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garage and this is the case of meline [Music] McAn is that you [Music] [Music] Mommy
[Music] breaking news for you this morning uh we're just hearing that a search is
underway for a three-year-old British girl who's gone missing in the AL gav area of Portugal and she went missing
last night hundreds of people have been searching for the girl and that search continuing this morning so we will try
to get as much on that was for for you as soon as we can uh that missing girl in Luts and we will bring it to you as
soon as we get further detail well they're still hopeful that this is simply a case where a girl has
gone missing left her apartment uh and maybe asleep on a tree but that said Colin it's quite some time now since she
went miss it was at 10: p.m. last night that the little girl meline mccan her parents Jerry and Katie were out for
dinner they got back to their uh their uh self-contained apartment uh and she wasn't there they do have two other
younger children but 3-year-old meline was not there a search was uh was started in the Ocean Club resort uh
staff and guests at the resort searched it until 4:30 this morning uh the search
has resumed this morning but as yet nothing this is uh the Ocean Club resort in Prior Delo in the western alav as you
say it's run by the company Mark Warner which is described as a sort of up Market all inclusive package holiday uh
uh these are self-contained Villas it's actually in a small town uh but but it is self-contained uh with with with a
cordon around it so so perhaps she is still within the Cordon but as I say it's some time now since she went
missing presumably Mark they'll Mark Warner have a a a presence out there in the algar and presumably they'll be
doing uh or making sure they've got people if they're not out there already heading that way to liaz with the police
and obviously try and help the family as best they can because of course these first few hours are absolutely critical
in this search aren't they absolutely they are they are indeed uh and the Cur the UK foreign office is working with
local police uh local airports have been informed so the search is is widening but as I say this the uh the manager
here who I spoke to says he still is hopeful that this will be resolved uh that she will be found
[Music] soon more on The Disappearance now of meline mccan the three-year-old girl who
went missing while on holiday in Portugal on the line is a local resident Mark mccarrick who is one of those
helping in this search for little meline Mark thanks very much indeed for speaking to us today it's a dreadful
cliche to talk about every parents worst nightmare but that is precisely what we're talking about here isn't it yeah I
mean to be honest I just got up this morning and and uh and heard it on the news uh but apparently the the the child
went missing last night so we have had there there's a search being going on since 10:00 last night right the way
through to obviously now and obviously there's more local residents come out to to to lend a
hand how many people are involved Mark what's the area that's been covered what are people searching well they're
covering the the beaches the the pools uh obviously it's it's it's quite tight around here so there's a lot of
apartment blocks and Tow houses and people sit in gardens uh the response has been
tremendous and the area around lug we're looking at a map of Portugal at moment placing it on the southern coast there
in the alav what kind of area are we talking about there well actually where where're the where the Char's got
missing from the from the Ocean Club and it's it's maybe about 2 minutes from the
from the beach uh so as I say there's a big uh big Coastline people have walked along there they've had the the the dogs
out uh as I say we're just all keeping our fingers CU I've just had a little bit of information from some of the
people at the Ocean Club uh the the parents were actually at the the restaurant the tapers bar which is
actually on the complex and the children were actually in the the apartment or the townhouse by themselves they've
actually had the the door to jar so they they kept looking over the parents have
been going over checking on everything so I think it's a bit positive that obviously with with the door being open
maybe maybe little madd's just walked out and obviously gone missing we're just hearing actually mark
from the Press Association here in the UK uh they're telling us a bit more about the family concerned meline
apparently lives with her parents Gerald the father who's a doctor and Kate mccan
uh the younger siblings um as well Al all from rosley in lestershire a neighbor there quoted as saying that as
you might expect we're absolutely devastated a really nice family good neighbors as well uh we see them take
their bikes up and down going for walks it's understood according to neighbors that meline was due to start at school
in September um what are the local media making of all this Mark how much attention is this getting out there
there's there's people starting to come down now with cameras they haven't actually obviously spoken to any any of
them but I think I think the main concern is obviously all getting out and finding her uh they Haven actually got
Representatives here from the from Mark Warner just uh just obviously fing the local press in but I mean I haven't
really got into that cuz basically we're just getting flyers and getting them around the Shops and and walking on the
beach isn't there the main concern is obviously all getting out and finding [Music]
her [Music] Gerald mccan better known as Jerry met Kate Healey and Glasgow in 1993 they got married in
1998 both are physicians in May of 2003 they had their first baby meline Beth mccan in February of 2005 they were
blessed with twins Shawn and Emily and meline became a big sister in 2007 the MCC were excited to take a vacation with
