Episode 784: The Watts Family Murders (Part 2) | Forensic Files

Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this this is morbid again. We got to tell you guys. Oh my god,
guys. before we get into this absolute horror. And I know it's horror because I've done this once before. So yesterday
we recorded a over 2 and 1/2 hour episode. >> Almost 3 hours. >> We spent almost 3 hours recording. I
went to export the file and something happened where it was just a s not even a silent. You can hear me release the
record button. sort of goes and then the rest is just complete silence. We tried
for hours last night to get this thing back. We got a micro SD card reader to plug into the computer cuz we're trying
to recover lost files off of it. >> Randomly, Drew had a micro SD reader. >> I called him to see if our computer had
like a space and he's like, "Oh, I have one. I'm on my way." I was like, "Thank goodness."
>> What? >> But then that didn't work. It was hours last night. After 3 hours of recording,
we had we had like hours of trying to do this cuz we were just This is a I'm I'm
still so stressed about this because I'm like, "This episode is [ __ ] brutal. It's a brutal episode.
>> This is an awful case. >> In the first one, I cried four times during the recording in the first one.
That's how brutal this episode is. So, be I don't go into graphic detail about anything, but just the it's the whole
overarching thing of this cuz we're obviously going to get into what happened, how this ended,
>> his >> complete nonchalant demeanor about the whole thing. >> Yep. >> And so, it was like energy-wise it was
very taxing mentally to go through it because >> it's just so heavy. >> And then to have that for three hours,
which like I realize like, you know, >> life could be worse. >> Life could be much worse. just listen to
the episode. But it's so shitty when you do something like that for 3 hours, which I know other people understand,
and then to have it just gone. >> Like we installed several different programs on my computer last night.
>> Today, guys, >> cuz yesterday I said I after we went through the whole thing, I was like, we
got to walk away. >> We got to walk away cuz one, I can't do this episode again right now. I don't
have it in me. No. >> Like I can't just sit here and go through the motions in this episode. but
it's too important and it's too heavy. And so we were like, "Okay, we'll do it tomorrow. Let's just come back
tomorrow." So today we come back. And then I was like, "Let's just try one more thing. Just one more thing cuz I'm
just not willing to say it was gone." And we we ended up coding. We learned to code.
>> Coding. We coded in terminal. >> We don't even know what the [ __ ] that means.
>> I didn't even know terminal was part of a computer. >> She's like, "Type back slashback slash
f. I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night f >> and we're putting all these commands in
and then finally at the end of everything we get this recovery file on the desktop.
>> All of a sudden it populates. >> It says recovered.wave and we >> we held hands. We don't even like we
don't hug. We're not the only time we ever give each other a hug is if one of us is getting on a plane for some reason
or is upset obviously. I literally go, "Hold my hand." >> And we just held hands and we opened it
and up popped a flat line again and I fell to the floor. >> She did. I can I can confirm she fell to
the floor >> cuz we just tried. So it's one of those things where you're just like every time
you try something you're like this is it. This is the one. >> Oh my god. We are now recording on
several different >> Yeah. This one's not. I am currently monitoring the waveforms as this is
>> going because also this also happened when it was just us recording with no producer or anybody in the room. So that
>> there's that. >> Yep. >> So now we're staring at that wave file ourselves across the room. We have the
monitor. >> Literally it's Mother's Day weekend and Elena's like we'll just do it on Monday.
I'm like, "But I don't want you to have to worry all day Sunday." >> Because that after that last recording,
I said, "I am so glad to have Chris Watts out of my psyche." Like, I need to walk away from this.
>> I need to get this out of my It's going to take me a minute to get away from this. Like, when I tell you I cried four
times during the recording, I literally cried four times during the had to stop and like
>> just because it's all so heavy. >> It's too much. And so I was like, I can't wait to just put this out, put the
good the information we need to put out, and then just clear it out of my brain because it's really bothering me. I am
setting a timer right now for an hour and we're going to pause an hour into this and just make sure everything
sounds good. It's looking good, but I just want to make sure. So, we're starting timer right now.
>> Yeah. So, there's there's that. So, that's that's where we are. >> All right. So, you haven't heard part
two yet, listener? No, you haven't. And >> just know that it's really [ __ ] heavy
in this guy. It's >> heavy. >> I said I said so many things yesterday that maybe there's a reason why we
weren't supposed to. >> Maybe we went too >> maybe we went too hard at him or >> I don't think we can go too hard at him.
>> I don't think you can. >> Um but maybe I don't know. Maybe we said something that the universe was like, I
don't know. >> You don't want that out there. >> Like maybe you just don't want that kind
of vibe out there. I don't know. >> I I mean I >> Things happen for a reason. So
>> I maintain that he's a useless bag of [ __ ] But >> I do too. I'll probably say all the same
things. >> I'm I was going to say I'm probably going to say the same thing. Uh I think
maybe I was, you know, trust me, we're going to get into it. Don't worry. I'm just I'm stressed. Uh maybe it was just
like yesterday I was a little like >> nudgy. >> I felt a little nudgy. You know,
sometimes you just feel a little nudgy. There's a lot happening and maybe that's
what it was. It was I was too nudgy. So maybe I was getting a little too >> wasn't the right energy.
>> Yeah, maybe that's what it I'm going to go with it. Today we had a nice little
morning together. Yep. We had we had dance class in the morning. Not us, our children,
>> Elena's kids dance class, >> but yeah. So, we tried new drinks this morning. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, a blue J just flew by. >> Oh, that's a sign. >> I love blue J. And that correlates to my
fun fact later that I've already found. >> Oh, [ __ ] Cuz I already said it. >> Oh, that's a beautiful one.
>> Yeah, >> we also had a crow fly by and that's good luck. So, there's those are like
our sign. >> So, there's that. And before I begin this whole thing, I I went back and I
watched like a lot of the body cam footage from different angles, different officers. There's a lot out there. So, I
think like honestly one of the reasons like the obviously the subject matter of this case will
just shred you into pieces. But I think this is like the subject matter and also the
fact that we can see so much of the timeline in real time through body cam and all that
>> and not only so much of the timeline but so much of the nonchalants. >> That's what it is. It's like what he was
doing while this was going on. What he was acting like while this was happening.
>> Yep. Being able to watch a family annihilator while before he gets caught like in the
aftermath of >> pretending that his family is missing. >> Yeah. >> Is something that I I mean I don't know
if we have ever been able to see before. This is the first one that I know of. >> I think it's one of very few
>> or the one that has the most that we can see >> footage. Yeah. >> Because again those discovery documents
are just rife and horrifying. They really I'd like to say right now I think I said in the last one like they're out
there. You can see them and they are. But I'd love to caution you. >> Yeah. >> That they do include a lot of detail.
There's autopsy reports. >> It's a lot and it'll like really weigh heavily on you. So like I care about you
guys >> and I don't want everybody spiraling into like a crisis here because like
looking at those will [ __ ] you up. They just will. Um so just do that at your own risk.
>> I think you're honestly Since I've heard this, I think you told us everything
that that people really need to know. >> Yeah, I think I'm giving you the the facts, but there's more detail in there
that I just don't think needs to be gone over because it's not it's too much. It
really is. >> Um, but also when I was watching body cam footage, cuz again, all the
different officers have them, so you get the different angles. You get to see the
other officers reactions to his his answers or him just talking talking and how he's acting. And it's you can see
how they're all looking at each other like they knew they knew this guy was >> nefarious from the get- go, which
obviously they're trained to do, but he did himself no favors. >> Well, I was saying it too when we were
talking about it just like amongst ourselves. >> These officers probably have partners of
their own, kids of their own, and they're looking at this guy and they're like, "You're not acting right." Like
that's they know how they would react in a situation like that. At least they can
kind of guess, you Now, what's funny that you say that is there's actually an instance where an officer, Officer
Perez, I believe it is, >> tries to empathize with him because he connects it to himself and his own
person that he is in charge of >> and what he gets out of it >> shows him everything he needs to know.
>> Yeah. Um, so while I was looking at the body cam footage of, you know, them going in the house right after she was
reported missing, uh, I ran across this account and, um, I don't know if they still do videos like this anymore. They
did, they have uploaded a couple of about this case actually recently of Fel Kismet. And so I don't know if they're
still doing it like fulltime or whatever, but I wanted to shout them out because their commentary, they go
through the body cam footage like frame by frame >> and just kind of give their thoughts on
it. They point out things and I thought they were really insightful. I thought their what they were saying like their
feelings about it matched mine so well that you feel very validated while watching it cuz you're like, "Yeah, [ __ ]
this guy." >> And they have they have such a good like banter together. >> Yeah. I think they're like best friends.
Their names are Denty and Shaz. So, it's D E N T Y and S H A Z. Uh, again, I don't know if they're doing this
full-time anymore, so I don't know like what. But I recommend you go like take a
peek at what they have to say because I think they were just like really great to listen to about this. Oh, yeah.
>> And they have great accents. >> I love that. >> They just seem like people you want to
hang around with and like talk through these theories and things with. >> Yeah. >> So, like shout out to Denty and Chaz.
>> Shout out >> for being a good channel. And I think they're on like Instagram and YouTube
and other places. Um, so let's begin. that uh one thing I found when I went back because I went back into the
discovery documents and like you know I think I went through 1,500 of the 1900 documents. It's
>> insanity >> and the only ones that I didn't go through were like a giant list of like
there were things like you know evidence lists and stuff that I just >> like I had already seen certain pieces
of it. >> Well, when there's so many pages like that, some of it is just like >> Yeah, there's a lot of handwritten notes
that you can't really decipher a lot. I did see one handwritten thing that I thought was very interesting. Uh, and I
looked around and I saw this person has never come forward with what who they are. Uh, which was kind of like a good
thing I think at the time. I was like impressed by it. Um, this psychic medium from Massachusetts from our town wrote
called the police while they were missing. They had not even been like none of this had come out. They didn't
know what happened to them. Nothing. and told the police the most detailed version of events that
they believed happened and it matches up almost exactly >> really >> like she they say that like you know
they're going to be found I think they said like underwater or in liquid >> which is like how what did you know that
like you didn't tell me this yesterday of death they knew the time period they I mean they just went they really like
it was really shocking how accurate it was. And it's in the docu in the discovery documents. It's like a yellow
piece of paper. >> It's the one of the only pieces of paper that is handwritten that is legible to
read in the document. >> Shout out to whoever transcribed that note. >> Yeah, it definitely was legible. And
it's but it's a psychic medium from Massachusetts who wanted to remain anonymous.
>> Interesting. >> Which I thought was interesting cuz usually >> that's not always the case.
>> To me, if they're [ __ ] then they want to slap their name on it. But if they're not, then they're just like, I
want to give you this information cuz this is what I got. do with it what you will
>> because they're not getting anything out of that. They're just along >> I had like I had a notion. I was like I
wonder if it's this person but I won't say who it is cuz obviously they wanted I
>> but there's only like you know it's Massachusetts. >> I have my own notion too.
>> But that was interesting. And then another thing I saw which was um horrifying cuz you know things are going
to get really horrifying from here on out. Um, while Shannan was in North Carolina on that fiveweek vacation, she
ended up getting very ill, like very ill, vomiting, like really sick. And it was when Chris had come to visit. So
Chris after the 5 weeks or like during the 5 weeks at some point at the end had come to stay with them for a few days
and then come home. >> It was when he got there that she got very ill. >> So that's suspect.
>> And remember, he had flipped a switch. He had flipped a switch. Everyone had said that they were all over each other
before he left and that it was those five weeks alone without his wife and children that he suddenly decided that
that was the life he wanted. And he flipped. He took the mask off. It didn't slip. It didn't fall down. He took it
off and he launched it into the ocean. It was gone cuz he was a totally different human,
>> right? >> Totally different man. Everyone around him, everyone around Shannan said they
had no idea what happened. That has to be like just such a scary thing to experience that in and of itself before
you even get to the horrific rest of this case, the end of it. That >> imagine your like that is your friend
and all of a sudden this man that you've known her husband for years and years and years. You know him as one thing and
now he's the complete opposite. That's >> while she's newly pregnant. >> Yeah. And has two young kids. Like I
would be terrified. >> And I think they were and so fast. Well, and then all of a sudden now she's he
showed up. Well, or not even. I'm saying like while she's in North Carolina, he showed up and she's violently ill
suddenly. >> Yeah. And >> when she's been fine, >> everyone thought it was strange. And one
of the things that is in there that her family said, like witnesses said, she said was that while she was sick,
usually because everybody did describe him as this, usually he was pretty doting and pretty like he he was caring
for. >> Yeah. His mom said like >> Yeah, >> that kind of bothered her. >> Oh yeah, his mom it pissed her off. He
was soing. >> Um, but even like her mother was like, "Yeah, he was normally like very
attentive and like took care of her >> like a husband, >> like you know, partner."
>> That's how he's always been. And like that's how her friends saw him too. Like
and that's how she saw him. >> And suddenly she's 15 weeks pregnant and violently ill. And he's and she wrote in
a text message that he just existed while she was like that. He he didn't seem to care. And for someone to be
because John, like just using this as a personal example, like John is a very attentive husband. Like I can tell you
he is if I'm sick, he's going to take care of me. It's not going to be just go upstairs and go lay down. He's going to
take care of me. >> Yeah. He's going to order. He's going to make sure you're taking the toast. He's
going to like do all the things. Like he's a great >> He's going to take the girls out of the
house so you can get some quiet. He's going to come back with like something for you to eat.
>> Exactly. like he's that kind of husband, >> right? >> If I got sick one day and he suddenly
just didn't give a [ __ ] >> just existed, >> that would throw me for such a [ __ ]
loop. >> And it would especially if pregnant when your husband or your partner is a
million times more >> Yeah. >> attentive. >> Exactly. >> Like that they wouldn't just stop all of
a sudden. If I got violently ill while pregnant, which like I was very lucky that I didn't have like any morning
sickness while pregnant, I was not violently ill all the time. >> Hopefully that runs in our family when
my time. >> I feel very lucky that way cuz I I'm sure people listening are like, "Bitch,
like cuz I know, trust me." Especially with twins, I should have probably gotten very sick, but I luckily didn't.
But if I did and he just didn't care, I would feel so and this is what bothers me. Like I would feel so alone. Well, we
were saying that yesterday. Like the thing that so much of this case breaks my heart, but one of the biggest things
that breaks my heart is like one they were arguing at the end of of their of Shenan and the kids lives suspecting
that he was cheating. >> She's suspecting that he's cheating. So that's a nightmare. They're fighting all
the time. And it's not only a nightmare for her, it's a nightmare for the kids because they're hearing their parents
>> of course >> fight all the time when it doesn't really seem like they did fight all that
often beforehand. >> So it's sudden. >> So it's like this weird change up that everybody's in this like turmoil and
tension >> at the end of their life. Like that's cuz I was saying this earlier when we
talked about this yesterday that I was thinking about it earlier yesterday and I was like you know we as humans at the
end of someone's life if we're lucky enough to know that someone's at the end of their life
>> are across the board we try to make that person comfortable >> and happy and we try to make those last
moments the most peaceful lovely special moments ever. Like we even do that for dogs.
>> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like if we know that this is it, we try to give them a
last like great memory. >> We just do that. >> Y >> and these people and every victim of a
violent crime. And I I think it just never hit me in on this angle >> is like to this degree.
>> Shannan and Bella and Celeste, what horror >> the end of their moments were. And it's
like that is like really churning my stomach. Like it's like killing me inside. I'd like to think about it and
