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are going through the timeline of David Edward mous one that I would categorize as a unique serial killer as said in
2003 they discovered the bodies of three teenage boys in his basement and then the community discovers that this man
that they are arresting and charging with a triple homicide he's already already been convicted twice of murder
so why was he living in their neighborhood this leads us up to 1967 when mouse was just 13 years old
he's now been institutionalized placed there by his mother for about 4 years at this point he was sent from the
psychiatric hospital to the Alex Children's Home which had a reputation for sexual abuse this is according to
the monster Indiana Times this part captain gets a little fuzzy because mous was then sent back to the mental
hospital in 1970 the reasons for this not clear but I'm sure that if there were if he was living in a situation
that had a reputation for sexual abuse even though he did not like living at the psychiatric hospital he he probably
was glad to be sent back to this hospital after leaving the hospital David mous worked construction then he
enrolled in the Army this was when he was 17 years old he went through basic training and was sent to Frankfurt
Germany in 1972 to serve as an army cook in Germany for some reason David mouse was spending time in the company of a
13-year-old American boy named Jimmy mlti whose parents were stationed in Germany the two met at a bowling alley
according to court documents Jimmy called mous a queer and told others that he saw mous masturbated well that's the
fastest way to become friends as a result others started making fun of David mous David mous engineered an
outing with this kid with Jimmy riding a pair of stolen mopeds in a German forest
so so he became friends with the guy that was running around telling everybody he was caught jerking off he
was already friends with him and says that you know he caught mous masturbating tells everybody this now
everybody's making fun of David Mouse okay I'm just trying to get this right we have this kid that's abandoned by his
family put into a psychiatric home then goes to this other facility for basically
orphans he's molested there goes back to the psych may have been he it's a place
that's rep has a reputation for sexual abuse so from there he is sent back to the psychiatric ward he's there for a
while gets out yeah because he's he's 17 he's almost an adult by this point so then he goes to the Army and now he
befriends this younger kid they send yeah he goes to basic training after basic training then they give you a job
in the Army and he's sent to Germany to work as an army cook this in 1972 And while he's there for some reason who
does he become friends with he becomes friend with friends with a child not with other adults he starts hanging out
with this 13-year-old American Boy Who the 13-year-old American boy is there because his parents are in the Army as
well and stationed there well one he has the connection because they're both American but two you'd have to say or
have to think think that his social skills his social maturity was that probably of a a younger kid than a
17-year-old well and this is something that we've seen with adults as well that you sometimes when people are
institutionalized that they have a different maturity because they did not mature that much during the time that
they were institutionalized that's why we have criminal profilers that say the most
difficult thing to determine in your profile is the age of the offender if you don't have any statements from
eyewitnesses because you don't know the maturity level of someone that's been potentially locked up for 15 20 years
they don't mature the same way that you and I would out here living amongst other people in society right so Captain
it looks to me like whatever went down between mous and this 13-year-old boy right that David mous wanted to either
shut the kid up or he wanted revenge against the kid because now everybody's picking on him and making fun of him
yeah call him flicky FY so it seems like he engineered this plot to get the kid to come out and hang out with him the
two were out riding on a pair of stolen mopeds out in the forest and while out in the forest Mouse hit Jimmy over the
head he then tied the boy to a tree and beat him to death with a board that had Nails sticking out of it Jesus David
Mouse hid the body in some of the brush the boy's body was not found until about
a month later I mean look you you catch somebody masturbating just never never tell anybody never you could be beaten
to death with a board with nails this the weird thing here Captain is that mouse was only convicted of manslaughter
and he was he was convicted of manslaughter and Larsen this for stealing the mopeds but was not charged
with murder because there were no witnesses that could place Jimmy and David Mouse together on the
same day that Jimmy died okay so just because they can't place them together then how the heck is he responsible in
any way shape or form are they saying well because he sto stole the moped and the 13-year-old was on the moped that
that's how died well this is a difficult situation what I think happened here is