some of their longtime friends to the Algarve region of Portugal joining the MC on this trip were David and Fiona
Payne with their two children and Fiona's mother Diane Webster also on the trip were Matt and Rachel Oldfield and
their child the last family of the group is Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner with
their two children a trip consisting of nine adults and eight children on Thursday May 3rd 2007 the MCCS are
enjoying their sixth day of their week-long vacation at pra delug Resort at 10:00 a.m. parents Jerry and Kate
mccan Place their daughter meline and her younger twin siblings in the ocean club's kids club while they go for a
walk 12:30 p.m. Kate and Jerry collect their children from the kidss club and went to their apartment to have lunch
after lunch they will go to The Ocean Club swimming pool at 2:29 p.m. the last photograph of meline is taken this is of
her at the pool the camera clock reads 1:29 p.m. but the mccan family would later say that the clock was off by 1
hour at 3:30 p.m. Jerry and Kate mccan return the children to the kids club at 6:00 p.m. Kate mccan gets her
kids from the kids club and takes the children back to the apartment while Jerry goes to an hourlong tennis lesson
around this time the mcan's friends the other seven adults on this trip who would later be known as the top of seven
are having tea at the resorts Cafe according to what we can see on the security cameras the three men of the
group leave the cafe around 6:30 p.m. the four ladies leave shortly after just after 6:30 p.m. David Payne
goes to the tennis courts to talk to Jerry mccan Jerry asked David to go check on Kate and the children at the
apartment after the tennis lesson at 7:00 p.m. Jerry returns to the apartment and the MCS put their children to bed in
the front bedroom of the apartment meline is in a single bed nearest the door there is an empty bed
against the opposite wall beneath the only window in the room between the two beds are two travel CS
this is where the twins slept the parents kept the window in the shutter in the bedroom closed and the
door to the room almost all the way closed once the kids had gone to sleep the MCCS get ready to go out to dinner
with their friends after a shower and a change of clothes Jerry and Kate enjoy some wine
together 8:35 p.m. Jerry and K mccan are the first couple of the group to arrive
at the tapa restaurant which is located at the resort just about 50 m away from the mcc's
[Music] apartment at 8:55 p.m. the group has ordered starters when the routine of
checking on the children begins Matt Oldfield goes to check on his own apartment he also tells the pays who are
still in their apartment that the group is waiting for them them at the restaurant 9:05 p.m. Jerry mccan returns
to the apartment through the unlocked patio doors to check on the children earlier that week the MC had used a key
to go in through the front door next to the children's bedroom but worrying the noise might wake the children they began
using the patio doors the patio doors can only be locked and unlocked from the inside so on this night they were
leaving them unlocked Jerry entered the apartment and seized the children's bedroom door which
they always left slightly a jar is now open to 45° thinking this is odd he glances into
his own bedroom to see if meline has gone into the parents' bed she is not he sees that all three of his children are
still asleep right where he and his wife had left them closing the door again almost all of the way like they had done
earlier Jerry then went to the restroom before leaving the apartment on his way back to the tapa bar and restaurant this
is at 9:08 p.m. Jerry sees Jeremy Wilkins another guest at the resort Jerry stops and speaks with him the two
men spend several minutes talking shortly after Jane Tanner who had recently left the Tapas restaurant to
check on her own children she walks up the road she is not seen by Jerry mccan or the gentleman he is speaking with but
she says she sees them after passing the two men she sees a man walking quickly across the road in
front of her the man is walking in a direction leading him away from the McAn apartment and heading toward the outer
road of the resort complex he is carrying what she described as a sleeping girl in pink
pajamas the little girl appears to be limp in his arms the sighting is odd but hardly an
exceptional sighting at a Holiday Resort she then arrives at her apartment everything is
fine so she returns to the tapis bar in [Music] restaurant 9:30 p.m. it is Kate's turn
to get up and make the next check on her children but instead Matt Oldfield and Russell O'Brien are checking on their
children as well so Matt offers to check on the mcc's kids while he is away from
the table in the mcan's apartment Matt notices the children's bedroom door is open but this means nothing to him he
observes all is quiet and simply glances inside the kids bedroom seeing the twins
in their CT from his angle he says he does not directly see meline or her bed from the
[Music] doorway 10:00 p.m. Kate goes and checks on the children she enters the apartment
through the unlocked patio doors once back in her apartment she heads towards the children's bedroom before she gets
there the door to the children's bedroom blows shut Kate opens the door inside the room
she quickly noticed the bedroom window is open and the shutter is up she sees the twins the twins are sleeping in
their CS in the middle of the room she looks to her left and she is surprised to see that her daughter
mine's bed is empty Kate quickly checks the apartment but she sees no sign of meline she leaves the apartment and runs
to the Tas bar the group sees her running up she's screaming they have taken [Music]
her just after 10: p.m. Rachel Oldfield goes to Jane Tanner's apartment and tells her meline is
missing Jane Tanner tells Rachel oh my God I saw a man carrying a little girl sometime around 10:10 p.m. Jerry
