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this is something we've been wanting to do for a while I guess at least the entirety of 2020 as we've been putting
together great shows and great cases for the whole year every one of them was great that was we took a vote and
everybody confirmed every one of the shows was absolutely great but you and I are going to talk about the ones that we
enjoyed the most yeah we put out a poll and everybody said every episode was number
one tied for number one some would say it was the best year we ever had some would say that um so today we're going
to each talk about our top five our five favorite shows of this last year of the
great year that was 2020 I like to think that you know about 15 20 years from now when we're sitting
around and we're all very old and we're sipping our beer maybe we're drinking it
through a straw at that point that we're going to go hey you guys remember that year when we stayed inside and didn't go
anywhere that was nice that was nice and football was completely weird the Buckeyes are looking for their sixth
Victory here in December all right without further Ado uh I'm I'm assuming we gave Carlos the day off he's not here
to count us down no he's not here we we got to get we had to lay people off because of because of the covid we got
to talk to him and see if we can get him back in the garage for 2021 said he will not work for
free all right Captain here is my number five for best of 2020 the responsible side of me said to
go with the I70 killer because it's such a fascinating mystery where did the killer go why did he start abruptly and
then stop abruptly but the Fanboy side of me went with our mind Hunter John Douglas episodes this
would be episodes 445 and 446 from November from just last month of this year I went with this because it's no
secret the colonel loves John Douglas I his books are fantastic I've been a fan of his career and everything that he has
done and the interesting thing that we had with this year's episodes and this year's interview with him
one we've been very lucky to interview John Douglas at all right I mean he is the top name in true crime in my opinion
in this in this form of infotainment that we do yeah if not the top name at least in the top five of top names
correct I mean we've talked to Paul holes he's fascinating he's he's considered one of the big names he's
fascinating he's handsome he's very handsome that's right and he passionate about all the unsolved cases out there
and I love hearing Paul talk about the deli case he's one of the top names we've met Nancy Grace top mom times she
is is such a delightful person and Incredibly funny and Charming she's one of the top names but for me I think the
top name is John Douglas so we've been lucky to interview him he spoke with us last year and last year it was like okay
please stick to the book that's coming out that's the killer across the table and he doesn't do very many shows so
when he did our little garage show and and then agreed to do it a second time I thought well either either we fooled him
or he likes the garage so this time he just said or he's drunk Nick you guys come up with whatever you want to talk
about right and so he walks into this interview no idea what random questions the colonel is gonna throw at and we
talked about everything from uh the Zodiac to John Benet Ramsay to the West Memphis 3 I just peppered him with
questions all these old cases cases that he worked as an FBI agent or cases that
he worked as a consultant after he retired some cases he just looked into for the media's perspective yeah he only
had one requirement was there there's no Captain I think he this table's not big
enough for the both of us Captain he likes the captain but yeah I was just such a pleasure to have John Douglas on
the show again and it was it just made my day made my whole week in fact to hear him say hey I'd like to come on
again next year so we're hoping to have Mr Douglas the Mind Hunter on again next
year in 2021 well I'm just just think about it all those years ago sitting in the hot garage laptop I think the laptop
fan was going a million miles a minute sweat dripping down we had two mics but only one of them was nice if I
would have told you after that episode hey guess what couple years from now you're going to interview John Douglas
twice you would have been like you must be really drunk this episode I would have said I am you're a
liar yeah so that's my number five there boys and girls mind Hunter John Douglas
episodes 445 and 446 if you've not checked those out because some some people do not dig the interview shows I
get that they want more of the storytelling with a new case if you have followed the Zodiac John Benet West
Memphis 3 three I can't even think of all the cases we talked about we talked about so Hunter if you like Silence of
the Lambs if you like red dragon that's right he gave us a little insight into the Mind Hunter season 3 as well uh so
yeah thereof correct so check check that out uh if you enjoy any of those old cases my number five is I guess
self-serving because the more I went over the list of shows for 2020 I kept on going back to the fact that the the
Hi-Fi murders to me that might have been my best theme music all year so I had to
