Robert Browne Serial Killer /// OFF THE RECORD | Forensic Files

[music] [music] [music] Tis the season for candy. I'm thinking this year I might get like
fullsize candy bars to pass out. because we I don't get a lot of kids. >> Mhm. >> So, I thought like
because the the neighborhood there's not a lot of kids. I wonder I know that there's a lot of houses that
don't participate. So, the kids that do, I've been thinking that would probably really make their
trick-or- treat a little bit better. Last year I put uh a bucket on the front porch
>> on your head though >> with the light on bucket full of candy. And when I by the time I came home I
could tell not one single piece was removed from the bucket. Nobody nobody came to my house. I don't have any kids
on my street and my street is >> not super close to any neighborhoods like you wouldn't walk there. So, um,
this year I I'm going uh it's really just one family that has kids on my street and I don't know,
maybe they didn't trick-or-treating, maybe they took them elsewhere like >> Yeah,
>> it would make sense to like drive them to a neighborhood. So, this year I'm not
leaving a bucket cuz I I ended up with so many candy bars I one I overbought. Mhm.
>> Completely filled the bucket and then I've managed to eat my way through a whole bucket of candy bars.
>> Mhm. >> Uh and I did that in about a a four or five month time period. So >> I thought you were going to say a four
or five hour window. [laughter] Good. Wow. >> No, if I So like the bucket was about
the size of one of your speakers right there. So that's giant. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, Captain, I meant to
get to this when we covered the Robert Brown Heather Church case a couple weeks ago, but for whatever reason, it got
lost in the shuffle. Um, and I thought that our listeners would find this interesting because it it talks about
some individuals that we talk about quite a bit. So, this is from the Colorado Springs Gazette. If you want to
find uh this article along with some other articles that go with it, you can find that at I guess it would be
gazette.com. So uh this is uh if you remember, we talked about Robert Brown. He is the man
who we know has killed two people. He's been convicted of killing two people. He's sitting in prison for that. Sounds
like he's in Florida and he hates Florida, which is good. I hope he's extremely uncomfortable. And uh he has
claimed to kill as many as 51. But what is most reported in his writings is that
he has killed 48 people in nine states including Colorado. This article is from 2006. Uh Brown was 53 back then. Um and
it's it's basically this article is going to talk about serial killers. The whole the whole idea of that. though.
Most serial killers, someone who commits at least three killings with a cooling off period between pick victims who are
the same gender and of similar age and looks. Although several Browns victims, according to his writings, were young uh
petite women, others appear to have no similarities beyond being what he described as quote opportunities. Among
them, he says, were a couple camping on a California beach and two men along a Mississippi highway. Now, this quote
says, "When the urge comes to people like him, everybody's in danger," said Robert Wrestler, a retired FBI profiler
who's credited with coining the phrase serial killer. We all know that uh Robert Wrestler is one of the is is the
real life version of one of the characters off of Mind Hunter. Uh the article goes on to say the killers
usually target females or males but not both because Brown says he killed both. Wrestlers said it indicates he is likely
bisexual. Many killers get a sexual high during the killing. A man who was buddies with Brown in the mid 1980s and
who has been interviewed by investigators say Brown talked about having sex with other men. Quote, "He
had tried to initiate sex with me, which I basically declined. The man who didn't
want to uh the man who didn't want his name used said during a phone interview, "It is
estimated that 35 to 50 serial killers are operating in the United States at any given time and about a dozen are
arrested each year." Retired FBI agent John Douglas wrote on his website, johndouglasmindhunter.com,
quote, "They don't identify with their victims or feel any sympathy toward them."
>> Sorry, I lost my spot here. >> As you have a bucket on your head. >> Yeah. As they see it, they've been
victims all their lives, dominated and controlled by other people. This is their chance to call the shots to decide
who lives or dies and how someone should die. Sheriff's officials have linked Brown to 20 killings and think he
probably has more victims. Wrestler thinks Brown fudged the number of people he said that he killed. Quote, "They
