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[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] down [Music] when police arrived on the scene shortly
before 11 p.m. on December 8th 1980 John lennin was in such bad shape that they could not wait for the
ambulance to arrive and the officers scooped up John lennin and put them in the the back of a police squad car to
rush him off to Roosevelt Hospital because of the location of the bullet holes they had to lie him in the back of
the vehicle face down so that Jon would not choke on his own blood John was wheeled into the emergency room by this
point he had lost about 80% of his blood and virtually had no pulse at all doctors and nurses were looking for a
way to save this man's life so they made an incision in the left chest and separated the ribs and found a very
large amount of blood they looked for an injury to the heart and they used by hand to try to pump and massage the
heart to bring this man back to life but every time they pumped most of what they
pumped simply just came out blood out of the holes it was totally ineffective although seven Medics tried desperately
to revive him John Lenin was finally pronounced dead and at 11:15 p.m. on ABC Monday Night Football Howard coel
announced Jon's death to the world and you heard that clip in the trailer for part one of our coverage of John
Lennon's case you have the most famous man in the world dead assassinated by Mark David Chapman a guy that nobody
knows so now everybody wants to know who is Mark David Chapman and why did he do
this yeah the suspect arrested as you said Captain was Mark David Chapman 25 years old from Hawaii he was under heavy
guard and taken to the tombs prison in downtown Manhattan to await arraignment which would take place Tuesday morning
he apparently stalked John lennin for 3 days days he told police he had a license for the gun that he used to kill
John lennin which was a Charter Arms 38 caliber revolver but was only able to produce a bill of sale for the gun
purchased in Honolulu Hawaii 6 weeks before the shooting Chapman told police he was annoyed that lennin had only
scribbled his autograph on the album police said that although Chapman gave different stories to the detectives
about the slang he was emphatic that he knew he was shooting The 40-Year-Old John Lennon David Gaffin president of
Gaffin records read a statement issued by Yoko the night of Lennon's death saying quote John loved and prayed for
the human race please do the same for him all right let's dive in to who is Mark David Chapman Mark Chapman was born
May 10th 1955 in Fort Worth Texas but he grew up in decanter Georgia in a pretty
typical situation living with Mom Dad and then his little sister who was seven years younger than Mark the major
difference from most other typical living situations for a child is simple his father David Chapman was a Staff
Sergeant in the US Air Force and was verbally and physically abusive to both Mark and his mother Mark said he was in
constant fear of his father so when at home he would spend most of his time locking himself away in his bedroom
during this time of self-isolation Mark developed Imaginary Friends imaginary people and even characters Mark Chapman
began to fantasize about having king-like power over a group of imaginary little people who lived in the
walls of his bedroom Mark like most teenagers was a big Beetle fan growing up he attended Columbia High School in
decanter Georgia and at the young age of 14 he was using drugs and skipping classes at school there's actually some
recordings of Mark playing guitar and singing Beetle songs in 1971 Chapman became a born again
Christian this like several other influences in Chapman's life will go beyond that of a personal interest or
even the level of faith in this situation Chapman would develop several obsessions throughout the course of his
life and then one has to wonder perhaps was the Beatles one of his first obsessions M all right on to the next
Obsession if you will here Captain a friend recommended to mark that he read JD salinger's book The Catcher in the Ry
this is a pretty famous book for our younger audience who might not be aware of this what I'm going to call a rare
situation this is a book that has both been banned from some school libraries as well as assigned reading in other
schools right the novel eventually took on a great personal significance for Mark David Chapman to the extent that he
reportedly wished to model his life after the book's protagonist Holden colfield I think that is putting it
lightly other sources say that he believed at some point or during portions of his life that he was Holden
colfield his early adult life was filled with depression he moved several times and each time this was hundreds of miles
away from the last place where he lived he went from Georgia to Chicago and back
to Georgia again he started having suicidal thoughts and began to feel like a failure he dropped out of college
after just one semester he then worked as a security guard this was an armed security position so he had to learn how
to use and operate a firearm with a decent amount of success before this there was no indication that Mark had
any experience with guns to qualify for the position Mark needed to score at least 50 points on his security and
