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crime. >> [music] >> We will be talking a lot about DNA in this case [music] here today, but before
we get into the DNA evidence, and especially that cigarette butt that we talked so much about at the end of
yesterday's episode, we need to talk about the suspects police found in Johnny's social circle.
Now, this is the early stages of the investigation here, Captain. This is within days and
weeks after the double homicide. Now, we know that police spoke many times to Johnny's close friend, and I
want to use that term loosely. We're being told that they were close friends, but
it sounds to me, Captain, that that Johnny may have had a couple of air quotes close friends for a few months
the summer and fall prior to his murder. And these people may not have necessarily been involved in his life
prior to that. >> Right. >> And so we want to make sure we're using that term loosely, especially if
Johnny's friends and loved ones are listening and they and they're getting upset that we're calling this
individual close friend. But this is how it's reported. And that's what he's referred to as and we're talking about
somebody that we've mentioned briefly before, Anthony Watson. He also goes by Tony and Tone Watson.
Now, he is a key player here in this investigation and either considered to be a suspect or a
person with information to police early on in the investigation because he will ultimately tell authorities
that he was supposed to either stop by the Straub house the evening of the double homicide or if you listen to the
entirety of the interview with Anthony Watson, he also makes reference to the possibility that Johnny might be
stopping by his house. So I have not been able to sort out if this is Watson changing his story
or not wanting to put himself as potentially being at the Straub house or going to the Straub house that night.
But the reason why we know this to be part of the case is that a person who is not considered
to be a suspect and should not be considered a suspect. Uh we remember we spoke about Johnny's
very close friend, the the lifelong friend that ends up talking to Tiffany and Zach
that night and that's how they ultimately get in touch with Johnny's parents. So Johnny's lifelong best friend
and some others are people that tell the police, "Look, we know that Anthony Watson was either
supposed to drop by the Stobbe house or Johnny was supposed to go to Anthony's house that night because
Johnny said this to a couple people before the murder. So, this obviously will be somebody that
police want to talk to. Did you Did you actually end up going to the Stobbe house? Did Johnny end up going to your
house? And you can hear in the interview that he says no that the the meet up never
actually took place. In fact, the the short of it, the best way to sum it up is that
Johnny mentions this to a person that he's on the phone with speaking the person that he's speaking to
immediately before taking the call from Tiffany Williams. Anthony Watson tells police that the two
were planning to meet up, but when it got too late, he bailed telling Johnny that he had to get up early for school
the following morning. Now, I can't vouch for that part of the alibi, right? But we do know
that Anthony Watson was in school at that time. Um so that that may be just as Anthony
Watson says. >> Well, and we also we don't >> [clears throat] >> law enforcement has the phone records,
so they could be able to run that alibi. >> We hope so. Yes, we we hope that they
have all of the phone records. And so, did the two actually see each other that night? That remains a question for a lot
of people. And even though the DNA evidence is going to lead us to two other individuals, both of them not named
Anthony Watson, there is evidence at the murder scene that other persons were involved. So, we
can't really eliminate everybody else just because that DNA led us to two other individuals.
And the tricky thing here though with Watson there's parts of that interview and we
looked at that interview quite a bit. Because on the surface he seems to be very much like a
like a twin of Samuel Williams. They you know, they dress the same, they kind of act the same, they're they've
both have criminal background history of violence. But there's something a little different
about Watson to me and and it's just this is not proof of anything. It's just a it's just kind of a gut reaction that I
get to his interview that there's something about him that tells that My instinct here Captain is that I
believe that he's telling the truth more times than he's not telling the truth in
that interview. >> He doesn't come off as stand-offish to law enforcement. It seems like he's willing to have a
conversation with them. He's willing to even ponder ideas that he might not even
know if it's true or not. Here's some rumors I heard. I'm not really for sure. But he also seems again, so he seems
like he's willing to cooperate and he seems like he's pretty relaxed. When you look at some of the other
interrogations, those people come across as not willing to cooperate and they're
definitely not relaxed. >> It yeah, it's it's strange too because there were parts of that interview that
I thought, oh man, the way that he is he just keeps taking a sip of that drink almost like he's nervous and I'm like it
he's doing that constantly cuz he's nervous and he's nervous because he's lying.
And then I thought that I thought the detective did a good job trying to back him into a
corner and asked him straight up. He's like, are you nervous? And Watson says, no, I'm pissed. And I
got get getting to think about it and watching him again, that could explain the that what I
thought was nervous drinking. And he may just be pissed like he told the officer.
Well, that's interesting that you thought he came off as nervous cuz I I thought he came I mean, I guess I didn't
notice. I I have to go back. I guess I didn't notice how many times he was taking a drink.
That was the only part. You're right though. His his verbal, just the verbal communication. I was trying to watch
and get an opinion of him on just his physical communication and his body language. But his verbal communication
with the officer is incredibly casual. Like it it it appears that not only like this guy with
a criminal history, he's very comfortable with the detective and not because he thinks he's smarter
than the detective or anything like that. It almost feels like like they may have they may know each other fairly
well cuz they they speak pretty candidly to one another or at least it appears that way.
And almost in a chummy manner at times, too. Um but he >> you said, he has a criminal history. So
this is probably a situation that he's been in before. But it's a big difference to be in that
situation and be guilty of something and to be into that in that situation and not be guilty of something.
>> Yes. And one thing that's interesting, he remains an interesting figure in this
whole case because where I can't decide where he falls. Again, we're looking for
additional suspects because we know other people or at least the evidence is telling us other people were involved
in this double homicide. Now, he remains an interesting figure to me for a couple reasons. One, he tells he
does tell police some information like uh that that he had heard that there were
at least four people involved in the murder and he he references two males and two females.
And the tricky thing though with Watson to me what is not in question is that he was in communication with Johnny,
right? And we we that's that that is per him. He he says that Johnny told other people that that night. So we he agrees
with with that that he was in communication with Johnny on the on the day that Johnny was killed.
What we need to learn more about Watson is exactly what you said Captain with the phone records. I'm hoping that they
have subpoenaed all the potential people all the proper channels and received all of those phone records and
then put them together, make put them together cross cross-reference them and put together a a timeline of just
the phone calls between about anywhere from four to about eight different people.
And I think you could get a very clear picture or at least a a a very good understanding of the
movements and maybe who was with who that night. >> I think the problem though too is again
a guy with a criminal history if he knows some of these other individuals that might have been involved
it'd be hard to fault him for not naming names because of what these guys are obviously capable
of. And I don't know if he has children of his own or other family members but that'd be a very tough situation to be
in even if you just heard rumors, you you don't know for certain who was there. And to give that information to the
police knowing are the police going to be able to catch these guys before they come after me?
