Brown’s Chicken Massacre /// Part 2 /// 641 | Forensic Files

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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] thank you [Music] the Browns Chicken Massacre
unfortunately was not the first time Illinois had experienced such a tragedy you have The Saint Valentine's Day
Massacre which occurred on Valentine's Day 1929 in Chicago with seven victims left
dead the Browns Chicken case taking place in 1993 but sadly it would not be the last
of its kind experienced in the greater Chicago area we touched a little bit yesterday Captain on the importance of
hold back information and what could be considered hold back information in this case the hold back information
in the Brown's Chicken Massacre to me was kind of different than what we have come accustomed to
what's so great here is that we have no Witnesses now I say that's great that's obviously a big problem for the
investigation you want witnesses witnesses will help you solve this thing faster putting eyes on anything and then
relaying those details and that information to the investigators can only help solve this case faster however
what we have here is we don't have anybody that was in the restaurant that day or night that is saying look this
seems suspicious this seemed odd this guy looked bad I think this guy was walking into the place with a gun or as
I was leaving and I left the parking lot after closing I saw these vehicles there or these
people that were still in the store that's we don't have that here and on top of that we don't have security
footage like you mentioned yesterday exactly right and like we've seen in so many other cases where unfortunately
these murders or homicides take place at a store or a restaurant we oftentimes have a customer or patrons of that
restaurant that are saying when I left everything was fine and this was the person that was still in the store or
this was a person that I saw right before I left and the yogurt shop case we talk about several people saying that
there were still two guys in the store when the girls closed the yogurt shop that night now while I say that having
witnesses will help solve your case faster obviously I say here also that not having any Witnesses is
and can be a good thing it's a good thing for your hold back information because now you have
more pieces that you can hold back from the public that should help you quickly decipher who should be rolled in as
Apostles possible suspect and who should be ruled out and when you're talking about a case of this magnitude where we
have thousands of tips pouring in we have a lot of people working in the case you need it is advantageous to your
investigation if you have the ability to quickly move on from a potential suspect
or quickly hone in on a potential suspect and that's what your holdback information is going to help you with
so with no Witnesses the first item of hold back information and some of this is weird to me Captain because some
of this may have simply have been happenstance some of it had may have been actual hold back information and
we'll go through these one at a time first thing that we have is the actual exact location of the bodies so in the
early reports in the early media reports they had all seven bodies in one location of the restaurant and basically
one corner of the kitchen the northwest corner all in or around that cooler of course we know that was not true we know
that we have five victims in the freezer which is actually in an entirely different corner of the restaurant again
I don't know if that was a situation of the papers got it wrong and police chose
not to correct them or if they chose to hold back that information and just say very simply very generically we found
seven victims they were all found in the kitchen area around this one cooler the other thing and you brought this up
yesterday was the guns remember the newspapers were reporting that it is believed that two guns were
used in the commission of these crimes and we know later that that wasn't the case it was one gun a 38 caliber again I
don't know if this was something that the investigators chose and strategized to withhold from the media and the
public or if it was just a reporter ran with an idea and they chose not to correct the narrative well
again law enforcement when they're talking to reporters because you got to talk to reporters in this
case because the Threat Level that the community and the locals would feel so you have to
pick and choose your words carefully because like you said you don't want to give out too much information and have
somebody come forward with wrong wrongful confession or somebody sending a tip that is sending you on a wild goose
chase because they they got this information from a report and then we have a crime scene detail that was withheld
there was a bullet that had been fired into one of the smoke hoods so this would be above the cookers or the Friars
we don't know if this was intentionally done by the perpetrator or you know to try to fire a shot in the air to gain
control of the people you have seven people that you have to control and Corral or if it was happenstance that there was
a struggle and for whatever reason the gun goes off or the perpetrator is just simply unable to hit their Mark but
there was a bullet that was fired into one of the smoke heads so that hit something either the smoke hood or
something above one of the cookers another item was the money situation now we've seen this with Las Cruces Bull and
several other cases it's very common that the money situation is part of the hold back information what we have in
