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[Music] crime [Music] where we left off yesterday Captain they had just found missing Ray Rivera's body
ins inside the badier hotel which is now primarily being used for Condominiums and he has crashed through
the roof we still do not know for what reason and his lifeless body is found inside the building Al Reay had multiple
injuries including lacerations fractured ribs punctured lungs of course suggesting that he had fallen from a
height into this room some of Ray's injuries are stated to be consistent with a fall While others are stated not
to be and in particular they site his tibas being fractured the medical examiner will go on record saying that
this does not seem to be consistent with a fall that would be your shins correct
also found we have raay flip-flops that were found on the Roof near the hole that he crashed through one broken and
one withh fresh drag marks raised glasses are found and they appear to be in good shape his cell phone is found
the phone has scratches on it but it is not broken it's in working order raise money clip which was an engraved wedding
gift from Allison that she and his brother say he always carried with him they do not find
this on rais person or on the rooftop other than that it seems pretty consistent that what Allison and others
believe he would have left with him that day taken with him when he left the house that day everything was found on
him with him or on the rooftop and I'm assuming they never found the money clip back out his house or anything right
this was not found on him it's never been located at all I think it'd be something that would be completely
washed away from the story had it been recovered MH okay so the problem with a lot of this
is the hole itself and where Rey is found according to Unsolved Mysteries there were three possible places from
which Ry could have jumped or maybe been pushed mhm from to end up going creating
that hole and then crashing down into that unoccupied room and for people who haven't hav seen the episode I'm going
to post all these pictures there's a bunch of pictures of the actual hotel or condo complex whatever you want to call
it and bunch of different angles and a a rooftop View and even some measurements
that people have taken I'll post all of those to our Instagram that's true crime
garage follow us on Instagram this is where it gets difficult that we are simply audio and there's no video to go
along with it because I think you know we're going to do our best to tell the story and paint the picture for you well
people keep requesting audio because you're so handsome but I keep breaking the cameras video yeah so as police
began to analyze this case numerous aspects seemed odd about Ray Rivera jumping off of the main roof of the
badier Hotel this is partly due to where the location of the hole is in the lower
roof there was a considerable horizontal distance between the hotel Tower and the
location of the hole in the lower roof so I think the way to go about this here Captain because we have these three
different spots that Unsolved Mysteries says he could have come from to end up going through that hole in the roof and
that's a weird way of saying it to go through that hole in the roof it makes it sound like the hole was already there
right his unfortunately his body created that hole but I think you have to say it that way
because it's really the placement of the hole as far as a distance goes from the
surrounding above areas to get to that spot that makes it seem mathematically difficult right and that again is a big
part of the mystery of why did he end up there and how did he end up where we found him so the first one that I think
we should discuss would be the parking garage because this one seems to be the most easily explained away as no it
seems like this is the least likely of these three spots that he could have come from yeah possibly right so the way
that this works is that the parking garage the top of it is the measurements are about 20 ft higher than the lower
roof that he crashed through and the spot the hole in the roof is about 20 ft out the detective that initially looked
at this case he's on record saying I don't think that that is a high enough distance to create an impact that one
would even kill a man or two would cause him to crash through the ceiling so I'm
going to go with that detective's assessment of of that uh angle there from the top of the parking garage well
let's go with the suicide angle as well it' be a pretty far distance for somebody to run and try to jump yes it
would be but I think that there would would be okay so I think that there's a problem with the distance of the upper
rooftop of the badier more so than the distance traveled to make it to that spot on the lower roof from the parking
garage it's only 20 ft out what he's saying is that if if Ray would have jumped from the parking garage he likely
would have survived the jump right and and let's say the other problem is he did create a
hole the ceiling and go through the detective is saying he would have survived it and or not have had a great
enough impact to crash through the ceiling what I've heard and since we're starting with the parking garage uh one
idea that I find very interesting or a theory that I find very interesting is well could you get there and could you
create an impact if the you know the velocity was stronger than somebody throwing you or jumping
as maybe he was hit by a vehicle or thrown from a vehicle that's an interesting question because what you
have to account too if you go well he jumped okay well do you know how hard it is to jump when your both of your shins
are broken if in fact the fall didn't create the break well the doctors are saying
they didn't they say inconsistent right so which is not the same as impossible right but again nothing's impossible he
could have you know aliens could have thrown him from the sky for all we know but I'm going to go with the doctors and
say this injury happened beforehand okay what would hit you around The Shins well
certain cars bumpers possibly could hit you um so is it a situation where he's going to meet somebody up and when he
met them up did they have baseball bats or did they hit him with a car and then was he on
top of the car and then they drove him really fast to the edge and hit the brakes is that a
possibility it I mean you just said aliens could have put him there so I I don't know I don't know how to go about
this there is a wall I mean it's not like a straight ledge that you would go off of or that if a vehicle hit you that
you would just be essentially shot out of a cannon and fired to that spot on the roof so I
think it's I think it gets a little difficult of okay you just said that it would be very difficult for him to get
