Charles Erickson /// Part 2 /// 440 | Forensic Files

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we couldn't talk about this case the wrongful conviction of Ryan Ferguson and Charles Erickson without introducing
someone who's a very very big part of this case and this story Bill Ferguson Ryan Ferguson's father and his efforts
to right this wrong and get his son out of prison and for me the bill Ferguson story starts with seeing him in court
fully supporting his son and what's amazing to watch the body language and the facial expressions as
the trial goes on and what you can tell he is thinking on the inside he's I've hired this defense attorney this guy is
a reputable supposed to be one of the best in the area and he's watching this guy fumble through the case fumble
through the trial and he's thinking my god I've paid this man all this money and this is not going to work out for my
son we also see Ryan Ferguson on the stand who as the captain pointed out he seems a little
unengaged or or doesn't seem doesn't come off to at least Express the severity of the
situation and I think we've seen that plenty of times with these individuals who deep down in their heart they know
they're innocent they're sitting there on trial and I think that they think at some
point the truth will come out there's no way they can convict me of something I couldn't have done well and the other
problem is this defense attorney looks like a penis with a mustache [Music] [Laughter]
I mean am I wrong every time he talked all I could see was a penis with a mustache but could you
imagine Bill Ferguson you being Bill Ferguson sitting there at this trial thinking of the who knows how much he
paid that I've I've reviewed cases where they've paid defense attorneys a hundred
and fifty thousand dollars and these guys don't put on a good case they don't represent their client to their best of
their abilities he's sitting in court going I just paid this man all this money and he can't even he can't even
poke holes in the prosecution's theory he can't even show up with a map with the actual buildings on it that he's
talking about you know we see this all the time time and that's the thing this wasn't even a public defender and not
not to [ __ ] on public defenders I mean they literally do the most amazing work
they are incredibly underpaid and overworked but that's the problem they're underpaid and overworked so you
know if you can afford to hire a private lawyer you always think oh this person's
going to be better than a public defender who has a million cases and sometimes only goes and sees clients
once twice before the trial um so it's really it's it's really sad it's really sad that that happened what
was the background of Charles's family his his parents what did they do for a living yeah so Charles's father Works in
he worked for the public defender's office he was an investigator and Marianne currently is a is a professor
or a teacher um I don't know what she was doing back then but they are both you know he does
come from a very nice well-to-do middle class family well it also seems like Charles Charles was gifted like he had
above average level of IQ still does he's he Charles is brilliant and he did and that's
that's what I highlight a lot you know he was amazing athlete he was incredibly smart he did get a scholarship to
college and then you know as happens with a lot of teens he just got really into partying and that all kind of went
out the window for a bit and led to where he is now well but when you look at his background and his parents it
makes zero sense that it wasn't his father that stopped this whole train because
like we like Nick was saying with uh with Ryan Ferguson's father he's a real estate agent knew nothing
about criminal justice and gets all these wheels and motions and basically is the reason his son got freed from
prison well and I want to take this moment to do a little Public Service Announcement here because if you are
going into this trial let's put yourself in the Ferguson situation your son's being charged with something you believe
him to be innocent for you hire a defense attorney a defense team to represent him at court Ryan Ferguson
received the highest bail 20 million dollars the highest bail from what the documentary tells us to be
in the United States ever for a single murder charge if your defense attorney gets you the highest bail ever in the
history of the United States it's time to switch teams right then and there 20 million dollars this kid they were not
going to let him out for a single day before his trial so Ryan spent how long in in prison Ryan
did it 10 years Charles has um a pro hearing coming up in 2023 yes he has a parole hearing do you think
that is one of the reasons because anybody that hears the Ryan Ferguson case I think it scares people because
it's just something that could happen to anybody if it could happen to this guy and he wasn't even there and he should
have a solid Alibi driving his buddy home that solid Alibi turns into the nail in
your coffin yeah so I think this a story when people hear it it scares the living
[ __ ] out of them because it could happen to you if it happened to this kid there
was again the prosecutor sitting there on the stand saying there's zero physical evidence to even put them at
the crime scene so I think that is what scares the living [ __ ] out of people it does
it's it's absolutely terrifying and I think we we're talking about it a minute ago when we're talking about they both
come from well-off middle class white families able to hire private Defenders and this still happened to them and it
