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I don't care what's on the line Howard you have got to say but we know in the booth yes we have to say it remember
this is just a football game no matter who wins or loses an unspeakable tragedy confirmed To Us by ABC news in New York
York City John lenon outside of his apartment building on the west side of New York City the most famous perhaps of
all of The Beatles shot twice in the back rushed to Rosevelt Hospital Dead on Arrival caught to go back to the game
after that new Flash which in Duty found we had to take Frank indeed it [Applause]
is [Music] [Applause] [Music] 1935 marked the start of a severe uptick in international conflicts invasions
Mass death and War across the globe first it was Italy's invasion of Ethiopia and then the Spanish Civil War
in 1937 Japan invaded China and in the mid to late 1930s Japanese forces had sporadic border clashes with the Soviet
Union and Mongolia and Europe Germany and Italy were becoming more and more aggressive and then on September 1st
1939 Germany invaded Poland the United Kingdom responded with an ultimatum to Germany to cease military operations but
this was ignored so France and Britain declared war on Germany and thus began World War II a little more than a year
later during the deadliest conflict in human history a global war that would result in 70 to 85 million fatalities
both civilian and Military a baby was born John lennin was born October 9th 1940 in
Oxford Street maternity hospital in Liverpool England during a German air raid Liverpool is located on England's
Northwestern coast and is a bustling port city the city has a reputation for toughness culture and diversity John
would be born to both of his parents Julia and Alfred Lennon Alfred lenon was a merchant Seaman and John was named
John Winston lenon after his father's Father John who went by Jack Lennon and the prime minister of course Winston
Churchill during and after the birth the German air raid raged on this means bomb
warning sirens going off and screaming can you imagine bringing a child into the world and your city heck the
hospital you are in is under heavy threat of being bombed the hospital was sending patients and guests to The
Cellar for better protection they were also sending people home they were putting the babies under the beds for
better protection John's mother Julia was for the most part a single mother during John's childhood he saw very
little of his father who went by Freddy most of his life who went awall while serving in the Navy after Julia's sister
complained to Liverpool's Social Services twice Julia gave custody of John to her sister so for several years
John was brought up by his mother's sister Mimi there was some more time spent with living with his father and
then his mother again but ultimately John would be returned to Mimi and she and her husband would raise John for
most of his childhood in his early teens he got his first guitar and spent many hours learning and playing at the age of
15 Lennon formed a a skiffle band called The Quarrymen this named after his school Quarry Bank high school well in
skiffle would be the type of music they would be playing it's old timey music then on July 6th
1958 John and a young man maybe some of you have heard of this is some guy named
Paul McCartney the two met for the very first time Paul joined the band and shortly after Paul recommended that his
friend George Harrison join the band as well and soon The Quarrymen became an early version of The Beatles sadly John
Lennon's mother Julia passed away before John was 18 Julia lennin was struck by a
car while she was walking home now this tragic event led to lennin drinking heavily and often getting into fist
fights and a lot of aggressive behavior this Behavior would continue for about 2
years or so in May of 1960 the band was renamed the silver Beatles be t l s and of course later renamed Again The
Beatles b e a t l s I think there has always been some debate on who named the band and why the unique spelling I've
heard different sources say different things the story that I like the best is John said something like a flaming man
or a man in Flames appear and spoke to him in one of his dreams and said you'll be called The Beatles with an A and so
it was well I think anytime that you have the biggest band in the world and the biggest band in history there's a
lot of folklore that goes along with a band of that size if I were in the band Captain I would certainly be taking
credit for having come up with the name I'm just whether I did or not even if you are Ringo the last to join after
they already named Nam did the Beatles I I have no shot at being in a band like the Beatles so I'm just I'm just making
weird comments at this point the Beatles first concert was at the cavern Club in
Liverpool in March of 1961 the following year in 1962 a man named George Martin signed
the band to a record deal years later Martin said he was not particularly impressed by the band's demo tapes but
he liked their wit and their humor on August 23rd 1962 John married his pregnant girlfriend Cynthia pow this was
a very simple very small ceremony after the ceremony JN and the Beatles left Liverpool to play a show out of town
spending their wedding night apart was fitting as it would set the pattern for their life together John was away all of
the time and was on the road when Cynthia gave birth to their son Charles Jillian lennen who was born April 8th
1963 yeah they're mainly signed because of their manager Brian Epstein and also Epstein would be the one that would kind
of manage them on all their decisions you know one being if you have a girlfriend or a wife we don't answer
questions about that we just act like it doesn't exist that same year in 1963 the