put that on the list high five Murders episodes 402 and 403 and anybody with the Stitcher app that wants to go back
and listen to some of these older ones they have the ability to do that if you don't have the Stitcher app you get it
for free and check out these old episodes the Hi-Fi case is a very interesting one it's it's a spoiler
alert if you've not listened it's a solved case but the police work the investigation is very interesting the
the brutality of the crime is horrific yeah and really at the end of the day it was thought to be that it was just some
goons that were looking to steal some very expensive stereo equipment and they're going to go in and Rob this
stereo store take all of the the expensive equipment that they have but it turns ugly very very quickly it's a
it's a horrific case thank God that it's solved but a very interesting one and it
gives it it gives you the perspective of a very violent crime and a very thorough
investigation that followed along with the the trials and such that took place that will bring me to my number four
there Captain I went with Taylor Robinson this was a case that we were asked to be involved in to to shine a
spotlight on this case Taylor Robinson was a 19-year-old Kent State student she was studying to be a nurse and worked as
a home healthare Aid Taylor was known as a kind person who volunteered at church
and wored with special needs children just a fantastic person somebody that we need we need more people like Taylor
Robinson in this world one night in May of 2013 her mother dropped her off at work
she was working at a house and she would stay overnight to watch a special needs
child the mother of the child was at work and the next morning when Taylor's mom went to the house to pick her up
Taylor wasn't there the mother of the child who arrived DED home shortly before yells at Taylor's mom because
she's like you know where is your daughter she left my my child home alone all night long Taylor's mother explains
that she dropped Taylor off that she was there she's as concerned as as the patient's mother is Taylor's coat and
shoes were left at the house there's no sign of Taylor so immediately her mother
and her family they know something terrible has happened and it wasn't until 4 months later that bones were
found at the kyoga Valley National Park this is 15 miles away from where Taylor was working that night her clothing was
found within a mile of her remains she was found in a heavily wooded area in a heavily wooded part of the park this is
an area that would not be easily accessible by vehicle when we covered this case Captain we pretty much laid
out for everyone what happened that night and without naming names we we were not given the ability by law
enforcement to name names here in this particular case but they have pretty much narrowed it down to two people
either one of these individuals was involved in her murder and more importantly the disposal of her remains
because she would not have been easy to move to the location where she was found
so they actually believe that two people were involved in the I hate to say this
the cleanup of the murder itself and getting rid of Taylor's Body and we were asked to get involved in Spotlight this
case it's one that's near and dear to my heart so I put it at number four on my list and as a reminder anybody in
Northeast Ohio let me know if this came true because the rumor was last year when we covered it that soon they were
going going to be putting up billboards with Taylor Robinson's face and her name
and information on there to help bring more awareness to the cause and to her case her unsolved case one that is now
what I would deem a cold case I don't know if that happened or not you know the 2020 has been wacky and wild so a
lot of things have not come to fruition but if anybody's seen those Billboards please email me let me know I would love
to know if those are up and just a quick reminder too if anybody has any information even if this is stuff you've
been holding on to for years and and haven't been able to tell anybody we have a gentleman that you can reach out
to Tim demoff he's with the uh sacs Consulting he's been working with Taylor's family to solve this case he
can be reached at 33730 3524 or by email at T demoff atsc consulting.com all right number
four on my list is Mara Murray the Julie Murray interview those that's episode 368 and
369 and I think it's because well one it's the first long form interview that she's pretty much
ever done and then the the family wanted to use the interview to put on their website for people that are looking into
their sister their daughters their family members case Mara Murray being a girl that disappeared in 2004 her case
has really become one of the most famous cases on the internet for people to dive
into so I think the reason why I like it is the idea that we're adding to an investigation we're adding something to
the TR True Crime Community it wasn't just our take on possibly what happened uh we were working with their family to
get an interview where Julie would be able to talk openly about her sister and that kind of just gives you a better
profile of the victim it was a fascinating interview and I know you and her go well kind of way back bit of
friends so it was very interesting to listen in on what is an interview but also just generally a