the Browns Chicken case is we have police informing the media the registers were empty we have two
cash registers both were found empty the safe had been opened and money taken from the safe the only money that they
recovered from the Browns Chicken restaurant was one thousand dollars the one thousand dollars that remained was not
because the perpetrators failed to find this money they they just couldn't gain access to it so it was on one of those
timers so this safe had several different compartments a compartment where you can place things mainly cash
but it also had a compartment that was locked down via timer and you could access money by typing in a code and it
would release a small amount of money like you could request 20 ones or five twenties I don't know what denominations
were allowed for but basically you could not access that money without going past
this timer so that one thousand dollars remained in this compartment now I don't
believe that they released the exact amount of money that had been taken now that could be
considered hold back information the exact amount but also I found in many cases and I and I know you found this
too Captain I think that oftentimes they are not law enforcement is not incredibly precise on the exact amount
of money that was taken yeah I'm sure if they brought in like a financial forensic investigator they could come
up with the amount to the penny based on sales and receipts but if that is not clear at the end of the day law
enforcement just knows that there was some money taken and does it really affect the investigation if it was five
thousand dollars taken or six thousand dollars taken right it could affect your investigation if it's a very
you know not such a round number right if if one individual knew that exactly two thousand and eleven dollars was
stolen that night then that becomes of particular interest but you're exactly right you'd have to bring in somebody to
figure out and decipher exactly how much money was missing and the problem then becomes here in this situation
unfortunately everybody that was working that shift that night became a victim they were killed right
and on top of that the two owner operators were killed too so you don't have a lot
of great leads on getting you to that exact amount so therefore it wouldn't actually be hold back information but
what we do have here is the details of that safe and the registers they chose to release that information to the media
and to the public well again law enforcement could talk to possibly a manager or assistant manager or other
employees to just go hey what's the average sale look like day to day and what does one look like on a Friday and
to get does a ballpark figure on what possibly could have been taken now here is a big
a very big piece of holdback information the detectives were able to figure out a
couple things that went down that night and this is key for so many reasons first of all there was an actual sale
that took place after the store had closed so at 908 pm one of the registers recorded a sale for
a meal this was a chicken coleslaw and Fries Meal which was I believe maybe the most popular
combo meal that they sold at the time we have the dollar amount that is rang in so what happened was they were able
to determine that the register had actually been closed down for the night remember the doors the main entrances
and exits found in the locked position when police arrived and then found the bodies and most those you have to lock
from the inside you can't just lock them from the outside unless you had a key obviously so registers closed and doors
locked those are going to be key indicators to investigators that the restaurant was successfully closed on
time at 9 pm for whatever reason even after the registers were closed we now have a sale of this meal at 908 PM after
the store was supposed to be closed now they also found in one of the trash receptacles
a receipt for this meal and in that trash receptacle they also found remaining portions of this meal in
particular they found chicken this sounds like it would be a complete mess but there was some pretty neat and tidy
things to this crime scene that really helped investigators one knowing that the registers had been successfully
closed to this meal or what remained of this meal in the receipt that they recovered from
the trash receptacle the other trash receptacles had been cleaned out so that part of the closing duties had been done
had been completed right you have this piece of information where you are sitting here going okay well let's try
to piece together what we think may have happened we think that the perpetrator or perpetrators may have gained access
to the store somehow after they closed or remained in the store unseen to other customers
when the store closed and for whatever reason an employee or somebody allowed this late order to be rang in
food prepared and served after the restaurant had actually closed the thing is there's a chance there's a strong
chance that that meal and that receipt have everything to do with your investigation yeah you could get a
fingerprint off that or obviously later on DNA evidence from the from the actual
food so police were working on a couple of theories they had a couple working theories here they weren't
silent about this to the media the one that they were most vocal about was they had said that we
believe this is a robbery gone wrong an armed robbery that went wrong and what they surmised could have happened
was that perp or perpetrators take the money after corralling and controlling the employees and the owners and then
become frustrated when they can't gain access to that last one thousand dollars and either a struggle takes place