it's always bothered me when we talk about of course you know murder cases obviously like that is not lost on me
something about this one and seeing him and how he acted made it even more real and even more like hitting me in like
this place I didn't know I existed basically >> well and I don't think we've covered
very many like family annihilator case like like um >> and not like this >> when you know and specifically like when
the husband kills the entire family because in our minds like that's the person that protects the family. So for
that to just be flipped on its head the way that it is in this case and kicked around in the mud and
>> well in these >> you know the other thing and we'll get to it towards the end.
>> I think that's like really weighing on me with this one is he had 45 minutes.
>> Can I actually tell you something >> that was actually just wild that you said that when you did? I looked down at
my phone and we have 45 minutes left on the timer before I checked the file. That was wild.
>> That is very weird. >> That just like actually just gave me a chill. >> That's weird because he had 45 minutes
in the car with Bella and Celeste alive >> to change his mind while he was driving
them. >> And he even said that he knew he had all that time and he said, "I I don't like
why didn't I do it?" >> Did he say like what was going Did he Did he ever say what was going through
his mind in those 45 minutes? >> No. Not that I read. I honestly don't want to read it too far. I just I'm like
I >> How do you not change your mind? >> If you can sit in a car for 45 minutes with a three and a four-year-old's
little baby that's yours and do what he did to them after 45 minutes. I think that's the part that's like cuz every
murder is horrific. Every family annihilation is horrific. We've just never I've never come across one with a
person drove for 45 minutes with their babies in the car alive and still decided to do it. No.
>> I think that's the part that's like really getting me about this case is like
>> I mean they fell asleep. >> Yeah. like the nothing. One thing, the amount of pictures on my camera roll of
my kids asleep that I take creepily because when I go in their room to check on them, they look
>> the most angelic and sweet that they will ever look is when they're sleeping.
Like that just like will melt you if you are a human being. And he's not. >> No,
>> he's a [ __ ] concrete block of [ __ ] Like he really is. He's nothing. >> He's nothing. Mhm.
>> He has nothing. >> What did you say yesterday? You said he's not even worth the molecules that
build his body. >> Yeah, he's not worth them. >> No, >> he is not worth the molecules that that
make him up. He's just not He's a waste of those. >> So, they thought that back to when he's
visiting in >> and he doesn't care and he doesn't care. >> She's sick. >> He later admitted, you were saying,
>> this is the horrifying thing. He later admitted that he was slipping Shenan oxies in her drinks and things
and in her food to try to encourage a miscarriage and she's over 3 months pregnant.
>> Yeah, she was 15 weeks pregnant. He is trying to poison his pregnant wife without her knowledge to try to induce a
miscarriage. Like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you? >> Which also miscarriages are horrendous.
>> Of course they are. >> And to try to induce that in your wife and that far along is something I cannot
compre I'm like that was the first step of evil. >> Well that's I can't even comprehend.
>> Miscarriage are not miscarriages are not only horrific but incredibly dangerous.
Like she could have died. >> Yeah. And he maybe that was the intention as well. >> Maybe it was.
>> But it's like I said this so many times yesterday when we were talking. I don't
understand why he didn't just and this would have been shitty too, but I don't understand why he just didn't get in his
car and drive away and spend his [ __ ] life with Nicole or whoever the [ __ ] he
wanted to just leave them. Obviously, that's going to be tough for them, but there's tools and they have a community
that surrounds them that they'll be okay. That's the thing. Shannan and these girls had enough people around
them that loved them deeply and had friends around them that loved them deeply that they would have had a
padding. They would have had somewhere to fall. It would have been hard. It would have been the end of their [ __ ]
lives. >> They would have been better off for it. They would have been better off for not
having this man in their life at all. >> And how do you not sit there like that's
that's where it's like I don't and I we said this yesterday like we hate to armchair diagnose but he's a psychopath.
I don't even think that's armchair diagnosing. I >> It's so It's slapping us all at me for
that. Like that's your business. But like >> I don't understand. >> He's a psychopath.
>> Absolutely. Because I don't understand that not occurring to him. >> No. >> Why can't why like abandoning your
family is in your mind worse than murdering them? >> That's what >> Why didn't you just leave? But you know
why? Because he didn't want his life to be interrupted. He didn't want to have to go away. Well, and also if he leaves,
he knows there's a possibility. >> They'll track you down. You're always going to have this tie to
this responsibility. No matter what it even if you're not taking that responsibility on, it's still there. But
there's wiped out. >> There's a million dads that don't pay child support. >> Well, and also, how's that working out
for you, >> right? >> How's that working out for you better? How's that working out for you in prison
where we now know that you are in fear of your life every minute of every day? >> Yeah.
>> How's that working out? >> Yep. >> You [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] >> It's unreal.
>> So, yeah. So, there's that horrible fact, but I have to go back to some of the body cam because in the interim I
found more and it's just too insane not to talk about. He is diabolically stupid. Diabolically stupid. Anybody who
says this man was smart or this man because also I don't think he's autistic. No. A couple of people were
trying to Not everybody who hyperfixates on something and doesn't show a lot of emotion is autistic. He's a psychopath.
>> Yeah, >> he's an evil psychopath and that does not correlate to autism. No, >> maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Nowhere in
anything I found said that he was. So, we're not going to just label him autistic.
>> No. And I that was just something I saw that I was like, "Okay, we're not doing
that." >> Yeah, you need a we need a lot more evidence of a lot more different things.
>> And you know what? He's it's much easier to call him a psychopath because that is
clear as day he is. >> Uh but he's stupid. If you blew in one of his ears and there was a candle at
the other one, you blow the candle out. >> Just a wind tunnel. >> So the investigators have him call the
bank and the credit card. Like this is right after they get to the house. when they're in the house when right now the
girls Bella and Celeste and Shannan and unborn baby Nico are missing that's so they say hey you should call the bank
you should call the credit cards see if she's made any transactions anything's come out of her account
>> and he says so he does and you can see the wheels turning in his head like do I
answer this you know truthfully or not and they're like hey like did they say anything on the phone and he says the
last one was on August 12th and it was a taxi Mhm. >> Now, it's pre it's right now when we're
talking to him. August 13th. >> They have been missing since that morning, August 13th,
>> when he saw >> August 12th, the day prior she was in Arizona and the girls were in bed.
>> Yep. >> So, that's not relevant. And and I'm not saying like he didn't he said it like
that, but then the way he says it is he says it almost like there it is. She got
in a taxi, everybody. And it's like, do you not remember what day it is? >> Right.
>> And I don't think he did. >> You saw her at 4:00 a.m. this morning. >> She got home at 1:48 a.m. on August 13th
today. >> Right. And also like >> you saw her this morning. >> Her suitcase is by the door. Her shoes
are by the door. Maybe her car's in the [ __ ] garage. >> Here's the thing. I think he forgot what
day it was. >> 100%. >> I also think cuz he knew he was going to do this kind this [ __ ] I don't know if
he knew today was the day he was gonna actually I do think he thought that through because as we'll get there was
something happening that day that I think he wanted to make sure it didn't go through quite yet.
>> Oh, >> and you remember it now. I shocked you yesterday with it. I know. >> So sad that we can't that I can't shock
revelations yesterday, but I >> but now you know them. Yeah. >> Uh they'll still just be horrified.
Yeah, I was going to say. Uh, but I do think one of the main things that needs to be pointed out again and again is
that um Shenan's friends like Nicole and Cassandra and Nate and all the people around her that made a big [ __ ] stink
about this to make sure that he that he got home, that the police were called, that this didn't go throughout the day,
that they weren't waiting around to see if she showed up. All those people were the reason that he didn't get to
formulate a better cover story, that he didn't get get to cover up any of his tracks.
>> No. Because they were blatantly out there >> and that everyone was immediately
suspicious of them. They are the heroes in this story. >> They got they came through for their
friend and everybody needs friends like these people. >> Yes. >> Like Nicole Atinson, everybody needs
one. Mhm. >> I'm tell like >> and it's just it he's just when and we're going to go
through it what he did during this day that none of it makes sense. >> No, >> none of it makes sense. So they ask
about the charge and he's like, "Oh yeah, August 12th she got in a taxi." And they're like, "Does it say where or
what time or like what the taxi service was?" Cuz they're still thinking like, you know, at this point maybe they don't
know that he's claiming that she was home this morning. >> Yeah. So you you would answer in this
instance cuz you know that that was yesterday. >> You would probably answer, "Well, she
was in Arizona, so that might have been to the airport or something. It's not from today."
>> But he doesn't do that. He says, "No, it just says taxi." >> Like, "Oh, fuck."
>> Like he says it like, "I I think we've got a lead here, fellas." And even the
[ __ ] officer was like, "Well, that was yesterday." >> Yeah. >> So like, "Let's move on."
>> Like he tried to use that. And you see him try to do this a couple of times. Try like he takes something that someone
says and he's like, "Oh yeah, maybe that was it." And it's like, "You're a dumbass." Cuz everyone is giving you
little tethers to grab cuz they want to see how you react. >> Exactly. It is >> smarter than you. Every single person
around you is smarter than you. >> Yep. >> He also said there was a $27 charge at
Target on August 13th. >> I said that's an act of self-restraint. >> It really is $27. But obviously by
August 13th, we now know that Shannan was no longer alive. >> Is it like a pending charge?
>> So it probably just took a bit to show up. But either way, he is so pleased to
be able to say this cuz he makes it seem like, well, she must be out at Target. Like she ran away with the kids and she
bought something at Target. >> It's like, yeah, her she got her go bag and for $27.
>> Yeah. And didn't bring any of their medication with them or her purse, their car seats, anything. She wore any of
their clothing. Nothing like that. >> Like nothing. Her cell phone. >> Yeah. >> Ring.
>> But the investigator calls him out. The investigator's like, "Yeah, those charges take a couple of days to show
up. That probably wasn't from today." >> Said, "I'm a frequent flyer." >> You can really see these investigators
just going, "Good try." >> Yeah, good try. Now they ask this. This one drives me crazy. And I got John to
validate this one for me. He's on my side. I'm sure not everyone's going to feel the same way, but this personally
irked me. >> Mhm. The investigators asked if the girls had a favorite pair of shoes they
like to wear a lot. He said just a pair that they love to like a go-to pair of shoes.
>> And he says, "No." >> What the actual [ __ ] >> Lies. >> I know all of those girls downstairs. I
know all of their favorite shoes. >> Yeah. >> You have two little girls. I know someone is inevitably going to tell me
I'm wrong because their kid doesn't have a pair of favorite pair of shoes. And that's fine.
>> You're in the minority. I think >> the likelihood of two gals with a fashionloving mama, which was clearly
what Shannan was, >> not having a go-to favorite pair of shoes. >> That means that's crazy work to me.
>> Incorrect. >> That alone and it's the way he answers. I will say it a million times and I
don't care. My body would not be able to form a smile during my my family being missing. It just wouldn't it would
forget how to do it. I would just be in a state of absolute >> terror and grace and
>> I would be like Nicole Atkinson is. >> Yeah. Which she's seen on the body. >> When you watch that body cam footage,
you can see the moment that she sees that her medication is still there. It clicks for her and you can see that that
is a real that is someone that is someone that is missing right now. She grabs her heart and she starts kind of
just like looking around like, "Oh [ __ ] this is really happening." >> She has the reaction of somebody who
loves somebody deeply, >> loved those girls, loved Shannan, and now knows something is bad.
>> And you can see it all over her face. And it shook me like watching human reaction.
>> And watching that one little clip, you feel like you shouldn't see it. >> I know
>> because it's such like a real moment. It's so raw >> of grief and and it just it sticks with
me. I can see it in my brain. But what happens is when they ask about the shoes, he goes no
>> and smiles like this big cheese smile like no. Like I don't know [ __ ] about my
kids. What do you mean? >> Like and then he so he brings them over to a closet and he's like no I just tell
them to go get their shoes. >> And I'm like okay but they probably usually get the same shoes. That's how
kids work. >> But he stands in front of the closet and he goes Bella's are on this side.
Celeste or and Cece's are on this side. And just so >> he's sitting there looking down at these
little baby girls shoes all over the floor and there is nothing. There's nothing. And we all know what he did to
those babies. >> Morning to have nothing. >> No nothing. >> Looking at like the remnants of their
life. >> Nothing. >> How I would be sobbing. You're not a dad. >> And especially even these people he's
trying to make them think that they're just missing. Even if they're just missing, I'm breaking down at the sight
of their little shoes. Yeah. I'm breaking down. >> You wouldn't even be able to like direct
them to the closet. Like like >> you wouldn't even be able to walk over with them and look. You'd just be like
they're in the front closet over there. >> Like I can't look. I'm going to lose my
mind. Like I'm going to lose my mind. >> Like I'd be holding shoes. I'd be like I'd be a mess. Like a mess. He doesn't
even have >> a slight And it's these kind of things that when you watch this body cam
footage will [ __ ] you up. It's not graphic. It's not gruesome. It's not that [ __ ] It's him. It'll [ __ ] you up.
The psych like the p psychologically damaging part of this is watching him not care.
>> That's how vacant he is. >> It really is. And when he is lying or when he's getting asked something that's
difficult for him to answer, he has a tell >> a couple where he has a couple. He'll
close his eyes. He'll blink a lot. He does this thing with his jaw where he like kind of does like an underbite
rigid thing. >> Yeah. >> Uh and he does it a lot. He does it a lot during the surveillance vid uh video
like showing when Nate is there. >> Yep. >> He does it during the interview and he
does it here when he's trying. I think it's when he's trying to like calm his nervous system.
>> He's doing it right now actually. >> Yeah. But I hope he is I hope he's in a permanent state of her
>> lock jaw. >> Yeah. Just straight up locked jaw. It's very interesting he does it here. They
walk into the bedroom, the main bedroom, and they see that he has stripped the bed entirely. Now, remember, I just want
everyone to remember, at this point, he had not been home. He left for work at what he said was 5:15, 5:30 in the
morning, leaving his wife in bed in the bed sheets and everything. >> And then he went to work. This is the
first time he got home. Why is the bed stripped >> and where is everything? And he says
it's because she had airport on her. Yeah. He said, "Well, she had gotten home last night straight from the
airport, so she would have wanted to do that at 4 in the morning." >> Well, he's trying to say like she would
have washed them, but in that case, they would have found them, everybody say it
together, in the wash machine. >> Yeah. >> Instead, >> they found them in the trash.
>> And they didn't even find all of them. >> Nope. Find them in the fitted sheet.
Right. And it was missing the top sheet. Yeah. And we will find out why later. And the girls beds were missing their
sheets, too, right? >> Yeah. The girls beds were missing certain sheets and then later they end
up being made. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yeah. He He switches that all up.
>> What? >> Yeah. So, he tells them that they had a discussion at 4:00 a.m. when he woke up.
So, he woke up he woke her up at 4:00 a.m. after she got home at 1:48 a.m. So, she had probably slept for less than 2
hours. And he wakes her up at 4:00 a.m. to talk about separating and selling the
house. Awesome. And he said, and when they were like, "Why did why did you choose 4:00 a.m.?" Like, what the day?
So, she got home from a trip less than 2 hours earlier >> and was asleep and you woke her up to
tell her like, "Hey, [ __ ] you >> essentially." >> And they were like, and he was like,
"Well, I didn't want to like text her or like, you know, that stuff or do it when
I would have to text her. you live with her, >> right? >> Just wait until you get home from work
when you can actually like wait until you put the girls to sleep and then have a discussion.
>> He cannot put one in one together. He is the dumbest [ __ ] I've ever heard. And
and again, kudos to Shenan's friends for making it. So, he has to think on his [ __ ] feet because one thing Chris
stupid ass Watts can't do is think on his goddamn feet. That's one thing that man is. I pick things up and I put them
down and that's as far as he can think. >> Yep. He's a true idiot. And it also has
nothing to do with the fact that he likes cars go or that he's an automotive technician or whatever he was because
>> Drew also works with cars and we never said that they were stupid. >> No, nobody ever said that.
>> Yeah. If I'm saying somebody is stupid, I mean the murderer is stupid. Not the
job he does, not the industry as a whole. I literally just said cars >> and you guys took that and we're
