Madeleine McCann /// Part 1 /// 120 | Forensic Files

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[Music] thank you [Music] foreign [Music] three-year-old British girl who's gone
missing in The Algarve area of Portugal and she went missing last night hundreds
of people have been searching for the girl and that search continuing this morning so we will try to get as much on
that as for for you as soon as we can that missing girl in Lutz and we will bring it to you as soon as we get
further detail well they're still hopeful that this is simply a case where a girl has gone
missing left her apartment and maybe asleep on a tree but that said Colin it's quite some time now since she went
Miss was at 10 p.m last night that the little girl Madeleine McCann her parents Jerry and Katie were out for dinner they
got back to their uh their uh self-contained apartment and she wasn't there they do have two other younger
children but uh three-year-old Madeleine was not there a search was uh was started in the Ocean Club resort uh
staff and guests at the resort searched it until 4 30 this morning uh the search
has resumed this morning but as yet nothing this is uh the Ocean Club resort in Playa del Luz in the western Algarve
as you say it's run by the company Mark Warner which is described as a sort of upmarket all-inclusive package holiday
uh these are self-contained Villas it's actually in a small town but it is self-contained uh with with the Cordon
around it so so perhaps she is still within the corner but as I say at some time now since she went missing
presumably mark they'll Mark Warner have a presence out there in the Algarve and
presumably they'll be doing or making sure they've got people if they're not out there already heading that way to
liaise with the police and obviously try and help the family as best they can because of course these first few hours
are absolutely critical in this search aren't they absolutely they are and they are indeed
and and the car the UK foreign office is working with local police local airports
have been informed so the searches is widening but as I say this the uh the manager here who I spoke to says he
still is hopeful that this will be resolved that she will be found soon [Music] anymore on The Disappearance now of
Madeleine McCann the three-year-old girl who went missing while on holiday in Portugal on the line as a local resident
Mark mccarrick who is one of those helping in this search for little Madeleine Mark thanks very much indeed
for speaking to us today it's a dreadful cliche to talk about every parent's worst nightmare but that is precisely
what we're talking about here isn't it yeah I mean that's to be honest I just got this morning and uh and head on the
news but apparently that the child went missing last night so we have had this there's a search been going on since 10
o'clock last night right the way through so obviously now and obviously there's more local residents come out to to lend
a hand how many people are involved Mark what's the area that's been covered what are
people searching well the the covering the the beaches the the pools uh obviously it's it's quite tight around
here so there's a lot of apartment blocks and townhouses and people sitting Gardens uh the response has been
tremendous and the area around luge we're looking at a map of Portugal at the moment
placing it on the southern coast there in the Algarve what kind of area are we talking about there
the child's got missions from The Ocean Club and it's maybe about two minutes from the from the beach uh so as I say
there's a big big Coastline people have walked along there they've had the the dogs out as I said we're just all
keeping our fingers because I've just had a little bit of information from some of the people at the Ocean Club uh
that the parents were actually at the the restaurants the tapas bar which is actually on the complex and the children
were actually in the the apartments or the townhouse by themselves they've actually at the the door to jar so they
kept looking over the place they've been going over checking on everything so I think it's a bit positive that obviously
with the door being up maybe maybe little Maddie's just walked out and obviously Gone Missing
we're just hearing actually mark from the Press Association here in the UK they're telling us a bit more about the
family concerned that Madeleine apparently lives with her parents Gerald the father who's a doctor and Kate
McCann uh the younger siblings as well all from rossly in leicestershire a neighbor there quoted as saying that as
you might expect we're absolutely devastated a really nice family good neighbors as well we see them take their
bikes up and down going for walks it's understood according to neighbors that Madeleine who was due to start at school
in September and what are the local media making of all this Mark how much attention is this getting out there
there's there's people starting to come down now with cameras they haven't actually obviously spoken to any any of
them but I think I think the main concern is obviously all getting out and finding there they haven't actually got
Representatives here from the from Mark Warner just uh just obviously filling the local press in I mean I haven't
really got into that because obviously we're just getting flyers and getting them around the Shops and and walking on
the beaches and the main concern is obviously you're getting out with I'm finding that
[Music] Gerald McCann better known as Jerry met Kate Healy in Glasgow in 1993. they got
married in 1998 both are physicians in May of 2003 they had their first baby Madeline Beth McCann
in February of 2005 they were blessed with twins Sean and Emily and Madeline became a big sister
in 2007 the mccanns were excited to take a vacation with some of their longtime friends to the Algarve region of
