JonBenet Ramsey ////// Little Miss Christmas | Forensic Files

introducing the Jeffrey Epstein I knew a new podcast from CNN hosted by Vicki Ward the 7 episode series takes you
behind the scenes to hear one of a kind account of Epstein an individual who's more myth than man Vicki Ward has been
reporting on Jeffrey Epstein for almost two decades and takes listeners beyond the headlines to explore who Jeffrey
Epstein really was where he got his money and the circumstances surrounding his death subscribe to the Jeffrey
Epstein I new wherever you get your podcast from skydance interactive comes the new podcast series which serves as a
prologue to the studio's upcoming VR title The Walking Dead saints and sinners supernatural skeptics guy to New
Orleans it follows Sarah Bennet the host of a local radio series investigating New
Orleans most popular paranormal tales as she uncovers the surge of walkers taking
over the city and becomes trapped in one of New Orleans most notorious landmarks
the LaRoche house supernatural skeptics guide to New Orleans available on Apple podcast Spotify stitcher I Heart Radio
tune in plus Alexa or at VR Walking Dead calm JonBenet Ramsey strangled with a pole
that'll make Colorado six-year-old murder victims on Benet Ramsey unknown intruder
her brother [Applause] JonBenet Ramsey [Music] find out there would be very few little
girls as famous as blonde six-year-old JonBenet Patricia Ramsey she was born in Atlanta Georgia on August 6th 1992
parents John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia and Ramsey her name as unique as it was
was a combination of her father's first and middle names her father John was a wealthy businessman and her mother Patsy
was a former beauty queen John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined man he graduated from Michigan State
University in 1966 with an electrical engineering degree five years later a master's in business administration from
MSU John was married before he and his first wife had three children Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but
the two divorced in 1978 on November 5th 1980 he married what many considered to
be the woman of his dreams 23 year-old Patricia and paw yeah better known as Patsy Patsy attended West Virginia
University and graduated with a BA in journalism in 1978 just a year before she won the Miss West Virginia beauty
title in 1977 On January 27 1987 Patsy gave birth to the couple's first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years
later they welcomed their second child Jon Benet in 1991 the family moved to Boulder Colorado for John's business
access graphics a little background here John was extremely hardworking and driven he was an entrepreneur he started
a computer company in the 80s eventually his company and two other companies merged in 1988 this formed
access graphics the company was then sold to Lockheed Martin in 1991 John became the chief executive officer and
president of access graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop in beautiful Boulder Colorado the Ramseys
purchased a 7,000 square foot home the address 75515 Street Boulder Colorado the home was purchased for $500,000 some
reports state the home is 11,000 square feet but I believe that would include maybe the basement balconies in other
areas we all know how the real estate listing game works they also did a very extensive renovation on the property as
well speaking of which I will do my best impression here it's a beautiful red brick Tudor style home built in 1927
there are four floors including the basement the basement is made up of a series of small rooms the home features
two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms Burke and JonBenet's rooms are located on the
second storey JonBenet's room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony the master suite is above the
children's rooms located on the third storey the ramsey's patsy in particular loved this house the Ramseys were riding
pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of peaks and valleys sadly on January 8th 1992 John Ramsey's
oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsey was killed in an automobile accident in Chicago Illinois
she was just 22 years old on December 23rd 1992 the Ramseys purchased a 1731 square foot vacation home in Charlevoix
Michigan for 336 thousand dollars for those unfamiliar this is an absolutely beautiful area northern Michigan right
along Lake Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of 93 Patsy Ramsey is diagnosed with breast
cancer for this she will receive exams at the Charla Void Community Hospital and treatments in Maryland now we're
going to go through a pretty thorough timeline for the Ramsey family some of these events may seem trivial however
given the crime that we know is going to occur these items were included in this
timeline because of the possibilities and the suspicions surrounding this case in 1994 seven-year-old Burke hits his
little sister JonBenet on the cheek with a golf club well let's be clear this is
not a situation where Burke decided I don't like you and I'm gonna smash you in the face with a golf club this was
purely an accident this wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat because he was trying to
kill me I questioned this at first glance because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and
they can be quite vicious at times plus when they're very young as they would be
in this situation it's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister or your brother
with it because they did something mean to you first and Burke only being seven years old he want to be thinking if I
hit her in the face with a golf club I could possibly kill her right this could have lasting consequences however
everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident and believe it or not in my own life I
have experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the face with a golf club in
the face on the backswing because the person was standing too close as the other person was taking a swing we don't
have the details of this specific accident however again everything indicates that it was just that an
accident right but it was pretty vicious because JonBenet would be left with a scar a short time later JonBenet
underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from the golf club
incident in December of 1994 the Ramseys giant beautiful home is one of just seven
homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tour this is important for a few reasons
mainly this means that approximately 1,500 people will participate in a tour of the Ramseys property and the house in
April of 1995 four-year-old Jon Benet Ramsey wins the Colorado State all-star kids pageant now she will participate
and win several pageants I'm not going to go through all of them captain frankly when researched well you get a
bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm or at least have double-checked
October of 1995 was a happy and exciting month for the Ramsey family Jon Benet was crowned Little Miss Colorado
sunburst and John Ramsey was the winner of the Entrepreneur of Distinction Award
yeah but to be clear I don't think like her whole family was revolved around her
winning something I think it was nice when she won and they devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made
the family's year if she got some award regarding John Ramsey's business keep in
mind access graphics is doing very well and the company is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly
then it was Patsy's turn to receive some recognition this came when the April 1996 issue of women's magazine profiled
Patsy Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of personal
information about John and the kids then in July of 1996 Jon Benet won America's
Royale tiny miss the following month she finishes second and the Sunburst national pageant this pageant was held
in Atlanta Georgia on Saturday November 30th John Ramsey hosts a surprise 40th birthday party for his wife of 16 years
and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December 29th mm-hmm
this was a big 40th birthday celebration for Patsy held at the Palace Hotel in Denver there's a lot of speculation
though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset
about turning 40 then on December 6th during the lights of December parade JonBenet appeared on her own Little Miss
Colorado float this is an annual parade where spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local businesses
churches and civic groups the parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an
appearance by Santa Claus this takes place in downtown Boulder in 1996 Burk was in this parade as well on Friday
December 13th there is a big holiday party at the Ramseys home this is attended by more than 150 of their
friends from church so again just pointing out another event at their house with a lot of guests so what we
are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up to many guests
over just the few years that they have owned the home right four days later on the 17th the six-year-old was crowned
Colorado's Little Miss Christmas this is one of the larger pageants that she has
participated in and certainly an achieving moment and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing that
Jon Benet would be named the 1996 Little Miss Christmas now we don't have a date
but I want to make sure that we include this here there is a report that this took place sometime in December of 96
and this comes from a statement to law enforcement at some time in December Jon Benet tells a gardener this is Brian
Scott about her father John Ramsey she says I really miss him I she was around more yeah he's working
pretty hard probably traveling a lot and it's later reported that his net worth at this time would be roughly six point
four million dollars December 20th was a busy day for the Ramseys on two fronts one axis graphics had a luncheon party
and a celebration for more than 300 employees at the hotel bull Dorado and two Jon Benet participates in a school
performance at high peaks Elementary School Patsy attends the performance the access graphics luncheon and the
performance at the school are going on at the same time so Patsy is not present for the business celebration because she
is at the school now it's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to JonBenet's death for
any number of reasons truth be told none of us really know for sure here's an excerpt from the book
death of innocence authored by John and Patsy Ramsey in the book John says early
in December 1996 Tom Carson came to my office John I want you to look at these figures I looked up at him standing at
the door with a handful of papers as best as I can tell we're going to hit the billion dollar sales mark in a
couple of days it's a big milestone a billion dollars my mouth dropped I know we were close but I didn't think we were
there yet it's on top of us he smiled probably in a couple of days I think we should do something to celebrate
I agreed if for no other reason than to congratulate our employees a billion dollars in sales and 600 employees
worldwide was a big milestone for access graphics one of our public relations people thought we should also contact
the newspaper to announce our success I had a gut reaction that the press release wasn't a good idea I didn't want
that kind of visibility outside of the business still I agreed since our employees deserve the recognition now I
wonder if this publicity might have attracted the attention of the killer or further irritated the person
if he or she had a grudge against big business access graphics or me know John's memory of this party in the book
states that the luncheon was held on December 16th according to The Daily Camera Business Magazine this
celebration was held on December 20th John did a phone interview regarding the company success and on December 21st the
daily camera business magazine publishes the article on axis graphics reaching 1
billion dollars in sales alright so why are we going with December 20th and not December 16th that's a good question
we have a couple of reasons for that one we know that the luncheon and the school
performance occurred on the same day we have statements saying that the performance the school performance was
on the 20th and we also have the fact that the daily camera business magazine article comes out that same year I mean
just the day after the party John's book does not come out until years later and
