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I know what that means it's good fudge I got I gotcha I got some you know some treats for the garage and
go start printing Donuts every week no I'm beer and donuts try the fudge I'm obese no you're not the funny thing it's
a funny thing that you mentioned fudge because I know you and I are drinking buddies but there's this thing called uh
snack buddies and what that has to do with is the monster of Florence case Okay so
there was this interesting article and it's quite lengthy I thought when I discovered this I thought I would
bring it here to the garage today captain and read it to you but it's very lengthy so I think I'll just kind of
tell you what it's about so at the end of May an article came out in a magazine called Tempe it's a
Italian magazine and also an article in a newspaper over there that I believe once translated the the title of the
newspaper would be called the journal I thought you're going to say the jerk well it's called The Jerk the
interesting thing about this these articles that came out and they're one in the same from my understanding
is a case that we covered about a year ago the monster of Florence which is one of my
one of the cases that fascinates me the most as far as unknown serial killers you know who could this person be who is
the monster of Florence well the this article claims to have knowledge of who the notorious serial killer is and the
crazy thing is they refer to this man as Ulysses and okay apparently why is that a real
name so it's it's my understanding is not a real name that it's just some kind of
code name and I don't know if this is a code name that this person gave themselves or if
or if the the person that did the interview came up with this name right does that Alias so I'm going to call
this individual uh you Ulysses throughout the article the crazy thing though is this Ulysses person was
actually referenced in the actual investigation for the monster of Florence so the way that this goes down
now I want everybody to uh I need you Captain to understand that I'm kind of at the mercy of whoever translated this
newspaper article because when you look it up it's it's an Italian magazine an Italian newspaper so when you go to look
it up it's in Italian now there's been some people that have translated it to English and I do
question if something's got Lost in Translation let's say um but mind you I'm giving you
information but I'm at the mercy of that whoever translated this article all right well let's dive into this but
these uh we covered monster of Florence an episode uh 124 and 125. so if you're not familiar with the case you might
want to check those out uh before you continue to listen so the way that the way that I understand this is that this
Ulysses guy was having a phone conversation with a biographer the biographer wants to write
a biography about this Ulysses guy in his life so at some point during these talks
this Ulysses guy tells the biographer I Am The Monster of Florence and not only am am I the monster of Florence I'm
also the Zodiac Killer um what so say what so so let's break this down because it it actually it could be it is
it is physically possible because so the the first Monster of Florence killing attack this was 1968 and there
were two victims and then we have the Zodiac victims which was from 1968 December of 1968
through October of 1969. now there are some people that claim that there are additional zodiac victims but these are
considered uh David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen yeah are considered by most kind of agreed upon by all that
the that is the first uh zodiac killing there is some thought that maybe that Sherry Joe Bates I believe was her name
that she might be in fact the first zodiac uh victim right but physically possible seeing that the first Monster
killings would have been August of 68 right then you have the Zodiac killings from 60 from December 68 through October
69 and then it's not until 1974 that the monster of Florence starts killing again
in Italy right so he there's a little break uh after the one in 68. and I mentioned snack friends or snacking
friends and this is where I question a bit of the translation um that that I've been able to come
across because the there's an article that once translated refers to snack buddies as
being guilty as the monster of Florence meaning it was like thunder buddies well
it was meaning that it was a group of guys and I believe one of them was uh tried for it and I I believe he was
sentenced and then released later they determined that he couldn't be the monster of Florence because he goes away
to prison and the monster continues to kill so the reason why I question the translation though is this this American
article refers to it as snack buddies and and we covered monster of Florence and during that trial what the man
referred to him and his group as were picnicking friends which I could see in a loose translation it's similar but
it's not the same so well listen I mean you know to not to debunk the theory but
it's very similar to like Andy Kaufman and how he would dress up as Tony Clifton uh and Bob's
Buddha sabuda I think it's his name um when Andy passed away Bob then became Clifton Tony Clifton so