>> and only a couple people did. But I was like >> only a couple. >> Please just know that we are never
personally attacking you when we're talking about a family annihilation. >> No, it's not about you.
>> Yeah. Don't make a family annihilation about you or about cars or anything like
that. >> About cars. >> It's about this dumbass piece of [ __ ] And what it is about is Shenan, unborn
baby Nico, Celeste, and Bella. That's who it's about. >> Period. But I just had to put that out
there that we're not saying if he works with cars you're stupid. He is stupid by
nature. That's he be born stupid. That's what he was. >> TM. >> Um so yeah, so he's an idiot. Um so
they're like they're like that's crazy that you did that right before work. Uh but they're like sure. All right. People
do stupid things, I guess. >> And they ask about they're like oh you know what we saw a bed in the basement.
>> What's that about? And they said, "This is kind of fitting. They said now you're
saying that you were talking about separating. Like I'm assuming she kicked you out into the basement a couple of
times and you had to sleep there." >> And he's like, "Yeah, we had some marital problems." Which like they did.
>> Yeah. >> And this wasn't when I say the the switch was flipped before she went to
North Carolina. They had some marital problems. It just wasn't like exploding. Yeah. And it was more like financial
stuff and it was more, you know, things with his family and like that kind of [ __ ] And like in the end they always
came together and they always kind of like worked through it. The the switch was flipped when it was like he just
stopped caring about her >> and he just like wouldn't entertain those conversations.
>> Wouldn't go near her. >> He wasn't even really arguing anymore. >> So that there was some marital problems
but and he said sometimes he would sleep down there and they ask when the last time was he slept down there. Now, he
says, "I sleep down there when we have marital problems. When I can't sleep in my bed with her."
>> Yeah. >> So, she has to be in the house when we're talking about that. They say,
"When's the last time you had to sleep down there?" And he goes, "Probably two nights ago, three nights ago." Oh,
>> why would you sleep down there when it was just you? She was in Arizona during
that time. >> He also says, and that this is a whole other part of it. One, she's in Arizona.
Two, he's always saying in this body cam footage that he's got to be upstairs when the kids are in bed cuz that's
where the monitor is. >> Yeah. >> So the kids are in bed on the third floor and you're in the basement. No.
What? Because also you didn't even hear this part. He catches himself. >> Yeah. >> He knows that that's not true. And he
also knows that makes no sense. Exactly. >> Because he just said he sleeps down there when he's in trouble with his wife
who is in bed. >> You just slept there for fun. >> Catches himself. He says two nights ago,
three nights ago. Well, um, when she was here, so probably Thursday or Friday. >> So, he catches himself mid lie,
realizes, "Oops, I just [ __ ] up here." And then he's like, "Uh, well, it was when she was here, obviously, cuz I did
just say that." Like and you can see one of the officers, I think it's officer, he covers his mouth and you can tell
he's looking at the other officers like, >> "Fuck, >> this guy is not only a monster clearly.
He's a [ __ ] idiot." Y >> like they're all like, "What? How does he >> Well, they're all looking at each other
like, "Oh, wow. We're standing in a family annihilator's house." And I do wonder like when you watch it cuz you
again I'm going to read some of the reports too where they put their own >> opinions
>> opinions and what they were feeling in there and saying like I thought it was
strange that he acted this way. >> Like it does make you wonder while the officers are standing there like next to
a play kitchen >> in the living room like a little pink play kitchen >> if they're just looking at this guy and
being like, "Oh, he might have killed his little girls." >> Yeah. and we're just sitting here having
to listen to his dumbass come up with every lie under the sun. >> And you have to be like somewhat cordial
to get the information out of him to get like the not even the correct information but to catch him in these
fuckups >> and you have to find proof. So it's like you can't even accuse like outright. You
have to >> you have to play a part for a while. >> Yeah. It's like that that >> in this particular case I'm like damn.
But again, you can you can see it on their faces, especially because the next thing they say, which I thought was
really cool, like a good idea. They were like, "Hey, okay, like your marital problems are your business, like
whatever." And they're like, "So maybe she just doesn't want to talk to you. Like maybe she did leave and she's mad
at you and she doesn't want to talk to you. So she maybe her friends are covering for her and saying that, you
know, she's not with them because she just doesn't like to see your [ __ ] face." So they're like, "So why don't
you call your friends and tell them if she is with you, I don't need to know, but just please have her call the police
so that we can know that she's okay. She does not have to talk to me. She can talk to the police."
>> Right? >> And he's like, "Got it." And then he's like, "Have you called all all of her
friends? You've called everyone you know." And he's like, "Yeah, I've exhausted all the friends I know." And
then he goes, "But Nicole, her friend, like her friend Nicole Atkinson, she probably knows more because she's a
woman." What? You said this the and I said what >> you know women >> literally says Nicole because like woman
>> like we just know more people. >> We I'm I'm sorry. We have friends like I don't
>> keep track of our community. >> You you know us women always >> having friends like I don't what does
that mean? Always knowing people's names like >> Yeah, maybe. What is that? Like I was
like, you you can't what is that? >> And he says it like >> like [ __ ] women like I don't know if
that was that was what you thought it was like probably not. >> And the police officers are even like
like what was that? Like are you trying to be like what was that? So they're like hey he's like there is somebody
else I can call. So he call he makes a call to someone. This shook me to my core because he says, "Now, if you were
calling someone in this instance, you would say, hey, I'd be like, hey, it's Elena." Like,
>> this is urgent. >> This is really like I just need to tell you this. >> Like, John and the kids are missing.
Have you seen them today? I just need to know. Like, that would be it would be like, hey, this is who I am. This is
what's going on. Okay, call me. >> Right. >> No, he calls and says, hey, it's Chris
Watts. Not too bad. Uh, hey, have you seen Shannan today? Not too bad. >> I didn't add the not too bad in there.
That's exactly how he says it. >> It's on It's recording. >> Hey, it's Chris Watts. The person
obviously that says, "Hey, Chris. How you doing?" Not too bad. >> Not too bad. >> Too bad.
>> Not too bad. Your whole family is missing. >> Your entire family is missing. >> Not too bad.
>> Your entire family is missing and there is no evidence that they left of their
own valition. >> I would love to see him on a good day. that I'm like what did you No human
being acts like this. >> No. >> If they are innocent or even or if if they're trying to act innocent
>> cuz that's the other thing. You're trying to act innocent. You're standing in a your house full of cops and they're
watching you take this phone call and respond to how are you with >> not too bad.
>> Not too bad. >> And then he's like all right. Okay. >> Talk to you later. >> Talk to you later.
>> And he's smiling. If you pause it, he smiles. It is unbelievable. And it's in
front of all these officers who are looking at each other like, "Did he just say not too bad?" Like, "What the fuck?"
>> Like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" >> It's unbelievable. So, even so, again, this is when two like um Nicole points
out because she's a good friend. She's like, "Wait, she has medication she takes all the time and her purse is
sitting on the counter where it shouldn't be if she left of her own valition." So, she's like, "Let me check
in her purse." So, she checks in her purse and she's like, you can see there's like this glimmer of hope. No,
there's glimmer of hope in her face where she's like, "Maybe it's not in there. Maybe it's if it's not in there,
that means maybe she grabbed it and she's looking and then you can see it drop and she just says it's in there."
And she and you can tell like she's like, "Fuck." And that's when she like grabs her heart. She's pacing around
like the other officers go in another room and they're looking through things and they're like, "Hey, like so these
two little girls were on like nebulizers and and they had asthma and had like um
inhalers and all of it is here >> and these are things they would need with them." Like you can see them all
sitting there going, "How is this guy trying to act like >> too bad?" And that's how you know like
he thought he was going to get home from work that day. he was going to be able to wipe that place clean. He thought he
was gonna get rid of all the medicine. He was gonna get rid of her purse, maybe stash her cell phone somewhere. He was
going to get rid of anything that would have indicated that they couldn't have left on their own.
>> And then his story was going to be that they abandoned him and that he could never find them and he could never see
his girls again. That was going to be his story. And her friends said, "Fuck off. I don't think so." Because not only
that, her friends all say, everyone around her says and her family says they loved Chris. They did not. This wasn't
one of those situations that were like, "We just tolerated Chris cuz like she >> he was always wearing his mask."
>> They loved him. He had the mask on the whole time. But this is one of those unique situations where everyone loved
him >> and then when that mask was tossed away, they said, "Well, I don't know who the
[ __ ] >> they said. We that's too big to deny." Like none of them could ignore it. So
all of them said, "I never would have thought this, but yeah, now I do think he did it." Like that's how bad he was
and how he just let the evil just completely take over when he did this. When he decided he was going to do this,
he just let it leech out and nobody could deny it. Even people who had loved him like a son.
>> Yep. >> It's like his It was honestly his family was the only ones that it fooled.
>> Yeah. But even while talking to officers the next day, cuz remember when we were
talking about the porch interview, the infamous porch interview that cooked his ass, he said the only memory he could
come up with of how what he misses about his children. >> Finish your dinner or you don't get a
treat, >> yelling at them about not eating dinner and not getting a dessert >> and shoving them on their own couch to
watch their own show. >> Not I miss snuggling them. I want to grab them and hold them and smell them,
hear their giggles or lay with them when they sleep. if I want to >> running around in the morning, like
nothing like that. Just I want to make I want to tell them I want to disappoint them and tell them they can't have
dessert. >> Uh today he had a he had another one. >> Oh, >> he said um he just misses when they
would throw chicken nuggets at him. >> That took me out that absolutely fried me.
>> Like that's how you know like >> he hated this. >> You have to try to human better in this
kind of situation. >> He's not safe. For some reason, these are the only memories that he can
conjure because all he can think right now is, "Oh man, [ __ ] I'm free of all that. I don't have to tell them to eat
their dinner anymore. I don't have to sit there and watch Bubble Guppies while they're on their couch and I can't watch
my show. And I don't have to sit there and get pelleted with chicken nuggets, even though that's [ __ ] hilarious."
>> Exactly. He doesn't want There's no >> He can't conjure an actual memory of him
caring about them and having a sweet interaction with them >> cuz he just doesn't care. because he's
so happy to be free of them, which is so [ __ ] >> I'm glad he didn't know how to human in
this scenario >> because he he sunk his own [ __ ] >> because like whatever Google search he
did to learn how to act like a grieving father, it failed him so spectacularly that I'm so glad it did.
>> He was too busy looking up lyrics. >> He couldn't He could not human in this moment.
>> And he says and then they're like, "Hey, what did the girls usually wear to bed?"
Like what? >> Oh my god. Now, he's been a father of girls for four years. >> Yep.
>> Fathers of girls out there or or of just little kids who like to wear night gowns.
You know what a night gown is. >> Correct. >> Because you have kids that wear night
gowns. Even people who don't have kids, I think could say they know what a night
gown is. >> They're like, "Hey, does like one of the officers is like, do you know do they
wear night gowns? Do they wear like PJs usually? like what do they love to wear?
What were they wearing last night? And he was like I they were like they have like dresses that they go to sleep in
>> a night gown. >> That's literally what a night gown. It says it in the name night gown. That's
what that is. A dress that you sleep in at night. >> He's so stupid. >> And you know like Shannan was like, "Oh,
can you grab me that night gown?" Or like, "Hey, can you toss their night gown in the laundry gown it is?" Like
you know what it is. You know what it is. And then he's like, "No, I don't remember what they went to bed in last
night." And even one of the officers is like, "You put them to bed though, you said, cuz Shannan wasn't home. You had
to get them in the PJs >> and you don't recall." >> I always remember what the [ __ ] they're
wearing. >> Yeah. >> Like free to keep track of. >> Like that. You put them in the in the
pajamas. You remember what pajamas they're going to be. >> Not only that, you put them in the
pajamas. You also check on them throughout the night. You're sitting there later on. He's sitting there
saying he check he's upstairs because he's checking in on the monitor. I always check on the kids every so many
pair maybe not every but so many parents I know your kids are at my house I go in
there three times through the night if I wake up I'm like I should go check on >> them
>> I should just go check on them >> and I know what they're wearing >> you know what they're wearing you put
them in it like it's like come on so that's stupid he just doesn't want to give them anything when K-9 officers
come this is what the report says now the K9 officer came in it says while speaking with Chris about appropriate
items such as shoes and clothing. The K-9 officer stated the importance of the items not being touched by anyone else.
Each time Deputy Cotch asked Chris about specific items, he mentioned that he had
in some way touched them. And you can see it in the video. She's like, "Okay, like we're going to need this so we can
have like their scent on it." And he's like, "Well, I did touch that. Well, I did throw that in the laundry. Well, I
did rub my body all over that. Well, I did spit on that. Well, I did clutch that. Well, I did walk around with that.
You touched every item in this house. >> Why would you do that? >> After she specifically told you not to
>> and it's just physically not poss cuz they're like in the last like however many hours like you and he's
like yeah last night I just touched the guy through this house. >> I literally touched everything in this
house. >> Tasmanian devild. >> Because he doesn't want them to think that he can get a clear they can get a
clear scent. And he wants them to know my scent will be on everything. >> Mhm. And not because I did it, but
because I just touch things all the time. >> But also like your scent is probably
going to be on there anyway, [ __ ] You live in the house. >> Yeah. You're their dad.
>> Hello. >> And husband. >> But one of the most egregious, and this is what I was mentioning earlier, was
when Officer Perez tries to like empathize with him. >> Yeah. >> Uh he's like, "Hey man, like I have a
seven-year-old nephew and I've and I took him in." And he literally says, "I'd be going bat [ __ ] crazy if he was
missing." and he says, "I can't imagine two daughters." The entire time he is saying this, Chris doesn't look on at
him. He's texting on his phone. Which he is always texting on his phone. >> Always texting
>> and not even paying attention. Doesn't say anything. Barely answers him. In the
report that he wrote, he wrote, "Officer Perez commented to Chris that he can't imagine what he is going through. While
speaking with Chris, he showed no emotion and he did not seem to respond appropriately to the situation. Chris
did not ask any questions or offer to help at any time. Chris's facial expressions rarely changed. However,
when they did, he seemed to smile/ smirk inappropriately, displaying a lack of empathy, specifically when speaking
about his children. >> Why are you smiling? >> His voice remained low and even toned.
His non-verbal cues were very apparent. Chris had a very erect and almost tense posture, and his arms crossed a majority
of the time. Chris lacked eye contact and appeared to be nervous looking around constantly.
>> That's them just looking at him. >> He Well, that's the other thing like with them saying he doesn't have any
[ __ ] appropriate emotions. He doesn't cry once in any interview with the media
in any body cam footage, interrogation, looking at the security footage, >> looking at his baby girls little outfits
in their closets, walking into Bella's purple room with butterflies all over it. Nothing.
>> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Literally nothing. >> How do you not have a single human
emotion? And I need you guys to see and I maybe we'll be able to post it. The the body cam footage of Officer Perez
trying to engage with him. He barely looks at him. Barely looks at him. And when he says like, "I'm so sorry." Like,
"I don't know how you feel." He never says like, "Thank you." or like, "I appreciate it." And I think it was like
our friends that I mentioned there before, uh, Denty and Shaz. >> Yes. They mentioned, and I was thinking
it too, at the end of all this, you see the the K9 unit leave. >> And they say like, you know, like if you
need anything, give us a call. We're going to work on this. We'll let you know. Blah blah blah. Not once does he
say, I appreciate it. Thank you. He's just like, yep. >> Cuz he just wants everybody to get out
of live now. >> These people are supposed to be helping you find your missing family. You'd be
like, I appreciate it so much. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. I'll be here. like if you need anything from me, I'm
right here. Like you know where to find me. Like one of them's like, "Do you have my number?" And he's like, "I don't
know." >> And he's like, "Do you want it?" Like do you want do you want to have a