band really took off and would go on to be one of the biggest and most popular bands in the world ever hear of the term
Beetle Mania in 1964 The Beatles toured the United States of America for the first time
during which they appeared on The Ed solivan Show I think this level of popularity in a band was something that
people never seen before the closest thing was possibly Elis and they were so huge that people actually called them
the four Elvises John Lennon was no stranger to controversy in 1966 he made an off-the-cuff remark in an interview
with the evening standard saying Christianity will go it will vanish and Shrink we're more popular than Jesus now
I don't know which will go first rock and roll or Christianity and I think this is where his honesty starts shining
as far as he's willing to say what he actually believes and I think one of the things that people get twisted is I
think there was a part of him that was saying look we're bigger than Jesus and I don't know if that's okay I don't know
if that's the way it should be yeah I don't know that he was bragging which I think some people took it to be that way
at the time I think we just have a situation where this is a young man who's making an observation and threw it
out there again an off-the-cuff remark well words have meaning and sometimes consequences so this led to a Beatles
boycott in the US especially in the Deep South and a quick internet search you can find images of gatherings with
bonfires and people a lot of them teens really burning Beatles albums this seems
like an overreaction uh especially looking back on it now I remember Captain when I was
14 I had a newspaper route a smaller route and I took my whole first paycheck and I used that paycheck to
purchase Aussie Osborne's live and Loud album and about the same time I was going off to this this other church with
my friends for evening Gatherings or and weekend Gatherings and they did a lot of
social activities for young teens at that time as well so I was intrigued by the friendship and by this new church
and very quickly after going there I get this flyer we're having this get together where you can
bring your rock and roll and heavy metal albums and we're going to burn them and
I thought I just spent my whole paycheck right to buy this album that I that I'd
wanted for months and I I couldn't see the connection between that church and why I needed to burn the album so that
was the last social gathering at that church for me and of course in typical John lenen quick wit fashion he had a
remark for that as well saying that if people wanted to burn the albums they had to buy them first well what's funny
to me about this is the early Beatles music was so pop and was so friendly there wasn't any controversy going on in
the music itself right I think it was just simply that statement again this seems to be more of something that was
going on in the deep south of America where I've heard other people say that it was kind of a mixed bag of reaction
for other parts of our country where maybe mom or dad was on the side of you can't listen to The Beatles no more son
or daughter but the other was like hey this is just a a 25-year-old kid saying something silly he doesn't really mean
it it's not a big deal it's just it's just music right but this would change the Beatles forever because their
touring was getting so out of hand and at the time we didn't have the technology to have these big sound
systems MH so these guys were going and playing in front of all these screaming fans and they couldn't even hear
themselves play and then on top of that because of these remarks we had groups showing up like the KKK to stop these
concerts to protest and also there was threats against their lives from groups like the KKK and at a lot of these
concerts we have something that I think is just bizarre but hey there are big big Die Hard fans out there for
everything in this world but you see when you look back at the footage you see teenage girls fainting and passing
out in the audience yeah that's normally what happens when I go to Crime Con on November 9th
1966 John met a Japanese American artist named Yoko Ono her art was on display in
London both John and Yoko were married to other people but a connection was made and the two were determined to stay
in touch in 1967 The Beatles manager Brian Epstein died of a drug overdose and many marked
this event as the beginning of the end for the band and obviously we're just going over some bullet points I mean the
history and the details of the Beatles career lives in the band and out of the band is so extensively researched
because they are the biggest band of all time so obviously we're not going to cover every single point of The Beatles
career in 1968 John Lennon's marriage was over he admitted to Cynthia that during their marriage he had many
Affairs and his friendship with Yoko was now becoming a romance well and I just want to be clear on something because I
think as somebody that is such a big icon like lennin one of the things that's overlooked is you know he was
abusive towards his first wife he was physically and verbally abusive and that's not just coming from his son
saying so Julian but that's also he admits to that John even goes as far to say check out songs like better on
Sergeant peppers and he's talking about himself within that song and how he needs to
uh change and and not do these things and it's not an excuse in any way but when your mother is taken from you uh
from an off-duty police officer when your father isn't around and you're raised by your aunt you're going to have
some kind of early trauma that can affect the way you behave in relationships well and he's mixing that
anger with drugs and alcohol as well with uh selfic in November of 1968 the band released the album titled
