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[Music] the following is from the Edgar Award nominee for best fact crime book dark
Dreams by legendary FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood the most resourceful destructive and
Elusive of all deviate offenders is the ritualistic sexual sadist just like the great white shark is the
renowned predator of the oceans the sexual sadist is the most dangerous and cunning of aberrant criminals he
also presents the greatest challenge to law enforcement the sexual sadist is a meticulous
planner spending an inordinate amount of time inside his own head he may devote months or maybe even years
imagining his intended crime turning it over in his mind playing with it as one might examine a prism and a
Sunbeam studying all the different ways it reacts to the light he hates surprises and any kind of
spontaneity if possible he will rehearse every step of his crime repeatedly and do everything imaginable to reduce his
chances of failure the sexual sadist is also stunningly brutal the fantasies he wishes to enact with a
victim are horrendous his sexual pleasure is derived from her suffering Hazelwood goes on to include the
writings of convicted kidnapper rapist counterfeiter and suspected serial killer James Mitchell the Bartle Ben Jr
better known as Mike de bartlebin or by his law enforcement given moniker the mall passer he wrote what Hazelwood
refers to as the sexual sadist Credo where the Bartle bin defines the word sadism for us or at least what it means
to him which can only be described as extremely insightful as Mike was a sexual sadist
he writes sadism the wish to inflict pain on others is not the essence of sadism
the central impulse is to have complete Mastery over any other person to make him slash her the helpless
object of our will to become the absolute ruler over her to become her God to do with her as one pleases are means
to this end the most radical aim is to make her suffer since there is no greater power over
another person than that of inflicting pain on her to force her to undergo suffering
without her being able to defend herself the pleasure and the complete domination
over another person is the very essence of the sadistic Drive the crime classification manual written by the FBI
adds there are often multiple crime scenes involved with this type of sexual homicide
the place of the initial encounter the torture slash death scene and or the body disposal site
this is true crime garage [Music] Tina Marie Harmon was born in Creston Ohio on June 9 1969 to parents James and
Irene Harmon Creston is a village here in Ohio too small to have City status today the village of Creston has a
little more than 2100 people our story will kick off in 1981 and at that time roughly the same population just a bit
smaller at a little less than 1900 people Creston is just 2.26 square miles but the village is in
two counties Medina and Wayne Counties located in the northeastern portion of the state of Ohio by 1981 Tina's parents
were separated and she was living with her father James at a nice little house on onion Street in 1981 Tina Marie
Harmon was 12 years of age she was a sixth grader at Sterling Elementary she did well in school she loved cats and
Country Music people say that she was a good singer so much so that several people thought that she could make a
career of it her Aunt Ruth Hatfield would later say that Tina was a very tough little girl she had some brothers
and had no trouble standing up to them in fact I think her aunt said she would fight with her brothers all of the time
Tina was a round face kid with dark eyes and long brown hair in most ways she was
a typical sixth grade girl she was ready to hit her teenager years and was already a little rebellious pre-teen
on October 29 1981 this was a Thursday Tina went to school and rode the bus home afterwards Tina got a ride from her
father's girlfriend now some sources say to the local Lawsons Lawson's is a now defunct convenience store chain
other sources say to and I think this is more accurate it says that she went to the Lorraine
market and I think you'll see why the Lawsons is probably not right just yet in our timeline so her father's
girlfriend dropped Tina off in front of the store she was meeting up with a group of her friends they all went
inside the store Tina bought a fudge sickle her friend's last saw her sitting in front of the convenience store eating
her snack do you know how many friends were with her this would have been three girls
apparently she told the three girls that she would catch up with them at some point later in the evening however all
three says that never happened the friends walked on and Tina did not leave with them the sources have Tina seen
walking along Main Street in downtown Creston at 6 30 PM now many sources do not mention this next item on our
timeline but it seems to me that it would fit pretty accurately so I would like to include it here James Renner who
has wrote about this case and we should mention Phil Trexler who wrote extensively on some portions of this as
well but Renner writes that Tina was able to catch yet another ride and this time it was from her older brother it is
said that he drove her to another convenience store or a lawsense so that's why I think that the Lawsons got
mixed up with the Lorraine market right after that somehow she made it near the village of Seville
now we don't have an exact location for this so if we were to do just a very basic from the center of Main Street
Creston to this spot in Seville it's roughly just under five miles or seven to nine minutes driving time