conversation and about Mara's case and some of it really cleared a few things up too I believe that were just things
that were misconstrued over the years about Mara her personality her her characteristics and the case itself so
it was a fascinating look and I think you're right I think it did very much add something to the True Crime
landscape for that cas case in particular my number three captain we're moving right along here I went with jabz
span this is a case that we covered in January episodes number 366 and 367 this case is eerily similar to
Taylor Robinson's case that we covered in June of last year that was episode 406 and 407 if I failed to mention that
earlier but jaz's case is eerily similar in a sense that police pretty much know
who did this or or have a good idea of who was involved to the point where they have the names of these yahoos that
committed this crime and we came under some fire because I I I must have said the word thugs about a thousand times
during those episodes but I don't know if there's a better term to label people that that kill others in the streets and
then abduct a child I mean we're talking about people that are out committing crimes constantly and then they're
committing murders to cover up their other crimes and that's what these individuals are and the the Sarasota
Police Department desperately needs help in jaz's case which also is very much involved with several other homicides
that they have out there they've been able to close some other cases that are that are connected to jaz's case but
they still need help we're talking about jabz our victim here he was 14 years old
when he disappeared on Labor Day in 2017 he was last seen at a candlelight vigil
in Sarasota just two blocks away from his home and a witness saw jabz with two other boys around 1 in the morning and
he disappeared within an hour or two of that sighting it was January of 2020 when we covered it
and that was roughly about a year since his skeletal remains were found he had been missing from his home since
September of 2017 his his mom and grandmother and family were just destroyed and
devastated by him having gone missing and then of course years later they find his remains and that was from a uh a
press conference that took place in February of 2019 when the Sarasota police and the Manatee County Sheriff's
Office reported that a man working a fence line in a rural part of Manatee County found the remains of of just
14-year-old jabz span a a kid with a beautiful smile look he was a teenager he wasn't a saint neither was I when I
was 14 years old but he had his whole life ahead of him and I think jabz would have went on to do some great things and
this really stinks because it it's the murder of a child but also the murder to cover up other homicides and other
crimes in a particularly bad area of what is a good Community what is a good area uh Sarasota Florida the police say
that they are still asking for anyone who has any information again they know who did this they just need some
evidence and they need to build cases against the these individuals that's right plural
individuals you we need to get these people off of the streets because they're a danger to everyone in that
Community they need people to come forward the reward money for information leading to an arrest in jaz's case I
believe believe is up as high as $50,000 and people can submit tips anonymously to Crim Stoppers down there
at 941366 8477 or you can reach out to the Sarasota Police Department just a word
to the wise something we've talked about plenty of times on True Crime garage if
you do have information and you are willing to come forward in any case at all if you call Crim Stoppers it's
Anonymous to the point where you cannot even leave your name or any of your information they do not want it so if
you want to be contacted if you want to be involved if you think that there's more help that you can provide at a
later date a later time call the police department and make sure that you give the tip to them directly ask to speak
with the detective involved the Sarasota Police Department in this case is the investigating agency their number is 941
366 8000 I'm sure if you really wanted to leave your your information you'd be able to figure it out well good good
luck I mean I've I've contacted Crim Stoppers in the past and I've insisted on leaving my information and they they
will not take uh personal information no it's sad and uh 2021 cleaning house that's what we be doing if you're
listening to a show and you and and individuals take a 14-year-old and kill him and dispose of his body
because he witnessed the murder another murder so they murder him to cover up that murder we'll call those individuals
whatever the [ __ ] we want to well and there's there's rumor too in some suggestion that they may have even held
jabz for a period of time before before the homicide and before disposing of of the the body I I just I'm so tired you
can't you just called them thugs well the captain probably called them pieces of [ __ ] too and and we won't get emails
about that but we get some silly emails sometimes and you just think they killed
a 14-year-old boy anded what label we give them you're worried about what label we gave the
murderers interesting yeah that's where I say focus on the victims focus on the crime and let's uh let's do our part to