no but that was putrefied but my my my point here is that if these were snack buddies or picnic uh picnic comrades
right um they would one would go to jail and one could would continue um the killings and by continuing it
then then people would start thinking that the person that's in jail we got the wrong guy
yeah and that's certainly a possibility and here's the thing you know I and I do this too you know so
I don't want to sound like I'm condemning anybody here but oh God I tend to do this myself I think
sometimes we romanticize some of these serial killers and they're I think there was a there
was a lot of thought so the the picnicking friends or snack buddies whatever you want to call them
they're often referred to as this kind of group of bumbling idiots um they're the wet Bandits yeah and so
there were a lot of people that when they put this dude on trial and when this stuff started to come out
through the course of actual investigation people were going wait a second this monster of Florence should be somebody
it should be like a Hannibal Lecter type like some brilliant uncatchable serial killer that goes around and he can just
do whatever the hell he wants because he's smarter than the police he he can outwit them
um now this new article would certainly Point towards uh what some people might determine to be a more
deserving character of this actual identity of the monster of Florence and it being somebody that would be the
Zodiac as well so they don't tell you who Ulysses is in the article it sounds to me like the biographer
knows obviously knows the this Man's real name I don't know what they are doing with
this information but I know that he is it sounds like he's working with investigators it also sounds like okay
the person that wrote the article is working with the investigators right not Ulysses right
so it sounds like Ulysses is an American that he is ex-us military an American citizen who at some point moved to
Florence OR to Tuscany well and it could have been stationed out there you know yeah
um but according to this article he he did the Zodiac killings then moved to Italy
Okay so the the crazy thing here is the because people were like well you got to back
this up you can't just say you had a phone call with I mean I could call somebody and go guess what
I'm the monster of Florence I'm the Zodiac Killer I'm Santa Claus and I'm the Easter bunny as well I'm very busy
you do kind of look like Santa Claus but uh the problem with that is you weren't
born in 68 so right and so this biographer kind of backs up the information by saying look using
information that this Ulysses provided to me I was able to uh solve some of the previously unsolved
ciphers that were sent by the Zodiac oh nice I'm just a reminder I mean I I used to I
blew up one of the ciphers and put it on my desk when I was working at the bank you know because you have the glass
cover on your desk right and every time somebody sit down they'd go what's that I go nothing pay no attention to that
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain the the this Ulysses character though one thing that I find fascinating
and strange is that he also hints to the biographer that um the other people are aware
that he is the monster of Florence and the crazy thing like I said was this Ulysses name came up during the course
of the investigation and I believe it was uh Vianney it was a guy that we talked about quite
a bit in the um right and that's in the monster of Florence but did Ulysses ever come up as far as the
Zodiac I mean I understand that it's a fictitious name but I'm just no um but we got to keep in mind that that
Ulysses comes up in the monster of Florence investigation and they would only be questioning these people about
the monster of Florence these people even though they might know him as the monster they may not know that he was or
claims to be the Zodiac as well right and so it's from what I understand is this Vianney uh
apacheani who we talking I think I have his name right now it's pretty good I think he he references
this Ulysses at some point and I think this was way back in 2005 when he was being investigated I don't know or
remember exactly what he said about this Ulysses character but keep in mind this is when they were under the
impression that the monster was a group of men right so they could have thought he was just
using Ulysses as as a nickname or some kind of code name for somebody that they were already aware of right it sounds to
me like this actual Ulysses guy is it has nothing to do with these these men right right it's a lone lone gunman so I
did a little uh now keep in mind like I said this is this is all somebody else's
article but from my understanding Captain what what I think makes this more interesting to me is that
what I've seen online I have people there are uh Italian people that have said that the journal and this Tempe
magazine are not they're not like you know like our National Enquirer right you know there's
dollars or anything right they're not some kind of tabloid [ __ ] this is more like the New York Times or right
we're not just throwing out juicy um you know slanderous things gossip man yes that's the words
the crazy thing though Captain to me is it you have this they're they're actually similar crimes when you think