and I think that's what scares people it's like if they're not safe who is safe from corrupt law enforcement well I
think that's what created the outrage when people see the initial story because you have to go back and forth a
little bit to go okay well but Charles is saying that they were there so there's a possibility that this guy is
guilty we've seen that before but eventually everybody gets to the conclusion that neither one of these
guys are guilty and it seems like there was this huge outrage for Ryan but there's
never been that outrage for Charles well there's a couple things to that so Kathleen Zellner comes on in
2009 and that's of course what actually leads to Ryan um having the conviction vacated she
comes on in 2009 and at this point Charles realizes Ryan didn't have anything to do with this and he finds
out Ryan has hired Kathleen Zellner pre-making a murderer but she was still a pretty big shot lawyer she has gotten
some people who are wrongfully convicted off and Charles reaches out to her and says I have to say something and so this
is what we see in dream pillar and and parts of it are on Charles's website is this deposition she takes from Charles
where he sits her down and says actually I lied Ryan had nothing to do with this
but I did and I I did this alone and she was like what so shock to her because she's done she knows it that neither of
them did it yeah so she's like what well okay um still gotta get my client out so we
get Ryan out and Charles is still convinced of his guilt at this point and he said I was doing what I could to help
Brian I realized I [ __ ] up like he had nothing to do with this but I still did
because at this point Charles doesn't know that these police reports were false he doesn't know that this
these alleged reports of people saying they heard Ryan confessing are false so he still thinks there's evidence against
him in the form of Jerry Trump saying that they saw them he doesn't know Shayna ornt says she never saw them so
he doesn't know any of this so he's still thinking well you know people are saying I was there so I guess I was yeah
one of the real big things in this case for Charles was his friend Dallas Mallory I believe is
his name that Eric was always convinced that he saw Dallas at some point in the night because Dallas was dressed up as a
possible cop or something but is 100 convinced that so he knows that he went to these parties he went to this bar he
knows that for certain he has thousands of people backing up that or hundreds of
people backing up that part of the story the rest of the night in Charles's mind
is I blacked out I don't remember anything but one of the things that he keeps remembering is I saw Dallas in his
car at this traffic light while the traffic light just so happens to be close to the
crime scene so that's really well that's the thing they that's what was the LIE they told him that Dallas said that he
saw him at that intersection Dallas said he never saw him Dallas was like I saw him at the party earlier that's what
Charles is remembering he knows he saw Dallas but it was at this Halloween party but the police are lying to him
and saying uh Dallas saw you near the crime scene and Charles was like well I do remember seeing Dallas so I guess he
saw me by the crime scene Charles again has no idea any of this is not true until
long after his statement to Zellner around 2013 I believe he told me he started kind of figuring out all of this
was fabricated and you know he has these now fake memories planted in his head from the police and the prosecution well
and this is where it gets pretty interesting to me because they're telling him like you said Charles knows he saw
Dallas that night at the party they start saying well you saw him at this intersection and Dallas was parked at a
red traffic light you talked to him for a little bit and then he drives off obviously when the
light turns green so then you have Ryan Ferguson's father that goes down to the crime scene walks it multiple times
goes to this intersection and realizes at that time of day there's no red light there's just blinking yellow lights so
just that part of the story is fake and then Dallas then comes forward and says I felt pressured to say anything I
basically told the prosecution whatever you want me to say I'll go along with and at the time of the murder he did not
have a vehicle or a license more impossibilities of Charles actually seeing him the night of the murder yeah
you know exactly it's um and then so you know I talk about Dallas a lot in my podcast but there's also Megan Arthur
and Richard Walker similarly Charles is given police reports from them saying Ryan confessed and they both later
recant and he has no idea about this he has no idea so he's still thinking oh you know these two people are saying you
know I did this um but do you think with his Pro hearing being so close that that's a reason why
people are don't seem as willing to like try to do something or create some kind
of a commotion to help get him out no I don't I don't think anyone even really knows about the parole I think he's been
he's been forgotten much of the story was intentionally focused on Ryan he was the more
sympathetic person in the story and then once Ryan gets out it was kind of that's that I mean so many people I
talk to have no idea there was a co-defendant they have no idea Ryan Ferguson was the story and now Ryan
Ferguson is this the overcoming a wrongful conviction like hero story right and and that was that and yeah he
had a show on MTV for a little bit that's what the whole show was about which you'd think the first person that
he would try to help out would be the guy that he knows a hundred percent didn't