mccan tells Matt Oldfield to go to the resort reception desk and called the police Matt does so and the police are
called 10:30 p.m. the local police arrive on the scene at 11:10 p.m. detectives arrive
having been contacted by the police the detectives are told there has been a child
abduction a very large search is underway for the missing girl Resort staff members guest of the resort and
police are searching the resort the beach and the surrounding areas they find nothing around 4:00 a.m. the search for
meline is called [Music] off this is true crab garage and this is the case of meline
mccan [Music] Captain before the search for meline mccan was called off about 4: 4:30 in
the morning you know a lot would take place before then we have the police arriving we have later detectives
arriving we have a weird situation though here in my opinion because we got kind of two things going on if I'm an
officer and I'm arriving to the scene what am I witnessing what am I experiencing well I'm experiencing two
things and they're a bit of of opposites if you ask me first off we have the MCS
and we have their group of friends stating that meline has been abducted and that we need to be looking for her
and looking for her abductor at the same time we have the hotel staff I say hotel
I should say Resort I apologize but the resort staff they're saying that we have
a missing girl that she probably wandered off well that that's problems though for
for for many different reasons right right okay so what direction am I going to take this who do I trust here do I
trust the MC these are well-to-do people they're both Physicians smart people here traveling with their friends their
friends are smart educated people as well yeah foreigners yeah so do I trust these people and believe that we're
looking at an abduction or do I go with the experience of the resort staff telling me that we have a little girl
that's wandered off this has happened before and we know it's happened before because the resort staff has says you
know this this sort of thing happens here uh but we've always managed to find the little boy or little girl that's
gone missing well a couple things so one the mccains are going on with the theory
that no the kid didn't just wander off because this window was open and it wasn't open before therefore there's
some evidence that somebody came in and possibly abducted her that's their Theory now I think there was a motive as
far as the resort goes to go hey no chances are nobody broke into the apartment and she just went missing and
we're going to find her no big deal because because it's bad for business well it's bad for business and I get
what you're saying there but at the same time I think I think we got they're going off of experience we've
experienced this before and this has always been the resort the the the result I'm sorry that somebody's always
just wandered off and we found them later now we said that there was a search going on this was was quite a big
search you had about 60 I believe it was 60 of the resort staff uh looking for the little girl we also had several of
the guest staying at the resort looking for her as well there's one Resort uh employee that stated you know there were
so many people looking for her within this area that you could stand on one side of the property and hear the people
from the other side of the property calling out her name now after a short period of time we see that the the
detectives are called in because yes we might have an abduction here and this is
going to start off with well we need to interview we need to question the parents and their friends to get a good
idea a good sense of what took place that evening that's why we spent so much time earlier going through that timeline
and we'll dive into that a little bit more later but but first off one thing that that was strange to me is that when
when first confronted by the police and detectives uh this is outside in in an open area of the Resort open air area
the um the husband the father Jerry mccan he throws himself down on the ground and he's obviously very
distraught that his daughter is missing but the the detectives immediately got kind of a weird vibe about what they
were witnessing right almost like they thought he was putting on some kind of act well what made what would further
their suspicions is that later when they were with the MCCS back at the apartment
both of them together almost repeated the same display right where they throw themselves kind of down on their knees
they're almost in a in a begging un almost like a Praying motion yeah is hysteric you know they're obviously
they've lost their daughter one would expect people to be very upset but again we have seasoned detectives getting an
odd feeling about this Behavior by first the husband and then by both parents the
other thing that's odd here is that you know Kate McCain she claims that the window was open when the detectives and
uh arrive to the scene the it's there's kind of a misconception uh and this is a
very blurry area some detectives have made statements saying the window was not open when we arrived there right and
then that that would lead to a lot of there's a lot of questions about the window but but the other thing here too
though is that we also have a lot of people now in what is possibly a crime scene correct and so we have a bunch of
people going in and tracking in their Footprints and people put you know touching things and and and putting
fingerprints everywhere so this is you know they should have roped this off from the beginning the thing that I've
heard here reported and you're right if the MCCS and their friends are right and
and it was an abduction from that apartment then you're you're exactly right that whole apartment is a crime
scene I've heard that there's been 20 or plus 20 plus people in that apartment that night uh and and I don't know I