tend to inflate their figures." Wrestler said, "It's very clear to me this guy is
on an ego trip. He may have killed a lot, but I think he is bumping it up. I think he's putting himself ahead of the
pack, so he becomes the most notorious in the country. Wrestler said the US serial killer convicted of the most
killings was John Wayne Gayy, executed for killing 33 boys and young men, most of whom he buried in a crawl space under
his home. Others have claimed more victims, but weren't convicted of all of them. Brown is a textbook example of a
serial killer. Experts said his background includes cruelty to animals, theft, burglary, and arson. He's
intelligent, unemotional, fixated on sex, and a loner who says he was abused during childhood. In prison since 1995
for killing 13-year-old Heather Dawn Church of Black Forest, Brown has spent the past four years slowly and sometimes
teasingly giving details to sheriff's officials about people he says he killed. He methodically described how he
killed some of his victims without planning the crimes. He strangled several, shot others, and used ice picks
or screwdrivers to stab some. One woman he said was slobbering drunk behaving like a [ __ ] She was and so what the
hell opportunity arose again. End quote. This is according to court documents. He
says he dismembered at least two women, one in his bathtub and another in a motel bathtub
uh with a doll butcher knife from the kitchenet. Two of the victims were neighbors and
others were strangers he met mostly while on what he called ramblings. He says he killed more women than men and
that he had sex with several of the women beforehand. Brown told sheriff's officials he couldn't explain why he
killed but said he has a low opinion of women. >> Uh I'm not going to >> I'm not going to go on to give him he he
goes on to badmouth women. M >> uh we don't need to do that. Um but wrestler will will continue to give
some of his thoughts about Brown. He says >> I thought you were going to say that
wrestler continues to badmouth women. >> No, no, no, no. Uh wrestler says he sounds like a sexually motivated type of
killer. These people have sex drives that are out of control. It's never consensual, always forced. They have
these abusive relationships and then they go off and kill. >> Yeah. So that's that's one thing. You
know, there was some suspicion that that he that Brown was going to burglarize the church home, Heather Dawn Church's
home. And he says in his, you know, in his prison confession, which was not a, you know, it's it's not
a legit confession, but in this prison confession, he says that he was going to burglarize the home and then Heather
scared him and he reacted by hitting her over the head, >> right? >> Which again, as wrestlers pointing out,
these guys lie. That's what they do. Um, and I believe that I believe his his most of his killings were probably
sexually motivated. I believe he that that it was rape that led to to the killing to cover up the rape. I believe
in Heather's case, as we said on our show a couple weeks ago when we covered it, the only thing missing from that
home was Heather. Now, I don't know, and and I'm not going to pretend to know that he knew that she was in the house.
He may have gone there with the intent of burglarizing the home, but I believe that the evidence shows that she was
actually asleep in her bed and very likely did not scare him and very likely he did not just react and strike her
over the head. I think he saw her sleeping and decided he was going to steal something else rather than
whatever he entered the home for. >> Right. And >> and there's not a bunch of evidence that
there was a like a brutal crime scene at >> at church's home. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. And that's the thing that
really threw police for uh for a loop there was there wasn't any sign of forced entry into the home and there
wasn't any sign of a struggle inside the home. And that's why I think she may have been asleep in her bed when he when
he picked her up and took her. >> Right. Um, so and if he struck her over the head with something, you would think
that there'd be some kind of evidence of that of that going down that way. So >> you believe so?
>> He's minimizing his >> They always do, don't they? >> Right. He's minimizing who he is. He's a
terrible piece of [ __ ] And then then on top of that, as wrestler points out, he's giving this very grandioso number
of 48 or 51. And that at the time would put him as the most notorious. >> That's what makes no sense is I'm going
to minimize the the crime, but then I'm going to maximize the number. >> Well, he here's the thing. It's an ego
trip. He It's like It's like having the high score on a video game. You want the
highest score. He wants the highest score. He doesn't want to tell you that he's actually a a rapist, a child
