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aggravated robbery. You know what I mean? Killing somebody. >> Yeah, but I heard this wasn't just
killing somebody. You know what I'm saying? I heard this wasn't just running up to him, shooting
him and leaving, you know what I'm saying? >> No. So, >> This is somebody that >> This is a killer. It's a killer, you
know what I'm saying? It's a bad [ __ ] person, you know? Whoever did this is is
a you >> whoever did this went there with the intent to kill somebody or do you think
they were there looking for something and something went bad and went too far? >> It depends what story is true. It
depends if if the story that I heard is true. >> What did you hear? >> I heard that they um
What I hear all the details about that I've heard they got shot in the back of the head. I heard they got strangled. I
heard they got Lisa's fingernails got ripped off. I heard um yeah, I heard all Lisa's
fingernails were ripped off. They tortured her. I heard her head was almost severed off. I heard they got one
shot in the back of I heard a whole bunch of different stories. You know, I mean, if they really pulled her
fingernails off and almost severed her head off, they were coming there to kill them.
You know what I'm saying? They weren't coming there >> All right, what if I told you that her
fingernails weren't torn off and her head wasn't head wasn't severed? >> So that's that's [ __ ]
>> Well, I'm not saying anything. I'm saying what >> And why were they Did they get shot or
did they get suffocated? You know what I'm saying? >> Well, what the the coroner already
reported how they died. >> it in the paper. Died of six asphyxiation. >> That's that's yeah, I yeah.
>> Right? >> Yeah, [ __ ] >> So did you hear anything about anybody getting shot?
>> I well I when it first happened I heard they got execution style in the back of
the head. You know what I'm saying? That's what I the first story I heard. >> [music]
[music] >> Autopsies are performed on both of our victims. Young adults, 21-year-old
Johnny Clark, 20-year-old Lisa Straub. The autopsies, Captain, were conducted by a Dr. Pandy. He's a deputy coroner
and forensic pathologist with the Lucas County Coroner's Office. The doctor notes their injuries and
describes the manner in which the two had been bound. He declares the cause of death for both victims to be
asphyxiation due to strangulation and suffocation. But, he is not able to confirm a
specific time of death nor the order in which they died. Evidence is also collected from items of
clothing that is worn by our two victims. And of note, Captain, we have DNA that is found on Johnny's
sweatpants. Pandy states that Lisa's toxicology report showed that she had therapeutic
levels of Vicodin and Percocet in her system. While Johnny's toxicology report showed he had minute levels of Percocet
in his system and the presence of marijuana in his urine. There are sources out there, several, that report
that both were known to have been casual and recreational drug users. This throws
a whole 'nother wrench into our set of circumstances here in trying to determine
who is responsible for killing these two young individuals. >> Yeah, because that could become a
motive. And just to be clear to the listeners, the the clip that you guys heard in the trailer today was a a clip from
an interrogation of Anthony Watson. >> That's correct. >> And he is basically telling law enforcement
about a lot of the rumors that he heard. And obviously, in a very small town that is connected to a larger city,
there's going to be a lot of rumors when it comes to a double homicide. >> Yeah, and he's, from my understanding,
Captain, he's a little older than Johnny and may have been an associate of Johnny's. He's
a bit of a thug or at least has a very even violent at times police background. He does seem, We've watched the entirety
of that interview, and he does seem rather forthcoming with the detective. Now, I don't want to go as far to say
that he is a suspect or not a suspect. In my opinion, what I do know is he was a suspect in the opinions of the
police detectives. >> Well, again, when you have a autopsy that shows that these individuals were
drug users, that creates a whole 'nother level of possible motives. You know, it's because
people that do use drugs sometimes purchase large amounts of drugs. And so then when you
have a situation where you have evidence or possible evidence that somebody goes into this house and kills these two
individuals, but is clearly looking for something. >> Clearly. And that's that becomes another
issue for the investigation. Because as we touched on yesterday and talked about, there was that rumor that was
going around within some of these social circles that Johnny had either bragged that there was
a a safe in the Strob family home that may have contained large amounts of cash.
>> Right. >> And then the other version of that same rumor is that the Strobs had a lot of
money. Okay, so look, if we're going to bring drugs into this, I want to be clear about something here.