Seville is listed as a village as well and in 1981 would have had a population right around under 2 000 people and we
say that she made it to this location because according to the Akron Beacon Journal which is probably one of the
very best sources for this case several credible Witnesses remembered seeing Tina at the Union 76 Truck Stop
and the truck stop of America at Interstate 76 and Interstate 71 near Seville that evening and that would also
make a lot of sense because from what I have been reading back in 1981 the only real entertainment for the teens of
Creston was at the Union 76 Truck Stop a few miles away which had snacks and arcade games Tina was known to frequent
the place and just like myself Captain she was a fan of the pinball games found there at the Union 76 Truck Stop all
right so we have Tina she's 12 years old goes to the store from that store we know she was at the store because she
was with some friends from that store her brother takes her to another store we don't know how she got from that
store to the truck stop which was a local teen hangout which was about five miles away from the center of town
correct and we say the center of town because again we don't know where the last location is to be exact as far as a
street address because it's a it's a business that's no longer in existence but we have eyewitnesses that
place Tina at the truck stop according to the Akron Beacon Journal they say several witnesses and they specifically
say several credible Witnesses say that they saw the young girl 12 years old at both of these truck stops yeah I'm
guessing those credible witnesses will be employees and not children and when we say truck stops you have to keep in
mind too that these are also you know their gas stations you could pull in there and fill up your vehicle your car
it's not just limited to truck drivers and semi trucks right and a lot of these for for those that may live in bigger
cities or or unfamiliar with these type of truck stops they're really like a gas
station on steroids they're much bigger you can walk in it has they always have an attached convenience store they have
acne on their body because these people that are traveling great distances they need to pick up food use the restroom
right some of them have an arcade room may have a sit-down restaurant inside this one the Union 76 the reason why it
was kind of a teenager hangout back then it was a few miles north of Creston there's not a whole lot to do in the
small town of Creston the funny thing is Seville where they're going to go hang out is even smaller right it just
happens to be that it's right off of both interstates so it's going to get a lot of business business the Union 76
had a little arcade room attached to it and it was said that she would often go up there and play pinball games and
arcade games just so we don't run into any confusion here Captain wait was it Noah's arcade no I I doubt that it even
had a as sphincter says what the Union 76 Truck Stop as some may remember is a company out of El Segundo California the
76 signs are the orange ball with the blue number 76 inside right very popular on like American Pickers so I'm giving
that detail Captain because this large gas station slash truck stop is reported to be in the area right around where
Interstate 71 and Interstate 76 overlap right so the truck stop is not called Union 76 because of the 76 interstate
the truck stop Union 76 is one of it's just one of many across this great country do you know where the trucks
fill up with gas is that connected to where also the cars fill up with gas I don't know and I get what you're you're
getting at sometimes they're you know one might be in front and one might be off to the side of the store is that
what you mean yeah because normally now you know this is back in 1981 but now normally truck stops of this size to the
left will be all the gas pumps for semis to the right will be all gas pumps for just regular cars fans or trucks I'm
guessing that would be the setup because it's very difficult for those those trucks can't maneuver the same way that
Vehicles can right now Tina did not come home that night and the three friends that were with her for a portion of that
evening all say the same thing that they did not see her again that night after they left her at the Lorraine Market
sitting in front of the store right so they never caught up with her right so this is a Thursday this is October 29th
just two days before Halloween and it it's I find it incredibly fascinating how many cases we have heard of when a
child goes missing right before Halloween right Jacob wetterling Amy mihalovic in this case of Tina Harmon
and unfortunately there are there are many more of them well maybe it's because of
Jason Voorhees or Mike Myers I think in the midwest in particular the reason why
we have that uh common occurrence or or this reoccurring thing of late October child abductions
May simply have to do with the weather you know people are out they're still out it's not yet gotten really cold in
the area so Tina's family and friends they of course are looking for her law enforcement is aware that the girl is
missing and at her school the principal this is Wilbur Bowers was talking to Tina's friends and classmates trying to
see if any of them can shed any light on the situation Unfortunately they could not there was a lot of thinking at the
time that Tina was out running around and she would turn up sooner rather than later but the night that she left that
