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[Applause] [Music] crime all right today we are talking about the best of all time that's right the best
of all time for True Crime garage the captain's favorite shows the Colonel's favorite shows hopefully they're your
favorite shows as well we're gonna have a little a little party so let the uh drinks flow my friends let the good
times roll there say yeah a little bonus show for everybody for the Christmas and
holiday break but I wanted to say something real quick before we get to the parte I just something that irritated me
just a little bit and I just thought what's this world coming to and then it kind of corrected itself and all so here
here it is time Life Magazine put uh Biden and Harris as the person of the year again this is not a political statement
so don't get this Twisted that's fine if you think they're the person of the year
and but this bothered me because in this time of this pandemic there's been so many other people that have been very
important to this pandemic and what everybody's been going through and dealing with in
2020 but when I went to go rant about this I went to Time Life magazine and and if you go to the readers
poll the readers said that they would have voted for essential workers nurses doctors delivery people grocery store
employees those have been the real heroes of 2020 and I'll go a little step further anybody that's had to work from
home that had to struggle with with that anybody that had to work from home and had to also step up and be the teacher
for your par uh for your kids all the small business owners that have been suffering through this time and some
people have lost their business those all those people that I just named have been the real
heroes of 2020 and that give me hope in 2021 so that's my little rant not to bring down the party now
it's time to party but to all those people I cheers you and we see you here in the garage we see you and we love
you see you R over cracking of the beer sounds delicious all right we are here to talk
about our top five each the Colonel's top five the captain's top five for alltime True Crime garage shows I'm
going to throw out a couple of honorable mentions ones that certainly crossed my
mind basically because of one very simple fact is that several cases that we've covered over the years we've
actually been asked by law enforcement hey would you take a look at this case would you cover it on your show because
we know that the garage reaches a lot of ears and we need some help so a couple of shout outs on some of those cases
they were cases as follows the Invisible Man we were asked by the sheriff's department in Indiana to help them
locate an individual that they believe to have been committed several crimes and been on the Run stealing identities
and such Sherice Bingham Walker the murdered wife who was murdered in a park in the Indiana State Police asked us if
we would cover that case Taylor Robinson from Northeast Ohio Tyler Davis now we weren't necessarily asked by law
enforcement to cover that case Tyler Davis went missing from the Greater Columbus area and what happened was the
captain jumped into action and reached out to his wife who was with him the night that he went missing and said hey
would you would you talk to me on the phone or would you want to do an interview for the show and then he
covered his bases by checking with local law enforcement talking to them about the night that Tyler went missing and
and saying hey should I do this and of course law enforcement said yes we we want to hear what she has to say and
then of course the Barbara blatnik case which was one that we covered in July of
2019 that one is on my honorable mentions simply because it's a case that the porch light project helped uh to
solve and I I had said when we started this little garage Adventure over five years ago that you know what one day I
hope to solve a case and and I and I heard some Chuckles in the room when I said that and I understand it was maybe
something cheesy or just wishful thinking but in a way the garage has helped several cases we've been we've
been lucky because we've covered some cases that were unsolved at the time and later were solved some soon after and
the captain and I both believe that if you throw some good energy out into the universe sometimes it boomerangs back
and and good things happen so in all fairness we're chuckling at you cuz you're naked running around in the
garage sweating saying I'm going to solve every case and so that's why we were chuckling we weren't chuckling at
you solving cases we're chuckling at your PP none none of that is true or maybe it is okay you'll never
know Captain had a r Colonel had a ramp who goes first Captain you or I you go first okay I I just want to start off by
saying I had to redo my list this is the second list I did because I went back to the
beginning and I think because of like Nostalgia and stuff my top five was like all the cases were like within our first
100 episodes and then I thought well I hear every day that our show gets better and
better so that probably means some of the shows from back in the day were awful which is
totally fine but I think it was like a Nostalgia thing that I was like oh I remember that I remember the good times
so I had those on the list and then eventually I was like wait all these are within the first hundred shows I need to
this can't be right so then I went back and did the list correctly so mine is the best list of all time yours it's all
right your list is okay well one of my favorite things one of my favorite emails that we get is from people that
