JonBenet Ramsey ////// Santa Claus | Forensic Files

unknown intruder [Applause] [Music] Andre Ramsay [Music] [Music] [Music] it's been over 20 years since JonBenet
Ramsey was murdered inside her home and still to this day we are looking for the killer we are looking for who did
this now the experts who have looked at this case over the years there are some that
point toward the intruder theory as it has become known proponents of the intruder theory include a and E who did
their documentary on the Jon Benet case as well as famous retired FBI agent John
Douglas and retired law enforcement officer Lew Schmitt John Douglas believes that there was an intruder and
that the motive for the killing was something against John Ramsey somebody had an axe to grind against John Ramsey
maybe this was revenge had it out for John and Patsy we don't know but that's part of his theory
Lew Schmitt on the other hand believes in the intruder theory as well with a slight variation he believes that
we are looking for somebody that was sexually motivated that this was a pedophile
that broke into the home with the sole purpose of sexually assaulting this young girl attempting to kidnap her but
unsuccessfully now we've put together a list of potential suspects in this case so let's get into some of these suspects
and some of the interesting weirdos in this case and I'd like to start off with a man named JT Koufax aka
James Michael Thompson he was 34 years old back in 1997 when he was arrested in June this for deciding to set fire to
the Ramsey's unoccupied home on 15th Street he did this as he says not because he
had anything against the Ramseys but because he wanted to get back at the authorities he attempted to set fire to
the home by lighting newspapers and pages from Anne Rice's famous book interview with a vampire he lights these
things on fire and then he's stuffing them through the mail slot at the Ramseys home his plan failed due to the
general construction of the home the floor from my understanding is marble and so the burning pages once stuffed
through the slot land on the marble floor and lay there until burning out this did however manage to leave a good
amount of soot on the walls and the ceiling okay so if JT Colfax aka James Michael Thompson didn't do this because
he had it out for the Ramseys well what was his beef with the authorities Colfax
was employed as a cadaver transporter by a denver company this occupation and Koufax's actions will lead to two other
arrests one for when he had a call to go to the Boulder County morgue for a pickup while he was waiting around he
noticed the logbook and the entry with JonBenet's name on it he tore the sheet out of the logbook and took some
additional pages as well this would lead to a theft charge for stealing pages from a coroner's logbook showing the
arrival of JonBenet's body at the county morgue his other arrest came when he attempted
to walk out of a photo processing store without paying for the rolls of photos he picked up the photos turned out to be
pictures of corpses with party favors and signs attached to the bodies with phrases such as getting fired isn't the
end of the world or yeehaw and happy birthday he called the photos works of art he served time for all of these
charges this is somebody that's very strange with some very strange actions and behaviors that seem to be circling
around this case I don't believe that he has ever been officially named a suspect
captain next we have Gary Olivia he's 32 year old sex offender living in Boulder
Colorado when Jon Benet was killed mm-hmm the convicted pedophile had been living in the area on and off and mm
Gary was arrested for a drug charge when searching the man police find a magazine
cutout of Jon Benet Ramsey in his backpack according to Rolling Stone magazine the Ramseys private
investigator Ollie gray once referred to Olivia's ties to Jon Benet as a quote bombshell arrest in the case
and lambasted the Boulder PD for failing to consider him a more credible suspect
soon after Olivia's high school friend Michael Vale stepped forward with an allegation supporting Gray's suspicion
Vale claimed that not long after the murder a distraught Olivia called him on the phone and confessed to his longtime
pal that he quote hurt a little girl I thought he actually caught him on the 26 Vail makes some strong claims about
Olivia and I'm not going to go into all of them but they are well they're disturbing to say the least
Vale also said that in his opinion the knots for the garage that strangled Jon Benet were similar to those used in an
incident where Olivia attempted to choke his mother to death with a telephone cord and when Gary Olivia
was arrested they also found in his possession a stun gun several experts on this case have said after viewing photos
of JonBenet's body that the attacker may have used a stun gun to subdue and control the child
olivia has arrests for possessing child pornography as well Olivia by his own admission lived about eight blocks away
from the Ramseys and was seen and photographed at the one year memorial vigil held for Jon Benet in front of the
Ramseys Boulder home day he's not hard to pick out because he looks like the creep he looks like a
guy that when you close your eyes and go okay what what kind of guy do I picture
that's been convicted of these types of charges you go oh and you open up your eyes and you see his picture you go yeah
that that makes sense yeah he's he's a creepy but also scary-looking man in my opinion yeah he's not a guy that some of
these PTO's you go hey leave me in a room with that guy I'll take care of them this guy you might not want to be
locked in a room with him well and I didn't go into all of Bale's allegations against what type of person
and what this dude is capable of right because it's very disturbing and in some shocking things to hear but what I can
say is this is an individual that if veil is correct that if his allegations are in fact true then this man is very
violent and very violent towards those weaker than him towards people that are in animals that are just kind of
defenseless wasn't there rumors that he had a shrine to JonBenet I saw those rumors as well the only thing that I
could back up was the statement that there was a picture on his person at the time of his arrest of JonBenet they had
been cut out of a magazine I couldn't verify this elsewhere but according to Rolling Stone magazine they
say he's been cleared by DNA testing for the JonBenet murder yes this famous DNA
right next up captain we have a man named michael helguth they call him boot man or simply boots
he's another potential suspect this according to ollie gray remember the Ramsay's private investigator Michael
helguth who worked in a nearby auto salvage yard he was apparently in some kind of property dispute with the
Ramseys now this could be one of many motivating factors for this when the then 26 year old man went to seek
revenge against John Ramsey in 1997 the boulder district attorney delivered a speech at a press conference
complete with the promise of justice for JonBenet and that this case will be solved he pointed out that they have
suspects and as law enforcement continues to work their investigation that list of suspects will shrink until
there is just one left you speaking to the killer this was a powerful announcement scripted with carefully
chosen words letting the killer know that the bolder DA was zeroing in on a new suspect helguth according to his