she was last seen as a Thursday so maybe you can talk yourself into the idea for
a night or two especially over the weekend right but then Sunday Night hits and then Monday and she still has not
come home by then and as a parent or a family member yeah she's 12. you have to be out of your
mind about the situation by that point yeah I mean look maybe this is behavior of a 16 year old or 17 year old that's
still living at home especially this would be more likely to happen in the 19 1981 but a 12 year old
I'm saying the first night she she doesn't come home as is a bad sign well on Tuesday November 3rd at about 9 A.M
Tina's body was discovered by a man named herb Seifert this is five days later five days after she was last seen
the girl's body was found on an oil well Access Road off of Goodrich Road in Stark County's Bethlehem Township
now there is no really good direct route from these two truck stops which are basically right next to each other right
to this area where she was found but to give an idea of distance depending on the route we are looking at 41 to 53
miles and a drive time of over of 44 to 55 minutes right even though her body was discovered in Stark County Wayne
County caught the case when Tina went missing and they kept the case even after she was found based on the belief
that she was killed there in their County before being dumped in Bethlehem Township the body was taken to Massillon
Community Hospital Tina's parents went there and after the body was identified Tina's mother Irene collapsed and was
admitted for treatment for shock we have some autopsy information as well and some further leads this is going to go
along with physical evidence to help us with our Chase here Captain yes so Stark
County coroner James Pritchard was in charge of the autopsy from my understanding of the body Discovery site
she was found in plain sight so anyone traveling this road would have found her now this is a pretty remote area and
this is an access road with no name so this is a Road Less Traveled situation Tina was fully clothed either redressed
after she was killed or forced to dress before she was raped and strangled the coroner's office stated that she was
killed by quote choking by hands and there were marks on the neck which appeared to be made by rope on her
clothes detectives discovered important Clues this was dog hairs and orange carpet fibers these carpet fibers have
also been described as nutmeg in color interestingly enough detectives found some items of interest in her pockets
the first item was a Union 76 truck stop matchbook right okay so this goes well with the witnesses that say they saw her
there that Thursday night yeah more evidence to back up the witnesses they also found three dollars and 25 cents in
her it says in her clothing right her Father James said Tina left home with five dollars on her person that evening
police said to the papers that that information could offer some possible leads or theories as well
I didn't really follow that it seemed a little confusing to me they seem to think that because she still had money
on her person that that suggested that she was staying with somebody or somebody was providing for her while she
was gone that doesn't make any sense because she could have been taken Thursday night the rape could have
happened Thursday night and our body was left Thursday night and just discovered
it now well I think this is where this is why I think they're jumping to conclusions because of this next part
and this next part is one of the most important pieces of evidence in this case the tricky part of this homicide
investigation is well let's say the first very tricky item in this case the coroner was
certain and was able to provide a window of time for which Tina was killed so she
died by asphyxiation by strangling the test indicating that she had been dead for 24 to 36 hours when the body
was discovered okay so last scene Thursday night right body found at about 9 A.M the following
Tuesday and the autopsy is telling us she was killed between 9 pm Sunday night and 9 00 a.m Monday morning that's a lot
of time so now Captain we have roughly 72 hours between the time last seen and the time the coroner says she was killed
maybe as much as 84 hours that's a lot of time missing from Tina's timeline here roughly four days
right well yeah it'd be it would be three to three and a half days roughly now Creston police chief they were
looking to speak with a man and a young woman this is because he says they had individuals stating that they had may
had seen Tina in the presence of one or both of these people right the brief description was given of both but
because those description varied at times and even contradicted each other at times we will simply go with
what similarities were listed a Caucasian male early 20s to mid 30s and a Caucasian female young late teens
possibly in her 20s the way that this information was presented to the public I get the impression that the Witnesses
believe Tina to have been hanging out with either one or both of these people right there is no one saying they
witnessed an abduction or that Tina looked to be threatened or the victim of a kidnapping by either of these people
right but that doesn't mean that these people weren't in the arcade or at the truck stop and had some rules to get a
young girl into a vehicle well and we got to keep in mind too these could be these are what detectives would consider
to be loose leads these are leads that you're 100 going to follow up on because it could take you further down in your
timeline we've already pointed out what we need to do now is figure out why there's a gap in this timeline why do we
