of them right we
need reasons to prioritize certain tips over others we need we need a car description even though there was none
from the eyewitnesses well just they need a color of a car we need but on top of that give us a give us a reason why
other than he looks like the sketch one that's the same with when you look at like the Dior case right everybody that
saw a young blond-haired boy called mhm and and it's like well that's not enough
we need we need you know point one point two point three for us to be able to track down all these leads hmm yeah and
the thing to back to the Friday I think that the Friday her being abducted on a Friday is significant and here's why one
thing we need to focus in on is the abductor chose that day Amy didn't choose that day the abductor chose that
day can you meet me at the shopping center on Friday I'll pick you up then and we can go shopping for a gift for
your mother and I say that that is significant because we have to keep in mind when this person is trying to
convince his victim to meet him somewhere he is designing all this this is all by his design this is all his
modus operandi yeah you wonder if he works a half day on a Friday or if it's easier for him to take a half day
because it it seems like a very odd time she's gonna get there about three o'clock yep she got there approximately
two she was seen with this man around 2:45 yeah and I know the song the lyrics go working 9:00 to 5:00 well I don't
make a living so you would just assume that this you know or do they have a job where they're able to leave for a while
like do they make deliveries or something well I think possibly the reason for the
Friday more so than others could be what he does not have to do or be accounted for after the time of the abduction
right okay so if it is a sexually motivated crime which you and I both believe it to be then that would require
his motivation requires him to not be accounted for after the abduction takes place yeah I mean he can't go back to
work with a giant boner well that no that's not what I mean it's it's somebody was not where they were
supposed to be right well why why could that that does not mean that they simply
put if they're if someone is where they are not where they are supposed to be then that and that's a red flag
immediately makes them a suspect yeah oh you had all these obligations and all this stuff that was going on in boom
this kid is abducted and then nobody hears from you you drop off of the planet for 16 24 72 hours right and if
you don't know how this abduction is gonna go down then if you have to work you know you don't do the abduction on a
Thursday knowing that you have to work on the Friday knowing that if something goes wrong and you show up to work late
you see what I'm saying because we've seen that with several cases where people that have become number one
suspects were showing up to work late the next day or calling off the next day well and then this leads us to what ends
up being a fourth composite sketch drawing of a possible suspect because this is an interesting tip that comes in
there is a woman that called in and said hey I saw somebody standing by a vehicle
around 5:56 p.m. near the spot where Amy's body was found and I saw this individual standing at the rear of their
vehicle with that is was like a hatchback type vehicle with the hatch open and this was
the night before her body was found so this individual is calling in a tip and this kind of goes along with some of the
locals thoughts of well if she was in that field for this for a hundred days we would have seen her well before then
so she couldn't have been she hadn't been placed there shortly before she was found and now this tip comes in saying
look I saw this individual the night before yeah and who was she found by right runner mm-hmm right so you're
gonna tell me that this I'm assuming she's an avid runner well she says she was on her daily early morning job right
she woulda saw her and and that is the most sense well but I want to argue a few different points on this I'm
actually not in agreeance with this with this tip one or with the thought that she was not in that field for a long
period of time because of a couple things one she's found on February 8th okay it's pretty cold in northeastern or
Northeastern Ohio right in January and in February in December so how daily is this daily early morning
jog is this you know she's out jogging on a day that was particularly warm for early February so you know Janet that's
that's again other parts that need to be talked about with Janet Siebold who ultimately found Amy Mahalo vics Parvati
were you out jogging the day before did you jog the whole week before and so on and so forth because I get what they're
saying and I can't agree with some of that but I can also see a situation where she's not found for this amount of
time keep in mind we have that plant growth that would suggest that she had been in that field for a good amount of
time now the composite that goes out of this man seen by the hatchback vehicle the night before her body is found the
woman said that she saw eight five to thirty five-year-old white man about six-foot tall with a thin face and
very thin complexion or very light complexion standing behind a dark blue hatchback car around 6:00 p.m. the hatch
was open and the man had his hands on the car's back bumper so they released a completely different sketch this
individual does not look anything like the first three composite sketches that were released but here's here's the big
but this information does not make its way to investigators for months and months and months after Amy was found so
I don't question what this woman believes that she saw what my first question would be is why do you believe
that you saw this the night before her body was found when asked why she didn't come forward with this information
