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true [Music] crime it's been nearly 8 years since Chelsea Small a hardworking mother of
two was murdered in Taylor Michigan Chelsea Small picked up a shift and was working alone on November 12th 2013 at
the Advan America check cashing place on Telegraph Road around lunchtime a man with a gun walked in and shot small
twice killing her officials said he took a small amount of cash from the scene according to the authorities and this
man the shooter has never been identified Chelsea Small's murder was brutal and unprovoked but her family and
the Taylor Police Department have not given up hope and we are hoping we can help in some kind of way to prevent the
case from going cold all of the evidence in the case was gathered the day small was shot the bullets used were put into
a National Database to track them no matches were found if robbery was the motive investigators question why
Chelsea Small was shot first when she had access to much more money nothing in her background would indicate that the
shooting was personal according to police and according to Detective stellini Taylor PD the ex-boyfriend was
looked at people closest to the victim were looked at according to at least one news article it was determined that the
X was not involved there is a hefty reward in this case $52,500 $50,00 of that comes by way of
the Advanced America company and 2,500 comes from the Michigan Crim Stoppers and if you watch the surveillance video
footage and recognize anything or think of anything or should you have any kind of information at all we are directing
everyone to Michigan Crim Stoppers and you can submit those tips by calling 1800 speak up that's 1 1800 773 2587 or
go online to to 1 1800e up.org to submit a tip this case has been covered very well especially in the Michigan area the
Taylor Michigan area all of the major news outlets ran portions of the security footage on the day after
Chelsea Small was killed shortly afterwards Billboards went up where they had a picture of Chelsea Small on one
side and a picture that was taken from the surveillance footage on the other of the killer asking people to call in with
tips can you identify this man do you know anything and 2017 True Crime daily or crime watch
Daily covered Chelsea Small's case and in 2018 the already gone podcast did a fantastic job covering the case as well
but it was in that 2017 year here Captain where we learn some new information police starting to run out
of leads and running out of tips decided it was time to release some new information to the public and this was a
rather big piece of information in 2017 the Taylor Michigan Police Department announced that a
silencer was used in the commission of these crimes the Killer's gun had a silencer on it when he walked into the
advaned America building that day which when you look at the still pictures maybe you wouldn't notice it from the
video but when you look at the still pictures the barrel of the gun looks thinner and longer so it looks like a
typical gun with a silencer on it well and there's all kinds of different versions of that surveillance footage
that has been released throughout the years in 2013 14 15 and 16 it was a much shorter version where they had cut out
the information so you wouldn't see the gun with the silencer on it because when
they posted this new information then it made its way around the internet there were people that commented and said uh
who's investigating this case I could see a silencer right away well yeah you're seeing the the footage that was
released after they said there was a silen or used right so this was something that the police were holding
on to in hopes that it could help be the break in their case that they needed to
identify Chelsea Small's shooter now up until a couple of months ago I just thought silencers were illegal I only
know them from movies and TV you know I picture ba baracus or Steven Seagal building their own weapons but a
silencer as they are most commonly called or a suppressor as others prefer to say what is the correct terminology
is there a difference well according to silencershop.com the short answer is there is no difference the silencer and
suppressor mean the same thing technically I prefer suppressor as silencer gives off the wrong impression
it's not silent you know there still is a noise the definition of a silencer is silencer also known as sound suppressor
suppressor or sound moderator is a muzzle device that reduces the acoustic intensity of the muzzle report or sound
of a gunshot and The Recoil when a gun is discharged by modulating the speed and pressure of the propellant gas from
the muzzle and hence suppressing the muzzle blast this is incredibly unique it's an incredibly unique aspect to this
case for several reasons first according to Taylor police detectives they say they only have about three four maybe
five homicides a year and it's very rare that they go unsolved most homicides somebody gets mad at
somebody for something they attack them they kill them or fight escalates somebody is brutally injured and dies
right easily solved so homicides rare in Taylor Michigan one much more rare that they go unsolved
second robberies are fairly rare especially when a gun is used and very very rare when shots are even fired in
Taylor Michigan and here's the big thing too they could not they being the detectives in Taylor Michigan could not
find a single case where a silencer or suppressor was used in any crime in fact they reached
out to surrounding police departments they couldn't find any crime where a silencer was known to have been
used so extremely rare and then you go well maybe this helps us find the killer so I went and I spoke with some well I
have a question real quick yeah because does the suppressor or silencer does it alter the bullet in any way because
let's say you had a family that was murdered all by gunshots but you didn't have any
