Missing Welch Girls /// Part 2 /// 108 | Forensic Files

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foreign [Music] [Music] it was a parent's worst nightmare that has lasted 10 years and one family
doesn't want you to forget two missing teenage girls this is KOA of News at 10 on Rhonda Justice and I'm dowel quick
tomorrow marks the 10th anniversary of the murders of Danny and Kathy Freeman and The Disappearance of their daughter
and her friend the Freemans were murdered and their home was burned to the ground in Welch Oklahoma December
30th 1999. their 16 year old daughter Ashley was hosting a birthday sleepover with her friend Laura Bible while the
bodies of the Freeman parents were found inside the burned home no Trace if Ashley and Laura were ever found
Laura's mother hopes someone could still come forward with information and collect the fifty thousand dollar reward
we're gonna have more on the anniversary and the investigation tomorrow [Music] [Music]
we were getting into the theories regarding the unsolved murders of Danny Freeman and his wife Kathy Freeman as
well as the mysterious disappearances of their daughter Ashley Freeman and her friend Laura Bible which took place
December 30th 1999 continuing on with those theories one we hadn't got to yet was Theory number three that the police
had killed Danny and his wife and then Set Fire to the the trailer destroying evidence and abducting the girls
let's talk about this one here for a second because this is one that is near and dear to the the hearts and minds of
the Freeman Family there's a lot of family members that believe that this is the actual situation
um well when one of your loved ones comes out and says hey if anything ever happens to me
uh look into the sheriff's department yeah and that's exactly what Danny had said to his brother Dwayne before uh he
was killed right and he had also told his brother that that according to Danny that he was told by the sheriff's
department that they could do anything that they wanted to him and his family and there wasn't a thing that Danny
could do about it I never would have thought when we started the likelihood that law enforcement would be involved
or possibly involved in so many different cases yeah this is something that we seem to bump up against time and
time again when we're covering these unsolved cases but the situation here as we spoke about
Danny's run-in with the law you know this all occurred after his son Shane was shot by the police
now the situation is this that we also have some other factoring things here Not only was Danny following around and
hanging out in front of the officer's home and being followed by the officers as well
but according to local accounts the Danny Freeman once threatened the lives of police officer David Hayes this is
the officer that shot and killed his son Shane the other thing is that Danny according again to Dwayne his brother
said that the sheriff's department was threatening him as well so we can sound like you know Danny was uh the harasser
and also being harassed himself and I don't know all of the specifics regarding their son being shot but all
reports that I have read seems to me like it was a Justified shooting by police as well as you know they did
conduct their own investigation and they state that it was a Justified shooting that the officer David Hayes that he was
simply defending himself against an armed man that was rumored to be suicidal that wanted suicide by cop that
was seemed to be out Willy you know willingly committing crime right I think your vocab ability is wrong I don't
think it was a man you know I still at that point I think he's a boy mentally he seemed very much like a boy at that
time but the the the situation is this okay there is no evidence to suggest this theory is correct
um the the officer David Hayes who shot and killed the son Shane his brother is in law enforcement as well now both of
them have taken polygraph exams after the girl's disappearance and there was nothing within those exams to conclude
or suspect either one of them of having any involvement in The Disappearance or the murder of the Freemans and lower
Bible now we also have that they're not even considered suspects in this investigation and one thing that I want
to make clear too that they were never personally involved in the investigation of the murders or The Disappearance
right because there was a conflict of interest so as soon as this case took off they immediately got the the
Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation involved and for them they took over the case because they're like like said
there's a conflict of of Interest there is one strange connection that I would like to bring up though and this
this would kind of further the law enforcement conspiracy theory here is that uh several of the girls relatives
participated in a pilot of a television program called what really happened this
took place in October of 2001. the show was not purchased by any of the networks
and has never been uh broadcasted now there was a woman named Deanna Dorsey uh she's a nurse who assisted the Freemans
on the night of Shane's death she appeared on the show you know gave interviews and such the other connection
for Deanna Dorsey is that her daughter was a friend of Ashley's back in 1999. now Deanna was shot and killed at the
hospital where she worked this was shortly after a taping of this show what really happened authorities said okay
hold on so this nurse comes out and she's on this TV program that never gets picked up right but for everybody all
accounts people thought it was going to get picked up and she comes out and makes these claims on this show and then
she is killed at her work she I don't know that she claimed that law enforcement was involved all I'm saying
is that she gave interviews regarding this this TV show now this would have been known in the area throughout the
community that this show was taking place that they're recording and they're interviewing different people I mean
right again let's remind everybody this is a town of 600 people you know out so we're a very small community yeah and
the neighboring town which is the large one has over 6 000 people so again another small community the situation is
this though my guess is that she's probably somebody that you would want to seek out to interview because at this
point when you're when you're making the show the parents of Shane no longer exist to conduct these interviews she
was close to the family and helped them during the grieving process when they lost their son right and so she would
have known some intimate details regarding the death of Shane and regarding how the family was trying to
cope with the loss of their son Deanna Dorsey she was shot and killed by a man named Ricky Martin
and he was a former employee of the same of the same hospital where they both had
worked now this gentleman Ricky Martin he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia well he also suffered from shaking his
bon bon well they believed that he was angry because because he was let go from his job and that he came into work and
he shot Deanna Dorsey at at his former work I'm sorry to be insensitive it's just it's hilarious his name is
hilarious now I think why people connect this to you know there's some obvious connections immediately you know with