>> Well, and you're exactly right, and we're going to see this throughout the the remainder of
this investigation, and reminder, it's not completely solved. This is not a solved case
that we are talking about here today. And >> actually solved, right? >> Yeah, if we want to if we want to call
it that, but but the thing is, Anthony Watson does name names to the to the police. I don't know if that that
put puts him in a or paints him in a different light for for people out there, but he does name names. Now,
the other person that we need to talk about, another central figure in this investigation, is Alexandra
Kuzeno, who goes by Alex. Now, police questioned this woman, Alex, who would eventually be determined by
police as the {quote} common denominator between all the persons of interest in the friend group regarding
anyone's involvement with the murder of the young couple. And so, while we say common denominator, this is going to be
key here, Captain, because what is quickly understood by police, one thing that they sort out in this
case is when that DNA evidence on that cigarette butt lead them to Samuel Williams
and Cameo Petaway, whose DNA was found on that cigarette butt, both of them, they quickly determined that Samuel
Williams and and Cameo Petaway did not know Lisa Straub, did not know Johnny. That Johnny and Lisa did not know Cameo
or Samuel Williams. So, there has to be these two just didn't show up randomly in the middle of
the night and kick in the door and attack these people and kill them in the way that the horrible way that they were
killed. Nobody believes that. The evidence suggests otherwise. Police said from the beginning they
believed based off of the evidence and the circumstances surrounding the case that the killers were known
to our victims. And so, we need someone to 6° of Kevin Bacon, right? We need somebody that is
degree number one, two, and three from Johnny and Lisa to connect us to these persons that the DNA is found in
their home. And police say that this person could be Alexandra Kouzena. So, they say that she may be the common
denominator between all the persons of interest in the friend group and persons regarding this double homicide. So, Alex
is an of interest to the police very early on for several reasons. One, she had a falling out with Johnny
over the purchase of a dog and a car. So, in October of 2010, remember they're killed in 2011, late January.
Johnny and Lisa agreed to buy a puppy off of this Alex Kouzena. And the as the story goes,
they agreed to pay her $100 for the puppy, but only paid her $50. So, she's upset about this.
And the the three of them have words over this a couple of times, but as the story goes, she eventually they
eventually make up that they let bygones be bygones, right? Then, sometime around Thanksgiving, this
may be have been just before just after Thanksgiving. Now, unfortunately, we only have Alex
here to tell us her side of the story. She claims that Johnny was constantly trying to talk her into buying his car.
Johnny has a Dodge Stratus, and he, according to Alex, wanted to sell it to her for $1,500 cash.
Now, we do know that Johnny did not have a vehicle at the time of the homicide. So, this will kind of explain away why
he does not have a vehicle. The The flip side of this story, and we we have to kind of sort this out and
figure out who we believe here, is Johnny's friends and family say, "No, no, no, no, no. She talked him into
selling her the car. It wasn't Johnny that was constantly asking her to buy it."
She talked him into it. So, two very different opinions of the same situation. >> Different accounts, yeah.
>> So, in her interview with police, with the with the same detective that interviewed Tony Watson, Samuel
Williams, and Tiffany Williams, she tells police that that Johnny relentlessly pressured her to buy the
vehicle, despite the fact that she wasn't really interested, but she, you know, was a was
friends with him and needed a car anyway, so she agreed to buy the vehicle from him. And she says she paid him $750
cash, and promised that he that she would pay him the other 750 either in payments, installments, or
or at another time. Now, the way that this goes down is Johnny doesn't sign over the title to
her. So, this would be possible further proof that yes, she was supposed to pay him
the additional money. >> Right. >> However, in December, she So, she has the car for a very short period of time.
And she gets into this big argument with Johnny about the vehicle. And so, what John What she's saying is
that all the the car was was in really bad shape. I had it for a short period of time. The tire fell off.
She's saying that the car breaks down, so she doesn't want to pay for the rest of it. Meanwhile,
others are saying that Johnny was angry with her because she wouldn't pay him the rest of the money.
>> Right. >> What ends up happening is Johnny's parents get involved. And they are not happy about this whole car
situation. They think that Alex duped him out of the vehicle. And probably was trying to get him to
sign over the title so she wouldn't have to pay him the extra 750. And then she recklessly drives this
thing, so it breaks down. Now, maybe not on purpose, but she's driving in a manner that you wouldn't drive
uh an older car. So, there was damage to the vehicle. That's not a question, and
we know that because once Johnny's parents get involved, and guess what? Once you get the law involved, whoever's
name's on the title has rightful ownership to that vehicle, regardless of what exchanged hands or what agreement
that you had. >> Yeah, so is law enforcement looking at this as a possible motive?
>> Uh yes, and here's why. So, law enforcement they they go out to uh Alex, and they take the vehicle from
her and return it to Johnny. >> Right. >> And so, now after that takes place, no
more money exchanges hands. She wants her $750 back. Johnny wants the car fixed because she
she busted up the car. So, both of them are not happy. Well, the reason why this becomes
possible motive, it's not so much about the car. It's not so much about the puppy. It's not so
much about the money that's owed. It's the bad blood that's brewing between the two of them.
Because we we know that that Alex We have several people in this case who said under oath
that they had knowledge that Alex threatened Johnny's life on more than one occasion.
So, she threatens and and one of the threats is very specific saying, "If you don't give me my $750
back, I'm going to send a couple guys over to your house to kill you and Lisa." Well,
this becomes of interest obviously to police because >> Yeah. >> to Johnny and Lisa. Yeah. This happens
to Johnny and Lisa less than 60 days after these threats first start. "I'm going to send a couple guys over
there to kill you and Lisa." Uh It looks like somebody may have sent a couple guys over to the Straubs house
the night that they were killed. >> Right. Yeah, because like we've said before in
the previous few episodes, a motive is not that clear. Yeah, it's a nice house. Maybe there was
some rumors that her her family kept money in the house or possibly a safe, but no evidence of that.
And maybe the other possibility is that they either had drugs or were going to get drugs or
had money for drugs and maybe that would be the possibly the the the motive um And then you hear in the one
interrogation that we talked about um on part three is possibly the idea that it look in this scenario you go well
this guy screwed me out of a car so I'm going to send over these thugs to to kill you and that is actually the motive
but they tell the guys going over all there's money in the house. So that's how you're going to get paid.
>> Yeah well yeah we >> some of these guys that were down on their luck and trying to
turn around their life thought that this was an opportunity for a big score to start changing
things. >> Yeah and and we've seen this in other cases too right? You you get these other
persons involved and you say look I need you to go over to this place and do this
thing for me. Who knows maybe it was just they were just supposed to scare him and beat him
up. I'll cut you in on that 50 that I get back or you know I'll pay you x amount of
dollars to to carry this out for me and then what's the smart criminal going to say to the other smart criminal?
Where the hell did you get that kind of money? And then then we go I I don't have that money.
But your payment is in the Strobh household. It's inside that house. So you carry this out for me I'll help
set this thing up. I'll make sure that they're there and I'll make sure that you get whatever money's in that house
or we split it. So what we do know is that the cigarette butt collected at the house contained a
mix of two male DNA profiles. When investigators enter those profiles into CODIS into the CODIS system they get a
match to two existing samples in that database. Cameo Pettaway and Samuel Todd Williams.
Samuel Todd Williams is arrested for the murders of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clark
on January 31st, 2011 and 11 when they were killed, but he's not arrested until months and months later.
Um ironically, he's picked up while he's out running to the store to buy a pack of
cigarettes. And he's 24 years old at the time and he actually tells police he thought he was
being arrested for other reasons. Remember, he's he's got a lengthy criminal history.