coworker at the time of the murder this is John Kennedy he says helguth exhibited a bevy of disturbing behaviors
sparing everyone the details he was known for what I call severe cruelty to animals he once said to Kennedy I wonder
what it would be like to crack a skull now anybody that's listened to our Jon Benet autopsy episode knows exactly what
we are hinting at here in November of 1996 he told his co-worker that he and an associate were going to make fifty to
sixty thousand dollars each remember the ransom note was for one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars
total then after Christmas helguth seemed depressed and his coworker says he thinks he was depressed because he
did not make this large amount of money that he was talking about November yeah cuz on the side he would buy old
vehicles and restore them so they had these plans to buy certain vehicles and now he didn't have the money them the
money didn't come in that he was claiming he was gonna get so if he stood to make fifty or sixty thousand dollars
from some kind of unknown business adventure then right but he said yeah we buy up all these cars and turn it into
even more money is what you're saying great oddly enough and this could just be a coincidence
it could be something incredibly important but the day after the DEA speech this says we are zeroing in on a
suspect Pell goth he turns up dead after his death police search his things and photos of his so let's just go back
because most people believe it was a suicide but because of certain pieces of evidence it could lead somebody to
believe that it was possibly murder and set up to look like a suicide correct when they're searching his items
they're searching photos of his police saw to things of particular interest one a stun gun and two a pair of black
high-tech brand boots this is believed that they would have matched or possibly matched one of two sets of unidentified
foot prints found in the Ramseys basement even more disturbing with in Helga's video collection was a news
station story about an unsolved murder seemingly hidden in the middle of a movie
law enforcement stated that the video plays along and then boom in the middle of this movie it breaks to like news
coverage it all sudden has news coverage on there from channel 4 regarding the abduction and murder of a five-year-old
girl who was found stuffed into a sleeping bag in Deer Creek Canyon this case is from 1993 now as you were
getting to hear captain this is the time for the speculation and something that many people have offered their opinions
on over the years the belief is officials found an unidentified boot print and an unidentified shoe print at
the crime scene and helguth owned boots that would match that print helguth caught wind that he was a suspect and
decided to take his own life committing suicide just a day after the 1997 press conference the famous press
conference where district attorney Alex hunter says I want to say something to the person or persons that committed
this crime the person or persons that took this baby from us I mentioned the list of suspects narrows and soon there
will only be one left on the list and it will be you you have stripped us of any
mercy we may have had in the beginning of this case we you will see that justice is served in
this case and that you pay for what you did many people believe that the District Attorney was hinting at the
idea of seeking the death penalty for whoever is responsible for this murder and this could scare the offender even
more so the thought and speculation here captain his death his suicide being a further sign of guilt that he was close
or felt that he was close to being apprehended so what if helguth was a suspect and what if he did as many
believe some people suggest that he could have had an accomplice well if so then many point toward John
Stephen Gygax being the accomplice John a man with a criminal record that court documents summarized as violence and a
history of sexual assault what makes this theory even more complicated is the suggestion helguth
did not commit suicide but was killed by someone maybe Gygax this to prevent helguth from confessing during the
interrogation or from turning himself in and then singing like a bird and turning
in his accomplice as well well I think of the crime scene they found the gun in his sub-dominant hand not his dominant
hand yes so he shot himself and he shot himself in the chest or somebody shot him in the chest and placed the gun in
his hand it's also a weird place to shoot yourself if you're trying to kill yourself
correct now Gygax in his defense and by all accounts that I could find captain of his own free will
he was the one that reached out and contacted Boulder authorities and he says he provided them with documentation
that proves he was not in Boulder Colorado on December 25th 1996 right Billis think about this first
saying he's running around saying that he's gonna get some money coming to some money possibly fifty to sixty thousand
that would put us at the 1/18 mark that's in the ransom note mm-hmm so he's not getting this money from his partner
it doesn't seem like maybe they're being hired by somebody out so maybe possibly the person that was
gonna hire them since it was about botched job and was afraid that maybe they would go to authorities that they
got rid of him and then the partner that was involved contacts the police because
he's afraid that the same thing that happened to how goth is gonna happen to him yeah the the problem with hel goth
is there's so much speculation around him regarding I mean everything about the guy one is he even connected to did
he ever think he was a suspect but three did he commit suicide four I mean people
commit suicide for a million different reasons or was he murdered by somebody to cover it could have covered anything
up well one of the reasons why he is a pretty big suspect in a lot of people's eyes when they're looking at this case
is because seeing is believing it's good to be seen and it's good to see you and
when you see the pictures from either the suicide scene or a murder scene you see the stun gun you see the boots that
possibly match the prints found in the Ramseys home so I think just by seeing it you go oh well there it is it's right
in front of us possibly I think the problem here with helguth is again the speculation involved and in the leaps
you have to make to make him a really good suspect one we have no confirmation that a stun gun was used in the attack
against Jon Benet at all it's just correct that in itself a regulation so but right but what I'm stating is once
you see at this suicide scene or or this murder scene oh there's a stun gun in the picture
there there's the high tech boots in the picture I think that's why people have been able to make other leaps because
they can see something and seeing is believing well what you're seeing there is evidence that you cannot exclude him
yeah as a suspect you're seeing things that point to possible reasons that would make him a suspect if in fact
though puzzle pieces fit somewhere we can't confirm that they fit regarding the boots themselves in the unidentified
boot print or shoe print that was found in the Ramseys basement that's very troubling that we have unidentified shoe
prints in the Ramseys basement we have people that that fight and argue about was an intruder wasn't an inside job you