that they cannot put the Killer and victim together they have nobody that can testify at court and say these two
were together on that day or right Mouse tricked this kid out into the forest with him and then later we found his
body a month later what I think happened here is that we have a plea bargain I think that they had enough suspicion
surrounding David especially if there's there's there's this rumor going around that the kid
caught him masturbating and told everybody about it yeah caught him flicky flicky this dude is going to be
your number one suspect when the kid goes missing and when you find his body a month later you're going to keep
confronting him and confronting him and say hey we know this and we know that about you David Mouse what we know from
the the 2003 murders he eventually confessed to all three of us so that that is who he is that's his
makeup so very likely what happened here is he says okay you're you're suspicious
of me yeah I was with him what what his story is is that we were out riding together on these mopeds in the forest
and little Jimmy smacked into a tree like Sunny Bono and died and I just I just hit his body and then left I got
scared and left so they they they can kind of piece together what they believe happened but they don't have any way of
proving that in court and in fact this was a a court marshaled situation and he was sentenced to some sources to say
five years and some sources say four years at Fort lenworth for this situation and again because he's
enrolled into the the military I wonder if that had something to do with him being charged with a lesser crime I I
again I'm guessing it's what he was agreeing to be to be convicted of right he probably stuck to his story that the
kid died on it in some kind of accident on these stolen mopeds out in the forest
what's weird here and I know I keep saying that but David Mouse to me seems to be a very unique serial killer and
we'll get into why I believe that here in a bit but he gets this very light sentence right captain of depending on
which source four or five years he is getting paroled after serving just 3 years during the parole portion he's
telling authorities do not parole me do not let me out I don't want to be let out of prison keep me here this was
either ignored or denied and he was released in 1977 yeah but you see this occasionally
or at least through like the journals or the thoughts or interviews of many serial killers where they go I killed
this guy then I told myself never again and so I think this is a situation where
he's going just keep me locked up because I'm going to do this again right I think he has a realization of who he
is of what he's capable of and maybe he's even afraid of that himself and does not like who he is does not want to
be evil but he believes himself to be it almost it's like I can't control myself
keep me here please I don't want to hurt anybody else well after he's released he's going to he's going to get back to
America he's going to be living in Chicago and he's going to be committing more crimes there and these are violent
crimes and these are situations where it's just it's just bizarre because this next event went so far as
that he was actually tried and went to trial for this in 1980 for armed violence attempted murder an aggravated
battery this was from a stabbing that took place in 1979 the victim's named Mark nhart who
was a co-worker with David Mouse at the FJ Lial machine company in Chicago uhhuh
Mouse had been working with this company for 18 months he was making about a th000 bucks a month as a machinist he
and Mark were hanging out one night when Mouse suddenly stabbed Who David Mouse refers to as his friend
he stabs his friend in the abdomen with an 8 in knife well he just beat his one friend to death with a board with nails
sticking out a few years earlier so he he likes to be friends with these people and then it's almost like this guy hates
himself so much that if you're friends with him he wants you dead yeah and thankfully Mark lived through the
situation David Mouse lied on the witness stand apparently saying that this whole incident was an
accident it sounds to me like there just was not enough evidence to convict mous
of anything so he was found to be not guilty in the situation but what we're pointing out here Captain is that David
Mouse one got off light for a murder in Germany and then got away with it entirely for an attempted murder here in
Chicago just a couple years later I wonder if this friend caught him jerking off well I don't know but a couple of
months later mouse stabbed someone else this time the guy died here's what happened this is per the Chicago Tribune
in August of 1981 David Mouse started to believe that the cause of his violent Behavior was from a
homosexual incident or homosexual activity that he had engaged with with a a boy just a few years earlier so he's
all mad and worked up about this situation he decides he's going to go out and look for this teenager and when
he finds him he's going to kill him maybe he was afraid that the the boy would tell people about it at the time
mouse was living in Woodale a western suburb of Chicago so he drove to his former
neighborhood of green view where he knew that the teenager was living at the time
you know he's asking around about this kid and he learned that the kid was in jail