commit a crime yeah and there's there's a lot there um that I don't understand and I've asked
Charles Lawyers family members you know what has Ryan done to help you or to help Charles
and it's nothing little to nothing if anything at all other than his original statement when he came out of prison
where he said Charles Erickson is a lot of things but he's not guilty of this murder and
then he's kind of moved on with his life I don't know I've never been wrongfully
convicted by somebody I don't know I'm I I cannot blame him for having so much anger 10 years of his life were stolen
but Charles is also a victim and I can't imagine not wanting to help this person
who has been completely forgotten I mean the least you could do is use your platform to say hey don't forget about
this guy well it makes the whole case pretty confusing because if they're letting this individual out
and then they're saying he didn't not do this crime then by definition that's the reason why they
kept going after Ryan Ferguson in the beginning they said well we know that Charles was with you
so if Charles is saying he was at the crime scene and he killed a man then guess what you were with him
and so by using their own logic if Ryan is innocent of this crime than by using their own logic so is
Charles so they just filed a petition for actual innocence in June in June it was denied
and now they are waiting to file another appeal he confessed to this and that that presents a whole other level of
issues in trying to get him out yeah they ignored logic when they took his confession they ignored logic when
they prosecuted Ryan Ferguson and here they are conveniently ignoring logic again could you tell us who Kathleen
Zellner is for for the for the few listeners because most will know but could you give us a little background on
Kathleen Zellner yeah so Kathleen Zellner became famous in making a murderer season two she took Stephen
Avery's case and she is famous for having had a few exonerees she's worked for and or I don't even
know if I want to say a few I think she's taken 13 cases and and gotten them all out I'm not like an expert on her
background but I know she has incredible backgrounds and her whole thing is I will not take your case she investigates
these cases and you know she'll only take a case if she thinks somebody is innocent because she's done the leg work
well she even goes a little step further because she doesn't even just try to get you off on a technicality
she's also trying to solve the case herself right and so that's like what I was getting at earlier I mean she has
found with her investigators much better suspects than Boyd Charles and Ryan obviously two men who
who later in 2005 committed another very bizarre murder of seemingly random murder and I don't want to you know name
names right now but I am going to get into this in an episode very soon on my patreon talking with the brother of one
of these guys Charles's mom she knows a lot about these two and these were two guys that were uncovered by Kathleen's
investigation so we're thinking that these two guys were indeed these what the eyewitnesses saw this one guy looks
almost identical to the police sketch to Shayna orange sketch yes so these guys we don't believe we're just walking by
the scene we believe that these guys were the actual murders yes based on some um their own family saying you know they
they have made confession statements um based on the fact that they have been tied to I don't I don't want to say
convicted I know one of them is dead right now um from suicide but tied to another very
strange random murder of a professor in a very similar situation you know she actually just sent me all these files
this morning so I haven't like fully dove in but I I'm going to dive in and do an episode on it well and when you
read about how great of a person Kent was it didn't seem like he had any enemies
it the the question to me was always which I think made Michael Boyd at least a decent suspect because well he worked
underneath him so could there be some assignment that he didn't like did he just don't like working under the person
that would be at least a motive maybe not a good enough motive for murder but other than that what's the motive here
yeah I mean and that's the thing too with Boyd there was allegedly that argument
between him and height holds but I mean the murder was so brutal I mean he is strangled with his own belt he is
bludgeoned it seemed either incredibly personal or incredibly random and Psychopathic and I think with these two
other suspects it seems that they are serial murderers and it is incredibly psychopathic
[Music] foreign [Music] did get right that it was a random act of violence and I think it's a weird
thing with these two persons that are seeing two young white males are seen near the murder scene at the time of the
murder we know this by these are witnesses here we also know our Witnesses are saying it
was not Ryan Fergus and he was not one of the people that I saw that night it gets weird though because the the
statements from the witnesses at times have been that these two individuals who may be
suspects were saying something like this man needs help so you go okay well maybe
these are just two people that happened to walk by and see that something horrible went down just minutes ago
they're doing their best as a good citizen to get help for this individual that they don't know but then the
problem is they must be suspects I think because you got even two years later before Ryan
is arrested before Charles is arrested where these people if they witness something they never come forward this