could take those unidentified prints and make an argument for either side of that
argument you you there were so many people in the basement the people coming in and out be it before the murder or
after because we have a contaminated crime scene that it could be that the the prints mean nothing but the prints
could also point toward a possible intruder the the trouble again with helguth is just one more factoid in
there is that we don't have a confirmed size for this boot print there's no there's nobody out there that has said
they were absolutely this size in fact it has been ruled that they could not determine the size the exact size of the
boot print so would in fact those boots even match up with that print and again with this famous DNA I believe they've
asked the family of how goth to cooperate and and let them try to get some DNA to test and I believe they have
said no I'm glad you threw that in there because this is one thing that we've run
into with this case it's been reported so many times over the more than 20 years now and reported so many different
ways by so many different sources it's tough to keep things straight sometimes and one thing that I found extremely
troubling in regards to Michael Hale goth is several sources in print say he's been cleared by DNA and I I throw
that back at the wall to see if it sticks and I don't know that it sticks because I wonder if if truly if the jury
is out if still out on this one because not every source that he has been cleared well those act
in fact as you pointed out I have some sources that say they they're seeking DNA they are seeking more evidence on
this particular suspect yeah it's very interesting like I was telling you that Lu Smith's family has taken the list of
suspects that he basically was narrowing down his search and they've been asking
those individuals to submit DNA a lot of them have and based off that DNA they've
been able to clear that individual or base off more investigative work they've been able to clear that individual so
it's interesting that his family decided to keep going with his work and believing in this work even though they
don't come from a law enforcement background and in that documentary I was watching about the family going after
new suspects that's what it stated that they have already asked for the DNA and I've been denied it by the family so but
again a lot of these documentaries put in whatever evidence they want to go with their narrative
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Ramsey home that may have killed JonBenet Ramsey and if we're talking intruders well we would be remiss to not
talk about possible Santa Claus coming down the chimney into the Ramsey home and killing this young innocent girl we
are referencing of course built McReynolds who is now deceased he was a friend of the Ramseys who dressed up
like Santa Claus to entertain the neighborhood children this at several of Patsy's famous Christmas gatherings he
went as far to introduce himself as Santa bill and liked when people called him Santa bill if you think he makes a
good suspect and if you like the Santa Claus Theory the theory may go something like this this is from rolling stone
McReynolds was rumored to have paid a little too much attention to Jon Benet going so far as to arrange a secret
visit from Santa Claus this after Christmas now this is complete speculation we know that Jon Benet
referenced a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas right we don't know that if that means it was Bill
McReynolds Santa bill that set this up supposedly he wanted Jon Benet to be his quote special friend going so far as to
bring a vial of glitter gifted to him by the six-year-old with him into heart surgery even
stranger he asked his wife to mix the gold glitter in with his ashes if he were to die this particular story
generated buzz in the Denver Post but failed to amount to anything more than what many have called the
sensationalized character assassination of a friendly old man that's what they say but I say
let's look at this a little more closely because I think some people will see more than just a sensationalized
character assassination bill McReynolds is a retired Colorado University journalism professor he retired in 1992
he was about 66 years old when Jon Benet was killed he grew his beard long so a natural long white beard this was when
he signed up to play a role in a local play then later he was hired by Maryland House to play Santa at the mall
he played Santa for the Ramseys in 1994 95 and 96 at their parties he had bypass
surgery on August 23rd 1996 he and his wife Janet were invited by the Rameses to attend JonBenet's memorial service
some publications state the job at a gave McReynolds a tour of the ramsey home in 1995 some publications say 1996
either way what seems to be clear here apparently this did happen the only thing in question is which year yeah and
I would argue that it's possible that it happened both years hey saying let me show you the house again one report I
found captain says that Jon Benet called Bill old Sam now another story that would have the year in question is Jon
Benet gave him a vial of glitter that she said was Stardust he would later say in all of the years he played Santa and
for all the kids that he saw throughout that time she was the only one to give him a gift again some publications say
she gave him the Stardust in 95 some say 90 six one publication which I think could
in fact have it correct says this happened on two occasions once in 95 and again in 96 it would have happened had
to have happened in 95 for the story about his heart surgery to be correct his alibi for the night in question was
he was sleeping he went to bed at 10:00 p.m. now captain I think he and his wife
were at their mountain home like a weekend vacation home this would have been about 30 miles away this alibi was
investigated by many the alibi includes more than just his wife at least five other people would have been present
that night here's where things get strange the McReynolds their nine-year-old daughter was kidnapped on
the day after Christmas December 26th 1974 mm-hmm 22 years before quick with the math then we also have Janet
McReynolds his wife she wrote a play called hey rube the play is a fictional account of the basement murder of 16
year old Sylvia likens in Indianapolis Indiana well hold on a second so the daughter is kidnapped with her friend
and I believe the friend was actually molested and the daughter witnessed that but the daughter herself was not
molested and both were let go yes and this was never solved and then two years later his wife will write this play
that's based off a different crime correct and people point toward the basement murder of a young girl as being
a connection here right was the motivation for writing the play are these two factors are they coincidence
or just too much to be a coincidence I would actually cross the second one out this Janet writing the play about
the murdered teen who was killed in a basement and I state that because of that case it's a real-life case and it's
extremely famous case at least two ball are written about the case and then later in 2007 the film an American crime
was released this is a very good movie disturbing and haunting that is about the life and murder of sylvia likens we
should point out too that other than being a child Sylvia was 16 and being killed in a basement the murders could