surveillance footage you wouldn't know if that gun had a suppressor on or not unless it affects the way the bullet
comes out or the impression that's left on the bullet well yeah that's correct when when when something's unknown it is
unknown so they're simply saying in cases where they know what happened they know what went down they have evidence
as to how it went down weapons used things of that nature there's no record of a suppressor being used in any other
crime in that they could find in Taylor Michigan kind of makes you wonder like was this just a hit job because now I
could shoot her in and in broad daylight and as long as people just don't hear it
I can get in and out really quickly right so the the suppressor is certainly going to make it less likely that people
would hear a loud gunshot but again it doesn't silence the action right but what I'm
but what I'd like to know is like if somebody shot somebody in a car and the windows were up would I know it
was a gunshot if I was next door if I was in one of the stores next door to this murder would I even have heard any
loud noise or Ruckus would I would I known it was a gunshot at all it's difficult to say I mean every eyewitness
is a different situation and one's general knowledge of things and experiences in their life all determine
that so I mean we have had had situations where people were firing guns without suppressors and people didn't
hear gunshots right and so I cannot say what the you know we did say two of the other businesses were occupied so you
were hoping that somebody would see or hear something but from everything I'm being told there's there is no one that
saw or heard anything in in this case so it's it's kind of like a if a tree falls
in the in the middle of the Woods kind of scenario but so I I went to some gun experts because I I have a couple guns I
do not know much about them at all uh so again I thought silencers were illegal I
wanted to find out more than just what the internet could tell me so I want to give a shout out to uh my guys over at
Don's loans on Africa Road they are gun experts if you were looking to buy or sell those are your dudes what they told
me Captain was that only certain and this makes sense why somebody like me would think that they may be illegal
because they're not sold in every gun store in fact the gun store I went to didn't have any MH you have to hold a
certain kind of License to be able to sell an item like a suppressor now let's take this a step
further if you want to purchase one you have to hold a certain kind of License to purchase one so what is that
you have to get a suppressor tax stamp and I'll go through this because again this is to to Really illustrate
how rare it would be that somebody would have one of these in their possession and then then use it in a homicide so a
suppressor tax stamp is a $200 federal tax that was introduced in 1934 for the purchase of NFA Firearms when it was
first first implemented $200 you know 1934 was an astronomical fee so what that means is they made the fee so high
that back then nobody would really be able to pay this or want to pay this to own an item like
this yeah but but that's not how all criminals work they don't go well let me go pay for this suppressor fee they find
another way to get a suppressor sir well yes thank you um that is absolutely true
but again trying to illustrate how rare these items would be so now today 200 bucks is not a lot of money back in 1934
for an example the average net income was $3,125 so 200 bucks would be about 6.5% of one's annual income so a big
amount of money back then 200 bucks now you know people that's a steak dinner and a night out on the town people can
part with that where you come into an issue is if I were to walk into a gun store today that has the license to sell
such an item I walk up and I I purchase the item I pay for the suppressor that day and then I'm handed forms to fill
out I fill out these forms and this is me applying for that tax stamp this tax stamp
is for the ATF this goes to the feds right and the thing about this is I have to be approved so you can become Steven
Sagal and our government doesn't do anything fast so that approval process is approximately 6 to n months that's
your cooling off period if you will so it's a long time from wanting to buy it paying for the suppressor applying
getting approved and then actually receiving the item being able to own the item the stamp itself where it becomes
even more significant is it's a federal document it's a federal stamp so meaning
at any time like you and I here Captain let's say you own a suppressor I have three and you sell it to me on the
street never sell you anything well at any time for the rest of your life the ATF could knock on your door and say Mr
Captain we want to see your suppressor physically show it to us we see that you have a tax stamp I'd say come on in have
some cake at Sarah Lee so that is where it becomes an issue of you know how did this guy get this thing did he obtain it
legally if he did he's probably on a fairly short list yeah if he obtained it illegally where did he get it from if he
bought it from somebody then there's somebody that that sold it to him illegally Steven S um and that's where a
lot of things come into question now we're going to take this a step further because one possible lead in
this case when it comes to the suppressor angle of it is from this this is from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco firearms
and explosives the ATF for short they left out the E for whatever reason mhm they are offering
$2,500 this is a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of a man responsible for the burglary and
theft of several firearms and Firearm silencers from a Jackson gun store the article goes on to say that on May 8th
this is 203 sometime around 4:30 p.m. a man went to a Showbox box shbox I hope I'm saying that right nope
