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well let me tell you let me tell you all about it okay sit back and relax Captain's taken over
the son of a [ __ ] died yeah after his trial he was immediately returned to prison to finish serving his
300-year sentence mhm on June 4th 1980 while working out in the prison yard he dropped dead at age
34 an autopsy States officially the cause of death was a massive heart attack he had severely clogged arteries
yeah but isn't there some conspiracy that maybe he was drugged yeah and we will get into that but the autopsy
States officially the cause of death was a massive heart attack uh Hart's attorney Garvin Isaacs was quickly
convinced that there was no foul play saying quote his death was natural he said that he looked into it himself the
medical examiner found 96 to 98% blockage in three of the arteries moreover Isaac said Hart had a family
history of heart problems his his brother died at age 38 of a heart attack and his father also died at a young age
of a heart condition right significantly though Hart's autopsy showed that indeed
his visectomy had failed he was still producing sperm mhm after after Hart's death the doctor compared sperm taken
from the murder autopsies with samples of Hart's sperm he earlier recovered from Hart's prison underwear and he said
that nothing he found changed the opinion that he had stated at the trial samples from Hart and from the bodies of
the three girls revealed quote similar numbers of deformed or decomposed sperm right and as you were mentioning
conspiracy theories about Hart being killed well they were abundant mhm and the thoughts were that he was either
killed by prison inmates or secretly by vengeful law enforcement right which we hear this all the time I mean hars
victims if if he's responsible for these murders the victims were kids and so there is you know kind of a what do they
call that P prison Justice yes that takes place according to Dick Wilkerson the former OSBI investigator who wrote
the book Someone cried for the children a large amount of cyanide was confiscated from prisoners at the
mallister state prison the day before Hart died over 1,000 people attended Jee Hart's funeral and no one else was ever
charged with the Girl Scout murders no one else being ever charged but we have a list of other suspects we need to go
through yeah the guilt or innocence of Jean Hart is still one of the most hotly debated Topics in Oklahoma legal circles
today but if Jee Hart didn't do it who did so Camp Scott officials reported seeing strange men around the camp in
the days before the murders Ben Woodward saw some men near a stream running through the camp and on the night of the
murder Barbara and Richard day left the camp to buy milk around 7:30 p.m. yeah they later reported seeing a car parked
with four occupants right outside the gates to the camp the possibilities of others seem endless unless you think
about the familiarity killer would have had to have had with the layout of Camp Scott then even those that believe that
Jee Hart was the killer questioned if Hart could have done it by himself did he act alone yeah well you have three
victims and this is what makes it difficult because how could one person subdue all three little victims at once
and then three killed and carried some distance away all with barely making a sound right plus we also have the
multiple shoe prints that were found supporters of this Theory also cite the widely held belief that the hands of two
of the slain girls were bound using different knots which is debatable the medical examiner cited only a double
half hitch in the cords around the necks of Michelle and Denise while someone else described a slip knot perhaps the
knot disparity if it exists at all comes from the fact that Denise and Michelle were tied up in a very different manner
so let's get into some of these different and some of these possible suspects Captain we have Bill Stevens
William a Stevens who was 22 at the time of the murders he became a key figure at
the murder trial of Jee Hart he was the man whom Garvin Isaac's pointed out as the actual murderer of the three girls
at the trial Joyce Payne and her son testified for the defense that Stevens came to their home the day the Girl
Scouts were killed was scratching on his arms and red stains on his boots they also linked the red flashlight found at
the murder scene to Steven saying it was theirs and Stevens borrowed it right which would make sense because if Hart
stole anything from the farmer the farmer is not convinced that that flashlight came from him right and the
woman's boyfriend Dwayne Peters told Oklahoma authorities that Stevens once claimed to have killed the girls while
having war game hallucinations he said he surveilled Camp Scott just like Vietnam and picked out the most
isolated tent so when he was F fighting uh Charlie back in the day did he also rape Charlie I I cannot during his war
games I cannot attest to that but Peter said that Stevens told him this while the two were driving around the area in
October of 1977 even demonstrating how he covered one of the girls' mouths with his hand Peter said he refused to
believe Stevens thinking he was bluffing until he saw him abduct a woman beat and
rape her this was indeed the crime for which Stevens and Peters were later incarcerated in Kansas only Stevens