not be more different mm-hmm Sylvia's case was quickly solved she was not killed in her basement she was staying
or living with a caregiver who turned out to be a sadistic old and evil woman and she and her children along with some
of their friends killed Sylvia shortly after the memorial service for Jon Benet bill and Janet went to Spain so this
made them very difficult to interview for police this was a long trip the McReynolds say they were not hiding
from anyone they didn't run away to Spain in fact the Spain trip was a coincidence they had they proved that
the trip was planned and booked well in advance this being in June of 1996 John Ramsey suggested that maybe bill
McReynolds dressed as Santa fed jump in a pineapple the night that she was killed and that he sat next to her while
she ate and he drank a cup of tea mm-hmm we point to this because we know from some of the crime-scene photographs that
they photographed a bowl of what appears to be pineapple on the table and nearby
you have what appears to be a cup of tea yeah got a little the little tea bag down in the cup yeah and we don't have
fingerprints on the bowl we don't have JonBenet Ramsey's fingerprints on the bowl but we do have a pineapple like
substance that was found in her stomach so we know at some point of that evening
she ate pineapple and then the parents claimed they never fed her pineapple before she went to bed and apparently
bill was known to drink hot tea well I actually believe it's could be a little bit easier than that because if we have
a six-year-old girl that I believe is on the 23rd or 24th I'm not really for sure but when she
gets in the argument with her friend's mom and says Santa Claus is gonna visit me of course he's gonna visit you he
visits every kid on Christmas know good ones yeah no no she says after Christmas a special
visit to me this is the theme in the case that has always been so odd and so is it possible that she fell asleep on
the ride home from all the parties she's a little 6 year old girl she's tired she
falls asleep and then she wakes up and she goes oh tonight Santa Claus is gonna come visit me and so she went downstairs
on her own fed herself pineapple waiting for this visit from Santa Claus I agree
with you 100% I mean the this is one of the more odd details within this story it's one of the very few items within
this story that's almost foreshadowing that something very bad is about to happen
it just doesn't it's something that the in hindsight makes sense that it that it
lines up and it's it's eerie it truly is it I put this in the same category as the the phantom 911 came from their
Christmas party right now bill was not without his own secrets he regularly visited adult bookstores this
unbeknownst to his wife John Ramsey suggested the SBT C and the ransom note ransom letter as I would call it could
actually be SB JC which he said could stand for Santa Bill Janet Claus but hold on a second - Janet his wife is a
movie critic that that's one of the things she writes for the paper so it doesn't have to be Santa bill Janet
Claus it could still be SB TC and some people think that means Santa bill the critic
interesting I like trying to figure out what s BTC or maybe it is s BJC which I agree with you you when you look at it
on the paper it's possible that it could be the intention was to write a J not a
T I think is fascinating to try to figure out what that could stand for however I think none of them that I have
heard none none that anyone has pointed out have have I gone ooh that's interesting
every one of them seemed to be a leap like just a weird connecting words that I don't think should be connected yeah
but I mean look at the BTK strangler BTK what the heck does that mean we'd have no clue what that meant until
we have the actual killer coming out and stating this is what that means right when the McReynolds returned to Boulder
from Spain they cooperated with the police in the way of submitting fingerprints blood hair and handwriting
samples later Boulder da Mary Lacey says that she had McReynolds as her prime suspect for a time his handwriting is
listed as questionable but his DNA is not a match according to a candy rose.com which has a large database on
this case no but there's also some speculation that his DNA was never collected so again it's one of those
details in this case that you can't find the correct answer one article does state that the handwriting sample quote
eliminated bill McReynolds again as you just pointed out there are many details within this story that are argued
different ways now we do know that the Ramseys by their own admission hired a private investigator
I'm sorry private investigators to watch bills house for some time so the Ramseys
obviously not only just John's statements but also the actions of the Ramseys paying people to watch bill in
his home for a period of time next captain we have sand as son Jesse McReynolds he was
interesting to police because of his police record he served two and a half years in an Arizona prison for
aggravated robbery and kidnapping and he has an unverifiable alibi for the night
in question Jesse lives in Nederland Colorado this is about a 30 minute drive to Boulder
Jesse says he was home alone that night drinking scotch and then he took some of
his prescription medication and he went to bed that night scotch scotch scotch scotch I love scotch home alone that
night he has provided police with fingerprints blood and handwriting samples Steve Thomas a detective that
we've referenced many times who worked the case right says that the handwriting sample eliminated Jesse McReynolds
that's in his opinion or provided to him by the experts hired by the DA mm-hmm let's stay on Sanibel for a little bit
because this kidnapping 22 years on the same day hmm it just seems very fishy and it also seems very fishy to me
that his daughter and her friend were taken we now have a sexual assault on a minor but not to his daughter and I
would think that in this case that's not solved the parents would be suspects just like they would be in the Ramsey
case so I like that as a key piece of evidence the other thing too is I can't get over the fact that a six-year-old is
saying that Santa Claus is going to visit her after Christmas that same six year old is found in our basement dead
and that she has a relationship probably too close of a relationship with a man that is a family friend a place Santa
Claus then when you got this odd ransom note seems like we have a lot of movie references
well who's gonna watch a lot of movies a movie critic who's gonna probably watch
those movies with his critic wife the husband Santa bill the other thing that I find
odd is that Santa bill would carry around these stuffed animals with him there were like his helpers and most of
the time they were dressed in Christmassy outfits and there was a bear that was found on JonBenet Ramsey's bed
you can see it in the crime-scene photos now supposedly this bear has gone missing since and the I looked for days
because I thought this was as important as JonBenet saying that she's going to be visited by Santa Claus after
Christmas now one source that I found said that this bear was actually bought for
remember how she won Miss Christmas yeah they said that a lot of the people participating got these Santa Claus
bears but these bears look very similar to the Bears that sing um saying a bill would carry around and they even asked