s c h u p b a c Sporting Goods store on Pearl Street and hid inside of a closet after the business closed around
8:00 p.m. the man stole multiple firearms and Firearm suppressors from the store the thief is believed to be a
white male with a stocky build brown colored collar length hair that covers his ears he was wearing a long dark
colored shirt dark colored cargo pants a dark colored watch on his left wrist and
light colored shoes or boots and how much time was this before the murder took place so this Captain would be six
months and a couple days before Chelsea Small was shot and killed because if you
see a picture of this individual he looks a lot like the individual in the surveillance footage what it called
advanced advanced America yeah Advanced America surveillance footage the problem
that a lot of people have with this guy being a suspect is he looks like he's considerably heavier 6 months beforehand
but it doesn't mean the guy didn't lose some weight in the meantime could have lost weight again the other thing too
though in both cases we I think would be remiss to think that even though it's not obvious that he's wearing any type
of Disguise he could be wearing some type of disguise right you know I've often wondered in Chelsea's case the hat
is the Hat simply made to make sure that the wig doesn't fall off mhm cuz that hair is is pretty big right like it it
almost looks a little fake and I'm not saying that it is this is all speculation on my end but yeah but if
you said to me that you know for a fact that that's fake hair just the eye test I'd go okay I buy that that makes sense
well here's the really weird things that that I'm going to take it a step further
in comparing the two crimes and again we can't we're not saying that they're absolutely connected I find it very
bizarre that there is someone that steals supressors and there's a suppressor used
both seem to be extremely rare crimes yeah how bizar how bizar how bizar they take place about six months apart from
one another and in the correct order the suppressors are stolen before the victim
is shot right right and and the guy you want to drive go ahead the guy looks like the same type of character yeah I
mean you're you're not looking at both of the this camera footage and immediately going nope not the same guy
yeah if I was looking for a a fat [ __ ] murderer to play in a movie this you know either one of these guys could fit
the role could play both roles maybe yeah and so the other thing too captain then if you want to drive doorstep to
doorstep from this uh shbox Showbox I I'm never going to pronounce that correctly sh shopbox Shop boox people in
Michigan are yelling at me right now shop boox I love you Michigan yeah anyway uh if you were to drive from the
sporting goods store to the advaned America again 6 months apart but doorstep to doorstep it's like an hour
and 5 minute drive yeah so it puts this individual on the same vicinity yeah so let's take this a step further too the
the things that I'm thinking about one with Advance America the day of Tuesday the the shortest hours of operation four
hours they're only open for four hours on that day she's by herself if he in fact planned this out and his plan his
Target was the victim and not necessarily the money or let's say it was a random
killing that you're targeting a victim you just don't really care who it is he picked a good
day because it's short hours less people to encounter in the parking lot inside less staff to encounter inside he
doesn't seem to make a move for the safe as the investigators point out she had access to more money if that's what he
was looking for again maybe he maybe he got tipped off that she hit the alarm and and that
was the result but it looks to me like he's producing the gun and ready to shoot very quickly in once he walks into
the building yeah but we've all seen Point Break before once you realize you can't go for the safe you know that's
that's one of the biggest mistakes but first-degree murder is a is a hefty charge for $200 if that's your end goal
and yeah but but but we don't know if the end goal was $200 right the end goal would have been to obviously get more
money but but you know going into it you're not going for the safe is what you just pointed out right no but what
I'm what what I'm saying is if this individual came up with a plan okay this is what I'm going to do I know that
there's only one worker at this spot I know they're only open up for a few hours I'm going to go in
maybe he had a a a ruse I'm going to say this depending on what she does or if I
see her go for that button I'm going to shoot her dead and then I'm going to go to this area and gather up all the money
I can and it was a perfect plan other the other than the fact that when he got out of the place he went I got about 250
bucks of course certainly a possibility I'm wondering though how methodical this
individual is I'm convinced he's wearing gloves I'm convinced that the outfit that he is
wearing was purposeful that it was put together by him I believe he was working alone I believe he chose that day I
don't know if he was targeting Chelsea Small specifically cuz how would he know how would he know that she was covering
for somebody else exactly I also think that it's likelihood that he may have parked
somewhere if he was working alone that would have have had to have been the case now again Advanced America and the
other businesses are bookended by additional parking he could have simply parked further from the door M uh in one
of those parking spaces but then let's go look at the Sporting Goods theft okay this is very
interesting to me the store we know what time he entered the store approximately
at 4:30 p.m. and then he manages to hide in a closet I don't know if this was like a dressing room or or utility
closet or or what they don't specify but he hid in a closet and he doesn't come out and steal the stuff until 8:00 p.m.