The Beatles which would also later be known as The White Album well and I think this is one of the reasons why the
Beatles became one of the biggest fand of all time cuz like I said they're too big to tour so all they could do is
spend time in the studio and they were doing this at a at a time where technology was catching up so now you
didn't have just like a four track you could put more like instrumentation make something bigger and they were able to
create so many records per year because that's all they had to do speaking of which Captain It is believed that on
August 18th when the band got together collectively to record a song called the end this would be the last session with
all four members together in the recording studio and and then this is followed by John telling the group in a
band meeting in September of 69 that he was leaving the band it seems like this information did not make its way to the
public who knows for what reasons but it wasn't until the following year when Paul McCartney stated in an interview in
April that the band was breaking up yeah there's all these again it's such a big
band there's so many conflicting stories but one of the things I think are is interesting is they were doing a
documentary their last record was going to be Let It Be and they just thought we're going to
strip it down go back to like the original rock and roll style that we're doing and then they felt like it was
disappointing so they actually made a conscious effort to go back in the studio and record Abby Road which is
amazing piece of work and quit so yes maybe John was the one that said hey I'm leaving or maybe Paul was the one that
said I'm leaving first but all four of the members knew this was coming to to an end and regardless of how it went
down you could see for months and months the four of them slowly going their separate ways yes they were going their
separate ways but it's also interesting because they're setting out now on a bigger business adventure together under
Apple music then in 1970 John Lennon's debut solo album John Lennon plastic Ono band was
released soon after Captain we have Lennon and Ono who moved to New York City in August of
1971 I found one source that said that Yoko was taking too much criticism in the papers in London and that was one of
several reasons why the two chose to relocate again because the ban was so big there was a blame game going on some
people blamed Paul McCartney for breaking up the ban and a lot of people blamed Yoko Ono a lot of people blamed
Yoko Ono for breaking up John Lenin's first marriage as well if it it seems like if people did not like Yoko they
just blamed her for everything and we know that Lennon's marriage was pretty much doomed because of his own actions
for many years anyway a thing that's not talked about a lot because again he has
such this iconic symbol to him that people never want to talk about the negative stuff but during the last few
years of The Beatles he was a heroin addict and so was Yoko so the fact that had a major play on on their business
relationships their personal relationships and and people putting blame on on her because
they were seeing their friend be a drug addict basically when the two moved to New York City they immediately embraced
the US politics and became involved speaking they were activist for a peace movement and the couple released their
happy Christmas War is Over single in December of that year John lennin was not greeted with open welcome Arms by
everyone here in the states when he chose to relocate in fact it was the Nixon Administration that took on what
was called a strategic countermeasure against John Lennon's anti-war anti-nixon propaganda this would lead to the
administration and some involvement with the FBI as well to surveil John Lenin to
keep tabs on him it's even suggested that they were tapping wire tapping his phone and they were threatened by lennin
why would would Nixon be threatened by somebody like John lennin well there's going to be an election coming up and
they were afraid that this guy who is involved in politics he's he's vocal that he has the ear of the American
Youth and that he could drive if he wanted to he could drive masses of people to the left to join the
Democratic party and vote that way against Nixon in the upcoming election that is a very scary thing to see that
this guy all by himself has more control and more influence than the president of
the United States well this is during the whole Peace Love hippie movement and so they were doing this to a lot of
artists they were having the FCC come down hard on shows that lean left uh artists that lean left but also during
this time him and and Yoko aren't getting along too well and and he's having his what they call the Lost
weekend but even before that we have the Nixon Administration what they're going
to try to do Captain is they don't want Lenin to stay in the United States right
so you can't set up residency here and we have our reasons this would lead to several years of legal battles with the
immigration authorities and the Very basics of it are this they did have reasons to not
allow him to stay one he had overstayed his welcome so to speak when he first got here you have to start filing for
things and applying for citizenship and and the right to stay and which he didn't do so in a timely manner and that
all seems a bit arbitrary especially when we're talking about an individual that they didn't seem to want to be here
second of all there was an arrest that took place back in London and they would often cite that as well that's further
reason that we don't want this individual to be in our country he couldn't obey the the laws of his own