Firearms exam Mark scored an 88 this after taking a weeklong training course well a little bit before this and and
during this time Mark was always working with children I worked at camps uh worked with a group that had um that
Vietnam refugees where he worked with the children but he would reference a lot that he even though he's getting
older he wasn't growing up he wasn't going to become a grownup he was still going to have the innocence of a child
uh and that would make him closer to the character Holden yeah there were times especially the last week or so that he
worked at one camp in particular where people would later say that he just talked constantly about the book The
Catcher in the Rye in 1977 Chapman moved to Hawaii now we have to understand that this
guy he is slowly spiraling out of control if he ever was in control to begin with he is not in my opinion
moving to Hawaii so much so with a job lined up or a place to live or really even any plan at all this to me Captain
simply looks like a guy who is running away well okay there's there's a story from one of the campers saying that he
was just this lovable guy they I think they called him like Nemo for a while and then they'd call him the pi Piper
and they had all these different names for him and and supposedly he was just excellent with children mhm but then
something happened where the the kids noticed it more than the parents that there was like this shift and there was
this girl that was really close to him and and she's on record as saying that he came to visit her and their parents
were like hey go give him a hug and she's like no there's something different about him so this going to
Hawaii again it's reported multiple ways some people say he went there with no plan I think he's come out and said well
I went there with the plan of I'm going to go there uh take the money I have gamble it away and if I don't win then
I'm just going to kill myself yeah it looks like when he first gets to Hawaii that he's living in a hotel off of his
meager savings that he had at the time and he is falling deeper and deeper into depression and became suicidal Chapman
eventually attempted suicide by connecting a hose to his car's exhaust pipe you know start up the car roll up
the windows and attempting to kill himself by way of carbon monoxide exfix but the hose melted and the
attempt failed right well and I also believe a fisherman came up and knocked on his window what happens here Captain
is this is probably the first thing that the first time that I could see where somebody recognizes that there is
something not right with this young man right and a psychiatrist admitted Chapman to I believe the name was Castle
Memorial Hospital this for his clinical depression he didn't stay very long there now in
1978 Mark Chapman went on a six week trip around the world this vacation was partly inspired by the film Around the
World in 80 Days he then began a relationship with his travel agent this is a Japanese American woman named
Gloria Abe who he married in June of 1979 I also believe at this time he was actually working at the hospital yeah
that's absolutely right he went back to work in the hospital at this time though
and this is one thing that I always fear with people who suffer from depr people that especially to this level to
the point of where this guy is suicidal right and I mean from a young age he's imagining things that aren't real he's
living in a different reality he takes on not just this Hospital job but even shortly after the hospital job he starts
working jobs that are very isolated he's a Solitary Man solitary position working
by himself this is not the camp where he's you know in Chicago playing guitar and singing songs for kids and and as
you said he was loved by the kids that that he counseled at the camp he was well-liked by his co-workers he thrived
in that situation I think what we have here is in late 1979 he goes on to work this job at the
hospital well that sounds like he's going to be working around a bunch of people no he worked as a printer off in
a space by himself for large parts of large portions of his shifts right and then he gets into some kind of verbal
altercation on a couple of occasions with different co-workers this leads to him being fired it sounds like they even
took him back briefly he quits he goes on then to take another security job this time it's a night security job so
he's by himself even more at this time so well let's be clear when he marries this girl she thinks oh this guy is
amazing they get married quickly he's physically abusive towards her we get married and he's amazing and then boom
he's not amazing anymore yeah and she was she really was like this is my worst nightmare because he she claims that he
showed no signs of being abusive towards her or or really towards anybody else other than maybe himself until they got
married yeah this is where it's really like after the the wedding as soon as these two are married you
would think you would hope that that relationship that this man who thinks of himself as a failure who thinks of
himself as a loner who finally has someone who accepts him for who he is maybe this would be the jumping off
point that he needs to getting some help to feeling loved yeah and I think he had
some friends or at least some acquaintances that were worried about him but more worried about his