there jumping wise 20 ft out it also seems possibly even more difficult to get to throw him out that far yeah like
two two people throwing a 6'5 260lb man that does not want to go over a ledge yeah you manage to catapult him out 20
feet now I I get what you're saying about the distance traveled seems to be difficult and everybody agrees with that
the reason why I'm kind of glossing over that moving to the next part is because
the if he were to go from the rooftop the distance traveled horizontally would be even more now granted he would have a
a further distance of falling to to get out that far they do say that it's scientifically
possible it's not impossible that he couldn't have got himself all the way out there so the
way that that works is we just talk 20 ft out if he were to jump or get shot or however from the top of the parking
garage over to the rooftop where he crashed through the horizontal distance from the roof top all the way up mhm one
of the other options is estimated at 40 to 43 ft so almost double the distance correct so they brought in some
Engineers to see if this is even possible and they estimate that somebody traveling at a speed of 10 or 11 miles
per hour could in fact make it all the way out that far now you have to factor in a few different things right one
could he even get up to a speed on foot of 10 to 11 mil hour most people put that as a fast jog or Sprint for the
average fit male this would be you know again wearing sport shoes this guy's wearing
flip-flops one of them ends up broken but yeah it's it's estimated that somebody could get up to that speed well
they could have been in his hand yes and so he could have just ran Barefoot but again then anytime you
factor in that this is suicide I guess you have to then again assume that the fall shattered his shins I don't know
and I I think they were talking a lot about that there's not a lot lot of access to that roof so that be hard for
him to even get access so what we have here is with the other two locations again the parking garage aside because
it doesn't seem that that would have killed Ray right but the other location would be from the 11 from the 11th floor
ledge of the badier hotel now this spot seems to make a little more sense because it puts him much closer to the
hole in the rooftop below yeah and it's enough distance that he could have ran so whatever speed he would have to get
up to to make that distance he could have done yeah and again I he wouldn't have had to make it out that far of a
distance that's why this spot seems to make a little more sense as far as the math goes the problem with the 11th
floor ledge and we say ledge but I mean you see this on Unsolved Mysteries and yeah they're they're kind of quick to
say hey it'd be difficult to to to walk along that ledge it actually looked like
a pretty a pretty decent sized ledge to me mhm as you pointed out the problem with
the 11 floor ledge and getting to the top of the badier itself is that we don't have
anybody who has ever reported to have seen Ray Rivera in the building that night yeah and where's the cameras you'd
think you know this is a hotel that turns into condos they would have some security you know a lot about this I
mean you worked in a high-rise condo facility for a while yeah I worked in a building that would be the general
description would be the same as what we're talking about here the Bader Hotel highrise Condominiums Downtown you guys
had a lot of cameras we had a ton of cameras I guess the major difference here would be that the building I worked
in was built in the late 90s and as we discussed this building was built in the early 1900s right now of course you come
in and you put in those cameras much later they didn't have security cameras when the building was built obviously we
don't have anybody that says that they saw Ray Rivera in the building prior to finding him dead in the portion of the
building below mhm one major problem with that Captain is the 11th floor ledge that he would have had to get to
this is privately owned condos this is not just like some some space inside the building where people can get to well
I'd like to know if any of them are connected to his old work that is the major question I think that is the big
question that is missing from the Unsolved Mysteries presentation as well as anything else that I could find
because the time s that I worked in in these types of of living situations it was very common for
individuals to live in the residential Tower and work at buildings within walking distance of the residential
Tower these are typically fairly well-to-do people that are working downtown and they're living and paying
that higher cost of living to live there so that they don't have to commute in and out of the city MH that they can you
know what oh it's a day I think I'll just cross the street and go up to the 10th floor to my office the 11th floor
has condos that are owned by individuals he would have had to have had access by one of those individuals
somehow to get out to the ledge and then the weirder part is nobody's coming forward saying yeah he he committed
suicide right outside my window yeah but it could have been like a force jump situation either they're attacking him
within a room and he he went to escape and this is what happened or it was look buddy you're going to go off that ledge
and jump for it and if you don't we're going to kill your wife mhm you know it could have been that kind of situation
doesn't he could have jumped and it still could have been murder I mean I think he could have made that distance I
still question injuries to his shin but then I also question is were they was he
being beat up by anybody was he possibly hit with something was there possible fractures and not not breaks until the
actual jump if that makes any sense right if he's trying to escape or there injuries that they can't account for
because of the because of the fall or going through the roof are those because he was being attacked by somebody so you
brought up the security cameras and one thing that really upset me when I first started looking into this case is is
just what upset me when we talked about Jennifer kassie's case or you know be it
a a hotel in downtown Chicago we've covered cases that that have that going on and anytime that we have these right
Brandon Swanson no he was out in the middle of Jesse Ross Kena Jenkins and I mean there's a there's a a good long
list of cases that we've discussed that have security cameras involved and one thing that UPS set me in some of those
cases is that they have no camera footage yet they have the cameras as fixtures on and inside the buildings
this is a situation where we don't have any camera footage as well now on the surface most of the reports out there
State the same thing that they were the the camera was disconnected or there was a glitch in