his son about them hey you see this bear doesn't this look kind of like what your
dad carries around he's like that looks pretty much identical to something he would carry around so I find that odd
what another thing about Santa bill is when you're asleep and yes you're 30 miles away so you have to get in your
car that's a long drive if everybody else is asleep as long as you get back before they wake up you're good to go so
I don't really count that as a solid alibi I question the alibi as well I mean there's no saves his wife but yeah
and I wanted to point out that it was investigated by many and that includes you know Boulder detectives it includes
journalists it includes the private investigators I mean it's a lot of different people coming from a lot of
different angles that did investigate that alibi the problem is I don't know what
investigated that alibi means that's the only statement given I don't have we don't have confirmation that says all
these 18 different people or these different agencies all can confirm without question that these five to
seven people can account for Bill's whereabouts for the night of Christmas now May says it was investigated but I
have to believe that they buy that statement that they believe it to be true but I wanted a little more than
than just that and then regarding his the the kidnapping of his daughter and her friend twenty two years to the day
right again it's another situation one because it's 1974 there's very little information about that particular crime
other than its unsolved so I don't know if they had reason to believe that they knew who did it or if they had a really
good suspect in that case and likely there's a chance that if the other girl was the one that was molested she of may
may have been in fact the target it's it's but the thing that you can't get over and if anybody tells me that they
can get a get over it let's sit down and have a beer because twenty two years to
the day there's 365 days in a year and it happens on the same date that's just friggin weird to me it's a it sounds
like something that you would see in a movie or or a fictionalized version of of some kind of crime right and but to
call this Santa bill a pedophile I don't think we have any no you're right you have no evidence of that that would be
way out of bounds right but it's also but he's creepy to me man he's creepy but on top about right but on top of
that we know with pedophiles that put themselves in situations to be around children which he is doing and the fact
that he also would be going to adult store video stores to me I don't have a problem with that my issue is the fact
that your wife didn't know about it that becomes creepy to me the thing that's that's odd about that to me is that he
like he doesn't try to hide this from the police mm-hmm I think they found out on their own and they present it to him
and he he was embarrassed but they there they say his reaction wasn't that of somebody that's guilty of anything more
than that particular action they believed he was just embarrassed one for for other people knowing this and his
statement to them now mind you this has not been released to the public as far as the details go but his generalised
statement to the detectives was that he has some type of fantasy that that he's not his wife is unaware of that it's
something that he's he's been into for a long time like kids what's that I'm just
gonna say like kids go ahead well I don't know what that would what the fantasy is my guess is that the
detectives do huh being misused alt they don't sell things that involve children I mean so we know
that but I also have to wonder is his fantasy something that that the detectives did not find to be relevant
to the case yeah I mean because wouldn't you'd have some homosexual tendencies er
or fantasies and and and then they'd go well that doesn't line up but again where's the evidence of whatever he's
stating and like you said yes they don't sell child pornography yet at adult bookstores but if you're if you're
making claims to throw them off the scent in any way how's this backed up and then we have this situation again
where if JonBenet Ramsey eat pineapple with the intrude that the intruder would be somebody that
she would have known and also felt comfortable with and I also think what a great way to show up in your Santa
outfit and therefore even if John or Patsy woke up yeah you're a little odd and yeah take some discussing and they
might never invite you back to their house but you could go well I told her I was gonna visit her so I just I I got a
key and I was just gonna let myself in and leave her a gift and even though they claim that these bears were bought
for this pageant I can't confirm that other than just some simple line on some internet thread and to me it's very odd
that there's this bear that neither one of the parents know about and now it's missing and we have a police department
that I think was so focused on putting this on the parents that they didn't do a good enough job working on these other
suspects I also think with the handwriting samples we don't have any fingerprints or DNA that I know of on
the letters so we can assume that this individual is writing these letters with some kind of glove on well how much does
that glove alter their handwriting and so unless you're giving people a handwriting samples where you're making
them wear a certain type of glove I don't think you're going to get the correct answers there and then they say
and this is the most asinine thing I heard from law enforcement and probably in the whole case well we also ruled out
Santa Bill because he had a heart condition so he physically couldn't do this okay well and I was telling you
about this local detective I sat down and talked with him about the Ramsey case and I was saying yeah this Santa
bill there's a lot of things that line up to make him look like the best respect and even the DEA at some point
said hey is the best suspect or believe that she thought he was the best suspect
for a while and this detective went on to tell me that they had a case where everything was pointing to this
gentleman but he was in very bad health condition and he was actually walking with two canes so the more and more
they're going we think it's this guy but he physically couldn't do it so they brought him in had him take a lie
detector he fails and then he emits to the whole crime gives a full confession and then they have to figure you know
well how were you able to do this it was a sexually motivated crime and the adrenaline gave this guy the strength to
do it the one was more than where this desire was more than the the pain you know the or the physical limitations and
see I would also argue to that you go you write this note this this ransom note I also think that it the ransom
note proves that somebody had some idea about writing they put too many commas in there for some simple criminal so you
have this girl down in the basement and like I said to you I don't know see what
the grah that is going to determine how hard you can strangle the person not your physical limitations the cry helps
you choke now the gras based on most autopsies or the way people look at the autopsy the choking wasn't to kill her
the choking was for sexual gratification it was a sexual act so that's where I wonder did did say in a bill put
JonBenet Ramsey into that suitcase and then try to get that suitcase out the window or try to move