And this you can test this theory all day and night if you want. Come at me if you
will. But here's the deal. When drug addicts are involved, they a lot of them, some of them, the violent
ones, will do anything and go by any means necessary to get those drugs. Drugs take top priority for some of
these individuals over money. Number one and number lives. Right. Number one and number two priority for
that type of Look, we're not talking about everybody. We're not talking about all drug addicts. We're talking about a
very specific small sample size of these individuals. Violent individuals, most of them with police backgrounds, with a
record, with a history of violence. Those individuals, what we're talking about here is priority number one, and
just like the captain pointed out, priority over your life and my life, priority number one is drugs.
>> Yeah. >> Priority number two is money. Why is money priority number two? >> Cuz they can get drugs.
>> They're going to use it to get drugs. And how do we know that priority number
two is money? Because they always trade money for drugs. So, the thing here is now you got to
wonder if they are recreational users, do we have a couple of other possible motives? One, did somebody believe that
they could find a large quantity of drugs inside the home? I don't think that there's anything in Johnny's
background or Lisa's background to suggest that people would expect to find large quantities of drugs in a home that
doesn't even belong to either of these individuals. It belongs to Lisa Strob's parents.
>> No, I I I understand that, but I The reason why I wanted to be clear on where this audio clip was coming from
and to point out rumors. Lisa's family has a lot of money. Play the telephone game. That that turns
into Oh, yeah, I I bet they have a safe with a bunch of money. That turns into somebody thinking that's fact.
Or hey, you know, I heard Johnny and Lisa were going to have some people over on Saturday night, so they bought a lot
of drugs for their party. I mean, it's not that hard for these stupid rumors in in a small town to get started.
>> Well, and one thing I want to be clear of, too, is one thing that we're going to see as we
get further into the suspects and to the where the investigation and evidence starts to direct law enforcement
is to Toledo. Not to Holland. Okay? And to some of the people in Toledo, Holland is considered upper
class. >> Right. >> And like you're pointing out here, Captain, is when you take somebody from
lower class and you put them inside the home or tell them about this home of Lisa Straub's parents who are doing well
for themselves, they go, "Oh, yeah, they got money. Yeah, I've seen their house." Or, "Oh,
I've heard about it, they got money." They And it doesn't take a whole lot to imply that to somebody that comes from
another side of the tracks. And what we're going to consistently see in this case, in this investigation,
that all most, if not all, of those suspects are going to come from that other side of the tracks, if you will.
>> Right. >> And so, now what we have going on here, Captain, is we have two good kids. Look,
Lisa didn't have any money. She works at TGI Fridays. Nothing wrong with that, I
was a server, I was a bartender for a long time. Good job. >> Still sometimes serves people.
>> I enjoy it. And Johnny was getting ready to go to school. >> Right. >> And I'm not I'm unclear, he may have
been between jobs at this time. School was going to be one of his main focus. And unfortunately,
you know, when we have a funeral, it usually happens just days after one passes away.
Johnny was supposed to start school to be a barber to he wanted to open up a barber shop and own a small business.
>> Yeah. >> On that day that he was supposed to start school, instead it was his
funeral. So, that's how close he was to we we talk about advancing ourselves in life.
That's how close he was. If if you want to say he had a drug problem and you know Johnny, fine. I didn't know him.
What what the evidence tells me is exactly what's reported in by most of these sources, that he had a
recreational use problem and that he may have been working his way out of it. >> Yeah, and I can't throw shade on anybody
because, you know, I I've had my vices in the past. >> Well, and they're kids. They're 20 and
21. >> Yeah, so a lot of that time is it's a experimental phase. >> I got about 2 and 1/2 years that I can't
even remember and it happened [laughter] in that same time period that we just talked about at my age.
>> Well, we remember cuz we all tell the stories. >> Yeah, I was like uh like like Joe Walsh.
>> [laughter] >> For about 2 years, 2 and 1/2 years. >> Yeah, I got about 22 years I can't
remember. This is such a difficult case. I mean, I think it's I think some of it is because of the 911
calls and and you just feel so bad for the family and what they actually had to witness
because a lot of times the family doesn't actually witness the victims in the victim's state.
>> Mhm. >> And you have these two young kids on the verge of starting their adult
lives. And like we said, the evidence as far as drug use it's just it could be experimental phase, but this
phase was connecting them with I think the wrong type of people. >> Yes, people that they normally would not
associate with. >> Right. >> And and keep in mind, too, it's going to be persons when we say associate with
we're going to see at one one factor repeated over and over in this investigation at people that they
looked at. These may not even been close friends with our victims. These were people that
their associate on their social circle, persons that were on the fringes of their social circle. Right. Are
associates with the suspects. So, let's attempt to go down the trail that we believe the detectives would
have followed here. So, Detective Kozak is going to be the lead investigator for
much of this investigation. And of course, he's going to want to talk to Tiffany Williams.