Portugal joining the mccanns on this trip were David and Fiona Payne with their two
children and Fiona's mother Diane Webster also on the trip where Matt and Rachel Oldfield and their child the last
family of the group is Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner with their two children a trip consisting of nine adults and
eight children on Thursday May 3rd 2007 the mccanns are enjoying their sixth day of their
week-long vacation at praia Deluge Resort at 10 A.M parents Jerry and Kate McCann Place their daughter Madeline and
her younger twin siblings and the ocean club's kids club while they go for a walk 12 30 PM Kate and Jerry collect
their children from the kids club and went to their apartment to have lunch after lunch they will go to The Ocean
Club swimming pool at 2 29 PM the last photograph of Madeline has taken this is of her at the pool
the camera clock reads 1 29 PM but the McCann family would later say that the clock was off by one hour
at 3 30 PM Jerry and Kate McCann return the children to the kids club at 6 PM Kate McCann gets her kids from
the kids club and takes the children back to the apartment while Jerry goes to an hour-long tennis lesson
around this time the McCann's friends the other seven adults on this trip who would later be known as the top of seven
are having tea at the resorts Cafe according to what we can see on the security cameras the three men of the
group leave the cafe around 6 30 PM the four ladies leave shortly after just after 6 30 PM David Payne goes to
the tennis courts to talk to Jerry McCann Jerry asked David to go check on Kate and the children at the apartment
after the tennis lesson at 7 pm Jerry returns to the apartment and the mccanns put their children to
bed in the front bedroom of the apartment Madeline is in a single bed nearest the
door there is an empty bed against the opposite wall beneath the only window in the room
between the two beds are two travel cots this is where the twins slept the parents kept the window in the
shutter in the bedroom closed and the door to the room almost all the way closed
once the kids had gone to sleep the mccanns get ready to go out to dinner with their friends after a shower and a
change of clothes Jerry and Kate enjoy some wine together 8 35 p.m Jerry and Kate McCann are the
first couple of the group to arrive at the Tapas restaurant which is located at the resort just about 50 meters away
from the McCann's apartment [Music] at 8 55 PM the group has ordered starters when the routine of checking on
the children begins Matt Oldfield goes to check on his own apartment he also tells the pains who are still in
their apartment that the group is waiting for them at the restaurant [Music] 905 pm Jerry McCann returns to the
apartment through the unlocked patio doors to check on the children earlier that week the mccanns had used a
key to go in through the front door next to the children's bedroom but worrying the noise might wake the children they
began using the patio doors the patio doors can only be locked and unlocked from the inside
so on this night they were leaving them unlocked Jerry entered the apartment and sees
that the children's bedroom door which they always left slightly ajar is now open to 45 degrees
thinking this is odd he glances into his own bedroom to see if Madeline has gone
into the parents bed she is not he sees that all three of his children are still asleep right where he and his
wife had left them closing the door again almost all of the way like they had done earlier
Jerry then went to the restroom before leaving the apartment on his way back to the tapas bar and
restaurant this is at 9 08 pm Jerry sees Jeremy Wilkins another guest at the resort
Jerry stops and speaks with him the two men spend several minutes talking shortly after Jane Tanner who
had recently left the Tapas restaurant to check on her own children she walks up the road
she is not seen by Jerry McCann or the gentleman he is speaking with but she says she sees them
after passing the two men she sees a man walking quickly across the road in front
of her the man is walking in a direction leading him away from the McCann apartment and heading toward the outer
road of the resort complex he is carrying what she described as a sleeping girl in pink pajamas
the little girl appears to be limp in his arms the sighting is odd but hardly an
exceptional sighting at a Holiday Resort she then arrives at her apartment everything is fine
so she returns to the Tapas Bar and Restaurant [Music] 9 30 pm it is Kate's turn to get up and
make the next check on her children but instead Matt Oldfield and Russell O'Brien are checking on their children
as well so Matt offers to check on the McCann's kids while he is away from the table
in the McCann's apartment Matt notices the children's bedroom door is open but this means nothing to him
he observes all his quiet and simply glances inside the kid's bedroom seeing the twins in their cot
from his angle he says he does not directly see Madeline or her bed from the doorway
[Music] 10 o'clock P.M Kate goes and checks on the children she enters the apartment through the
unlocked patio doors once back in her apartment she heads towards the children's bedroom before she gets there
the door to the children's bedroom blows shut Kate opens the door inside the room she
quickly noticed the bedroom window is open and the shutter is up she sees the twins the twins are
sleeping in their cots in the middle of the room she looks to her left and she is surprised to see that her
daughter Madeline's bed is empty Kate quickly checks the apartment but she sees no sign of Madeline
she leaves the apartment and runs to the tapas bar the group sees her running up
she's screaming they have taken her [Music] just after 10 pm Rachel Oldfield goes to
Jane Tanner's apartment and tells her Madeline is missing Jane Tanner tells Rachel oh my God