raped the woman the woman was left to die in her car trunk but survived she identified Stevens and Peters in
addition a young girl scout Kimberly Lewis testified that she saw a man who looked like Stevens at the camp the
night of the murders needless to say this eyewitness ID by a young girl of someone seen in an instant and Pitch
Black Knight was and is suspect a further problem for the heart defense was Stevens maintained he was working in
simal the day the girls were killed at Camp Scott Steven's employers confirmed his story with a canceled paycheck and a
time card furthermore at the heart trial forensic chemist Anne Reed said hair found from one of the victims and in the
dead girl's tent didn't match samples of Steven's hair Peters eventually recanted
his tale of Steven's confession and said his girlfriend Joyce Payne fed him bits
and pieces of information from the news about the case so his story linking Stevens to the crime would sound more
credible their plan was for Peters to get paroled or at least transferred to Oklahoma as a reward for providing
information on his fellow inmate Joyce Payne and her son Larry Short were charged with perjury she pled no contest
to A reduced misdemeanor charge and was sentenced in early 1981 to a suspended six-month term the charge against her
son was dismissed Bill Stevens was stabbed to death in his cell at the Kansas State penitentiary in Lancing in
1984 at the age of 27 so maybe it's possible that he's a little off his rocker because of war and maybe by being
so that caused his death in prison if that makes any sense another suspect whose name was circulated was convicted
child rapist and murderer Carl Lee Myers in his murder trial the state presented
evidence of Myers convictions of assault with intent to rape a 12-year-old girl in 1976 for which he received 20 years
two sexual assaults in 1981 against a 13-year-old relative and in 1990 conviction in Rogers County for murder
of Cindy Marzano John Russell an ex-convict who professed to be making a film about the Girl Scout case said the
late Meyers confessed to him about the Girl Scout murders once they were sharing adjacent cells Russell gave the
information to OSBI which would say only that the agents checked out the lead Myers died in 2013 of natural causes
while awaiting execution for the 1996 killing of Marzano there is no evidence linking him to the crimes right and we
have DNA evidence right they collected the evidence they still have it so we can test it not exactly then we have a
truck driver from West Memphis Arkansas name unknown he testified at the trial that he was questioned five times about
his whereabouts that night other than this statement from The Trial we have nothing other than this linking him as a
suspect yeah but I'd like to know more about this individual because you're claiming that possibly he's responsible
for the death of three children roughly the age of well age 8 n and 10 and then in the west Memphis 3 case we have three
victims all of the same age of eight all three bound mhm it's just very similar I
mean I know it's you know a decade apart but it's also you got a truck driver and
the crime in West Memphis happened right by a car wash which had truck washing capabilities right so it's kind of
interesting there John Clayton pots this is a cousin of Jee Hart who was 21 at the time of the Girl Scout murders he
was arrested in 1979 for the repeated rape of a 13-year-old girl who was also his cousin he lived near Camp Scott and
was questioned at the time of the murders but ruled out as a suspect according to the OSBI Tim limy what
what's interesting is this quote from Sheriff Weaver pots identified mug shots of heart and had heart at the scene
within a matter of hours of the time of the murders that when they were committed Weaver has never explained
exactly what information pots gave them about about Hart many believe that Potts
was the informant whose information led to Hart's arrest at the shack Ricky green was imprisoned in New
Mexico for burglary but escaped and was found in Oklahoma green confessed to the
killings telling OSBI agent Jack Le that he and two other men were high on drugs
when they committed the crimes green was ruled out as a suspect because he failed
five polygraph tests so let's talk about these last two individuals so John Clayton pots who was the cousin of Jean
Hart right he's 21 at the time of the murders he's arrested in 79 for raping a young girl so he has similar Tendencies
to what we would expect from our suspect the interesting thing about him is how does he get on this list well one we
know that he was involved in the investigation early on because we have that interesting quote from Sheriff
Weaver saying pots identified mug shots of heart and could place heart within the scene of the crime within a matter
of hours right uh from the time of the murders around the time of the murders that they were committed
what's what's interesting about John Clayton pots is we know he's an associate of Jee Hart he's his cousin
and he claims to have seen Jean Hart within hours of the murders so he can be a suspect on this list for
several reasons one he puts himself within the area around the time of the murders and two he puts himself