country before coming here and I think you pointed this out well and so have several others that the simplest reason
what Lon believed and what is probably correct is that he was outspoken for peace and against the war they didn't
want that to have an effect on the upcoming election and then we have the situation where where you're right him
and Yoko Ono are not getting along and a lot of that is again some of Jon's self-destructive behavior and his well
irresponsible and Unfaithful behavior and this leads to the L weekend which was about an
18mon period of time where the two were were separated from about roughly 73 till
1975 yeah what's interesting is Yoko actually basically told uh hooked John up with May ping and they basically had
a relationship for a couple years I believe they got got back together at the Elton John
concert that Elton John had in New York basically Elton John played on a John lennin song and said if it ever got to
number one you're going to have to come out and and do a live performance and that'd be like John Lennon's first live
performance in years and that would be when Yoko and JN would get back together yes so you have this period of roughly
18 months and it's all kinds of debauchery most of it taking place out LA with other friends and other stars as
well title at the last weekend the two get back together John and Yoko Ono and they are going to have a baby together
on October 9th 1975 and this is a very unique thing here we have sha Toro Ono lenen who is
born on October 9th 1975 this shares the same birthday as his father John Lennon also
born on October 9th well this is going to create a big shift in John's life he's going to remove himself from the
spotlight he's not going to write any songs he's going to be a stay-at-home dad and raise his son like he did not do
with his first son yeah on his 35th birthday John lennin would step away from music and he would decide to
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[Music] free [Music] I want to ask you about writing I mean writing 10 songs in a week as I believe
you did we mentioned it earlier uh for the walls and bridges album that seems to me to be an awful lot of pressure how
exactly do you go about writing John these days or both of you in fact as a combination which of those two is the
more important looking back at it whenever I comment about writing I always seem to been suffering whether it
was right in day in the life or whatever it's some kind of sufferings I always seem to have an intense time writing and
thinking this is the end and nothing's coming and this is dumb and this is no good and all that business so not
writing for the five years which I didn't I didn't pick up a guitar or anything and not trying to write not
making attempt to write or anything like that so what you said about walls and bridges applies to double fantasy I was
in Bermuda and Yoko was in New York doing some business I was in berua with sha and The Nanny
and that kind of stuff and then when we made a tentative decision to make a record I didn't have any material then
suddenly it all came to me all the songs that are on Double Fantasy all came within a period of 3 weeks in in Bermuda
after 5 years of nothing not trying but nothing coming anyway no inspiration no anything then suddenly boom boom boom
boom boom see he's a very fast writer because it's an inspiration it's just come through him so it's just a matter
of writing it down almost when we did Double Fantasy I was in New York and he was in Bermuda we were sort of
communicating on the phone I would say well what about this and then he would call me maybe 4 hours later and say what
about this be singing to each other and that was a dialogue it was very strange and we went through sort of like a
paradoxical feeling of well half resisting well I don't want to hear a song now I'm very tired but well I mean
I've heard yours all right well let's hear it then you know that sort of thing I went through that and then we were
going to go to studio and because of that I felt we're both bigheaded people and so maybe we're going to fight like
crazy over a remix or this and that you know because we both have very definite ideas and I'm sure that John felt that
way too joh must have felt well can we really work together but somehow we were so well and we were all prepared to so
maybe have a difficult time but don't you think yeah it was the easiest session I've ever done I think 5 years
is an awful long time what sort of mental discipline did it involve resisting picking up a Guitar well it
wasn't a matter of resisting the first half a year or year I had this sort of feeling in the back of my mind that I
ought to I ought to and I'd go through periods of panic because I was not in the enemy or the billboard or being seen
at Studio 54 with Mick and Bianca I mean I didn't exist anymore I got a little fear of that would come like a paranoia
and then it would go away because I'd be involved with a baby or involved with whatever other business that we were
involved with but that only lasted about 9 months and then there was suddenly like a oh it just went away and I
realized there was a life after death you know I mean there was a life without it did you enjoy that realiz was great
it was like oh my God and I would sit around thinking what does this remind me of what does this remind me of I thought
this reminds me of being 15 I didn't have to write songs of 15 I wrote it if I wanted to or I played rock and roll if
I wanted to I didn't have to do it I was I didn't have some imaginary standard set up by me or some group of critics or
whatever in other words back to the days before the pressure yeah so I sort of got back to that and then that's when I
suddenly could do it again with ease the most enjoyable thing for me apart from putting them on the tape when you first