Right? So, remember >> we have a red flag with the with the mom saying, "Hey, look, this is this is all
strange and suspicious. And if the mom is suspicious of the individual, that's where you need to
start. That's obviously also who they were planning on hanging out with and they never met they never made that
connection that day. >> Correct. So, so when the detective sits down with Tiffany Williams, she
describes going to her friend Zach's house to obtain some pills. And while there, she says she called Johnny at
10:41. This is that call that we've discussed at length here. And this is she says for the purpose of firming up
their plans for that night. She states that Johnny picked up the phone, didn't say hello, says, "Bro, what are you
doing?" or something to that effect. And then she says that the call drops, well, not necessarily drops, but
Johnny hangs up saying he would call her back. He does not call back. She tells the detective that she discussed this
call with Zach. And we know the outcome of this situation. We know that when she
receives no response, at some point she and Zach drive out to Lisa's house. Now,
how did they get in contact with Johnny's parents is what I'm going to want to know
as the detective. And why do they go to reach out to Johnny's parents? They say it's because
they were concerned and they couldn't get in touch with Johnny and Lisa. So, what will we learn, Captain? Is it Zach
will reach out to an individual named Ruben Rowes. Now, Ruben, the reason why Zach wants to reach out
to him is because he knows he and Tiffany know that Ruben is Johnny's best friend, like lifelong best
friend. >> He might know one, what's going on with Johnny, but if he doesn't know, he's
going to know somebody that they can contact. >> Correct. So, now we learn that Tiffany
and Zach do not know or possess the ability to get in touch with Johnny's family.
Now, Ruben says, will tell police that Zach asked if they could pick him up and go to the Strob house with them.
Now, Ruben says Ruben is is clean, okay? Ruben He's never had a drug problem. He
doesn't have a police background. Doesn't have a record. No history of violence. He says, "Look, when this dude
calls me, I know that Zach is a problem. I know that he has a a drug problem and I don't really know the guy very
well, so I wasn't willing to go anywhere with them in the middle of the night." >> Right.
>> Yeah, I was concerned about my friend. And so, then that is when Tiffany is forced to
call Sherita because their first person they attempted to go to, Ruben, does not
want any involvement. Sherita then is the one that calls Johnny's parents. Okay? And again, remember Sherida is
more of more a peer of Johnny's friends and people that would be of Johnny's age.
She's much younger than Johnny's parents. Now, we have the parents at the scene and all that's
going on that we already are aware about, but we know that police, the authorities took down Tiffany's
information and Zach's contact information before allowing them to leave that night.
The other thing here, Captain, is we've talked about the drugs. I want to circle
back to something real quick. The detectives, when they start talking to Johnny and Lisa's inner circle and then
expanding outward from there, that's when they the police catch wind of this thought and this rumor that's
going around that there was a safe or maybe a large sum of money kept at the Straub home.
>> Right. >> So, now we have police working with a theory that makes a whole hell of a lot
of sense. A couple things we we can shrink our suspect pool very quickly here. There are things going on
socially that are telling us that one, it's very likely that the perpetrators would have
either known Johnny and or Lisa or would have known people that did know them. Because if we have people saying that
Johnny bragged a couple of times or maybe just once about there being a safe or maybe the Straubs got a bunch of
money, it was one of his friends that heard that and they had to tell somebody else.
If it wasn't one of his inner circle that is responsible for what happened to these guys.
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people in the back. >> So, when you have a a homicide, of course you want to look at the inner
circle, but but here we have something different. We have Johnny and Lisa were supposed to meet up with somebody.
To me, if I'm law enforcement, that's the first person that I'm questioning. And we don't know what type of person
this is. And like we said, if they're in a experimental phase with drugs, they're in experimental phase
with friends, and who is this Tiffany? And here's a little clip of her and they're calling it an interrogation,
but a questioning by law enforcement. I think this kind of shows you a little glimpse of who she is and her
her recall of the events that night. >> I want to go over that conversation again in detail.
>> fine. >> All right. You called Johnny on the phone. >> Mhm. >> How many times did it ring you think?