with Jean Hart possibly with genan Hart shortly after the murders so and a lot of people would think it's more likely
that there was two perpetrators in this crime yeah so you have John Clayton Potts who who fits into a unique
category as a suspect either he did it himself or he could be an accomplice of Gan Harts and you would think though we
got this fingerprint on the flashlight doesn't match him cuz we know it doesn't match har mhm and regarding this Ricky
green the guy that was in prison in New Mexico for burglary uhhuh the guy that he he confessed to the killings mean
green he he tells the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations that he committed the crimes he and two other
men committed the crimes and we say that he was ruled out as a suspect simply because he failed five polygraph test I
have to believe that there's more going on with this I don't feel like they would rule this guy out immediately we
do know that OSBI publicly stated they thought that Hart was their guy so you and I know from our long time of doing
this that sometimes they don't really they're not fully investigating these things after they think that their guy's
already been you know by this point he's dead hard dead and also the tunnel vision for one and also just I mean we
see it all the time with whether it's an author or just an armchair detective that creates a theory and it rules out
any other possibilities no matter what is presented Ed to him no matter what evidence is presented to him but I think
there's more going on here with the you you fail five polygraph tests and you're
probably changing the story so much that maybe law enforcement doesn't even know
what to believe I agree with that and that's what I think we have here but that's a sticky situation too because
within the bits of his confession he states that he was high on drugs when they committed the murders so yeah but
we've seen that too I mean uh what's what's he going to remember or how what will be his memories that he has of
those events well we've also had people that have confessed to crimes and um had
other people involved saying hey this person helped me with the crime while they're on drugs and I think believed it
for so long um but it could be as simple as you know they were high on drugs and saw a
news report about this and you have to wonder too when this confession was delivered to OSBI because what available
evence did they have at the time of this confession because if they still have a
lot of evidence on hand regardless of if you believe his story or his story doesn't add up you know you could chalk
that up to him being high on drugs you can test this evidence you can look at the evidence and you can compare it to
him and the other two people that individuals that he named as accompli right and maybe you're able to clear
those other two at the very least it's that's a curious story right there I would like to to know more about this
Ricky green confession and I hope that there was more to rule him out than just the failed polygraph test now here's
some other angles here Captain so there's one theory that the counselors or some of the counselors in some way or
form were involved in this so a few pieces of information LED people to speculate that someone at Camp Scott
pulled off an inside job one was the confusion early on about whether the three victims were actually raped or
just sexually assaulted the da refused to say that the girls were raped and we now know that there were differing
conclusions about the presence of Sean or sperm right which led people to suspect that maybe a woman could have
been involved also we have the small shoe print as well yes the tennis shoe print that was found is smaller in size
more like a female the camp dog this is this is an interesting tidbit here okay no one reported there was a camp dog
okay that that lived there that occupied the camp I I had that somewhere but I don't have it with me today of course
not such a disappointment well the camp dog no one reported hearing the camp dog
bark that night we have all these other reports of strange noises and going on in the in the woods right but nobody
reporting this dog alerting them to anyone being nearby so maybe was this dog was she familiar with the
perpetrator mhm and yeah but even if you're even if a dog's familiar with you chances are if you're in the woods in
the dark you're still going to get the the dog to start barking we also have the fact that it's very likely that the
killer had some might have been intimately familiar with the camp itself mhm and the one tent out of all the
tents that were there the one tent that the killer or Killers chose was the the only tent that had only three
occupants also we have a towel used in the counselor's tent to wipe their feet on that rainy night that had been
hanging on the end of Carla's bed at bedtime was found by investigators on the 13th with blood on it it appeared to
have been used to wipe some some blood up at some point right the 2007 DNA testing showed that the pillowcase
sample was likely from a woman but it didn't rule out this is the problem with this it didn't rule out that it had
belonged or came from one of the victims themselves right then we have the story
of the minister in 1990 Tulsa World ran a very detailed article containing the following information an Oklahoma