say Hey I've been listening since the very beginning so those people I love I just want to wrap them up with both arms
and give them a a a big bare hug sit down and drink a couple beers with them and talk some true crime but the thing
that they always say you guys have come a long way you I I enjoyed you in the beginning I've been there since the
beginning but you guys have gotten much better at what you do so we appreciate the the U the pat on the back and the
kind words and the encouragement it's because of all of you out there all of our awesome garage Army friends that
that keep the show going so wait but the funny thing is longtime listeners it's been so long since they heard those
early episodes they kind of forgot it's the ones that go I just found your show a month ago I love it and now I'm going
back to the beginning and I go please don't you might not make it back cherry pick
cherry pick along the way maybe cherry pick using our suggestions from this show right here from our little yeah
countdown so my number five Captain I went with the Colonial Parkway murders we covered this case in July of 2018 in
episodes 226 and 227 this made my top five for a multitude of reasons one that the case
itself is a fascinating case it's it's one of my one of my favorite uh cases as far as unsolved serial cases go it's one
that you would deem a redl case you know the captain came up with red light cases
cases that pop into your mind randomly or if you pull up and you get stopped in traffic and you're you're sitting at a
red light a case that pops up in your mind well the Colonial Parkway murders certainly is a red light case for me and
it's one that that is so fitting to be a red light case because it's the slangs of at least eight people by a serial
killer or Killers along the Colonial Parkway in in Virginia IAL jeez there's there's my assistant
right there she there you go hey yeah nobody asked you yeah why don't you shut your mouth when
you're talking to me so these cases go back to 1986 and went through 1989 and again I think these cases are
very solvable and that's part of the reason that the mystery intrigues me so much but what was interesting in putting
together these cases and putting together the shows was I got the opportunity to speak with Bill Thomas
who is the brother of one of the victims Kathy Thomas she's one of the first victims of of the eight and it was
intriguing to speak with him and to hear all of the behind the scenes information
that he has learned over the years he's worked with local law enforcement he's worked with with the
FBI his family and the other fam have been very very involved in these cases and again I think that they are solvable
in fact bill and I set out to do a interview show and he and I hit it off so well we spoke for about four hours
and just going round and round about all kinds of different cases but mainly the
Colonial Parkway murders and by the end of it I told the captain I said unfortunately it was a brilliant
conversation so fascinating Bill's such an interesting guy and he knows so much about the case I said we can't use this
for an interview show because several times he said you you can't you can't say this on the show you can't tell
anybody this this is information we're not allowed to release to the public and there were things along the way I was
telling him bill this is stuff that uh you know what I'm about to tell you I'm not supposed to be telling you know I
can't use it on the show either and by the end of it thought I got so turned around I couldn't figure out what we
were allowed to use and what we could not or what we could use so bill is a fascinating guy he continues to work on
this case the case is fascinating itself the Colonial Parkway murders again I think it could be solved I think it
could be solved very soon and it's a case that we covered in episodes 226 and 227 well and like you said you're
talking to Bill not just the brother of a victim but a lot of the family members
of victims become experts in the case themselves so that's really been an honor in the last five or six years of
doing the show how many family members we've met from cases and how knowledgeable they have been and also
how supportive they've been of the True Crime podcast world and really supportive on what we're trying to do to
shed light on the cases that's been such an honor to be a part of the last few years well in in this case in
particular bill is is what I would call the expert in the Colonial Parkway murders because because the murders
happened in in several different jurisdictions there were three or four different agencies that were involved in
the investigation of these crimes and I say three or four because there are a couple of other murders that are
suspected to be linked but have never been 100% confirmed to be linked to these other murders so because you have
different investigating agencies Bill Thomas has become the expert he almost knows more than law enforcement because
he has a good working knowledge of all of the cases where the agencies that have worked uh this Colonial Parkway
case they've only W worked their specific case not all so bill is is the encyclopedia for the
Colonial Parkway murders and and regardless you know he's still heartbroken over the death of his sister
and he's heartbroken that he couldn't get answers for his parents in that regard but but also
Bill's a fascinating brilliant person in his in his own right away from the case
so it was like you said it's um it's been an honor to meet a lot of these people along the way number five from
the captain Amy mahalic episode number 22 and how this episode went down was we had James rener true crime author come