So, he says, "Look, I don't know nothing about no murders." Well, then why do you
think we picked you up and why do you think we arrest you? He goes, "Oh, well, I think I thought it was for some other
uh you know, I he had a domestic violence warrant out against him. Um he also says that his assumption was
that he has a promoting prostitution charge in which he's involved in and he thinks
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>> Cheers to you, Captain. When you When I say something like ununiformed officers,
that makes it sound like they're just running the streets nude. >> Negative. Yeah.
>> It's It's plainclothes. Uh they were wearing plainclothes. >> Uh well, it gives a new definition to
Billy Club. >> I'll tell you, you see nude individuals running at you with guns, be scared. All right.
>> Yeah, nice Billy Club you got there. >> You'd have to be too smart to be scared
in that situation. So, like we had said earlier, when Samuel Todd Williams sits down with police,
I got a whole different perspective on this guy than I got from somebody like >> Anthony Watson.
>> Or even from Tiffany Williams. Like Tiffany Williams to me doesn't seem smart enough to
I think that she's lucky in this situation by either being confused, being confused by her drug addiction, or
that she can just play dumb. Because she she gives unclear evidence and unclear statements and timelines to
the police, and I think that that really convoluted the whole situation for police when talking to somebody like
Tiffany Williams. Samuel Williams, who we looked to try to see if there's any relationship between the two
because the last names are the same, there is none that's ever reported, and I believe that if they were somehow
related to one another, I get it, it's a common name, but these are the checks and balances we try to run here in the
garage. That I believe this would have been reported on. Uh police would have would
have said that another common denominator is this Tiffany Williams person. Now, Tiffany Williams
and Samuel Williams and Cameo Pettaway, they all know Alexandra as well. So, you you have your common
denominators here are Alex and Tiffany Williams. That's your hop, skip, and a jump that
takes you from victim to the two persons arrested with the DNA. Now, when they're talking to him,
Captain, I get a different vibe on him and the vibe I get on him is this is a dude
that's probably in everyday normal life, probably pretty dumb, uh makes very bad decisions,
commits terrible crimes, overall bad dude, but guess what? He's probably a fairly smart criminal and a career
criminal. And he's he he seems to me to be the type that's old school in the way that I'm never going
to admit to anything, I'm never going to rat on anybody, anytime the cops talk to
me about anything at all, my answer is I don't know. My answer is I don't Is Is it daytime? I don't know. What's the
date? Don't know. I don't know anything. >> Yeah, and it's it's difficult because you don't want to
call these jackasses intelligent, but it's almost maybe not even intelligence as much as it's just
disciplined. You ask me a question, my answer is always no. You ask me You ask me if the sky is blue, I don't
know. I don't even know what the sky is. >> So, when he's talked questioned by detectives about the murder
and asked if there's any bad blood between him and the couple, Sam, of course, is saying, "I don't know
them. I've never been to that house." And he asserts that he stays on the side on the east side of Toledo.
That he's he's Toledo east side, he doesn't go to the south side or he doesn't go to the west side.
And at some point, Sam repeatedly tells the detectives that he doesn't want to talk. He does ask for his attorney.
Uh authorities reveal around this time that his DNA has been matched to a Newport cigarette, a Newport brand
cigarette butt that was found at the murder scene and that his DNA was mixed with another individual's and they know
that individual to be Cameo Pettaway. And Cameo Petaway is a known friend and associate of Sam Williams.
And the two have been known to share cigarettes. There were multiple people that confirmed this that the two on
occasion would share a cigarette. This one confirmed by the mother of Samuel Williams' child, one of his sons,
who verifies that not only had she seen the two split a cigarette in the past, but also that Newport was the preferred
brand of both Sam and Cameo. So, Petaway's also charged. Cameo's also charged with the double homicide. Then
the two men are scheduled to be tried separately, but with the trials held simultaneously
in the same court. Now, what this the short of it is, Captain, is that Sam is arraigned
via video and pleads not guilty to two counts of murder and two counts of aggravated burglary. His bond is set at
$5 million. At his arraignment, Lisa's family requests that Sam face the death death penalty if convicted of the
murders, to which the state eventually agrees. So, here here's the tricky part. During his interview, Sam struggled to
remember his whereabouts on the night of the crime. But keep in mind, he's being he's never
questioned until he's arrested. Why? Because they had nothing connecting victim to Sam Williams
>> he wasn't he didn't seem to be a friend. He didn't seem >> to be an acquaintance.
Nobody in their circle, the victim's circle, had this guy on their radar. >> So,
I believe Sam Williams when he says, "I don't know those people." I think he didn't know them until that night. I
don't believe him when he says, "I was never at that house. I think he knew them after he had
entered that house. But, he's not spoken to by police until eight months after approximately eight months after the
crimes. And so, he of course he's not going to be able to Look, he's two situations. That's all we have here
for Sam Williams. Either he's going to provide attempt to provide an alibi and and lie because he
was in fact at the straw home and responsible in these crimes. Or two, he wasn't there and it's eight months
later and he's going to have difficulty sorting out where he was and who he was with.
Right. So, he eventually he reviews his own phone records >> [snorts] >> and talks with
family and friends and checks on his own social media. He's trying to figure out
where he was that night if he wasn't involved or establish some kind of fake alibi if he
was involved. And what he comes up with is he says he was at the Bottom Line, which is a bar located at 2053 Star
Avenue in Toledo. This is on the east side. Now, depending on which route you take,
there's a few different common routes that one may take. It's approximately 24 minutes to 29 minutes
away from Longacre Lane. I'm pointing that out because the the timeline here gets real tight.
Real tight uh with some of the evidence that we have in the case. So, he says he's at
the Bottom Line, which is a bar, and he's watching the Pro Bowl. The NFL Pro Bowl.
He mentions several other people who he says can confirm that he's there. Now, keep in mind he's giving this
interview October 28th to the detectives. He says that Larry Gillhouse was one of the persons that was there at
the Bottom Line with him that night. He also says that Eddie Flores was there with him as well
as Destiny Madrid. So, police talked to Larry Gilhouse and he says that he was there that night. And
this is what he tells the police. He says, "Look, Sam was at a party at my house for my daughter
earlier that evening, the night of the murders. And he says he specifically remembers seeing being
there for a multitude of reasons, but one, that Sam was the only one who stayed to help him clean up.
Now, I believe that the two are cousins and he says after we cleaned up from the
party, we went over to the bar to watch the bowl game, the Pro Bowl. And he says that Gilhouse says the same
thing that Samuel Williams tells them, that they stayed late, they closed down the bar.
Uh and typically, I'm guessing this bar would be a 2:00, 2:30 a.m. kind of deal.
>> Right. >> Um I've looked it up. It's It's not one of those mom-and-pop operations that
close at 9:00 or 10:00. Now, the other thing that that is tricky here is one key time in our timeline has always been
that 10:41 p.m. call from Tiffany Williams to our victim, Johnny, who Tiffany's saying that she hears that
the intrusion, the home invasion is taking place at 10:41. I I did a little record checking here on this Pro Bowl
because I was super suspicious of this whole Pro Bowl situation. >> Yeah, it seems like they're making a big
deal out of this Pro Bowl, but it's not like everybody that likes professional football loves the Pro Bowl.