minister Reverend Gerald Manley claimed he can name two of four men he says participated in the Girl Scout murders
13 years earlier tedl Turner a for former private investigator who assisted officials in investigating the slangs
believed Manley pushed for a grand jury to be convened to examine Manley's claims lerer said Manley claimed to have
been in the tent the night of the murders along with some young men he didn't know but he met when Manley was
driving and ran out of gas these young men drove up to help him Manley claimed one of the men led him to a tent in the
Girl Scout camp inside the tent Manley claimed he saw one of the Dead girls lying on the floor and two zipped up
sleeping bags that appeared to contain bodies according to the OSBI spokesman when the story was brought to the OSBI
agents were assigned in laboratory tests were performed on a plastic glove that mainly got from one of the men he
accused the glove had what appeared to be blood on it the OSBI submitted a report to the DA but as far as OSBI was
concerned concerned there was nothing to Warrant further investigation the man who headed the investigation for the
OSBI in 1977 Ted limy said he remembered when Manley brought the story forward years ago and said there was nothing to
substantiate it he did also say that the OSBI never denied the fact that more than one person could have been involved
Harold Barry who was the first Trooper on the scene at Camp Scott and who went on to become Mae County Sheriff at one
point said he met lerer and Manley at a restaurant in 1990 and Barry asked Manley to draw a diagram of the camp
layout in the victim's tent yeah he couldn't draw a layout of the camp he couldn't draw a layout of their
tent and then Barry said that's when he leaned across the table and asked the man what will you do if I arrest you
right here for being accessory to the homicides of the Girl Scouts Barry said the man replied
well maybe I just dreamed I was there so strange that it seems like there's so many people that want to take credit for
this or point the finger at somebody and we've seen this at other times too we're
talking about it's always the popular cases in the community yeah most likely the most infamous case in Oklahoma
history you know as far as you know 1970s goes and so we have all these people coming forward that have some
involvement either they did it or they know who did yeah this story comes from claims online okay so there's a camp
called Camp Garland this was a boy scout camp and it was located about a quar mile away through the dense woods from
Camp Scott right now much has been made of a story circulating online that claims that a scout at Camp Garland
witnessed three Boy Scouts returned to camp in the middle of the night all bloody and they're claiming they killed
some girls yeah nothing has ever come of this story personally I think investigators would likely have been
able to find some evidence left by a bunch of young teenage boys right who were well who are unlikely to have
navigated their way through the pitch black forest area between the camps in the middle of the night to assault
molest and kill three young girls yeah but you got Boy Scout camp you have Girl Scout camp it makes like a great urban
legend story it does but they po out of let's say say this let's go through this
a bit they pop out of the woods and they tell this individual we just killed some
girls how if that's true this was 1977 since then how many other people would they have told along the way one and
then two what about all that stuff that was found in those caves that were you can trace back to the murder scene
possible planted evidence right and for you to believe this Theory you have to believe all of that evidence was planted
right yeah but but also maybe that uh flashlight was not Hart's flashlight maybe that was somebody else's
flashlight one of the Boy Scouts and we don't know who these Boy Scouts are quote unquote so maybe maybe a couple of
them committed suicide we don't know mhm but it it does make a uh good urban legend
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theories and all these other suspects that we just discussed what that tells me is even though this case is old it's
unsolved and let's go ahead and label it cold it's a cold case right it tells me
that the people the public they've not forgotten no they've not given up that there is somebody out there responsible
for this and it could be Jean Hart who we already discussed right now one thing that we did talk about too was that it
seems on the outside looking in that OSBI and other agencies close to the case they've said some public statements
and done some things that cause you or cause one to believe that maybe the case is closed in their mind and they weren't
or were not actively working the case in the years to come however there were other agencies that were doing some work
on this case yeah we see this time and time again though where somebody says hey look we we we think we know who is
responsible we tried them and it didn't work out in our favor but we think we know who's responsible and the reason
that we know that other agencies and other people still cared about this case and again I want to be clear I'm not
completely saying that OSBI didn't care and quit caring I'm not saying that local agencies quit caring and quit