down we went to a studio that I used to work at I used to intern at a music studio we decided to do the interview
there we started off by doing an interview and a Roundtable discussion about Mara Murray's case and then you
and James continued to have an interview about Amy mic's case I went into the next room we turned down once we knew
you guys were working uh we just hit record turned the volume down I caught up with my old boss and other interns I
worked with cuz I knew I had to edit the episode later so then they send me the file I edit the episode but during the
editing process I thought wow this is a wow this is a powerful episode so much so that once I was done editing it and I
uploaded it to our podcast feed I went and hit play on my podcast app and listened to the whole thing again um in
its you know obviously better edited form it was really fascinating to me and I think it really showed
the I think the passion you had for True Crime in general but but the passion that you had for the Amy mahalic case
and also Renard's passion for True Crime and Renard's passion for Amy mahalic case and I and I remember thinking that
that's important because when we started doing this we didn't know where it was going
to go or you know how how involved I would be in the actual show or would I just be sitting on the sideline and
hitting record but but I think this was kind of a wakeup moment early on where I
said look people are very passionate about these cases and I need to take uh the production side just as serious the
making of the music just as serious and and and also the research just as serious as any other individual would I
would like to give a shout out to our Buddy Joe who who is the owner of that recording studio one it's a it's a
wonderful Studio they are doing Gang Busters work over there but while we were recording in between breaks I got
to see Joe and I hadn't seen him in years and of course the captain is is uh good friends with Joe and Joe was
forgive me if I'm speaking out a turn here but I would say one of your mentors back in the day or at least someone who
taught you some of the old uh industry tricks that he has experienced and and learned along the way but yeah he never
taught me any tricks but he kept me alive for several years uh by feeding me so yeah Joe V's Studio it's in a little
town outside of Columbus called Grove City uh the studio is called Sonic Lounge he's produced people like uh Boba
Flex 21 pilots and uh many other bands he's a amazing engineer and producer so if you're looking for somebody to work
with uh check out lounge and producer Joe V tell him the captain sent you now a shout out to Joe that I wanted to say
here is um during the break I had mentioned to him I said Joe you know growing up in the area back in the the
late 90s one of my favorite local bands was the band that Joe was in digital black and I was just you know throwing
an old by the way here's an adab boy For You Joe I I loved your band digital black during the day back in the day me
and my buddies would go up to the AL Rosa or to Polaris Amphitheater different places and we saw Joe's band
play several times and the next time I saw the captain Joe had gave a couple of digital black uh CDs for for Nick and I
jammed it out rocked it out in my car for for several weeks so big shout out to gave me CDs and I said what are these
these like how are how is he going to play these what do you do with this how does this go into your
phone so yeah that was not my number five well that's a perfect segue because my number four is the Amy mahalic case
as well and as you pointed out we covered that in episode 22 where I sat down with James rener who wrote the only
book that I'm aware of for Amy's case Amy my search for her Killer by James rener that was episode 22 we did that in
March of 2016 it's been a it's been a minute as they say but we also covered her case in episodes 308 309 and then
again in 345 and 346 really what you get with the 308 and 309 episodes is a much more extended
version of the interview we did with James rener it tells it fills in a lot of the blanks that we just didn't have
time to get to in episode 2 and then episodes 345 and 346 we go through some of the suspects and by name and why they
are suspects and how they became how they got onto the radar in Amy mahalo's case I think we went through five
suspects in those two episodes and there are certainly some others that we can get to and maybe we'll get back to Amy's
case at some point for those of you who are not aware she was a 10-year-old victim who was abducted from the Bay
Village Square Shopping Plaza back in 1989 and she was missing for a couple of months before her body was found about
50 miles away I think the FBI website says 48.7 miles away from the shopping plaza
but she was found in a field in Ashland County Ohio and the case remains unsolved to this day it's one that we've
said all along we think it it is solvable we think that they will solve it someday it's just a matter of time
yeah but In fairness you say that about every case I don't know I don't know that I say that about every case um I
her say it a lot her case is depressing to me because there are certainly days in certainly time periods where I've
gone in and out of this case and walked away at times going I don't think they'll ever solve it so it's one that I
hope and pray that they do but uh yeah it's a very interesting case uh it's unique for several reasons and it's one
that's I feel like it's really grown in popularity as far as the True Crime Community goes over the last few years