he's going off of memory on December 22nd JonBenet Ramsey is gonna be in a beauty pageant and the Southwest Plaza
Mall this is the one that she sings rockin around the Christmas tree and she has a toy saxophone sometime in late
December the Ramsey family sent out their annual Christmas card with the Ramsey family updates for their loved
ones the 1996 Christmas newsletter reads as follows dear friends and family it's
been another busy year at the Ramsey household I can't believe it's almost over and time to start again Malinda 24
graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working in pediatric ICU at Kenney stone hospital in Atlanta John
Andrew xx is a sophomore at the University of Colorado Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in
math and spelling he played flag football this fall and is currently on a basketball bench his
little league team was number one he's lost just about all of his baby teeth so I'm sure we'll be seeing the
orthodontist in 1997 JonBenet is enjoying her first year in real school kindergarten in the core knowledge
program is fast paced and five full days a week she has already been moved ahead
to first grade math she continues to enjoy participating in talent and modeling pageants
she was named America's Royale tiny miss last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss Christmas her teacher says she is
so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book report John is always on the go traveling
hither and yon access recently celebrated its 1 billion dollar mark in sales so he's pretty happy he and his
crew were under way in the port huron to mechanic Island Yacht Race in July if I had to
pull out Midway due to lack of wind can you believe that but his real love is the new old looking boat Grande season
which he spent months designing I spend most of my free time working in the school and doing volunteer work the
Charlevoix house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of the Better Homes and Gardens
publications in 1997 on a recent trip to NYC my friend and I appeared among the throng of fans on The Today Show Al
Roker and Bryant actually talked to us and we were on camera for a few fleeting moments we are all enjoying continued
good health and look forward to seeing you in 1997 one final note thank you to all of my friends and my dear husband
for surprising me with the biggest most outrageous 40th birthday bash I have ever had
we'll be spending my actual birthday on the Disney big red boat over the New Year Merry Christmas and much love the
Ramseys I I kind of find this whole ritual that people do with the updating of the families it's kind of douchey
well I feel like this is a very upper-class typical holiday thing update everybody with a newsletter I've never
and probably will never experience having to put one of these letters together yeah being just a regular
blue-collar guy myself what it jumps out to me is that episode of Everybody Loves
Raymond where they write a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves that's not true but here everything that
Patsy and I'm assuming Patsy puts this together as it sounds you know she says I spend most of my free time it really
points to her upbringing and how polished and posh she really is yeah and I everything that she has put here is
true and it's just it's just interesting to see how the other half lives well it
just seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddle down vanity River I've never lived far from
family and friends so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of on December 23rd this is just two days
before Christmas the Ramseys hosted a Christmas party with approximately 30 guests attending and with former
journalism professor Bill McReynolds playing Santa Claus McReynolds was a ramsey family friend probably one of the
more alarming details in this timeline during the Ramseys Christmas party mm-hmm at 6:47 p.m. someone attending
the party placed a 911 answered by police dispatcher therese hillary the caller hung up without saying anything
police called back but when they did no one answered and the call was picked up by the Ramseys answering machine
because of this an officer goes to the home as 654 p.m. the officer knocks on the door and is invited in and then
leaves at 7:09 p.m. this after being assured that there was no emergency this has made people speculate was the
perpetrator of this crime at this party and calling 9-1-1 to see how fast somebody would respond to 911 this is
one of those items that you you look at it and you just go what is going on here
because as you just pointed out it could mean something very big to this case into the investigation right if in fact
what you said and what people have speculated toward is true that means the killer is at this party but or somebody
that worked with the killer is at this party right but you also have a lot of kids running around is it possible that
one of them just picked up the phone and dialed 9-1-1 and then never confessed to
it because they don't want to get in trouble there is a guest list that you can find online I have reviewed it
myself don't care to go into it here as it sounds quite boring to just read off a list of names the other thing I
question though to captain is what kind of staff was working this party would we
have had people helping out whether it be caterers or somebody answering the door valeting cars you know so it could
extend beyond the guest list for whoever called 911 with you I think that there's
a very likely possibility that with all these kids running around one of the older kids wants to do something funny
in front of the younger kids and calls 911 you know and get scared and hangs up well there's two other things some
people have 911 on a speed dial so you have people working a party did somebody pick up the phone to call this is 1996
they don't have cell phones most people don't have cell phones so did somebody working the party go to make a call
hit the wrong button and it speed dialed 911 that's something I couldn't find information from
the Internet the other thing too one of my speculations and we'll have to get into this later is it possible that
little JonBenet Ramsey herself called 9-1-1 because something happened at that party