about it when you if you take away the Paul Stein killing of the zodiac so the Zodiac killed Paul Stein who was a taxi
cab driver he hired him to drive him to a location he shoots him and then he flees the taxi
cab but with the exception of the murder of Paul Stein these are similar cases in the sense
that we're talking about people you know a couple you know boy and girl man and woman gunned down inside their vehicle
as they parked in a you know a Lover's Lane type situation so very similar in in style and in motive I guess
so there there's a possibility for you the other thought too is there's a there's an unsolved Cipher out there and
it's the one it's the my name is cipher and to be clear the Zodiac sent ciphers to newspapers uh
to one reporter in particular Paul Avery I think was received some communication
from the zodiac and the monster of Florence does not send ciphers to investigators or to newspapers or
anything like that right but so when we have possibly because he's English speaking
and thought you know that would be a kind of giveaway when we are referencing ciphers we're talking about the Zodiac
so there's one unsolved Cipher the the my name is cipher and there's one that you know we have that information that
that message this is this is the Zodiac speaking by the way have you cracked the
last Cipher I sent you my name is well we're provided with the number of letters that this Cipher
claims to give the Zodiac's name when you look at it you have no clue if it's going to be you know is he just
saying I'm going to give you my last name or I'm going to give you my first name I'm going to give you my first and
last name and looking at this captain the number of letters that are provided you could you could spell out the name
and here's a name for you Joe belvlik Q all right so let me let me spell this out so Joe everybody knows the the name
Joe but the last name would be b e v i l a c q this is my mother's maiden name and I
swear to you this morning when I was eating Raisin Bran before I got my car to join you here I could say that name
perfectly fine when I was sitting at the kitchen table but now that I'm in the garage not possible it's because you had
a healthy breakfast so your brain was working correctly why does this name mean anything at all okay so
well no I it's not just totally random that I came up with this name um so there's a guy
and his name is guyzepi and then that last name b-e-v-i-l-a-c-q-u-e well why is he important he is important
because he was the director of a cemetery in Florence this was at the time when the French
couple was murdered and they were killed just 300 yards from his home so I'm wondering if this guy this Joe
guy once he gets to Italy he's now gazeppi with the same last name this guy is an American we know he that
he is in an American so I was just trying to figure out who could this article be talking about when they call
this guy Ulysses and if so is there any tie to him to the actual one of the cases
for all we know he could for some for this to be true Captain it doesn't necessarily mean that this guy
has to be both the Zodiac and the monster of Florence he could be just the monster of Florence or he could just be
the Zodiac right he could be completely hasn't lost his marbles all right because it seems a little weird that he
would be telling this biographer now I want to do I do want to clear this up from my understanding this happened over
the course of many conversations it wasn't like he just rang him on the phone and immediately admitted to being
the most notorious serial killer Italy ring ring ring ring ring hello uh yeah I'm doing a uh article for my
paper are you the Zodi are you the Zodiac so yeah that might have went down that
quick you don't know I we have no proof that it didn't the crazy thing though here's what if he was
drunk and he just caught him at the right time and he was like who's this oh yeah
I killed some people here's where my mind goes back to the Raisin Bran one I believe
and I've always kind of had the suspicion that whoever the zodiac is or or was let's say he's not even still
alive but I always believed and if he's not alive uh and he passed away slowly or of
old age then he would have had control of this but if he died in like a car accident or if he was shot or you know
some circumstance that he couldn't prevent then this still could be true I've always thought with the amount of
communication that the Zodiac sent to newspapers and to law enforcement that at some point this dude would want
credit let's say for being the Zodiac I agree with you on that just just like BTK what we learned from him as much as
he still wanted to be a husband and a father right I think he on some level wanted the credit he wanted to come out
of the closet let's say and go look all these years I fooled you guys I am BTK I
am this smart monster that fooled and terrified all of you at all and then somebody that's capable of doing uh the
Zodiac plus the monster of Florence to he could have came out to this paper and said okay I'm going to give you all this
information I'm going to give you a breadcrumb but uh just hypothetically speaking guy could be sick knows he only
has six months to a year left so I'm going to give you all this information and by the time it takes you to figure