now why do I think that that shows some significance okay this shows planning to
me again the store closed at 5:00 p.m. mhm he knew that he walked in at 4:30 he knows it's not going to be long before
they close up for the day and at some point these people are going to leave a dumb criminal would have been impulsive
and would have come out from that closet could be while there were still staff members in the store yes he waited
a long time the dude seemed to be very patient now I I can't say for certain Captain we can't obviously maybe he's in
there and it's very obvious he can hear people talking or noises and he knows that there are people still actively in
the store yeah well I think he we've all worked in these types of businesses and
usually it's a it's a staggering process of of the employees leaving right when a
store closes there's usually a good amount of people that shuffle out fairly quickly well I think he had a couple
jelly donuts and passed out by accident you know just got got a little tired got
a little carb heavy and had to take a nap and then you may only have one single person locking up for the night
at some point that that some in some cases has to stay there an additional hour or hours after the other people has
have left so let's take this a step further too with the the theft of these no but I want to I want to stay on your
point for a second because I think it's really good one we don't know exactly why he would have waited that long but
there right it could be just to play it safe well wanted to play it safe maybe somebody was picking him up at 8:00
maybe whatever transportation that he had or maybe he thought that uh maybe he knew something about the police
department is there a change over around that time so it' be harder for them to get to him quickly once the alarm went
off that's very interesting there could be a multitude of different reasons why he chose but the fact that he was
disciplined enough and and that's and that's what I'm wondering if he's just simply going hey I'm going to rob this
store and this is this is my plan and I'm going to stick to my plan well I only got 250 bucks and maybe that's why
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the people in the back hi to the people on the back all right Captain to your point you bring up an interesting
thought there again in the gun theft case at the sporting goods store we don't have anybody saying they see this
guy get into a vehicle we don't have surveillance footage of him getting into a vehicle no vehicle description at all
and then let's go through the description of the perpetrator in the gun theft as well one more time he has
collar length hair that covers his ears stocky build believed to be a white male
he's wearing a long dark colored shirt dark colored cargo pants a dark colored watch on his left wrist and a light
colored shoes or boots okay we had light colored shoes and boots boots in the Advan America shooting right the other
thing too in this description there's no identifiers again it's all kind of plain
Jane nonidentifiable Clothing solid colors very nothing to indicate where this guy might be from anything that
he's interested in things of that nature I mean if I had a bed it's the same dude
well if anybody has information in that case that one you should not contact Crim Stoppers or the Taylor Michigan
Police Department because they may not be connected the ATF the feds are investigating this thing and you can
call them at800 ATF guns to report any that you think you may be seeing in the the footage or the pictures of the
person that stole that the thing that I do want to point out whether these crimes are connected or not both of
these individuals are very very dangerous people right the public is not safe with either of these people out
running around yeah one clearly showed how dangerous he is he just walks into a business and gun somebody down well
that's what I'm saying and it could have been a random person it mean you sat down and based on every movie we've seen
right and we came up with this well look you know we work right by this check cashing place and they only have one
employee on Tuesdays so me and you we're going to go in there together well what
if she recognizes us okay well if you sit down right that that's what I'm saying if you sit down and try to create
a plan You' go okay well let's just get this out of the way I just shoot her if I shoot her and kill her then we
don't have to worry about any eyewitness and when you say oh well the best eyewitness he didn't get read of
the camera really they're taking better pictures on Mars you know what I mean how many times have
we seen but again no it is the best it's the better of the two eyewitnesses if she doesn't know him because this is
something you can show to a thousand 2,000 10,000 other people well look I I believe if it's the same individual and
if I had a bet I would bet that the guy that robbed the gun store and the guy that that committed this murder and
robbery are the same person he was in that gun store multiple times beforehand I believe he was in this check cashing
place multiple times before that so yes would she uh recognize him maybe and and maybe I think the gun with
the silencer on it it he it was already set in his mind leave no eyewitness and maybe that's why he picked a shorter
work day where there was only one employee so he he wouldn't have to you know maybe he was looking around to make
sure there was only one employee but almost seems like he knew the short day one employee gloves on the hands
silencer on the gun tells me we're dealing with someone who is very careful very planned out very methodical very