the system that sounds very suspicious almost like oh we we knew we were going to kill him we knew we were going to
throw him off the side of this building let's make it so the cameras are not working after some more digging what I
found was that it was a simple case of remember he wasn't found very quickly he was missing for a a week the way this
was all digitized so the program was set up to record over its old footage at some
point and because they had they found him within a day 24 hours 48 hours whenever they likely would have had some
kind of footage of what was going on and we would have a whole very likely a whole different story to tell here in
the garage today but the way that I understand this Captain is that it was because he wasn't
found for a certain amount of time that be a week or a little over a week that the the footage was set up it was
predetermined to to record over itself and therefore whatever it captured is just completely lost right
so that's just it's it's unfortunate and I will say this you know because I saw the question come up that says well this
is just a shame you know I could understand it had he been missing for two weeks three
weeks or four weeks or a month that they would have recorded over top of it it's
very common in in most of the situations I've worked in that the footage is recorded over within a week of itself
yeah cuz normally if there's a crime police are pretty quick to go around and collect any footage now at the places
that I've worked Captain where there's an abundance of security and security officers what we would do is actually
have someone view the footage before we would before we would record over it now
mind you the person is viewing it at four times eight times 16 times the speed you're really just looking for
anything blatantly obvious of something wrong going on yeah Bigfoot exactly I mean you can't it'd be difficult to pay
somebody to sit there and watch days and days and days of footage every time you
record over so I went from being pretty upset because the the thing that I pointed out in Jennifer kesse's case
along with a lot of these other cases if you're paying to live there that's one of the things that's built into your
homeowners fees to your condo fees is that they are selling you peace of mind they are selling you that you live in a
secure building okay so just to go over this real quick so the parking garage like I said I heard the theory about him
getting hit by a car and maybe the car launched him but like you said there's a wall there's all these factors is it
possible I don't know if you tried it a hundred times maybe one out of 100 it could happen but doesn't seem likely and
would that be enough Force to send him through this roof the problem also with the roof is we just don't know for
certain because he's also a like you said he's a tall guy he's a heavier guy at what height is that possible so even
though I like that theory I don't think it's likely so the parking garage for me
just doesn't seem like the most plausible right but then even less likely to get to the top of this
facility and to jump off or to be pushed off it doesn't seem like it's that probable it seems like he would have to
be doing a lot of traveling through the air and because it's so much higher up it seems like maybe there would be
more damage to the body and then it doesn't make a lot of sense with the cell phone and the
flipflop flops being found on top of the roof at that height now if you go down lower like you were saying this other
ledge but he'd have to have access through one of the private rooms or private condos but it does seem possible that
that that's more likely to me that that ledge would be where he came from and now with the flip-flops and the phone
now hear me out it could be wrong I've always thought well that seems like maybe that afterwards May did somebody
go to the garage get onto the roof of the building walk across and look down to see to make
sure he's dead right M and then did they leave those items behind or is it possible
those items were in his hands and once he hit the roof he then loses control of them and now
they're only falling you know a couple feet if that makes sense as he's going through the
roof yeah so the way that I've always kind of thought about this and I thought look the the flip-flops the ey glasses
the the cell phone to me is not such a big mystery because as our cell phones have gotten smarter and more
sophisticated they seem to have gotten more fragile over the years his cell phone is kind of a plasticky cell phone
that I think could take what do they say take a licking and keep on ticking that's what she said I could see the
cell phone surviving that fall the eyeglasses seem a bit strange to me but the oh yeah cuz there's a the eyeglasses
are also on the roof as well so the people that discredit anybody saying that he could
have come off of the parking garage off of either of those places of the badier rooftop they say well maybe he was
pushed out of a helicopter which I'm not going to lie to you that mathematically
makes some sense because he's then just dropping straight down right but what eyewitness do we have of a helicopter
being in the area well not only that then you have a problem here like is he if he's dropped out of a helicopter
pushed out of a helicopter he's forced out under that manner is he is he just holding these items because people say
well maybe these items were staged to be there in that location and I look the problem is if you force him off of the
ledge at any of these three locations or force them out of a helicopter then you
have to figure out a way to magically place these items so that they fall right near the hole of the roof that
seems difficult not impossible but it seems unlikely okay go back so what you're
saying is if he jumps or you force him out that if he was holding these items if he doesn't have them on his person
right because there are people that say well maybe these items were staged that oh you know I got to I got to get rid of
his belongings now and I want to put them near where they're going to find his body right it wouldn't be that hard
for them to go the GR and walk on the roof and just place them down but that's what I want to know I want to know when
they say these items were found near the hole in the roof what is that distance right because if they're saying that
they're found within 6 in of that 40in diameter hole that's pretty damn close yeah and also if they're found just on
some you know anywhere on the rooftop then than whatever anybody could have just tossed them from anywhere and they
landed there well I also want to know like we have the flip flops the glasses cell phone that we find on the roof do
we find other items that are around his person in the room no it it seems like the the only