sooner because I think it was like December so we have what 10 months after the bodies found before she comes
forward mm-hmm when asked why she didn't come forward sooner she simply says I didn't know that this information was
useful there's a chance she she may not have fully known where the body was found until a later date and then said
aha aha daddy I got some information but again the first thing I would want to know from that witness as an
investigator is tell me why you are certain that it was February 7th that you saw this man yeah I have a hard time
with witnesses coming forward so far after the fact well a lot of people can't tell you what they had for dinner
last week so now was there something significant about that day can you pull out your daily planner or your calendar
and say oh oh I had this errand to do and I marked it on my calendar and that's the only time I've ever been on
on route 11 81 and so it must have been February 7th when I saw that individual or was that day your birthday or
something of significance for you to really know and remember remember that it was February 7th so I questioned not
what she believes she saw but I questioned when she may have saw this there's a chance she could have saw this
individual in March or January or what have you and just has the day wrong it's only significant this eyewitness account
if in fact it was shortly before Amy's body was found the other thing I want to point out here too is sunset that time
of year in Ohio is between 5:30 and 5:50 p.m. if she saw this individual around 6:00 p.m. out on a county road it's
gonna be quite dark out there it's gonna be very dark out there I can't speak to
what lights may have been on on this individuals hatchback vehicle but just pointing that out there here's where I
think there is another possibility that the killer the Amy's killer once again gets lucky that there's this bad tip
that comes in very late in the game of an individual that looks nothing like the individual that was spotted that day
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is another instance where the show that you and I love so much mine hunter creeps into another yet another one of
our cases okay and the reason why that happens so often one is our love of the show to more importantly is John Douglas
in Robert K Ressler the two individuals that the main characters are based off of and based off of their careers they
worked and were involved in so many cases now the FBI itself was very involved in Amy's case immediately there
have been some people that have questioned that and thought that maybe that means that there was different
motive for her abduction I want everybody to keep in mind yes the the FBI becomes involved when crimes occur
and cross state lines that happens that didn't happen in this case as far as we know she was likely not only abducted
and dumped in Ohio but likely killed in Ohio as well the thought here though is that you need to keep in mind that the
FBI becomes involved when it's clear that it is a kidnapping case okay where there is abduction involved so the FBI
was involved in this case very quickly and even the local authorities as soon as Margaret mahalo Vick reported Amy as
missing they hit Jump Street right they went right in and said this is an abduction this child is missing this
child didn't run away we were they went looking for her and looking for this man
very quickly so through the course of this with the FBI involvement working with local law enforcement they're
trying to find this individual now this type of incident happens from time to time and I find this fascinating and
very interesting so we have two special agents okay we have special agent john dunn and dick ren all right these two
are working with local authorities on the Amy Mohammed case Robert K Ressler visits Ohio for some type of seminar or
some kind of conference at the American Academy of Forensic Science Sciences and
this was in Cincinnati so when he is in Ohio these other special agents reach out to the great and very knowledgeable
Robert K Ressler and they say hey would you mind taking a look at this case while you're in Ohio and Ressler
actually has ties to the city of Cleveland now when you graduate from the FBI Academy and you go on to work in the
field this is the way John Douglas describes it I find this quite quite funny he says that when he went to go
work in the field the first thing that the FBI asked you they said well what field office would you like to be
stationed at and he says what you do is you tell them the one you don't want to be stationed at because they
automatically will not put you at the one that you choose right they don't give you your top pick yeah so for
whatever reason Ressler did work at the Cleveland field office for the FBI so he's a great guy he says of course I'll
come up there and I will help you guys out I believe he worked with one or both of these agents on some other case
earlier in his career before Ami's abduction so he's doing them a favor he drives up to the area now I want
everybody to keep in mind Ressler is really only involved in this case for a very short window of time a very brief
period of time he's out doing his work at this American Academy of Forensic Sciences and basically drives up to Bay
Village for a weekend now while he is up there one thing that is significant occurs
is the three of these individuals these three FBI agents they put together a profile of the abductor of Amy maja
Levesque now I want you to keep in mind this takes place in January of 1990 so this
is before her body is found Ressler says in his book whoever fights monsters I wanted the police to look for a man in
his late 20s or early 30s who was introverted and a loner relatively unsuccessful in life unmarried not
overly educated but not stupid this would be a man with no military service but with a propensity for spending a lot