don't have a full understanding if that includes investigators and police officers or if that's on an addition to
like I said when you have the resorts stating hey this is probably just a girl that got up on her own and took
off that's not you know I think you need to prepare for the worst MH and if they
would have prepared for the worst they would have blocked off that area they would have had to give them another room
and said look we just got to shut down this this scene what was another thing that happened that night Captain we have
the the whole group that there is there on vacation together we have we said we have nine adults and eight children yeah
a lot of people call them the tapis seven uh but I I like to use the BBC's reference they call him the tapis 9 that
includes all the adults that were on vacation together including the MC's as well right so what they did was they had
the group sit down and because it is a bit of a convoluted uh situation of different people getting up at different
times to go check on children and check on other people's children um we have a lot of moving pieces and parts there so
they do have the group sit down and I believe using mine's own activity book or some kind of notebook that she had
they used that to kind of write down a general timeline of that evening about who was doing what and when so they
could try to maybe track down and figure out what time the little girl went missing yeah that that was very loose
and very rough they wouldn't they wouldn't actually sit down with law enforcement to actually go over the
details of that night for about 7 Days mhm and again in this case if we want to assume the worst then we we need to
remove these individuals uh you know again assume the worst remove these individuals question them a little
bit harder that night and separately as well MH and like you said it what they put together was kind of a rough very
general vague copy of what what had gone down that night and then later we have a
situation where individually their their times are a little skewed from that they they each
one of them has different things to report because they you know witness things separately that evening um but
the problem we have here one thing I found um terribly uh troubling when when we were researching this case is is the
timeline itself not only do we have the varying accounts by the different in individuals in the tapa 7 or Tapas 9 uh
if you include the MC but we also have depending on what publication you would read because some of the Publications
would get very vague with them as well they they seem to me like they would round things to 8:00 or round things to
8:30 rather than by going going to a minute by a minute account of what actually went down yeah and what's going
to happen is that we have the tap is 9 they have a timeline and then the resort has a timeline that is off by about 30
minutes the other interesting thing here is that UK has a very they have very strict laws on child neglect and so a
lot of people when you look into this case go well why were these nine adults uh 50 m away you know from their
children and in these unlocked apartments in a foreign town so like I stated before the tapis 9 would be
questioned about a week after the weird thing here for me is that their stories don't even line up with each others that
well and why I find that weird is cuz they were saying that they were taking these turns every 30 minutes well if
you're doing something every 30 minutes then you're checking your your watch a lot more mhm uh a lot of people now have
said well they're on vacation and they're having some drinks so they're not really checking time and that's why
there's some inconsistencies but if you are checking on your children every 30 minutes then you're probably well more
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it would be easy to get off the tracks and before we get too much into the MCCS and the rest of their group let's go
through and talk about some of the possibilities right because you know we said the search was called off at 4:
4:30 a.m. that that morning but the search started quickly after that it started the next morning after police
were able to regroup and organize a better search with larger numbers of people searching a larger area bringing
in some dogs setting up roadblocks there was a lot of stuff that happened the following day and that didn't turn up
any sign of meline as well unfortunately it took several days before they were interpole had announced that you know
anywhere traveling outside of the country they were on high alert for a missing girl as well so this quickly
became and meline mccan quickly became probably the most famous missing person in a very very long time yeah I think
somebody I heard somewhere that maybe she was the most uh reproduced photo of of the decade yeah yeah I read that as
well so what are some possibilities of why meline had disappeared and let's talk about this because this situation
right we have a missing child so it's easy there there's not too many possibilities when you really look at it
in the broad sense of things you have what I think of is three possibilities and of course each of these they
certainly come with their own set of questions right so let's let's start with the resorts Theory the resorts
theory is that she got up noticed that her parents weren't around and she took off to look for them right right so
meline has gone missing because of meline like you said she woke up wandered off and eventually leading to
her disappearance and or death right well she's three almost four so I'm not going to put any
responsibility uh you know on her the other thing too is like again the thing that makes a lot of parents angry is why
would you why would you leave your kids uh you know especially when they had this like daycare that they could sent
them to but that was $15 an hour but maybe you're too cheap so you know we're going to take turns look I've heard a