things that were that were reported to be questionable were these items that were found on the roof itself before he
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all right we have a note to talk about here captain and this is a weird one and certainly one of the more weird aspects
of this entire case in my opinion and that is that a note was found taped to the back of Ray Rivera's
computer and the way that this is described was that angel his brother and Allison his wife found this note taped
to the back of his computer after Ry disappeared yeah but it's it almost like he took a bunch of pages and shrunk them
down into one yeah the description I would provide for this note for those who have not seen it
it appears that it's printed off on his computer and it looks like it's three different columns and that he put it in
the smallest font he possibly could to fit all three columns which in themsel selves would be three different pages on
one single page and then he seems to have gone around and cut the edges the blank edges off of the paper to make the
paper itself even smaller and then folds it up and puts it into a plastic bag or
some form of plastic and tapes it to the back of his computer now you know there's a lot of things that you can
question in this case and this note is very bizarre I I really do not know how to
take this note or how to feel about it I will say that the the things that were written on the Note itself it does
appear to me for as an outsider looking in that this was authored by Ry MH and Allison would go on to tell us that she
believes that it was it was written and printed the day that he went missing because she found the Cutaway edges of
the piece of paper in the trash can but again this note folded up and taped to the back of the computer and we should
also mention that along with the note there was they found a blank check from his video production company now the
general description of this note is that it is a confusing note that included the
names of prominent figures in Hollywood Freemasonry quotations and additional ramblings the
FBI analyzed this note and according to the retired detective interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries the he says the FBI
ruled that the note was not suicidal in nature I have seen it noted that the FBI
may have deemed the note to be the delusional ramblings of someone in the throws of a psychotic break I think
there's a lot of people that keep notes to themselves like you know I have notes
that I put in my phone that if you saw them you'd be like what what the heck is this one of them is just like a list of
song titles so if you went through the list and you start going um you know lonely
forever the next song zombie pills you would start reading the list going what the heck is this this it sounds like he
lost his mind mhm yeah I think the location of where they find the note adds to the mystery of it because now
this man's mysteriously disappeared his wife says that she cannot or explain nor understand his death and then we
have this note that's taped to the back of his computer screen I get what you're
saying and that's what my mind immediately went to in my own personal life of of notes that I take be it on my
computer in my phone on scraps of paper in notebooks but that's in notebooks and on
scraps of paper you know what I mean it's like if you bury it in the backyard yard and it's later found or you put it
up in your attic or tape it to your ceiling or behind your computer screen it takes on a different meaning yeah in
some way it's like why why did he go to the effort to print it in this manner trim away the edges cover it up in
plastic include a blank check with it and then tape it to the back of the computer it's it's one of those weird
things where it's like did did he do that because he wanted it to be found but not so easily found h and if it is
just the ramblings of a creative mind who's saving ideas or creating ideas and and and logging them for later use it
also again it seems like a strange place to yeah but there's also a section where
it's a list of a bunch of people he knew as well well I think we should probably
go through what is believed to be on this letter yeah and we'll say that because if you're looking I'll post a
couple of the pictures that I found online but it's but all you're seeing is like the the the note from a distance
and like Nichol saying that the the Fawn is so small that you can't even make out
anything so it's kind of interesting because this case of talked about was on Unsolved Mysteries was requested so
highly from the listeners for us to go over it as well and there's really normally a famous note like this it
would be all over there internet and and be documented and and diagrammed out don't you kind of question the no even
more because they've chosen not to do that yeah that's a good point it seems a bit weird that that Allison look and she
is very level-headed because I've seen interviews with her where she says all I'm asking is that this be looked at and
that people investigate his death because I think we've we've gone through so much minutia in this case that we
probably for forgot to mention that the police deemed this to be a suicide they they say we don't have all the answers
but they say what we have found we don't have any reason to believe that anything
other than suicide took place here well and back to his wife Allison uh very smart you can tell she's very
intelligent so but why wouldn't she want to put out the note right and her exact
words from an interview that I saw with her she says all I'm asking is that people take another look at this that
police and investigators take another look at this for the for my sake and for the family's sake and for uh Rey's sake
and she saying look if you decide upon further investigation that it was in fact suicide I'm fine with
that I just want to feel good and have some peace of mind about the answers I'm getting and she
does not have that right now well and I so then that makes me sorry to cut off but it makes me question it further then
why is this note not more readily available right because you can't I can't find it anywhere and you're good
at computers and you normally find these what I can find is pictures of this note
and what I can find are people who have tried to transcribe the note best they can from blurry images of the note or by
watching Unsolved Mysteries and hitting Pauls on the screen and trying to make out what they see there so when we go
through what this note says keep in mind we we can't say 100% that this is in fact the exact words
word for word of what the note says well I was just going to say a lot of people
are very quick to rule out a possible suicide we have an individual that moved him and his wife across the country for
opportunity that obviously didn't work out or maybe he felt like he didn't let the situation work out because it wasn't