>> Um once or twice. >> Okay, one to two rings. >> Picked it right up. >> Mhm. >> You know it was Johnny.
>> Yes. >> How long of a pause before he said anything? >> He didn't say hello. >> All right, so he never said anything.
>> Never said hello. >> So, all right, so you're on the phone. >> Mhm. >> How long before you hear anything on the
phone? Did you What did you >> Like as soon as he picked it up, he didn't say hello to me, but he was
like, "Bro, what are you doing?" >> All right, I want to get this down again. Bro,
what are you doing? Okay. >> Okay, and he said that approximately three times. >> Okay.
>> Then the next >> let me give me his voice. Was it, "Bro, what are you doing?" or
"Bro, what are you doing?" >> Yeah, just like that. >> And he sounded pissed? >> Yeah.
>> Did he sound scared? >> No. Not at >> sounded pissed. >> Just pissed, yeah. >> All right, so you hear you hear, "Bro,
what are you doing?" three times. Johnny sounds pissed. >> Mhm. >> All right, then what he say?
>> Then the next thing he said was, "Who the hell are you?" >> How many times? >> Um once.
And then that's when I heard the other person in the background, but I couldn't hear what he was saying.
>> So you overheard a voice in the background? >> You sure it was a guy? >> Positive it was a guy.
>> Have you ever heard it before? >> No. Well, I really couldn't tell, you know what I mean, but
>> Okay. All right, so then what? >> Then he asked again, "Bro, what are you doing?" after he said, "Who are
>> After the three times he said it here, he said it again? >> Yeah, and that's when this guy was
talking, so that's why I couldn't hear him is because Johnny was saying, um "Bro, what are you doing?" once
again. >> All right. Did you hear anything in the background like a door close, footsteps? Did it
sound like Johnny was Did he sound pissed here again? >> Mhm. >> Did he sound pissed here?
>> Yeah. >> Did he sound like he was out of breath? >> No. >> Did he sound like he was scared or
nervous? >> No. >> Did he sound like he knew them people? >> Mhm. That's why I said I think that
whoever did it, he knew because you know, if you knew Johnny >> he How did he end the conversation with
you? >> He said, "I'm going to call you back." and hung up. >> Okay. Now >> No, he didn't give me a chance to talk
or anything. >> Okay, he just hangs up. He says he'll call you back. Okay, which means he
probably knows who's in the house. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Now, you call who? >> I didn't call
>> Call nobody. >> Who did you call to tell them that conversation with Johnny? >> Nobody. I just told Zach.
>> Okay, how did Johnny's mom find out about the phone conversation? >> Um after I had drove out to their house
and there was no response, I drove back. >> To Lisa's house? >> Well, after I left Lisa's house, I drove
back and I was like, "Well, maybe they're just ignoring us. We'll just drive around, look for them." And I
called my friend Sherita to get Ruben's number, which is Johnny's best friend. So that I could get in
contact Um [clears throat] well, see if Johnny could answer if he would answer the
phone to Ruben and then Ruben didn't get an answer, then we can get a hold of the
family and let the family know. Cuz I just thought maybe he was ignoring me. >> Why would you Why
Listen, listen, listen. Why with that conversation would you let somebody's family know
that hey, something's wrong? >> I wasn't calling to let them know something was wrong. I was calling to
let them know like, "Can you get him Will he pick up the phone to you?" Because like I He told me he'd call me
back. I didn't think nothing >> Was it because you were concerned? >> Yes, I was very concerned.
>> About what was going on? >> Yeah, because it was like no res- I wasn't getting no response cuz right
after I heard that, I called Lisa's phone. And there was no pick up. And then I called her a couple more
times, no answer. So, I text her like, "Are you okay?" And she didn't answer. Then, I kept
calling Johnny's phone. Zach said he was doing the same, also. And they wasn't picking up. So, that's
when I started calling, you know, his best friend to see if he would answer to his best friend. He was just [cough]
ignoring us because he didn't want to share pills or, you know what I mean? That's what I thought all it was.
>> That's very telling to me there, Captain. Here we have the detectives >> Telling. I think it's
>> [laughter] >> It's utter It's utter confusion to me. >> Thank you for saying that, because that
will prove a point that that I have for all of the beautiful listeners out there.
So, there's three key elements to this portion of the discussion. Before we get to those three key elements here.