I saw a man carrying a little girl sometime around 10 10 pm Jerry McCann tells Matt Oldfield
to go to the Resort's reception desk and call the police Matt does so and the police are called
10 30 pm the local police arrive on the scene at 11 10 pm detectives arrive having been contacted
by the police the detectives are told there has been a child abduction a very large search is underway for the
missing girl Resort staff members guest of the resort and police are searching the resort the
beach and the surrounding areas they find nothing around 4am the search for Madeleine is
called off [Music] this is true crab garage and this is the case of Madeline McCann
foreign [Music] McCann was called off about 4 4 30 in the morning you know a lot would take
place before then we have the police arriving we have later detectives arriving we have a weird situation
though here in my opinion because we got kind of two things going on if I'm an officer and I'm arriving to the scene
what am I witnessing what am I experiencing well I'm experiencing two things and they're a bit of of opposites
if you ask me first off we have the mccanns and we have their group of friends stating that
Madeline has been abducted and that we need to be looking for her and looking for her abductor at the same time we
have the hotel staff I say hotel I should say Resort I apologize but the resort staff they're saying that we have
a missing girl that she probably wandered off well that that's problem so for for many
different reasons right right okay so what direction am I going to take this who do I trust here do I trust the
mccanns these are well-to-do people they're both Physicians smart people here traveling with their friends their
friends are smart educated people as well yeah foreigners yeah so do I trust these people and believe that we're
looking at an abduction or do I go with the experience of the resort staff telling me that we have a little girl
that's wandered off this has happened before and we know it's happened before because the resort staff has says you
know this this sort of thing happens here uh but we've always managed to find the little boy or little girl that's
gone missing well a couple things so one the McCain's are going on with the theory that no the kid didn't just
wander off because this window was open and it wasn't open before therefore there's some evidence that somebody came
in and possibly abducted her that's what their Theory now I think there was a motive as far as the resort goes to go
hey now chances are nobody broke into the apartment and she just went missing and we're going to find her no big deal
because it's bad for business well it's bad for business and I get what you're saying there but at the same time I
think I think we got they're going off of experience we've experienced this before and this has always been the
resort the the result I'm sorry that somebody's always just wandered off and we've found them later now we said that
there was a search going on this was was quite a big search you had about 60 I believe it was 60 of the resort staff uh
looking for the little girl we also had several of the guests staying at the resort looking for her as well there's
one Resort uh employee that stated you know there were so many people looking for her within this area that you could
stand on one side of the property and hear the people from the other side of the property calling out her name now
after a short period of time we see that the the detectives are called in because
yes we might have an abduction here and this is going to start off with well we need to interview we need to question
the parents and their friends to get a good idea a good sense of what took place that evening that's why we spent
so much time earlier going through that timeline and we'll dive into that a little bit more later but but first off
one thing that that was strange to me is that when when first confronted by the police and detectives uh this is
outside and in an open area of the Resort open air area the um the husband the father Jerry McCann he throws
himself down on the ground and he's obviously very distraught that his daughter is missing but the the
detectives immediately got kind of a weird vibe about what they were witnessing right almost like they
thought he was putting on some kind of act well what made what would further their suspicions is that later when they
were with the mccanns back at the apartment both of them together almost repeated the same display right where
they throw themselves kind of down on their knees they're almost in a in a begging on
it's almost like a Praying motion yeah it is hysteric you know they're the obviously they've lost their daughter
one would expect people to be very upset but again we have seasoned detectives getting an odd feeling about this
Behavior by first the husband and then by both parents the other thing that's odd here is that you know Kate McCain
she claims that the window was open and when the detectives and uh arrive to the
scene that it's there's kind of a misconception uh and this is a very blurry area some detectives have made
statements saying the window was not open when we arrived there right and then that that would lead to a lot of
there's a lot of questions about the window but but the other thing here too though
is that we also have a lot of people now in what is possibly a crime scene correct and so we have a bunch of people
going in and tracking in their Footprints and people put you know touching things and and putting
fingerprints everywhere so this is you know they should have roped this off from the beginning the thing that I've
heard here reported and you're right if the mccanns and their friends are right and and it was an abduction from that
apartment then you're you're exactly right that whole apartment is a crime scene I've heard that there's been 20 or