working the case I'm just saying there are things that were statements made publicly that could lead one to believe
that but over the years what we have seen is several groups and organizations and agencies who kept running tests on
the evidence that was found at the murder scene sometimes they're testing this against possible suspects so we do
know that people out there do care agencies do care and they continue to work the case yeah because this family
needs some kind of conclusion there's been many of these tests conducted over the years and I won't go through all of
them because it's it's some pretty heavy lifting because they kept testing and testing and testing the stuff but I do
want to talk about and site some uh some of these tests so there were tests run in 1989 this showed that three of the
five DNA traits found in the samples taken from the dead girls matched that to heart right authorities emphasized
that only 1 in 7,700 American Indians would match the samples of fluids to this extent Hart
did but because only three of the five aspects matched the results were officially deemed
inconclusive Jack Graves then Mae County district attorney said if that test result had been available back then he
would have used it at the trial yeah he said what it comes down to is this if there were
7,700 North American Indians at the Girl Scout camp that night on the night that
the girls were murdered only one would have matched the gene characteristics in the evidence left there and again Jean
Leroy Hart matches this right that's pretty damning evidence that's what he says he says the chances of that are
pretty small no that that's what he said yeah in other words the best statistical
chance that the state could cite that Jee Hart was the killer was 1 in 7,700 in 2007 the OSBI received a
Federal grant to have DNA evidence in unsolved cases examined by private Laboratories using DNA testing not
available at OSBI in May of 2007 the lab issued a report that no DNA results were
obtained from this evidence in this case most likely what that leads us to believe is that these samples since have
deteriorated and we've lost the ability to test yeah to test them so where that leaves us Captain is an unsolved case
where we do have a lot of circumstantial evidence and I would argue a lot of physical evidence that does link what
can only be described as the prime suspect heart Jee Hart mhm and it's very difficult too because again you want to
get some kind of answers for the victim's families so that maybe they could have I again we've talked about this
before people say well maybe they get closure well I don't know if they ever get closure but maybe they get some
answers in this case it's really it's so blurry because I think the evidence points to heart I don't know if that
points to Heart being acting alone or with somebody but it definitely points to him but again if you're on the jury
and you know that he's going to get 300 plus years in prison anyways it's hard to rule in his favor
or or against him it seems to me and again there are differing reports of this so it's it's hard to say
100% what actually happened that night and who committed these murders yeah the evidence leans and to and points toward
the fact that there may have only been one killer as almost impossible as that may seem the DNA evidence would suggest
that there was only one rapist right so if we had to pick just one guy one guy acting alone the the problem with Jean
Hart is several things you can't rule him out using DNA you just can't he's he's the one in
7,700 people that matches what evidence was found there right and those other statements about him being a secretor
and being a typo blood and having deformed sperm that the numbers back then and I can't I can't back up the
math on it right but their statements were it was 0.002% of the American population that's a very small number
and on top of that we know that he was close to the area he was active in burglarizing the area right he also had
his mother's home you know half a mile or so from from the crime scene yeah and he's his childhood home was he's on the
run from the police in the first place my other thing too is I really question you know the the problem with heart for
me is really the fingerprints no fingerprints you break into a house you steal a flashlight you're wearing gloves
at the time you just always wear those gloves anytime you're touching this stuff it's not that hard to think that
there wouldn't be fingerprints if he's wearing gloves well and he's somebody that I would categorize as a career
criminal you know at a very young age he he raped those women and let's who who cares man if anybody wants
to argue this with us here in the garage what what we can see by that first offense it was a terribly violent
offense right he raped these two women he abducted them raped them and left them left them for dead the way that he
tied them up the way that he kind of he almost concealed their bodies in a way it would have been two rape charges and
two murder charges and he plad guilty mhm so he wasn't claiming he was innocent yeah and there are people out
there Back in 77 that thought hey this guy got railroaded the first time right how can you get railroaded when you