out the other pieces of the puzzle as I give you more pieces and and now as investigators get involved if you catch
me before I die I'm going to die anyways so it could be something of that nature
if he in fact were able to provide answers that would ultimately solve the unsolvable ciphers sent from the Zodiac
that might be good enough for me to believe that he is in fact the Zodiac I think if if memory serves me correct
Captain I don't think there was any DNA regarding the the Zodiac case because I wonder if there's touch DNA of some kind
now I mean because that that technology wasn't around back then well and you have so Golden State killer is is caught
by this um you know people figuring out their their ancestry right and so there was some thought that cases
like the Zodiac and would be next you know we do know that he sent mailings a lot so did he lick any of those stamps
right but I couldn't find in all the years that I've read about zodiac and he's one of those guys that no matter
who covers it where and when I I listen I read I watch I've never come across anyone ever
saying that there is DNA on the Zodiac right now I bet you they have some form of DNA of
DNA on the monster of Florence if that in fact was investigated and treated properly if they knew to do that at the
time but you got to keep in mind monster Florence those those span over a decade those
killings so where they might not have known to do that in 68 and they wouldn't know to do it in 74 is there a chance
that in 84 and 85 when he killed again and these were very violent attacks these were different than the Zodiac
killings zodiac seems to me like he walked up to the door to near the car boom boom boom you know shoots the man
shoots the woman and then flees that's how a couple of those go down the Lake Berryessa murders are quite different in
the sense that he snuck up on the two in the park and ties them up and then stabs
them right so very up close and personal the monster attacks if it was in fact one guy that did all of the monster
attacks they kind of they were much more involved meaning that they you know remove parts of the
woman um would remove things from the vehicle after shooting the couple there was a
couple times where a man or a woman escaped you know they they got out of the vehicle and took off fleeing and the
monster had to track them down on foot and hunt them like an like an animal is it the same caliber of gun
in because I wonder if they could do a ballistic test you know in in the Zodiac and the monster of Florence and if they
could connect them it doesn't have to be every uh all the victims it could have had different guns for different attacks
but if you could just link one of the zodiac with one of the monster of Florence uh attacks ballistically then
that that's pretty solid right there so I don't think that that's going to be the case
um I do know that the same weapon was used in all of the Monster Florence attacks uh it was a 22 Beretta
and the reason why I say I don't think that that's going to be the case is I don't think this man
he may not have had the means to be able to travel with a weapon well if he's being transferred um
you know by if he's in um the Army and he's being transferred you'd think that he would have
you know maybe there's a possibility that they'd be able to carry a gun right right but not everybody would and
so one I don't know that he would have the means to do that regardless of his position two
the thing is I the way that this sounds the way that this article reads is that this is not a conversation that
this biographer had a week ago you know even though this article came out you know at the end of May
it sounds like these conversations took place in 2017. he's probably provided a certain amount of information two
investigators already so a quick check of that would have been to look up what kind of uh uh weapon was used by the
Zodiac and I actually think the Zodiac killings were from my understanding if I if again if
memory serves me correct I think there was something interesting about the either the ammunition used or the gun
that was used I think that there's almost something to suggest there that maybe the Zodiac
manipulated the anima ammunition in some for some form I have put down just put down the booze and
walk away slowly let's put it down and walk away you also wonder have to wonder how much of an
ability would this man have to go back and forth from California to Italy you know even
even if you could find something that you go all right well these seem to have happened too close together or there's
crimes going on in Italy at this time and then stuff going on with the Zodiac in California over here right they can't
be the same killer um one one thing that would kind of Point toward that a little bit would be
um this deal with the 1968 case uh you know one being in August of 68 in Italy and one being in
December of 68 in California but like you said who knows could he have been stationed overseas could this repeat
that so the first attack happened when and where in August the first monster attack as I said
earlier was August of 1968. and the first zodiac well again what a lot of people consider to be the first
zodiac killing was December of 68. right so you are in Florence because you are stationed somewhere close