plus 20 plus people in that apartment that night uh and and I don't know I don't have a full understanding if that
includes investigators and police officers or if that's on in addition to like I said when you have the resorts
stating hey this is probably just a girl that got up on our own and took off that's not you know I think you need to
prepare for the worst and if they would have prepared for the worst they would have blocked off that area they would
have had to give them another room and said look we just gotta shut down this this scene what was another thing that
happened that night Captain we have the the whole group that there is there on vacation together we have we said we
have nine adults and eight children yeah a lot of people call them the tap is seven uh but I I like to use the BBC's
reference they call them the tap is nine that includes all the adults that were on vacation together including the
mccanns as well right so what they did was they had the group sit down and because it is a bit of a convoluted uh
situation of different people getting up at different times to go check on children and check on other people's
children um we have a lot of moving pieces and parts there so they do have the group
sit down and I believe using Madeline's own activity book or some kind of notebook that she had they use that to
kind of write down a general timeline of that evening about who was doing what and when so they could try to maybe
track down and figure out what time the little girl went missing yeah that that was very loose and very rough there
wouldn't they wouldn't actually sit down with law enforcement to actually go over
the details of that night for about seven days again in this case if we want to assume the worst then we're we need
to remove these individuals uh you know again assume the worst remove these individuals question them a little bit
harder that night and separately as well and like you said it what they put together was kind of a rough very
general vague copy of what what had gone down that night and then later we have a
situation where individually their their times are a little skewed from that they they each
one of them has different things to report because they you know witness things separately that evening
um but the problem we have here one thing I found um terribly uh troubling when when we
were researching this case is is the timeline itself not only do we have the varying accounts by the different
individuals in the tap is seven or tap is nine uh if you include the mccanns but we also have depending on what
publication you would read because some of the Publications would get very vague
with them as well they they seem to me like they would round things to eight o'clock or round things to 8 30 rather
than by going going to a minute by a minute account of what actually went down yeah and what's going to happen is
that we have the tap is nine they have a timeline and then the resort has a timeline that is off by about 30 minutes
the other interesting thing here is that UK has a very they have very strict laws
on child neglect and so a lot of people when you look into this case go well why
were these nine adults yeah 50 meters away you know from their children and in these unlocked apartments in a foreign
town so like I stated before the tapest nine would be questioned about a week after the weird thing here for me is
that their stories don't even line up with each other's that well and why I find that weird is because they were
saying that they were taking these turns every 30 minutes well if you're doing something every 30 minutes then you're
checking your your watch a lot more a lot of people now have said well they're on vacation and they're having some
drinks so they're not really checking time and that's why there's some inconsistencies but if you are checking
on your children every 30 minutes then you're probably well more aware of the time we'll get right back to this after
this quick beer break [Music] there's so much to discuss here Captain it would be easy to get off the tracks
and before we get too much into the mccanns and the rest of their group let's go through and talk about some of
the possibilities right because you know we said the search was called off at 4 4
30 a.m that that morning but the search started quickly after that it started the next morning after police were able
to regroup and organize a better search with larger numbers of people searching a larger area bringing in some dogs
setting up roadblocks there was a lot of stuff that happened the following day and that didn't turn up any sign of
Madeline as well unfortunately it took several days before they were Interpol had announced that you know anywhere
traveling outside of the country they were on high alert for a missing girl as well so this quickly became and
Madeleine McCann quickly became probably the most famous missing person in a very
very long time yeah I think somebody I heard somewhere that maybe she was the most uh reproduced photo of of the
decade yeah yeah I read that as well so what are some possibilities of why Madeline had disappeared and let's talk
about this because this situation right we have a missing child so it's easy there's not too many
possibilities when you really look at it in the broad sense of things you have what I think of as three possibilities
and of course each of these they certainly come with their own set of questions right so let's let's start
with the resorts Theory the Resort's theory is that she got up noticed that her parents weren't around and she took
off to look for them right right so Madeline has gone missing because of Madeline like you said she woke up
wandered off and eventually leading to her disappearance and or death right well she's three almost four so I'm not
going to put any responsibility uh you know on her the other thing too is like again the thing that makes a lot of