a good fit for him and then he was doing some other stuff but when you have to start a company by borrowing a bunch of
money one of the number one reasons for suicide especially in males is financial
so it's just not out of the realm of possibilities when people say oh well my brother would never do that or my friend
would never do that or my husband would never do that that happens a lot of times in in
suicides you know sadly enough but it's not out of the realm of possibility Captain I'm going to go through this
letter a little bit and I'm not going to necessarily go through every single word
because people can look this up and I think that if we really tried to analyze this down to every sentence and every
word we would be doing another four or five episodes on Ray's case hey I'm I'm down so again this is what people have
interpreted this letter to say brothers and sisters right now around the world volcanoes are erupting what an awesome
site then next we have a masonic quote again more of the Freemason stuff and then that's followed by that was a
wellplayed game congratulations to all who participated I hope you enjoyed it but it is time to wake up so here I am
I'd like to welcome those who accepted our invitations for membership during the game we couldn't have done it
without you I took on this endeavor to find the truth but not for its own sake in accepting this quest for truth I
hoped to make myself with the help of others into a man worthy and ready to receive it members of the council please
note that I will lend careful consideration to the tradition respons traditional responsibilities in light of
these proceedings and I will satisfy the standard request of this Council within
the appropriate time again well done to all who participated I expect the council has invited all the players who
have gave their lives to this Pursuit suit back so they might join us here again we we have no idea what he could
be talking about join us here join us where well and it could because he writes scripts it could be just uh
jotting down an idea for a monologue in a movie yeah and it goes on to say something like before I continue with my
instructions for the council and claim the prize for my service I'd like to allow Porter stanbury to claim his prize
the next couple sentences it's not clear a lot of the words are kind of missing I'm going to jump over that a little bit
but at some point it's thought that he's saying something to the effect of now that the game is finished I expect the
council to blank most people think he's saying reward those who have given what might be time and talent to
this Venture along with myself these players should be made 5 years younger by the council and then it's a long list
of names and you can actually you can find this in two versions you can find a small blurry version or you can find a
bigger version where the last names are redacted but it's a long list of names anything any thoughts so far on
what we've gone through no keep going okay I'm GNA I'm going to offer up some of mine right here because I don't know
what this council is that he's talking about but he keeps referencing the game right it seems a little weird to me
that he is there seems to be some kind of Prize or reward that should be given to himself and to these other people and
one thing that I find very interesting is that the reward that he is saying that these people should get is to be
made 5 years younger by the council meaning the the list of names that follow that because it is a reward these
must be people that he deems to be good people or deserving of a reward and going through this list one name that I
did find on there is Frank stanbury which we said at the beginning of yesterday's episode that his friend his
longtime friend's name is Frank Porter Sansbury so again kind of going back to the idea that a lot of people are
suspicious of this Porter guy but if if he is in fact referencing his friend Frank Porter stanbury as Frank
stanburry in this portion of the letter it's almost like Ry is saying he's a good guy he's deserving of some type of
reward for his effort for his time for his talents for his Good Deeds maybe but then where that becomes a problem is
several times in this same note or letter whatever you want to call it he he refers to this man as Porter
Sansbury so then you have to wonder is France is Frank Porter stansberry's father does he have the same name and is
Ry then rewarding somebody else you know why would you refer to somebody a couple times as Porter
Stanbery but then later as Frank Stanberry yeah well what's also weird because he he lists the the game as in
the section where he's listed movies the that's the I believe it's David Fincher mhm the
David finer movie and but what's weird is and this I think has been kind of blown up through
Reddit is the main character in the game dies in a similar fashion Michael Douglas uh he he dies
from um jumping from the roof of the building through a glass ceiling yeah it's been a long time since I've seen
that movie um 19 97 I actually recall the movie different than that that there is several scenes of somebody committing
suicide by jumping off of a rooftop I don't recall it being who is that Michael Douglas or John Douglas I get
the two Father and Son confused I think it's Michael yeah so a lot of people have referenced that is he talking about
the game and then they take it a step further of was somebody playing a game on him was
he involved in some kind of game well the idea is in 1997 the film follows a man uh who
participates in a scheme which blurs his concept of reality and ends with him jumping from the roof of a building
through a glass ceiling so in the movie he's like extremely wealthy and it's what do you give the man who has
everything for his birthday you give him an experience and the experience is given to him I believed by his brother
which then drives him to Insanity because it's just it's it's it's an insane movie really I
actually feel like if we are going to put meaning to these words and try to decipher what he what he means
here I almost feel like the game it's like he's referencing his life and life being a game right and and so that's
where I think it's weird that the FBI again we're not hearing this from the FBI we're hearing it from a retired
detective who says the FBI said they don't believe the note to be suicidal in nature I actually go the opposite way
and I'm I'm of course no expert but I go the opposite way and I see a note here that looks to me well how many shows do
you have to do until we start just calling you an expert it looks to me like they're like it is suicidal in
nature it's like I could see that you know what I mean it's like he's thanking the people that were involved in his
game and and the game being his life and I I wonder is there something a major event that we are unaware of that took