And the three key elements to Tiffany Williams herself is one, a portion of the clip that we
did not hear is because it's a rather lengthy clip, right? It's probably 20 to 30 minutes
long total. And the part that we don't hear is that prior to going through this exchange
that Tiffany Williams has said occurred between her and Johnny is that before the detectives get into
the words of that conversation. The detective clearly is locking Tiffany Williams into a truth
or fallacy by saying, "Your phone. When you you called Johnny, but he's clarifying you
called him not by means of a landline or Zach's phone or somebody else's phone, your phone. You called Johnny with your
phone at 10:41." And she says, "Correct, my phone." So, the reason why we're locking her
into that is because we are going to be able to pull those records and prove if that part of the story is right or not.
Because we have a lot that seems to be riding on what this conversation was between Tiffany and Johnny.
You hear them, the detectives, trying to figure out, based off of Tiffany's words, if Johnny was upset, if he was
pissed, if he was surprised, if he was scared, if he knew the individuals, if he didn't know the individuals.
>> Right. >> But I want to keep in mind, and I know that I keep harping on this same idea
here. That conversation if it went down that way, only matters if it went down that way.
We have Tiffany Williams, who I am incredibly suspicious of. And welcome to the party. Welcome to the
club. There's a lot of people that are suspicious of her. >> Well, let's point out a couple obvious
things. The cops are trying to get her to say that you're concerned because of the call
that you heard. And she's not even smart enough to realize I just I need to keep going back
to I was concerned by his actions on that phone call. But she's more concerned that they're
trying to do drugs and not include them in the drug usage. >> I think what the detectives are trying
to point out in the corner that they're trying to back her into is oh, you were so concerned about that
call and what you say you heard on that call. But you don't act on that concern until
2 hours later. So, it doesn't seem like you were really concerned about what you
heard on that call. This going back to the same idea that I keep I'm beating a dead horse here,
Captain. We don't have Johnny to tell us what was said on that call. We only have Tiffany
Williams who can tell us what was said on that call? I don't think any of that [ __ ] that she says
happened on that call. >> I mean and this shows you though like the lengths that somebody will go to.
She is telling us these are the lengths that were you're not answering your phone.
You might be doing we know you have some pills. You might be doing these pills without us.
Well, who do we know that he might answer his phone for call his best friend. And of course the best friend thinks
this whole interaction is fishy to begin with. It's it's very strange. >> Well, I like that you point out that the
the her explanation when she's trying to explain her actions. You know, who did you call and when did
you call them and why? You hear that toward the end of the clip. It's all very confusing and muddled, correct?
>> Yeah. >> You know why that is? Because it's easy to tell the truth. It's difficult to lie and what's
happened here is that clip our victims were killed January 30th, January 31st. >> Mhm.
>> Without a doubt. Okay, that interview is taking place March 23rd. By this time Tiffany
Williams has explained the same story to Myte and Johnny's family multiple times.
She's explained the story to the police and detectives multiple times. Why does she sound so damn confused there?
Someone's going to say Nick, well, she's got a drug problem. Fine. But I'm going to point out here it's
difficult to lie. It's easy to tell the truth. She sounds confused here because she's trying to recall what she's told
all these people along the way and keep her story straight. And now it's getting very difficult for
her to do that now 3 months later. Or sorry. Now it's getting difficult for her to do
this almost 2 months later. >> Well, if you go back to the calls to 911 when she's telling the story there, it's
a lot of uh uh uh You do that when you're trying to think of your next statement.
If you made a phone call and you were really concerned and you went, "Okay, well, we got this weird phone call and
then I start calling him and he didn't answer the phone, so then I called his girlfriend and she didn't answer the
phone, so we decided to go over there and we rang the doorbell and and they didn't answer,
so then we tried to call their phone again." I wasn't even there and I can tell you
the story without going uh uh uh So, I think even back to the day in question you can almost hear her trying to think
of what's the best thing to say is. >> Well, she's she's getting caught there and the police almost had her. The
detectives almost had her when she starts getting confused and she starts sounding confused in her delivery as to
what she did and why. They're asking her specifically, "Well, why did you reach out to the family?"
Well, cuz I was concerned about that phone call. Okay, well, that doesn't make sense because you waited 2 hours.