parents angry is why would you why would you leave your kids uh you know especially when they had this like
daycare that they could have sent them to but that was 15 an hour but maybe you're too cheap so you know we're gonna
take turns look I've heard a lot of rumors that uh people in the UK are a little more Loose as parents uh I I
don't again I I don't think it's acceptable so we're going to go off this Theory but
we have this extensive search and nothing comes up and I think the only possibly that this could still be true
is if somehow she traveled very far and hit water and and died in the water and that that's how they never found her
but to me there's not a lot of evidence that this is this one of these theories is actually uh what happened well and I
I like where you're going with this and I have to agree and I have some of my own reasons to top that off right so I
thought about this a lot if if she woke up and wandered off where would a child go well I think she probably most likely
would go look for her parents or go look for something fun um these two things make sense to me if
she woke up and didn't find her parents in in their bedroom or in the apartment it's certainly conceivable that she left
the apartment looking for them if she would have went out the front door uh one of the directions she could have
gone would have led her right to the main entrance there would have been a receptionist there there would have been
somebody some form of Staff working there she would have been located very quickly well no that's it depends on
which way you go if she went out the front door and she took a right then she's just going off into into the
countryside if she takes a left then yeah she's going to go into the front but there's
no Lobby she doesn't have to pass through a Lobby correct and what I meant by that is if she were to go basically
any other direction other than traveling along the wall of the resort if she left
the front door right that would almost that forces her into the street she's a small child I'm I'm going off of what I
think is likely here I think she would have stayed along that resort area and that would have led her to the main
entrance if she went if in fact she went out the front door or here's this gives
us a good opportunity to actually talk about the layout so first when we're talking about this wall the whole Resort
basically is Walled off but now it's not secure it's not like you need some uh security pass to get into the different
parts of the resort correct and so if we want to think about this so the let's just look at the apartment first
the apartment that they're staying in 5A has an apartment above it but when you look at the front door you have a front
door and then to the right you have a window and that would be the room that Madeline and the twins would be sleeping
in if we go to the back of the apartment we have a sliding glass door that lets you
into apartment now if I'm on that patio there is steps leading down to the street and we have that wall that kind
of secures the the resort premise and then if you're on that patio I will be able to look out
and I see a pool and pass that pole is where the uh the Tapas Club is so when the when the tap is nine are
eating and drinking they can only see the back of the apartments they can only see where the
sliding glass doors were and I tell you what Captain I do have to I might have to disagree with you on
that but I don't think we should get to it that too much at this moment the thing here is you know hold on just be
clear you want to disagree with me that you can see the sliding glass door correct right right yeah no but what I
meant by that is yeah because that's something that people dispute but if you're behind the pole in the Tapas Club
if you were if you were able to see any of the the doors gotcha you'd only be able to see the sliding glass doors what
I'm stating is you could not see any part of the front of the building gotcha so you're I got what you're saying
you're sitting at the restaurant table you look past the pool you're seeing the back part of that entire apartment right
you're seeing the patios the patios the balconies okay so the thing here is we have we have a situation where the the
Tapas group there they've requested this table and this table was poolside and we
we've been told that they requested this table because they wanted to be able to
see their apartments right you know that they intended to sit out each evening and have dinner and drinks together at 8
30 and Reserve this table for their entire group with the thought like we said that they could view or keep an eye
a close eye somewhat on their Apartments yeah and it's it's 50 meters so look it's it's not extreme distance but still
you know the fact that they're leaving doors unlocked and you're in a foreign country it's it's not responsible
parenting so if she wakes up frightened or if she wakes up confused and goes off
looking for people or Mom and Dad regardless it's it's a it's sad to think about you know regardless of anything
happening to her it's sad to think about a small child waking up being confused or frightened and looking for Mom and
Dad and not finding them immediately um you know if no one interfered with her if no if she wandered off and nobody
interfered with her I really think she would have been found found alive the chief investigator here called the
search one of the largest searches for a missing child in Portugal history so this really seems like a very very
unlikely possibility leading us to possibility number two that would be that she was abducted by a stranger
someone unknown to her and unknown to the McCann family this would lead me to some immediate questions I would have
about the second possibility right one would this be a Target or a random abduction two how would the abductor
know that there is a child in the apartment unattended three how would the abductor move in and out of the