have 72 to 84 hours missing between the time she was last seen and the time that
it's believed that she was killed and if you already said so I apologize but how was she planning to get home
from the gas how is Tina planning on getting home from the truck stop Thursday night
that's a good question my speculation here Captain is that that her parents may not have known she she was going to
go to the gas station or his truck stop Tina may not have known she was going to
go to this truck stop when she left the house that night it sounds to me like the plan was to meet up with friends
she's going to hang out and tag along with friends as kids do and end up back at home some point that night either by
you know walking home or catching a ride with somebody yeah maybe she was expecting her friends to be there and
then she'd just catch a ride with one of their parents or or brothers sisters or
whoever but if this information is right and if these Witnesses are correct then she's getting further and further
away from home the night is getting later and as you pointed out we don't know how she intended to get back to her
house that night do we have any signs of her wanting to run away no but as said we we have some speculation from the get
that states that they thought that was a possibility that not maybe that she was
running away so much to say but that she would stay out for the night or stay out
for a couple of nights that she was out hanging out with people or running around with friends the thing we need to
keep in mind though regarding these Witnesses saying that we think we saw Tina hanging out with a a man a young
Caucasian man uh in his 20s or 30s or and or a young Caucasian woman either late teens or in her 20s
you have to factor in the fact that we don't even know that it was in fact Tina that they saw with either of these
people right what these Witnesses are saying or claiming is that someone matching the description of Tina or
someone we think might be Tina these are not people saying that they knew this girl
these are people saying somebody matching this girl's description the missing girl's description I believe I
saw them with this man or with this woman or both and the Creston police chief stated that neither of these
people are suspects at this time these are simply just people that we would like to talk to
[Music] foreign [Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers to you Captain cheers to the
people in the back later that same week a similar lead was discussed with the media to be clear here we should State
something that is not the most common thing in a homicide investigation but in this case once Tina's remains are
discovered and of course this was very quickly ruled a homicide we now at this point in our timeline have at least
three agencies working the case we have Wayne and Stark counties plus of course the Creston Police Department
now they are saying we are trying to locate a male truck driver and a woman in connection with the murder of 12 year
old Tina Harmon this is quite a step up from their earlier request that we would
we have this young man and this young woman that might have been seen with Tina these are not suspects these are
people that we would just like to talk to now they're saying we're looking we're actively looking for a male truck
driver and a woman that are in connection with the murder of twelve-year-old Tina Harmon doesn't mean
they're the murderers but this is information and people that law enforcement three different agencies
desperately want to talk to at this point and at this time they're going to be able to offer up a little more detail
stating Tina was reportedly seen with a man at the truck stop at Interstate 71 and Interstate 76 in Medina County this
would be on the Thursday that she first went missing but several hours after the
6 30 p.m last sighting by her friends and or family the statement from detectives goes on to
say that Tina was also seen in the presence of a woman that same night and possibly possibly
again on Monday night yes the Monday night before her body was found that Tuesday morning right and that puts it
in the timeline or the time frame that police have for her death for her to possibly still be alive Monday night
Friday Saturday Sunday no eyewitnesses seeing Tina right well I think this is the part to me that just doesn't add up
because they're saying possibly had seen in the presence of this woman on Monday night
Monday night before her body's found Tuesday morning at 9 00 a.m the coroner is saying that she was killed 24 to 36
hours before her body was found so right Tina's not unfortunately not alive and well Monday night to be hanging out or
be seen with anybody so now you have to start to wonder that takes away from The credibility of
the sighting not that the person is lying or making anything up that the witness that says they saw this right
it's just that they may think that they saw Tina with some woman we know that that cannot be at least for that Monday
night the Thursday possibilities are still out there well I mean it's possible obviously if the autopsy is
completely wrong but we have no evidence of this person not knowing what the hell
they're doing right so I agree with you there but I also think it it makes you question The credibility of the
sightings after her friend saw her you know is it is it like you said before is it just somebody seeing a girl that fits
Tina's description or are they actually seeing Tina correct I think these are likely people that want to help