put them is the inspirational in the spirit because when the songs really come and you're not sitting down like a
Craftsman writing I can do that you know you want a song about bananas for a movie I could do that okay you know I'm
quite capable of turning it out like that I wouldn't enjoy it so much maybe but I could do it on that level but my
joy is when you're like possessed like a medium I mean I'll be sitting around and
it'll come in the middle of the night or the time when you don't want to do it you know that's the exciting part so I'm
lying around and then this thing comes as a whole piece you know words and music and I'm think can I say I wrote it
I don't know who the hell wrote it I'm just sitting and this whole damn song comes out so you're like driven and you
find yourself over on a piano a guitar and you put it down because it's been given to you or whatever it is that you
tune into there's John lennin discussing his break from music and then the Rejuvenation of his music career which
took place in 1980 before we get to that there Captain let's give a little more background here we have the Linens John
and Yoko who were living at the Dakota which is also known as the Dakota apartments this is a building located on
the northwest corner of 72nd Street in Central Park West in Upper West Side of Manhattan they were subleasing an
apartment from actor Robert Ryan for a brief period of time now Ryan passed away in
1973 and after that event the Lenin wanted to purchase the unit that he was living in well the board is
a little particular at this apartment complex the Dakota and they weren't so hip to the idea of the Lenin living
there purchasing an apartment in the beginning that might have had something to do with Jon having trouble getting
residency here in the United States eventually that goes away and what we have is John and Yoko they purchased
five different apartments at the Dakota two of them were living quarters for John Yoko and their son together Shawn
and they had a unit that was purchased for Shawn's Nanny and her husband so that they would be in the same building
on call they could tend to Sha's needs whenever it was necessary and they also purchased two other units these were
simply used for storage yeah John had a lot of Endeavors when he talks about all
all there other business things going on well some of these business things were
real estate transactions and to show you how picky the board has been over the years for the Dakota first off we should
probably point out that this is a very old building I mean the Dakota was constructed between
1880 and 1884 and it was a historical landmark even well before Lenin's death death now
the board denied living quarters to people such as Jean Simmons from Kiss Billy Joel and
Carly Simon and some other famous people that have lived there throughout the years are John Madden Rosie odonald Joe
namoth and Judy Garland what I always find interesting about this time period is when his friends say that they talk
to John how happy he was uh staying at home and I think some of that has to do with the fact that he wasn't there
obviously for his first child and to to try to do it correct and be the guy he wanted to be uh and that he was able to
do that for his second son Shawn yeah there's nothing more fulfilling than being a good father a good husband and I
also think some of that too is a certain level of sobriety that he did not partake in for many years of his life
and you have what is is an Angry Young Man Who is fueling some of that anger with drugs and alcohol and you can't
start to let go or work through that anger and grow until you start to let go of that drugs and alcohol well also
being one of the most famous people in the world I mean that has to be I'm sure there's a burden that comes with that as
well yeah right right and I and then I also think as a artist um having a situation where you're supposed supposed
L the best so then your competition is yourself so you always have to top yourself and then after the breakup
there's a competition between the members and I think there's something nice about just going hey I'm going to
let all that go and like he says in the interview it's like when it's all over with there's
actually a life after that right and one thing that I find fascinating is the clip that we played there you can hear
lenon in his own words saying look there was not a resistance an effort put forward on my behalf to not create music
there was simply a lack of creativity and a lack of anything coming through a lack of that that energy that I once had
and he describes it in many ways as a job but where he's going to find inspiration and that renewed sense of
creativ it will be from a trip that he takes to Bermuda in the summer of 1980 now something very interesting
happens to lennin on that trip he's aboard a yacht this is like a 40 3ot sailboat with a crew well they're out
there and the Seas get rough my friend the storm is coming in and this is a pretty powerful storm the crew is
experiencing seasickness John Lennon is not he is the only one that can really pull it
together and hold the wheel and try to keep the craft steady well let's go back a little bit because he wasn't part of
the crew he was basically cooking for the crew saying hey look guys I'm not I'm not the manly guy I can't do this
stuff but hey I can cook for you well like you said they all get sick and then the guy that's saying well I'm not I'm
not manly enough to take over the ship has to take over the ship and for several hours he has to fight his way
through the storm sailing this boat through the storm there and he said this was one of the most profound experiences
in his entire life if not the most and it was that moment followed by his stay in Bermuda that was really the