so his Target the person he's all enraged at that he wants to find and kill he's not going to be able to
because this kid's locked up in jail so he decides on the spot you know what I'll just go after someone else
and really anyone else he spots Donald Jones age 15 this is almost like a surate victim for
mous yeah he somehow gets this 15-year-old into his vehicle he drove out to a remote location this was a
gravel Quarry where he stabbed the teenager in the stomach and then threw him in a water-filled gravel pit the kid
of course begging for his life years later mous would would write about this attack and this is saying things like he
could even years later he could still hear Donald Jones the 15-year-old saying I'm only 15 please do not kill me please
don't hurt me the the 15-year-old drowned in that waterfill Gravel Pit it's amazing that David was able to read
or write with his horrible upbringing and his lack of Education yeah the body of this kid would not be found until
almost two months later I have no idea Captain to be perfectly honest with everyone it's completely unclear to me
how David mouse was caught for this and and but he was eventually charged with the murder of Donald Jones this is a
stranger on Stranger attack right I don't know what led to him but what we do know is that before David Mouse could
be prosecuted he decides boom I'm out of here he took off for Texas so in December of 198 81 the same year while
mouse was in the Lone Star State the following incident took place a 14-year-old boy named Steven Anderson
was walking home from a 7-Eleven that's for those not familiar that's an old gas
station in galvaston Texas he's walking home with his buddy Richard sweet Mouse pulled up in a two-tone Chevy Blazer and
asked if they wanted to earn some money doing some work for him they both say yes but Mouse says I only need one of
you so Richard sweet he says you know what I had a bad feeling about the situation so I just said you know what
I'm not interested the other boy Steven Anderson climbed into the Blazer and told David mouse that he needed to call
his mother to let her know where he was so Mouse drove the kid to a motel a few blocks away and Steven walked into the
motel room before he could use the phone mous punched him in the back of the head
right then he put him on the bed and kept punching Stephen threatening that if he screamed or yelled he would kill
him Mouse took off the boy's pants and Steven says he does not recall anything after that up to this point where Mouse
drops the kid off at a park just a few hours later right he tries to give the kid some money saying you know don't
tell anybody what happened here's some money don't talk about this according to the police report the
kid was in the hospital for this attack for about a week he had several injuries
severe injuries to his arms face head shoulders and chest and a stab wound to the
abdomen there were marks on this kid's wrist that indicate that he was tied up and bound at some point during this
attack he later told the newspaper quote my mom said that they did test on me at
the hospital and I wasn't raped but I think he did rape me and my mom was just protecting me at the time and maybe it's
something that he's blocked out of his memory mouse was charged with causing bodily injury to a child he plad guilty
and was sentenced to 5 years years the Texas authorities were a aware of his outstanding warrant for the Jones murder
in Illinois and so while he was in prison in galston Cook County Illinois officials arrived down there to talk
with him about the Donald Jones murder case there again we see the repeated actions of this guy he confesses to
police that he killed Donald Jones however he refused to sign any type of written statement I
mean this guy is an absolute monster monster and what also is apparent here I think
is he's a loose cannon it seems like a lot of these attacks there's definitely some sexual
aspects to a lot of this Behavior Behavior but also a lot of this seems Revenge filled and and and hate filled
where it doesn't take much to make him fly off the rails and and attack someone to the point where he's stabbing people
yeah and I know I was making the joke that he looks like Nick nty mixed with the Ultimate Warrior it's almost you
know the the the whole character of The Ultimate Warrior was come in you be explosive and and then you're done right
and it's but it seems like that's kind of characteristic of of how David acts so Captain he's locked up for this
attack this what you could almost determine to be attempted murder but only charged with causing bodily harm to
a juvenile locked up in Texas Illinois officials come down and he verbally confesses to killing Donald Jones will
not sign a written statement what's discussed behind the scenes is that all of the parties
involved determined that we need to extradite David mouse back to Chicago so that he can be charged for the murder of
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Mouse is now happening in 1983 Captain he's extradited from Texas back up to Illinois he's 28 years old at
this time this next part gets very confusing because he's extradited to face murder
charges the victim again Donald Jones yeah but what takes placees David mouse was institutionalized and basically sits