or someone is taken out one of the workers which would be a witness was taken out and now you have witnesses and
then they take out the other witnesses that was their general theory that we couldn't gain access to the one
thousand dollars now we're flipping out and a problem breaks out and this thing just got really bad really quick
maybe they showed up never intending to kill anybody just wanted to clean the place out and were frustrated when they
couldn't do so and like you said you have seven victims so we have seven eyewitnesses to this robbery that might
not be that big of a deal to the perpetrators but once something happens and one of the victims now becomes a
murder victim now you have another six eyewitnesses that they felt like they had to dispose of now one theory that
you cannot dismiss and you touched on this yesterday Captain and this is something that I find to be fascinating
you also could have the situation where this was personal maybe somebody wanted revenge and like
you said maybe they thought you know what let's take the money anyway we're here anyway let's clean this place out
or let's clean out this place and make it look like the motive was something else right to jack up the investigation
now remember this whole idea money or something personal would be very similar to what we spoke
about when we discussed the Lane Bryant shooting that's in Tinley Park in another suburb of Chicago this was a
mass murder and armed robbery at a Lane Bryant outlet in Brookside Marketplace in Tinley Park that occurred in February
of 2008 and in that case sadly we end up with five dead one injured who the killer attempted to execute the gunman
was later described as a black man with thick cornrowed hair and a receding hairline
and a single braid that came down the front of his face or near his cheek in that case
was always believed to be a robbery gone awry police are on record saying we believe this was a robbery gone a ride
that one of the hostages taken called 9-1-1 the gunman freaks out and and starts shooting people
armchair detectives and people that we spoke with we're quick to point out hey there's all
these little weird things with inside this case to consider is it possible that there was a hit involved or was it
possible that this was not a robbery gone awry as the police said and that this person goes into the Lane Bryant
with the purpose of killing one or more of these people but kills all of them or
attempts to do so to cover up who the actual Target was well think about this if you're in law
enforcement if you just have if somebody breaks into somebody's house and kills them and and takes nothing or or kills
somebody in their car you start with the Inner Circle and you start working out if you believe that
the crime is not targeted in this case then you're looking for almost an infinite amount of suspects and it's not
crazy that these things actually happen or that people would suspect this in any of these cases you know I was
reviewing a case just the other day where a woman hired two men to kill her husband he was killed inside their home
and of course she tells them make sure you ransacked the place before you leave there's been a string of burglaries here
in our neighborhood it will look like he stumbled upon this break-in and he was attacked and killed not that it was
something personal where a hired hit right so it's not out of the realm of possibility now that Lane Bryant case
was our episode's True Crime garage episodes 200 and 201 that case is is one of the cases that has intrigued me for
years since back in 2008. it's a very fascinating case and one that I think we both believe is very solvable but for
whatever reason it just hasn't been it's rumored that they have DNA in that case
so maybe we get something that that breaks here this year or 2023 the year of got him yeah let's make it happen
let's let's cuff these people and bring them in now we do have suspects and we had
suspects early on in this case so this is actually within hours of the case breaking so there was a man that was
held for questioning this was a 23 year old man he was a former employee of this
particular Brown's Chicken restaurant this man was let go he was fired from his job
what was stated was that he vowed to seek revenge and actually I have a portion from one
of the newspapers here that say police raided the house of a 23 year old former employee and arrested the man at
gunpoint on Saturday afternoon remember they discovered the bodies at 2 30 a.m Saturday morning this man was arrested
Saturday afternoon this after police learned that the man had been fired from the restaurant earlier and had vowed
Vengeance so police have a motive they hold this guy they keep him for questioning
they actually went to his house they searched this man's house and they were moved we have the media this was a media
Frenzy when the case broke media they're watching this man's house as it's being
searched they see police leaving this band's house with two bags two big bags that they brought out of this guy's
house one of the officers has asked hey you know did you got the guy do you got the guy that did this is that what is
this what are you removing from his home what did you guys find and he simply says
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over and shop today all right we are back thank you for joining us here in the garage cheers to
you all and cheers to you the crispiest of the kernelist cheers everybody out there he's back I never left but uh
cheers to you Captain thanks for returning uh this guy though he would not be their only suspect in this case