inspiration that the light switch just clicked right back on for him and all this stuff just pouring through all of
this good music just pouring through but I also think there's probably a little bit of fear too like look I'm being a
good husband I'm being a good man I'm being a good father can you do both can you be a great artist and be all those
things I also think that there's a bit of the weight of the situation when you're out on that boat
boat there's a possibility that you and the rest of the guys are not going to survive that storm right there's a
certain fragility to life that becomes very you become very aware of and maybe that was a bit of a kick in the pants
for him to get him back on his horse again in October of 1980 we have another special event in John Lenin's life he
turns age 40 and on that same day his son Shawn turns age five and Yoko surprised both of them with having a you
know where you have the plane and they write in the sky she wrote a message to both of them that says happy birthday to
John and Shawn love Yoko they were able to view this out their apartment Window in November of 1980 is when they would
release the album double fantasy this is John Lennon's return to music and the album is taking off it very quickly went
gold well at this time too he's doing a lot of interviews he did a big famous uh
Playboy interview and one for the Rolling Stone magazine yeah on the evening of Friday December 5th 1980 John
Lennon spoke to Rolling Stone editor Jonathan cot for more than nine hours at his apartment in New York's upper west
side and this interview was so long nine hours that's a long long time to be sitting down and have a discussion it
continued on at the record plant recording studio and that brings us up to December 8th 1980 that morning John
Lennon and Yoko Ono woke up in their apartment as they did most mornings they went out and had a nice breakfast they
typically would go to a cafe or someplace Within walking distance of the Dakota for their breakfast or maybe hop
in a limo and go grab something to eat out in the town while out that day John decides to get a haircut this is
important because he has a photo shoot that they will be doing at the couple's apartment at the Dakota the photo shoot
was scheduled for 11 a.m. on that day on Monday December 8th Rolling Stone magazine photog grapher Annie Lebowitz
arrived at Lennon's apartment for the photo shoot this is going to go with the interview that he had just done three
days prior and the plan was to run this interview with some photographs for the interview as well as
a photograph for the cover of the upcoming issue of Rolling Stone magazine this is going to one fly off of this the
newspaper stands for the magazine great for the magazine but it's also further promotion for the Double Fantasy album
that is recently been released during this photo shoot Annie Liebowitz she thought that you know what would be a
good idea I would like to snap a photo of Jon and Yoko both in the nude right let's get something where people were
out there talking spread the word do something controversial a little bit it's going to be good for the magazine
good for the album well Yoko says I'm not real comfortable being fully nuded for this photo shoot so what we have is
what would become the the Rolling Stone magazine cover was a Polaroid shot a single Polaroid shot of Yoko Ono lying
fully clothed on her back and you have John Lennon who is completely nude and he's
kind of holding his wife in a way that he's almost in like the fetal position yeah it's become one of the most iconic
pictures of John and Yoko at 1 pm San Francisco radio producer Dave scholen arrives at the apartment to conduct what
will become John Lenin's last interview this is about a 3our session where John talks and the thing is when you look
back at this interview as well as the one that was conducted three days prior there are some kind of Haunting
statements that John makes only because we now know these are the last interviews right but in this interview
with Dave scholen John says quote we're either going to live or we're going to die I consider that my work won't be
finished until I'm dead and buried and I hope that's a long time I believe that John felt a great deal of admiration
towards the 60s because that was his Heyday that was his Pinnacle and then dealing with the breakup of The Beatles
the competition between members this lost weekend I think he looked down upon the 70s and thinking
okay well now things are better we're getting things together the 80s are going to be a really special time one of
the quotes from the December 5th Rolling Stone interview that I wanted to point out too is John says quote Give Peace a
chance not shoot people for peace all we need is love I believe it end quote after the interview at 4:30 John and
Yoko were scheduled to go to the recording studio they had a session scheduled where they were going to
record a track that they were working on together now when John and Yoko first go
outside of the Dakota they observe that their ride is not not there they would typically travel by way of limousine and
this seemed to upset John a little bit he didn't like to wait around especially not out front of the Dakota because as
we already pointed out we got famous and interesting people that live there so you get these people that gather and
hang out and they're looking to see somebody famous and many of these people are looking to catch a glimpse of John
and Yoko in particular as well as try to maybe snatch a an autograph from John while outside of the Dakota so the Dave
scholen who did the interview he offers a ride to JN and Yoko and I think he was