connection to the people trying to find your kids? >> I can't imagine being an investigator on
the other end of this. >> It must have been so [ __ ] infuriating. >> It also just must have been the like I
don't know how to respond to people when they act strangely like like I've never
come across anybody quite like this, but just in a way where I'm like what? Like
why appropriate response? >> But I think that's what happened. And I think I think everyone was thrown. You
can tell everyone's like very not even knowing how to react to him. >> That's how I would feel.
>> And officer Kunrod, who has like a lot of um a lot of the body cam footage is
from him, his report is very telling. One part of it says, "Christopher gave us consent to check Shannan's phone. It
had an alert which stated the garage door was opened at 12:42 hours. Detective Bomb Hover took the phone to
the Frederick Police Department. Christopher showed me his phone, which shows alarm times when the doors are
opened. It sent an alarm at about the same time stating he had left the open opened the garage door. Christoph
Christopher told me that at least three times, which felt unusual. Shannan's phone showed an alert at 12:42 hours for
the garage door, which is the only way someone could leave the residence. Christopher's demeanor was nonchalant.
He asked one time if he should go look for his family. I advised him her car was at the residence and I needed him
there for now. >> He didn't for now. And that was right when he got there. >> Yeah.
>> He did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned. Nicole
and Nathaniel said they both felt Christopher was extremely nervous. Nathaniel said he had heard Christopher
numerous times in the past yelling loudly at Shannan. Now, another friend described as one of
Shannan's best friends spoke with investigators and said she lived with them at one point just for a short
period of time and she helped out with the kids, like that stuff. Her name was Christina.
>> Uh, Chris, it says Christina said their marriage began to change when Shannan
was in North Carolina. Chris began to get aggravated with the kids around him all of a sudden.
>> Really? >> She said Chris used to put Shannan and the kids first. Chris began to not touch
or ask Shannan about the baby. Christina said that they were when they were separated for the 5 weeks she was in
North Carolina. Chris came back to Shannan a different man. So, see, everyone's like, "What the fuck?"
Christina said Shannan had a routine and was a bit OCD. She advised everything was in order, even what she wore as
clothes. Christina described Shannan as very protective of the kids. Christina did believe they struggled a bit
financially, but Shenan wanted the marriage to work out, but said she couldn't fight for it without his help.
Oh, >> Christina described the girls as being very light sleepers because of where the
girls slept above the garage of the house. They wouldn't open the garage in the morning. Christina said Chris would
usually go out the front door. She said if there was an argument when she got home, the girls would have woken up.
>> So, she's like, "That doesn't make sense to me." Christina used an example of
when she lived with them. She said she had to leave early one morning, so they had parked the car outside the garage
the night before. And Shannan was worried just turning on the car outside would wake the kids.
>> Wow. So they're really really >> they would have heard an argument in the morning.
>> Of course they would have. >> Now this tells me the more time he spent with the mistress as well without the
responsibility of a wife and kids, the more annoyed he was by the responsibility of a wife and kids. He
was getting more and more annoyed because he was getting what he wanted and he wanted to just snip it and start
this new life. It also tells me that him pulling up to the garage that morning and backing halfway into the garage,
Nate and his wife and all those people were correct and Nicole and her son and everybody who said no, he never does
that. He's also never parks in the driveway with that truck cuz it will leak oil
>> and he didn't want oil on the garage on the uh thing. >> Not something he would do.
>> Well, also think about like starting a truck versus starting a car. Trucks are
louder so >> they he would park it like out front, >> right? So him saying like, "Yeah, I
would just pull it up." Like, "No, everyone knows you don't do that, and there's several reasons why you don't do
that." >> And not only that, there's security footage showing that you don't do that.
>> Exactly. Now, Officer Goodman called Chris several times during the next day to talk about like, you know, physical
traits of Shannan and Celeste and Bell >> to investigate. >> To investigate to try to send out to
people like scars they had, you know, like any Yeah. distinguishing features. He said
he called him several times and he didn't answer. So, investigators are calling him several times while his
family is missing and he is not answering. He's not at work, by the way. >> And how are you not on standby?
>> He then called back and said, "Sorry, something was wrong with the phone." >> No,
>> your first thing would be, "Hey, oh my god, I'm so sorry." First of all, you should That shouldn't even But if it
did, like something was wrong with the phone. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Did you hear from them? Have you found them? Do
you know what's going on? >> Nope. Officer Goodman literally wrote in the report, "It should be mentioned that
once I had made contact with Christopher, he did not ask me if I had been calling because I had any
information concerning his missing wife and daughters or if I was calling because they had been found." To be on
his end of that phone call must have been You must He must have just been sitting there wideeyed like, "Is this
[ __ ] being so for real right now?" >> You would have and I wonder if he did. I
wonder if he was like, "Do you want to know if we have anything?" Yeah. I feel like you wouldn't be able to help
yourself. >> I would have to say it. I'd be like, "Do you want to know what's going on?"
>> Do you want more? >> Do you want an update? >> No. Never asked. >> That's psychotic.
>> It is psychotic. >> So, the day they went missing, he also spoke with Shannan's mother, Sandy.
Chris did. And this is what it says in the report. >> Oh, god. So Sandy was upset and this is
like if from the uh investigator is writing this report. >> Okay. So he says Sandy is was upset and
told me that she and her husband believe that her daughter and granddaughter's disappearance involved foul play and
that she honestly believes that her son-in-law was involved in the disappearance of her daughter and
granddaughters. I can't imagine when we said yesterday ma would not for a second if either of
us went missing would never think John would never think true. >> No, >> not for a minute.
>> And it's not because again Christopher acted this way all the time. >> It's cuz she is seeing the mask on and
she's calling it what it is. These are all people that have their [ __ ] eyes wide open. And he is so unlucky that she
was surrounded by people that have their [ __ ] eyes wide open and that are also
unafraid to take a quick little leap out because this is tough. >> Of course it is.
>> This is a tough situation for anybody to say, "Oh, I think my friend." >> No one wants to accuse this man of
killing his whole family. That's not the first thing you want to do regardless of
what you're seeing. >> Especially when you've known him for years and years and years. So that's how
bad it must have been and how bad the switch must have flipped for them all to go, I think he had something to do with
it. >> And so she said um that Christopher is acting weird and out of the ordinary.
She said that Christopher is telling people he has to go to work and that just doesn't seem right because why
would you not be home if they show up, >> right? >> She felt that he and this okay this is
the part you should know ahead of time that Sandy and Shannan spoke every day. >> Yeah. They were very close, mother and
daughter. They were very connected. And this will tell you right now how connected she was to Shannan and how
connected she was to Bella and Celeste. >> Cuz this gave me a full chill. I already
bones. >> I already know what you're going to say and I'm getting like pre- chills.
>> She said she felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of
them somewhere. To be that in touch with the reality of this nightmare is some next level mama
[ __ ] That is so unbelievably intuitive. I don't even know. I hate that she >> she even had to be that intuitive.
>> I hate that she felt that. >> But how like she's spot on. >> Spot on. She also said that she felt
when Shannan had come home late from the trip and had been exhausted and that she
and Christopher had argued, but due to Shannan's lupus, she would not have been able to put up a fight, which also she
didn't have any defensive. >> No. And I didn't even think of that until I read this. I was like, "Oh my
god, you're right. >> She's been on a work trip. >> She's been on a plane traveling. She's
pregnant." And lupus [ __ ] you up. Lucas is a hard >> autoimmune disease to deal with
>> and it's stress will bring it on and she's under enormous stress lately with everything Christopher putting her
>> and he's been putting her through hell up and down. So, it's like that puts her
in such a flare up, I'm sure. >> I just It horrified me. Now, during the time going back to the day she went that
they went missing, um, this [ __ ] loser was googling song lyrics. >> I cannot with this part. I literally
cannot with this [ __ ] part. >> Like 3 hours after he had dumped them in an oil field and what he was googling
was battery by Metallica. Now, battery, by the way, is what those big oil like tanks and that like whole
thing. It's called an oil battery. >> Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I didn't even know that.
>> Yeah. And >> that's So, >> just to be clear, there's always going to be the person who's like,
>> "Metallica made them do it." >> No. The Metall for decades, Metallica has had people loving their music and
listening to their music, and one guy does this and then Googles the lyrics. That does not make it Metallica's fault.
No. And we cannot take this away from being Chris's fault and Chris's fault alone.
>> Um, but the the actual lyrics are scary considering not in this context. Obviously, Metallica did not write them
about a family annihilation, >> but when you put it with him looking up these lyrics, it just also makes him
such a loser >> because it's like you're looking up lyrics >> like what? >> After you massacred your family. So part
of the lyrics are crushing all that cower, battery is here to stay, smashing through the boundaries, lunacy has found
me, cannot stop the battery, pounding out aggression, turn into obsession, cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the
family. Battery is found in me. >> Cannot kill the family. >> I was going to say, you can't even say
that Metallica made him do it because they said cannot kill the family. And he looked that up specifically so he could
sit there and be like, "Yeah, >> like feel some like just rock out. >> They get me. They don't. They don't. I
could I'm speaking for all of Metallica right now. They don't get you. >> They don't get you.
>> No. And they do not like you. No, >> I know that. >> No one does. >> And [ __ ] you for looking up Metallica
lyrics. Like [ __ ] you. After you kill your whole family, you look up Metallica
lyrics. >> You don't deserve Metallica." And when asked about this, because obviously it
showed up in his [ __ ] search history because he's an idiot, >> which is weird.
>> He said he looked these up because Nicole Kessinger, his mistress, asked him about the lyrics to this song and
wanted to know the meaning. She has Google, as we're well aware that >> she couldn't in in her uh two hours of
searching up wedding dresses, she couldn't just take a side quest to figure out what the meaning of this
Metallica song was. >> Yeah. I mean, look at those discovery documents. We know she had Google.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's She definitely had Google. She could have looked those up. And
also, what are you trying to do? >> Yeah, exactly. >> What are you trying to do here?
>> Oh, she heard that song that I've never What is Metallica? He said. >> Yeah. And also if you look at the uh the
timeline here and you look at the transcript like the text messages ingoing and outgoing and the phone calls
during this time they weren't talking during that little they were talking during the day don't get me wrong but
during that little period she didn't ask him about it that we saw that you can see so so what's that interesting
um so they've gone through the house they've talked to the friends like the investigators have they've talked to the
friends the neighbors and they've watched Chris Watts zero emotion about his family being
supposedly missing. Um, I honestly, again, I have no doubts that every officer who entered that house knew
something nefarious had happened involving him. >> Um, there there's no way. Now, during
the day, Chris had made several staged phone calls to Shannan as well to try to while he was at work to try to make this
trail of concern seem real. >> Yeah. Because once I think he this this is how I feel like he he definitely
planned this and he thought it was going to go a different way because he did it.
Then he went to work and he said got to make a phone call and pretend that I called her. Oh, didn't get her. Okay.
Got to send her a text message say where are you? Call her again. Lose that. Then
the friends start contacting him and saying we we can't get her. And then he's like, "Oh [ __ ] I didn't think
about the fact that her friends talk to her and care about her." Which is insane. And also, and that's when it
unraveled. Here's how crazy this is. He forgot that she had a doctor's appointment that morning or just just
didn't know. >> Yeah. >> The man who had the mask on literally kept track of her doctor's appointment.
That version of Chris of Chris, how ironic. Existed. How ironic. How crazy that they both can exist.
It's next level. Truly. Now, this one, I hadn't heard this before. And when I read it in the documents, I said, "This
is what you said." He made sure that it was this day, right? >> Like, cuz again, he's planning.
>> He's He thinks he's going to go home and clear out all the things that make it
seem like they couldn't have left on their own valition. And he still did this >> at 8:26 in the morning. That's two hours
after he had just dis murdered his whole family and disposed of them in heinous ways.
>> Yeah. >> At 8:26, >> he called Primrose school, which are the was Bella and Celeles preschool/
daycare. >> Mhm. >> And it was like a really good school that Shannan had worked hard to get them
into. >> Yep. He called that school at 8:26 in the morning to disenroll them, to take them out of school
forever. >> Mhm. >> He literally talked to the staff and told them his daughters would not be
returning to school there. >> How are like I'm glad he's this stupid. How was he ever going to explain that
later? >> How? And he just never thought he didn't account for that coming back up. His
answer later was just like, "Well, I thought that you know she had taken off with them."
>> No, you had no evidence of that. >> It also had been a couple hours since you'd last.
>> Hey, also at this point, they're not missing, >> right? That's where he really went wrong
here. He said, "I didn't think they were ever going to come back." Oh, no. They know they were gone.
>> Wait a minute. You didn't know they were missing. You weren't supposed to. Anyway,
>> you were still calling them, >> remember? >> Yeah. >> Like, not only is this stupid, even if
he had done it in the middle of the day after they were already quote unquote missing, that would still be stupid
because you would never disenroll your children, you would be like, "They're coming home today and they're going to
school tomorrow." Like, everything's going to go totally normal and that this is all going to be a weird dream. Y
>> you would never disenroll them essentially admitting that they're gone. >> And then on top that would be weird
enough to do when you know that they're missing >> to do it before they are even missing
and then try to make it work >> is stupid on a level this is what I'm talking about. This level of stupidity
>> is something I have not seen in a long time. He cooked himself from every which thank
goodness I will forever be grateful at his lack of neurons. Yep. >> But >> holy [ __ ] And then
>> that was next level. I had never heard that before either. >> Yeah. Well, and then what's crazy is FBI
agent Tammy Lee noted later that the payment for the month for that school was due that day.
>> Wow. So he disenrolled them so he wouldn't have to pay for them anymore because this truly was about eliminating
every single tie to those those kids and his wife and take every responsibility off the table. He didn't even want to
pay for a month of daycare for him >> just to keep >> he wasn't even willing to put up with
that. He said I am disengaging from it all >> immediately. Talk about a disgusting
beast. It's It just makes beast absolutely I don't understand how people like this exist. Truly such a pathetic
waste of skin. Yeah, >> he is the most pathetic waste of skin and oxygen I've ever come across. He's
so disgusting. He's despicable. >> He really is. >> Now, the former director of Primrose was
interviewed because she was also friends with Shannan at one point and she confirmed that before leaving for North
Carolina, she said the same thing they all said. Chris and Shannan were all over each other. Wow.
>> Very loveydovey, very like PDA, very like happy and then suddenly it was gone.
>> Wow. >> And this was again everyone's that you look through those texts between the
friends and her, you look from her, it's all the same story. >> Um, and she said when he came to back
when he came to visit North Carolina and when she came home, he wouldn't touch her, wouldn't hug her. In fact, at one
point he said, "I don't want to hug you." And wouldn't take photos with the kids. He wouldn't take photos with the
kids. >> Wouldn't take family photos anywhere that they went. Like wouldn't be involved in anything.
>> What the [ __ ] >> Yeah. He knows what he's gonna do. >> That's crazy. >> And I truly think that was part of it
was he shut it off because he saw what life could be like with Nicole. >> Yeah. >> And no responsibilities. And I think he
had already decided what he was going to do. >> I don't know if he had the full plan,
but he knew what he was going to do. He was gearing up. And he was he was disengaging to make it easier on
himself. just leave. Just leave. >> Now, they interviewed Nicole Kessinger, obviously, and she gave a lot of info,
including that on August 13th, the night the day they went missing at night that
day. So, she had gone through the whole day thinking his family was quote unquote missing.
>> They spoke and he claimed Shenan and he told Nicole that Shannan had just told