because what we have here Captain is they are able to hold this man for two days for approximately 48 hours
and then they released him they sent him along his way even though the officer says this is evidence and uh that's all
I'll say about that the thing is they may have had a motive or could put a motive on this guy for
why he would be the perpetrator of the crime they actually had zero evidence connecting him to the murders they found
nothing actually in his house that connected him to the murders and yes he did vocally tell at least one other person
that he was going to get Vengeance or some kind of Revenge it's not clear it's what he stated you know if he said he
was going to kill the owner or kill the person that fired him or you know egg the place we don't know what type of
Revenge he was seeking because that portion is not reported and probably rightfully so because as it turns out
this guy doesn't look so good after you've talked to him for two days yeah I used to get in trouble for this all the
time and I blame Frank Rizzo r-i-z-z-o because there was that famous jerky boy sketch and he would say my
wife is sick my kids are sick you you want to talk about coupon I'll bomb this place I used to make that
threat a lot when I was younger in my my Dumber days now 10 days after the murders we get additional potential
suspects we get three people that police brought into the station for questioning this is because
well and face it they didn't have to look very hard for these these persons so these individuals were suspects in
another case that took place within a week or so of the Brown's Chicken Massacre
these suspects had committed some armed robberies and they were all robberies that were
committed in suburbs surrounding Chicago and the reason why the police were really interested in these three guys is
that in all cases the employees were rounded up and forced into the coolers of those restaurants
and businesses that makes sense so it seems like something they've done before but then this one maybe got out of hand
and that's why we have murdered victims now I'm uncertain captain of how long it
took for investigators to determine if if and when and how these guys are just robbers and not actual murderers but at
some point these guys go from looking really good for this to not looking good for it at all what I do want to point
out here too and this is something you can learn from the actions of an actual investigation is what have the police
figured out and what have they not figured out about the crime scene and about the perpetrators well here when
you see one individual being arrested in question for two days and then later a week later or so you find three persons
being arrested it looks to me like police are uncertain or they have evidence that's telling them don't lock
into an idea of how many people committed this crime don't lock in on if it's one guy two guys or three or four
people that you are looking for in the Brown's Chicken case but also if these guys end up not being such aspects
that's fine but think about the information that you're probably going to learn during the questioning of that
well how would this go down and and these guys essentially are somewhat of experts when it comes to armed robbery
by the one year anniversary of this massacre sadly the case was still unsolved and police were
they had assembled a task force very early in this investigation which consisted of 84 detectives and support
staff from 10 law enforcement agencies including the state police the Chicago Police Department and the FBI this task
force Captain would include more than 100 individuals from 21 law enforcement agencies the task force ultimately
within that first year received more than 3 000 tips we said this was going to be a large complicated investigation
and you can see by the 3000 tips and then them following up on more than one thousand leads how complicated this case
was police spent more than 400 hours processing the actual crime scene and collected more than 240 pieces of
evidence at the scene and lifted 200 latent fingerprints sadly after 365 days while we had some suspects that may have
looked good briefly we don't end up with any arrest there's no court date set for
anybody for a murder trial here after that time period which is tough on the victims families it's tough on law
enforcement it's also tough on the community because this is a tragic situation and we just don't have any
answers after 365 days the task force dwindled and numbers of course they they send these officers and investigators
onto cases other cases that they acquire throughout that time period so did the tips the tips dwindled as
well now after one year there was a 107 thousand dollar reward for information leading to an arrest and a conviction
here in the Browns case police used the one-year anniversary to remind the public they believed that the case was
simply just one phone call away from being solved someone out there knows who the Killer is and hasn't come forward
they go on to say that we're looking for someone who could be an accessory to the
trigger man or someone that the killer or Killers have talked to about what they have done and they were
reminding the public hey we want that person to contact us well like the colonel was saying we we have this task
force and they're together for a whole year and yes we don't have an arrest yet and
the Brown's Chicken Massacre but this task force was successful because as they're questioning individuals and
and gathering information in this case they were able to actually make a rest of 10 to 12 individuals in other cases