>> So, the Pro Bowl ended at approximately 10:45 p.m. that night. So, that would be
after the 10:41 Tiffany call that's always been a big part of this case. Now, the reason why
our timeline gets so tight here with this possible alibi is one thing that we cannot dismiss because it's
it it's data telling us that there was a phone call made on Sam's phone at 10:27 p.m. that pinged off of a cell
phone tower near the Bottom Line bar. So, he would be at 10:27 p.m. his phone, I can't say where Sam was,
but his phone was 24 to 29 minutes away from Long Acre Lane where the two were killed.
This call to me is all kinds of strange because part of his alibi is he's at the Bottom
Line bar with these three other individuals. He closes the bar down with a couple of them, and then later he is
hanging out with this Destiny Madrid girl for the early morning hours of the following day. You know, they're going
to party all night together. But, the phone call that puts his phone so many miles away from the
from the crime scene and in a time frame that doesn't leave enough time for him to get there to be
there at 10:41 p.m. That call is a call with Destiny Madrid, one of the people that he says he's already hanging
out with. So, we know he's not already hanging out with her. >> Right. >> What we end up What we end up learning
is that the explanation given is that oh, she was on her way. He was calling to see when she would get there. You
know, where are you? I thought we were hanging out. And so, she's making her way to the bar at that time.
So, these this explanation, this alibi ultimately are not believed by the police.
And I've heard some people >> It's hard to [clears throat] believe it because you have his DNA at the crime
scene. >> Exactly. Ex- That's That's where the >> DNA at the crime scene, then you go,
"Well, this story is maybe plausible." >> There's some people that have said, "You
know what? He couldn't have got there that fast in that time." Um the Look, let's be clear here. The cell phone
tower records put him near the They don't We can't We can't use that data to put his ass on
a bar stool at the Bottom Line >> Right. >> bar. All we can say is that his cell phone
was in the area of a tower near the Bottom Line bar. Could he Could he have already been in a riding shotgun in a
vehicle driving away from the Bottom Line bar at that time? Or or away from the area of the Bottom Line? Yes.
That would put him at Long Acre Lane right around the 10:41 period time period. Yeah, if if
>> Time of the murder. >> You know, I'm thinking that late at night that late at night, he's There's
probably little to no traffic at all of Toledo's any I mean, Columbus is a much bigger city than Toledo, and it's a It's
damn near a ghost town at 10:00 at night on a Sunday. You You can move pretty quick through
our city at 10:00 p.m. on a Sunday night. And so, could he have already been in a
vehicle making its way there? I believe so, because for all the people that that get on to police here and say
look, you use cell phone information to put a suspect at a crime scene, but when the
cell phone information tells you that they were elsewhere, you you dismiss it and
but the problem here is we don't have to fully explain all of the cell phone information.
You don't have even have to get to that [ __ ] until after you fully explain the DNA
information. The DNA puts him in the Strob house. If he cannot if that cannot be explained away or proven to be
incorrect, then we don't even have to get to the cell phone information because guess
what? I can hand my cell phone off to Destiny Madrid and she can make calls and do walk around town with it and hop
in cars and go to bars and have a great time with my cell phone while I'm across
town doing unspeakable acts inside of that home. >> Yeah, and I think the problem with law
enforcement is what is the DNA connected to cuz his his DNA is not found on the victims, it's not found on other items
in the house. It's found on a cigarette butt. And so he's going, well, I can explain that
away because that item could have been brought to the scene. >> So this Pro Bowl
alibi has bothered me big time and I and here's why. Captain, you and I are very big fans of
the NFL. In fact, last night we must have traded a dozen texts in the middle of a game and guess what? We're watching
it. We're both watching the same game. Neither of us really care for either we're not big fans of either of the
teams playing. We're just very much into the NFL. >> Uh-huh. >> Do you give Do you care at all about the
Pro Bowl? When's the last time have you watched a Pro Bowl? >> No, never. >> I cannot recall the last time I watched
a Pro Bowl >> watch one. I don't know when. Last time I watched one captain and I
can't even put a date on it, but this will tell you about how long ago it was. I was in Gardo's Pizza on Broadway.
>> Yeah. >> And the most I thought the most entertaining part of the Pro Bowl was
the Dr. Pepper halftime uh extra point kicker field goal kick if the if that if that civilian kicked the
ball through the uprights that they won like a million dollars or something. >> Right.
>> And that that description to you now our listeners don't know it any of what that
means, but wouldn't that you believe that that's probably 20 years ago that this really big NFL fan watched a Pro
Bowl? The reason why I have a problem with this Pro Bowl thing is that Johnny was
at his friend's house watching the Pro Bowl. That is not in question. What's in question is what was Sam Williams doing
that night and is his alibi of being at a bar watching the Pro Bowl, does it hold any weight?
And I've cannot believe that there is a story out there in 2011 that two people of this young of an age
both that care so much to watch the Pro Bowl. Now, could I be wrong? Absolutely.
But But >> But in his defense, it could be I was at a bar and the Pro Bowl happened to be on.
Right. And I think he probably didn't care that much. He probably is like you. Whatever happened at halftime was
probably more important than the the whole entire game. >> Exactly. But people site
the specificity of his alibi. The details he's able to provide just not not just what he was doing, but
here's my movements and here's the details and here's three other individuals to back this all up.
People's people highlight [snorts] that and say that it is suggestive that this alibi is is
true. And I agree with that thought. However, off the wrench that I want to throw into that to this equation
is I spoke to several people that know Johnny. That knew Johnny very well. And I said, he told you he was at a
friend's house watching the Pro Bowl? Yes, he even told me that the two friends he was watching it with.
I said we know that Tiffany Williams was in constant contact based off of the phone records with Johnny that night.
Are you of the opinion that if asked what he was doing that Johnny would offer up that information to Tiffany
Williams? Would he offer up that information to Anthony Watson who we know he was in
contact with that night? And everybody said yes. He was Johnny was pretty much an open book. Hey, what
are you doing? Oh, I'm at so-and-so's house. We're watching the Pro Bowl. After this, I'm going to go pick up Lisa
and we're going to head back to her place. The reason why I'm I'm highlighting that
Captain is because I think that if Tiffany Williams wasn't at that home when they were killed
or in the home that night, that she had knowledge of what was going on, what took place inside of that home. And we
know that based off of her statement to the family. This is before anybody even arrives on the scene. That she saw that
the place had been ransacked which could not physically have happened unless she
was in the home or had knowledge from someone who was in the home at that that night.
>> Yeah, so just to just to make that perfectly clear for everybody listening, Tiffany Williams tells the parents
before the cops or anybody shows up at the crime scene that the house was ransacked. When the police get there and
the police go there multiple times, they have they find no evidence to give them
probable cause to enter that property. If they would have been able to see through any window that the house was
possibly ransacked, they would have had probable cause and they would have been been able to enter that property and
that never happened. >> Correct. And because they never entered the home, they they couldn't because
nobody could see inside the house. So then she has to have knowledge. She's privy to knowledge that that nobody else
was at that at that scene at that time. So she's privy to that knowledge prior to
going to the scene with the cops and her and the parents. Now, the reason why I'm bringing that all up
is because I believe that there were a couple people, one if not maybe two, people that were keeping tabs on Johnny
that day and that night. Whoever wanted to carry this out, they wanted to carry it out in Strob home.
And they wanted Johnny to be there. And so if Johnny so willingly offered up this information, I'm over at
so-and-so's house watching the Pro Bowl. I won't be home until I pick up Lisa when she gets off work at 10:00.