with Deanna Dorsey having been close to the Freeman family and her daughter knows Ashley Freeman so there's those
connections she's involved in the taping of this TV show but I think what kind of
tops that theory off the conspiracy theory off here is that Ricky Martin was was shot and killed by police that same
day and you know how it is it's it's oh he was shutting her up and now we're shutting him up
um but the thing is he he did he stopped he suffered from this this disease and he must have freaked out that's the only
thing they can come up with is that he freaked out about having been let go and that he went in there with the intention
of harming somebody as a type of Revenge for losing his job the or shooting up the whole place it doesn't look like it
was she was I think just in the wrong place at the wrong time I don't think she was targeted directly by Ricky
Martin and you have good reason to believe that because law enforcement and the hospital itself have come out and
stated that the two of them didn't know each other that that even though that they worked in the same location no one
could make any ties between the two of them that that Ricky Martin would have had any reason to Target her or that
specifically went there to kill her she just happened to be the person that he encountered when he was on this Rampage
well we normally know where I sit on these things Captain conspiracy you've been accused many times of loving a good
conspiracy yeah I'm guilty as charge that's because I'm crazy but where do you sit on this
um the whole police theory that the police was involved I don't think that the police Theory holds any weight for
me I I see where we have the confrontation between Danny and the other officers and the harassment yeah I
I see that and and here's here's where I'm going to take this thing did Danny cross the line in my opinion
yes did law enforcement cross the line in this situation before this family was murdered
um I don't know and I'll tell you why because here's the thing we have reports of Danny sitting in his vehicle in front
of Officer Hayes's home that's much different to me than if you were if if you sat in front of my home in a vehicle
multiple times I would feel like you're threatening my family if you personally just said something to my face where you
threatened me I would take that that would be a lot less to me than a threat of you sitting in front of my family's
home noted now I do understand Blue Blood man you got to have your you got to have your brothers and sisters backs
you know you can't we can't have disgruntled citizens sitting in front of officers homes intimidating them yeah
however I don't think that your way of taking care of that problem is that would make any sense it doesn't make any
sense to go and kill and murder the family and abduct these girls to me um you they would have had means of
taking down Danny Freeman I believe I believe they that that if some of the rumors were true regarding Danny and his
behavior right I believe they probably could have arrested him on on a number of charges and that they would have felt
safe with their families and and their personal safety having him simply Behind Bars and not have to do harm to innocent
people that happen to be in it family members are associated with Danny so I think that's why it doesn't hold any
weight for me I think that the police if they in the sheriff's department if they
really wanted to correct the problem by being bullies they could have done it by
different means right so what you're saying is pretty much what I think as well but I'm going to put a little
clearer right I don't think you're as clear as we could be crystal clear right so what you're saying is and what I
believe is that they could have they could have removed Danny from the situation or they could have just taken
care of Danny and why would you involved you know the wife well then and then also why would you involve the daughter
and then on top of that why would you involve the daughter's friend right that doesn't make a lot of sense to me I
think part of them felt bad because this guy was harassing them but I think part
of them felt bad like we had to do our job we had to defend ourselves but I guarantee you they didn't feel good
about themselves no when they got home here's this kid that was suffering from maybe a mental illness maybe just you
know maybe it was depression who knows but he was acting out for some reason he was acting out
and they had this officer had to defend his life and that that's a a tough thing
for that officer to have to do and then it's a small town small community you have to look this father in the eye
and you know what you did but you know what you did was write and to defend yourself the problem with any of these
police conspiracies or these law enfor enforcement conspiracies is if it was just Danny they just found
Danny dead in the home it was Ablaze and nobody else was dead nobody was missing
well yeah look to the sheriff but these people that want to start thinking that law enforcement would take an innocent
person that has nothing to do with anything and to you know murder that person or place that person on
somebody's property after the after they murdered them it makes zero sense yeah and I think you really hit upon
something here because I think that that's probably the reason why they never arrested Danny for any of these
things and put him behind bars so that he couldn't hurt their families I think they were trying to show Danny a bit of
compassion right and and in the means that did they threaten him or threaten his his family I believe that probably
happened yeah and but I don't think that they had any intention of carrying out those threats Now remind you I'm A
Thousand Miles removed from the situation and and you know many years later but but my gut feeling tells me
that you know when when you're sitting out in front of my home and I know that that I
unfortunately was thrown into a situation where I had to defend myself and your son lost his life
I can I could see myself saying you know what I'm going to deal with this problem of
him being in front of my home by him intimidating my family I'm going to deal with this problem with words and not
with fist not with cuffs not with guns I'm going to deal with it with words and if I have to get into an argument with
this gentleman or if I have to have an exchange with this gentleman and he's threatening me and it leads me to
threaten him I I can believe that the threats happen but again I don't think there there was any intention of
carrying out any of those threats well on the big red flag here too is initially at the scene it was just Kathy
that they found dead it wasn't until um it wasn't until the Bibles came around that they found Dany dead themselves or
or you know the dog's help yeah so you know if you're trying to cover something up you'd think you'd do a better job of
uh policing the crime scene well not only that they released the crime scene very early you know that's why the
Bible's found Danny's body and then to further that the the following day after Danny's body was found they opened up
that property because it was a large property to volunteers they had over 500 people there that day searching the
property for any evidence regarding the the whereabouts of the girls or you know
possible evidence of who committed these murders right so what you're saying is why open this up for a search party if