a little surprised when when they decided to wait around for the limo that was was arriving late now during this
time we have a young man who approaches John lennin and he hands John a copy of the Double Fantasy album wanting his
autograph John signs the young man's album and he signs it John Lenin 1980 gives it back to the young man and now
he's going to get his ride they're going to go off to the studio while he is writing or signing
his autograph on the cover of the Double Fantasy album somebody snaps a picture which captures
John lennen looking down at the album cover and the young man standing just over his left shoulder looking down as
John is signing the autograph we would later know the man in the picture with John lenen to be that of Mark David
Chapman I'll post all these pictures on our Instagram at True Crime garage and also on Twitter and Facebook at the
recording session things seemed to go exactly the way that John and Yoko wanted they loved the outcome they loved
the result of their hard work at the record studio and before they leave the recording studio JN makes sure to get a
cassette of what they just recorded because he and Yoko would like to listen to it again and again they're very
pleased with the outcome of this then they're going to be picked up by a limo at 10:35 from the music studio to head
back to the Dakota at 10:48 p.m. the limo stops just outside of the Dakota's Gateway and Yoko climbs out of the limo
followed by John who's carrying a tape recorder and several cassettes John walks past the man that
he had signed the autograph before just hours before Mark David Chapman and he passes by the man and he moves
on at this point Mark Chapman and there's some debate over this Captain if Chapman said anything or if he didn't
say anything most sources that I found seem to say that he said Lenin or Mr Lenin to
which JN may have started to turn but it didn't matter because by this point Mark
Chapman has already put himself in a stance where he is ready to shoot at John Lenin he gets into a combat stance
pulls out a gun from his coat pocket and fires five shots at the most famous man
in the world John Lennon was hit with 38 Caliber hollow bullets at Close Range four of the five shots would hit lennin
and lennin would stumble up a set of stairs into to the building's office where he collapsed falling face down the
night Watchman is in this same office and he sees all of this go down so he hits the alarm which is going to
immediately summon the police and within just a minute or two we have the street
in front of the Dakota is now full of cop cars and Sirens going off very quickly Mark Chapman is cuffed what
Chapman did was soon as he shot lennin apparently there was somebody that said something to him like what are you doing
do you realize what you've just done get out of here just get out of here and Chapman says to that person where would
I go and I've seen reports that say that he set the gun down and then he also took off a his coat he had on a big coat
right and Chapman took off this coat apparently for the reasoning of he wanted police to know right away that he
was not armed he's not holding a gun he's not concealing a weapon and he starts thumbing through the pages of his
favorite book The Catcher in the r he's arrested and cuffed without incident to which we have the police
officer when the police walk up to him and approach him Mark Chapman says to the officers I'm sorry I ruined your
night and one of the cops says what do you mean ruined our night you just ruined the rest of your life right Mark
Chapman tells the officer that there's a big person and a little person inside of
me today the little person won and again when he's asked if he knew what he just
did do you know what you just did Mark Chapman replies I killed myself I'm John Lennon So they they St that a limousine
and they went inside the gate there then all of a sudden they heard five six shots and that was it four cops pulled
John Lennon out and put him into the back of a police car and his mouth he was bleeding from his mouth and he it
was terrible sight Mr Chapman came up behind him and called to him Mr Lennon as he arrived at that doorway and
then in a combat stance he fired he emptied the Charter Arms 38 caliber gun that he had with him and um
shot John Lennon the news spread quickly within minutes fans the curious and reporters are at the Dakota apartment
building waiting for news from Roosevelt Hospital John Lennon was brought to the emergency room
of the Roosevelt site St Luke's Roosevelt Hospital this evening shortly before 11:00
p.m. he was Dead on Arrival the first reaction disbelief why would someone stalk and kill John Lennon
and why now when Lennon was just coming out of 5 years of seclusion almost immediately a vigil of stunned fans
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Brief Summary

John Lennon’s life, music career, and tragic assassination are discussed in detail.

Key points

John Lennon's Troubled Childhood. Raised by his aunt after his mother was killed, Lennon faced early trauma that shaped his life.
The Beatles' Controversial Statement. John Lennon claimed, 'We're more popular than Jesus now,' sparking outrage and protests.
The Beatles' Breakup. Tensions rose within the band, leading to their eventual breakup and solo careers.
John's Transformation. John Lennon decides to step away from music to become a father, marking a significant life change.
The Storm at Sea. During a yacht trip, John faces a powerful storm, leading to a profound personal revelation.
Last Interview Insights. In his final interviews, John shares haunting reflections on life, creativity, and peace.

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Episode quotes

John Lennon was born during a German air raid.

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