lot of rumors that uh people in the UK are a little more Loose as parents uh I I don't again I I don't think it's
acceptable so we're going to go off this Theory but we have this extensive search
and nothing comes up and I think the only possibility that this could still be true is if somehow she traveled very
far and hit water and and died in the water and they that's how they never found her but to me there's not a lot of
evidence that this is this one of these theories is actually uh what happened well and I I like where you're going
with this and I have to agree and I have some of my own reasons to top that off right so I thought about this a lot if
if she woke up and wondered off where would a child go well I think she probably most likely would go look for
her parents or go look for something fun um these two things make sense to me if
she woke up and didn't find her parents in in their bedroom or in the apartment it's certainly conceivable that she left
the apartment looking for them M if she would have went out the front door uh one of the directions she could have
gone would have led her right to the main entrance there would have been a receptionist there um there would have
been somebody some form of Staff working there she would have been located very quickly well no that depend it depends
on which way you go if she went out the front door and she took a right then she's just going off into into the
countryside if she takes a left then yeah she's going to go into the front but there's no Lobby she doesn't have to
pass through a Lobby correct and what I meant by that is if she were to go basically any other direction other than
traveling along the wall of the resort if she left the front door right that would almost that forces her into the
street she's a small child I'm I'm going off of what I think is likely here I think she would have stayed along that
resort area and that would have led her to the main entrance if she went if in fact she went out the front door well
here's a this gives us a good opportunity to actually talk about the layout so first when we're talking about
this wall the whole Resort basically is Walled off but now it's not secure it's not like you need some uh security pass
to get into the different parts of the resort correct and so if we want to think about this so the let's just look
at the apartment first the apartment that they're staying in 5A uh has apartment above it but when you look at
the front door you have a front door and then to the right you have a window and
that would be the room that meline and the twins would be sleeping in if we go to the back of the apartment we have a
sliding glass door that lets you into the apartment now if I'm on that patio there is steps leading down to the
street and we have that wall that kind of secures the the the resort premise and then if you're on that patio I will
be able to look out and I see a pool and past that pool is where the uh tapis Club is so when the when the tapis nine
are eating and drinking they can only see the back of the apartments they can only see where the sliding glass doors
were mhm and I tell you what Captain I do have to I might have to disagree with you on that but I don't think we should
get to it that too much at this moment the thing here is you know wait hold on just be clear you want to disagree with
me that you can see the sliding glass door correct right right no but what I meant by that is yeah cuz that's
something that people dispute but if you're behind the pool in the tapis club if you were if you were able to see any
of the the doors got you'd only be able to see the sliding glass doors what I'm stating is you can not see any part of
the front of the building gotcha so you're I got what you're saying you're sitting at the restaurant table you look
past the pool you're seeing the back part of that entire apartment building you're seeing the patios the patios the
balconies okay so the thing here is we have we have a situation where the the Tapas group they they've requested this
table and this table was poolside and we've been told that they requested this table because they wanted to be able to
see their apartments right you know that they intended to sit out each evening and have dinner and drinks together at
8:30 and Reserve this table for their entire group with the thought like we said that they could view or keep an eye
a close eye somewhat on their Apartments yeah and it's it's 50 m so look it's it's not extreme distance but still you
know the fact that they're leaving doors unlocked and you're in a foreign country
that's it's not responsible parenting so if she wakes up frightened or if she wakes up confused and goes off looking
for people or Mom and Dad regardless it's it's a it's sad to think about you know regardless of anything happening to
her it's sad to think about a small child waking up being confused or frightened and looking for Mom and Dad
and not finding them immediately um you know if no one interfered with her if no
if she wandered off and nobody interfered with her I really think she would have been found found alive uh the
chief investigator here called the search one of the largest searches for a missing child in Portugal history um so
this really seems like like a very very unlikely possibility leading us to possibility number two that would be
that she was abducted by a stranger someone unknown to her and unknown to the McAn family this would lead me to
some immediate questions I would have about this second possibility right one would this be a Target or a random
abduction two how would the abductor know that there is a child in the apartment unattended mhm three how would
the abductor move in and out of the apartment undetected or move the child unnoticed um you know he or she is not
seen that we that we know of um what route would that would that make them take well we do have an individual that