there for an entire decade while not a whole lot happens with the murder charge itself this is because they're trying to
evaluate David Mouse to see if he is sane or not so there was a a big discrepancy between the experts who
disagreed in their assessments of this man's sanity some of the according to court
records some of the medical experts found him to be insane and others found him to be quite sane and that he should
be tried for this murder well they all found him to be a pile of [ __ ] well didn't one of the police officers write
something like on on the cover sheet of this where he says um he's a bad guy gayy type yeah that was from the
extradition paperwork where one of the detectives called him a gasey type which is very interesting because that is what
we would later see in the 2003 murders it's so much like gy but it's I mean it's like Dean
Coral we've seen this time and time again Jeffrey dmer was doing the same thing it's if you want to if you want to
attract teenage boys to hang out with you and you're an adult give them some alcohol give them some money give them
some marijuana and that's stuff that they can't get elsewhere and they will hang out with you yeah and then and then
we've also seen that after you give those said teenage boys marijuana or beer that even times where these guys
are they're offering them a rubb and tug or they're offering them you know how about you suck me off or I suck you off
or whatever it is right it's almost like some of these these teenagers will just
go well I didn't know if he was joking or not or or I thought that was strange but he he never touched me yeah Bob
bordell did the same thing the way that he's a little bit different from gasy and more like he's on a fat slob more
like Dean coral and more like Jeffrey dmer in my opinion is that he mous according to his own words later was
looking for a victim and I know gayy was looking for a victim but the situation with gasy was a little different most of
the his victims were worked for him or the lore the the ruse was giving them jobs you said jobs where in this
situation it's simply mous supplying them with alcohol and drugs Dean Coral very similar situation although Dean
Coral the Candyman had other teenagers bringing these teenagers to his home Jeffrey dmer simply picked on on poor
people he picked on poor young victims and would use small amounts of money in a lot of occasions to get these teenage
boys back to his apartment Jeffrey D the sugar daddy David Mouse told detectives
cuz they asked him they're like well how did you pick your victims and he said I would watch in the
neighborhood and I would see the kids whose parents never seemed to be around the kids who were always out hanging out
on the street the ones that were always outside and I knew that I could approach
them and I could off off for them things that they probably wanted beer cigarettes marijuana money and such and
I could get them to become my friend and spend some time with me yeah well I think the other thing though too is uh
because he was uh I guess you would say abandoned by his family there probably had to be a a loneliness there for David
and so find other individuals that are lonely because the Common Thread it seems like in most these crimes or at
least a high percentage of the crimes that he's committing is like you said they're friends they became friends MH
they they were friends before they became victims so David mouse was finally held legally accountable for the
Donald Jones murder but as we said he pretty much sat there for a decade while they tried to determine if he was sane
or not to charge him with this so he's not charged until May of 1994 to which Captain I know you know what what takes
place here he pled guilty yeah but like you said that's kind of it's his makeup yeah but I think that has a lot to do
with as far as when they say he's insane or not insane I think the fact that he is confessing to these crimes proves
that he is of sane mind he's sane enough to say what I've done is insane and I should not be around other people he
plad guilty he was sentenced to 35 years in prison at his sentencing the brother
of the victim stands up and tells the Cook County circuit court judge quote please do not let him out to hurt any
other kid again David mouse was out of prison 5 years later you said he was sentenced to 35 years yes and he gets
out in five okay so this is what's horrific but I mean he must be he seriously he must be giving hand jobs to
to every Pro officer well no there was there was some laws that were in place at the time that were just bad laws and
other states have been guilty of this too throughout our history where they have the prison population is
overcrowded so they're they're trying to speed up the the the process and yeah what they end up doing is letting these
guys out way too soon in this particular situation what we have is in 1981 the year that Mouse killed Donald Jones in
the state of Illinois state law called for murderers and others to get credit for everyday served it was under this
situation Captain they're basically getting a two for one on the days served keep in mind he's been sitting there
this whole time while they try to determine if he's sane or insane this is roughly about 12 years so mouse gets