him she was pregnant that morning. >> There's literally a video that exists of when she told him that she was pregnant.
Uh-huh. >> There's a video. >> Yeah. So, he didn't account for that. >> Also, she was 15 weeks pregnant. It was
pretty clear. >> And she had had two children before. She was showing he knew what his wife looked
like pregnant. Like that's >> And also like >> she also had a doctor's appointment that
morning. >> Yeah. >> Which like would have been one of multiple that she had gone to recently.
Had ultrasounds. >> You They had named the baby. >> Yeah. >> The baby was named. They knew that the
the sex of the baby. >> Yeah. What? >> Yeah. Also, he claimed to Nicole that not only did she tell him that morning,
but she said, "It's not yours." So, now he's trying to paint Shannan as the one.
>> Talk about projection. >> Truly projection. >> He projects everything onto Shannan cuz
eventually he will project being a murderer onto her. >> Everything that he does, he makes it
like her. She did it. >> That's such a like pathology. I feel like especially with cheaters. Well, and
what's even sadder is later cuz Nicole found out that she was pregnant through the media, right?
>> Because at this point she was like, "I didn't believe him." Yeah. >> Like I just thought he was being weird.
Like I just kind of was like, "Oh, okay." Like what? And so she said she found out confirmed that she was
pregnant and that it was his child and that they had known about it and they had named this child. She found all that
through the media. And when she brought that to him and said, "What the fuck?" He was like, "Yeah, I lied."
And then he was like, "Does this affect our relationship?" Yes. like he was genuinely upset when she was like, "Hey,
I just found out that your wife that's missing is pregnant with your child and that you knew this for 15 weeks." And he
was like, "Yeah, okay. I lied about that. Are like, are we okay though?" And that and she said that was the point
where she was like, "I think you killed your family. Like, I need to go." >> Oh my god.
>> Like this was days later. But also another conversation on August 13th, the day that they went missing, Chris told
Nicole that Shannan had left her wedding ring at the house cuz remember he walked
out with that wedding ring saying it was on the nightstand. >> I have a whole feeling about that.
>> Chris asked Nicole, "How much do you think the ring is worth?" >> Remember his family has been missing for
about 12 hours at this point. >> And she responded by telling him to pawn it. Why would you pawn the ring? And he told
her he was going to get it appraised. Why would you pawn the ring if you were expecting your wife to come home? Why
would either of you have responded that way? >> Mhm. >> Why would he have said, "How much do you
think it's worth?" And why the [ __ ] did she even dignify that with a response? I
would literally say, "What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? Your wife is missing." And instead she says, "Pon it."
>> What? >> I got nothing. >> Like get it together. I got nothing. >> And then his response was going to
happen so much. But >> yeah, I got lots of >> so much but I got it back. >> Yeah, cuz you know what?
>> Whatever. Uh but yeah, I think what happened to was she did not leave that wedding ring on the nightstand. She
didn't take it off. >> No, the room had been searched multiple times over by the time he came out and
was like, "Wookie here." No, he took it off of her to sell later because also that was going to help him erase a
little bit of the debt that they were in so that he could move on with his his new life with Nicole debtree.
>> Well, and not only $1,000 ring. >> Exactly. Not only that, too, he I think you had I don't know if you said it in
part one if we had just talked about it, but when investigators first got there,
he didn't let them in right away. He was in the garage. >> It took not even in the garage. He was
in the house. >> In the house. He took two full minutes to go from the garage to the front door
>> like >> which was literally >> a five-second walk. >> So what's that about? >> So he think he went in the garage.
>> He bent down and picked something up and then he walked into the the house and he
took 2 minutes inside the house. >> Yep. >> And I think what he was doing was making
sure he had that ring. Probably taking a second to say, "Fuck, now I got to come
up with the cover story quicker." >> Yep. >> And then he opens the door and he's a
[ __ ] wreck. >> Yep. Now, the next day, August 14th, Chris was still completely nonchalant
about this whole thing. And he kept anytime somebody asked him like, "How you doing? Like, what's going on?" He
was like, "Yeah, not too bad." >> Slept with the lights on. The whole the whole house. I just kept all the lights
on. And I was like, "Oh, slept." >> Wow. That must mean you're sad. >> How would you I if my entire family was
gone, I wouldn't get a [ __ ] wink of sleep unless I It just happened to me. Sleep would never come to me until my
body shut down >> or I would die. Exactly. Like that would because there comes a time where your
body's like, "Hey buddy, you're going to die if you don't go to sleep." And it'll
just force you into sleep. That's when my body would sleep. Exactly. >> And I would be sitting up all night
outside on my porch just waiting for anything by the phone. >> Yep. Calling people, calling the police
every [ __ ] time. >> I'd have my phone plugged in. I'd I'd be the police's worst nightmare in that
scenario because I'd be calling every 20 minutes, can I do anything >> like heard from anyone?
>> Or you'd be driving around looking for them. You wouldn't be sleeping with the
lights on. >> And Nicole, the mistress, even said a couple of times she it bothered her that
he was like, "Oh, I went to sleep at this time." And she was like, "You slept?" >> Like what? Weird. But that's on August
14th is when he gave the infamous interview on the porch we talked about last time where he showed no human
behavior at all. >> Just swallowing, blinking, and gritting his teeth. >> Exactly. Now, later that afternoon, he
had a press conference. He appeared at a press conference, too. >> That was another mistake.
>> Um, and to discuss the whole thing, and he said, "I'm hoping right now that she's somewhere safe. It's not something
I could ever ever fathom would happen in my lifetime, and I have no inclination of where she is." lie. She said she was
going to a friend's house with the kids and that's the last thing I heard and that was it. It was very vague.
>> Also, that's another story he's clinging to is after he told her he wanted to
separate and sell the house, they got into an emotional conversation is how he described it. I was like, an emotion,
you haven't met an emotion. >> And then he says that she told her him that she was going to take the kids to a
friend's house at 4:00 a.m. >> Yep. >> Okay. Mhm. and that and he loves to say he says it several times to very vague,
>> but she wouldn't give me the information. >> If he was going to be leaving for work,
she would have just stayed home with the kids cuz she's away from him. >> She would have got up. You're going to
work, >> got them ready at a normal time, gone through the motions, and then got them
out of the house before he got home from work. >> Like, what are you talking about?
>> It doesn't make And also, you know, all her friends. >> So weird. Like, it's just not.
>> And you didn't press her. >> No, he's texting her. Where are you? >> Yeah. >> You just said she told you you're at a
friend's house. >> Yeah. >> So, and also you disenrolled your kids from school in the morning. So, um
>> you just think they're at her friend's house. >> Yeah. Like [ __ ] You just ended their
education cuz they're at a friend's they had a play date. So, you ended their education right there.
>> Wild. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. Now, everyone at this point, including myself at this
point in 2018, >> was it when it popped up on my [ __ ] TV screen and I said, "That guy did it.
>> The husband did it. >> Everyone was saying this guy is fucked." Everyone saw it. Everyone.
>> Yep. >> Everyone was wondering how he was managing to show zero concern or worry
for his pregnant wife and two young children. There is something to be said >> for not judging how people react in
certain situations, >> but in this situation, there is not an innocent person on earth who would react
even close to how he did or not react. No, >> there is just I won't judge in certain
situations. I'm judging so hard that my name is Judy in this situation. >> Judith Shinley
>> is not a human. There is no parent who would react this way if they were innocent.
>> No. >> Just no parent on earth. >> You have to be guilty to act this way. >> No.
>> No family related to those babies on earth would act that way. >> Nobody. >> Her best friend showed more emotion than
her husband did. >> Not even related to you. >> Yeah. The next day, August 15th, Chris
agreed to take a polygraph. >> That was a mistake. >> Normally, we say polygraphs are hot dogs
in a trench coat. This one, I'm willing to say, was pretty effective. >> You said yesterday, investigator in a
trench coat. >> Investigator in a trench coat. >> Uh, once again, he ran through the story
that he' given the detectives the day before, and just before 3 p.m., he sat down for it.
>> Now, the polygraph session was pretty, it wasn't like super long. It didn't have a lot of questions. And that wasn't
because they didn't have a lot of questions for him. He just failed so incredibly that they didn't need to ask
anymore. They were like, "Yep, he did it." >> He failed so spectacularly that the
needle went off the page. >> And that's not hyperbolic. That's >> it. Literally went off the page. Uh,
agent FBI agent Tammy Lee said, "For someone who was a trutht teller, we would consider them to be a grade two or
higher, and we would consider someone to be deceptive if they were -4 or below."
>> Chris Watts scored -18. [ __ ] is almost five times over a liar. >> Yeah. What they normally see with
someone that's deceptive, he was so deceptive that he was almost five times off. That's wild. Like that's there's
Fibon, >> there's Lion, there's Boldface Lion, and then there's Chris Watts. >> And then there's Chris Watts. And he and
all the questions were things that he simply biologically could not lie about. Do you know where your wife is? No. Do
you know where your kids are? No. Did you hurt them? No. Off the page. Like off the page.
So after this, they're reviewing the results. and agents Tammy Lee and Graham Coder confront him with the results and
with the other evidence that raised a lot of questions about whether he was telling the truth or not. And eventually
Chris admitted to having an affair with Nicole, not Nicole Atinson, Nicole Kessinger, like how'd we get there, bud?
But he said, "I don't have anything to do with Shannan and the girl's disappearance." They didn't ask him
about the affair. They also didn't polygraph him about the affair. The affair was literally never mentioned
until they were like, "Hey, where is your family?" And he was like, "Well, I am um [ __ ] a coworker." And they were
like, "Why are you telling us this?" Like, "That has nothing to do with what we're asking." But he was so eager to
gush about his side piece. It's actually so cringy. Oh, >> how this happens. And I think the agents
were like, "Is this real?" Like, you can see in the transcript that they're like,
>> "Please stop talking about your mistress." like why why are you talking about this? Now Chris says, so they're
asking, they're like, "Where's your family?" Because they were like, "Yeah, no, we don't want we don't want to talk
about your mistress, Chris. Where's your family?" And he says, "She she was wonderful." Meaning Nicole, not his
wife. >> What? He said she was a wonderful person who knew he was married. Oops. That's
contradictory. >> And he was having issues in his marriage. Chris said he told her he was
going to get separated from Shannan. Not that he was separated. He was going to.
>> Yeah. planning on it, but he didn't know what that was going to look like. Chris
said she took his breath away and he never thought in a million years something like that could happen. Chris
said he never felt the same way about anyone in his lifetime as he did about her.
>> So, not the mother of his three children, one unborn. >> So, Agent Coder says, "Hey, we don't
think your girlfriend hurt anyone." And then he says, "Could we leave her out of
this and get back to talking about your wife and daughters? Can we talk about maybe where your kids are
>> um editorializing this? That is a transcript >> that I'm reading you. >> Oh my god.
>> Chris says, "Oh yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, we can get back to talking about that."
And he says, "Cool." And he says, "Where are your wife and children located?" And
Chris said, "I don't know." The affair was the only thing that I was holding back on, by the way. He can't stop
talking about it. And agent coder, it literally says reminded Chris that he was not questioned about the infidelity
on the polygraph. He's like, "Hey, bro, you don't actually even have to tell us about that right now. We haven't even
got there yet." So, we're still on the um where's your wife and kids? So, that this is literally how this happened.
They said, "Hey, where are your wife and kids?" And he was like, "I did have an affair." And they were like, "Wo, that's
crazy." Um we are the FBI though, so like we know that. And then he said, um, let's not talk about this. Let's talk
about your wife. She's just, you know, my mistress is a wonderful person. She's great.
>> Takes my breath away. >> She took my breath away. Never in a million years thought this could happen.
I I could never feel this, you know, in a lifetime about how she looks. And they're they're like, "Okay, can we not
I we don't think she killed your family. So, can we just talk about your wife and
family?" And he's like, "Absolutely." And they're like, "Where are they?" And you're like, "Yeah, I don't know." Uh, I
did have an affair, though, just so you guys know. Um, and she is great and I've
never felt anything like I felt with her. And then at the end of it, Agent Coder says, "Chris, we know about your
girlfriend. Here's her date of birth and where she lives." >> Oh my god. >> You don't have to tell us anymore
because you remember that we're the FBI. >> Do you know what that stands for, Chris?
>> We're the FBI. Did you think we one didn't know you were having an affair? We have all of your records. We've been
following you. And two, do you think I can I I know what Nicole is doing right now. I'm the FBI. He's like, we got a
tail on her right now. He's like, [ __ ] she was looking up wedding dresses a couple of days ago. Did you know that? I
know that. I'm the FBI. >> You getting married? >> I know that. Like, you idiot. You're
sitting there being like, "Affair, affair, affair." And they're like, "Your family's missing. Can we talk about that
affair, affair, affair?" >> And then they have to tell you, "Babe, we know." And you still can't stop
yourself. >> And he's like, "Oh." Like it's the cringiest interaction. >> He's like, "But my affair though." And
it further shows you how much he doesn't care about his family. No, >> all he cares about is wiping that out
and starting some new life with Nicole Kessinger. >> Well, it's so interesting, too, and sad.
We I don't know if we mentioned this in part one, but I saw something that said like um one of his former cellmates said
he gets >> Oh, yeah. This is disgusting. Gets letters for women women all the time and
like >> Yeah, they're in the discovery documents. They send him like bikini pics and [ __ ] like that.
>> You're a [ __ ] freak if you do that. Like something's wrong with you. You shouldn't have access you shouldn't have
access to the tools that that a letter writes. >> He smothered his two babies and killed
his pregnant wife and dumped them in an oil. I think if you do that [ __ ] something is [ __ ] wrong with you.
>> Yeah, you're probably not fixable. >> Yeah. No, >> but sorry. >> You're just not. So that that cellmate
though said like he becomes so obsessed with one particular woman and he will like write her a 15page letter back and
like talk non-stop about her and like literally it's like compulsive. So I feel like that was Shenan because
remember in part one like exactly he pursued her he was like please give me another chance doo he played the doting
husband he had you I don't think he pro who knows if he wanted to have kids but Shannan did so he did cuz that's what
like he will just bend to be whoever they want and then when he doesn't want to do that anymore and the next quote
unquote in his eyes best thing comes along >> he that's why the mask drops so quickly
>> yeah cuz he was like he was conforming to what he needed to conform to, which
now he's cheating on his wife and his whole family. So, he's like this bad guy. So, he's like, I'm going to be a
bad guy. >> Let me play this role now. >> I'm going to play this role now. >> But it's like that's why the mask just
like falls to the floor and shatters because he just attaches immediately to this next person
>> because he did at one point Nicole said in one of the interviews she did state
that she always believed he was more into her than he she was to him. I don't know about that because I got you
googling wedding dresses for two hours. >> Well, that's the thing. You were googling like marrying your mistress and
like all that stuff. >> So, like it sounds like you were pretty into him. >> So, I don't know about that. I'm not in
the relationship so I can't say it's I'm just looking at context clues here, but
I'm sure he probably was because there was like um he would give her cards where he would write these long like
love letter things in there and he always had lyrics in them. He's like a lyric guy.
>> Okay. And that's not a bad thing like for nice people. It's it's a gross thing
for Chris >> Watts. Everything is gross when it comes to Chris Watts. It's not necessarily
gross for other people. It's just he makes it gross. >> And I that's the thing is I'm like don't
do that cuz I don't want that to be a gross. >> I know cuz I'm like I love lyrics.
>> I like lyrics. Yeah. >> But he would he like gushed to her and like spilled like so he was like he was
obsessed with her. >> It's also just very like >> like juvenile coded. >> Yeah. He's very stunted.
>> He is very stunned. >> He's very stunted. And I I wonder why. Um so I don't know why. So
>> who knows? >> I have no idea. >> There's no evidence. >> Um none. So the agents continue to
pepper him with questions for hours, but he maintained his innocence throughout the whole thing. Then as a last ditch
attempt to get any truth from him, they start saying they start doing this thing
that I think is very very smart. But you have to explain like you did. >> When you first watch it, you go, "Why
the [ __ ] did you do that? You just gave him an idea." >> Because that was my response. But I'm
glad that you explained this the way that you did. >> These agents were really smart the way