it was certainly uh on the national level back in 89 and 90 when the case first broke partly because it's it's
always kind of been tied to the Jacob wling case just because those two victims both went missing within a week
of one another from two different states and at the time people is there any chance that these are
connected because they were roughly the same age but yeah Amy mahalic I I share your feelings there Captain I I think we
did uh really good stuff on the on the Amy episodes all right number four coming that from the
captain Miss Elizabeth um BTK this would be a series that we did episode 204 to episode 207
and I really just think as far as like serial killer profiles it was very extensive this is one as far as research
goes you know I listen to several other shows I watched some documentaries I even I think one book
maybe two books but what was fascinating to me as we were creating the episodes for everybody
was after all that research and thinking I'm I'm an expert on this case I learned
something every episode and so I I really that's a tip of the hat to you where I went okay well the colonel beat
me again but uh I thought it was fascinating profile of really a a monster of an individual well I never
look at it as a a competition because I would come up short every time the music
you do every week that's what she said that's right that is what she said and and reminds me every day but um the
music that you do for each and every episode is fantastic so of course I would come up short but yeah BTK was was
fascinating stuff really good episodes and I thought we did a great job of laying everything out and really telling
the full story as much of it as we possibly could and it was I'm not going to lie it was a little heavy a little
heavy on the heart a little heavy on the emotions to live in BTK world for a week
or two yeah two weeks yeah it's something that we've always looked into throughout the years even before we
started the show I mean you BTK is you know like Jeffrey dmer Charles Manson Ted Bundy there's these there's these
names there's these P's that um are just known to everybody so of course we we knew a good deal
about him but it was it was interesting to dive into BTK world for a couple weeks but it was also heavy on the heart
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cheers to the people up front cheers to the people in the back big shout out to the people what's funny about this list
is we we we also took a look at other True Crime shows and we we're going to let their episodes you know be a part of
this best of all time podcast but what we found was we were better than everybody and so we wanted all the
trophies it's basically like we're giving oursel uh like an award show like the Oscars or the Grammys but only we
get a win and we get to give the speeches every time thank you I'd like to thank my mother and my father
and so many other people and then the music starts playing right all right so I think we're to number three number
three on my list here Captain I have the deli murders this is the unsolved homicide of Abigail Williams in Liberty
German from February 14th of 2017 this was an interesting undertaking for the garage for the captain and
myself because this was one of the cases and one of the first times that we decided to tackle a case that was
relatively new you know this case fortunately went down in February mid-February of
2017 and here we were in the garage I think the the first week of May covering it for the first time a lot of people
had not covered the case had not touched it and if you saw anything on this case
it was not more than a nine or 10 minute clip regarding what little information was out there at the time and still to
this day little information out there because the police the law enforcement are holding so much back but as I said
we first covered this in May of 2017 in episodes 110 and 111 but we Revisited this case several times throughout the
years um in July of 2019 in episodes 320 all the way through 323 we did four episodes in a row in
209 and then we had our discussion Show episode 395 so this is a case that is always on the garage radar it's it's
always on the radar for our listeners for our garage Army out there and it's certainly on the radar of the captain
and the colonel this is a case that there's probably I would say 10 or 12 cases captain that we seem to talk about
a lot off mic and this is a case that's creeped onto our other show off the Record several times and I think that
this is a case until it Sol d i here's what I look forward to I can't wait for the day that we can let's get a 12pack
really ice cold and and do a great show on the when they solve it when they I don't think of the 12pack is going to
help with that great show when they solve this case I want you and I to be sitting in the garage talking about it
and and telling all the details that hopefully will come out once they finally solve this case and to to tell
you what this case means to me a little Peak behind the curtain here I am a subscriber to the Carol County's weekly
newspaper I have it delivered all the way to my house here on Ohio every week I get their newspaper because I'm
looking at the pictures in that newspaper looking for bridge guy every week from the garage hoping to find this
POS no but yeah no it's a good one because it's at the time people weren't really
talking about it but I remember the NFL was putting up Billboards all over the country and so we kind of felt like well
it's our duty to do a show not that we we're going to cover it the best but we can cover it the best we can and we can