[Music] there is something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from
achieving your goals better help online counseling can help better help offers licensed professional counselors who
specialize in issues such as depression anxiety relationships trauma anger family conflicts LGBT matters grief
self-esteem and more connect with your professional counselor a safe and private online environment and get help
at your own time and at your own pace anything that you share is completely confidential
and it's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions as well as chat and text with your therapist if
for some reason you're not happy with your counselor though you can request a new one at anytime for no additional
charge best of all it's a truly affordable option our listeners even get 10% off your first month with discount
code garage so why not get started today go to better help calm slash garage then
simply fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with the counselor you'll love that's
better help calm slash garage no need to interrupt your work day or fight traffic
to get to the post office anything that you can do at the post office you can do
at stamps.com whether you're a small office sending invoices or even a warehouse sending thousands of packages
a day you'll love stamps com simply use your computer to print official US postage 24/7 for any letter any package
any class of mail anywhere you want to send it once your mail is ready just hand it to your mail carrier or drop it
in the mailbox with stamps calm you also get five cents off of every first class
stamp and up to 40% off Priority Mail not to mention it's a fraction of a cost of those expensive postage meters don't
spend a minute of your holiday season at post office this year sign up for stamps
comm with my promo code garage and get a special offer that includes a four week
trial plus free postage and a digital scale no long term commitments or contracts just go to Sam's comm click on
the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in garage that's stamps.com enter garage state
without Commons a must for any small business owner stamps com never go to the post office again
would you buy a t-shirt for $50 if he knew it only costs 7 to make we want it ever Lane only makes premium essentials
using the finest materials without traditional markups they want you to know what you're paying for and why so
they're radically transparent with their real costs and every step in their process from the materials they use to
the ethical factories they work with not to mention essentials like their cotton crew t-shirt or exactly what they
should be versatile simple stylish and made from quality materials ever lanes closed look better cost less and last
longer everybody's checking out every Lane and they're learning whatever Lane products have to offer they are simply
fantastic they have 100% grade-a cashmere quality cotton basics sustainable silks premium Japanese denim
made from the world's cleanest denim factory I myself I'm an athletic fit jeans guy I got my denims from ever Lane
I also have the twill weekender bag which is by far my favorite bag that I've ever owned and right now you can
check out our personalized collection at everland comm slash garage plus you'll get free shipping on your first order
that's ever Lane comm slash garage ever Lane comm slash garage [Music] all right we're back cheers mates Cheers
captain and today we are drinking Citra Noel hoppy holiday ale by Columbus Brewing Company this is an American
strong ale strong enough for even the best holiday parties ABV 7.3% garage grade four and a quarter bottle caps out
of five thank you to everyone who has donated to the beer fund in 2019 happy holidays and just to be clear about this
party were not for sure it's been reported multiple ways that the person playing Santa Claus got a tour of the
house from Jon Benet Ramsey some people speculate that happened in 1996 some people say that happened in 1995 so bill
McReynolds was considered a family friend of the Ramseys and someone that he wasn't just somebody that was hired
to play Santa Claus they they knew this man on some level right he had played Santa Claus at their holiday party
before and as you said it's a bit confusing on the stories that you hear even over 20 years later where some
people will say Jon Benet gave Bill McReynolds a tour of the home at some point during the party on in 1996 some
people say that it may have happened in 1995 we also have a situation where it is said that Jon Benet gave Bill
McReynolds a gift and he would say years later that out of all the times that he
played Santa Claus out of all the parties that he attended as Santa Claus that Jon Benet was the only child to
give him a gift again and he's receiving this gift a couple days before her death
so that's something that obviously would stick out to you other and the only other gift that he probably ever got was
like maybe a stinky lap from some dirty kid on Christmas Eve December 24th an article appeared in The Daily Camera
according the Ramsay's Christmas party apparently this daily camera is just watching and reporting everything going
on in the Ramseys world during the day on December 24th JonBenet played at a friend's home this is Meghan Kosta
Nick's house and told Megan's mother Barbara about a secret visit from Santa now this wasn't just her running up and
saying hey Santa's gonna visit me there was a discussion had between Megan's mother Barbara and little JonBenet right
Barbara questioned JonBenet as to when Santa was going to pay her this secret visit because we are on Christmas Eve
you can imagine the natural conversation that would be had when an adult and a small child the adult is going to say
something to the effect of yes you've been good all year and when you go to bed tonight Santa's going to visit you
and when you wake up you're going to find all your presents under the tree through this conversation what Barbara
would learn is that Jon Benet explains to her no I'm not talking about you know she wasn't talking about the traditional
visit from Santa Claus as we all know it right that's already gonna happen she says no this is going to be a secret