apartment undetected or move the child unnoticed um you know he or she is not seen that
we that we know of um what route would that would that make them take well we do have an individual
that was seen carrying a child and four was the abductor a woman a man or was this a group or some kind of organized
uh abduction and like what we stated before on May 3rd they you know the police show up and you have the family
saying our child was abducted and you have the resort saying no she probably just went missing on her own she went
out the door and we'll find her but now that we've done this extensive search the police have no other choice but to
go hey this abduction thing probably makes a lot more more sense and that would lead us to what would probably be
there firstly the sighting of the man carrying the girl this was the sighting done by Jane Tanner one of the the Tapas
group so the remember well let's just go through her story real quick because we
kind of went through the McCain story but her story and we're just going to start from the major point she's at
dinner she's drinking um this is at the point where Jerry has already checked on the kids
he's checked on the kids he's leaving the apartment he goes down to the street he sees a guy that he's played tennis
with he's talking with this individual on the right hand side of the street it's pretty dark and Jerry even says
there's nobody out there's there's no motion nothing so their friend Tanner goes to check on her kids and to check
on I think somebody else's kids she walks down the same street as them on the left hand side they're on the right
hand side now she says I saw them I saw both of them talking now neither one of those
gentlemen Jerry nor the other guy said that they saw her but she passes them on the left hand side and as she
gets she's going around to the front of the apartment and as she's going around to the front apartment before she turns
left to go in front of the apartment she sees a guy carrying a child maybe three
four-year-old girl wearing pink or light pink pajamas and she she doesn't think much about it
and then the guy goes across the street and she goes up to the apartment so that's that's the sighting now
the two individuals uh Jerry and the guy he was talking to about tennis not only
did they not see Tanner but they didn't see this gentleman that she saw so Tanner describes this sighting and
the man as not as being not far from Madeline's bedroom he was heading east away from the front of Apartment 5A the
child in the man's arms he she is wearing a light pink pajamas with floral pattern and cuffs on the legs this is
similar to what Madeline was wearing that night and she described the man as white dark-haired about five foot seven
inches tall 35 to 40 years old he appeared to her to be Southern European or maybe Mediterranean this guy was
wearing gold or beige pants and a dark colored jacket now later an artist impression was made of the man that
Tanner saw this was not released until October of 2007. now in the picture in the artist rendering it it actually
appears that we said a dark colored jacket but according to the artist it appears like it's possibly a dark brown
that's what it looks to me and she said that he did not he he did not look like a tourist to her she thought he was
somebody that was a local this description is what many call the Tanner sighting uh this description like we
said was not released to the media uh for three weeks the drawing was conducted in October 2007 but the
description itself was not released to the media until three weeks into the investigation of course if the child in
the man's arms is in fact Madeline then the course the the direction that he is taking it the the direction he is
traveling is of great importance but in the early days of the investigation the direction in which he was walking was
thought to be extremely important because the man spotted caring the child was heading in the direction of the home
of Robert moratt this is a 33 year old British Portuguese businessman he's living near where the mccanns were
staying so near Apartment 5A and he's a suspect at that time okay so of course here Captain it looks like maybe that's
why the police were not releasing the description of the man because they already have a suspect that somewhat
matches that description traveling in a direction of his home and the tap is uh nine they all made statements saying
that that Robert was seen around the resort uh but also seen around the resort that night yeah the the sighting
was also considered to be very important because it offered investigators a time
frame for the actual abduction itself now the um the thing here though Captain is that the later they identified the
man that was carrying this child this is in October it's not until October of 2013 this Scotland Yard said that a man
on vacation has been identified as the man carrying the child that Tanner saw well on this just to stop you before you
go any further let's just start off with the idea that this happened in 2007 and
now we're talking 2013. the man was the man that they identified was in fact carrying his daughter back to their
apartment that they were staying in the girls pajamas that she was wearing that night matched the description that was
given Scotland Yard took photographs of the man wearing the same clothes to the one that he was wearing that night and
posed about the same way according to Scotland Yard so they believe they've identified the man and he frankly was
just carrying his his daughter back to their room so the sighting itself even though the detectives at the time that
night didn't believe Tanner had seen anything at all we have a situation where she did in
fact see what she said she saw because they identified the man and they rule that he has absolutely nothing to do