they did this. So they they were telling him, you know, I can see it on your face, Chris.
>> I can tell that that there's something you want to get off your chest. I can see it in your eyes. I know it's hard to
hold on to these things. People make mistakes. We're not going to judge you. We're here to help you through it. Like
things happen. Uh things can be tough. Blah blah blah. And that part I all got. Like I've seen that done. But then they
say, "Did she su Did Chenan do something to those girls?" >> And that's when I was like, "Why the
[ __ ] would you even put that in there?" >> Now, the reason they did that, cuz he
immediately, you can tell it's like he's like, "No, no, but you can tell it's like
>> it's not emphatically." He's like just rolling it around in his head and they
keep kind of asking like, "Did that happen? Like, you got to tell us." What they're doing is they're presenting an
option that is more acceptable. That if she did something to those kids, of course you were going to kill her and
he's the hero. You're a father. You protect your kids. Of course you were going to defend them. So they're
presenting him with this. You can be the hero, Chris, >> while also admitting to murdering your
wife. >> So just tell us that you did it and we'll help you through itar and no one
will call you a bad guy. In fact, people will probably love you because you protected your children from a monster.
>> Meanwhile, it's not occurring to Chris that another one of his children was in
his wife's belly at this time. >> Oh, yeah. That doesn't ever I don't think he gave a [ __ ] about that in any
way, shape, or form. But the big thing here is that now that they get if once they get him to say, "Yes, I killed her
because she killed the kids." Now they've pinned him with murder. >> Mhm. regardless of what was going on.
They know that he's not going to be able to prove that. There is zero evidence to
show that and that once they got him there, then they can start pushing him down the the alley of, "Okay, well, you
already admitted to killing her >> and just pulling little threats >> and we can start saying, well, we do
have this evidence that says you did it, and we do have that." And it's much easier to push them down that alley once
you've got them over the hump of, "Yes, I did murder someone," >> right? Cuz then you can keep them.
>> It was smart. It could, it's a risk and it can backfire, but I think it worked
really well in this instance because he starts kind of cracking a little bit. He
doesn't say it and then they can see that. And again, another smart move is they go, "Do you want to talk to your
dad?" >> They remember his dad is like he felt the one person that truly understood him
and they're super close. >> Yep. So they bring him into the interrogation room and they say, "We're
going to leave you two alone so you can talk." which like you're never alone in it until you're being filmed.
So Chris talks to his dad and his dad is genuine in the beginning like trying to
be like what happened like just tell me what happened >> and he tells his father that he had seen
Shannan that morning before he left for work and his dad is like you know cuz his dad has heard this so he's like did
she do something like what happened did you do something like what's going on >> just tell me what's happening
>> and he claimed they had another argument about their marriage and when he came
downstairs he found Shannan had smothered the girls to death because she was he was she was so mad that he wanted
to separate that she murdered her children. Um, and he tells his father, "And I freaked out and hurt her." Now,
according to Chris, after he strangled Jan and wrapped her in the top sheet that was missing and then took her body
and the bodies of Bella and Celeste out to the truck, that's when he drove out to one of the oil tanks his company
owned in the middle of a remote area. And after burying Shannan in a shallow grave, he placed the girls' bodies into
each tank, then sealed them up and drove to work like nothing happened. >> Why would that be your response in any
world >> precisely? >> Why would that be what you did? >> Well, so now he's confessed to the
murder of Shannan, but he's swearing he had nothing to do with the murder of the
children. But there are about a billion things in this confession that everyone said no. At one point he even looks at
his dad and he says, "Why does this why did this happen to me? Why did this happen to those two little girls? Why
did it happen to you?" >> Nice that you asked it about yourself first. >> Not even the kids first. Just why did
this happen to me? I mean, why did this happen to those two little girl? I'm like, you can't even human. You don't
know how to human. >> No, you don't know how to father. >> He can't even kind of He doesn't even
stumble into humaning at any point. Which is even crazier cuz I feel like a robot even stumbles into humaning every
once in a while. Like >> honestly, >> AI can human more than Chris Watts can human.
>> Y >> like truly. And several times the interrogators tried to get him to admit
what he did to Celeste and Bella after this. And they noted they and I this was another thing I was glad they did. They
looked right at him and they said, "Listen, we're not going to feel right if Shannan, a murder victim who cannot
defend herself, takes the rap for murdering her own children if she didn't do it." We know she didn't
>> and they cuz they know it and they're trying to appeal to him now by being like listen you can't pin this on a
mother who didn't do it. She'll she's dead. Like her legacy is going to be murdering her own baby girls
>> and you're going to let that happen and he says I'm fine with it. >> Of course he is. He doesn't give a [ __ ]
about her anymore. >> Totally fine. >> Diabolically [ __ ] up. fine with Shannan being known as a mother who
smothered her children to death because she was mad at the husband for wanting to separate things fine with her going
down like that. >> And because he said that there are people that believe that like they're
insane and they're like are not educated on this case. >> Anybody who thinks Chris Watts is
innocent in any way, shape, or form, I don't want to hear anything from you. I don't want to hear anything.
>> But how [ __ ] up is that? Willful ignorance is what >> he was okay doing that and did it. Yeah,
he was warned that there even when warned about the consequences. >> Exactly. >> He did not care
>> and he said that's fine. But they also pointed out something that was interesting and really good too. And
they were playing on the fact that he is not a parent. >> Like he's not a human. He's not a
father. Cuz they said, you know, here's the thing. And they said, so when you came
downstairs, what did you see? And he said he said Shenan was on top of Cece. >> Now again, this is him. He lied.
>> Yeah. And they said, "Okay." And they and he said, "So I grabbed her and I strangled her. I was just so angry. Like
I could I saw those girls and blah blah blah." And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, totally." And then they're like, "Um, no
parent is ever going to accept that their children are dead. They're just not." And they said, "Certainly not
enough to dump them in tanks of oil." >> Like, they're just not. And so they said, "It's strange to me." They said,
"Did you try CPR? Did you try life-saving, reviving them? like anything on them >> which you would
>> and he said no and they were like that's weird to me like agent coder was like
I'm sorry I can't understand that I would do everything I could to bring my child back to life and they said you
didn't call an ambulance to try to revive them >> nope and they were like that's weird
that's weird and he was like I was scared and they were like yeah parents don't get scared over their love for
their children like you don't pick scared over love for child and they were like especially it just doesn't make
sense to me. And he's like, "I don't know. I was scared." >> Okay. Yeah, you're right.
>> It makes absolutely no sense. >> Now, meanwhile, as this is happening, police had discovered the body of
Shannan. Uh she was buried the top of like where she her body was 8 in under the dirt. That's a shallow shallow.
Calling that a shallow grave is actually generous. >> Yeah, it's a divot. And she was found
about 100 feet from the large oil tanks at the Anadarko oil well site near Rockin Colorado where he just worked all
day. Yep. Or would have worked all day. >> Yeah. He was around employees that day
at that site feet away from where his children were laying in an oil tank and he was joking with them. They everyone
at that site said he didn't act even slightly off. >> That's unreal to me. >> Nothing was different.
Now, they found them because he had gone to that site that morning and worked there and he had his truck was a work
truck. It had GPS on it, >> right? >> So, they followed the GPS. >> He didn't think through any of this.
>> No. >> And that's why it's wild that like this was planned. >> Yeah. Like >> he thought he really thought he was
going to be able to he really had was that he was going to murder them. >> Yeah. And he thought he could go home
and just get rid of anything that said, >> but it wasn't meticulously planned. Remember one thing about this that I
will give like for this to be part of the plan. He was going to that site anyways,
>> right? >> So his GPS showing that he went there isn't the thing that tipped them off.
>> Exactly. >> It's just been there anyway. >> They're going backwards and they're
following his trail because they are now just investigating different things. >> So this wouldn't have tipped them off.
So this could be he this is part of the plan of Well, I'm going there anyway. >> So [ __ ] stupid. Now, they did an
aerial search. From the air, they spotted a piece of sheet that Shannan was wrapped in and buried in. Uh, it was
sticking up from the dirt, and they said, "Hey, there's some fabric." Uh, they were able to determine that the
sheet was from the missing set that they found in the trash. >> Um, and during that search, Chris
confessed it like that he had killed Shannan. It was happening like at the same time. So, they're finding the sheet
and then he immediately confessed >> and he said he disposed of their bodies at this site. So he they took a picture
of this site from the air and sent it to the police station and he wrote their initials on where they were.
>> Oh my god. >> Um one on each tank because something that like really upset both of us
yesterday, I think Ash didn't know. >> No. >> Was that he dumped Celeste and Bella in
separate tanks. >> I never knew that. >> And for some reason, I mean, everything
about that just shatters >> him dropping them in an oil tank alone. But to separate them and
>> to separate them >> from their not only from their mother, but from each other is
>> like they were just alone >> in those oil tanks. A four-year-old and a three-year-old.
>> And why did you throw them in oil? I shouldn't even say throw them. Why did you shove them in oil tanks?
>> But we'll get there. Now, on August 16th, they went back and completely drained the tanks of crude oil. And this
is going to get rough. I'm again, I'm not going to be super graphic about it. The discovery documents are very graphic
about this search and I warn you that ahead of time. When you if you are reading them and you get to this point,
I suggest you skip over it. It's horrific and I wish I had never seen it. >> Um, that's when they found Celeste and
Bella in each tank >> and they were able to get them out. Um, autopsies concluded that the death of
Shenan was manual strangulation. Although her hyoid bone was not broken, he just knew what to press on to stop
breathing. And the deaths of Bella and Celeste were violent and horrific esphyxiation due to smothering.
>> And he smothered them with their favorite blankets. >> Mhm. >> And Bella fought back really hard
because Bella was the last one killed. Bella's the four-year-old, so she had seen what happened. So
Bella's last I'm going to cry again. >> Yeah. No, of course you are. Bella's last moments were seeing this
nightmarish and that like ruins me. Like I just like I don't >> I don't get how somebody does this. I
don't get it. >> She They're all >> And that's like that's half of you. You created those beings.
>> That's the thing. How would you not die for those babies? >> And how do you kill them?
>> Oh, how do you do that? I can't even raise my voice at my children without apologizing after.
>> I don't I don't know. >> I just don't >> I don't get it. >> And there were injuries as well from
being shoved through an 8 in hole that neither of them could fit through comfortably.
So, he had to further hurt them. And he just didn't care. He just didn't care. And then he worked by those tanks. He's
a [ __ ] monster. He's a disgusting, irredeemable, monstrous piece of [ __ ] And if there is
a hell, he will see it. >> He's in it. >> And honestly, if there is a hell, I hope
he sees it every day. >> He does. >> Yeah. And you He has said that he does. >> Oh, he said he's haunted.
>> And I hope he actually is. I hope he's not just >> He sees the visions every day. And I
hope it gets worse and worse. I hope those visions never fade. And I hope they get clearer and clearer. I hope
they drive him to complete and utter madness >> and that he loses his [ __ ] mind.
>> I hope it's the same thing like Brian Coberger in the Idaho 4 where he's losing his mind at night cuz none of the
inmates will let him sleep. >> That's what you get when you murder. >> I hope that he's getting that.
>> Now, there was a report that I saw that was on August 18th, just going through
the timeline. And that just gives you another after you've just heard that gives you another indication of how
little he cared and how much he knew that he was probably going to get caught. There was a friend, a mutual
friend of both of them, a guy named Christopher Rusk. Um, and he found out that the family was missing and he
hadn't heard anything yet. And he had reached out to Chris, this was a few days prior, and was saying like, "Oh my
god, I'm so sorry if there's anything I can do." And he said, "The only thing that Chris said to him was, quote, I
shouldn't have talked to the media." >> What the [ __ ] >> And he actually went to the police with
that and said, "This was weird." >> Yeah. >> So, everyone around him was like, "This
is weird. >> I shouldn't have talked to the media." He basically just said, "Well, I'm
fucked." >> Yeah. >> On August 19th, the police department got an email from someone. And this is
this is just a strange thing that I found that I had there was no ver like nothing came after this. Nobody found
this person, but it's still in the documents. And I thought it was a strange thing to see. I was like, "Huh?"
>> Yeah. >> So, the police department on August 19th got an email from someone at family
heatinga.com. And it was saying that Chris was having an affair with a woman, not Nicole
Kessinger, whose ex-husband he worked with at this oil company. and they spoke and interacted through a secret
calculator app, >> which is >> this is interesting because that information had not been revealed that
he talked to Nicole Kessinger through a secret calculator app. I don't know about anyone else, but in 2018, I wasn't
hearing about a secret calculator app that was flying around for people to cheat on their spouses.
>> I wasn't. >> So, it's weird that she said this. >> Mhm. >> And I'm like, this is weird. like as was
he having multiple affairs and this person just didn't come forward or what? >> Maybe
>> like it's very strange. >> It's weird. >> But on August 19th, the same day, Nicole
Kessinger, like we were saying she knew she knew Google. >> Yeah. >> Does everybody remember Amber Fry?
>> Of course. Amber Fry, in case you don't know, >> affair, >> Amber Fry was unknowingly having an
affair with Scott Peterson, who murdered his wife, Lacy Peterson, >> and their unborn child.
>> And their unborn child, Connor. >> Amber, by all accounts and by all the things that they researched and saw, did
not know that he had this whole other life. >> Didn't know he was married at all.
>> Did not know he was married. And >> in the investigation, >> and she wore a wire, she did like she
really tried to get him caught. Um, so she had a different vibe. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so everybody just kind of rallied
around her cuz damn, that's traumatic. >> Yeah. >> Now Kessinger on a August 19th googled
did people hate Amber Fry, things about Amber Fry's net worth and things about her book deal.
If this lady >> woman thought that she was getting a [ __ ] book deal, >> that's I'm like,
>> what are you going to write? Well, you thought you were gonna write about this
like you had any insight and that I'm I'm sorry that you deserve >> that's the thing that comes from that.
>> What the [ __ ] You knew that he was married with children whether or not he was separated
>> having an affair with him. >> You knew he had children and you were having an affair.
>> You knew you had to interact in private. You knew that this wasn't okay. >> Like that's that's the thing.
That's a completely different scenario. >> So that was interesting to me that's in
the discovery. >> And this was another thing that I saw in the Discovery that I never saw mentioned
somewhere was on August 20th. So, so the day after the police got um in touch with somebody named Addie who was
friends with them with friends with Shannan and she said on August 14th, which is the day after they went
missing, >> the day after he murdered them, >> there was an email that Chris responded
to on that day and it was concerning to her because she said his family was missing at this point. Chris received an
email about fantasy football and on the day after his family was missing, he responded with, "I'm in. I'm in." He got
an email about a fantasy football league and he said, "I'm in." >> The day after his family is missing,
>> he's ready to start this new chapter of his life. He's going to fantasy football. He's going to Yeah. He can
spend his money on whatever he wants now cuz he already unenrolled his children in daycare after killing them. Mhm. I'm
in. >> I'm in. >> The day while your family's missing. >> I've already started looking at my my
people that I want to >> You wouldn't catch me answering emails. >> No. If I was and not join and not
joining fantasy football leagues. >> You wouldn't see the Gmail app open on my phone.
>> Now, what if that just blew? This is the kind of [ __ ] that you need to see cuz
you need to know how diabolically awful this piece of [ __ ] is. I'm in. >> I'm in. Now, a few days later, Chris
Watts was arraigned on account of first-degree murder in the death of Shannan and one count of causing the
death of an unborn child. Uh, at his arraignment, Chris's attorney, James Merson, argued that he had killed his
wife in a fit of rage after witnessing her kill their two daughters. Merson also petitioned the judge to require the
district attorney to require DNA testing on the necks of the two girls, but that
was rejected on the grounds that the judge does not have the authority to tell the prosecution how to conduct