Oh, well, I knew that they could get in touch with them. I wasn't so concerned. I I just knew that they could get in
touch with them and I was I thought maybe they were just avoiding us or not answering our calls or maybe they didn't
want to share pills with us. So, now she's got a different explanation that has that has no meaning on the prior
question or her prior explanation. And the the reason why this is all key is because of something that she said
way too early. She done [ __ ] up. >> Oh, dropping the F-bomb. >> The first 911 call by Mayte to the
police, what does Mayte say to the police? I got this call from Tiffany, some girl
named Tiffany, and she's saying that there was this weird phone call that she would had with my son, and it sounded
like people were breaking into the house. And she's calling us and saying that she's concerned and that she went
over there and she saw the house was ransacked and I'm worried that my son has been abducted or or something worse
has happened during the course of a robbery. Tiffany said to Mayte that she went to
the home and saw that it had been ransacked. That cannot be. >> This is a big problem.
>> This is a big problem for Tiffany and here's why. Because what do we know These are facts, man. These like
You can People out there can can question a lot of what I say sometimes because some of it
>> That's cuz you're an idiot. >> speculation. Thanks, Captain. >> Right. >> Uh but the thing here is
This is not speculation. These are These are words. That's why we're playing these recordings for you because they're
not the colonel's words. Mayte says to the 911 operator, this is before she goes to the scene, before her husband's
at the scene, that this girl says that she was at the scene and saw that the place was ransacked and that's why she
called it she was concerned. The problem with that portion of her story is Guess who else went to that
scene? The police. >> Yeah. >> They did not see any reason for probable cause. They did not see that the home
had been ransacked. Mayte and her husband went to the scene and to the home. And what did
they say? All the blinds were closed. We couldn't see in. We only kicked down the
door once we hoisted somebody up into the air to see into that window. >> And I wish there was
photographic evidence. And And maybe there is by law enforcement. But like you said, this is a big This is a big
deal. Because the police walked all the way around the home, attempted to look in every window. Guess what? They
couldn't see anything because all the blinds were closed. >> Right. The first question
of that night should be Well, how did you see this? How did you see something that we're not
able to see? >> Johnny's father walked around the entirety of that home and looked in
every window, couldn't see everything because anything because the blinds were closed. Myte walked around the home,
looked in every window, couldn't see anything because the blinds were closed. Yet this woman who claims
she saw that the home had been ransacked and that's why she's concerned and that's why she reached out to the
parents because she's concerned for the safety of her friends. The only way she would have known at that time when she
contacted the parents that been ransacked There's only two explanations. Either she was in the home
and had seen that, the outcome >> Yeah. >> or that somebody that was in the home
had told her and gave her that knowledge. There's no other way around it. It's one of those two situations,
which means she was either there when the attack happened or she knows who did the attack.
>> Well, like you said, we have cell phone technology. Shouldn't they be able to say Well,
if she actually took this call from Johnny at at what you say 10:41? >> Remember, that's why they purposely
cleared that up. >> Right. Right. She made the call. >> you called him at 10:41.
>> Right. Because couldn't they do cell phone ping technology and put her at that residence at that time?
>> She doesn't have to be there to be involved. >> True. Yeah. >> Again, she could have had knowledge.
Somebody that was inside the home could have told her, "Yeah, we ransacked the place."
>> Yeah. >> "Yeah, we we ripped up the place. We killed him and we tore the place to
pieces." >> "Yeah, cuz we were looking for drugs or we were looking for money." >> "What do you mean? You guys didn't find
anything?" "We looked everywhere. We looked everywhere. We tore the place apart."
So, yeah, they can do cell phone technology and and and here's the next question that people go They go, "Well,
then why the hell would she alert the family?" Right? That doesn't make any sense.
>> No, no, it doesn't make any sense. >> It actually does make complete sense. They didn't try to alert the family.
They wanted to alert Reuben. >> Right. >> Johnny's friend. Remember they offered
to pick up Reuben and bring him back to the Stob home. They wanted to alert somebody.
>> But >> had to they had to alert somebody. And here's the thing. Reuben, too smart,
says, "You know what? I'm not going over there. I don't know you guys very well.
You got a drug problem. I'm not getting in a car with you." >> But he's concerned enough for his
friend. >> They contact the parents. They had to contact someone. Why? Why would they
have to contact someone? Because of the cell phone records. Right? >> Right. >> They know. They figured it out 2 hours
too damn late. Wait a second. The police are probably going to want to know why I called
Johnny who ends up dead. >> Yeah. >> Now I've got to explain that away. Oh, well, I couldn't have been involved
because when I called him, there was already something going on. >> Yeah, or also the fact that
if they had plans at all to meet up then who did Johnny tell that we're going to meet up
with Tiffany? Who did Lisa possibly tell? >> Right? They have to be able to explain
away the plan the possible plans if there ever were any. >> Right. >> Because again that's we only have
Tiffany to tell us that. But then on top of that because according to Johnny's family
when they spoke to him he said they had no plans for the night. They were going to go home, they were going to chill.