of time around kids his smoothness and conning Amy into the car argued for his knowing
something about children and the way their minds work he says I thought it likely that a person who preferred
children's company would not have put himself in a situation such as the military where male bonding is part of
the experience it might just be children of both sexes he was after but it was more likely he sought out only girls in
either case he would be uncomfortable with male and female adults Ressler felt strongly that Amy's abduction was his
first offense because there was no record of any similar abductions in the area and because the abductor had
exposed himself to so much danger by his phone call and by making the abduction in such a public place as the parking
lot where many people could see him Ressler thought that the abductor might have conned Amy into his car
taking her to his home under the pretext of getting money or a greeting card of some such there he would spend time with
her maybe play with her until she became frightened and started to resist at which point he might have been convinced
that he had to kill her wrestler told authorities to keep an eye out for a person who might try to inject himself
into the investigation isn't there some belief that she actually made the call to her mother
while in custody of this murderer well I think that the way that the time line works out that it has to have worked out
that way I think that because she was spotted at 2:45 and then that's the time when we have witnesses saying that she's
leaving the parking lot with this man or leaving the baskin-robbins area with this man right 2:45 well we have Jason
her older brother who says he arrived at home around 3:00 at approximately 3:00 p.m. and he called his mom and said look
Amy's not here according to Margaret Mahalo Vick Amy called after Jason called so that meaning that the call took place
shortly after Jason called Jason called shortly after 3:00 p.m. which of course is 15 minutes after she was last seen at
the Baskin Robbins that's a very troubling thing because if you really break down that time and actually the
shortness of time let's say at the at the end of the extreme I would say you're probably looking at a 3:15 3:20
call from Amy - Margaret Mahalo Vick that means the abductor one has her and - she's not very far away when that call
is placed yeah it also makes me think on the level that that he didn't know the family because there's so much room for
error there I'm gonna let her call her mother and if she does know this person let's say but you know his name is Rick
or Tim or whatever that what if she slips up and says I'm with Rick no and I agree with that I've always kind of
believed that this individual the abductor and the killer somehow knew something about Amy or something about
Amy's family but the - Amy and him didn't know each other by appearance or by the sound of their voices I've always
just kind of felt that in my I got I got some things to base that off of but it's not hardcore proof evidence
of such I've also wondered regarding this phone call okay so during this phone call Margaret says you know hey
Amy sounded rush she wasn't very talkative I almost wonder if you look a me yes she got tricked and she got
fooled into getting into this guy's vehicle and got tricked into meeting this guy at the shopping plaza but we
have to keep in mind our victim is ten years old it's not incredibly difficult to trick a child and that does not
really suggest her level of intelligence and in fact Amy was considered by all to
be very intelligent she just made a mistake what I think happened here is I think she was on to him I think she had
figured out relatively quickly this is not what it was made out to be I don't think I'm going shopping with this guy I
don't know the level that she thought at the time of that phone call of what her
danger level was but I think she was on to something that this is not what it's what what I was told this was going to
be that's not what seems to be happening here and I wonder if at some point she says to the abductor as a threat of a
way of trying to get herself out of his vehicle look my parents are going to be looking for me every day when I get home
from school I call my mom I have to call my mother almost as a threat to him of you're gonna get caught for this or you
know I you need to let me go to which he's just he could just be reacting to that threat and saying all right we need
to buy some more time maybe I let her make that call but I believe her to be under my control so much that I don't
believe that she is going to give a description of me or more importantly like you said if she did know the
individual give his name I think he felt no threat of her giving his name meaning
she didn't know it during that phone call yeah I agree but I also think that there is a possibility
that he did know her and he just felt like the communication with her was good enough and she felt comfortable enough
and they had this ruse of hey call your mom to let her know you're okay cuz I care about you but make sure you
don't tell her you're with me because we're gonna work surprise in her mm-hmm whether with a gift that that she'll
still be playing along and still think that whatever still think that that shopping trip is going to happen yeah I
mean this but there's also the possibility that he has her under 100% control meaning he could have a gun on
her or the threat level is such no but there's no way you know that the mother I think would sense that and maybe I'm
wrong because you was it did say no no you're not but she did say she thought the call was strange that she said they
was short it was short and that she thought that Amy's mannerisms were were odd okay so that that would lead more to
the idea that well let me let me throw this idea at you okay well are too hard well well the crispy kernel is just in