you're trying to contain it yeah it would be really fishy if they said you know what yeah we understand we got two
missing girls here but we don't want you searching the property they could have sat on that property for days and days
and days right that would have been fishy so ah look I know I I know you start getting this gut feeling I know you're
listening to this case out there and you start thinking oh maybe it's law enforcement I'm my gut is telling me
after you look at the evidence after you look at the procedures that took place I don't think there's a lot of weight to
that theory so let's remind everybody what the remaining three theories were regarding this case now mind you these
are theories based off of law enforcement based off of people in the community family members these are these
are their theories and I want to go through these three because I think what we're going to cover next and in the
second half of today's show will I want you to think about these different suspects as we go through them and how
they could fit into either of these theories because they're they're somewhat similar so Theory number four
was that the police were not involved but Danny was targeted and he was the target due to drug activity Theory
number five was that the girls were actually the Target that the motivation for this attack was abduction and that
the parents were just killed and the fire was set to hide evidence human trafficking and then the sixth theory
that they were working off of was that someone that knew the family had killed the Freemans and abducted the girls and
it's so interesting to me when there's multiple confessions into a case well they start rolling in and this the first
one comes 18 months after the crime was committed and this is a jailhouse confession by several inmates
they state that they had seen the girls or had knowledge of the girls being at a
home that was in the area this home is also known to law enforcement and this would have been on New Year's Eve 1999
so the day after the girls were abducted these guys were saying that they had knowledge or seen the girls there now
this was a suspected drug house their accounts are this that that the girls were being held captive there they were
being assaulted and tortured and they didn't know what happened to the girls but they knew that they were there on
that date the situation the the police they have rumor to believe this because like I
said this is already a home that is known to law enforcement this is a home that they use the drug house yeah they
keep an eye on the house they keep an eye on the occupants of the house so they get a search warrant the necessary
warrant and they decide to raid the home good they do not find any evidence of the girls having been there now mind you
this is 18 months later right they did find a lot of evidence regarding methamphetamine manufacturing and so
they were able to take down the the necessary people because of that and make charges there the other strange
thing is that one of the jailhouse confessors claimed that there was a tape of some of a VHS tape of some of the
activity that was going on that day in that home and that he didn't know where the tape would be located or where it
could be found but he had viewed a portion of that tape at some point and the the tape would have been of them
being tortured is that what they're saying um probably most likely or um you know you don't have to use your
imagination too much to to to think of what could be on that tape um now I could not locate these the the
men that made these statements I could not locate their names and well that doesn't surprise me because they're
right but essentially it's not a confession because they're not the ones that were
you know they didn't abduct the girls they're the ones that said hey well we were at this party and we knew about it
we turned a blind eye that's kind of what they're confessing to right well which would be a crime but they're
probably sitting down stating that you know what I can give you I can give you what I know as long as this doesn't come
back on me right you're guilty of being a piece of [ __ ] yes um but again I it doesn't surprise me
that we cannot locate the names of these guys because it's a jailhouse confession
they're not going to release these names that's the kind of stuff that they you know you get the prison Justice within
the walls uh they have a part of the other reason that they wouldn't release this stuff is that they're they're
confessing to being a part of something you know again not the ones that captured these girls
but they're at this party with these known drug dealers that by all accounts if you're saying if what
they're saying is true these people murdered these people uh they these people murdered the parents and then
abducted these teenage girls and so law enforcement doesn't have to say who who said this stuff right you know and
obviously I think law enforcement felt like there was some validity there because they did the raid yeah so again
that that doesn't mean that that what they're saying is not true so it could be it could be true yes but
but as an inmate if I sit down and I'm going to pass along knowledge of something I know about of a horrible
crime I'm not going to want you to use my name you know well I don't want anybody to use my name well the the my
final thought on this Theory here Captain is is there is one little tidbit of of evidence here if if in fact these
stories are true then the one gentleman stated that well I shouldn't say Gentlemen The one dude stated that there
was a VHS tape now um does that tape still exist I would I would the smart wager and me would say
no that it's probably been just destroyed and gotten rid of but keep that in the back of your mind there
because these things have you know the truth has a way of coming out in in the long run and this is something that you
could hold on to that that there might be some evidence out there that somebody could stumble across one day or find one
day and we would be able to to punch microphones we would be able to solve this case regarding this situation
well and this goes back to my original thoughts of why the heck they probably moved out there to begin with I mean if
you're just trying to grow a little pot you know maybe you'd want some land I'm not saying that people want just want
land anyways but when they talk about drug activities and be in a rural area I kept on saying that there's probably
methamphetamines or or something of that nature going on oh it's definitely going
on in the area yeah it's definitely going on in the area but I'm saying going on with Danny that's my gut
feeling so to me I mean this is super creepy if if why would you take these girls hostage other than for human
trafficking and then you're going to videotape their tort them being tortured or sexually abused or whatever you're a
sick individual you know what I mean and it's very uh kind of reminded me of uh True Detective
season one which was a crazy show but anyways it's that to me there's so many creepy levels of that and uh I wish we
would know I want to know where the investigation took them further but if these people
were just uh making drugs and then up their game as far as criminal activity they might have fled the area and we
never will know who it was and it probably was multiple people as well do you think it's a possibility because you