credit for all 12 of these years he serves five years in prison so now we're up to 17 and he's getting a two for one
credit so if you do the math according to mous and according to the sentencing laws at the time he did almost all of
the 35 your sentence it's just a it's just a broken system it's a it's a bad law and
just think about what's happening at this time you we have uh the War on Drugs is happening they're they're
locking up individuals for selling crack and for selling marijuana and putting them in jail for all this time but on
the other hand you have a situation here where where David Mouse is let out it's
absolutely ridiculous so now David Mouse is getting out of prison again and every
victim after this should sue the state well they could all still be alive it's yeah it's again it's just bad state law
at the time and they did go on to change that and M mainly because of this case and and some others as well but he's
getting out after this time served David Mouse did not again he does not want out of
prison oddly enough in 1999 Mouse wrote a five-page letter to the Illinois Department of Corrections
asking that he not be released from prison even though he had done his time mous wanted to be classified as a
sexually violent prisoner eligible to be held indefinitely he wrote quote when I
came to prison I would sit up at night thinking about how I would feel about the possibility of staying in prison for
the rest of my life and I came to the conclusion it's the right thing for my life and being in prison is where I
belong because I gave up the right to be free when I committed the crimes that brought me here in the first place look
I think maybe there would be a difference this guy seems apologetic maybe even a little bit reformed
possibly so they're going okay well the decision to let him out is not so bad if
he would have stated you know what you let me out I'm going to do it again you let me out I'm going to befriend
somebody and I'm going to murder them and and if you let me do that I'm going to be friend another one and kill them
and befriend another one and kill them and I'm just not going to stop killing people because that's who I am well the
Department of Corrections stated that he did not meet the criteria to be placed on any to be placed on that list and
basically held in their facilities so despite all of this he's released and on parole in
1999 he lived in Oak Park Illinois you know he's not going to be allowed to leave the state while he's still on
parole so he's going to live there until 2001 well at least until 2001 without committing any known crimes right
because years later he said that he attacked an ex prison mate this man's name is Anthony merer Mouse said that he
had Anthony visit him with the promise that the two would start a marijuana grow operation together M said that he
had the funds to buy a large piece of property and start up this whole operation but of course this was all a
lie mous attacked Anthony maer with a pipe and according to Anthony he says he yelled at Mouse to stop and eventually
he did so merer survived Mouse then took Anthony to the hospital even signing the
papers to admit him to the hospital the attack on Anthony Maser required Anthony
to get 48 Staples and 26 stitches and of course we later learned that Mouse says that he he lied about
the marijuana grow farm he made the whole thing up because he wanted a friend he later wrote quote it's true
that I only met Anthony because I lied to him and I told him I had lots of money from selling drugs right I was
hoping in time I could turn that lie into a truth as we became better friends but Anthony wanted to live in Wisconsin
so that Saturday afternoon I tried to get him drunk and then I beat his head in with a pipe end quote Anthony decided
to try to press charges but this was after several months he waited so this was after several months and police
later said that they didn't have sufficient evidence for an arrest after that much time had passed so another
very V vient vicious attack that almost left another person dead and murdered he's not even charged with anything in
this situation it's so strange too it's like in this case maybe a little bit different because his friend wants to
move to Wisconsin so I think there's a part of him that well I'll kill him so he can't leave me he doesn't leave me
yeah yeah I don't want him to leave me but and I think that makes this victim different as the other ones and maybe he
befriended these people then then he was afraid we we don't know if there was an
interaction between any of these other victims where oh I said something and I I didn't think they were going to be
friends with me anymore so I killed them too I almost think there was part part of something in his psyche like I said
before something that is telling him you like me you're my friend and that makes
you awful could be and he hates himself and therefore he hates anybody that would accept him or like him right but
what's interesting and what you're getting at here too is that time and time again he is friends with all of
these victims before they are his victim with the exception of Donald Jones who is basically a surrogate victim for the
person he sought for the teenager he went looking for and could not find right so David Mouse parole ended in