If we have multiple people telling us that he would willingly give up that information to others,
there's no reason to not believe that he may have told Tiffany Williams that, that he may have told Zach that who he
was in contact with, and and or that he may have told Anthony Watson that. And the reason why I'm saying that, Captain,
is because guess what? If I am the third party, if I'm the muscle, if I'm Sam Williams, Cameo Petaway, and
I'm waiting on the call, waiting on the call for you to tell me it's go time. We got to get to Longacre
Lane. It's not that far of a stretch to believe that there was another phone call or communication where someone
says, "He's not at home. He's at he's watching the Pro Bowl. And if I'm the muscle waiting on that
and now 8 months later I need an alibi, what's one thing that I know that took place that night?
The Pro Bowl. Because I remember being told, oh, we going we're going to have to wait. He's
busy watching the Pro Bowl. And I I think that that somewhere in this maybe this alibi, the
genesis of this alibi started with information that Sam Williams had before Lisa and Johnny were killed.
Now, we're going to get into some phone call information here and this is the time in the show, look,
we're we're not a kid-friendly show. It's E for explicit, not E for everyone rated on this show. Uh and so if you got
young ones in the vehicle or you don't want to hear words yourself, uh it's time to earmuff up uh like they say in
old school. Earmuff up. But uh >> I forgot about that. >> First of all, earmuffs.
>> Earmuffs. Earmuffs. >> Here Here's something that's going to make Alex not look so good. Okay?
So, she's in a squabble with somebody else. Somebody not related to this case at
all. But this person gives this information to the police and this is not going to look good for her.
She's in a squabble with somebody else and this is about a week after. Okay, let's Here we go.
I Here's I found the information in my notes here. So, we're talking about Alexandra
Kuszynow, her possible involvement. And and in fact, when police are talking to Anthony Watson, Anthony Watson tells the
police that he believes that Johnny bought Percocets off of someone named Peanut.
And he knows who Peanut is. Peanut's a nickname, but he gives Peanut's real name to the police and he says, "Look, I
believe that from what I've heard, Johnny owed Peanut some money, maybe a bunch of money.
But the police are like, "Well, do you think that Peanut would would be involved would get take
retaliation or go to collect his money?" And Watson says, "No, I don't think that
Peanut would retaliate even if there was money that was owed because he knew of several other individuals
that were still alive and well that owed money to Peanut." >> Right. >> And this is this is months after this is
about 2 months after the the homicides. Now, what what will what Anthony Watson does supply police with
is that he says that he heard that Alexander Kusenow was involved. Uh AP's ex-girlfriend. So, AP is another
nickname. He tells police that he believes that there were at least four people involved.
And then what we end up finding out is that this Alexander Kusenow the woman who's the common denominator
determined to be the common denominator by police less than 24 hours after the bodies were discovered
we find out that she sent a text message to someone that she's in a squabble with
that says "I do this [ __ ] fam. Watch the news, [ __ ] [ __ ] get duct taped and tied up and left for
dead." That's her text message to somebody else that she's in a fight with and it and
has beef with less than 24 hours after the bodies were discovered. >> is her bragging that she killed them.
This is a confession. >> Yeah, so Anthony Watson tells authorities of a conversation that he
had weeks before he's picked up and questioned with a woman who is not identified in any
reporting source that I could find. He says the woman in this conversation placed herself at the scene of the
crime. He also alleges that Sam Williams and another man named Dro and a second woman were present at the
murder. The four had broken into the Straub residence seeking a safe that was rumored to be in the home.
And one thing we need to be clear about him potentially implicating multiple people
in this crime, Watson does tell police admits to fearing for his own safety and that of
his family. Now, the other phone calls, Captain, Sam Williams, once he's in jail waiting
trial, you know, they record those calls. Well, Sam makes a phone call and and tells a relative, "I [ __ ] up.
I'm going to be in here for a long time." Now, he will go to trial. Sam will go to
trial and at his trial, this is presented by the prosecution as an admission of guilt.
And he says, "No, that's simply taken out of context." There was also another possible
incriminating phone call that is made. This is in April of 2012. This is when Sam Williams, still in jail waiting
trial, calls Steven Petteway. Steven Petteway is the brother of the alleged accomplice Cameo Petteway, who's also
arrested for the double murder. And on this call, Sam says to Steven, quote, "That was supposed to be me and
you, but you know, little bro had to step up to take your spot, man. You know, he didn't do it right like I
would have done it." Oh, sorry. Steven responds to Sam saying, "You know, he didn't do it
right like I would have done it." To which Sam replies, "No, but he did it good enough to make something happen."
>> Well, they all sound like real pieces of [ __ ] >> sounds like it was supposed to be
Steven, Cameo's older brother, who was super tight. The everything I could find, Captain,
suggests that Sam and Steven were like best friends. >> Right. >> And that Cameo is Steven's little
brother. And that he was that Sam and Cameo were tight as well. And a lot of times the three of them
would would run together. But I think that Steven may have been locked up for something at this time.
And so if somebody was looking to hire muscle, Sam and Cameo got the job, not Sam and
Steven. And so again, the prosecution at trial saying this is further indication that he's
implicating himself in these crimes and Cameo as well. But Sam says, "Look, this was
this was taken out of context as well. That this was this was in reference to their
the three of them were kind of running this prostitution ring together. And we know that because all three of
them had been arrested at different times for promoting prostitution. >> Right. >> And I know that a lot of people don't
like to hear that word, but that's that's the term that's the word and term that's used in the charges. So that's
what >> Yeah, that's the legal >> That's the term we're using. Yes. So he says that that is he's referencing
like Cameo was doing a good job helping us run this ring, but he wasn't making enough he wasn't making enough money. He
should have been making more money. He was doing good, but he could have done it better.
Well, I mean, we can't we can't sit here and claim to know 100% that that's not truth, but it also seems pretty logical
that he may have been referring to the murders as well in these conversations. >> So even though that we believe that
there's four maybe more people involved, uh maybe even a lookout person, maybe a
contact person for all the different individuals, law enforcement is able to charge and
bring two individuals to trial. They're not going to be tried together, but they're going to be tried at the
same time. >> And in the same courtroom. And the weird thing here is they're using that same
evidence against both of these individuals, the cigarette butt. Uh Sam Williams' DNA found on it, Cameo
Pettaway's DNA found on that same cigarette butt that was found at the crime scene.
Now, police were trying to move on other suspects as well, especially Alex or Alexandra.
But I think that they believed once they had this evidence that put Sam and Cameo
at the crime scene that that those two would start talking. Unfortunately, neither of them confessed
to anything and did not implicate anybody else in the crimes, either. And then to further complicate issues,
Cameo Pettaway, his case gets tossed. So, the judge says that the only evidence they have on
Cameo is that cigarette butt. Nothing else. Nobody's saying that they even heard that he was there. He's not
implicated himself in any form or fashion. Where with Sam Williams, they have other evidence against him.
So, the judge tosses Pettaway's case for lack of evidence. Don't get onto the judge about this
because if if you take Cameo Pettaway to trial and he's found innocent, you can't try him
again. The judge isn't saying Cameo Pettaway didn't do this. The judge is saying you
need to have a stronger case against this individual to have it in my courtroom.