>> Right. >> That could be true. Now the thing here is you're exactly right Captain. If they had plans with
Tiffany now she's got to explain away why those plans didn't happen and why she could not have been involved.
>> Right. >> And the way that she's trying to explain that away is alerting someone that oh by
the way when I talked to him at 10:41 he was he was pissed. He was confused. There was somebody like breaking into
the house right then and there. >> Yeah. >> So her own words means that she has knowledge of she has
knowledge of these crimes that she was privy to before the police were before Johnny's parents were before anybody
else that arrived on that scene. And the only way that she could have had that knowledge was to either A be there
or B somebody gave her that knowledge. >> But we have this messy crime scene. I mean this I mean this is
what's so horrible I could say is most of the time the victims family do not see the victims in the victim's state.
But we have DNA evidence. >> Yeah, we have plenty of DNA evidence. So as mentioned we had some that was found
on Johnny's sweatpants. And they also collected DNA from the cell phones. So what happens at some point here
Captain the perpetrators they ripped the batteries from Lisa and Johnny's cell phones. And I believe they even broke
the cell phones themselves. And the cell phones were recovered different sources either on top of the
victims or nearby the victims. >> Right. >> And so this act of breaking and removing
the battery puts perpetrator DNA on those cell phones. Also on the sweatpants. Here's what I'm
I would love to know. And we talked about this when we we talked about Richard Allen's vehicle, the the
suspect in the Delphi case being confiscated and and uh searching that vehicle. And we've
talked about this plenty of times. I love the logic that is applied to a crime scene
by these technicians. Because guess what? They have This is a big house. They would have the whole house and
every item that was ransacked knocked to the floor, pulled out of drawers to check. You can't check every damn thing.
So what do you do? You have to prioritize where you are going to be looking for fingerprints and DNA.
And blood. And what do we know about the crime scene? What does the crime scene tell us?
Well, the crime scene is talking to the technicians and the crime scene says somebody
either emptied Johnny's wallet or made sure that it was empty. >> Yeah. >> Where does one keep their wallet?
In their pant pocket. So where will we one Where's one location that we will prioritize
looking for physical evidence? Johnny's pants pockets. >> [snorts] >> And so >> about that, too, because even if you're
wearing gloves that normally you have a space between like even if you're wearing longs like a
long-sleeve shirt you have that space in between. And that would make contact if you're
reaching into somebody's pocket. >> Correct. And where on his pants do they find DNA evidence?
His pants pocket. So very likely reached in and removed his wallet and then took money out of it
or made sure that it was empty. >> Right. >> And what's what's interesting here, too,
again, the crime scene. What is it telling us? What is it telling the technicians and
the investigators? We know there was a sign of a struggle. Johnny was a big guy. He was strong. He was a He was a
weightlifter, bodybuilder at one time. He put up a struggle. We know that the the crime scene shows a struggle at the
at the door going from the garage into the home. It's believed that that's where Johnny
tried to fend off the intruder and intruders. Well, the intruder may have injured
themselves during the course of that scuffle. >> Right. >> It is blood It it's blood evidence that they find
that will give them the DNA evidence in Johnny's pocket. So, as you said, perpetrator reached in,
pulled out that wallet, and left a little something of them behind unknowingly at the crime scene.
The other location that they find DNA evidence is on the duct tape, which is which is often a place that people
will find DNA evidence. And here's why. How many times have you witnessed a person for any number of reasons,
you're you're know you're just out doing something, whatever, how they either have to tear the duct
tape, cut it, or a lot of people stick the end in their mouth and use their teeth and tear it off.
>> Right. >> That saliva is going to leave DNA evidence on that duct tape. So, they find DNA on the duct tape,
Johnny's pocket, and they also find it on the cigarette butt. Now, of their suspects,
and they talked to a lot of people here. Some of them agree to polygraph, some don't. Some agree to a DNA swab, some
don't. They end up collecting, I believe it's about two dozen DNA swabs from persons that they talked to. And
again, not everybody was willing to consent to this. Two individuals that did not consent, in
fact, two individuals that were not even on police's radar, get immediately pulled into this case.