get people talking about it and I had I ended up meeting several people that worked the case and they were saying
from the little coverage that they're getting through the news and by us covering it and the NFL's work
by getting these Billboards put up that they were able to arrest over 200 pedophiles that weren't registered and
so that made me feel like our our show was doing something positive in the world so my number
three is Brandon Lawson 911 tape episode 85 and 886 and it simply everybody when you
look at the case the 911 call is very important so I think one other people covered this case and we thought how can
we do it differently okay well we can break down this call and I know that several people that have in several uh
crime experts that have started to look into the case have reached out and said hey I've listened to your episode why
when you guys are dissecting when you guys are dissecting the 911 call and they've used it because they didn't have
the tool to to slow down things or to uh speed them up or to to try to clean up any of the 911 calls so they've been
able to use our episodes almost as a investigative tool for them as they start looking into this
case for those unfamiliar with that case this is another case where at the time very little information out there so
when we talk about Brandon going missing and the events leading up to the time that he went missing
we're talking about that for just 15 20 minutes of an episode and then we spend an hour and 45 minutes or so just
dissecting Brandon's 911 call because he calls into 911 that night and he's hurried he's out of breath it's hard
to decipher what he is saying at times and so many people have looked at that case and said if we could just figure
out what Brandon was saying we might be able to figure out what happened to this
young man and so yes it was it was an interesting undertaking and an interesting angle to take with that case
we had heard so many people say that we said you know what let's turn on the mics let's lock ourselves in the garage
and let's just dissect this 911 call and see if we can figure out what it is that
Brandon was saying and maybe they can figure out what happened to this young well I think like I said the idea too is
is bringing something new and different to the investigation or to the True Crime World itself I I wish
um I wish more people would do stuff like that and instead just you know knowing that a case has been
covered 500 times by other shows you know are you bringing something extra to the table or something different to the
table um and I think if we if we viewed cases like that more often um in in in your opinion it can be
something new but I think if people did that more often we might be further along in some of the investigations of
these cases number two for me Captain is and I've been told by many people that this is some of our best work it's the
boys on the tracks which was a four-part series that we did back in March and April of 2017 episodes 93 94 95 and 9
6 and the way that this came about was originally we were thinking we would just do two episodes on this case and
once we started getting into it once we got eyeballs deep into the case itself we quickly determined this has
got to be four parts there's just too much to tell there's too much to this story there's so much beneath the
surface and it kind of came about by I read a book by Mara l Mara Leverett is one of in my opinion
probably the most underrated true crime author of our time she wrote um the devil's not which is about the West
Memphis 3 case and she wrote the boys on the tracks she's not she does not have an extensive catalog of True Crime books
and that might be why she's not so wellard of or or well known or and is underrated in my opinion she's been a
longtime writer for Arkansas magazine and I believe that that takes up most of her time but if you get a chance read
any of her true crime books both of the two that we just mentioned are fantastic
really fascinating deep dives into both cases but when I first started reading the book The Boys on the tracks I
thought where do I know this because I kind of just randomly picked up the book I I knew her work from the devil's not
and I thought I want to read everything she she's wrote about I pick it up I'm reading it and I'm like where have I
this case seems familiar and then I remembered it was covered back in the day a long time ago
on Unsolved Mysteries in a episode that they titled friends till the end and this is the still unsolved and it's when
you listen to these episodes if you haven't already you're going to go how the hell
is this thing not solved but it's the unsolved murders of Don Henry and Kevin IES from back in the day
1987 in Bryant Arkansas and as I said I was very proud of the work that we did on these
episodes and it still it still brings a a big smile to the old Colonel's face today when when I still I still hear or
still get emails from people saying I tell everybody I know about your show I do what the captain says I
listen and I tell a friend and I always tell my friends start with boys on the tracks there it's a there's a really
good theme song that's right Pat myself on the back thank you for giving me the Grammy for boys on the tracks theme song
I appreciate it I'd like to thank your mother and I'd like to thank Frank and I'd like to
thank um alcohol yeah we don't think alcohol enough on the show okay so yeah um wait did I tell you
that's my number two too you just did okay there we go I I well you blabbed on for so long that I thought I
I already said oh yeah yeah that's my number two too so we can just move on to number one I'll keep it I'll keep it