help rather than just be speed bumps along the away but that was jaz's case and we covered that back in January of
2020 interesting case it was one that that of course that we're passionate about and that's why it's on my list but
also interesting from the perspective of yet another case where we worked with the private investigator this is an
interesting case where the the the private investigator usually they work with the family with family members of
victims in this case they worked for basically the community they worked with the family obviously but they worked
with law enforcement and worked with the community as a whole and one thing that
we were really pounding our fist on the table when we when we covered jaz's case
is that is what this case is it's a crime against that Community against that family against jabz of course but
in this case very very much a crime against the community as a whole all right my number three is a series we did
called Shaker Heights again pat on the back because it was a excellent theme song excellent and
if people don't know uh go back and listen uh to that theme and and listen for the Shaker the
Shaker that's the best part the rump sha listen for the rump Shaka I think it's because it was different I think the
case is very fascinating obviously it's not solved in some people's eyes solved in other people's eyes but I think it
was just working with with everybody from uh Bob Ruff to Tim from the missing Mara Murray working with Maggie James
rener a bunch of other True Crime people just to try something different we had the transcripts of these interviews that
took place and we tried to lay out the story in a different manner than we normally do and also just let the
transcripts speak for themselves we didn't go hey this is what we think you should think U which a lot of people at
the end went wait wait a second I'm used to you telling me what you think you forgot to do this in that
Series so um some people have people have requested you know that we cover the case our typical way our normal form
but I think it was just I mean it was a very long process between recording the other people and then editing those all
together and tweaking everybody's vocals to try to make them sound similar to little sound effects if if you listen
closely you'll hear like fax machines and stuff going off in the background during uh some of the interviews or the
interrogation so if just kind of a different project and it was definitely a different project it was kind of like
a I mean it was a radio drama of how a case a real life case unfolded and one thing that I think is
unique and we'll take everybody behind the curtain here for a little bit but obviously it was it was fun for us
because we got to work with a lot of the friends that we've made along the way in
our true crime podcasting Adventure here but we started working on that that show
the actual production of Shaker Heights which was six episodes that came out in February but we started working on that
in our free time in our extra time after already working on our each case week after week in October of 2019 so it was
very much a long process for the colonel and the captain but it was fun along the
way and it was um we had to have a little party a little Twan garage party when it was finally completed because it
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the good time let the good times roll let the good times roll let the good times roll in 2020 cheers to you Captain
cheers from I'm a whole County away we are playing it safe that's how you you social distance you you stay counties
counties away minimum 15 we're both wearing our mask minimum of 15 miles apart in all
directions from anybody who's living and breathing that goes for our furry friends as well so long distance cheers
to you my friend number two we are just blazing right through our list blazing through all of 2020 burning that bridge
right that gives us number two on the Colonel's list I went with the Evans Dale murders this was episodes
330 I'm sorry 393 and 394 back in April this was the case of cousins lyric cook 10 years old and Elizabeth Collins
eight years old they were riding their bikes on a Friday afternoon in July of 2012 their
grandmother is believed to be the last one or one of the last people to have seen the young girls on that day and
this would have been around 12:20 p.m. in the afternoon they went off riding their bikes near Meyers Lake in
Evansdale Iowa where they they were seen for the last time 5 months later their bodies were recovered at Seven Bridges
Park 25 miles away from the abduction site and to this day the killer their killer or Killers remain at large this
made it on to my list Captain because it had all of the elements that I think it
takes to one cover a case in its most thorough in our most thorough ability but also a case that has enough meat on
the bone that that you can you can start to formulate theories and suspects and speculation in your own mind this is a
perfect armchair detective case we we laid out the mapping of where they would have been at the abduction time we also
laid out possibilities of who could be in involved or the type of person that would be involved or who had the ability