depression not not worried that he'd hurt somebody else cuz he did seem like a a kind person and I think also if you
know somebody for a little bit of a time you go what did you used to do well I worked with children for years and I I
worked with uh Vietnam refugees and I and I um you know counseled kids at at camps I mean they all everybody that
knew him said he had a very gentle disposition so after the marriage he starts working these isolated solitary
jobs he's having a hard time holding down a job he begins drinking heavily and this further develops his depression
as well as some of his obsessions and these major obsessions at this time in his life include his favorite book The
Catcher in the Ry and John Lennon in September of 1980 he wrote a letter to a friend which
stated quote I'm going nuts he signed the letter The Catcher in the r in October of
1980 Mark David Chapman quits his job and on his final shift at that job he signs out on his time card with the name
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[Music] 2023 for I guess the first few weeks I was just in a dream kind of thing I mean
it just didn't seem real you know as reality sunk in it left Gloria wondering what happened to the life she had
dreamed of when she first met Mark David Chapman in 1978 she saw him as a sort of a night
and shining armor she did she did Jim Gaines is one of the only reporters to have interviewed Gloria
Chapman he says she spoke lovingly about her engagement they were walking on the
beach and Mark said to Gloria would you marry me and she was just ecstatic and she described it to me as
the happiest day of her life um Mark never did perhaps that was a glimpse into the
misery and she says abuse that soon followed I don't remember what I said but I must said something sarcastic or
something and it hit me real hard like on my ear and it really kind of sent me and you know my ears are Ming and stuff
MH I had to sit down so bad glorious naive dreams of Happily Ever After vanished all
together the only place you could go for privacy was in the bathroom I just go in
there lock the door and just cry you know and just say you know I can't take this you know how long am we going to be
like this you knowable why do you do you think she stayed with him all these years she was
faithful it was a virtue you obeyed virtues she was trying to be a good wife in an impossible
situation in October of 1980 Mark David Chapman went to New York City with the intention of killing John Lennon during
this trip Chapman was inspired by the film Ordinary People to stop his plans to which he then went to Atlanta and
then he went back to Hawaii his movements I'm not going to lie to you Captain are a little confusing to me
during this period because we have him moving around quite a bit and we he's kind of coming in and out of the life of
his wife during this time mind you when he is around her he's talking gibberish and nonsense to her he's saying things
that just seem well they seem nuts to the point where she's saying you've got to get some help Chapman would later say
that he told his wife he intended to kill John Lennon he says he went so far as to show her the gun and the
ammunition right he also says that he was again stopped from time to time by what he would call signs one of these
signs was that he said that he saw on the TV people talking about how one should not kill if you believe in God if
you follow God you should not kill you should not harm other people he also said another sign was that he was that
his wife had placed a sign on a wall in where they lived in their home that said
Thou shalt not kill you typically see this when people who have completely gone off the rails they are look to do
something horrible it's weird though Captain because as far gone as I think Mark
David Chapman was at this point he seems to be fully aware of what he is intending to do is a very bad and
harmful thing yeah I think it's interesting that his movement in New York the first time we don't know
exactly where he went what he did we don't know exactly what happened when he went back to Atlanta we don't know
exactly what he did did when he went back to Hawaii right and but he keeps saying he was looking for signs he was
looking for something to stop him from doing what he intended to Doh this would end up with him traveling
back to New York City arriving on December 6th 1980 but New York's going to be an interesting place because if
you read the book Catcher And The Ry it ends in New York so not only does he have a destination on who he wants to
kill he has a destination spot which just happens to be the same spot that that his victim lives in it seems like
he was intending to live out portions of that book and with him he has a list a list of people that uh I'm assuming it's
a hit list people that he wanted to kill yeah his whole thought was that because
of the book the book is telling people look people are phony and that that Holden is not phony and so you if you
want to be so basically he wants to kill these people that are phon phony to basically have them be um I guess um a
warning to others like this is what happens to you if you're phony and Chapman he basically
as we said earlier spent a about 3 days out front of the Dakota I best I guess the best word for
it is stalking John Lennon waiting to see John Lennon and he would meet and talk with