plead guilty right and maybe you know maybe Hart would tell you well they they were stacking the case against me this
that and the other thing these women were tied up and they were Bound in a manner that they would cause their own
deaths if they came to and struggled to free themselves right he intended for them never to be found he intended them
to me never be found alive yeah cuz he's real busy yeah and when he went to prison for that mhm I think that like
these other career criminals do whether it be whether your crime be theft or you
know holdups or rape or murder right all of these individuals they tend to learn from
their past mistakes and I think what you pointed out is spoton I think it's as simple as he was using gloves during the
perpetration of burglarizing homes yeah and therefore regardless of his state of
mind or regardless of his condition he was using gloves at the time of the murders and he likely all those items
that he brought with him to the scene show to me that he probably carried him under gloved hands yeah the thing too is
we saw things in his first rapes of those women of the pregnant women we saw that he premeditated that attack he
brought with him to the scene things that would help him bind these women up he laid out newspapers in the trunk of
his car so that if there was any evidence that would be left behind probably to sop up blood if it if need
be to catch the blood that he could later throw those newspapers away and he wasn't going to take any chance of
leaving any victim alive mhm there's going to be no possibility of that and I think what we see here with the Girl
Scout murders is the same thing I see a perpetrator or perpetrators that brought
to the scene with them instruments that would help them commit this crime right binding I think the intent was not to go
there that night and steal things from the camp I think the intent was to show up there and do something very bad and
very horrible yeah no I agree the the tricky thing to me though is there's so many things that are done to tents and
there's so many people that oh we think we saw a guy come into our tent with our
tent flaps were messed with this stuff was stolen you have three victims it almost seems either again like a shape
shifter I'm not saying he he actually can shape Shi but somebody that is very familiar with the tent they're in a
semicircle mhm it wouldn't be that hard to cause all that commotion but with the
three victims you know it makes me believe that possibly there was somebody else with him yeah the the thing though
he is very experienced Outdoors he knew the area better than most arguably better than anyone anybody at that
campsite yeah I mean it it by all accounts it seems like he was mostly living off the land in the area at the
time I think this guy would have had the stealth ability of creeping up on those
campers to those different tents and he would make a lot less noise than most of
us would do the other thing too is regarding some of the items that I believe he brought with him that night
the flashlight so it's often discussed and this is rightfully so but many people point out that the newspaper
inside the flashlight was most likely to keep the battery forced up into position
so would provide Power for the light itself yeah I agree with that 100% I think that that was one of the reasons
for the newspaper inside the flashlight but I also believe that it was jammed up
in there so that the battery wouldn't rattle around in the flashlight so that the person could sneak around making
less noise yeah makes sense because you alter the front lens so it's a smaller flash mhm um and then you alter the
battery so it doesn't rattle that makes a lot of sense yeah and you've used those size of flashlights before they
can they can make little rattling noises I I personally don't use them that size
I like to use the big mag ones M that you could beat somebody over the head with like a baseball bat but if somebody
was let's say clever enough to alter the lens of the light to mute the light and
only have that little bit showing through they're coming up with other ideas as well and I don't know man the
the the troubling thing is I agree with you some of the items that were found some of the evidence that was found that
does link heart to the murders it's sketchy if it was planted or not they had it out for heart period
And I have a hard time believing though that all of the evidence itself was it's
it's okay remember how they said oh it was like we're reliving the OJ trial M but it's the same thing it's like just
be if they planted evidence right I I can I can back up and say maybe they did plant some evidence maybe they didn't
like OJ and they planted some evidence and they want to get a hard conviction okay maybe they planted some evidence
but they didn't PL it all right and there's a possibility that you can be guilty and the police did plant evidence
we live in a world that that's possible I think if Hart did it he took the murder weapon with him could have
been the flashlight may not have been I don't think that that uh you know we have that
crowbar or that tool that was missing from the nearby Farm uhhuh I don't know 100% that it came from the farm or that
it was used in the murders I kind of feel like that that whoever if all those items found in the