molester, a child rapist. He doesn't want to tell >> He doesn't want to tell you he used the
Game Genie to get it. >> He doesn't want to Right. He doesn't want to tell you that he's a despicable
person. He's actually embarrassed by some of his crimes and he's not embarrassed by the killing part.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's losers. what it is, >> you know, but and and I don't get that whole idea,
too. What's the number? So, let me hike up my number. So, so maybe I'll be known
as the most notorious. Well, he wants the attention. Yeah. >> You know, he's he's he's
trapped in a cell and he's going to be there forever. He's got nothing else to do. He's got nothing to occupy his time
or his mind. And this is a game he's going to choose to play. This is how he's going to to spend his days. And and
so we have >> Yeah. And and look, even if there are telling the truth, it's really hard to
believe any of them. And it's just like with the some of the Chris Watts uh confession stuff that's come out, it it
you just kind of go I I don't know. I don't know if this is even important to read because I I can't believe it
either way. >> And so what are what are we learning from it if we can't believe the
information either way? I question myself that when I'm, you know, 6 hours into murder land.
>> You mean specifically Chris Watts or or or Robert Brown or both? Oh, I'm just
saying it with the serial killers in general when they start going over information and it's like you can't
believe, you know, just like we we have evidence that it didn't go down the way Brown
said. So then [clears throat] what good is it to to talk to these individuals? >> Well, in in Chris Watts's case, it's not
there's no there's no benefit to learning anything from him. Um >> well with Brown the the reason
>> with Brown the benefit [clears throat] is that you might be able to solve some
cases. >> Right. Right. Right. >> You know we know what Chris Watt did. We don't we don't know the details of such
and there there were actually a lot of people that that emailed I got a ton of emails saying
>> are you going to cover his so-called confessions Chris Watts confess? And I was like man I had enough of that case.
I I appreciated the suggestion and I appreciated the email, but you know, one can
>> it it you know, it's like >> that was a case I was happy to move on from and and and like you pointed out,
there's not there's not [ __ ] to learn from Chris Watts. >> Yeah. And the funny thing is, uh, out of
all like the confessions that I've actually read and and seen and stuff, I actually I actually lean more towards
his being, um, probably more accurate of what happened, but that's because he's doing the
opposite where Brown is going, "Well, I was just uh, I just went in the house to
steal some stuff, >> right? >> And then this girl woke me up, so I accidentally hit her too hard on the
head, and then she died, so then I had to take her with me." and that's minimizing everything. But then in the
Chris Watts confession, it's like I did this and this is awful. And then I'm going to tell you about the next awful
thing I did. >> And there's not a lot of minimizing anything. It's almost >> um like that he can't, you know. So I
don't know. But >> but as I question why whether or not we should talk to these individuals, one of
my favorite shows is Mine Hunter. So don't listen to me. Well, I think I had a little too much apple cider at the
pumpkin patch. >> Here's an author in the same article, Steve Edgar, I believe is his name.
>> Um, I don't see the name of his book or his books, but uh he's a professor of
criminology or was at one time at the University of Houston. Uh he says, quote, "Once they are caught, you know,
referring to serial killers, once they're caught, they feel like it's over." in many cases they have the
attention that they haven't had in the past. And then later in the article, uh, Robert K. Wrestler goes on to say, um,
in regards to Brown, he says, I believe his confessions are for just simply for the attention that
that he's getting some notoriety even though he's in prison. and he says, quote, "This is the day he's living
for." End quote. >> Yeah. Yeah. These these sick bastards drive me >> Yeah. But I I kind of like what the um
the people that spoke to Robert Brown. We we recommended Charlie Hess's book. >> Yeah. I have a lot of respect for them.
>> Well, well, a couple weeks ago. Yeah. >> And we recommended um The Devil's Right-Hand Man book the week before
that. >> Yeah. So Charlie Hess and Lou Schmidt and and those uh they called themselves
something kind of funny like the Apple Dumpling Gang or something like that. Um [clears throat]
>> yeah, me you and uh >> the Apple Dumpling Gang. >> Yeah. Me, you, and let's get like uh uh