But the judge determines that there's enough evidence against Sam Williams. And part of this evidence is those phone
calls. Part of the evidence is individuals saying that they had heard that Sam Williams was involved.
And then part of the evidence also will be what the captain hates the most, a jailhouse snitch.
So, this individual his last name is uh Yingling. So, it's Eric Yingling. He will testify in court
that not only did Williams confess the to the crimes to him, that that Williams also provided a lot
of detail about the murders, right, and that he had information given to him by Sam Williams that
would have only been known to the killers or law enforcement. And part of that information was
something at the crime scene. Remember we talked about that expensive jewelry in the home was not taken by the
perpetrators. And also all of that Iraqi currency that I believe there was like $4,500 in
several different envelopes that was all Iraqi currency. And that Sam Williams had told Yingling
something to the effect of, you know, Yingling when when when Williams is telling him about the crimes,
according to Yingling, you know, he wants to know, well, did you ever find the safe or how much money did you find
in the house? And Williams tells him, well, the only large amount of money that we
found in the home was this Saddam Hussein money that we couldn't do anything with, so we left it.
And at the time at the trial, it was believed that that was information that would have only been known to the
Strobs, to police, and to the killers. And they used this information against Sam Williams along with the other
information that we've already gone through. Now, I do want to be clear here that it
was late it's there has been later the accuracy of of that information only being privy to
the killer and law enforcement has been called into question for good reason because I believe it was CNN. I know
that it was reported. I believe it was CNN that reported that the Iraqi currency foreign currency
was found in the home. So, somebody watching that news clip or following the case
may have known about that information and could have fed it to the jailhouse snitch England.
So >> again, two people charged basically based off the same evidence, but in one
of the cases they're not going to be be able to use that evidence. So, what is the outcome of these two
trials? >> Well, after hearing from 27 witnesses and reviewing more than 130 exhibits in a four-day trial, we have a
jury of 12 who find Sam Williams guilty of two counts of murder, two counts of kidnapping, and a single count of
aggravated burglary. And he ultimately will get sentenced to two life sentences without the possibility of parole.
So, eventually the death penalty goes away in this case. Now, we do know that the
families or at least the Clark family were big advocates for the death penalty in this situation.
>> Yeah, which is which is understandable in this situation. >> Now, where the case sits today, Captain,
is >> [snorts] >> Samuel Williams is still in prison and the evidence and what some of the
people were telling police is suggestive that there were four persons in the home
that night if not more. And so, who were these other three? And even if you include Cameo Pettaway
whose DNA was found at the scene you still have two people that are not known, not identified, never been charged.
So, the the outstanding theories on the case are that the intruders broke into the
Strob home on on the night of January 30th, 2011 looking for the safe, looking for any money or
even possible drugs that might have been in the home, and that they were So, there was Unfortunately, there was
considerable damage to both Lisa and Johnny that is not from killing them. So, one could believe that maybe they're
being tortured or they're being hit, they're being assaulted to provide information. Where's the
safe? Where's the safe? Where's the money? Where's the money? Um So, the way that the theories work is
that either they were intentionally killed or that the bags were used as some form
of torture to try to get information from them or torture to send a message to them in retaliation for something
else, and that one of them actually one of them accidentally died. And then they had to kill the other one.
That's why we talked about early in this case that that the coroner could not sort out who
died first, and there there was concern with that inside of this case in the investigation.
The other theory is that based off of the interviews with Johnny's friend Tony Anthony Watson,
Tony or Tone Watson, that he was telling the truth, that Anthony Watson told police that a woman
in their circle named Alexander Kusheno, >> Yeah, that witch >> who had a history of having altercations
with Johnny before the murders. That she was involved and she got others involved.
And were responsible for the murders. Some things that occurred to me in this case Captain that we talked
about offline the other day. You know, why would Tiffany make those calls? Why would she get other people
involved after the fact if she set everybody up? If she was making arrangements. And I said one it would be
to explain away why she made the 1041 call at all. >> Right. >> But there's a couple of other reasons
why she may have made these calls. Could she have provided transportation? Could she have been a driver to and from
and that's how she got the knowledge of the house being ransacked before she should have had that before anybody else
had that knowledge? Or did she offer up a vehicle that could be used and she wasn't the driver?
We do know that prior according to her own story before going over to the Stob home that night that she stopped by
another individual's house and was there for about an hour and that she took a borrowed vehicle with her. It was not
Zach's vehicle, it was not her vehicle. Did she simply go over there and hide out for an hour or so and let
somebody some other people's that were at that location use her vehicle? Or use that vehicle that wouldn't have
ties to the individuals occupying the vehicle? >> Right. >> Because again it didn't belong to
Tiffany or Zach. The And here's the other thing for the call, the late night call that ends up
getting in communication with Johnny Clark's parents. I've wondered one of the persons they
tried to call, well, one of the people they did speak to. Remember Zach called Johnny's lifelong friend Reuben.
Reuben is the only reason why this thing gets back to the Clarks at all. And the Clarks showing up that night
calling the police causes all kinds of problems for Tiffany and Zach if they're trying to hide
something. And all the people responsible in this case. I've been wondering if they were really concerned they would
figure out how to call the Clarks. They weren't calling the Clarks. They weren't asking Reuben, "How do we
get in touch with the Clarks?" No, they were talking to Reuben. They were trying to get Reuben to ride
over to the Strob house with them. A peer of Johnny and Lisa's. I'm starting to wonder
were they trying to get this dude back to this crime scene and set him up? Is the muscle still sitting there? Do we
have Sam Williams and Cameo Pettaway splitting a cigarette in the in the closed garage over the Strob home while
they're waiting for Tiffany and Zach to try to bring this innocent back to the home?
>> And maybe he will maybe he will tell us where Yeah. >> No, I think they may have wanted off him
and try to make it look like he was responsible for the murders. >> Right. >> Remember we got the missing knives
from the home? What if they would have, you know, sorry, but what if we would have made
some postmortem stab wounds and and then put some knives on this Reuben kid? >> Yeah.
>> Uh it it it's it's weird that they got anybody else involved and I and I I applaud you for pointing that out early
on in this case, Captain, because it doesn't make sense that if Tiffany was and Zach were involved or knew what
happened that they would alert anybody. Unless their conscience got through them
in a in the short course of 2 hours. But I don't think that it did. I think that these calls and alerting other
people was to either make something else happen, set up this set somebody else up and
frame somebody else, or to explain away their prior actions that they know they cannot hide. The
data, the phone records will always be there. So, you need to explain them away. Now,
regarding Tiffany Williams, in December of 2014, somebody shot fires at somebody fired shots at Tiffany
Williams. Now, she wasn't hit, but what we end up learning is that John and Myte Clark, Johnny's parents, they
are arrested a short period of time after these shots are fired at Tiffany Williams, and they're charged they're
charged with attempted assault >> Really? >> on her. >> Wow. >> And there's no doubt that they that
that John Clark fired those shots at Tiffany Williams. They They have been an open book about
this. They said, "Look, she was involved in the killing of our son and Lisa Straub. We lost our damn minds.