the garage throwing things at the wall to see what sticks let me throw this at you you don't even have to have a gun on
the child let's play out this scenario what if she's detected that something is not right with the situation I've got to
call my mom now think about this presentation what if this offender then goes on a different angle and portrays
himself as some kind of authority figure and says look little girl you've done something that you shouldn't have done
you know better you're not supposed to meet strangers somewhere you know better than that
I'm I'm starting to think that you learned your lesson if you don't you know let's go ahead and make this call
to your mom you don't have to tell her what's going on because you don't want to get in trouble I think you've learned
your lesson let's go ahead and call your mom you tell her that you're fine and I'm gonna take you back to your bike at
the school that's a whole different mind play right there I don't know that he would have
been able to come up with that on the fly but we're also talking about an individual that has spent some time and
probably consider considerate amount of time focusing in on how to trick these young girls and calling different ones
in trying to basically procure themselves a victim of some sort so I I've always really kind of felt that
it's very likely somebody that is a stranger to a me or that doesn't mean that it's he's a stranger completely to
her family I feel that there is a way that this guy knew that he was attracted to Amy I don't think he was just cold
calling numbers and hoping that some girl answers the phone I a hundred percent agree with that yeah I think
that he already knew somehow that he was attracted to Amy and she was somewhat targeted I think the other girls that
receive phone calls were probably targeted as well so I the interesting thing ever worried differ because I
think the amount of calls that were connected were very small right no no we don't differ there all right I feel 100%
the same as you I don't think that for anybody that has said that there were 10 or 20 or 15 or 25 calls whatever number
you want to throw out there there may have been that amount of people that came forward to authorities and said I
received some strange call from some creep I believe that that may be that number of people came forward I just
think that there's probably only one or two calls like the police believe that are in fact believed to be connected to
Amy's situation yeah so I've always felt and I do know that that others feel this
way so this is not like a mind-blowing experience that we're all having here today but I've always felt that if you
could figure out how this individual knew Amy or knew of Amy and had some of her information but she did not know him
that's your connection that's your way of finding this guy because unfortunately
we sit here and this year on October 27th of this year we're going to hit the 30 year anniversary of the day that Amy
mahalo Vic was abducted and I also probably believe that he took her on a Friday I think she she was killed by the
end of the weekend and very likely dumped in that field sometime late Sunday night or early Monday morning I
think that the Friday is significant to him to him not to the victim but to him and he chose that Friday for a reason
for a reason that he didn't have to be accounted for for a good amount of time afterwards and I'm kind of putting that
as a kind of cutoff for this individual on when he decides that he's got to get rid of this problem that he has burdened
himself with so I've always really felt that if you could find the connection on
how he would have had her information or known something about her you could finally trace him because as I as I was
I started down the road and I I started down the road and I sidetracked myself and you swallowed a bug yeah what do i
do what do I do the thing is 30 years later the composite sketches have not worked we've had a lot of tips of people
calling in and saying okay I know somebody that looks like this guy or I know some weirdo that looks like this
guy the items that were not found with her the day that she was found in the field have not solved this crime the
blanket the curtain here we are three years later have not solved this crime if somebody somewhere can figure out how
this individual knew her but she did not know him that might be the first big lead we could get in in many many years
the sad thing about our production our little garage production here today captain is there is so much to cover
with Amy's case yeah like like has y'all on that too huh we didn't get to any suspect well we got
this could have been like a four part or six part er well first of all I want to
tell people we did it well you did an interview it's it's our but one of our best episodes I'm not actually on the
episode but you did it interview in a discussion with James Renner on the Amy Malevich case that was done
in March 22nd of 2016 that's episode 22 you can find that on the stitcher app for free just download the stitcher app
and then on the left hand side you can scroll down the the year so you want to go to 2016 and he'll talk about his
suspects but I mean if he names I'm going off a memory here but he names what three potentials I think you at
told him to give his top three which were not his top three and and the book he wrote about Amy right and so there
like I said there's another two episodes of going through the suspects and and we
will get to that at some point I mean we're not gonna be able because we're at crime Con we're not gonna be able to get
to that next week but maybe in the next month or so we can revisit well in in that episode Renner says that Dean
Runkle is one of those three suspects when I ask him for three and anybody that's seen the Lake Erie murders