2002 and it was then early the next year in 2003 that he moved to Hammond Indiana where we now know that he killed
the three teenage boys that were hanging out at his apartment and buried him in cement in his basement he's one that
immediately people when they learn about David Mouse he's not a very well-known serial killer he is in Northwestern
Indiana because that's where they he killed three victims most people when they learn
about David Mouse they say he's got to have more victims the span of crimes between the murders it's it's 29
years and three murders at the end of one spectrum and two at the the beginning of the other and 29 years he's
got to have more victims he has more victims he just didn't kill them is what it appears to me because what we need to
keep in mind is out of that 29 years he's basically locked up for about 21 years of that
time period he's not out and free for the entire 29 years cuz his Situation's very unique
he's convicted of murder serves some time and he's released later convicted of another murder serves some time and
is released again we've seen this in other cases Kenneth McDuff the broomstick killer who we talked about
when we covered the yogurt shop murders yeah he's another situation where he murdered someone he was convicted of
murder and then released he gets out and he kills again Jack Henry Abbott the author of in the belly of the Beast same
thing he murdered someone he's in prison he writes the book in the belly of the Beast people fall in love with this guy
they read his book and they're like oh he's he's a victim on some level himself and he served a good amount of prison
time let's go ahead and let him out his fans called for him to be let out they let him out and sure enough he kills
somebody else again yeah so this is not something that we haven't seen before but it it is a very uncommon situation
where you kill serve time you're released you kill again mouse does this three different times which is
incredibly unique but then you also have the situation of he is a rare serial killer because of
remorse this guy almost shows Contrition where he he's remorseful and penitent of of his crimes and of his murders and
he's weird because that word remorse is really difficult to slap on to David mous you know he has said multiple times
my victims did not deserve what they got right what I did to these people they did not deserve this so he at least at
at the very least identifies them as a victim some serial killers blame their actions on the victims
themselves but with David mous I don't know that I would use the word remorse I think that it's misused in this
situation I think that his situation seems to me more of he recognizes himself as evil he does
not approve of his actions and he knows the only way that he's not going to do these again is if
he remains locked up lock me up and throw away the key so I can't go out there and be evil right but what we see
with David is they lock him up and they always release him yes yes he does and that's even when
he even when they go to release him he goes don't don't release me and I think at some point he had to go this system
is not going to protect anybody else you know I I can't stop whatever I'm doing I've been telling everybody I
can't stop but they keep letting me out So eventually I'll get out eventually we'll do this again well in in reviewing
this case Captain when I saw that first conviction for murder he plad guilty in the first situation and he says as part
of my plea agreement I would like to not be put in the general prison population and I
always thought at first that maybe that is because he does not want prison Justice to come down on him you know we
said this time and time again Charles Manson was terrified that somebody was going to murder him in prison right and
he did a lot of things made a lot of maneuvering so that he would be kept in isolation or in special housing or
special wing of the prison so it'd be less likely that somebody could attack and kill him I assume that going into
this with David Mouse I now look at this and go well is there a chance that he didn't want to be put in the p in the
general prison population because he thought he would kill somebody there yeah because people are lonely in
prison they become friends and what does David do with his friends he murdered murders them or or tries to murder
them after David mouse was convicted and sentenced to three life terms this in 2005 David mous wrote to the detective
in charge of the case in Hammond Indiana the the one that arrested him David uh detective Johnson who at this
point after being convicted David Mouse considers the detective to be a friend of his he writes to him and he says
quote not now but when the time is right I will do the right thing for the parents and for the
taxpayers who have to be pissed with the thought of having to pay to keep an evil
person like me alive end quote then in January of 2006 mous got word that he was about to
be transferred to the doc facility to begin serving his life sentence he was still in in the Lake County Jail at this
time his attorney his defense attorney was Thomas vains who visited him the day before the
transfer he said that he saw no hint that David was going to kill himself yeah sometimes there's no sign