know there's there's usually rumors amongst criminals right there's there's there's rumors amongst that crowd
um do you think that there's a possibility that these guys in jail that that maybe had heard a rumor that this
drug house was involved somehow with these girls or the death of Danny and thought you know what we're going to try
to help they're there's well not only that there's a reward and and maybe if if this rumor is right I'm gonna I'm
gonna pretend like I know something and uh maybe I get out early maybe I get released early you know maybe just kind
of taking a shot in the dark there yeah possibly but I think uh the VHS tape it's either just a
detail that you heard or you know it could have been detailed you made you make up I don't know to make yourself
seem a little more believable but uh I think there's some weight to this and and there makes and this Theory makes
some logical sense let's get into more theories right after this quick beer break
[Music] foreign we're back cheers mates cheers we have a confession to get to here and this is
from an article titled authorities investigate death row Killers claims this is from the Joplin Globe back in
May of 2002 and I'll read some pieces of this article so we can get a good idea of what's going on Tommy Lynn sells age
38 who is considered one of the nation's most prolific serial killers made the claim in a letter to the Joplin Globe
postmarked May 10th this is he's claiming to know the whereabouts of the two missing girls
cells had previously claimed involvement in the 1999 disappearance of Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible but he said that
he couldn't remember any details in the letter cells said he could now take authorities to where the girls are
buried he says that he wants you know what does he remember about December 30th well he
states that he he wants to say this that he remembers where the two bodies are and he believes he can take them to
the bodies and he also wants to remember a fire Tommy sells was a Drifter and sometimes Carnival mechanic during his
20-plus years on the road sells claims he has murdered more than 50 people authorities have confirmed 17 of his
kills some of them in Illinois Missouri and Oklahoma authorities said that they are skeptical of the serial Killer's
latest claim but said that they will talk to him right but what we do know is that he was in the area you know he has
killings in that area they they state that he would be considered a very good suspect or at
least a suspect and they said that they don't want to talk the authorities don't
want to talk about The credibility of anything because you know they're going to talk to them
because they don't have very many leads in this case and they want to check everything out well what happens when
they talk to them well his previous claim was that he couldn't remember anything or any of the details regarding
the case or the crime itself now after some some more time has elapsed now he's all of a sudden he's clear about what
happened and he can lead him to the bodies he can talk about the details of the murders
the end result is that they take him to where he said he disposed of the bodies and this was near the Red River which is
on the border of Oklahoma and Texas and the first of all they don't find any remains or any evidence uh that that the
girls were ever there or that their bodies were there furthermore the way that he had described the area and the
location of where they would find these bodies beforehand once they take him to the location it doesn't even match up
with with his description of where he says he placed the bodies furthermore he couldn't give any real
details about the crime itself regarding how the Freemans were killed how the crime went down
um he didn't know any details to to further make them believe that he had any insight to give them it was yeah and
you think with all these goofy false confessions that law enforcement would get to the point where they go okay well
in this scenario we have two dead bodies right give me details of these right before we
go on a wild goose chase looking for these missing girls well they actually did because he wanted to talk about this
previously and he couldn't provide him with any information so they didn't take him out on the road they waited until he
stated you know now now I know this information now I can pass along this information they believe that everything
that he was telling them was stuff that he would have been able to find in the newspapers right you know stuff that you
and I could have told them about the crimes so this basically goes nowhere and we're back to square one yeah this
leaves us with a second confession and this comes from a guy by the name of Jeremy Jones and I'll take you through a
little bit of his background so we can figure out if if his confession will carry more weight than that of tommyline
cells so back in 1997 uh Jones receives probation he's put on probation for five
years uh he's living in the Oklahoma area and during he's put on probation because he has committed sexual assault
three counts of sexual assault actually so he receives five years of probation right in the year 2000 in December of
2000 on the year 2000 he leaves Oklahoma and he goes to Alabama now during the course of him leaving the state he has
assumed a new identity and he's even received a social security number along with personal info he got this from a
woman whose son was in prison in Missouri so he steal this person's identity and he's now in Alabama well
while in Alabama in 2003 he's arrested for indecent exposure in 2004 he's arrested for criminal
trespassing now the problem here is Captain that during both of those arrests you know
fingerprints are taken and they fail to realize the real identity of this person
he's now going by the Alias of John Paul Chapman real name Jeremy Jones the authorities after two arrests they do
not make the connection that John Paul Chapman is actually Jeremy Jones in 2004 he is arrested for the rape slaying of a
45 year old woman this is Lisa Nichols and this took place in Alabama now he shot her he mutilated the body and he
set her trailer on fire the situation is as such he states that they were out together
that she asked him to come back to her home and at some point he believed she was
trying to rob him she was going through his things or his backpack or something like that and he flew into a
drug-induced rage killed her and set the trailer on fire the problem here is we have a situation where it's so much
similar to the Freeman murder you know we have people that were shot in a trailer trailer set on fire yeah he's
he's looking pretty suspicious at this point well to make matters worse you know we already have this horrific
killing of of the the woman Lisa Nichols but law enforcement failed to discover his true identity you know he was he was
on probation and that probation was revoked in the year 2000. so he would have he's a fugitive from the law at
this point so even though you have something as small as an indecent exposure or a criminal trespassing
charge this would they would they would then you know ship your butt back to Oklahoma
and poor Lisa Nichols would still be alive I don't want to harp on law enforcement too much because for those
of for those of people that don't know that the fingerprinting process is pretty complicated and it it's not