other people who were hoping to catch a glimpse of the Star as well maybe get an
autograph as well he would talk and chat with some of these other people while he
was waiting but it wasn't until Monday on December 8th when he would actually get to see John Lennon yeah what's so
crazy is he was actually going through the book and seeing what Holden did and he was basically doing the same thing
all Holden went here so now I got to go here and one of the things was um he he went to Central Park to ask cab drivers
about the birds because it's something that Holden did in the book he also got um hired a sex worker to go to his his
hotel and and in the book Holden doesn't have sex with the sex worker so that's the same thing that Mark David Chapman
did and then he he paid the sex worker double it just it's just very strange he was he was almost following this like
blueprint that the book laid out for him also in that list that you were talking
about earlier again it's one of those things where people say there's 50 names on it
and people speculate who was on it but it seems like the main people were John lennin uh Johnny Carson Ronald Reagan
and Paul McCartney yeah that list is a little The Hit List let's call it is a little
difficult because this is a case and we say case but really there's this whole story that and so little of it involves
the actual murder of John lennen it's been well documented John Lennon's life of 40 years uh The Beatles their their
career their success all well documented Mark David Chapman he is well documented
because he's the man that's known to be the guy that killed one of the most famous musicians of all time right and
so where we talk about list you know I see I I believe David Bowie said that hey I was next on that list I was second
on the list and what we have here is the reaction is is bizarre because it's unlike most of the crimes and most of
the murders that we have covered here in the garage be it if they're solved or unsolved Mark David Chapman after he
carried out his I'm using air quotes here Mission he puts down the gun puts down
his coat surrenders to the police starts thumbing through his book of The Catcher
in the Ry and as you just pointed out and I think the best way to say it and to describe his time in New York is
through Chapman's own words where he said you know I was living through the pages of The Catcher in the Ry right I
was living the book the book was living through me during that time one story I want to go back to the
David Bowie story real quick here when in reference to The Hit List it's a very interesting story because David Bowie
said he was second on the list and that he was attending a Broadway production of the Elephant Man this would be the
day after lenen was killed right Bowie believes well he part of this he probably knows but Bowie his
that John and Yoko were going to sit with him in the front row that night at the at the Elephant Man right and that
Mark Chapman had managed to buy a ticket to sit next to all three of them so picture four seats here David
Bowie says that night the night after John lennin was killed there were three empty seats in the front row next to me
and he believes that it was going to be John Lenin Yoko Ono and Mark David Chapman who were to occupy those seats
that might have gave Chapman the opportunity to kill all three of these people now I believe it has been stated
in at certain places that that Chapman chose Lenin other over his other targets out of convenience
that he was easier to get to possibly and that may be the truth but most of what I could find and it's my own
personal belief I think John lennin was at the top of his list well yeah first of all we we know for a fact that he had
a a little bit of obsession with them when he was younger that's why he learned how to play guitar we have
evidence of him singing Beetles songs we have evidence that he had the Beatles haircut for a while we have his wife
saying that he talked about killing John lennin we have him signing out from work
as John lennin um we also have friends of his or acquaintances of his saying you know
every now and then he would talk bad about people and he talked bad about John Lennon called him a phony all the
time saying that he could he could do more that he's you know so rich but he could give to these um Charities and
he's not doing enough well and he was verbally angry many years after the fact about Lenin's more popular than Jesus
comments from back in 1966 right he had said time and time again to several people can you believe
that that man actually said that right what gives him the right that he that he believes he's bigger or more popular
than Jesus yeah and I think you know the big why why all this stuff happened I I
think there's multiple reasons and I think Mark had many reasons in his head and I
think like you said access but again there's no proof that he would have murdered anybody else I mean he
killed John and he had just the same amount of opportunity to kill Yoko if he wanted to and he and he chose not to
correct and he chose not to flee the area he totally could have got away I mean New
York uh he's not from there right nobody would have a clue who who this guy was you shoot John Lennon and you
take off down the street and if you can get away because you're on foot if nobody stops you or people are afraid to