their investigation. >> And it probably wouldn't have worked anyway because he shoved his two
children in an oil tank. So that would have disturbed some DNA. >> It absolutely did. Now, from the moment
he offered up this story about Shannan killing Bella and Celeste, nobody believed that. Nobody believed that.
>> It doesn't make any sense. There was no one that believed that and there was also no evidence to support that story.
>> Well, also, this is something that we said yesterday that we forgot to mention
today, that security camera footage that Nate has shows two little shadows going
on. >> It does. I don't think it shows two little shadows, but it shows more than
just his shadow. Like, there's movement that you can see that clearly >> they're alive. Like, there's more than
just getting into the car. It's not just Chris moving about. Like, it just doesn't there's no evidence to show
that. And despite this, the district attorney Michael Ror decided to take a chance on getting a further confession
from Chris. At a meeting in early October, Chris was informed that the prosecutor intended to pursue the death
penalty, as they should. >> Uh, but he was willing to take that off the table if Chris was willing to tell
them what really happened that night, which I think was brilliant. >> Right. Finally, under threat of
execution, Chris confessed that Shannan had nothing to do with their daughter's murders and he was just going to let her
take the fall for it. And it was the in fact Chris who had killed them. >> How nice that he had a choice in not
getting executed. >> Yeah, exactly. Now, what had happened that night, like I said earlier, he
drove them 45 minutes alive. He told them that mommy's sick and needs to go to the hospital.
put them in the car and drove them 45 minutes and could have changed his mind. Once he dumped Shannan's body into the
dirt, he smothered Cece with her favorite blanket in front of Bella. Bella again fought him. I'm not going to
go into any more detail than that. I'm not going to say any of like last words or anything because it's pure horror. If
you read it and you hear about it and you hear this [ __ ] too, this [ __ ] who later confessed every detail of
this, when you hear him say it, it'll turn your stomach in a way that I is hard to recover from. So, I don't
suggest listening to it. >> Does he have any emotion when he says it? >> He doesn't give a [ __ ] And it's just
the the details of that moment are so horrifying. >> Well, that's not what anybody needs to
remember about those kids. >> It's not. And that's the it's the worst kind of horror. And I'm just so sorry to
their family. Yeah. Like I'm so sorry. Every the whole time I was reading these things, I was just like,
>> I'm so sorry. >> Yeah. >> Like I'm so sorry that this man who you thought was protecting your family and
was a part of your family >> was the monster that your kids feared. >> Yeah. >> And didn't even know it. Like I'm so so
sorry. It just >> like Yeah. Now, on November 19th, 2018, Chris appeared before a judge for
sentencing. By then, the charges against him were now three counts of first-degree murder, two counts of
causing the death of a child under 12, as well as one count of unlawful termination of a pregnancy, and three
counts of tampering with a deceased human body. >> Wow. >> Now, at sentencing, Michael Roor urged
that maximum penalty of life in prison be imposed. Good. And he said, he told the jury, "What must the part that Yeah,
this is a lot. What must Bella, age four, or Celeste, age three, have thought when their father, the one man
on earth supposed to nurture and protect them, smotherthered them to death?" >> And And it's true.
>> Yeah. >> Like, you don't even want to think about that. You're like, I But I keep thinking
about it. Like, how do you stop thinking about it? >> Knowing that that's what happened, how
do you not think about We got to after we record this one for the second time, I have to get a far away from this case.
I need to get far away from this case. It's horrific. >> And it what kills me is that the family
and the friends can't get away from it. >> No, it's their reality. >> Like I'm saying, I need to get away from
this. I need to go like read something. I need to just like get it out of my brain. But this is what he did to them.
But they live with this every [ __ ] day. and pe that people who loved him and trusted him to take care of those
children and take care of Shannan >> and be a husband and a father. >> They live with their absence every day.
So, it's a reminder every single day to them of what happened >> and he's still here.
>> Like that's and he's still here in protective custody like the little [ __ ] that he is.
>> Truly >> just But you know what? He's scared every second. >> He's pissing his pants every second. I
just feel like don't protect him. He didn't protect anybody. >> No, nobody protected those little girls.
>> His duty >> and nobody and his duty as a husband was to protect his wife and his children at all costs
and he didn't. So why are taxpayer dollars >> Yeah. >> protecting him? >> Exactly.
>> Why? >> Why? >> I don't want to f I mean, I'm not in Colorado, but I don't want to [ __ ]
pay for that. >> Yeah. >> Nobody should pay for that. >> No. >> Give him one Give him one day out. It'll
be fine. Give him a day he deserves, you know. That's all. >> Let karma serve its purpose.
>> Yeah. Just let the let the chips fall where they may, you know. >> That's all I have to say.
>> Judge Marcelo Copcow shared everybody's outrage and disgust with Chris Watts. Um
he said, "This is perhaps the most inhumane and vicious crime I have handled out of the thousands of cases
I've seen." >> Can't even imagine. Nothing less than a maximum sentence would be appropriate.
And with that, he sentenced Chris Watts to three life terms for the murders and an additional 84 years for the other
crimes. So this [ __ ] is spending three life sentences plus 84 years. I honestly
like part of me hopes that he lives such a long life. >> Yeah. >> And I hope he thinks about it every day.
>> Absolutely terrorized because he doesn't get to he doesn't deserve to get to move
on to the afterlife anytime soon. No >> and be rid of this. >> No. And before Chris was removed to
begin serving his sentence, the families of both Chris and Shannan were given the
opportunity to speak. These ones are rough, but I feel like they're important. >> They're heavy, but yeah, their words
should be said. >> So Frankie, Shannan's uh brother >> said, honestly, this one really gets me.
We beg the district attorney to spare your life because we believe no one has the right to take the life of another,
even someone like you. Why? Why would you do this? You don't deserve to be called a man. What part of what kind of
person slaughters the people who love him the most? Did you really think you'd get away with this? Did you really think
that this was your best option to throw away your family like they were garbage?
They deserve better and you know it. I hope you spend the rest of your life staring at the ceiling every night being
haunted by what you've done. You took away my family from this earth, but you can never take them from my heart. This
is the part that really kills me. You took away my privilege of being an uncle to the most precious little girls
I had ever known. [ __ ] That always gets me. >> Yeah, of course. >> It's like I'm so glad that that they got
to say exactly what they wanted to him though. And who knows how it impacted him because I don't know if he's even
impactable. >> But I hope it [ __ ] him up. >> I hope it did. >> Her father, Frank Jun, uh Senior said,
"I trusted you to take care of them, not kill them." And they also trusted you, you heartless monster. You have to live
with this vision every day of your life. And I hope you see it every time you close your eyes at night. Now, in her
statement, Cindy Watts, Chris's mother, >> barely reading sorrow for everything.
And she said, "As your mother, I have always loved you and I still do. I hate what has happened, but we will remain
faithful as your family. We love you and forgive you, son." It's so bad that you
have to say what has happened. You didn't even say what you've done. Use use a more like forceful terms. Don't
make it passive like he didn't have something to do with it. What has happened? Nothing happened, babe.
Nothing happened. >> I hate that you have done this to our family. >> Murdered his family.
>> Also, you want to say, "I will always love you cuz I'm your mother." Yeah, I get it. I will always love my kids. I
don't care like no matter what, of course. >> But to sit there and say what happened
like he didn't do it. And also to say, "I forgive you." No one gives a [ __ ] that you stand in front of her family
and say that you forgive the guy who murdered their daughter >> who you didn't like and continue to
disparage >> and continue to say you don't like. >> We can't get too far into that cuz I'll
get heated. >> Yeah, I'll get like super pissed. But there's she's done plenty of interviews
that say how she felt about Shannan since Shannan has been murdered. Yeah. >> Um, one thing I have to say is I don't
understand how she didn't get up there. Like I don't have children so I don't know how I feel how I will feel like
yeah or how I would feel in this situation but I feel like you could have gotten up there and said I will I'm your
mother. I still love you but I'm [ __ ] ashamed of you cuz I think you can still
love somebody like of course that doesn't go away but you can be ashamed and that one thing I believe is that
that woman should be ashamed of her son. >> Well and here's what I think should have
happened. Don't say anything. >> Yeah. >> Sit down. Yeah. And hey, continue to not
say anything. That's my advice. >> Yeah. Stop calling the media. >> Stop speaking about it.
>> Yeah. >> Because no one wants to hear his family's side of it. >> Nope. >> Don't talk about it.
>> Like that's >> it'd be different. It would be different if their reactions were different. But
we need to move on. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to get too far into it. >> N.
>> But I do want to end those statements with Sandy, who is Shannan's mother. She
said, "And this proves that the mask dropped. >> We loved you like a son. We trusted you.
Your faithful wife trusted you. Your children adored you and they also trusted you. Your daughter, Bella Marie,
sang a song proudly. I don't know if you got to see it, but it was, "Daddy, you're my hero. I have no idea who gave
you the right to take their lives, but I know God and his mighty angels were there at that moment to bring them home
to paradise." After everyone had been given the opportunity to speak, the judge instructed the deputies to take Chris
out of that [ __ ] courtroom >> and deliver him to the custody of the Colorado State Prison System where he
was going to begin serving a sentence >> where he was going to begin rotting. >> But a few months later,
>> Chris was transferred to Dodge Correctional Facility in Wisconsin after prison officials in Colorado became
concerned for his safety. He wasn't concerned with anybody else's safety, so why waste the money?
>> He should be concerned for his safety every [ __ ] second of every [ __ ] day for the entirety of his life.
>> He remains there to this day and is unlikely to be released. And like I said, just to remind you, he's scared
shitless for his life. Every second of every day, he barely sees sunlight. He's in isolation.
His life is miserable, and that's how it should be. He also recently, as recent as last year, 2025, he wrote a letter to
God. He's found uh religion. Honey, if God's around, he's not listening to your dumb ass. He does not like your ass. I
can tell you that much. He wrote a letter to God where he blamed uh women >> and mainly his mistress Nicole for what
happened. >> Nice. >> Um he said that she uh tempted him. >> Oh. because he's a little sniveling [ __ ]
>> with no self-control. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Totally. >> Um I He wrote, "I was misled. I was
tempted by a harlot. I was weak and I allowed myself to be fooled by an evil woman. She led me from the path of
righteousness. I know that you will deal with her someday. She will be judged. You know my heart, Lord. I am a man
after your heart. I seek your face. I allowed her to sway me." He also completely blamed just women for
everything. He called women harlots, jezebels, [ __ ] Okay, >> it's all their fault. Meanwhile,
>> it seems like he's really adjusting. >> He was cheating on his pregnant wife and
then murdered them all in cold blood. But like, yeah, it's women's fault. >> Yeah, totally. That's nice.
>> Should have known it when he looked at that police officer and said, "Cuz women,
>> honestly, >> when it made no sense." Um, there is also a paranormal aspect to this case,
which I'm not going to get super into. There's only a couple that I just wanted to point out because they are the only
ones that I was not able to immediately be like, well, maybe it's this, you know. Um,
>> so there's there's like two things. So, there's one, Sandy Shannan's mom received a text message after all of
this from an unknown number saying that the back door of your deceased daughter's house is open. and she
responded, "Who is this?" And they never responded to her. Like, that's [ __ ] up. So, the police were called to go
check. The door was closed, but the screen door was open, >> which is weird. >> And the garage light was on. And there's
no, it's not motion, nothing like that. It's like it was on. >> Like, you have to be in the garage to
turn it on. >> They were confused by all this, but seemed like no one had broken in.
Nothing else they could figure out, at least. And then later in the same day, Nate, the neighbor who like saved us all
with the surveillance video, >> right? >> He said that he got so other neighbors
had had told him that they were seeing lights going on in that house. >> Mhm. >> And so he said he looked at the
surveillance video and he saw a dark-haired woman walk up to the front door >> and not walk out.
>> So many times and it chills me to my core every time. >> And she never walked out. So the police
showed up again. They couldn't find anybody, but there were lights on. And when they went in there, they said like
a cabinet was opened, but that's it. And like they couldn't figure out anything else. It didn't look like anything was
like ransacked or taken. >> And there's no footage of the woman leaving. >> Yeah. And that footage isn't released.
They won't release it. >> Like maybe she went out the back. >> You would I think you would see though.
>> You Oh, okay. >> Cuz the door and the door was locked. >> Oh, yeah. I don't know. That's chilling.
And then like I think the garage the alarm was set and when they talked to Shannan's father he was like I didn't
set the alarm when I left last >> cuz there's nobody in the house. >> Like they why he literally he's like
there's nothing worth protecting in that house anymore. >> So why is the alarm set and who set it?
>> Yeah. Like it's very strange. >> And why? >> It's very very strange. >> Yeah.
>> I don't know. >> And then there's two other things. There's there's body cam footage from
afterwards with the K9 unit. >> This is the part that messes me up. >> And when they're walking into Shannan's
closet, you hear a very distinct giggle. A child's giggle. >> Loud. Very loud. Very distinctive. It
actually startles the officers. They all hear it. They all discuss it. >> And they try to recreate.
>> They try to recreate it. They're all very frazzled by it. They can't recreate
it. They don't know where it came from. It's very spoopy. >> One of them won't even go back in the
closet. >> Yeah. that's like clearly freaked out by it. And then the second one is the one
that really chills my bones cuz honestly with that first one I hope that's residual. Yeah, exactly. I hope it's res
residual energy because I really hope that >> like whatever their family believed in
like um Sandy said she hopes they're in paradise. I hope that's exactly where they are. Like I don't want to believe
and I honestly don't believe that they're stuck in that house. >> No, I don't believe that either. I think
if anything this was >> residual. I think this stuff too was as they were missing. Yeah, I'm pretty
sure. So, it was right after. And I wonder if it's just a burst of residual stuff, but they go into the main bedroom
at one point and you can hear this breathy whispering voice say, "This is our home." And it sounds like it's in
like despair. >> Yeah. It sounds like a very sad like, "This is our home." Like >> so sad. And it's And it's so clear. It
is. And it's just like I don't know what it is, but regardless of what it is, it's spooky and it's I don't know if
it's just energy that like was cuz I was gnarly energy in that house right then.
So, >> but it's very spooky. A lot of people talk about it. It's worth noting. >> Yeah.
>> Um >> but yeah, that that is the story of Chris Watts and it's even more horrifying than I initially
thought it would be somehow. >> Yeah, honestly. Um, and again, I just feel so sorry for anybody who knew them
who has to live this every day. >> I know. >> Uh, but I also want to make sure that
his version of the story is dispelled as often as humanly possible. >> Seriously. Um because [ __ ] he's a
monster and I am happy to never think of him again because also he likes to like
spin the story of like Shannan being doineering and almost tries to pin it on that like well she was just a hard woman
to live with and it's like first of all none of her friends say that everyone who knows her says that she was great
and it's like and two even if she was doineering >> get divorced still doesn't mean you kill
Like that's so like I I hate that [ __ ] too cuz it's like it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It has
nothing to do with anything. >> There's just no excuse for this. >> There's no excuse for it.
>> But yeah, it's a horrifying story >> and I never want to talk about it again.
>> Let's as a palette cleanser get to the fun fact part of the show. >> Yeah. >> To end this, um I feel like we all need
this fun fact. >> I desperately need it. Birds get drunk on fermented berries, particularly in
the late winter and early spring because uh thawing and freezing causes the berries to ferment.
>> I you had used this one yesterday and it was so welcome. >> Yeah, >> I love that.
>> It's very prevalent in the spring. In fact, >> I love that a lot. >> Yeah, >> because good for them.
>> We might have seen a drunk bird today, actually. >> They're just out there popping bottles.
>> You never know. Yeah, I saw a bird that that flew I was in the drive-thru and it
flew onto a branch, but the branch wasn't like heavy enough to support it. So, it had like a weird stumble moment
and then jumped on a regular branch and I was like, "Oh man, I bet he's so embarrassed and I hope he's not."
>> She's like, "I hope nobody saw that." >> I was like, "I'm not judging you. We've
all been there." >> Um, but yeah, that was a good fun fact. >> Yeah, I love birds.
>> Yeah. >> All right. We hope you keep listening and we hope you >> keep it weird.
>> And that's it. Not that weird, man. What do you do?