that are trying to help they just they they didn't see what they thought they saw right but and tons of missing person
cases yeah eyewitnesses that claim they they see individuals all over the country to be more clear
the missing person right we think we saw the missing person on the other side of
the country and unfortunately that missing individual turns up to have been killed and remained in the area the
entire time again it's just people who want to help now this is interesting the detectives
got some help from students over at Kent State University art students using descriptions from waitresses and other
people from the Union 76 Truck Stop put together sketches of both the man and the woman that police say they were
looking to talk with right by this time there is a small reward for information in the case
this was put together from several sources but one in particular some of the money came from Tina's Father James
Harmon's place of employment so very nice not only do they understand or try to help him
through what he's going through but they're also trying to help find Justice for this little girl
then three months later and this is with no notice to the media whatsoever no notice to the media about
detectives closing in on a suspect they were able to finally make an arrest in fact they made two arrests one man was
arrested here in Ohio and a second man was arrested in West Virginia Mountain Mama this is 19 year old Ernest Holbrook
Jr he was the one arrested here in Ohio he was charged in court with the rape and murder of Tina Marie Harmon on
February 12 1982. the public learned of this arrest the following day meanwhile on the same day as hallbrook's
Arrest 26 year old Herman Ray Rucker was arrested in West Virginia almost simultaneously after Rucker was
extradited back to Ohio he too was charged in Tina's rape and murder he was charged on February 16 1982.
okay so this arrest comes about because of a tip and this is when people detectives were
talking with some people that led police to two suspects now some of this information is a little vague so I
apologize but we can only report the information that's out there well I mean we could make up stuff if we wanted to
you want to fill in the blanks okay that that's our other show fictitious crime garage apparently there was a broadcast
on local Northeast Ohio television and during a segment regarding runaways and missing teens Tina's picture was shown
during this segment and some brief information was given about her and about the case so after seeing this on
TV two female Witnesses came forward stating that they had seen the girl the murdered girl this was from something
they said they witnessed around the time that the teen went missing before her body was found the two said that they
saw Tina Marie Harmon jump from a vehicle or a parked car and two men grabbed her and returned her to the
vehicle it was the description of the vehicle according to the Beacon Journal that says LED investigators to the
suspects so let's break this down quickly before we move on here right these two witnesses
again they're just trying to help but it's not until three months later that they see and this is if we're going
off of what the newspapers say roughly three months later they see this segment on TV Tina's picture is shown and now
they're going thought bubble oh the girl that we saw back when she was missing that was Tina Marie who jumped from a
vehicle right and these two guys grabbed her up and put put her back in the vehicle I find this
one I think they're trying to help I think these are probably good people do you feel as weird about this tip as I do
yeah it's very strange um but sometimes you see something you pass off as maybe being innocent and
then later you see something and go oh maybe that's would make sense of what we saw that night yeah I I follow that and
I'm with you there the thing that I think is a little bizarre is Tina's picture when her body was found
three months before was all over the place right it was all I I just it seems weird that they would have connected
these dots this much time later rather than at the time when her body was found yeah I agree and the case is still
for a lack of better words hot and fresh yeah I'm sure you could have found some
better words well what we end up with is the following there was no real physical evidence
linking either of these men to the murder and both Men passed a polygraph test according to
the law enforcement agency's working the case but the detectives decided we're going
to push on anyway this is because they had two witnesses that both implicated both Holbrook and Rucker detectives were
convinced that Holbrook and Rucker were the perpetrators Because holbrook's cousin Curtis Maynard and his
acquaintance Susan Sigler Dirk Diggler claimed that Hermann Ray Rucker confessed to killing
confess The Killing to the two of them okay so let's break this down police are not saying we have two witnesses you
know the two female witnesses that say they saw Tina run from a vehicle two guys grab her up put her back in the
vehicle right we know that those two witnesses are not saying that Rucker and Holbrook did this they're
simply saying we saw a girl jump out of a car two guys grab her put her back in the car this is what the
guys look like this is what their vehicle looked like that's as far as those witnesses can provide to
Detectives and I think why we have detectives push on here even though they had no physical
evidence and these guys passed the poly is because we now have two witnesses that come forward and name these guys by