visit after Christmas mm-hmm and of course at the time this doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for
Barbara or strange right it would only be until a few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm bells
one that's what's so difficult about this case is there's so many little points of you can't even calm evidence
just points of speculation that could mean everything or it could mean nothing at all the other thing to hear captain
is I'm sure there's a lot of people out there right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind
is immediately jumping to Santa Claus bill McReynolds who we just discussed playing Santa Claus at the Ramseys home
on the 23rd I think that natural fit we should keep in mind here though how many Christmas events has
this little girl attended just in the recent weeks right how many santa clauses did she come into
interaction with we talked about the parade that she attended that she sat on the float
the main attraction was Santa Claus she could have spoke to a Santa Claus there or just somebody dressed as Santa
Claus right or Santa Claus at the mall or yeah the mall pageant that she attended there was the school event this
is the second of the Ramseys Christmas parties and who knows how many parties they attended as a family right but
let's just say that she's spent a little more time than some of the kids with the
family friend playing Santa and he just casually says she she might have said something to him like well yeah I know
you're gonna visit me on Christmas what but what about after that he's like oh wow else I'll pay you a special visit
after Christmas not didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six-year-old just like the 911 came from
the Ramseys home on the 23rd this mention of a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas could mean a lot
it could mean nothing at all in regards to the investigation on December 24th later that day the Ramseys attended the
Twilight service at st. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder Colorado around 9:00 p.m. John Ramsey retrieves a brand-new
silver girls bicycle stored at a neighbor's home this is Jo barn Hills garage and he places it under the
Christmas tree for Jon Benet and then both John and Patsy Ramsey get stashed Christmas gifts out from their basement
it's listed here as the basement area and place these under the tree as well this is interesting for a few reasons
one it shows that at 9 p.m. on the 24th both I rant both Ramsey adults both parents went down into the basement to
retrieve these hidden Christmas gifts for the kids right there basement as we mentioned earlier is made
up of a series of rooms there are several small rooms in this basement it's my understanding that the large
room was more of a play area now given the size of this home I don't know that a designated play area means
that it was frequented by the children often or if it was just a once in a while
type thing well their house is very interesting to me because it's so large but it's so blocked off in little
sections it's almost like a maze and also when you see pictures or video footage when they had the little tours
for the houses the Christmas tours their house looks immaculate it looks amazing
but but when you see crime scene photos of the house it looks every room looks like it's in a disarray it looks like to
me I would say every room needs to be cleaned every room needs to be organized based off those pictures so it's a it's
a very interesting house a couple of quick thoughts here before we move on Campton often you know this was a home
built in 1927 and often when homes are added to over the years they end up looking like that where it's a it's a
lot of smaller rooms rather than a few giant rooms yeah and I also wondered and I couldn't find I know that there's
blueprints of this house online and I found like the top floors but I couldn't tell the basement and like you said this
house has been added on to but a lot of times the basements aren't added on to so it's let's say it's a 7,000 square
foot home well that basement only might be 1500 square feet the reason why I pointed out
that the basement was a series of rooms as well as question how often the basement was in actual use by either the
parents and/or the kids is that my assumption here is that the parents are hiding the gifts from their kids
they could be possibly hiding gifts from one another as well right but just wanted to point out that on Christmas
Eve both parents state that they went into the basement of that home now I question how often the children would be
in the basement because we're gonna have a lot of questions going forward about a
very small room that's well tucked away in this basement if the kids don't go down there very often there's no need to
hide these gifts to that extent they could have just hid them in the quote-unquote playroom yeah but it's
pretty common knowledge that this room that they quote-unquote called the wine cellar is a room that was unfinished it
was to be come a wine cellar never happened and that's often where they would hide gifts because that at least
that part of the basement we know that the kids didn't go to so we we have do we have something stating that they the
gifts were hid in this wine cellar no but what we have from John Ramsey is when he was explaining to the police
officers this is you know this is what we call the wine cellar but it's not finished yet it's going to be the wine
cellar right now it's just used for storage and sometimes we put presents there for the kids on December 25th 1996
this is around 6:00 a.m. the Ramseys wake up later in an interview Patsy will say it was six ish probably the Ramseys
John Patsy Burke and Jon Benet will partake in the normal Christmas morning activities exchanging and opening gifts
breakfast and you know captain I feel like the Christmas morning cup of coffee is the best one of the year I love when
the parents stop everything and say look we're not opening up anything and so I get my first cup of coffee right right
make them wait at noon John is going to leave the house this is to go and check on the airplane keep in mind they have a
planned flight for early the next morning sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 p.m. John