with the Abduction of Manny right with which will also point to the fact that we have this guy Robert that uh lives
with his mother and and the Tapas nine said they saw him around and see the first day of the search he was around
and he was helping out with the search and so then it became okay this is our Prime Suspect but there was really no
evidence other than the fact that maybe this guy could have been the guy carrying the kid and it was heading into
the direction of his uh mother's house uh again no evidence and eventually they cleared this gentleman well let's let's
expand on that a bit because you you actually have three members of the group uh that was traveling with the mccanns
that said that they saw morat outside of Apartment 5A and this is shortly after The Disappearance there's also a bunch
of other people that spotted him as well we have an Ocean Club Nanny we have two
guests that we're on vacation we have a barrister and a local woman all these people seeing him his claim is and his
mother backs him up on this he says that he was home all of that night right so this wasn't until May 15th but they did
like you said they did an extensive investigation into this guy his home and cars were searched this included his
computers and phone they drained his uh pool they searched his yard using ground
radar and dogs and they questioned people who knew him um but like the captain said they had
cleared this guy but I wanted to go into how extensive they looked into him the thing here is though you know they
questioned him they questioned people that knew him I want to be clear though they continued to question him years
after they quote unquote cleared him they questioned his wife years after and in fact they question his mother as late
as this year and one of the things that she stated in in some of the things she witnessed that evening was what she
referred to as suspicious activity that she saw that night and the thing here is she I mean she
might be right because that Murat home where they lived was only about 150 yards from Apartment 5A she told the BBC
that she had driven past Apartment 5A that night and had seen a young woman in a plum colored shirt just outside of the
apartment uh she did give this information to the police at the time she also said that she saw a small brown
rental car speeding toward the apartment and she only noticed it because the vehicle was going the wrong way down a
one-way street so Robert was pretty much the number one suspect from the or the first number one suspect correct right
and then we have the like we said we have the Tanner siding you know their friend that saw this guy you know a guy
carrying you know what some people believe was his daughter my problem with that is the direction he was heading in
was away from the apartments what she claims I agree with you and then the other thing that I have a
problem with this too is uh they basically claimed that he was picking up the kid from the child service and and
that's kind of how they figured this all out but again it's six years later and I I I'm not 100 I I hundred I don't
100 believe that this is the gentleman that that that Tanner saw I'm with you because what I kept looking for when
researching this exact sighting here was that all I could ever find was it was Scotland Yard saying that we have
identified this man as being as being who Gene Tanner saw that night I couldn't find any definitive thing where
she's saying yes that was the guy that I saw that night so leave some question there right but we also have a sighting
uh that occurred a little bit later that evening this would be around 10 o'clock
and this is referred to as the Smith sighting right so we have the Tanner siding in about 30 minutes later now
give or take I mean like I said with timeline always go back 10 minutes or forward 10 minutes but about 30 minutes
later um the in the Smith family sees a man in similar outfit carrying a a young female
yes this is Martin and Mary Smith they are on vacation as well uh they're from Ireland I I like this this sighting a
little better I find it a little more maybe a little more credibility here just because there's more than one
person stating the same thing they're saying that at around 10 p.m about 500 yards away from the McCann's apartment
walking away from The Ocean Club toward the beach uh they spotted a man he was carrying a little girl that the Smiths
believed to be about three to four years old the little girl had blonde hair pale
skin wearing light-colored pajamas no socks or shoes or slippers she was barefoot
um The Smiths believed that the man would have been in his mid-30s approximately five foot seven to five
foot nine inches tall with a slim to normal build they reported him as having short brown hair uh this guy was wearing
cream or beige colored pants and they said as well that he did not look like a tourist to them according to the Smiths
he had he seemed uncomfortable carrying the the little girl right in my arm my argument there on not believing that
they identified uh the man that Tanner saw is that if if you carried a three-year-old almost a four-year-old
for over 500 yards so over five five football fields you're going to be pretty uncomfortable
yeah yeah if if it's in fact the same two people and you know we've heard people say that it's not possible the
time doesn't line up no we're talking about 30 to 45 minutes later a guy wearing a similar outfit is carrying a
similar girl with a similar outfit on and it's what were we captain we're now we're 500 guards out yeah
something like that but it's roughly about a quarter mile so you got to make a quarter mile in 30 minutes not that
hard it doesn't seem hard to me um the thing here is we have a composite drawing of this guy uh the description
that was given by The Smiths this was released it's it's called an e-fit it was released by Scotland Yard in 2013.