some other statements that were released to by the police on the one-year anniversary that I like here Captain
they went on to say some of the officers said this offender has caused a lot of human suffering
the task force has compiled thousands of pages of reports and information that has been shared with police agencies
throughout the country The Killers eventually will slip up this case is going to be solved we have some
unfortunate little details in this case yeah there's always these sad little details that you find Captain in these
cases where you're like this victim could have been avoided it may not this person didn't have to be there that
night or this person was scheduled to be there at the last minute so yeah like an
unfortunate change of events exactly so we have the restaurant owners themselves
they had actually just bought this store months earlier and it was actually the first restaurant
that the married couple had ever owned it was a career change for the couple right then we have the cook
Maldonado he had just started working there three weeks prior to the massacre the two teenagers were just part-time
employees and you know one thing that's sad here in that case you go back to 1993 we had two million Americans 18 and
younger that made up two-thirds of America's fast food Workforce at the time where most of them were making the
federal minimum wage of just 4.25 cents an hour and then we have one of the individuals
that was working that night Rick Salas who was actually filling in for another employee that night after having traded
shifts with a fellow employee so that one of them or both of them could attend events that they wanted to go to on for
Rick a different night and for this employee that particular night well and that's what we talk about with the
when you have a victim there's multiple victims family members co-workers the community but now in this
situation you have these guys that they traded shifts with each other and and that guy has to live with that for the
rest of his life where he you know that'd be that'd be difficult for me if if one of my buddies took on my shift
and something bad happened to him uh that would be very difficult there's always a lot of survivors guilt
in these type of cases and circumstances you touched on something earlier captain
that will end up being the Crux of this case and the investigation and remember police pointed out in interviews shortly
after the homicides took place that you know we have blood evidence here in this
case and we've really been working significantly with a lot of blood evidence and spatter and positional
things and directional things involving blood spatter that tell us certain aspects about a crime and how things
went down at a scene and we believe that soon one day that's going to lead to more DNA technology that can be used in
these types of Investigations that was all very foretelling in a way because what we have here is
after years of the case not being solved there's a lot of pressure being put on the police department a lot of criticism
being thrown their way by the media and by the public because they wanted this thing solved and they started to think
that it would never be solved well meanwhile behind the scenes police were still working with the idea of hey
that big piece of holdback information that we had about the receipt about the meal being sold after the store closed
and the chicken and the items that were found in that trash receptacle while we couldn't pull any fingerprints from it
in 1993 we better save all this stuff because we think one day we might be able to use these items and pull
evidence particularly DNA from them at some point hopefully we can connect it to an actual suspect and then we know
who was there that night all the while I believe it was about five years they kept testing these items that they found
in that trash receptacle eventually after about five years they were able to pull DNA from one of those pieces of
chicken they're not working with genealogy detective work back then so we can't just take this and then work it
for six months to 18 months and hopefully figure out family tree that may lead us to the
perpetrator but if we get the right guy or girl or whomever we at least have DNA
now that we can start comparing it to suspects what happens is they actually end up with several confessions in this
case I don't know the total number of confessions that they ended up with but even after the five-year Mark once they
have this DNA we have confessions from a boyfriend and girlfriend that say that they were involved we have confessions
from two friends uh not related to the boyfriend and girlfriend that admitted to being involved and had
done the killings however Captain what we end up with is in March of 2002 police are going back through and they
are going to kind of toss everything out except for the DNA evidence and look at this case with new fresh
eyes Start Anew and one thing they had always been really working in this case and it's obvious by the actions of the
investigation remember we had said that 23 year old former employee was brought in within hours of the murders and
questioned and held for two days his home searched they were always locked in on this idea that
the probability of it being a current employee or former employee they thought was rather High
so when they start investigating this case Anew in 2002 one of the first things they were doing was they were contacting
all of the former employees and Associates of known associates of the former employees
well in March of 2002 they get an individual named Ann Lockett on the phone and Ann Lockett is somebody that they