Ramsay returns to the home from checking the plane so the family with the exception of John leaving for a bit this
is pretty much just a really great Christmas day at home now you had touched upon something just a few
minutes ago where you said when you see the crime-scene photos that the house is
in disarray that it's just a mess well first off with my standards with two young children in the home and having a
big Christmas I would say a big lavish Christmas because the parents have all kinds of money and they can buy these
children all kinds of stuff one would anticipate to see a mess especially when they're not hosting anything you know
they've already hosted their Christmas get-together one would expect to see a mess
however I do want to point out that there were several people close relatives of the Ramseys that stated
that the house was kind of always in a mess even though that the house had a housekeeper and that they had some help
that would come in and take care of some things for them the house was always in
a mess this again in part two young children will do that to a home right but messy house messy mind I also want
to point out that in years past we have video footage of the Ramsay's Christmas on I believe it was 1994 and I maybe
some footage on 95 I don't know if that was released to the public but on 1996 what they claim is I think they woke up
and the battery was dead of the camcorder so that's why they didn't take a video that day between 5:00 and 6:00
p.m. the Ramseys left their house this is all four of them John Patsy Burke and Jon Benet and they are in route for the
home of their dear friends flea and Priscilla white this is for a Christmas party I've seen this reported to be as
early as 4:00 p.m. but most often it's said to be in the five o'clock hour this is
your typical Christmas party but at an unknown time the Ramseys leave this party right on the drive home from the
party JonBenet and her brother Burke fell asleep in the car and the Ramseys made
some stops along the way to drop off gifts this is to Stuart and Roxy Walker's home and then to Glen and Susan
Stein's house because we don't know exactly what time they left the party and what time these stops took place we
also don't know exactly what time the Ramseys arrived back at their house right they claimed it was between 9:00
and 9:30 we would have several stories about what would take place once the Ramseys arrived at their home one of
these stories says that John put Jon Benet Ramsey to bed and then he went and played a game with Burke afterward and
eventually Burke goes to bed mm-hmm the Ramsay's later reported to the Boulder Police Department officers that Jon
Benet Ramsey was last seen by Patsy Ramsey in the residence at approximately 10:00 p.m. according to Boulder Police
Department detective Linda aren't John Ramsey said Jon Benet was last seen by him at approximately 2200 hours 10:00
p.m. either way both of these statements put Jon Benet as being last seen in her
bed at 10 o'clock right and a lot of people think how it went down was they get home she's still asleep they don't
want to wake her up and Jon carries her to her bed that's where he would say goodnight and then supposedly this is
where Patsy Ramsey comes in to check on her and says goodnight to her as well John would tell to Boulder police
officers separately that he read to both children before they went to bed now later he would deny both of those
statements yeah because I've heard him say several times that he to bed and she was asleep when he
carried her to bed yeah I just don't know here captain I could see mmm either of these situations being very likely
kids fall asleep in the car you don't want to wake them up you put them straight to bed it's also Christmas
night you know thinking back to my childhood you remember when you get like something
super cool like like a Super Nintendo or a really big gift right and then your parents are like here's your Super
Nintendo with a couple of games oh we got to leave and go to somebody's Christmas party and you're like no last
thing I want to do is leave so still Vince yeah they could have still been excited and
when they got home either situation makes make sense to me what doesn't make sense is that the stories aren't the
same or similar enough yeah and I would say look if you're Burke Hey look at the
story they both fell asleep on the way home nine-year-old Burke wakes up and guess
what he wants to do he wants to play with one of his cool toys that he got just like he just said JonBenet Ramsey
is she's six years old and think about the amount of stuff she's done she she's been a in
competitions she's been performances she's had to be run all over to this family gathering
this friends and family gathering I'm assuming that this six-year-old is wiped out and there is a picture that was just
recently in the last couple years released to the public which is supposedly the last picture of JonBenet
that was ever taken and she looks tired in the picture and that was taken at the
party before they left to go home so and also like I said early claims from John
Ramsey this is what happened later claims from John Ramsey this is what happened I'm gonna go with that story
around 10:00 to 10:30 p.m. Patsy goes to bed now according to Patsy's statement John goes to bed
at 10:03 to 1033 p.m. what we're basing this off of is that Patsy says quote John came to bed shortly thereafter then
asked do you recall if it was 15 minutes or a half an hour right Patsy Ramsey says it was probably just a few minutes
so we are tacking on three minutes either way to that statement 1003 to 1033 John and Patsy both claimed that
they were not awakened during the night they're both in bed yeah but I heard it reported somewhere I want to say maybe
was John Douglas that John Ramsey claims that he took some kind of sleeping aid that night I believe that to be correct
as well as I think that was a pretty regular thing for John Ramsey either way by both accounts we have both of them in
bed between 10:00 10:30 ish 1033 at the latest yeah I've not seen any reports like
growing up when I was a kid my father would go through and check the windows and check the doors now we didn't live
in a 7,000 square foot house but I wonder if John Ramsey had some kind of routine that he would check the