She was never charged with anything. And we we went out looking for her one night
and fired some shots at her. So, they've they've been they've been clean and clear about this. Now, they they both
went to to prison for it. They're both out now, but they this is not something that they
hide from. This is not something that they deny. In fact, this is something that they are shouting from the
mountaintops. There were other people involved in the murder of these two young individuals, and they've nobody
else has been charged. Nobody else has been sentenced. Nobody else is in prison, but this one dude.
>> Yeah, it's a way of putting fear into other individuals, and maybe they thought, "Well,
she is not that bright, and maybe she's the weakest link, and if we can scare her enough, maybe she starts
telling the cops names and and breaking down exactly how this all went down and why it went down.
>> Well, in another update, remember Anthony Watson, Tony or Tone Watson, who told police that he had a conversation
with an unidentified woman who placed herself at the crime scene, who also implicated Sam Williams and
alleged that two others, a man and another woman, were also involved. And guess what? The DNA at the scene
is telling us that that this information could be correct, that there was a a female perpetrator involved,
at least one female perpetrator, if not two, and we know that there were at least
two different male DNAs found, because we know they charged but then dropped the charge against Cameo. So, Watson's
information to police could be correct. And we had mentioned that this information,
his cooperation with police, he he told them that he he was afraid for his life and for that of his families after
providing this information, they do hook him up. His His felony count that he was
facing on a on a completely unrelated case was reduced to a misdemeanor. Uh and he only ended up receiving
probation for that uh when he played guilty to that charge. We also don't know if if the prosecutor or law
enforcement had intended to drop it to a misdemeanor all all along, and this was
just icing on the cake. You get his cooperation for something you were already going to do anyway.
But, that information, his cooperation, may have come at a high price. He was killed. He was fatally shot outside of
his apartment in September of 2018. So, an unknown assailant or assailants gunned him down near his apartment in
Toledo, Ohio. He shot He shot in the leg. He calls 911 to report that he's been shot. And while
he's still laying there waiting on emergency services to show up, he calls his mother.
And he later dies at the hospital and he's he's dying on the phone call to his mom.
He was only 30 years old at the time of his death and as far as I could find, Captain, there's officially there's been
no suspects identified and his murder remains unsolved. Cameo Pettaway, who's who got lucky in the judge tossed his
case in this double homicide, he gets picked up in 2012 for beating up a girlfriend. He's convicted of that
charge. He gets 6 years in prison for that. He gets out and he's not out for long because in 2020
he's accused in a shooting. A gun assault that takes place. Now, I looked for an update on his case and as
far as I could find, the information that's most up-to-date is 2023 February. >> Right.
>> And I could not figure out if he had been convicted of that charge or if he was still waiting
trial. Now, in the end, Alexandra Cousinau did submit DNA. Refused to take a polygraph but did agree to give her DNA
to the detectives. We know that there had been unknown male and female DNA found on Johnny's sweat
inside of Johnny's sweatpants pockets. We talked about the the removing of the wallet.
But what we do know is that when this DNA comes back and it doesn't match Alexandra Cousinau's, police decide to
not charge her with any crime. It looks to me, though, as if she remains a suspect, strong suspect in this case.
Now, how do we solve this case? I think this case is very solvable and it helps that
you have one of the persons responsible already in prison, but I don't know if this dude Williams is ever going to
talk. If If he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison, he doesn't want to be labeled a snitch.
So, how do you solve this case? I think it's There's three easy answers here. One or all three could lead you to the
the answers you're seeking. One is as we've said a couple times in this case, subpoena all the phone records.
Right? At the very least you need Johnny's, Sam Williams, Tiffany Williams, Anthony Watson, and Alexander
Cousinau. And probably Fat Zach's as well. And Lisa Strobs. If you had all those
phone records and you put them together, cut and paste those babies and put them
into sequential order, you might have a much more clear understanding of that night.
The other The other item that I would work heavily on if I'm an investigator is identifying this individual that is
referred to as Dro. We don't know this person's real name, but he comes up multiple times from multiple different
sources when people were talking to police, Dro. Even Anthony Watson said that Dro may
have been one of the people responsible. Do you know his real name? No. Now, look, I'm just I'm just some dude
sitting in a garage, but here's where I go with this. Dro, we know is slang for good marijuana
or pot. I know this by my limited knowledge of rap music, right? Dro is used by people
like Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye West, and the late and great Nate Dogg, and many, many more. So, could Dro be reference to
somebody that has really good weed? That's selling really good stuff in 2011? 2010?
Right. The other thing too that I would push on is Drew Warren. We know per the court records and per
conversations with detectives that Tiffany Williams hung out with an individual named Drew Warren that night.
When we're talking about nicknames, Dro doesn't sound like too far of a stretch from Drew to me.
>> No. >> And then the final thing here Captain is obvious, the obvious. Identify the other
DNA evidence found at the scene. Per reports, I don't know the exact number, but it's been reported heavily
that about a dozen to possibly even as high as two dozen people have submitted their DNA DNA when asked by police.
And we know that the the persons that submitted DNA, they don't match the DNA of the
perpetrators that was found at the crime scene. We also know that that when they
checked it with CODIS, the only two names that came back was Pettaway and Williams.
And they charged both of them. One of them's in prison. >> Right. >> So it's identifying these other sources
of DNA. Now, we know that the DNA didn't come from Alexandrea Kousenau. Do we let her off the hook? Not so fast,
my friend. I think that she could still be on the hook for this and and not have left her
DNA at the scene. Or if she did, they didn't find it at the scene. If she's involved, you're going to need other
persons to turn on her. And police haven't moved off of her fully yet. Uh she's gone on to commit some pretty
terrible crimes or be accused of committing some other possible crimes. >> Well, also in this case, you get too
many people involved, you get people starting to talk just cuz they feel like they're safe or
that law enforcement can't get to them. And the streets will get to you. And we've seen that already happen and
take place in this case. >> Well, and I I want to throw out a challenge to the Lucas County Sheriff's
Department who were the lead on this case. I do think they did a lot of good work in this case.
Uh especially when it came to rounding up some individuals and questioning them. We know that they did good work by
calling in BCI to secure the scene and come up with physical evidence >> Right. >> and forensics in this case
that that ultimately led to an arrest and a conviction. But I don't Here's the thing, Lucas County.
When Sam Williams sits there and he answers all those questions, he talks to you that whole damn time, he
believes I'm smarter than these cops. And you thought that when you told him we found your DNA at the scene
he would crack and he'd sing like a bird, and he didn't. He sat there and he still denied knowing
anybody, denied ever being there. And so we sit here all of these years later and he does look like the smart one.
Because here's where the case stands. The police know, based off of the physical evidence, that other
individuals were there that night and responsible for what happened to these two young people.
They are not locked up. None of those other people are locked up. So, Williams was smarter that day.
And you're letting until you lock up those other individuals, you're letting him win. He's beat you.
Alexander Kuszmaul, who who you interviewed multiple times, and she sits there acting like she's smarter than the
detectives. If she was involved, she outsmarted you. And I'm challenging the Lucas County
Sheriff's Office to solve this case 100% because what they have said publicly, they're talking out of both sides of
their mouths, and I don't like it. In 2021, Mike Navarre, the Lucas County Sheriff,
says to the families publicly, says to the families of Lisa and Johnny that he and his office are committed to getting
justice for their loved ones, to solving this case and bringing all that are responsible
and holding them responsible. That's not happened. We're over 2 years later after that statement. That's not
happened. The other statement that's come out though, Captain? Well, do the genealogy
research on the DNA that you collected at the scene of the of the perpetrators, of the suspects.