had interviewed a couple of times but in March of 2002 she has a very different story to tell them than what she's told
them in the past and this time she's telling them I know exactly who did it because the two individuals told me that
they did it so now we have to introduce James de Gorski and Juan Luna the way that this story works here
Captain is that dagorski and Luna told Lockett that they had committed the crimes
here's a little bit of a problem for investigators this is not the first person to tell them that they had
committed the crimes not not Luna and degorski right but remember they have the other confessions and they've had
other people along the way that have told them hey I think I know who did it but we
have all that hold back information so now we can ask her well what are the details that they gave you and do those
match anything that maybe somebody in the public wouldn't know yes and the reason why I cited those two specific
confessions the boyfriend and the girlfriend pair and then you also have the two friends
I cited those because police had a hard time moving on from both of those because they both nailed a lot of the
hold back information in fact in one of those cases the detectives were screaming and shouting hey we gotta
arrest these guys and take them to court and the prosecutor kept reminding him okay now
keep in mind guys we have the DNA they can say all day and night that they did this and that the um they know
intimate details of the murders or the crimes but their DNA does not match that that is found on the chicken
so the prosecutor did not allow for the arrest in either occasion well one of the problems too with the case not being
solved right away is that hold back information starts leaking out in a small town I mean you you said it was
a village basically less than 50 000 people there's information that's probably getting leaked out and we've
seen that in other investigations as well it just happens unfortunately it's unfortunate but it just happens now in
this case one piece that nobody had gotten right about the hold back information
was that and this is very sad and disturbing to say all at the same time so I apologize
for having to say this but one piece of holdback information was that one of the
victims vomited as he was being shot or or just before he was shot right and these other confessions that
they had that detail was missing from those confessions when they speak with Anne Lockett
and then they start talking to Luna and dagorski that detail is present in those stories thus separating them
immediately from anybody else that they've ever spoken to and then they say to Juan Luna they're
they're interviewing him at his home I believe it might have been right in front of his home take this swab and
just rub it on the inside of your mouth here when we put it in this tube no big deal we're asking everybody to do this
we're asking anybody that we talked to to do it and he willingly agrees and he swabs the inside of his cheek and it
takes some time of course but after they check that swab and then compare it to the DNA found on
the chicken it's a match so now we have a DNA match putting one Luna at the scene later he gives a
confession that puts James de Gorski there with him they are both the gunmen in this confession we have Ann Lockett
who says that Juan Luna did it and James degorski did it and they told me the detail about the victim vomiting
and so all these things are matching up eventually James de Gorski gives a confession as well
the short of it here captain is that we end up with two individuals as being present there two individuals
involved and responsible for the murder of seven individuals and they end up being tried and tried separately now
while this case took place the murders took place in 1993. the arrests do not occur until
May of 2002 this is after they get the DNA sample back right almost 10 years and then we don't
have trials that start until one trial start in 2007 and the other started in 2009.
and these took so long to get to court because both of these trials were rather complicated you had yes the DNA with
Juan Luna but just because he ate a piece of chicken and left it at this restaurant does not
necessarily mean that he's the killer it just means he was the last customer of that day he was there and he was
somebody that was never willing for all these years to admit that he was there so that makes him much more suspicious
than anybody else of course you end up getting a confession out of him well and he also confessed to
and so correct and then after you arrest his partner in crime James de Gorski you get
a confession out of him as well the problem with the Gorski is you actually end up with zero physical evidence
putting him at the crime scene you're arresting him based off of what Juan Luna is saying and what Anne Lockett is
saying yes degorski eventually confesses and I keep circling around on this because what ended up being a problem at
both trials was that it was quickly pointed out that yeah these two guys confessed but so did other people right
and other people confessed because of the pressure that was put on them by the police by the detectives they may have
been a little overly aggressive in their pursuit of suspects that were not correct but like you said the difference
between those confessions and these confessions are little details and that's good thing so when everybody's
screaming at the top of their lungs that law enforcement needs to release more information well this is one of the
reasons why it's so important that they keep certain details back because if they would have said that one of the