caves if they weren't planted I think that the killer took enough of the stuff with them or with him that he wasn't
just leaving random things behind I tell you what they didn't plant that pile of
human poo poo and maybe those uh PBR bottles the the beer bottles that was just him sipping beer while he lieing
wait while he waited for the sun to go down watching the campers seeing who goes into What tent seeing where they
are proximity to the counselors right the tricky thing too is I think Hart had a hell of a defense team you know we the
community that believed he was innocent pulled together raised a bunch of money and hired what I think was a good
defense team they pulled out tactics similar to what we saw with the Casey Anthony case with the OJ Simpson case
where we have a defense team that basically States look look at all these other possible theories and suspects
that you can't rule out jury they even had people testify saying yeah I was questioned about this five times right
but there's no real evidence and they even presented other possible suspects you can't rule them out jury oh yeah
and the possibility of they planted evidence on this as well and they can't say 100% that the DNA evidence left
matches heart and so I think the situation there is difficult for the jury I think that it was a clever chess
move by the defense team to conveniently let it slip out that this guy is already
serving 300 years in prison and I know we have the statements by some of the jury that say look we didn't feel like
the state put up enough evidence against this guy I think what it boils down to is if you're sitting there in that chair
questioning the guilt or innocence of this dude right it's easier for you to go you know what he's innocent but he's
not going to walk free anyway he's going to spend the rest of his days in prison
and on top of that if you do say he's guilty and you got it wrong then then you got it wrong if if you say innocent
it's almost like you can't get it wrong and so I think with the what the jury was burdened with was a heavy hand was a
was a was a heavy task I think here in the garage we're we're not burdened with such a heavy task we don't have to say
Beyond A Reasonable Doubt I think for me I'm definitely burdened though I'm burdened in ways that I can't
discuss here yeah but I not in my contract I feel very confident in a couple of statements okay one I think
this is a cold case I think it may remain a Cold Case unfortunately but I also feel like that if I had to pick one
person heart's the guy I think Hart's the guy I will say this though uh to leave a bit of optimism out there I have
been in contact with people in the last few months that have said no Nick it's not a Cold Case wait for it there's
something that's coming in this [Music] case well let's end 2018 on a good note a high note with
some good recommended reading yeah check out our recommended page at true Crim garage.com we'll have this listed there
for you this week we are recommending Alcatraz the last survivors nine former inmates reveal secrets of the Rock and
the author John forsing he is a lifelong Alcatraz buff and he interview interviewed nine different inmates
including Whitey balger and also suspected serial killer Harve the hammer carnigan for this book where they give
detailed accounts of some of their crimes and their times at Alcatraz and again everything that we recommended
this year is on the recommended page on our website true Crim garage.com and if you go to truecrime garage.com you can
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Camp Scott was a 410 acre camp operating since 1928. Located near a small town in Oklahoma the camp had facilities for up to 140 children and 30 staff. The camp was most often attended by Girl Scouts. In fact it was marketed to the Girl Scouts as “This is your camp.” After the night of June 13th, 1977 the camp closed forever. What took place that night was horrifying. Parents sent their young, happy daughters to an idyllic two-week camp and they never returned. What was done to those girls can only be described as pure evil. This week we take an in-depth look at the Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders. Beer of the Week - Anytime Minutes by The Willows Family Ales Garage Grade - 3 and 3 quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved Girl Scout murders, focusing on suspect Jean Hart and alternative theories surrounding the case.

Key points

The Mysterious Death of Jean Hart. Jean Hart died in prison under suspicious circumstances, raising questions about foul play.
Eyewitness Testimony. A young girl scout testified seeing a man resembling Bill Stevens near the camp.
Confessions and Polygraphs. Ricky Green confessed to the murders but failed multiple polygraph tests, raising doubts.
The Camp Garland Legend. A story circulates about Boy Scouts witnessing a crime at Camp Garland.
The Cold Case Continues. Despite years passing, the public and agencies remain invested in solving the case.
DNA Evidence and Hart. Testing shows a strong statistical link between Hart and the crime, but results are inconclusive.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

His death was natural.

Attorney's statement about Jean Hart's death

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Tension

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