uncommon that the things identities or such could slip through the cracks regarding fingerprints one technology is
way ahead now and it but it's a little troubling when it happens you know more than once with the same individual
especially somebody as heinous as as Jeremy Jones as evil as he is because while he is while they're waiting to
convict him we we got a guy he ends up confessing to a total of 13 murders they only end up charging him with three
of those they could only find evidence enough to con get a conviction of three of those but what happens later is that
he then confesses to the murders of Danny Freeman Kathy Freeman and abducting Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible
and disposing of their bodies after he murders them his story goes that he knew somebody and
he knew a man I knew somebody okay well he knew a man named Charlie okay and Charlie was associated with Danny
I've heard several accounts of this story that that either Jeremy Jones was owed money by Danny Freeman or that
Danny Freeman owed this Charlie guy some money okay regardless that's his connection to
Danny Freeman he goes to the Freeman home to collect what what is his what he believes is his
he says that he spends hours driving around looking for the Freeman home this makes sense there's not a lot of proof
that he would have known where the home was with the exception of had he ever gone there with Charlie or received
information from Charlie then he might have known where their home is right but such a remote area it's it's very easy
if your friend lives in you know if your friend lives in a subdivision right that
if you drive around enough you go oh I remember this I remember that that's a lot harder to do in a remote
area well and I want to I want to read somebody's description of the Freeman's home so they can get an idea of how hard
I think that this home would be to find especially in the dark you know I know I
have I have several friends that live out in the sticks I'll I'll call it and but I've driven past I've been to their
homes many times and driven past the entrance to their home even in the broad daylight because they live so far off
the road uh it's not well marked but this is a description from a local person that I found regarding the
Freeman home they state that the Freeman's home is a trailer located just outside of Welsh City Limits it's
located at the end of a half mile dirt driveway the property is only identifiable by a simple mailbox that
sat on top of iron chain of an iron chain stand and it basically the only indication that you would have that
that's somebody's driveway and just not some random dirt road is this tiny little mailbox that's not you know it's
not lit um it's and they have a little do most people have glowing mailboxes well they
have a little no but they might have a light above or a street light would be located near the the driveway not this
situation and that there's a little bit of a rock formation near the driveway as
well that to the locals is the only indication that there is a home back there okay so where does this story go
from here he's at the home and he is he's murdered Danny and Kathy he then sets the trailer on fire and
unbeknownst to him that there were other people inside the the trailer he goes outside he's getting ready to leave the
property when the two girls come running out of the burning trailer all right so
let's back this up a little bit so he goes in to collect his money from Danny there's probably some kind of tussle
because like we know Danny has a broken collarbone so he gets shot then he has to shoot Kathy the wife
because she's there she's a witness yep okay so that all checks out driving around for a while
because you can't find the property it's hard to find it's night time that checks
out right there's two individuals in the trailer that he's not aware of so do the girls hear what's going on
and they just stay in their room and hide because you know he he doesn't know why they they didn't appear or doesn't
State why that he doesn't see them until or even know that they're in the home until the place is set on fire he says
that when they came out of the trailer real quick does he have a rough timeline of when he's claims he's he shows up to
the Freeman's home um this because we know that the boyfriend was there till probably 9 30
10 30. according to statements that I read this would put him in the Freeman home in the early morning hours of the
30th okay so so so we could assume the girls would be asleep and I I do want everybody to keep in mind
um that this is a bit of a vague confession and the reason I believe this is is because he is a well-known Jeremy
Jones is a well-known meth head um he might not be the details of this crime might not even be clear to him but
he's States anyway that the girls came rushing out of the trailer and to his surprise
they didn't know that he was the perpetrator of anything that had happened that had taken place before the
the trailer was Ablaze well maybe they slept through it he he says that they thought or assumed that he was passing
by and saw the fire and had intended to report it or to help in some manner so he gets them in his vehicle and they
willingly leave the property the problem is they're not going to be alive for very much longer because of
what kind of animal Jeremy Jones is right well and he he obviously seems like a sex offender yeah you know he
definitely is and he says that he drove them to a location that was about an hour away
um and he he assaulted one of the girls um one of the girls tried to run off uh he shot her and then murdered the other
girl and then he threw their bodies down into a mine shaft okay so the problem with this mine shaft
is that it's one of these there's multiple there's multiple pits and stuff in this location and it also has a
series of underground tunnels um that could be flushed out from time to time due to water right right so he
and he's confessing years later so yeah this is years and years of possible flushing of these mines
yeah and they the thing I don't like about his story and maybe and this would I want to know your thoughts
but the thing that I don't like about his story is that his story seems to make some
sense it makes a lot of sense even for a meth head uh you know um because it's like like you said
didn't know they were there he has a motive there's a logical explanation of why he would want Danny dead and then
there's obviously a logical explanation of why he wants Kathy dead because she's there right and he's probably in a
meth State anyways yeah you know up or down and I don't know much about it so I'm not captain of meth head
um but then the girls are there and here's this guy with you know these sexual demons
and he is a sexual demon exactly right so so that's what that's to me it's seems
like everything he's saying makes sense uh with the exception of they do they do
an extensive search of the area in the mine shafts these pits the tunnels nothing is found of the girls
um and immediately when he realizes that they didn't find anything well he takes
back his confession he's no longer confessing to to them that's probably a play by his lawyer though
um well here's the other thing too though you said he you know he confessed to 13 they only tried him for three yeah
but those held up yeah so okay so we so now we do have some evidence that this guy confesses to stuff that he actually