was seen carrying a child mhm and four was the abductor a woman a man or was this a group or some kind of organized
uh abduction and like what we stated before on May 3rd they you know the police show up and you
have the family saying our child was abducted and you have the resort saying no she probably just went missing on her
own she went out the door and we find her but now that we've done this extensive search the police have no
other choice but to go hey this abduction thing probably makes a lot more sense mhm and that would lead us to
what would probably be there firstly the sighting of the man carrying the girl this was the sighting done by Jane tan
uh one of the the tapis group mhm so the remember well let's just go through her
story real quick cuz we kind of went through the McCain's story but her story and we're just going to start from the
major point she's at dinner she's drinking um this is at the point where Jerry has already checked on the kids
he's checked on the kids he's leaving the apartment he goes down to the street he sees a guy that he's played tennis
with he's talking with with this individual on the right hand side of the street it's pretty dark and Jerry even
says there's nobody out there's there's no motion nothing so their friend Tanner
goes to check on her kids and to check on I think somebody else's kids she walks down the same street as them on
the left hand side they're on the right hand side now she says I saw them I saw both of them talking now neither one of
those gentlemen Jerry nor the other guy said that they saw her but she passes them on the left- hand side and as she
gets uh she's going around to the front of the apartment and as she's going around to the front of the apartment
before she turns left to go in front of the apartment she sees a guy carrying a child maybe 3 four year-old girl wearing
pink or light pink pajamas mhm and she she doesn't think much about it and then the guy goes across the street and she
goes up to the apartment so that's that's the sighting now the two two individuals uh Jerry and the guy he was
talking to about tennis not only did they not see Tanner but they didn't see this gentleman that she saw mhm so
Tanner describes this sighting and the man as not as being not far from mine's bedroom he was heading east away from
the front of Apartment 5A the child in the man's arms he she is wearing a light pink pajamas with floral pattern and
cuffs on the legs this is similar to what meline was wearing that night and she described the man as white
darkhaired about 5' 7 in tall 35 to 40 years old he appeared to her to be Southern European or maybe Mediterranean
this guy was wearing gold or beige pants and a dark color jacket now later an artist impression was made of the man
that that Tanner saw this was not released until October of 2007 now in the picture in the artist rendering it
it actually appears that we said a dark color jacket but according to the artist
it appears like it's possibly a dark brown that's what it looks to me um and she said that he did not he he did not
look like a tourist to her she thought he was somebody that was local um this description is what many call the Tanner
sighting uh this description like we said was not released to the media uh for 3 weeks the drawing was conducted in
October 2007 but the description itself was not released to the media until 3 weeks into the investigation of course
if the child in the man's arms is in fact meline then the course the the direction that he is taking the the
direction he is traveling is of great importance but in the early days of the investigation the direction in which he
was walking was thought to be extremely important because the man spotted carrying the child was heading in the
direction of the home of Robert morat this is a 33-year-old British Portuguese businessman uh he's living near where
the MCCS were staying so near Apartment 5A and he's a suspect at that time okay so of course here Captain it looks like
maybe that's why the police were not releasing the description of the man because they already have a suspect
that somewhat matches that description traveling in a direction of his home and the and the tap is nine they all made
statements saying that that Robert was seen around the resort uh but also seen around the resort that night yeah the
the sighting was also considered to be very important because it offered investigators a time frame for the
actual abduction itself now the um the thing here though Captain is that the late L they identify the man that was
carrying this child uh this is in October it's not until October of 2013 that Scotland Yard said that a man
on vacation has been identified as the man carrying the child that Tanner saw well and just just to stop you before
you go any further let's just start off with the idea that this happened in 2007
and now we're talking 2013 mhm the man was the man that they identified was in fact carrying his daughter back to their
apartment that they were staying in the girl's pajamas that she was wearing that
night matched the description that was given Scotland Yard took photographs of the man wearing the same clothes to the
one that he was wearing that night and posed about the same way according to Scotland Yard so they believe they've
identified the man and he frankly was just carrying his his daughter back to their room so the sighting itself even
though the detectives at the time that night didn't believe Tanner had seen anything at all we have a situation
where she did in fact see what she said she saw because they identified the man and they rule that he has absolutely
nothing to do with the Abduction of Maddie right with which will also point to the fact that we have this guy Robert
that uh lives with his mother and and the tabis N said they saw him around and see the first day of the search he was
around and he was helping out with the search and so then it became okay this is our Prime Suspect but there was