place within a few years or up to five years before Ray's death because the the choosing of these players should be made
five years younger by the council seems awfully specific it's a very strange line right did did he lose his father
did he lose somebody important to him one one quote that I love and this is an old George Clooney quote
is that the greatest gift that we can give the ones that we love is time and I find that to be such an interesting
quote because it's coming from somebody who's pretty darn wealthy and could give
anybody that he wants a bunch of money and he's right time is one hell of a gift and here we got Ry referencing not
that quote but he States something very similar with a long list of people that he obviously cares about because the
people that are included at the top of this list we have his brother his father his mother his wife his sister so these
are clearly people that he is listing that he loves that he says he believes deserves some type of reward for their
participation and their time in the game he goes on to list a whole bunch of like
inventions and innovations that came about since his be since his game began and then he goes on into some
weird business about the patent and proceeds from all of these items that he list should somehow be transferred to
him and he references several different homes in different countries and continents that he can be found in at
some point and after that it's another list of movies that he that he really likes saying I would love to meet any of
you who helped contribute to these works and he list many movies all of them you
know they're they're interesting movies not just the G game but you have seven in National Treasure The Da Vinci Code
The Matrix one two and three so on and so forth in a specific reference to M9 Shyamalan old
Shyamalan and then he goes on to say I'd also like to single out and there's in the name of somebody
again we have Porter his name referenced a couple of times in this letter and I really can't make or Tales of this
letter Captain I don't and I think that that this letter makes this story that much more confusing in the case that
much more confusing because what is this letter in itself well and like we said Le let's just H hypothetically say the
the Freemason stuff or he started doing research for ideas for screen plays people that are creative can get wrapped
up into that and we have evidence of maybe that turning into reality by not wanting his wife to you know go
somewhere thinks people are breaking into his house or or at least alarms going off in his house is it possible
there was something going on with inside his brain that his friends and family just weren't aware of and that's why I
keep going back to this idea of if he is truly afraid of something why is he not telling people
in his life even on the DL look I'm worried about this situation I'm specifically worried about this
whole thing right here especially his wife who he seems to be concerned of her safety as well and then this note is
left but what is the what is the purpose of this note is it is it meant to be a warning I I that's what I'm I'm getting
at it's not obvious that it's a suicide note that's clear well there's a l lot of actors that have done big movies and
then those movies are connected to the FBI or the CIAA and then there's a lot of conspiracy theorists that go oh well
see um they had Matt Damon do the born Jason Bourne movies and then they bring him into the fold and so he actually is
a government agent now and there's all weird conspiracies of that nature and I just
wonder all these notes are again for some big movie and he's referencing all these movies he likes and wants and
wants to be inspired by this list of movies and here's all these actors that he thinks could play in the movies that
would understand the inner workings of a movie that was based around the Freemasons or whatever like you could
compile this whole thing that seems like a crazy thing and just go this is a web
when you're trying to create something as big as a movie you're you're thinking about characters you're thinking about
their backstory you're thinking about monologues that could be said in the movie you're thinking about sets and
tones and and it could just be a list of uh movies that he likes the tone in them
you know if you watch a you know Goodwill Hunting For example and you realize Gus fan zamp uses it's all like
autumn colors the whole movie is is the list of movies is just stuff he likes about the way it was shot or the
directors if you put it in that context it's like well it all makes sense it could just be research for a movie right
and I think that's why what I'm trying to get at here is that the people that point out that this letter means
something I put a big question mark on that it very likely could mean nothing at all as you're pointing out or how do
we go and look at this and go oh of course he knew that somebody was going to kill him or he knew that he was in
deep trouble and so he left this cryptic letter taped it to the back of his computer as a warning to everybody else
or as a hey this is what happened to me but nobody can figure out or make heads or tals of this letter so it didn't if
if that was the purpose of it he didn't do a very good job of of explaining that to anybody you see what
I mean like it it it to argue that this letter is proof that he was in trouble and people were after him I think that's
a hard argument to make when it's not a clear it's not a clear warning and it's not a clear arrow pointing to who did
him harm yeah and and again this is I mean it sounds like a crazy Theory but I don't know the character of Ray cuz I
wasn't friends with him they didn't show like a bunch of clips of this guy mm I don't don't know was he a gullible guy
or not is it possible that he moves out here is not connecting well with friends
and he's a little gullible and he's talking about some movie he wants to make some conspiracy movie and then his
friends decide to play a trick on him it just like the game right I don't understand why his
friend uh backed away like he did it seems like if it was suicidal or if he thought that there was
something going on with his friend mentally that he would have stuck around and answered as many questions as
possible I also think that if it was suicide that maybe this letter is kind of a cryptic way of leaving some kind of
note but again it's just not obvious so either there was no intent or with this letter itself or it just
it's lost on us if you're going to point to this letter and then then say this letter points more towards suicide
that's when I say I think this letter points more towards there was some kind of psychotic break in this young man and
he lost it and he chose to take his life when his wife was not in town people people have said well he