but Mouse did tell him that he was thinking about it and he told his attorney he was thinking about it in
some vague terms where he said someday day I will kill myself but at the end of this meeting David mous gave his defense
attorney several of his personal items the next day on January 19th at 3:50 a.m. mous hung himself with a braided
bed sheet in his cell the hanging broke his neck and he was found brain dead he's alive but brain dead right so
they trans transferred him to St Anthony Medical Center in Crown Point but the next day I wonder who got all the trophy
as his brother debated turning off the life support mous died of heart failure you almost wonder if like the universe
wanted Mouse to suffer a little bit well his attorney Thomas vain said quote I think he was determined to die on his
own terms and if he couldn't get the death penalty this was his second choice now David Mouse did leave a seven page
suicide note and here are some excerpts from that he likes to write my he says my brother was right about one thing I
should have been given the death sentence for all of my evil acts of violence that I committed in life he
goes on to say the day after the Hammond Police came to my home I decided to leave for some place unknown I wasn't
running to keep from being punished because I always knew I should be destroyed and killed like they sometimes
do to a wild animal that escapes from confinement for I know how to punish myself and I only left that day to
punish myself for the shameful evil Life I Lived and because of the embarrassment
I would cause the people who knew me and allowed me into their homes yeah my greatest fear of suffering was for the
pain sorrow and grief the parents would feel when they learned their loving Sons
were gone again insane acts but he knows they're insane which I believe makes him
a sane person we talk about and people question did David Mouse commit more murders and one thing that I find
fascinating is that his defense attorney says he does not believe David Mouse committed any other murders and this is
because David Mouse wrote a lot when he was in prison toward the end of his life
before he took his life not just in the suicide note that was several pages long
but he also kept a diary where he talked about attacks that law enforcement were
not aware of or attacks that didn't lead that didn't end in Murder but it didn't
end in a conviction either and I think that his attorney is look his attorney is the real deal this attorney vins
because vins has seen this from both ends from both sides of the fence vins used to be a prosecutor he prosecuted
other murderers he sent other murderers to death sentences and then later in life he
became a defense attorney and defends this serial killer and much like with the people that defended
gasy your your obligation really to your client at that point when you know this
guy is 100% guilty of murdering people an evil an evil is not to keep him out of prison it's to keep him from getting
the death penalty and I think that vains is the one that says look there's no doubt in my mind that
David mous wanted to die and we know that for a fact because he did kill himself and vain says that had he
committed any other murders had David Mouse committed any other murders that would have got him a step closer to the
death penalty he would have told us about him that death penalty was his number one choice on how to die suicide was his
second option another note from the suicide note another piece from the suicide note Captain David Mouse wrote
in my life I committed five horrible murders I killed Jame mcclister age 13 Donald Jones age 16 Nicholas James age
19 James Rani age 16 and Michael Dennis age 13 for these five were very special in how they were so kind caring
thoughtful joyful and loving young people who did not deserve to die and I have prayed many days that I could go
back through time and undo the pain sorrow and grief that I have caused their families friends and the neighbors
from their communities for I know these five were very much loved and will forever be dismissed I feel like David
Edward Mouse attorney said it best when he said quote David mous was a one-of-a-kind client with an outsized
drive for self-standing and atonement he was capable of horri iic violence with an equal capacity for contrition David
was genuinely sorry for hurting others right up to the time that he did it again I want to thank everybody so much
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Brief Summary

David Edward Mouse's violent history includes multiple murders and a complex psyche, culminating in his suicide while in custody.

Key points

David Mouse's Early Life. David Mouse's troubled upbringing leads to a series of violent crimes.
The Murder of Jimmy. David Mouse befriends a boy, leading to a tragic murder.
Attempted Murder Charges. Mouse's violent tendencies continue as he stabs a friend.
The Murder of Donald Jones. Mouse's rage leads him to kill a teenager in a brutal attack.
Victim's Brother's Plea. At sentencing, the victim's brother urges the judge to keep Mouse incarcerated.
David Mouse's Confession. David Mouse pleads guilty and expresses remorse for his actions.

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