it's basically a computerized uh uh drawing of what they think they believe so there's two pictures of this guy both
looking somewhat similar and Captain I there's there's so many things that are similar about the two sightings
the one that I'd say is a big thing that you know kind of sticks out in my head as Tanner claims that the gentleman had
a little bit longer hair and and the Smiths Claire clearly state that his hair was not long very short hair
um and the thing here is Captain I I found some I've I thought that the the the man in
the e-fit picture that the Smiths saw it's a vague resemblance but it to me it vaguely resembles Jerry McCann uh
vaguely resembles almost any European male yeah it looks like a lot of people all right so since we're on the Smith
siding let's just go ahead and discuss this a little bit because uh we're kind of jumping back and forth as far as like
you know time frame you know 2007 2013. at some point years after the Smith family uh sees a BBC reporting and they
see uh Jerry McCain carrying one of his Twins and they are convinced the the I believe the gentleman
um and the Smith family was saying 60 to 80 percent sure that the guy I saw that
night now we're talking years later was Jerry McCain now then that threw up these big red
flags right right and I think they're saying that because this is Martin Smith saying this
he's saying it because like the captain said he sees Jerry on TV he sees him hold not only holding his his other
child but he's his head is kind of down his shoulders are kind of up he's almost
in a similar position that he would have seen that man that evening and he's saying wow man when I see him in that
stance when I see him with his head just that certain way this 60 to 80 percent that that's my guy that that's the guy
that I saw walking that night carrying a child right so again when we first start
this whole thing when uh Kate comes out running and saying they abducted her they took you
know they took my daughter right we have the resort saying no no she probably just ran went and left on her own and
we'll find her they don't find her so now we're going with this abduction Theory but there's these little things
that don't keep you know that they're not adding up like you know uh we get this really weird feeling with with
Jerry so we have these these things not quite adding up so now we we're we're kind of
splitting off into two theories one that somebody abducted her or that there was
an accident or or somebody killed her and to cover it up they're claiming that she was
abducted and so when you have the Smith family coming out saying okay now we know who
we saw that night it was Jerry McCain now the problem with that was even the I believe even the Portuguese police told
them hey look based off of the timeline and not just and not just the the tap is
nines theories but based off the resorts timeline and what they saw there is no way that you could have seen Jerry
carrying Madeline that night yeah and that's that's the troubling thing with the investigation when the when the
investigation kicks off they're they're already stumbled by the fact that Madeline could have wandered off and
then they're further stumbled by we have the whole group stating it's an abduction let's look at that and the
third possibility like you said is that this is some kind of cover cover-up something happened to where they had to
cover up the death of their daughter and now we have the and that's why she's missing
the thing here is that was not really did that seem to you like that most of the investigators from the beginning
thought that that was a possibility thought it was the number one possibility no it looked to me like they were
checking the other avenues first all right so here here's where we're at though right so now now we got two
theories right that either she's abducted or that the McCain's had something to do with it and that it's a
cover-up well and therein lies Captain what I would call the the bulk of the story the bulk of this investigation is
the family the mccanns themselves we all know that they've become suspects in in
The Disappearance of their daughter um but the problem here is you know this is a 10 year old case and yeah I know we
cover a lot of 10 15 20 30 year old cases this case is different in the sense that it is like we said she is
probably the most famous Madeleine McCann is probably the most famous missing person maybe in the history of
of you know these types of cases that being said everything has been under a microscope if we went through
everything through the course of this 10-year investigation it would take us a whole season just to talk about
everything that's taken place let's do it starting now what I think the the thing that we need
to hone in on and focus in on and we're going to have to do this on tomorrow's show but what we're going to do is
there's been a lot of theories there's been a lot of speculation there's been a lot of Suspicion around the McCann
family there's a lot of but but every couple months or so we get new leads and we get new evidence I think what we do
is I think we we kind of pour through that evidence and we point out if if this does this point towards a guilty or
not guilty in in our opinions yeah and I think you'll be able to see how weird our brains work when we look at the
evidence so of course the whole world 10 years later still looking for Madeleine
McCann tomorrow Captain you and I will look for for the truth about what happened that night all right everybody
happy Fourth of July and I don't even care where you're from happy Fourth of July get some fireworks out crack open a
couple beers enjoy yourselves barbecue a little bit all right we'll see you guys
tomorrow in the garage that's right be good be careful be kind and don't lift [Music]
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Brief Summary

The episode covers the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal, discussing search efforts and theories about her fate.

Key points

The Disappearance of Madeline McCann. A three-year-old British girl goes missing while on holiday in Portugal, sparking a massive search.
Frantic Search Begins. As the night unfolds, the McCanns and resort staff scramble to find Madeline.
The Odd Behavior of the McCanns. Detectives felt something was off about the McCanns' reactions to their daughter's disappearance.
The Timeline of Events. Conflicting timelines from the McCanns and the resort raise questions about the night Madeline went missing.
The Sighting of a Mysterious Man. Jane Tanner reported seeing a man carrying a child, raising suspicions about an abduction.
Tanner's Sighting Confirmed. Tanner's sighting of a man carrying a child is validated years later by Scotland Yard.

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