to abduct two girls at that time of day in that area and we went through the offender profile of the of the believed
offender and so this is a case that again still unsolved after we covered it you know we
covered it in April don't know if we got to this on off the Record or not for those of you unfamiliar with off the
Record if there's an update on a case if if we get some new information on a case
that's generally where we put that new information so one one thing that I when I first got into True Crime be it on TV
or podcast one thing that I didn't like is rarely not most shows did never they never went and Revisited a case even
years after the fact and when when the captain and I said we were going to do True Crime we saidou know what we're
going to cover these cases we're going to try to go more in depth than most shows and we're going to try to bring
you some tidbit of information that you may not hear anywhere else but it's true
and factual and it's important to the case but we're going to take it a step further and when we have new information
we're going to make sure that we bring it back to the audience and remind them hey this case is still unsolved but
here's a little new nugget that just came out be it from the area the media or law enforcement themselves after we
covered it and I don't I'm not there's no belief that it's because we covered it but it doesn't hurt that we helped
shine a light on this unsolved case double homicide that in July of 2020 they were interviewing family about the
case and this is uplifting to hear one of the family members said I think that it will be solved soon now of course
we're sitting here five months later and we know that it is yet to be solved but
that should still be uplifting and optimistic for everybody out there because a lot of times in some of these
cases we hear family members or people in the community going yeah I don't think the police have a clue or yeah I
think they stopped working this case I can't believe they haven't solved it that's not what they're saying here in
this Evansdale case we have positive thinking we have positive uh response and saying I think it will be solved
soon I'm hoping it will be it was interesting too because so many people have tied this case I don't know if
they're connected or not but we did certainly talk about the possibility a lot of people have tied this case
because it has some similarities to the deli murders case so it was it was perfect and we didn't really plan this
out genius as people think we might be or geni or as dumb as people think we might be um I don't think we planned
this out but it was It was kind of perfect that we followed up the Evansdale murders our coverage of their
case the following week we did the deli murders discussion episode uh because there was a lot of rumors and stuff in
the deli case and a quick little reminder for again Evansdale case anyone with information still unsolved you can
email our missing girls at dps.com it's not easy to put these lists together right it's not easy to take a
look back on a whole year and just narrow it down to five shows I thought the the Leo Kenny case was very
fascinating I thought our interview with Bob Ruff about West Memphis 3 was really
good but also I think it sometimes for us when when it's looking back it could be as simple as well I I
like the work I did on that show our list would be very skewed compared to a listener list yeah yeah the listener
list well that's why people can hop on the blog and type up your your favorite five for the year so we can there's like
thousands of people right now going this is the dumbest list of 2020 I've ever heard the stick around it's about get D
this is not this this is my top and you know what who cares this is this is my list and you got your list and I I'm not
going to lie to you Captain I was beating myself up pretty bad I was like I was going through all of 2020 trying
to make the hard decisions trying to narrow it down to five but then I had to remind myself I'm like you know what
this is just my list the captain is going to have his own list and I was actually hoping that you would have
different cases than what I had so that it would it automatically expands it to 10 for for all of us so so far uh
without comparison we we did not sit down in advance and compare list here we I have no idea what the captain's going
to say as usual um so so far we've we've not hit on any of the same cases what was your no bumpy bumpy
flicky flick what was your number two Captain number two and this is um this is the moment when I realized last night
when I was going over to my list and double-checking it is I I think I I used to say I didn't care so much for Gore I
don't think that's true anymore and I don't know if that's I maybe that's how it's always been it's never really
bothered me to talk about like somebody could talk about a severed head and I I go okay there and I think it's because I
don't picture it I'm just in the conversation so I think some people when they start talking about his hand was
cut off or whatever I don't picture it so it doesn't bother me so much where other people will hear graphic natured
cases and uh it turns them off and and some people can't listen to that and I respect that if that's not your thing so
number two is the ice box murders episode 443 and 444 those are recent episodes that we just did but it it's