her at some point and drops her creating the fracture on the skull and then at some point your zone
I can't physically carry her out of here so now I just have to leave so I think the physical limitations can come into
play because you don't have to carry her down to the basement because you're saying a bill and she
feels comfortable and she showed you the basement before you can just say hey can
you show me the basement again and now you're at the crime scene we're guarding I gotta go go through
your stuff here real quick before we move on if I find you in my house in the middle of the night there's no
explanation you're getting a free ride to the county jail and you're gonna get to stay the night there for free as well
but I get well no no you're not you're gonna leave my house in the ambulance if you're if you're at the kitchen table
with my daughter at midnight one o'clock dressed as Santa Claus you're gonna be going to the hospital the other thing
that I I wanna kind of echo here captain is I don't know how well you can trust these handwriting samples to eliminate
someone I'm with you I think it's a very strange that they use that word well we
analyzed so-and-so's handwriting and determined that they did not write the letter and we know that they made Patsy
Ramsey write the note over four times one of John Ramsey's worker partners merriman they had him write it over
seven times so they just take one sample from Bill or or what what you want to do
in those situations as an investigator is you want to collect a handwriting sample that you believe to be something
that this person wrote before you're there asking to write something for you right so and
we know that did happen in the case of John and Patsy Ramsey we know that it did happen in some of the other suspects
or people that were looked at as well but where I'm going with this whole how can we eliminate somebody with a
handwriting sample to just kind of echo your point one there is very strong reason to believe that the author was
wearing gloves at the time that they wrote this letter there's also reason to believe and this
is based off of the experts opinion this is not dumb Nick krispy colonel the notorious n I see
here in the garage or coming up with with a stupid opinion mm-hmm but the experts have stated that they have
reason to believe that it's possibly authored by a right-handed individual that was choosing to write the letter
left-handed they believe this so much that they conducted a study to determine how long it would take a right-handed
person to write this letter left-handed the average time that they came out with
was 35 minutes that's copying the note from a note that you would have brought with you
or in this case for the the purpose of these tests that they were conducting they're looking at the ransom letter and
copying it then with their left hand I want to get too much into the note because as we've already shown you can
get wrapped up in a two-hour conversation about the note it's let's talk about it again I just want to point
out that I think that it's very difficult and I think it's actually irresponsible to say that you're going
to eliminate people based off of handwriting sample and to your point as well captain especially if you have
somebody that you've only collected one sample from them yeah the other thing I want to point out is that I was reading
a lot of speculation and came from multiple internet sources that after the murder
Santa Bill would talk about that he also had a remember how John Binet was his special friend that he didn't have too
many special but he had a special friend earlier and I've I have looked everywhere for this I
have found names but I can't find any proof of this at all other than he was saying that he had another special
friend that was actually murdered I think five years before and was a seven year old boy
again I found two different names for that seven-year-old boy but I cannot find any proof that this boy existed or
was murdered or anything I shied away from that on purpose because some of the information I found suggested that the
child was was sick was terminally ill yeah and passed away from some type of illness which is fine but when you go
round telling a bunch of people that you had another special friend that was murdered that's a little strange
if they weren't murdered well if in fact he said that if the child died of an illness he's not going to be telling
people that again I I do want to point out we don't have any real strong evidence here saying a bill truly does
weird me out the more I look at him the more he weirds me out and I don't just mean I'm not talking about appearance
I'm talking about actions and and things surrounding him and his name as it relates to this case I would love to sit
down for a couple beers or even a couple cup of coffee with the DA that once said
this was my bazooms oddity this was my prime suspect I want to know why this particular DA believed that they could
not eliminate him after so many others say that you could I do I do very much foolish [ __ ] but look when when we know
for a fact that they're releasing information to the media stating that it had to be inside job because there's no
footprints I've seen all these idiots online say well you know there was no footprints and it's as simple as
did you see all the photos of that day and when you find out that not only is there a roadway that goes up to a
driveway that goes to the house that you know has all these sidewalks that have no snow on it why don't you just not
walk through the grass it's it baffles me that they would put out this information knowing that it's false well
there was no footprints in the snow so therefore it had to be inside job but you're not telling the full story it's
not fully covered in snow so it just drives me nuts and then so all these other and look it I'm not saying that
the Ramseys are innocent what I'm saying is that you have to investigate everybody equally and it doesn't seem
like that happen here who are you saying is full of [ __ ] law enforcement and the
police but I was talking about the district attorney I want to know why this district attorney says in publicly
states that at one time this guy was my prime suspect I would love to know what they're basing that off of in comparison
to what law enforcement was basing off that we can eliminate this guy I do even as weird as as as I feel about Santa
bill I do question the likelihood of his involvement and I will I will echo some
of their opinions stating that I I don't believe that he was in the best physical
condition having heart surgery just five months before the murder right I also one thing that that I wonder about too
when we talk about having physical evidence in this case mind you yes the crime scene is contaminated I'm I will
believe nothing other than that statement right there 100% I think everybody involved even the idiots that
are involved say hey but it's a contaminated we're talking about an individual that has a long white beard
that's not we did we didn't have a hundred people walk in that home that night or that next morning that had a
long white beard-chan anybody with a beard to me it's not the hair so much of the beard
meaning look if if you're not carrying her then chances are the hair wouldn't get on her but if there if we believe