stop you cuz you have a gun he could have got away and flew back to Hawaii before they even knew who it who it was
well and we talked earlier about Mark Chapman looking for signs looking for something to to stop him he said that on
this second trip back to New York City that he believed he couldn't kill lenen on his own he didn't have the strength
to do it so he says that he invoked the spirit of the devil and he did what he believed were devil worshiping
ceremonies by himself trying to ask the devil to help him kill John Lenin yeah and looking for signs he says when he
finally met lennen lennen gives him the autograph he's waiting around during that day on the eth he met two other
people and had conversations with them one of them was a man by the name of Paul GES Paul GES was somebody who
frequently would stand outside of the Dakota hoping to snap a photo of John lennin he even had his picture taken
with John lennin in November and he is there talking with Chapman Chapman he was standing next to Chapman when
Chapman got the autograph on the cover of the Double Fantasy album he was the guy that snapped the photo of Lenin
signing the autograph where you can see Chapman over Lennon's left shoulder yeah
Chapman said years later that he told this man that he met Paul GES hey he's got a come back sometime now mind you
after the autograph Lennon takes off in his his limo and he says hey he's got to
come back sometime you should wait around and get your album autographed right they waited around for a little
bit of time and at some point Paul says you know I waited long enough I'm going to I'm just going to head home I'll get
it another day let's keep that in mind and then take it a step further Chapman said that
he met a woman outside of the Dakota that day and he had asked her out on a date well I I actually think that she
was there CU like we said Mark David Chapman were was outside the Dakota multiple days I think they actually met
the day before and then he saw her again the day of and they started kind of talking about like oh well we we should
go grab something to eat or something yeah he says that he asked her out on a date to which she said no or said she
wasn't going to go for what ever reason Chapman says that had either of those interactions with either of those
individuals worked out differently he probably wouldn't have killed he would not have killed John Lenin on December
8th 1980 he said but he was not never going to stop I don't he said if Paul would have stuck around to get the
autograph if Paul would have been there when Lenin came back he wouldn't have shot him he also said if he would have
gone out on the date he would have left before Lenin would had returned and he would not have had the opportunity to
shoot him on the eighth but you're exactly right he said those two individuals should not feel bad because
I would have then just killed Jon the next day yeah or some other time I mean like you said he was in New York for a
period Then he left New York and then he just kept making these trips and he was
going to eventually find him somewhere and if it wasn't John I believe he would have killed somebody else on that list
like you said if he would have got to New York and somebody said oh well you know uh you know John's back in England
you know John Lennon's back in England for a couple months he might have went just to the next person on the list I
think he had this like determination he had this this like you said how he would create fake
characters that he felt like if he did this that he he was accomplishing something well of course John Lennon's
one of the most famous people in the world if he kills that person he will obtain a certain level of that person's
Fame right at least that's what he believed and unfortunately to this day 40 years later we all know his name
because of his actions but it's so weird to me because the whole idea is like oh
well John Lennon's phony and and one could make that argument right alongside Mark David Chapman yes here's this guy
that talked about peace and and love and all this stuff but was abusive towards his first wife maybe abusive towards his
his oldest son right uh a guy that had some infidelity issues possibly his wife had
some infidelity issues and they're talking about you know uh love is the answer and and all you need is love and
and and no war and all these things and and having these um publicity stunts that yes they were I guess charitable
but was it also just to make Lenin a bigger star hey we got married we're going to go on honeymoon and we know
that the paparazzi is going to be there so we do a bed end but isn't that just doing a whole week
of drawing attention to yourself yes you have a cause peace not war but I think those are the things that Mark found
phony you know you didn't have you don't have to do a protest that way to bring upon the attention to
yourself but at the same time you you sit there and go okay well I could see why somebody would go look at this giant
icon preaching on the the stuff but he's preaching it to everybody but not living
it himself and at times is a is a junkie but then the whole message is look who it's coming from Mark David
Chapman that believes he is a character in a book you can't even live your own life you're such a
phony that you don't even have an identity until you take on ident identity from a book