careful the individual that sits and remains inside this closet for 3 and a half hours manages to hide inside the
closet without being seen going in there and then Waits three and a half hours before coming out and stealing these
items well that's watch he watched home alone too very very thought out and careful so let's I want to go into some
of the details of this theft though this is according to WX news because other than the description of the
man by the ATF we don't get a lot of information there but in this article there is more information and it says
the individual came out of hiding and stole two firearms and 15 firearm silencers or suppressors Donald Dawkins
at the Detroit ATF field office told WWJ news radio 950s this is a rare case because the
thief scene took a few handguns but passed up several high-powered automatic weapons to grab several silencers quote
but he had the opportunity to take many more meaning guns and he did not Dawkin said we believe he had been in the store
before and he knew exactly what he wanted to take those Mufflers those depressors were his main target and
Dawkins goes on to ask the question why would someone go by pass up the Firearms
to go for the suppressors well like you said it's you you have a waiting list you have a waiting list you have a and
your name tied to that item forever and your name tied to that forever so so one
if you want to commit another crime using one this is a great way to get one but it's also probably a great item in
the black market an item that has demand in the black market that's for sure and
yes they're also a smaller item than a gun so a lot easier to carry and again we don't know this this guy could be
riding a bicycle for all we know well and I think it goes without saying but we're going to say it anyway because we
should we're we're asking the public for their help we're asking we're telling them hey we're going to tell you and
show you what we know now can you tell us anything in return and one thing that the police all the Departments involved
because you have Taylor Police Department in Chelsea Small's case you have Jackson Police Department in this
gun theft and plus the ATF working the gun theft and suppressor theft as well but all of the agencies are saying the
same thing about these individuals mhm whether it's the same guy or not the same guy they're saying the same thing
the person that did either of these crimes or did both of these crimes is obviously very experienced with guns
they would have a great knowledge of firearms yeah probably military background could be military background
police background they even said you they would be concerned about people that work at gun ranges frequent gun
ranges they're hoping that by getting out this information that somebody can go oh I well I know a guy like that or I
know a guy that owns similar items or I've seen him using or talking about these items and to take it a step
further you know we put it in the ATF case in the theft where they say we're pretty certain this guy knew what he was
looking for knew exactly what he wanted to steal what he wanted to leave the store with that day mhm and then in
Chelsea's case remember we have two shots fired and one shot that malfunctioned it either jammed or
malfunctioned for some reason now the officers have said a few things about about that that I find to be very
interesting one there is more surveillance footage we're seeing a shorten version of that but what they
have told me is that they are not certain why the gun malfunctioned and he had to drop that live round but that's
something that you actually that's an action you have to do right as the the operator of that firearm you have to
recognize that it jammed or malfunctioned you have to clear that round and then load the new one and what
they're saying is that this individual did it like it was a natural thing second nature to him without
thinking where somebody like me goodness yeah it would it would jam me up for a couple minutes he he they say he very
quickly corrected the problem and then fired the second shot and to them look they didn't say this to me but this guy
appears to me to have a better working knowledge and understanding and expertise of using that particular
firearm than what most police officers have with the firearm that they carry but also notice this in the pictures and
and tell me if I'm wrong but everybody seen the video and stuff of like Bridge guy and stuff you see
some kind of Det details on the individual's face there's none here I wonder if he has something underneath
his jacket that either once he got into the building or before he got into the building well I
don't I take that back I don't think he would have put it on before he got into the building but it's almost like he
pulled something up above his face maybe around his nose area pulled it all the way up because there is not a single
picture picture and I'm looking at about 20 different pictures where I can even see like ear holes or outline of his
nose or anything he just looks like he has a blob for a face old Captain blob face it's like on a Dick Tracy the blank
yeah it's like you can see you can see the whole body and everything but the the face is almost blank that's in the
Chelsea Small case in the Advanced America case in the the Firearms thefts at the at the sporting good store I can
make out some features on that guy's face right and I think it helps that he's not wearing a hat in that situation
but again it's very hard for me to sit here and not believe that these are connected in some way it seems
too too rare of a crime in both cases and too close in proximity both you know time and