And the Lucas County Sheriff's office has said, "We don't have the funds for that. We can't afford to do that."
So, you're going to let the bad guys win over something as silly as money. You know, you you point out to the
public plenty of times these poor kids were killed for $45 or or less than $200 or whatever it was.
You reference money. You reference there not being a safe in the house and maybe
money was the motive. And now we're Now we're referencing money as an excuse that this thing has
not been solved completely. >> Well, it's not just justice for the family or the justice for the victims,
but it's also these are these individuals that were involved in this crime are animals and they need to be
pulled off the streets and not in the society because if they're if they're in society,
there there's a chance that this would happen again to other victims over basically nothing. And
you can't afford the funding? Well, there's organizations that will help you get the funding.
>> This kind of This kind of work, Captain, would take approximately 6 to 8 grand
per profile. So, if there were three other individuals involved, we're talking at most
even conservatively, let's on the higher end, about $25,000 to completely solve this thing. And And here's
that's not a whole lot of money. And I get it. Different counties have different funding for different
investigations and different resources. So, I'm not faulting them for not having
the resources. I'm faulting them for what you just said. Not accepting the help of others that
can help you clear that hurdle of not having the funding. And who were these others individuals? CeCe Moore,
world-renowned genetic genealogist, who publicly offered up her services to Lucas County
to help them solve this mystery of the unknown DNA profiles that were found. To this day, Lucas County's not taken
her up on that offer. We know that she solved some of the some very big high-profile cases in this country.
She's offering to help you with her services, and that's not been taken. So, you don't need funds for CeCe
Moore. >> Right. >> Okay? And then on top of it, Captain points out, yes, there are groups. Okay?
So, we have Toledo Cares, is it advocacy group. It's a community group that works
with law enforcement to assist in bringing justice to murder victims and their families.
They're a pro-police organization in the Toledo community. For the past seven decades, that this isn't just
something that was born 10 minutes ago. Seven decades, they've they've been a part of the Toledo
community. Toledo Cares has agreed to use their considerable local and national connections
to help offer additional resources in this case, in this investigation. And I can tell you this, True Crime Garage,
we have offered our assistance in several other cases. Yes, does a lot of that come through the
Porchlight Project? Of Of But that's several at least three Ohio cases that we've
positively identified DNA through the Porchlight Project. >> Well, we know for a fact that they've
>> of these cases Sorry, in a couple of these cases True Crime Garage damn near funded the whole
entirety of the case. And we're currently working >> Sorry, we're currently working with law
enforcement in an out-of-state case. So, now you have CC Moore, Toledo Cares, True Crime Garage. I know that you have
WTOL, the news station up there that have have continued to broadcast this story even
all of these years later who have attempted to rally the troops and and get the community involved. This
does not have to be Lucas County Sheriff's Office going this alone. This This we've rallied the troops. It's
a whole community that wants to help Lucas County Sheriff's Office solve this thing. And guess what? At the end of the
day, we help you, Lucas County. We help you, Sheriff's Office. And you get to stand up at the podium
and you get to take all of the praise for solving this case once you finally do it.
>> Yeah, and when the crew >> [clears throat] >> And when the Crispy Colonel is saying
True Crime Garage, it's not just the Colonel and the Captain, it's all the amazing listeners
that have donated to the Porchlight Project. And if we if they came to us and said, "Well, it's
going to be this much money." We'd do a call to action and we know that we have the the support of the listeners that
would raise that money and then justice would be served not just for the victims
and the families, but for that community and for the whole state of Ohio. The Beer Fund has put many a cold beer
in the old garage fridge, but it's also sent a lot of dollars to the National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children. It's provided a canine dog a canine officer for a jurisdiction a sheriff's department down in the great
state of Florida. It's identified several victims and suspects and perpetrators of crimes through the Porch
Light Project and as said we're now working with law enforcement on an out-of-state case as well. So
every dollar counts and we're making sure that it counts and it doesn't just go to the the garage fridge all the
time. Look, anybody with information in this case, please come forward. There are
still some puzzle pieces that need to be sorted out in this case. I believe it's
very solvable. We've pointed out the reasons why it's solvable and how it can be solved. So if you have information
and this is one thing we need to talk about here just briefly before we let everybody go here Captain. Is it when
you have a homicide investigation, time is a detective's enemy in the early stages of the
investigation. Time was certainly the enemy for detectives in this case as well. Had they had that DNA evidence
days or a couple weeks after the murders rather than eight months later, they may
have had a different line of questioning when they were talking to all these individuals.
Time is the enemy for a case when it's fresh, when it's new. Cold cases, time is a detective's friend. And that
is because people change, lifestyles change, living situations change. People may not be afraid of somebody
today that they were afraid of in 2011 or 2012. >> Right. >> And one thing that has changed
significantly in this case, a very violent dangerous individual Samuel Williams, is locked up for good.
They threw away the damn key. He ain't getting out. So, if he was stopping or his presence or the fear of Sam Williams
was stopping you or preventing you from talking before, you don't have to worry about him no
more. You can go to the police, and you can tell them, "Look, this is why I didn't
come forward because I was afraid for my life." Nobody's going to blame you for that now.
So, if anybody out there has information, please come forward. Please tell us what you know. Please call Crime
Stoppers at 419-255-1111, or you can call the Detectives Bureau at 419-213-4917.
Or, if you don't want to talk to law enforcement, you can reach out to True Crime Garage. Our contact information is
on our website. You can also reach out to a person that was very valuable in helping us put together this case. His
name is Brian Dugger. He's somebody that True Crime Garage worked with on the Nancy Eagleson case. He's a brilliant
investigative reporter for WTOL, and you can reach Brian at b.dugger@wtol.com. >> [music]
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Original Release: 10-11-2023

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In early 2011 near Toledo, Ohio a home invasion became a double homicide investigation. This was a night that shook an entire community. What happened that night? Why were these two victims seemingly targeted? Who could do something this heinous and evil to two people that were so young. This case can still be solved. Join Nic & Captain in the Garage and find out how. If you know any information about the murders of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke please call Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111, or the Lucas County Detective’s Bureau at 419-213-4917, or reach out to reporter Brian Dugger at bdugger@wtol.com

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Hollywood Ripper case, focusing on suspects, DNA evidence, and ongoing investigations into the double homicide of Johnny Clark and Lisa Straub.

Key points

The Role of Anthony Watson. Anthony Watson is a key figure in the investigation, with conflicting accounts about his whereabouts.
Alex Kouzena: The Common Denominator. Alex is identified as a key figure connecting various persons of interest in the murder case.
DNA Evidence Links Suspects. Investigators find DNA from two male profiles at the crime scene, leading to arrests.
Samuel Todd Williams Arrested. Samuel Todd Williams is arrested months after the murders, initially unaware of the charges against him.
Alibi Under Scrutiny. Samuel Williams claims he was at a bar during the time of the murders, but evidence contradicts this.
Sam Williams Found Guilty. After a four-day trial, Sam Williams is convicted of two counts of murder and sentenced to life without parole.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

"This is not a solved case that we are talking about here today.".

Acknowledgment of the ongoing investigation.

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