does do and then there is obviously enough evidence to find it because if he confessed and if they would have found
that body if they would have found those bodies right that that would have been enough to convict him right of course so
again I think that's a play from the lawyer you know and recant the statement um
when you compare the two confessions Tommy Lynn sells to Jeremy Jones Tommy Lynn sells he some of the things he
confessed to they were able to take off the books and clear because um his confessions were accurate however
I would throw Tommy Lynn cells into the category of he's probably Our Generations version of Henry Lee Lucas
um you know another another killer but somebody that confessed to multiple killings you know they they saw it on TV
and therefore he confessed and I think that I think Tommy Lynn sells was basically just a very weak Disturbed man
um and I certainly guilty of all multiple murders however I think he wanted to be much like Henry Lee Lucas
where he was thought as of some kind of Genius serial killer type I don't know if the authorities or if the media or if
Tommy Lynn sells himself gave him the nickname but he was known by the nickname of coast to coast you know
meaning he had killed multiple people in multiple States you're not going to ruin
my AM radio show for me and go ahead oh yeah calling him Coast to Coast um but regarding Jeremy Jones you know
we know he is he was from Oklahoma uh the strange thing too is that he leaves the state the following year
um you know it it don't I know that yes he was on probation yes his probation was revoked um and he became a fugitive
maybe he was running simply from that I would wonder if he was running from these four murders that he had committed
and later confessed to recap chanting that confession right again the only the only thing I believe about the recanting
is that it's a lawyer play and then also I mean as far as confessions go where does
um the Bible family stand on any of these confessions um if I had to guess what they would
would think and believe I their Theory laureen's Theory would probably lean most towards Jeremy Jones right and and
my you know my theory and the reason why we kind of hinted on this a little bit that how tough it would be to locate
their home it it would seem very strange to me that a person like Tommy Lynn sells
that that he would have been able to locate this home I don't think he knew these people I don't think he knew the
Freemans and it doesn't strike me that this is the type of home that some random killer traveling the streets
um you know there's a killer on the road quote Jim Morrison uh would just stumble
upon this home and commit this horrible crime yeah and I think with uh Jeremy Jones there's a connection to Danny for
one and then now just go with me on this this is not too far-fetched you need to collect money why
because your math head right so you go and you're gonna kill Danny then you're gonna kill Kathy
and then these girls come running out and you don't know a bunch of details of what has happened or what hasn't
happened right you're kind of blurry with your details but we have the first confession being these
people in jail saying well the rumor is that we heard or a party that we were at
could have been Charlie's house right and is this Charlie uh is this Charlie individual connected to this
meth house and is it is it possible that there's Jeremy Jones connected or Charlie connected to the Smith house
right and then that would make their story make sense and if any of those uh jail
house snitches I'd say could come forward and say Jeremy Jones was at that party then there's more
validity to that confession as well if that is the way it happened you're saying that Jeremy Jones would having
abducted the girls would then have something to barter with uh to try to obtain more drugs or pay back a debt to
his drug dealers right or because he killed Danny maybe he found some money you know in the
freezer maybe he didn't or maybe it was just I have these girls they're not aware that I killed their parents and
I'm going to take them to this party this drug party on New Year's they're putting the girls there I'm just saying
that that is a possibility there are some problems with his confession um he was arrested on the 30th at 4am
and this would have put him in the area of the Freeman home the problem with that is we have the medical examiner
stating that they believe I'm sorry she believes that Kathy Freeman was killed at 5am right
um so this would make one if that in fact is true I would love to know you know anytime we're doing these cases
there's always that one little tidbit of of knowledge that I think is needed to really hone in and Target and and
Bullseye a suspect right and so they're saying okay so the bit of information in
this one for me is that time of death how strong do they feel about that 5 a.m time time of day right 5 a.m time of
death but they're saying at 4am he's arrested so that puts him in the area yeah he
would have been about 10 or 11 miles away from the Freeman home at 4am when he's arrested he's arrested for like uh
he's intoxicated or high or something like that but he's arrested the other bit of knowledge that would be
interesting to find out is you know what belongings did he have on him at the time that he was arrested did he have a
large sum of money you know did he have hundreds and hundreds of dollars in his pockets when he when he was arrested
right or or was he alone and maybe he just can't you know maybe he's confessing to the crime because he
knows that he was involved somehow but maybe he wasn't alone so maybe you know maybe
the you know maybe they're basing the time of death off of when they think the fire was started
it's a possibility because the first known uh sighting of the fire would be at 5 30 a.m right and if you and if you
back it up and you say okay well uh you know Jeremy Jones and his friend Charlie
go to the house at midnight 1am the murders could take place then Jeremy Jones actually leaves the scene
and Charlie's still at the scene to have the fire start you kind of crossed you crossed into what we were going to get
to next here is regarding a tip that was received this was received um about a year maybe maybe two years ago
um but it was a tip that Laureen Bible had received on her there's a on her web page right yes yeah so she receives a
tip that somebody should look into The Well of this old uh old Charlie Critter house now Critter lives in Kansas
um but because of the state line it's not terribly far from the Freeman home um and
here's the other thing now according to Laureen Charlie and Danny knew each other right
so here's what I'm getting at here and Jeremy Jones states that he knew this Charlie guy that Danny owed money to but
he never says it's Charlie Critter he just says Charlie this guy named Charlie now the according to local newspapers
not only did Charlie Critter know Danny Freeman because they might they they don't in the local papers I couldn't
find any drug connection but according to Laureen there's a drug connection there
the local papers state that they knew one another because a they had worked together at one point and B that Critter
owned several uh cattle that were that lived on the Freeman property so there's another connection to this
this Critter guy well they they they're given this tip to search The Well of of his former home right they searched the