story is in the news they don't come forward to say I was the person that was walking that night I was the person that
called out for help I was the person that saw somebody and said we need to get somebody here to help this man to me
very briefly skimming the surface of these two guys seems like it almost could have been like a facetious kind of
like we just committed this murder and this guy needs some help and then they walk away not even like an actual Cry
for Help like hey uh this guy might need some help over here and then they walk away is a possibility this was not a
robbery gone bad this was I mean they had the opportunity whoever did this judging by the evidence they had the
opportunity to stop at some point they could have easily they they took this man
beat him they could have taken whatever possessions he had that they wanted right then and there but whomever did
this they took it a step further with the belt I mean think about that psychologically to take the belt off the
victim and then use it to kill the individual well I think they actually strangled him so hard that snapped parts
of his neck I know the belt broke itself broke yep yeah it was it was vicious violent and I believe that at some point
regardless of what started the attack at at some point there was a clear intention of Murder By whomever did this
now you mentioned earlier that there were two persons everybody knows of the witnesses who recant Trump and then we
have uh Shauna ort who says that Ryan Ferguson was not one of the people that I saw we have Charles Erickson who
changes his story multiple times it starts off with he and Ryan did this together then it ends up with he did it
by himself that Ryan may have told him to stop at some point or Ryan witnessed some of it Charles Erickson says he's
uncertain how much of this crime Ryan would have actually witnessed and then at some point
Charles's story becomes Ryan didn't do this Ryan didn't witness me doing it either because I didn't do it myself
right right who who were the two people remind me who were the two people that said hey Ryan Ferguson told us about
this said that he was involved or talked about it at a party they later changed their story I don't know the details of
that do we know why they change their story are there are they saying the same thing that crane convinced us to come
forward with this false information how does their their story change yes so one
of them he is in prison at the time and or in jail I think he's in jail at the time so he's got a couple charges
and basically and that's the thing with trunk too that's how they got how crane got Trump trump was on Parole for um
some kind of sex offense crane came to him and said hey you know I'll give you a deal and whatever whatever if you say
what I need you to say so here's this other guy jailhouse informant who is striking deals and says uh Ryan
confessed to me while in prison later he says you know that didn't happen I was making a deal with the
prosecutor for you know a lesser sentence or charges whatever it is and then the other one is Megan Arthur who
was at a party she did not say that she heard Ryan she says she thought she heard Ryan say something along these
lines which it's very possible Ryan was saying yo Charles is being crazy saying we did this so she tells this to the
police and they basically twist her entire statement and say you know she told us she heard
Ryan saying this and so both her and the jailhouse informant said none of this happened jailhouse informant says I was
just striking a deal but I actually completely lied or I never confessed to me and Megan Arthur says they completely
took my words out of context I never said that I heard Ryan confessing I thought I might have heard something and
I wanted to help with Zellner being involved with Ryan's case has she been giving this information over to
Charles's new lawyer they had in the past I don't think there's been much recently with that because what's next
for Charles yeah yeah he had PL denied recently in July and now they're working on filing another actual
innocence appeal and basically it's on the grounds they're trying to get an evidentiary hearing they can present all
of this evidence all of this prosecutorial law enforcement misconduct if they can present that there is no
evidence if they can get anything further tested you know basically they just want to present their side in front
of a in front of a judge or judges they think it's going to move forward is basically what they have to do and and
they're doing this on the grounds of that Charles had his constitutional rights violated when they knowingly and
willfully got a false statement from him now we know that Charles responded to a
letter that you sent but take us through the process of working with Charles and
putting together your episode what does that typically involve with the individuals that that you are you are
now meeting and presenting their stories I hear from Charles once a week twice a
week you know he's doing a lot in prison he's working with his dog training program he helps rehabilitate dogs and
adopt them out those are like his best friends he said you know again he's in therapies taking medication he's working
on himself he's going to school he's running again which is what he used to do back in high school that's how him
and Ryan actually met so you know when I first started speaking with Charles there was just so much to talk about
because he's doing so much so it was like okay we want to talk about the case we want to get to all this but I also
just want to like hear about you as a person we only hear about this crazy guy with dreamlike memories or snapshots is