Rener and um Morgan. >> Yeah. >> And get a few other people will be the Blood Hound Gang. Remember the Blood
Hound Gang? >> Oh yeah. I >> not not the band. I'm talking cuz there's people out there like, "Yeah,
the band. [ __ ] yeah." >> That's what I was talking about. The band. >> I'm talking about the actual They took
the name from um >> What the hell was that show? 321 Contact. Remember 321 Contact? It was
like a science show on PBS. >> Uhhuh. >> Well, not every episode, but at the end
of some of the episodes, they had a little thing called the Blood Hound Gang, and it was these kids that solved
mysteries. >> Mhm. So that's where where the name Blood Hound Gang. >> Yeah. Anytime somebody says Blood Hound
Gang, all I can think of is the bass players penis because uh I went to see a festival and uh Blood Hound Gang was one
of the bigger groups, one of the groups that me and my buddies were excited to see and they were running around on
stage being all goofy and then all of a sudden their bass player leaves the stage and all of a sudden, you know, I'm
rocking out to the Blood Hound Gang, >> right? You're nothing but a mammal. >> And yeah, just Yeah. Do it like they do
on the Discovery Channel, >> right? >> Um and the whole crowd is looking at me and I'm like, "Oh my god,
>> my penis is out. >> Why are they looking at me?" Yeah, that's the first thing I thought was my
penis was out. >> But I turned around, >> why are you mammals looking at me? And
the bass player, which I think he might have like took his I know he had no shirt on when he started, but then I
think maybe he took his pants off. >> Did he do the Chili Peppers where they cover it up with a sock? Remember the
Chili Peppers used to be pretty famous for that? >> But they also would like rock out just
in their underwear. And I think for a while he was just playing the gig in his underwear. But when I noticed everybody
was staring at me and my penis wasn't hanging out that I was like I should maybe there's somebody behind me. So I
turned around and it was the bass player and he's rocking his bass. He's on top.
I had seats. He's standing on top of my seat rocking out. Um you know very um airheads like
>> right >> uh >> that's a movie for the young people out there. You know, the legs were spread wide.
>> Oh, yeah. Like the bass player from Airheads. Yeah. >> But but but the thing was is when I turn
around, so I'm like, "Oh, naked man, but bass is right in front of the dude's penis." And then so I turn I kind of
like turn around like, "Oh, that's what everybody's looking at." So now I'm like
turn now I turn around and there's I don't know good uh 5,000 people staring at me like what are you doing? Why
aren't you why aren't you looking back? Uh why are you looking at us? And so the
next time I turned around to get a glimpse of what was happening, he moved the base and there it was
>> fully erect. Sorry, hold on. Airheads, man. I've kind of forgot about that. Was
a great movie. Good soundtrack, too. >> Yeah, >> the the Ramones are on that soundtrack.
>> I can't remember what their band was called. Um, >> the Lone Rangers. >> Yeah, the
>> remember because Joe >> is his name Joe Montana. So he was playing the actor, he was
playing a DJ at this record station that played rock and roll music, hard rock. >> And the he he's giving them a lecture on
they can't be the lone rangers, you know, the plural rangers. They're not alone, [laughter]
>> right? That's what makes such such a great >> If you haven't seen that movie, that's a
that's one to watch. Fire that one up >> there. Yeah, there was this one uh there
was this singer songwriter in and Key West that I when I go down there and watch, he would play like the afternoon
crowd and he had one record and it was called Greta's tits instead of greatest hits.
>> Oh, >> it was Greta's tits, >> but just the way he would say uh get my recordits
and you go, what did he just say? Greatest tits. So, yeah, the Lone Rangers >> [music]
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Robert Browne Serial Killer /// OFF THE RECORD Episode: 78 Nic and the Captain discuss: Serial Killer Robert Browne www.TrueCrimeGarage.com

Brief Summary

Hosts discuss Halloween candy plans and the serial killer Robert Brown's confessions and psychological profile.

Key points

The Mind of a Serial Killer. Exploring the psyche of Robert Brown, a convicted serial killer with a disturbing past.
Confessions for Attention. Robert Brown's confessions may be more about notoriety than truth.

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Episode quotes

When the urge comes to people like him, everybody's in danger.

Quote from Robert Wrestler, a retired FBI profiler.

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