name preach on this is we should be clear here though too captain detectives are receiving this
information before they make the arrest right they speak with this Susan Sigler before they make the arrest she names
these guys I'm guessing that possibly the tip because the Akron Beacon Journal reported that it was the description of
the vehicle that led detectives to the suspects right but we have law enforcement also looking for a female
suspect right at first it's just a female a male that might have talked to Tina later it's to a male and a female
that we think are connected to her murder that starts making me question is this individual just
passing the buck off onto somebody else that she knows right I'm with you there I'm with you there it's it's a bizarre
lead to start with but then what we have here is Susan Zigler claimed that Herman
Ray Rucker confessed The Killing to both her in this Curtis Maynard yeah I almost feel like it's there's some
possibility of all four of them being connected so we have eyewitnesses that place Tina or a girl that looks like
Tina at the truck stop with a male and female individuals those are the ones that ruse her into the car because it's
easier to lose her because we have a female present they take her to a location and now there's four
individuals three three men and one woman eventually they they move the girl maybe that's when she jumps out that's
when the these eyewitnesses see see her with two men they grab her take her back
in the truck and then eventually dispose of the body right and what we're going to learn about as we continue on here
Captain is we will get some better detailed information regarding these claims by Susan Sigler and Curtis
Maynard once we get to trial right so the trial was set to start May 28 1982 and Wooster Ohio rooster Holbrook and
Rucker are facing similar charges and were to be tried jointly now you know Captain I'm not a big fan of the joint
trial I actually don't even understand why they do it but they're facing similar charges it saves
money on prosecution all related to the same crimes so let's move forward there to be tried jointly this was until
holbrook's attorney was forced to have emergency surgery so they decide Rucker's trial would continue and Hall
Brooks would be rescheduled for a later date what was the surgery um I I don't I don't know hopefully they
were chopping off his testicles why why would we hope for that I'm just saying that one can hope one can have dreams
don't crush my dreams so you you would like for holbrook's attorney to have his testicles removed oh [ __ ] I thought you
meant Holbrook not his attorney right and let's keep in mind both these guys are innocent until proven guilty as well
well I'm sorry so Rutgers trial will continue and holbrooks will have to be scheduled for later again it's his
attorney who's having emergency surgery Rucker pled not guilty to all of the charges the charges were two counts of
aggravated murder with death penalty specifications and one count each of kidnapping and rape in the opening
statements the prosecutor told the jury of nine men and three women that the state has evidence showing that Tina was
12 years old who was just 12 years old she was kidnapped and raped that Witnesses saw Rucker subdue Tina when
she tried to flee from them while in the vehicle right he said that the prosecution has a witness who will
testify that Rucker and Holbrook visited a friend to get money because they were
in trouble they quote were in trouble the prosecutor told the jury that Herman Rucker was the primary offender and we
will show that Rucker did this purposely this was a prior calculated act do we know how much money they got from this
friend no that's that is something that I question if that was reported I couldn't find the actual court documents
right so most of what I have to go off of is from the reporters that are reporting what they're witnessing in
court back to the the media and in the papers right this is prosecutor Altier continued on saying quote that is the
the evidence that we will present you will hear a tragedy you have Rucker in the courtroom you have seen Mr Holbrook
in the courtroom the person you will not see is Tina Marie Harmon she is dead all
right well captain that is one side of the story the side is that they threw me off the jury because he would have said
that I would have said no duh and then they would have thrown me off to the church the other side is that neither
Rucker or Holbrook had anything to do with the abduction or murder of Tina Harmon as said both Men passed a
polygraph examination and both had an alibi for their whereabouts for the window of time when the murder is
believed to have been committed Rucker was 26 at the time of this trial one of the key Witnesses for the State against
Rucker was 24 year old Susan Sigler Sigler and Rucker had some kind of relationship three years before this
trial Sigler lived in West Salem in Wayne County Ohio at the time of the trial and at the time when she said that
Rucker confessed to her that he beat a little girl and left her alongside of the road because she refused to have sex
with them she testified that this confession took place on the evening of October 30th this is one day after Tina
was last seen at 6 30 pm on the 29th right Sigler said Not only did he say he beat a little girl and left her on the
side of the road she claimed that he showed her a picture of the girl and also showed her a
heart-shaped pendant with necklace that he had taken from the victim what will look really bad for Rucker and Holbrook