what he calls them who is Charles you know what do you do and he is just so smart and has so much to say I could
talk to Charles forever so yeah there was a lot to fit in this one episode and I think we covered a lot of stuff that
wasn't in it but you know with the episode I just really wanted to make clear that there is this other person in
prison and he's a good person and he he was also a victim of all of this yes it very quickly became the free Ryan
Ferguson story and then once Ryan got out everything is just kind of forgotten about as you said Charles Erickson still
in prison the murder of Kent heitolt unsolved no justice for his family no justice for Kent height Holt yeah and I
believe his family is even on the on the pro Ryan and Charles side I mean they think also recognize I'm pretty sure I
did come across a Facebook page that his family runs that that they also believe
that this has not been solved this is a wrongful conviction they want Justice for their loved one he was a father he
had two kids he had a wife they want to know who murdered their dad and it was not Charles and Ryan and they support
them right if you don't get Justice for Charles you will never get Justice for Kent absolutely because it's it's a
closed case it's uh not being investigated any further why are they going to further test DNA evidence when
we got this guy in prison until Charles is out they are not getting Justice for Kent
Heidel well not only out but technically the conviction vacated right because it's one thing to let him out we've
actually seen some cases where they let the wrongfully convicted out but never vacate the conviction therefore it's a
closed case technically there's no reason to for the state to investigate West Memphis Three yep yeah with Boyd on
the surface he looks like a good suspect he looks like somebody that we would have would question his actions and some
of his statements but as you said they probably have something that tells them that Boyd is
not their guy it could be the janitors the witnesses saying we saw two younger white males and Boyd doesn't fit that
description but there probably has some kind of physical evidence at the scene the captain pointed out that we have
seven or more unidentified fingerprints there's a bloody palm print bloody Footprints there's hair at the scene
none of this matches Ryan Ferguson we we have that that might be the only honest
words that came out of the prosecutor's mouth at that trial was that we have no physical evidence linking this guy to
the crime you have to wonder if some of that evidence if it doesn't point the void as well you know Zellner was pretty
convinced that they did a really shitty job investigating Boyd and I think he even says they didn't even really
investigate him so I was just thinking like oh well maybe they took some of his uh hair samples and DNA or whatever and
compared it to what was at the crime scene but according to Zellner at least and how she feels the investigation went
I don't actually think that happened um yeah I believe he's only interviewed twice yeah sample was taken I don't
think so either so I don't really know what they had that they did not follow up on him I don't think they did compare
his samples well the most suspicious thing about that is the getting rid of one of his cars and not
really understanding what he did with it or the what he told law enforcement later they figured out was a lie yeah
and like we said there would be so much blood at the scene that you would think if Michael Boyd was involved you'd think
that he would at least saw the two two individuals that people think are involved well I think that becomes part
of the issue that people have with his story because originally he's telling police that he
didn't see and and Maggie correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is he's saying he
didn't see anybody and now when we have two people to pin this on Ryan Ferguson and Charles Erickson then later he's
saying yeah I saw two younger white males at the at the scene is that correct yeah yeah he he was all over the
place it is it is odd and I I you know I I wonder if he's just all over the place
because he knows he's the last person to see him alive and is scared um again he's he's not a white person he's
a person of color like he you know a lot of people that I talk to just instantly
become afraid of the police and that could be why we have the multiple changes in the story again I think there
are much better suspects than than Boyd so you know when I talk I kind of lean towards the it's not void but I do think
it was really shoddy of them to not investigate him further than they did take samples do more than two interviews
you know what do you think the likelihood that uh Charles will make parole in 2023. parole is so hard
because with parole they're not looking at actual innocence um they're looking at do you have
remorse for the crime that you're convicted of Charles didn't do this how is he supposed to show remorse for murdering
somebody when he didn't do this you know and a lot of these people I talked to like JJ Velasquez in in my case he's up
for parole and he's says yeah I'll go in front of the board but I'm not going to
confess to something I didn't do yeah I could walk out of here tomorrow but I my
Integrity is worth so much more than being paroled for something I didn't do and I haven't really
asked Charles but my guess is it would be similar I don't think he has any intention on saying yes I feel bad for
murdering Kent heitles so you're not getting paroled unless you say that and you know I talked to some folks my first
episode episode Jermaine Smothers he's up for parole and I do think he'll get paroled because while he didn't commit