very graphic but there's also a lot of twists and turns yes it's a fascinating case and again it's another one of those
cases where it's technically unsolved but police are pretty certain who they believe did the double homicide
and then fled the area afterward but yeah it's a it's a fascinating case and some people have really put forward some
interesting theories and speculation in that case which leads you to some other Mysteries um Big Time Mysteries we
should well and I think this is the one where you were saying if if somebody's eating and it's like look if you turned
on a True Crime podcast while you're eating that's on you right you made that decision I can't
put that on anymore we've done 400 and some episodes you kind of know what you're going to get so if you if you got
that turkey on rye put it into your mouth don't blame me yes my number one is and this is simply because one I
think the episodes themselves were were good and great and put together very well the storytelling Pat myself on the
back I thought I did a great job Captain was fantastic but more so it's about the
mystery this is a big- Time Mystery for me this is one that keeps me up at night
and when we dove into this case I couldn't shake it for weeks and weeks and weeks I'm talking about the Lo cruus
bowling alley Massacre which occurred in Los cruus New Mexico on February 10th of
1990 seven people were shot four were shot fatally by two unidentified robbers at the Los cruus bowling alley which is
on East Amador Avenue after they shot the victims robbed the place they set the building on fire well attempted to
burn down the entire building but started the fire in the office where they shot the victims prior to the two
robbers leaving the building now these guys were spotted by several people so we have a good description of of what
the the offenders what the murders look like but here we are 30 years later and it's still unsolved now this was a case
that we covered in it was on June 30th and July 1st and it was episode 4 49 and 410 Unsolved Mysteries and I'm talking
not the Netflix version I'm talking the original version with with the the king of True Crime TV Robert Stack you know
they covered this case way back when and what was very interesting was they covered it a in a very short four or
five minute segment and it was simply because the case had just happened in February and I think they released it
like April the the first week of April of that same year and it was really just Unsolved Mysteries was a Big Show at the
time lots of ratings reaching out to everyone across the United States and even Beyond and they were really just
trying to find the individuals that did this so Unsolved Mysteries put together a short segment about the crimes
themselves and as as cheesy as some of those reenactments can be on different shows and they were a little cheesy on
the Unsolved Mysteries one it was still horrific to watch I mean it was it this was a case that just shook me to the
core and so for that reason and many other reasons that's why it's my number one but I was thinking about this after
I put my list together and we talk about Unsolved Mysteries Netflix has done two
seasons I need to get caught up Captain I haven't watched any of the I think it might be like a season and a half okay I
don't know if I haven't got to technically two yeah I haven't got to summon what they're calling the volume
two I guess I haven't got to some of the stories yet in volume two but I think that this would be a fascinating case
for Unsolved Mysteries Netflix to cover like like I said Unsolved Mysteries covered this in just a short four or
five minute segment back in the day this is a case that you could do long form they could do one of their 45 minute or
hour long segments on this case there are some very interesting theories and speculation as said the offenders were
seen by several people well this is also not a hugely popular case and what's been good about the new Unsolved
Mysteries is they've been covering cases that haven't been covered a hundred times by other sources that's correct so
for them to go back to uh something that they tried to shine light on so many years ago and then to revisit it again a
cas that's not brought up by a hundred different sources yeah so my number one for 2020 I'm going to go with Los cruus
bowling alley Massacre yeah a lot of people in that case uh a lot of people from that area wrote into us to let us
know some different local theories and a lot of people believe that the owner got
into some he was kind of like famously known for gambling so the community I think kind of just chocked it up to the
idea that well this guy was a massive Gambler and he probably didn't pay somebody and this is their revenge or
the drugs were at the heart of it we had the weird situation where the owner the
bowling alley owner's son was involved with some shady characters and involved with drugs himself so there's some very
interesting theories very plausible theories as well one thing we did and one thing that I was pretty proud of in
our coverage of Los Cruz's Bowl was I I can't say that we definitively linked the bowling alley Massacre to another
crime but we linked it to another crime that there's a lot of similarities and there's a lot of Reason to Believe