is a second witness this is Curtis Maynard backed up Susan sigler's testimony this is a guy that's dating
her they are listed as acquaintances okay so he's going to back up Susan's testimony adding not only did all of
what Susan say take place right but Rucker and Holbrook asked him for some money because they
were in trouble and needed to get out of town he goes on to say that the two guys
took him to see Tina's body and they told him if he told anyone they were going to kill him oh that seems
pretty damning right yes took this guy to see the body so not not only did they show a picture and tell a story to the
female they took the male to see the body and then of course we have the two witnesses that say they saw a vehicle
with two men and a young girl and the girl appeared to be struggling for Freedom yeah both of the witnesses
picked Rucker and Holbrook out of a police photo lineup four separate Witnesses four very damning testimonies all
implicating these two men for this murder no physical evidence no physical evidence was presented at either trial
in fact later the prosecution went on record stating that they had zero physical evidence against either
individual not only it's not like we forgot to present it we we didn't have it to present yeah so they never found
the rope that should have been strangled with no and and as far as the autopsy goes we
believe that she was only sexually assaulted once that's that's difficult to determine again that would be
considered physical evidence against these guys none of that they didn't present that at either trial so
so if they do have that type of evidence which I don't believe that they did that
would tell me that it goes against their case against their Theory you don't present evidence at the trial that that
makes it look like somebody other than you're trying to prosecute did this so what we have here Captain is two
separate trials one a jury trial and Hall Brook's trial was in front of a three-judge panel both men
were tried separately both men were found to be guilty for the crimes they were charged Rucker was the primary
offender according to the state of Ohio and Holbrook aided an abetted Rucker in the brutal murder of a child now neither
man received the death penalty both were to be sentenced to life in prison right
and usually there's some underlining details in the sentencing when one especially when someone gets life in
prison I couldn't find out the details for Holbrook because keep in mind he's being charged with a lesser crime but
Rucker got life in prison with the possibility of parole after 20 years so Holbrook either received the same
sentence or a lesser sentence I mean these guys look like goat turds right but on top of that the crime is so
heinous that's why I think you get convictions like this there's no physical evidence really you should have
to go okay well we think these are the guys and we have some eyewitnesses that maybe place them at the scene I think
that most damning piece of evidence is when you have eyewitness saying that these two men took me to see the dead
body correct I think that's the most damning piece of evidence you throw everything else out the window with that
you still get a conviction on top of that because they look like goat turds and because it's such a heinous crime
that's how you get the conviction well and I'm guessing that you're saying looks like goat turds based off of the
the witnesses coming forward with these stories presented against them no I'm saying that their appearance looks a
little goat turdish and I just think they look a little disheveled and if you see their pictures in the courtroom or
their mug shots they they kind of look like go turds well I get what you're saying it's just I mean
they they just look like two guys from small town America to me and the witnesses to be honest with you
they look like people from the same neighborhoods so they look like goat turds as well well
you said it you said it Captain's words in 1982 in two separate trials we have Herman Rucker and Ernest Holbrook both
young men found guilty of homicide abduction and rape of a little girl both sentenced to life in prison
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When the Demons Came Out /// Part 1 /// 459

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In the early eighties something very frightening occurred in Ohio. A bizarre string of child abductions and murders hit Northeast and central Ohio. This week we take a look at some of these cases. Were they connected and who was responsible? Join us this week for parts 1 and 2 of “When the Demons Came Out.”

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Brief Summary

Tina Marie Harmon, 12, went missing in 1981; her murder led to the arrest of Herman Rucker and Ernest Holbrook based on witness accounts.

Key points

The Nature of Sexual Sadists. Exploring the characteristics of the most dangerous criminals, the sexual sadist.
Tina's Last Day. Tina Harmon, a 12-year-old girl, goes missing after leaving home.
Tragic Discovery. Five days after she went missing, Tina's body is found.
Witnesses' Claims. Witnesses report seeing Tina with a man and a woman the night she went missing.
Arrests Made. Two suspects arrested in connection with the murder of Tina Harmon.
Trial Begins. The trial for the suspects in Tina's murder is set to start.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The sexual sadist is the most dangerous and cunning of aberrant criminals.

Discussion on the nature of sexual sadists.

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