the murder he feels like a lot of actions in his life contributed to this murder he was in a gang lifestyle so he
is going to go in front of the parole board and say like yes I'm remorseful for this because my actions contributed
to it so that is different because what actions did Charles do that that contributed to this murder I mean
nothing so I I don't think he's going to be paroled and the two people that you find interesting for this as good
possible suspects remind me how they came onto the radar so these were um from Kathleen zellner's private
investigators and again I haven't fully you know I have the statements the affidavits from her pis you know
interviewing people who say like yes this person um you know told me this and I I think
the brother even I'm gonna speak with the brother believes his brother did it and and I'm not going to name their
names here yet until I go through everything but um I am going to do an episode about this on my patreon but um
they one of the men at least was linked to the murder of a professor a very brutal murder where he was found stabbed
stuffed in his trunk and the car was lit on fire in a parking garage as he left work
and one of these men was his DNA was linked to the crime scene so to me that sounds very similar to a
random murder of Kent heitoltz I mean there it's the same it's Boone County so the I'm gonna look into this further but
this is something that Zellner uncovered and I do think you know one of these guys at least is
still alive and I know that actually Marianne Erickson has been skeptical about uh saying his name because he's
dangerous and he's out there and this is in 2005. so these are only a couple years apart that this um Professor was
murdered and found burned in his the trunk of his car yeah four years from from Kent so that's the whole point when
you wrongfully incarcerate people when you knowingly I I do not stray away from saying that uh Kevin crane knowingly
incarcerated the wrong people that you leave the real murderers out there and now another innocent person is
dead if these two were the ones that were involved in can't hide Holtz murder and this man looks
just like the police sketch and you're saying that the other the this professor that they believe this individual is
responsible for killing there's no connection between suspect and victim it just appears to be some kind of random
act of violence yeah yeah and and so again I haven't dove into this super far but it looks like this was also a cold
case I mean it happened in 2005 and it looks like you know that he's this name is coming up in 2013 linking him to the
murder so that's how you get away with things is random murder and and I know you guys know we talked about this in
the Mora Murray case when these things are random it's it's really hard to to find the killer there
is a website freecharles erickson.org and there is a reward fund of ten thousand dollars for information
in the case in the unsolved we should say murder case of Kent heith Holt and that money is coming from the Ferguson
family yes so they're working to at least uh help to find more information that could help Charles Erickson or at
least help the investigation for finding the real killer of Kent heitol absolutely yep and like you said
Charles has uh this hearing coming up pretty soon and then a parole Hearing in 2023 I know that you have a group on
Facebook can you tell the listeners a little bit about that so they could follow that for any update in this case
yes so it's the unjust and unsolved podcast Discussion Group Marianne Erickson Charles's mom is in there
almost every if not every unless they don't have an ins unless they don't have a Facebook but every Advocate you've
heard in the episodes every sibling as many investigators as I could get are in there to help answer questions and just
be part of these discussions to help solve solve these crimes to unsolve murder Ken height holds killer is out
there potentially if I said these two guys have killed somebody else so potentially
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Charles Erickson and Ryan Ferguson were wrongfully convicted in 2005 for the 2001 murder Kent Heitholt in Columbia, Missouri. Ryan was freed in November of 2013 after serving nearly ten years in prison. Charles is still sitting in prison for crimes he did not commit. This week we are joined in the Garage by longtime friend of the show Maggie Freeleng. Maggie is the host and producer of “Unjust & Unsolved,” a podcast focusing on wrongful convictions.

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Brief Summary

Ryan Ferguson and Charles Erickson's wrongful convictions are discussed, featuring insights from Bill Ferguson and highlighting systemic legal failures.

Key points

Bill Ferguson's Heartbreak. Bill Ferguson's emotional turmoil as he watches his son's trial unfold.
The Highest Bail Ever. Ryan Ferguson received the highest bail ever for a single murder charge.
The Wrongful Conviction of Ryan Ferguson. Exploring the wrongful conviction of Ryan Ferguson and the impact on his family.
The Walkaway. Witnesses saw the attack but chose to walk away, raising questions about their intentions.
The Belt's Role. The psychological implications of using the victim's belt in the murder are chilling.
Charles's Life in Prison. Despite his wrongful conviction, Charles is actively working on self-improvement in prison.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Could you imagine being Bill Ferguson?

Discussion about Bill Ferguson's feelings during the trial

4:41WatchNov 11, 2022

Tension

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