None of the DNA that they had collected matched that on the duct tape, the pants pocket, or the cigarette butt.
But, on the cigarette butt, the Newport cigarette that was found at the crime scene near the door to the garage,
yielded two DNA donors. And both of those individuals had a criminal background.
So, they are already listed in CODIS. >> Right. >> When police check the DNA found at the
scene against CODIS, it delivers them two prime suspects that they were unaware of. One, Samuel Todd
Williams, and two, Cameo Pettaway. >> Well, >> [clears throat] >> what happened to you inside today?
There's some things that Mr. Ross and I would like to talk to you about, okay? Uh we ran some names by you.
Um you've been advised your rights and stuff. Um you're saying you never been to that
house. >> No. >> Can we get to the to the meat of what we want to talk to you about then?
>> Go ahead. >> We We had a problem at that house last winter. Did you hear anything about it?
>> No. >> Okay. Couple of kids were found dead in there. Uh Young adult. And uh They were probably the victim of a
burglary. They got bum-rushed in the place. You know what we're talking about bum-rushed?
Somebody just crashes in on you and maybe robs you or burglarizes your house. I mean, you know what we're talking
about. Okay. >> So, that's what happened to these young fellas. >> So, how did my name get brought up in
this? >> Science. >> I don't understand how. >> Well, remember when these guys respond to a
scene, and they go in there, you're a criminal justice major, right? >> They cordon off the area.
>> Everybody that is involved in that scene goes in, they start collecting evidence.
Okay? These guys collected a lot of evidence. And they had a lot of evidence tested
for DNA. Do you know what DNA is? Okay, explain to us what you think DNA is. >> You mean
you saliva or whatever. >> Saliva, poop, piss, skin cells, hair follicles, all that stuff gives up an
individual's individual characteristics. Do you buy that? Based on what you've been taught in
school. >> I haven't I'm only doing my like basic courses right now. I'm not doing
the >> They will tell you soon enough that DNA's like fingerprints. You know there's no two fingerprints that are
alike. There's no two DNAs that are alike. Each of us have a separate one. If they tested Jeff here,
his would come up with a certain row of numbers that means something to the scientist.
They tested you, you'd come up with a different bunch of numbers in a row that means something to the scientist, but
yours wouldn't be like Jeff's. If I spit on a cotton swab and they did my DNA, numbers would come up. Mine would not be
like yours. Mine would not be like his. We're all separate. Just like if they took our
fingerprints tonight, your fingerprint would be different from Jeff's. Be different from mine. Mine would be
different from him and from you. You understand where we're going? >> Mhm. >> It's unique to the individual.
There's no two DNAs that are alike. >> Totally understand it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Now, when these guys collected a lot of
pieces of evidence in there that were involved in this crime, they sent them to Bowling Green for
testing. Okay? And items in that scene came back with your DNA on it. Okay? And how do you explain that?
How can we explain that? >> I have no idea. >> You've never been to that house? >> Never been to that house.
>> know those kids? >> know them people. >> And your DNA's in that house. >> I don't know.
>> You have no idea? >> Nope. >> Do you understand where that puts you? Do you understand where this is going?
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Original Release: 10-11-2023

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In early 2011 near Toledo, Ohio a home invasion became a double homicide investigation. This was a night that shook an entire community. What happened that night? Why were these two victims seemingly targeted? Who could do something this heinous and evil to two people that were so young. This case can still be solved. Join Nic & Captain in the Garage and find out how. If you know any information about the murders of Lisa Straub and Johnny Clarke please call Crime Stoppers at 419-255-1111, or the Lucas County Detective’s Bureau at 419-213-4917, or reach out to reporter Brian Dugger at bdugger@wtol.com

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Brief Summary

True Crime Garage examines the double homicide of Johnny Clark and Lisa Straub, focusing on the investigation and key suspects involved.

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Mind of a Monster: The Hollywood Ripper. Uncover the life and crimes of serial killer Michael Gargiulo, who stalked and killed in Los Angeles.
The Tragic Fate of Johnny and Lisa. Young adults Johnny Clark and Lisa Straub were murdered, leaving behind a community in shock.
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Tiffany's Confusing Testimony. Tiffany struggles to recall details of her phone call with Johnny, raising suspicion.
Inconsistencies in Tiffany's Story. Tiffany's claims about seeing a ransacked home contradict police findings.

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