um you're stationed over there you commit this crime and then uh the Army sends you back home for a week or two
for for a Christmas vacation when you commit a crime over there well you have to
wonder too what is the moving that's a big move to move from one country to another to move
from California to Italy what does the move have to do with your career as a killer you know is it is it just
is it something like okay I feel like they're on to me here I feel like they're catching up with me and I'm
going to flee and I'm going to go move here and I'll kind of pick up where I left off
or is it just kind of happenstance is it is it are you a killer first and it had
nothing to do with them getting close to you or you getting nervous it's just hey
I've always wanted to retire and move to Italy so I'm retiring moving to Italy and I I'm a killer that's what I do so
I'll just do that here yeah or this idea that you know you you commit a crime now you're committing on
a crime on individual that you necessarily don't really know the victim or maybe spent some time stalking the
victim we don't know that for sure but this is a random victim so what better thing to do is one not be a resident you
know or quote unquote resident you commit this crime then you leave go to a different country so even if the if
investigators start trying to connect the dots if the dots even came close to you you're already gone
so and then you can kind of monitor the situation from afar now that would have been a lot harder to do without the
internet and stuff like that but it's you know still possible so according to this article I guess
this Ulysses guy states that he was living in Northern California in Santa Rosa during the time of several of the
zodiac crimes which actually would have put him somewhat close to those crime scenes as well
Captain I back to the thought you know we were going somewhere with this thought of I believe the Zodiac
would want credit right where the monster seems a little different to me in the sense that I
never felt like the monster wanted credit for or wanted the world to know that he was
the monster of Florence right but I always felt like so the monster did communicate with the public or with
investigators on a couple of occasions and how did they do that um he sent notes to I believe one
instance he sent a note with a body part to the prosecutor or the prosecutor's assistant how how long are these notes
though um they're not long they're they're short notes if I re I'm going off a memory remember we covered this case a
year ago um I think they were short notes but but ciphers in in in my humble opinion the
Zodiac messages were much different than the monster Florence messages and where
I'm going with this is is that I see I see a difference between the two personalities one of the Zodiac Zodiac
who would want credit for being the Zodiac would want the world to know I am the zodiac
the monster however the only from my understanding the times that he would communicate with the
investigators or with the public was when somebody else was going was being fingered as the monster
so where what I'm getting with this is the monster doesn't want to stand out in front of the world and say I am the
monster of Florence the monster in my opinion doesn't want credit for being the monster however he doesn't want
anybody else to get credit for being the monster as well yeah but I think the the
funny thing is that um I believe this Theory or this article kind of clears that up pretty simply I mean simply
stated that the Zodiac we believe this is a American man so what is his native language he'd be English speaking so
he'd contact the police through you know writing English letters and the ciphers
or English letters and so you commit these crimes over there and like I said if you're sending
um letters in English wouldn't that be kind of a giveaway well you're going under the assumption
that he would move to another country and not adapt to their language uh you know what I mean it would be it'd be
pretty obvious that it's an American that it's an or an English-speaking person if you sent those letters in
English right but right but what I'm also saying it's also kind of a tell if somebody is
um kind of generic in their knowledge of a foreign language as well right or not
using things correctly right like you know you know to be able to speak a little Spanish is is different than
being able to write a whole letter you know I mean I think anybody that has taken foreign language kind of
understands that you kind of you develop slowly and it becomes um it takes a long time to get to the
point where you're kind of writing fluent you know right I it's almost like you can speak it before you can actually
then make it make make it make sense on paper and obviously the the but that's why I'm wondering if they're short
letters because then you go okay well this person could have been able to put together
those simple uh letters for police and I could be wrong as stating that they're short but
I don't I don't recall them being of great length right neither do I but the the uh the thing here to me is
I wonder because the Zodiac to me what was what was his ritual what was uh maybe signature uh I get those confused
from time to time when we're talking about these serial killers but the thing that he had to do the thing that the