really no evidence other than the fact that maybe this guy could have been the guy carrying the kid and it was heading
into the direction of his uh mother's house uh again no evidence and eventually they cleared this gentleman
well let's let's expand on that a bit because you you actually have three members of the group uh that was
traveling with the MCC that said that they saw morat outside of Apartment 5 and this is shortly after The
Disappearance there's also a bunch of other people that spotted him as well we have an Ocean Club Nanny we have two
guests that were on vacation we have a barrister and a local woman all these people seeing him uh his claim is and
his mother backs him up on this he says that he was home all of that night right
so this wasn't until May 15th but they did like you said they did an extensive investigation into this guy uh his home
and cars were searched this included his computers and phone they drained his uh
pool they searched his yard using ground raidar and dogs and they questioned people who knew him um but like the
captain said they had cleared this guy but I wanted to go into how extensive they looked into him the thing here is
though you know they question him they question people that knew him I want to be clear though they continued to
question him years after they quote unquote cleared him um they questioned his wife years after and in fact they
question his mother as late as this year and one of the things that she stated in
in some of the things she witnessed that evening was what she referred to as suspicious activity that she saw that
night and the thing here is she I mean she might be right because that morat home where they lived was only about 150
yard from Apartment 5 a MH she told the BBC that she had driven past Apartment 5A
that night and had seen a young woman in a plum colored shirt just outside of the
apartment uh she did give this information to police at the time um she also said that she saw a small brown
rental car speeding toward the apartment and she only noticed it because the vehicle was going the wrong way down a
oneway street so Robert was pretty much the number one suspect from or the first
number one suspect aspect correct right and then we have the like we said we have the Tanner sighting you know their
friend that saw this guy you know a guy carrying you know what some people believe was his daughter my problem with
that is the direction he was heading in was away from the apartments what she claims I agree with
you and then the other thing that I have a problem with this too is uh they basically claimed that he was picking up
the kid from the child service and and that's kind of how they figured this all out but in it's 6 years later and I I'm
not 100% I I 100 I don't 100% believe that this is the gentleman that that that Tanner saw I'm with you because
what I kept looking for when researching this exact sighting here was that all I
could ever find was it was Scotland Yard saying that we have identified this man
as being as being who Jean Tanner saw that night I couldn't find any definitive thing where she's saying yes
that was the guy that I saw that night so leave some question there right but we also have a sighting uh that occurred
a little bit later that evening this would be around 10:00 and this is referred to as the Smith sighting right
so we have the Tanner sighting and about 30 minutes later now give or take I mean
like I said with timeline always go back 10 minutes or forward 10 minutes but about 30 minutes later
um the family sees a man in similar outfit carrying a a young female yes this is Martin and Mary Smith they are
on vacation as well uh they're from Ireland I I like this this sighting a little better I find it a little more
maybe a little more credibility here just because there's more than one person stating the same thing they're
saying that at around 10 p.m. about 500 yard away from the mcan's apartment walking away from the Ocean Club toward
the beach uh they spotted a man he was carrying a little girl that the Smiths believed to be about 3 to 4 years old
the little girl had blond hair pale skin wearing light colored pajamas no socks or shoes or slippers she was barefoot um
The Smiths believed that the man would have been in his mid-30s approximately 5' 7 to 5'9 in tall with a slim to
normal build they reported him as having short brown hair uh this I was wearing cream or beige colored pants and they
said as well that he did not look like a tourist to them according to the Smiths
he had he seemed uncomfortable carrying the the little girl right and my my argument there on not believing that
they identified uh the man that Tanner saw is that if if you carried a three-year-old almost a four-year-old
for over 500 yards so over five five football fields you're going to be pretty uncomfortable yeah yeah if it if it's in
fact the same two people and you know we've heard people say that it's not possible the time doesn't line up no
we're talking about 30 to 45 minutes later a guy wearing a similar outfit is carrying a similar girl with the similar
outfit on and it's what were we captain we're now we're 500 guards out yeah something like that but it it's
roughly about a quarter mile so you got to make a quar Mile in 30 minutes not that hard to doesn't seem hard to me um
the thing here is we have a a composite drawing of this guy uh the description that was given by The Smiths this was
released it's it's called an EIT it was released by Scotland Yard in 2013 it's basically a uh computerized uh U drawing
of what they think they believe so there's two pictures of this guy both looking somewhat similar and Captain I
there's there's so many things that are similar about the two sightings the one that I'd say is a a big thing that you
know kind of sticks out in my head is Tanner claims that the gentleman had a little bit longer hair and and the
Smiths clear clearly state that his hair was not long very short hair um and the