When thirty-four-year-old Shanann Watts missed a doctor’s appointment on August 13, 2018, her friends reported her missing to the Frederick, Colorado Police. When officers searched the home, they found Shanann’s car parked in the garage and her belongings—including her wallet, cell phone, and medication—were found in various spots around the house, but there was no sign of Shanann or the couple’s two children anywhere.

The next day, the FBI opened an investigation into the disappearance of Shanann, Bella and Celeste and Chris took to local television to give one of the most infamous and suspicious interviews of all time. He asked anyone with information about their whereabouts to come forward. The very next day however, Chris failed a polygraph exam and eventually confessed to murdering his wife, but he initially denied killing their children.

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Chris Watts Discovery Documents

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References

Baker, KC. 2018. Pregnant Woman and Her 2 Little Girls Vanish and Could Be in Danger, Authorities Say. August 15. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/colorado-pregnant-mom-daughters-vanish-medication-left/.

Glatt, John. 2020. The Perfect Father: The True Story of Chris Watts, His All-American Family, and a Shocking Murder.New York, NY: St. Martin's Press.

Helling, Steve. 2018. Pregnant Mom Vanishes, Husband Pleads for Help — Then 3 Bodies Turn Up: How Watts Family Murder Case Unfolded.September 18. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/shanann-chris-watts-family-murder-timeline/.

McDonnell-Parry, Amelia. 2018. "Colorado man claims he killed pregnant wife after she strangled their daughters." Roling Stone, August 20.

Swanson, Sady, and Nick Coltrain. 2018. "Christopher Watts sentenced to 3 life terms for murdering pregnant wife, 2 daughters." Fort Collins Coloradoan, November 20: 1.

Chris Watts Discovery Documents

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Brief Summary

Chris Watts murdered his wife and daughters; hosts discuss the case's details and emotional impact.

Key points

Emotional Toll of the Case. Elena reveals the emotional impact of the case, stating she cried multiple times during the recording. "I literally cried four times during the recording."
The 45 Minutes. A chilling reflection on the 45 minutes he had with his daughters before the tragedy.
The Role of Friends. The importance of friends in ensuring justice and preventing a cover-up.
Awakening at 4 a.m.. Chris wakes his wife at 4 a.m. to discuss separation, just hours after she returns home.
Chris's Disturbing Memories. Chris recalls only mundane memories of his children, revealing his emotional disconnect.
Sandy's Intuition. Shannan's mother suspects foul play and believes Chris is involved.

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