spacewise that I don't know I have a hard time sitting here and going that there this
is not connected in some way some form some fashion yeah I mean the silencer is the red flag one bit of new information
that we can State here today that we did receive from the Taylor Police Department in regards of the Chelsea
Small case the caliber of gun that was used in that shooting in that homicide was a 45 caliber so we're looking for
someone that owns or own in 2013 a 45 caliber handgun with a silencer a suppressor now mind you these are these
are threaded items right you have to kind of thread them together and one thing that the detective did tell me was
and and this is where it gets a little tricky for me here Captain because I'm I'm not an expert on either of these
items the fire the handgun or the suppressor well fake it till you make it but from what I've been told is that
they can be made to to specifically fit a certain firearm mhm or he may have used one that didn't specifically fit
his handgun and that may have been caused for the malfunction they're not certain you know until they have both
items in their possession they can't say for certain but that's one thing to consider well and just like you said the
guy stole what 15 of them or some crazy amount 15 suppressors and only two handguns according to that one article
that I found and that was really the only article that went into description of the item stolen well let's just think
about this if he he if he let's he he targeted the two handguns he gets those he wants a suppressor but he knows that
they're made for different makes and model they're pretty small let me just grab 10 15 of them and one's bound to
fit one of my guns yeah that's a good call that's a good call the thing here here is and I'm not saying that it's
related I I really though believe unless makes look they these guys look similar
they could play the same character in a movie oh no I was going to try to I was going to bring up another case entirely
oh okay and I again I'm not saying that they're connected but the just the similarities between them are striking
to me it it's the I70 killer that we talked about months ago everything looks very similar in the sense that there was
nothing to indicate that the I70 killer knew the individuals that he was attacking yet he managed to in more than
one occasion walk into a business during their slow hours on a slow day when the
business was only being manned by one person make the attack make the killing only take something small
insignificant and then hit the road and in all of those cases we don't have a vehicle that's ever spotted we have a a
vague description of the shooter of the Killer and clothing nondescript these were all businesses that backed up the
neighborhoods now I know that it's fairly common that businesses back up the neighborhood so that's not such a
big deal but that is what we have in the Chelsea Small case as well I'm not saying that they're connected I'm just
saying that I see a lot of similarities between the two there was a a unique firearm that was used in the I70
killings that was not used in Chelsea Small case but at some point the I70 killer switched handguns yeah but this
is a big claim it was always profiled by the FBI that they believed that the I70
killer lived in or around the Indianapolis Indiana area not terribly far from Michigan so you look at these cases and
of course that's where my brain jumps to is previous cases that we've covered or
cases that I've I've read about or learned about in the past and when they are unsolved D you look for similarities
to solved cases and unsolved cases to try to help you gather more information and give you some leads in this
currently unsolved case I share the same opinion as Chelsea Smalls family they seem to believe that the
case needs to get more widespread more in front of more people and more people seeing that that
footage they think that the the right eyes have just not seen the surveillance footage and therefore we don't have that
tip that has led to the apprehension of this individual what I can say is with how quickly this dude moved and how it
seems to me that if especially if he did not know Chelsea if he just went in there to kill whomever was working that
day mhm that he picked it based off of more of location and thinking that he would find an individual by themselves
this person strikes me as someone that who was probably killed before this crime and would very likely kill
again and again I cannot go into too much to convince everyone how dangerous I believe this type of individual is and
so I'm hoping that somebody that the right set of eyes will see this and recognize something I have also had the
you know I asked the the detectives bear with me because when we're working with so little here in
this case the guy's only in the store for 70 seconds he doesn't leave any clues other than the the shell casings
and the the live round M and the surveillance footage and as you say somehow this magic this guy magically
appears appears to be blank in the face Captain blob face I said could you bear with me and speculate a little bit and
and I already told you they believe the probability of solving this case is very
high one they point out that it's only been 8 years it's not been 30 or 40 but they point out and I'm not going to go
into too much detail with this because I don't I want them to still be holding some cards at the end of the day there's
multiple Avenues multiple ways that the information could lead them to their killer so that's very
positive but the other thing too I said do what does your gut tell you is this guy local or is he not local and they