would have had to have known that Bader Hotel he would have had to have some kind of understanding and he wouldn't
have because he was not from there he was from out of town and I that's where I take it a step further and I go I
don't know that that that is the case I mean I think a big problem with this mystery is that it t it was so long
between the time he went missing to the time that he was found if he chose to take his own life
and chose to purposely not do that at his home so so that his poor wife wouldn't then later find his body maybe
he thought he was jumping into a place that would put him in you know right out there for somebody
to find him almost immediately so she wouldn't have to come home and find him but he just didn't know that building
and didn't know that he was landing and crashing through into a a space that was
for the most part unused right right or or didn't assume he would go through the
roof yeah did did he did he make a make did he make a mistake and think that he was going to land on the street yeah I
do want to go through something else here here Captain real quick and this is from The Baltimore Sun newspaper
Thursday August 6th of this year and this is in response to the release of the ray Rivera episode on Unsolved
Mysteries and I'm just going to read a few selected paragraphs from this but I ask that you bear with
me this article includes an interview with Porter stanbury as well as an interview
with the author that wrote the book about the Unexplained death the body at the badier but it also includes a second
friend of rays and his name is Brad Hopman who said that he knew Ray Rivera since childhood and remained close with
him up to his death he also believes the story has been Twisted quote this is a real conversation the world can have
about mental illness and help people get help when they need it end quote he goes
on to say and it turned out it turned into a murder mystery where they're accusing people of being
involved later in the article Stanberry says he has received death threats and his family has been harassed online he
said he's even been questioned by friends and potential business partners stansbery says quote it's horrific you
can't even imagine what it's like to tell people I had nothing to do with my friend's death then we have when Ray
Rivera went missing Stanbery said he hired a private investigator offered a reward and personally helped look for
Rivera once the body was found Stanberry said we were all sad and shocked by the
fact that Ray killed himself but once we saw all the facts and his financial pressure
it wasn't much of a mystery in the show retired Baltimore homicide detective Michael Bear and Rivera's wife say that
after Rivera's body was found stanbury refused to return calls from investigators and put out a quote gag
order on employees to keep them from Talking Stanbery says quote it's a complete lie it's not a matter of
opinion it's a lie he said only the employees were told to refer media inquir iies to a spokesperson right
which you've said is very common he said he personally spoke with a detective on
June 23rd 2006 so where this gets a little convoluted is remember this is after detective bear was moved to
another division so on Unsolved Mysteries detective bear is saying this man Stanberry wouldn't talk to me Stanberry
saying I did speak to a detective it was just a different detective right bear was moved in it's not any type of
conspiracy because bear did he he says look I did not agree with the police findings that this was suicide and I
think there's a good amount of questions here so I applaud him for going the extra mile to really get to the bottom
of this but it's not a conspiracy that he went against the grain and got moved to another division he requested to be
moved to this new task force that had formed and the way that those things generally work is you apply for a
position or or a department change and it takes some time for that to go in effect so he gets moved now we have
later in the article where Allison Rivera has said the call came from this is the the last phone call the call came
from the switchboard of Agora publishing and the specific caller could not be determined Agora a global publishing
company headquartered in Baltimore has several subsidiary companies including stansberry's and at the time all calls
were routed through a main switchboard a police spokeswoman on Tuesday this would
have been August 4th of this year said the call came from an owned subsidiary company of agore publishing so when you
read reports that say it came from Stanberry and Associates that's not what the police's
position is publicly on this they're not saying it didn't come from Stanberry Associates they're just saying it came
from a subsidiary of this parent company mhm so his friend talks to law enforcement he gets a detective to look
for his friend he puts up a award now you have this other friend coming out saying that Ray had some mental issues
mental health issues but couldn't he still figure out who made the call to Ray and what that call was about
yeah because because I also think when he talks about these Financial pressures he would know more than anybody because
he's the one that had his friend come out there and so he gets there and it's not working out but was it not working
out even more than we're LED on to believe because we we also don't have records and or statements of all there
was all this credit card debt and there was student loans and there was the house they were upside down on the
mortgage we just don't have any reports of that right we again we just have this
Stanbery character saying this publicly all these years later they haven't been in their house very long so I couldn't
imagine that they had much in the way of equity and I've seen many references to
Allison's and Ray's financials online I don't know where that those statements and reports are coming from
so I don't care to bother to report them here because it could just be some some
twerp in his basement typing that up and putting it out as fact I haven't seen it
published anywhere by anybody that's credible the article though cites a lot of really interesting things and if if I
can I'll continue here if you'll allow me I'll continue a little bit longer says Stanberry said that Ray Rivera had
also asked him previously if he had if he was in leadership of the Freemasons which Stanberry said he thought was a
joke he said when Rivera's family and friends were searching for him Rivera's wife told him that the Saturday before
he went missing Ry was morose and would not get out of bed she told me she was very worried about his mental state at
the time he disappeared stanbury said quote I'm not the only friend Ry approached and said these things that
were very odd now back to the other friend the second friend that we referenced earlier Brad Hopman