whoever committed this previous crime was involved in in the later crime at the Los cruus Bowl yeah I think it's
interesting with these towns where a big crime takes place like the Pike County murders we we're pretty close to
Adam's County and a lot of my friends that lived down there and I I used to work down there but it's interesting to
have such a horrific crime happen and that the the community around the crime comes up with multiple possible
solutions or possible I guess the way possible storylines of of why it played out uh the way it did and how it
played out the way it did and then they can almost move on but until they do that cuz like I said a lot of friends
from that area I had PE friends that could not stop talking about it but once they came up with their own Theory it
was like old news to them MH then obviously later the truth comes out and it was none of the theories that they
were bringing to my attention but it's almost like they had to be able to wrap their head around it before they
could move on with their own lives and I think that's what I saw by getting so many emails the the emails that we got
from the local people were fascinating because there's also theories on where these two individuals may have gone
after committing this crime because we have the descriptions of them their faces were plastered everywhere in that
area so it's very hard to believe that they would be able to stick around and remain in the area and then still go
undetected all right best of 2020 let's go over the list real quick how about you go over yours real quick
okay so mine were in order from from five down to one number five mind Hunter John Douglas episodes 445 and 446 Taylor
Robinson is my number four from June of 2020 episode 4 406 and 407 jabz span from January episodes 366 and
367 and then at number two I had the Evansdale murders this is the double homicide we covered it in April episode
393 394 and my number one was the Los cruus bowling alley Massacre from episodes 409
and 410 all right number five for me was high-f five murders episode 402 and 403 number four was Mara Murray
interview with Julie Murray episode 368 and 369 number three Shaker Heights series I don't know what that is off the
top of my head I know we did we put that out in February if you just go and search Shaker Heights True Crime garage
it pops up number two the ice box Murders episodes 4 443 and 444 number one and this is how I know
it's number one of best of 2020 best of 2020 I have M Hunter so it's the only episode that repeats on our top
five list yes it's number five for you it's number one for me but because there's a crossover that means it's
number one there we go it's settled T20 but for me because I wasn't even really a part of the episode I mean I did the
intros and the outros and I probably read the the commercials or whatever I got a nice email the guy said you're
really good when you just read the commercials you dumb dumb I he goes no no I got another one that says I really
like when you sit there and you shut your mouth and then you read the commercials you dumb Dum I was like oh I
love you too haters is going to hate but yeah mind Hunter and I think because one
I had to edit the interview and so normally you start cutting out the US and the you know
weird noises that people make and John makes a lot of them but cuz there's so much information in his head that he's
sifting through and I think I edited like two or three minutes and then I went back and listened to it and it made
absolutely no sense and all I was editing out was us and uh you know noises really so then I just went he this
doesn't make any sense I just have to kind of keep it the way it is but what I thought was so cool being a part of the
show and and starting the show years ago in your garage and and sweating and sweat dripping on notes I remember one
time looking down at my notes but I couldn't read them cuz the sweat made the ink smear everywhere the old hot
garage but I think uh with all this time passing and so many years of doing this
show there's multiple times in the episode again where John Douglas is sifting through tons of information
thousands and thousands of cases he's covered or read about or just maybe had to talk about in an interview and
sometimes when he gets stuck on a name he would defer to you Nick what's the guy's
name and again something so small but by like the third time he did it you realize well this guy is um having a
conversation with the crispiest of the colonels he's having a conversation eye to eye if that makes any sense and he
was deferring to you and to think about where we started and the the hours that we have spent talking about crime to
hear somebody like John Douglas basically talking to you as if you guys were equals it was neat to experience it
was almost like watching your buddy go take batting practice at like wriggly field or something and and hit in a home
run or something while why they're doing a batting practice and maybe I enjoyed it too because I wasn't on the episode
well I think some things that were so great about just that conversation with John first off I did have somebody
approach me and they said um John Douglas that that guy yeah he's fascinating but he he says uh uh uh a
lot and I I said I had to inform the person they said well you do understand Mr Douglas is not a TV personality he's