perimeter of the house it has been said that he did that night and it has been said by people that were close to the
family and their housekeeper that the Ramseys were quote good I believe the quote is actually really good about
locking their doors mm-hmm but it's interesting because they're not using their alarm system they have alarm
system but it seems like that was not a common practice for the Ramseys it would
have been at one time the problem was or it's been reported as such they're having two little kids in the home the
children were constantly setting off the security system which created all these
false alarms and anybody that has a security system knows that those false alarms they start to come with fines
that can get fairly fairly steep right fairly quickly from law enforcement now we move on to
December 26th captain sometime around midnight neighbor Scott Gibbons says he looked out his kitchen window
toward the Ramsey residence and observed that the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low again another one of
those things it could mean something it could mean nothing at all now the whereabouts of John Andrew
Ramsey this is John's son from his first marriage his whereabouts will come into
question so it is important for us to note here that between midnight and 1:00 a.m. at least three people put him at
the home of Lucinda Johnson in Marietta Georgia later he is at another home again in Georgia just to be perfectly
clear here captain these sightings these alibis for John Andrew Ramsey are 100% confirmed right yeah they were actually
cleared by the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people in this case so
for them to clear him that that's important and we have confirmation of people being with John Andrew Ramsey up
until 8:30 6:00 a.m. at 1:00 a.m. neighbors Andrew Vermeer and Luke Vermeer they went to bed this is after
watching movies they say that before they went to bed all the way up to 1:00 a.m. they did not hear anything unusual
they didn't see anything unusual everything was typical for that time of night mm-hmm
according to Boulder detective Steve Thomas neighbor melody Stanton says she heard a scream between midnight and 2:00
a.m. this seems quite interesting to me but I do want to take this a step further and point out that this same
woman did say at the very early stages of the investigation that she had nothing to offer she did not want to get
involved then later she claims that she heard a scream between the midnight hour and
approximately 2:00 a.m. yeah I heard what I heard about these screams is that they heard some screams multiple screams
none just one but they heard multiple screams and thought okay well surely the the parents of this girl are home
because they she thought the screams were from a little girl that the parents are home and they'll take care of this
and that's why they stopped hearing the screams also around 2:00 a.m. I want to point out that the whites regarding the
activity at their friends fleet and priscilla white everyone including their guests are reported to have gone to bed
by 2:00 a.m. at 5:30 a.m. John Ramsey wakes up the family plans to get up early that morning because they were to
fly to Charlevoix Michigan for a family vacation Patsy Ramsey got up quote a few
minutes later while mr. Ramsey took a shower mrs. Ramsey put back on the same outfit she had on the night before she
put on some makeup and she went down to the second floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen now there's
two different versions of this story there is one that states that she went to check on Jon Benet on her way
downstairs and Jon Benet was not there right the other story says that she went she attempted to go straight down to the
ground level floor now either way there on the spiral stairs she found on a step
near the bottom of these stairs she discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side-by-side
they indicated that Jon Benet had been kidnapped Patsy Ramsey told detective aren't that she found a note at the
bottom of the staircase at approximately 5:45 a.m. she says she read only a few lines
stating that Jon Benet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed in demanding 118 thousand dollars for her return
mrs. Ramsay immediately screamed and then ran to check JonBenet's room which she found to be empty
after hearing mrs. Ramsay scream John Ramsay ran downstairs and met Patsy Ramsey in the stairwell together they
checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room John Ramsey then went downstairs to read the ransom note
he told Patsy to call the police at 5:00 [Music] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause]
[Music] [Applause] [Applause] okay okay what's your name okay okay do you know how long she's been gone out I
don't we do coffee she won here oh my god wait okay I am honey take a deep breath happy
[Applause] [Music] introducing the Jeffrey Epstein I knew a new podcast from CNN hosted by Vicki
Ward this 7 episode series takes you behind the scenes to hear a one-of-a-kind account of Epstein an
individual who's more myth than man Vicki Ward has been reporting on Jeffrey Epstein for almost two decades and takes
listeners beyond the headlines to explore who Jeffrey Epstein really was where he got his money and the
circumstances surrounding his death subscribe to the Jeffrey Epstein I new wherever you get your podcast whatever
struggles you are facing from depression and anxiety to trauma and grief better help can connect you with a professional
counselor and a safe and private online environment it's so convenient you can schedule secure video or phone sessions
as well as chat and text with your therapist and anything that you share is completely confidential best of all it's
a truly affordable option our listeners even get 10% off your first month with discount code garage so why not get
started simply go to better help calm slash garage and fill out a questionnaire to get matched with the
counselor you'll love today if you would like to hear more of the garage all of our old episodes are available
for free on the stitcher app and for our other show off the record check us out on stitcher premium join us tomorrow for
episode 2 until then be good be kind and don't let it [Music]