that there was a sexual assault that we would believe that that they would find something I think it would be more
likely that they would find some kind of dry skin because the beard will really dry out your skin and so that would find
some kind of dry skin that would link him not so much a hair and then with the hair even if you found a hair you have
the argument that two days beforehand or on the 23rd that this person is in the house this individuals in the house and
that would give you reason to believe that you'd find their DNA or fingerprints anywhere correct but for me
if it was an intruder that killed JonBenet the only way that works is that there was a sexual assault this means
there was a violent and physical struggle that took place at some place some point in that home very likely in
that wine cellar and that's where I would suspect to find more physical evidence of our offender in regards to
Jesse McReynolds we mentioned his kidnapping conviction that that's what kind of put him in front of the police's
eyes and it certainly sounds interesting but I think that we should point out that did that charge that conviction of
kidnapping it sounds much more ominous than it truly was the facts of that case from my understanding captain he held up
a gas station robbed the place of just a little more than a 100 dollars and he used a gun during the commission of that
robbery and he moved the clerk basically from one side of the the building or store to the other side and at the time
in Arizona their law they're saving if you move a person from point A to point B using a
weapon you've technically kidnapped that that individual so where where I go to if
this was an intruder one of the motives may have been actual kidnapping right so
it makes this guy sound interesting however that is not what his his previous charge and conviction was was
for it's a very very different type of crime so while we're on the subject I think that is a good segue to our next
possible suspect or someone who was considered a suspect at some point Gary Merriman and Gary Merriman was access
graphics director of human resources he publicly has stated that he felt that he
was a suspect he previously worked 14 years in criminal justice as a psychologist
including years at the Florida Department of Corrections he's kind of a natural fit I think for at least some
questioning by police of course detectives are going to look into individuals working for or working with
access graphics he is also the man that answered the phone the morning of what was believed at the time to be a
kidnapping when John Ramsey called his work and forming them as to what was going on or what he believed was going
on right I think it's fair for Merriman to say that he considered himself a suspect not because he considers himself
to be guilty of anything or look suspicious he's sedating that the the actions of the detectives indicated to
him that he must be considered a suspect well I think they had him give over seven handwriting samples he was
questioned multiple times he gave as you stated at least seven handwriting samples he also provided police with his
fingerprints he gave blood and he gave hair as well I can't find any documentation to state that the any of
this evidence would be a match to evidence collected at the scene there have been many reports that state
that regarding the handwriting analysis that Merryman could not be ruled out as a possible author of the ransom letter
yeah I've actually seen that he was on the higher spectrum as far as a match goes higher than even Patsy Ramsey was
and I know we just said that or I just said that I think it's irresponsible to say we've eliminated somebody based off
of handwriting analysis but we should point out that out of all the handwriting samples that they took most
of these people were quote-unquote ruled out or eliminated right and then we have
very few that that stayed on the the list of people we cannot rule out now Merriman just like several other people
in this case who were questioned multiple times or the request for multiple handwriting samples asked by
police he's one of several that stood up in his own defense to the police and said something to the effect of you
know I'm here assisting you and cooperating in your investigation where are the Ramseys what are they doing at
this time you've talked to me multiple times you've asked me for this this and this and I've provided this this and
this to you what is going on with the case that that they are not being looked at some of these individuals I believe
that they truly just felt that they were beating being treated unfairly in the eyes of the detectives in the police
now Gary Merriman is not an individual that John Ramsey told the police that they should look into but Jeff Merrick
is somebody and is also somebody that Gary Merriman said the police should look into yeah and the basic story of
Jeff Merrick is he's an x-axis graphics employee he met John Ramsey in 1971 he knew him for a very long time he met him
when they both worked at AT&T in Columbus Ohio now he was one of the individuals that helped Ramsey start
access or whatever the micro South or whatever I was called at the time he quit in 1996 this is when according to Marik
when the the company was in trouble and the RAM and Ramsey needed to cut some salaries so he says access graphics owed
him one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars yeah well that's an interesting amount
apparently they settled and he did receive half of that money he did file ethics violations with corporate
headquarters at Lockheed Martin which owned access graphics according to the book death of innocence on page 66 this
is John Ramsey's words Jeff Merrick who had threatened to bring me and access graphics down when he left the company
in 1996 so as you were pointing out captain this is an individual that John Ramsey names by name on day one when
asked by police and detectives do you have any enemies well yeah cuz he was making threats -
yeah so he names Jeff Jeff Merrick as an enemy we have John sorry Gary Merriman for the last four weeks I've
been wanting to call that guy John Merriman his name is Gary Nick it's Gary anyway Gary Merriman says that Jeff
Merrick would be an enemy as well and then we have nedra nedra is Patsy's mother okay when she is asked for a list
of suspects she included Jeff Merrick and his vicious wife which is Kathy Merrick one little-known fact
inside the story that that I think gets lost and I don't know how important it is but it's interesting for the makeup
of the company and the makeup of John's success and Patsy and her family and relationship to John's success her
father was very much involved in all of John Ramsay's businesses okay he helped Ramsey as as did Patsy helped
John set up his businesses initially when his company was in trouble financially it was
Patsy's father that bailed him out with a loan and to further that at one point we have his father-in-law John Ramsey's
father-in-law Patsy Ramsey's father working for John Ramsey so this statement by nedra from Patsy's mother
is not just simply somebody who's on the outside looking in who just overheard this from John and
Patsy right this is somebody that has insider knowledge of things going on and access graphics
according to Kathy Marek and Jeff Merrick their alibi for the night in question is they visited Kathy's
brother-in-law in Aurora Colorado and then visited dick and Diane foot and they were home around 8:00 p.m. watched