Zodiac had to do is much some is very similar to BTK where he they had to communicate with the
police or with the public they had to that that wasn't something that they could set aside
it was that portion of what they were doing was almost more important to them than the killing because communicating
with the police or the public is not something that that was necessary to do to carry out your fantasy of your sexual
fantasies or your fantasy of murder all you're doing by communicating with the police or the public is risking
you're putting yourself in a much higher risk of getting caught you're opening up yourself to them being
able to decipher some things about your personality words you choose to use where you could be from
yeah so the Zodiac to me has always been one of those weird situations where I feel
like he's very much like Dennis Rader in the sense that he's somebody that wants
credit that he wants to stand up in front of the world and go look I am the zodiac
but these communications did stop why did they stop was it because he moved to Italy or did something happen to the
Zodiac well again if you move to Italy I mean now you have to how are you going to get this uh
you can't send him a letter from Florence that's going to be a dead giveaway this is the Zodiac speaking
um hello from Italy right this is the zodiac all over well but the cipher like you said I mean you could you could
almost test this uh Ulysses character and say look we here's the ciphers that haven't been solved and what do they
mean and why yeah I think the thing that you're overlooking which you know I hate to you know make you
feel bad about yourself but you're overlooking something really important I mean we know who the zodiac is
oh see yeah but you're making a joke that nobody's going to be able to follow along with Oh Come well no because
there's the new Ed Edwards uh documentary people might have seen it I I haven't got a
chance to see it yet so hopefully maybe uh once I watch that I'll let you know if
it's good so because I'd like to talk about that sometime well just to mention what you're referencing there so we
don't totally lose out on the conversation so Ed Edwards is a he is a convicted serial killer he is somebody that's dead
he died in prison I don't remember the year but there's a gentleman out there that
believes that basically to put it to sum it up as simple as I possibly can it's almost like any unsolved serial
killer case is Ed Edwards it was guilty of that meaning like the Zodiac for one it was in fact Ed Edwards well let's let
me look this up so it looks like uh uh the documentary is called it was him okay because it wasn't the book called
It's me yeah so they probably couldn't use that so there was a but did Cold Case Cameron
did he work on this documentary that's coming in yeah the cast is Wayne Woofy and uh John Cameron which is
Cold Case Cameron and it looks like there's season one okay uh and it looks like
there's maybe six episodes what channel is it going to be on Netflix this well right now it just says
available on YouTube oh and which I have YouTube Red so but it says 199. so the book was called it's me and the
documentary that appears to be a season uh docu-series is called it was him right uh look I do here I'll agree with
Cold Case Cameron on one thing I do think Ed Edwards probably committed some very terrible crimes if not in fact
murders that that he was not convicted of I just don't know that he was the Zodiac
so why does Cold Case Cameron the the the without having read his book I should I should say that I've not read
the book right because in all fairness to to Cameron before I try to pick his theory apart oh no I think I I look uh I
think um Cold Case Cameron is a very intelligent guy I think he makes giant leaps he there there are connection
points so I mean the the main thing is the the attack that went down in the park with the couple that survived and
the Zodiac said that he spent time in a certain prison in Montana yeah so I think that's the I think
that's the prison but um but this uh you know and he said it was a couple years ago uh
this would have lined up with the same time that Ed Edwards was in that same prison so there is a connection and but
what happens with Cold Case Cameron is he takes that one connection and then he goes through these other
connections now in the Zodiac there's more connections because Ed Edwards was also a Lover Lane type killer so that
AdWords Theory as far as the Zodiac goes there's at least two connection points there you know similar style killings
and you're right it was the the couple that was attacked at Lake Berryessa he ties up the the boy I say boy but they
were young they were younger than me the young man and the young woman and as he's tying them up he tells them look he
references something to have served time in this specific prison in Montana and we know that the Zodiac said that
because the young the young man survives the the attack the young woman does not
but the young man says look this is how he talked this is how he was kind of a stocky guy uh he was about this height
and he said this to me did she die at the scene or did she live for a while they were um not
they were both stabbed repeatedly and I believe that if I I believe that he phoned in he being the zodiac