Source: https://www.podbean.com/eau/pb-juzhv-c9f5ec

JonBenet Ramsey ////// Little Miss Christmas Episode 1 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com On December 26th 1996, 6-year old JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered in the basement of her home in Boulder, Colorado. Her case remains unsolved. Beer of the Week - Citra Noel Hoppy Holiday Ale by Columbus Brewing Company Garage Grade - 4 and a quarter bottle caps out of 5 Check out this week’s sponsors and save BIG with our codes! www.BetterHelp.com/Garage - use code GARAGE for 10% off your first month! www.Stamps.com - click on the microphone at the top of the page and type in GARAGE for a 4 week trial plus FREE postage and a digital scale! www.Everlane.com/Garage - get FREE shipping on your first order! Subscribe to “The Jeffrey Epstein I Knew” wherever you get your podcasts Check out Supernatural Skeptics Guide to New Orleans: Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, iHeartRadio, TuneIn + Alexa or at vrwalkingdead.com

The full archive of True Crime Garage is available on the Stitcher listening app - for FREE. Our show “Off the Record” is only on Stitcher Premium. For a FREE month of listening go to http://stitcherpremium.com/truecrimegarage and use promo code GARAGE

Brief Summary

The episode details JonBenet Ramsey's life, her family's background, and the events leading to her tragic murder.

Key points

Introducing the Jeffrey Epstein Podcast. A new series hosted by Vicki Ward explores the life of Jeffrey Epstein.
JonBenet Ramsey's Tragic Timeline. A detailed look into the life of JonBenet Ramsey leading up to her murder.
The Mysterious 911 Call. A 911 call made during the Ramsey Christmas party raises suspicions about the crime.
BetterHelp: Affordable Online Counseling. BetterHelp offers licensed professional counselors to help with various issues in a convenient online setting.
Everlane: Radically Transparent Fashion. Everlane makes premium essentials without traditional markups, ensuring you know what you're paying for.
Christmas Eve at the Ramseys. The Ramseys retrieved Christmas gifts from their basement, raising questions about their home life.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

What is going on here?

Speculation about the 911 call during the party.

22:14WatchDec 4, 2019

Tension

60/ 100Some tension

More from True Crime Garage TV

Solve the Crime

Read a real case one clue at a time, then see how your call held up against the investigators.