well um they send cameras down deep into the well and they find they they found no
evidence that there there was definitely no bodies in there the only thing I believe they found was some old some old
bucket but there was no other type of uh debris that would lead you to believe that there were any personal belongings
or clothing or anything of that nature again what I was saying though is you know with Jeremy Jones confessing maybe
it's just not implementing his buddy Charlie and I think all this as well well who is
Charlie Charlie's a guy that's currently spending he's got to serve 14 years in prison for second-degree murder he
murdered a woman he's a bad hombre he murdered a woman and uh they found her body in a creek
um and the situation is they don't believe that they couldn't find any evidence of sexual assault
um so maybe he's not the same kind of animal that uh Jeremy Jones is but you're exactly right Captain we have a
situation where it's very likely that this Charlie character that Jeremy Jones says he knows is in fact the same
Charlie Critter that we've been talking about that knew Danny that was rumored that he owed money to one or both of
these people here's what here's what I think happened I think that right so we've given our
theories now I think we got to because we've been kind of beating around it the whole time here uh the I think that the
two of them probably committed this crime together and I think that that's the only way that you could make the
timeline make sense regarding uh Jeremy Jones's involvement well his arrest right because him being arrested at 4am
is that right yeah uh that is what kind of puts the wrinkle on the whole confession and Laureen Bible her belief
is that the the connection between the crimes is in the murderers is is Danny Freeman that somebody came to the
trailer that night looking for Danny for some reason right and this was the result and I'm going to give her the
benefit of the doubt and I'm going to believe what her gut tells her because I can tell from all the research and
reading that I've done that nobody has spent more time on this case case and on this investigation the then Laureen
Bible of course and she knows that she knows the players involved well she knows the characters and she knows the
landscape she she knows everything and on top of that her motive for getting answers is stronger than anybody because
of the loss of her daughter and I I think that two people or more had to commit this crime because of one simple
fact okay well let's make it two simple facts but they're pretty much the same thing okay
we know we've described Danny Freeman very well to everybody it's easy to say that he has a temper
there's no reason to think that if he was confronted or put in a situation that he didn't want to be in that he
would not fight back he this this is a guy that would fight back 100 percent and second of all is rumored to have a
stockpile of guns and firearms on his property you do not I don't care how much meth you do I don't care how dumb
you are or how evil you are you do not approach a man or his property that is of that character and has that amount of
weapons by yourself well you're and the reason why they would be approaching him
is to get money to get money or to right so when you're going to go collect money
from somebody you don't show up empty-handed right right and I think what happened here I think that we have
two terrible individuals we have Critter and we have his buddy Jeremy Jones Critter and it's not a stretch to
believe that they those two knew each other that they went to that home together to confront Jeremy or sorry
Danny about money uh well or or he's making drugs like I said or he's making drugs yeah most likely could have went
there to collect money or just straight up to rob the guy right and they get in this scuffle they get in this situation
and then we have Jeremy Jones look because it could be as simple as uh you know I'm out you know creepy Critter is
over there and he's has his cattle and Danny just opens up the freezer and get some ice for a beer or something
oh what's that in the freezer oh my daughter's saving up for you know or they knew there was money on
the property right right you know it was also believed that Danny had some kind of collection that was full of valuables
maybe they went there to collect that or or there was just a disagreement you never know but giving the character of
these two guys of Critter and Jones I I and it to me I I'm with you on the fact that it doesn't seem like it's just
a lone individual that it would more likely be to individuals but I still feel like there's some validity to the
the jailhouse snitches and that and like I said because the in one of the issues here is
because Jeremy Jones is a meth head his story it makes so much sense but there's so
many gaps and so many kind of just dark spots that that if he could remember those or if he would have stated those
and I think maybe some of that some of the stuff he's not stating correctly is because he doesn't want to implement uh
Charles and probably the reason why is because he knows that if he ever got out or if
he ever was confronted with this individual again he could get killed by him well you know and
these two guys are very in some ways very different from one another uh Critter has never confessed to to the
murder that he has been convicted of um he's not you know talking about it he actually claims that he was framed
um Jones as we know he he from time to time will sing like a bird and tell you you know every confession that he can
think of uh Jones did know it's kind of a douchey bird but yeah Jones did know what type of gun they were killed with
uh he also knew what accelerant was used to set the fire so that's all I need we have evidence
there and the reason why I think it was the two of them is that I here's the thing a little insight here Jeremy Jones
you know we talked about this when we covered Bundy a little bit and we talked about it a little bit with the yogurt
shop murders Jeremy Jones is a serial rapist okay he's a Serial sex offender in every sense of the word he's somebody
that's been convicted of such crimes before he started murdering sometimes we see with these serial killers that
cannot control themselves because that's the type of monster that they are that they graduate from from rape to murder
and I think that's what we have here with Jeremy Jones I think that if he were there if he were there that night
there is no way he could have walked away from that trailer without abducting those girls that that's the sick
individual that he is that's his addiction more so than methamphetamine more so than the drugs and the alcohol
that is his number one drug of choice is is rape and I think that that we have a
situation where they abducted these girls and they were able to get away with it because there was two of them
and Jeremy Jones fits into the timeline because he was not involved after the hours of 4 am right and like I said I
mean I when you can tell me what gun they used and you can tell me what accelerant they
used that's believable the other thing too is there's some evidence about cars being
in the area that night yeah there there were two vehicles that were spotted near
the Freeman home again a remote area there might not be any reason for cars to be in that area uh too one was a dark