you think you're so righteous but then you're abusive to your wife you you're he's a giant phony does
does that make any sense oh 100% I mean I I it's without hesitation that I say the guy certainly needed help and
probably needed help from a very young age and I don't think that we can sit here and try to pick apart and
rationalize the decision that he made made to kill John lennin or fully understand what his his real intentions
were or the the motive behind any of it because I don't know that Mark David Chapman fully understands it himself and
I think you're exactly right I think that at the most simple level that we can put this is that Mark Chapman was
very much a nobody he was a failure John lennin was the complete opposite of that
he was extremely successful extremely famous and wellik he was everything that Mark David
Chapman was not everything that Chapman wanted to be and somehow in some weird Twisted way I think Chapman believed
that he could be more lenon like if he killed John Lennon yeah possibly but I I do see a a a side
where you know he he did drugs John did drugs they're both abusive people I think there was a part of him that was
like look how easy it's for him for this icon because he was part of the Beatles
he almost like John wasn't punished for it but I was and he talks a lot about how he was
going down he was falling off the cliff falling deep deeper and deeper uh and but again we you know there's plenty of
interviews with Mark David Chapman his story constantly changes he constantly talks about these different signs he
saw um or the signs he did not receive I mean he spent most of the evening of the
eth struggling inside of his own mind this is according to Chapman trying to decide on well do I get the next cab out
of here and go home or or do I stick around and shoot and kill John Lennon yeah to which he says there were no
signs to tell me to stop there was no signs that you know this man that I met Paul he left well that's a sign to keep
going this woman that I asked out she didn't go out with me that's a sign to stay here and keep going and then when
the limo pulls up and Yoko and John get out and John is walking toward him Chapman starts Hearing in his head do it
do it now do it do it now do it now and then he pulls the gun he takes the combat stance and he fires five shots in
the direction of John Lennon and and he becomes the biggest piece of [ __ ] in history well we got to put this guy
behind bars here still Captain so what we have here is Mark Chapman he is going to is the right to attorney he has a
right to a trial in February of 1981 he he sends a handwritten statement to the New York Times telling everyone
to read The Catcher in the Ry calling it an extraordinary book that holds many answers he would not be sentenced
until 1981 in August late August and he and he's evaluated for 6 months prior to
his trial this is going to be with over a dozen different psychiatrists Chapman was charged with second deegree
murder originally his attorneys told him to plead not guilty by reason of insanity well after a bunch of back and
forth what ends up happening is Chapman decides of his own free will to to declare himself competent and he plad
guilty to the murder of John lennin yeah and he's been sentenced to 20 years which has already passed obviously mhm
but uh I know Yoko and Shawn show up at every Pro hearing and I think they did they tack on more time because he had a
list because I don't think the charge was as simple as just he was charged with the killing of John lennin I think
he was also possibly charged with something maybe they dismissed that uh but he was
I thought he was charged with something because he had that that hit list well some people find it interesting that his
wife was never charged with anything going off of the belief that Chapman did as he said tell his wife he intended to
kill John lennen showed her the gun showed her the ammunition right she knew he had already gone to New York once
before her simple answer is that the guy said a lot of things and did very little
and she did she did suggest to him many times you need to get help even scheduling him to go and talk with
people however he never would show up for the actual appointments right that I mean I think it's just a very difficult
situation mental health needs to be talked about more and more and we need to be way more open about it not just
because these individuals could hurt themselves but because they hurt others how many cases now have we seen you know
look at Coline those guys were depressed look at this case this guy has some depression issues going on he has
probably some psychosis issues going on as well and if people were more willing to say hey look I'm going to have to
call his doctor myself and say hey there's something wrong with him and these are the things he's saying and you
have to be able to report that stuff uh it would save lives yeah and I don't need a degree on
my wall to tell you that this guy had some mental issues I mean it's it's obvious to us all he had depression
issues and I don't think that that is the extent of it as you said Captain he gets 20 years in prison uh he is
required to have a parole hearing every two years from that year uh once he's eligible so in 2000 he had his first
parole hearing and he has had 11 of them since and every single time has been denied