said look you go in One Direction you're on the freeway in a minute or two you go in
the other direction you're on a different freeway in two and a half to three minutes this guy could have popped on
and popped off a Telegraph Road very quickly MH and they also believe they're like look we put up Billboards we've
released the footage to the news outlets we released it again again years later showing the silencer they share the same
speculation as the family that the guy is more likely not to be local because he's gone undetected the public has not
been able to produce this guy one sad sad turn of events and this is a bizarre thing that seems to be not connected to
the murder itself but should be reported here Captain is in November of 2020 last
year Chelsea Small's grave site in j alter Michigan was vandalized and this is kind of a weird
sentence to to say but her grave site was beautiful yeah they decorated very nice
but it wasn't so much that it was vandalized right it was was more that there was decorations that were stolen
yes there were decorations that were stolen and to me the headlines are always vandalized I I've not seen the
before and after pictures but I imagine you're probably looking at pictures of her grave site right there the family
throughout the years have put like little statues yeah and and that's what was stolen and so to me I go it could be
the same guy it could be just messing with people well and that would that would show something similar to Super
Bike where this guy had just such mad revenge against these people that just you know boiling up so much that he had
to go in there and gun people down but sounds to me that they are pretty certain they know who stole those
items and it doesn't sound like there's a a connection between the person they believe stole those items and who they
think uh killed or or maybe here's where my mind goes and I'm not I this is not information that I know for certain
either way this person's a [ __ ] sniffer this is just a guess usually theft and
vandalism are teenager type crimes and we can look at the surveillance footage of Advanced America and know that
we're not seeing a teenager in in that case so um that's where my mind goes and I did see on
record where they said they they're pretty much believe they know who saw who committed that and they were the
hopes were that they could get the items returned yeah now when it comes to these
two crimes I think our gut feeling is these guys if I had to bet would be the same individual when you're looking at
the surveillance footage make sure you look at the logo or the white spot on the hat and also there's a white spot on
his belt and and if anybody can make out what those items are yes and hopefully people will look at pictures of both of
those uh crimes and and determine for themselves if they think they're seeing the same person and take it a step
further show other people as well so we can finally get Justice for Chelsea Small her family her two kids and again
there is re a reward for information in both cases if you have any idea of who committed the gun theft in Jackson
Michigan you should contact the ATF if you have any information in Chelsea's case if you have any idea who
or killer is or recognize any of his clothing or the gun itself or know someone that owns a 45 with a silencer
or suppressor or someone that has bragged that they obtained either item illegally uh there's a
52,500 reward in Chelsea's case and information can be sent to 1 1800e up.org or by calling 1800p
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November 12, 2013 - 30 year-old Chelsea Small was fatally shot while working at a Cash Advance business in Taylor, Michigan. Questions facing detectives is wether Chelsea knew her attacker and the actual motive for the attack in the first place. The killer made off with a small amount of cash. Security tapes show male suspect with age ranging from 25- 50. Possible white male with dark bushy hair, ball cap with emblem, dark clothing that could be some type of work uniform and light colored boots or shoes. The man appears to remain extremely calm during the entirety on the crimes committed. Please watch the footage and look at the pictures of the suspect that have been released over the years. Someone will be able to identify this man. Detectives would like everyone to pay close attention to the man’s unique clothing and the label / tag on the man’s pants. They believe the clothing / tag could be the break in the case. We agree and would also like to point out that the weapon used was unique and the suspect may have committed additional crimes. Anyone with ANY information should submit a tip by phone at 1-800-speak-up or online at 1800speakup.org (http://1800speakup.org/)

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Brief Summary

Chelsea Small was murdered in 2013; the case remains unsolved, involving a silencer and a potential connection to a gun theft.

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Chelsea Small's Murder. A mother of two was murdered in a brutal, unprovoked attack.
Silencer Used in Crime. A silencer was used in Chelsea Small's murder, a rare occurrence in Taylor.
Bizarre Connection to Suppressor Theft. A theft of suppressors occurred just months before Chelsea's murder, raising questions.
The Perfect Plan. The robber's meticulous planning is revealed as he waits patiently before executing his theft.
Silencer Theft Mystery. The robber chose to steal suppressors over firearms, raising questions about his intentions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Chelsea Small's murder was brutal and unprovoked.

Overview of the crime case.

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