victims threw up then that's that one little detail that than anybody would have known both Luna and agorski while
tried separately they were both found guilty on all seven counts of murder in both cases we have the state of Illinois
unsuccessfully sought the death penalty against igorski and Luna and they were both
sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole now keep in mind those trials were 2007 2009
the state of Illinois abolished the death penalty in 2011. at the time there were 15 inmates of the state still on
death row the then Governor Pat Quinn commuted those sentences to life sentences but if you look up this case
now you're going to see that James degorski he's been fighting for a new trial and trying to bring new evidence
and he's he's actually one and and and got to higher courts to actually hear this information but
the last thing I read on it was that he got to the higher courts but then the courts listened to the argument but then
dismissed they dismissed his notion to get a new trial yeah again the complications were the confessions
themselves because they did both give different versions a few different versions of what went
down there that night it could just be that they're trying to put more blame on the other perpetrator and put less blame
on themselves dagorski ended up being compensated by the state to the tune of 451 thousand
dollars this was in 2014 when a jury awarded him that money for punitive damages this was because he was beaten
severely by a sheriff's deputy in Cook County Jail in May of 2002 this was days after his arrest for these seven murders
yeah which would make you question the validity of a confession under oath because he's basically being
physically tortured by the police and both Luna and dagorski have recanted all of their confessions and they are
also saying that they were fed information from the police during the interrogation or questioning process
their lawyers have pointed out that Anne Lockett was awarded money a hundred and
seven thousand dollars roughly actually her and another woman split the money because they provided information about
the Gorski and Luna to the police to me Captain I I see their arguments and I understand them and I think that there
is some level of Merit there that they have in an argument and of course look that's why I am
that's why in some cases I am fond of our system because they do have appeals where they can express those concerns
and can make those arguments however from where I sit both of these guys look incredibly guilty I do want to make sure
that we give a big shout out to the Chicago Tribune who did an absolute gangbusters job
absolutely gangbusters work on covering this case over the many many years that it took to see this thing through
[Music] I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage for another week
onward and upward inching our way towards episode 1000. it'll be here before you know it colonel
but do we have any recommended reading this week we are recommending a lovely girl the tragedy of Olga Duncan and the
trial of one of California's most notorious Killers by Deborah Larkin this is the incredible story of a murder that
ended with the last woman to ever be executed in California a lovely girl by Deborah Larkin follows a murder so
Twisted it seems ripped from a Greek tragedy the Mystery Begins on a quiet November night in Santa Barbara when a
pregnant nurse named Olga Duncan disappeared from her apartment check out a lovely girl the tragedy of Olga Duncan
and the trial of one of California's most notorious Killers by Deborah Larkin you can find that great title and many
more wonderful recommendations on our recommended page at truecrimegarage.com yeah you wanted the best and you got the
best the colonel is the goat I've said it before and I'll say it again and until next week be good be kind and
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This week in the Garage we discuss a very complicated case from Palatine, Illinois. Back in January of 1993 someone murdered the workers and robbed the Brown’s Chicken & Pasta restaurant on the corner of the Northwest Highway and North Smith street. The bodies were later located in the back kitchen area by police more than five hours after the restaurant closed that Friday night. Sadly seven people lost their lives that night. The greater Chicago area just experienced yet another massacre. Join us in the Garage as we dive into the investigation that ensued as detectives went on the hunt for a cold blooded killer.

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Brief Summary

The episode details the Browns Chicken Massacre, its investigation, and the eventual arrests of suspects de Gorski and Luna through DNA evidence.

Key points

The Browns Chicken Massacre. A tragic event in Illinois history, marking a series of violent crimes.
The Importance of Witnesses. The lack of witnesses complicates the investigation, but can also aid in holding back information.
A Sale After Closing. A sale recorded after the restaurant closed raises questions about the events that unfolded.
The Brown's Chicken Massacre. A tragic case where seven individuals were murdered, leaving the community in shock.
DNA Evidence Breakthrough. After years of investigation, DNA from a chicken piece leads to confessions.
Confessions and Trials. Two suspects confess to the murders, leading to lengthy trials and convictions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

We have no witnesses now, I say that's great!

Discussion on investigation challenges

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Tension

75/ 100High tension

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