parole it looks like per some of his statements at these parole hearings that he I I don't want to comment to his
state of mind because I don't think that I'm qualified to do that however it looks like at times throughout the years
he's understood the severity of his crime and he's also stated things like this was premeditated murder this was
something that was selfish and evil that I did and in fact this year at the age of
65 he was denied parole once again for the 11th time Mark David Chapman's 12th parole hearing is scheduled for August
of 2022 well one of the things that yoka always says is that she fears not only just for her she fears not only for her
family but the safety of Mark David because how many cuz he has a Target on his back
right when he gets out well that's one reason that they moved him from the medical facility where they first kept
him to evaluate him for months and months before his trial they had to move him from there because they didn't
believe they could keep him safe so they had to take him to the prison to wait for his trial where they knew that they
could keep him safe so I think you're exactly right this guy would have a Target on his back regardless of where
he is I'm surprised that he survived this long in prison but then I also have to keep in mind if you idolize John
lenen and you want to try to be more like his he was later in life then you are an advocate for peace and
therefore going out with a violent act on Mark David Chapman would go against what those beliefs were we don't have a
recommended reading this week Captain there's so many things out there so many directions to point someone if they want
more information on this case or the life of John Lennon or the Beatles right and there's multiple documentaries
there's multiple movies made about uh the killing of John Lennon one piece of material in particular that I will
suggest to everyone out there is the December 1992 Larry King interview with Mark
David Chapman this was on the Larry King live program I found this to be a fascinating interview I've really
enjoyed watching Mark talk about the crimes talk about his life the events leading up to that I don't know how much
of it was as you would say hogwash or Flim Flam is he giving us a different version because he's able to tell the
story 12 years later he does at times also present himself as a victim I have a hard time seeing him as a victim
knowing what he did knowing that he walked around ready to murder individuals for whatever reason it was
right but I found it to be a fascinating interview and Larry King of course one of the best interviewers of all time so
I recommend the 1992 interview with Mark David Chapman and if you get a chance he
also had some corresponding uh letters with the arresting officer and I think there was
three or four letters those were auction off but that kind of gives an insight and and what I would say about this case
more so than other cases is there's a lot of details there's a lot of possible answers of why or possible details but
because the person killed was such an icon I think there are so many stories that are surrounding this case that are
possibly just not factually true but I'll place that Larry King and Mark David Chapman interview on our website
at true Crim garage.com according to Keith Greenberg's book December 8 1980 the day John Lenin died Mark David
Chapman was contemplating the possibilities of acquiring a nuclear device and blowing up a small City then
he rised his plan he could hurt a lot more people by murdering someone whom Untold Millions saw as an idol a voice
and a role model today Mark David Chapman is ateka State prisoner 818 2860 he is up for parole but it's
probably for the betterment and the safety of our society that he remains a prisoner for the rest of his days John
lennin was not a perfect man we all know that in fact John lennin said himself that he was a flawed individual he was
trying to become a better man a better father a better husband he was writing music to inspire everybody else to
evolve and to become better people as well and I think that it was Joel seagull who summed it up best in
reference to the death of John lennin he said quote it's because he dreamed so beautifully that we hurt so
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Brief Summary

The episode details John Lennon's assassination by Mark David Chapman and explores Chapman's troubled background and motivations.

Key points

John Lennon Assassinated. John Lennon was pronounced dead after being shot by Mark David Chapman.
Mark David Chapman's Obsession. Chapman was obsessed with John Lennon and the book 'The Catcher in the Rye'.
Gloria's Naive Dreams. Gloria Chapman reflects on her early hopes for her marriage to Mark.
Mark David Chapman's Obsession. Chapman mirrored Holden Caulfield's journey from 'The Catcher in the Rye'.
The Hit List. Chapman had a list of targets, with Lennon at the top.
Chapman's Mental Struggles. Chapman struggled with his decision to murder Lennon, citing no signs to stop.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

John loved and prayed for the human race, please do the same for him.

David Gaffin reads Yoko's statement after Lennon's death.

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Tension

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