phoned in this attack and they were found there tied up and stabbed and I think uh I I I she may have died when they
were transporting her right or she was dead when upon arrival I don't remember but
you know what's weird and I don't know that we got into this during the BTK discussion
but one thing that was weird you know I I believe that a lot of these serial killers that they kind of learn
from one another and it's interesting that the Zodiac says as he's tying them up and I think he says
to them look I just need your keys and your wallet and I'm gonna get it I'm gonna Escape
convict I need keys in your wallet because I'm going to take your car because I'm gonna travel somewhere right
and BTK would say almost the exact same thing to his victims as he was tying them up trying to put them at ease
stating that look if you just let me if you just cooperate let me tie you up I just need to tie up so I have some time
to get away and I'm going to steal your food your money and your car and I'm driving out of this state well on a
point that would probably go against Cold Case Cameron is the idea when you think about what the BTK is saying now
maybe he just stole that from the Zodiac but what better thing to do is to say not you know Not only was I locked up
but I was locked up here right and you were never locked up and if you're never locked up then just the time and the
effort that the okay we have a convicted felon or convicted whatever that spent some time in this jail and we think he
now might be the Zodiac now you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of inmates you're talking about
so many man hours for the cops to have to go through and process so um is it is it possible that the Zodiac
was just completely bullshitting just like BDK was yeah but where I was going with that was
I feel like Dennis Rader was stealing that from the Zodiac he's right right he's he's looking at a situation where
it worked and he's like you know what I I'm going to I need something to calm these people down
so I can get them bind them that's the most important thing to me is binding them just like I said with zodiac most
important thing to him seems to be the communication the communication afterwards these are both things that
aren't necessary to The Killing but they're necessary to the fantasy of their serial killing career let's call
it for a lack of a better term yeah no I totally believe that I mean I think a lot of these killers too I mean
even in the mass murdering case of like um a new town we saw that uh that perpetrator then set
there and made a list and basically kind of you know statistics on the different Killers to
almost almost in a way to study all of those and to see where they can try to put themselves on the list so I
definitely think that stuff's happening but also I you know you're going to find
this conversation that I had with a William Ramsey pretty interesting he's a author of many books
um probably most famous for Abomination uh case study on The West Memphis Three but we were talking and his theory on
the smiley face Killers even more in depth on that idea of learning from other Killers well here's the thing you
know Joel Rifkin so Joel Rifkin killed prostitutes and working girls in New York
okay and he was arrested for this and he said that when he would he had these sexual fantasies these murderous sexual
fantasies from a young age and when he got a little bit older I don't know if it was like if he was like 20 I don't
know if he had killed by this point but he said he picked up a book about the Green River Killer
and he goes look everybody else reads this book and it's a fascinating Manhunt how do we catch the Green River Killer
he goes somebody like me reads this book it's a how-to book it's a how to get away and how to be a serial killer and
get away with it I get to read this book about this guy that's doing all these horrible things guess what his
victimology is almost the same as mine and he's gone all these years without getting caught well yeah but I can use
some things from from that book [Music] [Applause]

Off The Record /// Monster of Florence and the Zodiac

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Brief Summary

A man claims to be both the Monster of Florence and the Zodiac Killer, sparking discussion about their connection and implications.

Key points

The Monster of Florence Revealed. A new article claims to identify the notorious serial killer as 'Ulysses'.
Translation Doubts. The speaker questions the accuracy of translations regarding the killer's identity.
Zodiac Killer Connection. The alleged killer claims to be both the Monster of Florence and the Zodiac Killer.
Zodiac's Communication. Discussion of the Zodiac's need for recognition and how it contrasts with the Monster's behavior.
The Monster vs. Zodiac. Exploring the differences between the Zodiac and the Monster of Florence, including their motivations and communication styles.
Potential Connections. Speculation on whether the Zodiac could have been Ed Edwards and the implications of such a theory.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I Am The Monster of Florence and also the Zodiac Killer.

4:18WatchSep 8, 2023

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