TV and then went to bed so not a great alibi and the stuff that I see in front of me here captain states that they did
not cooperate in the sense of giving fingerprints blood hair handwriting samples
I couldn't find a confirmation that those things were provided from Jeff Merrick to the authorities I will say
this he was questioned multiple times and he did answer their questions and he - just like Gary Merriman was one that
said I'm here answering your questions where is John Ramsey he's accused me of this of being a suspect and I'm reading
in the papers that you guys are unable to speak to the Ramsey family were they able to test his DNA - do you know the
information that I have states that none of that was provided to police but they
pretty much kind of ruled him out I again I don't have any information stating that they ruled him out I the
information I have states he was questioned multiple times - which he ultimately ended up getting
confrontational with them in the end because he's reading in the paper and seeing on TV that the Ramseys are
untouchable and they won't answer the police's questions but here you are disrupting my personal life right by
asking me the same questions on several occasions both kid to a guy Chris wolf yeah his real name is Robert
Christian wolf he's extremely interesting to me for a number of reasons one he's not somebody that was
on the inner circle of the Ramseys or on the inner circle of access graphics this
is like a unknown intruder he comes to our attention from his girlfriend his girlfriend Jackie dilson she comes
forward to police in states because remember there is a time that's going on here where the police and the Ramseys
are asking the public for their help so she comes forward to boulder police and states that chris wolf was out all night
long regarding the night in question and when he came home he was covered in mud
and he was acting extremely strange this is all her opinion obviously the weird connection he may have is this kind of
furthers this suspicion along here is this same girlfriend adds that he should be considered a suspect in the death in
the murder of Suzanne chase who was killed December 21st 1997 wolf apparently dated Suzanne chase
at some point his knowledge regarding the Ramseys or the case itself he was a journalist who worked as a reporter for
Colorado daily and for the Boulder County Business reports and apparently he interviewed Cheryl McGraw who is a
secretary at access graphics he comes onto our radar again by a tip from his girlfriend at the time it states here
now this is his own claims so I cannot back this up but wolf was a guest on The O'Reilly Factor and this was from May of
2000 2000 where he states in his interview that he did provide fingerprints and hair and handwriting samples again
that's his claims the weird thing about Chris wolf though is his alibi is completely the opposite statement from
his girlfriends Chris wolf says I was in bed early approximately 9:30 or 10:00 p.m. I did not wake up or get up or go
out until the next morning right according to the book perfect murder perfect town it does state that Chris
wolf did provide his DNA and it was not a match for what they were looking for the next one we're going to have to call
the unknown suspect and this is in reference to a crime that occurred just nine months after Jon Benet was murdered
this takes place in an affluent part of Boulder not terribly far from the Ramseys home a mother and her 12 year
old daughter came home from the movies they are alone in their home it's late the mom sets the burglar alarm and goes
to bed an intruder crept into the girls bedroom he put his hand over the girl's mouth
said the girl's name and told her he knew her he starts a sexual assault and it's believed he was working toward a
possible abduction of this girl as well but the mother she wakes up she hears noises and goes to her daughter's room
she sees the man he runs and he goes out of a bedroom window jumps off the roof to the ground below and flees the area
the man was dressed in all black from head to toe and wearing a mask this 12 year old girl attended the same dance
studio as Jon Benet the dance West's studio this person has never been identified and we have the father of the
victim who says he believes that the intruder may have already been hiding inside the home when the mother and
daughter returned to the house just waiting there to attack this girl right we've seen that and a lot of different
cases seems like to me like this is a great lead and something that long for shoulda followed up on more because we
have that connection of the dance studio and having especially a predator that is
able to go to a place that he's knows that kids are gonna be at he can walk in there freely basically stalk these
individuals and then attack them at their home the dance studio very well could have nothing to do with that
attack but he's a weird connection to getting us back to JonBenet's case their home not being terribly far from the
Ramseys the rain the second crime taking place just nine months later those are all very weird things that that really
put a chance that this offender is somehow in the the circle of the Ramseys or the neighborhood or that dance studio
it's really truly interesting and the other thing too I want to point out for me anyway if the intruder theory in the
Ramsey case is in fact correct then I believe that we need to have a certain level of criminal sophistication where
here we have that in this particular crime we see somebody that is good at getting into the home they got close to
the assault that they were seeking potential abduction of this girl and they were able to flee the area without
being identified okay so there is some sophistication there but way back in 2004 Erin Moriarty reported the
following the boulder District Attorney investigators haven't completely ruled out anyone and have a list of people
that like to talk to reportedly more than 100 names it's a list that still includes Gary Olivia and anyone who can
shed more light on the mysterious death of Michael Hale goth and that includes their friends and associates that
investigators strongly consider people of interest there is now what is believed to be a complete DNA profile of
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Brief Summary

The episode examines JonBenet Ramsey's murder, discussing various suspects and the intruder theory with insights from experts and detailed suspect backgrounds.

Key points

JT Koufax's Strange Actions. JT Koufax attempted to set fire to the Ramseys' home, claiming it was a protest against authorities.
Michael Helguth's Disturbing Behavior. Potential suspect Michael Helguth exhibited cruel behavior and had a troubling connection to the case.
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Santa Bill Theory. Exploring the theory that a man dressed as Santa may have been involved in JonBenet's death.
Strange Coincidences. The kidnapping of McReynolds' daughter on the same date as JonBenet's murder raises eyebrows.
The Missing Bear Mystery. A bear linked to the case is unknown to both parents, raising suspicions.

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He looks like a creepy but also scary-looking man.

Describing Gary Olivia's appearance and demeanor.

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Tension

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