thing here is Captain I I found some if I thought that the the the man in the EIT picture that the Smiths saw
it's a vague resemblance but it to me it vaguely resembles Jerry mccan um vaguely
resembles almost any European male it yeah it looks like a lot of people all right so since we're on the Smith
sighting let's just go ahead and discuss this a little bit because uh we're we're
kind of jumping back and forth as far as like you know time frame you know 2007 2013 at some point years after the Smith
Smith family uh sees a BBC reporting and they see uh Jerry McCain carrying one of
his twins M and they are convinced the the I believe the gentleman um and the Smith family was saying 60 to 80% sure
that the guy I saw that night now we're talking years later was Jerry McCain now then that threw up these big
red flags right right and I think they're saying that because this is Martin Smith saying this he's saying it
because like the captain said he sees Jerry on TV he sees him hold not only holding his his other child but he's his
head is kind of down his shoulders are kind of up he's almost in a similar position that he would have seen that
man that evening and he's saying wow man when I see him in that stance when I see
him with his head just that certain way this 60 to 80% that that's my guy that that's the guy that I saw walking that
night carrying a child right so again when we first start this whole thing when uh Kate comes out running and
saying they abducted her they took you know they took my daughter right mhm we have the resort saying no no she
probably just went went and left on her own and we'll find her they don't find her so now we're going with this
abduction Theory but there's these little things that don't keep you know that they're not adding up like you know
uh we get this really weird fing with with Jerry so we have these these things not quite adding up so now we we're
we're kind of splitting off into two theories mhm one that somebody abducted her or that there was an
accident or or somebody killed her and to cover it up they're claiming that she was abducted and so when you have the
Smith family coming out saying okay now we know who we saw that night it was Jerry
McCain now the problem with that was even the I believe even the Portuguese police told him hey look based off of
the timeline and not just and not just the the tapis 9's theories but based off the
resorts timeline and what they saw there is no way that you could have seen Jerry
carrying uh meline that night yeah and that's that's the troubling thing with the investigation when when the
investigation kicks off they're they're already stumbled by the fact that meline
could have wandered off and then they're further stumbled by we have the whole group stating it's an abduction let's
look at that and the third possibility like you said is that this is some kind of cover cover up something happened to
where they had to cover up the death of their daughter and now we have the and that's why she's missing the thing here
is that was not really did that seem to you like that most of the investigators from the beginning thought that that was
a possibility thought it was the number one possibility it looked to me like they
were checking the other avenues first all right so here here's where we're at though right so now now we got two
theories right that either she's abducted or that the McCain's had something to do with it and that it's a
cover up well and there in lies Captain what I would call the the bulk of the story the bulk of this investigation is
the family the MCCS themselves we all know that they've become suspects in in The Disappearance of their daughter um
but the problem here is you know this is a 10-year-old case and yeah I know we cover a lot of 10 15 20 30 year old
cases this case is different in the sense that it is like we said she is probably the most famous meline can is
probably the most famous missing person maybe in the history of of you know these types of
cases that being said everything has been under a microscope if we went through everything through the course of
this 10-year investigation it would take us a whole season just to talk about everything that's taking place let's do
it starting now starting now what I think the the thing that we need to hone in on and focus in on and we're going to
have to do this on tomorrow show but what we're going to do is there's been a lot of theories there's been a
lot of speculation there's been a lot of Suspicion around the McAn family there's
a lot of but but every couple months or so we get new leads and we get new evidence I think what we do is I think
we we kind of pour through that evidence and we point out if if this does this point towards a guilty or not guilty in
in our opinions yeah and I I think you'll be able to see how weird our brains work uh when we look look at the
evidence so of course the whole world 10 years later is still looking for M meline mccan tomorrow Captain you and I
will look for the truth about what happened that night all right everybody happy 4th of July and I don't even care
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The episode discusses the disappearance of Madeleine McCann during a family vacation in Portugal and the ensuing investigation.

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Meline McCann Goes Missing. A three-year-old girl goes missing while on holiday in Portugal, sparking a massive search.
The Search for Madeleine McCann. A massive search operation begins for the missing girl, involving resort staff and guests.
Suspicion Arises. Detectives grow suspicious of the parents' behavior during the investigation.
Conflicting Accounts. Different timelines and accounts from the parents and the resort raise questions.
Theories of Disappearance. Exploring possibilities of how and why Madeleine went missing.

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