uh colored vehicle um and it was a very vague description given it was a dark colored sedan uh the
other vehicle that was spotted between this was between five and six a.m that morning
um the other vehicle would have been a dark colored truck um it's the way that I've heard this
reported is that these are two separate sightings which would mean to me that these vehicles weren't seen together
um but what that makes me wonder furthermore is we have this arrest record of Jeremy Jones what were his
possessions was he in a dark-colored sedan or or a dark colored truck um I know he would have been arrested at
4 AM and these sightings were later did he have any did he have a large amount of money on him you know these are these
are the questions that that I would like to know the strange thing here though Captain is that law enforcement they do
not report the sightings of these vehicles to the public until like 10 or 11 years after the crime they're
basically stating this is some information that we got right after the crime took place right we held on to it
because they were very vague descriptions of vehicles and now we're going to release this
information because we want to know if anybody saw the same thing or has any idea what if this has anything to do
with the crime at all why but I also think that we're seeing law enforcement get a lot smarter and
you know given information to the public earlier now yeah and I think the more they do that the more they're willing to
say hey we have this piece of evidence and maybe somebody would know something when this case is you know hot when the
case is uh you know public the public is concerned about the case you're going to
get more answers now jumping back to the first theory that we discussed that the
the girls had perpetrated these murders um you know and I just want to touch on this because I don't want anybody to to
tell us we missed something here but there were sightings of these girls after the fact right
um law enforcement has dismissed most of these sightings for the simple fact that
they were receiving sightings of the girls being in different states on the same day meaning that Ashley could have
been spotted on one side of the country on Wednesday and she was spotted on the other side of the country on that same
Wednesday right um so they you know when you when you post these pictures and you send them
out people tend to see things maybe that's why they held back the information on these vehicles that they
didn't want to get overloaded with unnecessary tips that might lead them in the wrong Direction yeah and like I said
from the beginning the minute I saw Ashley's picture I thought well that's my middle school girlfriend I mean it
looks exactly like her um so I don't know I think sometimes when people hear about missing people they
kind of see what they want to see well 16 years after the crime took place we have local law enforcement calling for
tips they're asking the public to put in their two cents and tell us what you saw
tell us what you've heard tell us what you know the thing that's disconcerting about
this this plea for help from local law enforcement to me is is the fact that within this request for information the
District Attorney's Office states that they are encouraging anyone that has called in tips in the last 16 years and
if you are wondering if the information has been followed up on please contact your local law enforcement again
you know so kind of I think I think they're wondering what tips may have fallen through the cracks throughout the
years they're letting the public know that they have new people and all of the sheriff's offices all of the District
Attorney's offices there's new eyes new Minds new people manning these desks and
Manning the the offices please submit these tips to these new people in case this stuff fell through the cracks so we
can piece this together one yeah that's what they're saying that's the importance of what they're saying is and
that's what and what makes it so odd is please report whatever you reported 16 years ago again yeah and the conclusion
of this story I mean we kind of believe Jeremy Jones's confession and if they can find some more links maybe there'd
be some closure for the family or if you could get him to turn on Critter or Critter to turn on Jones would be
another way to go with it I I think they're going to have to find the bodies of the girls at this point to believe
any confessions that come out I think that's the only way that that you'll you'll be able and again like I said the
problem with Jones is you know he's a drug addict so uh and Ashley Freeman was actually declared legally dead by her
family October 18 2010. um as we had said earlier the Bible family remains at on the front line of
this investigation um Laureen Bible and her husband Jay Bible are really uh the driving force
behind the remaining investigation yeah and if you have any tips or any any information or just want to help out you
can check out their Facebook page it's fine Laura Bible and that's Laura l a u r i a yeah yeah
uh and I want to give a quick uh a statement that uh Laureen Bible had stated she says that they will never
declare Laura legally dead um she states that they have come to the conclusion that Laura was in the wrong
place at the wrong time they still feel that she is still alive but whether she is alive or dead they
want to know what happened and our hearts go out to them do we have a recommended reading for this week uh yes
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Missing Welch Girls /// Part 2 /// 108

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In the early morning hours of December 30th, 1999 in Welch, Oklahoma a trailer home fire is reported. Firefighters arrive and put out the blaze. The dead body of wife and mother Kathy Freeman is discovered. Her husband, daughter and a family friend are missing. Law Enforcement theorized Kathy’s husband Danny shot her, set the home on fire and abducted his daughter Ashley and her friend Lauria. The following day, to everyone’s surprise Lauria’s family looking for clues at the scene of the fire find the dead body of Danny Freeman. Tonight we gather in the garage and discuss what could have possibly happened that night in the trailer. We also want to know what happened to Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved murders of the Freeman family and the disappearance of Ashley Freeman and Laura Bible, exploring various theories and confessions.

Key points

The Disappearance of Ashley Freeman. Two teenage girls went missing after a tragic incident that left their parents dead.
Police Conspiracy Theories. Exploring theories about police involvement in the murders and disappearances.
Mysterious Nurse's Death. A nurse involved in the case was killed shortly after giving interviews.
Confessions from Jailhouse Informants. Jailhouse informants claim knowledge of the girls' abduction, but their credibility is questionable.
Tommy Lynn Sells' Letter. Prolific serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells claims to know where the missing girls are buried.
Jeremy Jones' Disturbing Confession. Jeremy Jones confesses to the murders of the Freeman family and the abduction of the girls.

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I never would have thought law enforcement would be involved.

Discussion on police involvement

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