documentary knows that that Dean Runkle lead kind of takes up a decent portion of that documentary no it Dean Runkle is
certainly an interesting suspect but in regards to suspects a bit of an issue I had with trying to present suspects here
today is early on in this investigation we have the then police chief of Bay Village say that this is before the
bodies even found he says we have about 20 suspects that look good that look good enough that they warranted further
looking into and they were in the process of looking in to those individuals when Robert K Ressler came
up to the Cleveland area and offered his expertise and helped put together profile that we read today he says that
of the suspects that the police had at that time now this is in January of 1990 he says four or five of them look good
they look good for our profile that we put together so 20 per the Bay Village police chief four or five from Robert K
Ressler now I'm a huge fan of Robert wrestlers I'm a huge fan of all of his books in this book it's a bit
disappointing because he does only there's only about five or six pages that are dedicated to Amy's case where I
find the disappointment is he really honed in on one suspect in particular named Billy screw neck yeah and later
Billy screw neck commits suicide so Billy's not here to this day to defend himself or to tell us that he's guilty
of something for all the good you do to true crime authors promoting books you sure are very opinionated about their
work well I'm I'm a critic of not just the writing but I'm a critic of some of the cases look we're just critical right
well the handling of some of the cases anything wait till your book comes out and I'm not an expert and I'm dumber
than most but here's here's where I'm disappointed is when when he finishes with Amy's case in his book he basically
throws this out there and says I believe that Billy strewn at killed Amy mahalo dick and it will never be solved because
he committed suicide he's dead there's never been any similar crimes in that area ever since and that's he sells it
like it's proof enough for him which is fine and good and again I'm a big fan of
wrestlers big fan of his work big fan of his books but two things that I wish would have happened and you're a real
kiss asked to one I don't think he should have put his stamp on that mark so my and to mind you this profile was
conducted in January of 1990 it was conducted before her body was found I would ask Ressler if he were sitting
here in the garage would you have added or adapted your profile based off of information that was learned from the
crime scene from the dump site and from her body and autopsy would you have amended your profile and if if he says
yes there's chances now that Billy Stearn act doesn't fit so well into that profile and we all know that profiles
don't necessarily solve crimes they simply are a tool that some used to try to kind of shrink down the suspect
pool so to speak so that you know who you should be spotlighting rather than others so there's a lot of homework to
do one listen to our episode amy Malevich episode number 22 and then watch the Lake Erie murders that's a
fascinating document docu-series that was two parts right mmm three three parts yeah because but don't watch the
first one because you're not in the first and that's why you do watch the first one it's the best of his three the
best part was I was watching and I watched it part one and I went well he got cut out he got cut out and well then
then episode two comes in and then your you know your your ugly face hits them screen I mean scared that I literally
[ __ ] my pants and then you were in it a lot in the second one and the third one
but it was put together very well and it kept my attention the whole time so not
only are you encouraging everyone to watch the Lake Erie murders you're encouraging them to have a clean pair of
drawers close by or start off with dirty drawers you know why why dirty more clean drawers well we we joke but I this
this has been a frustrating week for me I thought revisiting Amy's case would be
something that I would look for two because I am so passionate about this case but it all it did for me was
kind of stir up monsters and questions and anger that I've had about this case over the years for the last week this is
a case that we will revisit again at some point as we said we didn't get the suspects yet and there are so many to
talk about I almost like in this case people don't understand how that just the the sheer size of this case because
I liken it to like Delphi West Memphis Three even Jack the Ripper to the point where you get involved in this thing and
unfortunately you realize that there between you know armchair chair sluice and Webb sluice and all the people out
there that have looked into this case and provided some insights or theories and thoughts when you really get in here
you stop start figuring out there are so many suspects to explore and it's just the sheer size of this thing and it
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the abduction and murder of Amy Mahalo Vick, eyewitness accounts, composite sketches, and the FBI's involvement in the investigation.

Key points

Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts introduce the show and thank listeners for their support.
Eyewitness Accounts. Discussion on the composite sketches based on eyewitness accounts of Amy's abduction.
The Significance of Friday. Exploring the implications of Amy's abduction occurring on a Friday.
Eyewitness Account. A witness claims to have seen a man near the scene before the body was found.
FBI Involvement. The FBI quickly gets involved in the case, indicating the seriousness of the abduction.
Profile of the Abductor. Agents create a profile of Amy's abductor, suggesting he was a loner with a history of targeting children.

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