not someone who spent his life studying broadcasting or someone who is on TV week after week he's a real life FBI
agent who's now retired and he's willing to talk about his career and cases that
he has actually worked and so when you hear those us I liken it to you know when we were little kids Captain people
had these encyclopedia britanica where you had volume after volume and if you looked at it on a bookshelf it usually
took up the entire shelf and you would have a a volume for a all the way through to Z and then there was a a book
full of maps and and geography and other things so we're talking 30 books big in
the collection and it covered darn near everything you could think of I think of
John Douglas as a walking real life crime iny cedia and those you are hearing that's him
mentally verbally flipping through the pages in his mind of cases that he's worked and you have to keep in mind too
there's probably a lot of stuff along the way that he's not allowed to talk about but he witnessed it he saw it he
experienced it he worked it and he has to remind himself when he goes through some of those cases of the things he can
and cannot say so that's him kind of sifting it out in real life in real time yeah John Douglas is has square and he
smells better better than old books but yeah he's kind of like a walking encyclopedia my my family was so poor
that you would have to make payments so we had a and b but we never got past that so it we had encyclopedia a and
then B and then we stopped making the payments and so every time uh we had to do a report I tried to pick a subject
that was a or b yeah well in so if you have any questions and the the question involves anything that starts with the
letter A or B Captain is your go-to guy anything after that forget about it forget about it I'm I'm a walking two
book Encyclopedia set well and the other thing I want to the other thing I want to point out too with with that
interview with with John Douglas that maybe well not maybe but people wouldn't know this we did not supply him any
questions in advance he he didn't yeah this is off the top yeah he didn't ask for any questions in advance some
sometimes the interviews we do they want questions in advance or they say this is
the topic and the only topic that we can talk about no when we talked to John Douglas this last time he said ask me
anything about anything so he walked into that completely blind completely unprepared to know what questions we
were going to talk about what cases we were going to talk about and just fascinating the the answers that he
supplied to to us and the listeners out there but yeah good list I want to thank
everybody for supporting us this year and look sometimes we make mistakes during the episodes sometimes we're not
on our game right and and I don't mind when people call us out for that I don't mind people sending emails saying hey
you said this and and that term is bad towards this group of individuals right I don't have any I don't have any
problem with people pointing out areas where I can learn and to grow and I think that's one of the reasons why
we've been doing this so many years is I feel like we continue to grow and we continue to get better
we're always trying to fight the good fight for the victims of the case yeah bringing awareness to unsolved cases and
keeping these stories alive and keeping them in the in the thoughts of everyone out there and you can do your part by
like the captain says not just listening but telling a friend telling someone else hey maybe it's not telling them hey
I love the garage hey I love True Crime garage check out this show but maybe it's hey did you know this un Sol murder
or this cold case took place here in in our state or our hometown and it was years ago that that helps as well
keeping the cases alive that's what we're hoping to do and bring a little bit of an entertainment along the way so
your list Captain fascinating my list even better but um go to True Crim garage.com let us know what your
favorite show of 2020 was for [Applause] you thank you guys so much for listening
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Brief Summary

Nick and Captain discuss their top five True Crime episodes from 2020, highlighting notable cases and interviews.

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True Crime Garage's Best of 2020. The hosts discuss their favorite episodes from the past year, reflecting on memorable cases.
The Hi-Fi Murders: A Horrific Crime. Exploring the brutal Hi-Fi murders and the thorough investigation that followed.
Taylor Robinson's Tragic Case. A deep dive into the unsolved case of Taylor Robinson, a kind-hearted student.
Jabz Span: A Heartbreaking Story. The tragic case of Jabz Span, a 14-year-old whose remains were found years later.
The Evansdale Murders. A chilling case of two young girls who went missing while riding their bikes, with their bodies found months later. The killer remains at large, making it a haunting unsolved mystery.
The Los Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre. A tragic event where seven people were shot, leaving the community in shock and the case unsolved for over 30 years. Theories abound about the motives behind the crime.

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