Ray's childhood friend said not long before his death Ry repeatedly asked him about being a member of the Freemasons
and discussing the film Eyes Wide Shut Hopman who also worked for Stanberry at one time but says they were not close
said the week before his death Rivera asked to be able to visit his top floor apartment in the Jersey City in Jersey
City Rivera had a key to the place but then returned it said quote he was acting really really weird that is a
quote from Brad Hopman in a separate interview that I read with employees and people that worked with
this Porter stanbury yeah they said that it was pretty common for Porter who as you pointed out earlier pretty
successful it was pretty standard practice for him to hire people that necessarily didn't have a background for
the position that he was offering them but they were people that he knew for most of his life right and that it was
people that he trusted you know he needed to put these people in a position of trust where where they would have his
back he would have theirs and therefore he valued that trust level more than them being educated or experienced in
that specific area of work right one thing that I found really interesting and and this goes along with some of the
opinions be it yours in mind that we have shared throughout the years in regards to the Brian Schaefer case
listen closely brotman remember brotman is the author of the 2018 book about Rivera's
death she was a resident of the badier she said that the Netflix show interviewed her for hours and that she
told them the roof was easily accessible not at all difficult to task to reach as
the show asserted mhm in her book she explores the various theories and concludes that Rivera likely had a
mental break and jumped from the roof she says quote I think if they had included my interviews it would have
closed down a lot of the speculation because it would have been obvious that a lot of avenues and angles had already
been explored at length end quote St Berry said the case is being sensationalized quote I think what's
really sad about this is there are people in Hollywood who would do anything to craft a story to get
attention even when it comes to destroying someone's reputation and trying to sensationalize the tragedy of
a death of a 32-year-old man end quote I find that awfully interesting that we have the woman that wrote a book about
this case that lives in the building and says you know what I I she's saying they
kind of conveniently left out my interviews because I was saying it was easy for someone to access the roof well
just like I've told you when I went and interviewed all those security guards at
the Ugly Tuna and they go of course there's blind spots and he could have got out of here without being on camera
yeah and you go well why has it been reported for the last five years or 10 years or whatever that it was impossible
it's because it makes it a better story it's a little more juicy so you have here a situation and one thing I want to
point out too remember we said that when they when they transferred the badier hotel when it went from being a hotel to
being renovated into Condominiums hotel hotel that there were still some portions of the building that were not
privately owned you know these are common spaces and some spaces that were in fact open to the public right the
badier hotel as It's oddly called even all these years later has a space that is called the
13th floor well it's kind of a famous bar so it's open to the public for people to go up all the way up to be at
the 13th floor and have some cocktails and drinks up there well that's not too many floors far away from either the top
or the 11th floor ledge where it's believed that he would have had to have jumped M so I think it's it's a weird
situation of what the story is kind of missing that we're hoping to fill in here is that one yes the Rooftop in the
ledge were probably more likely accessible than what we have a standard you know than what we have an
understanding of so far so what it sounds like here Captain is that the areas where he possibly could have
jumped from were easily accessible mhm that there is a reasonable explanation why the security footage does not exist
to this day and we have Engineers who say that it is physically and mathematically possible for somebody to
make it out that far horizontally if they're traveling at a speed that is is easily attained by a man who's in good
physical condition MH so I rule on the side and well I lean on the side of suicide here unfortunately with Ray
Rivera's case the question I still have at the end of the day even with these answers that we've tried to provide is
why do we have a situation where no one has ever come forward and said I was the
person that called Ray on that day that he disappeared I think one of the reasons why people have a hard time
believing this is suicide is because there wasn't a lot of signs of depression and so normally when people
think of suicides they think of that the individual was depressed again is it possible that he
was having some kind of mental break and not seeing things as clearly as he once
did whatever happened to Ry was obviously very tragic and it's a horrible story to have to tell it's a
horrible case to have to try to sift through and make heads or Tales of what possibly happened to this young man who
had his whole life ahead of him and as said was loved by everyone around him again captain my question goes to if
these other persons who are saying we believe this was a suicide we're backing the police's theory of suicide this is
what was going on in Ray's life at the time and it's a sad situation that we cannot have a discussion about mental
health about mental illness and work toward helping people again why do we not have the person coming
forward and saying I was the person that called Ray that afternoon on May [Music]
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Ray Rivera's mysterious death raises questions about suicide, mental health, and the circumstances of his fall from the Badier Hotel.

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True Crime Week on Stitcher. Stitcher hosts a week dedicated to the creepiest true crime podcasts.
The Mysterious Death of Ray Rivera. Exploring the circumstances surrounding Ray Rivera's death and the inconsistencies in the case.
Missing Evidence. The lack of security camera footage raises questions about the investigation.
The Mysterious Note. A note taped to Ray Rivera's computer raises questions about his disappearance.
Allison's Plea for Answers. Ray's wife, Allison, seeks clarity on her husband's death, questioning the investigation.
The Game and Reality. Exploring the parallels between Ray's life and the movie 'The Game'.

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