brief going forward yeah we only have we only have one left uh yeah so number one number one of
all time all right before I get to my number one I'll do a quick little recap of my top five so far so for my best of
alltime True Crime garage number five the Colonial Parkway murders number four Amy mahalic case episodes number three
the deli double hom side and number two the legendary as I'm told that it's legendary stuff the boys on the tracks
so for my number one Captain I went with an oldie but a goodie this is the Austin
yogurt shop murders we covered this in February of 2017 in episodes 81 and 82 and they are
two jam-packed episodes I loved one the work that we did on it but two the the suspects that
we covered very thoroughly in those episodes for me it's one of the the biggest homicide Unsolved Mysteries it's
it's a red light case for me that's for certain 100% it's a fascinating case and I I
actually think that it's a case that could not get too much coverage I think that there you could we probably could
have done four or six episodes on the case itself it's that big it's that extensive the the Los crues bowling
alley Massacre actually reminds me a lot of of the yogurt shop case as well they
share some similarities there have been people throughout the years that thought
that maybe there's some link between the two but we went through a very interesting scenario in our coverage of
yogurt shop where we weren't able to really tell you the names of the people that we
believe that did it but we were able to kind of tell you through eyewitness accounts the who of it uh again not the
names but the individuals we believe to be most likely to be responsible for the
the homicides themselves the two guys that were seen at the yogurt shop that night I won't go into it too much if if
you want to dive into that I highly highly recommend it go back and check out the yogurt shop murders from
February of 2017 episodes 81 and 82 on your true crime garage dial yeah see I wonder if a
little bit of nostalgia but I know that is a case that you're very fascinated in
and and the truth is if you ask me tomorrow to name my top five it might be completely different so um or at least
rearranged a little bit but uh my number five is Amy mahalic which was also on your list episode
22 number four BTK series that's episodes 204 to 207 number three is Brandon Lawson 911 tape and that is
episodes 85 and 86 number two is the series the four-part series EP episodes 93 and 96 the boys on the tracks and
number one number one of all time for me uh so far I guess is uh the John Benet Ramsay series we did episodes 355 to
360 and when we're putting together these lists I started trying to think about you know what is it about this
case and and my my brain kind of popped something up into my head because we went over the best of
2020 2000 and then uh 2020 and then of all time and a lot of these cases like you take the deli murder
case that has really rocked that area and really changes the lives of of the locals right and you look at a case
like Aman mahalic and we've talked about it so many times and so then we get feedback I you know I used to know Amy
uh I grew up with her or I knew her brother or I knew her mother and they tell you how much it affected their
community and then same thing with like Brandon Lawson same thing with when you're talking to Mara Murray's family
they tell you how much you know her going missing has affected their lives and their
livelihoods and and what they've been what they might have not taken on in life because they've spent time
looking for a loved one so I think with all these cases you see how much it affects the community and then the
family members and the friends but I think the interesting thing about John B Ramsey is because it
was covered in the manner in which it was covered by so many media Outlets I actually feel like it was a case that
wasn't happening in Colorado it was happening in everybody's backyard if that makes any sense because
it was so highly covered and very similar to like the Casey Anthony case so highly publicized that it didn't feel
like it was happening in Florida it felt like it was happening in your own backyard and
therefore so many more people were affected and it wasn't just um a case that maybe changed the local community but it
was a case that maybe changed the whole landscape of of America yeah that was a case that we
received a lot of Praise of we covered it in six episodes and we here we are December
2020 it was a year ago we were we were just putting the final bow on those episodes and again a lot of a lot of
praise for our work that we did on that but the case itself was extremely difficult to put
together episodes 4 and a lot of that was because of such widespread coverage like you said Captain it's it's a case
that was covered so widely that it almost feels like it happened in everyone's community
and the the problem with putting together the the John Benet episodes was there were so many times where an
incident or an event or something was reported five different times five different ways there was a lot of
irresponsible reporting going on in that case from the time it started started all the way up until the day that we
covered it and so it was a lot of sifting through things and trying for the captain and I to try to go to look
at everything through all the different angles and go okay well what's the truth
here what what in this particular event on the timeline how did it actually go down what is the what is
the right thing to say here what is the right thing to tell the listeners here in regards to this particular thing
because there are so many things with that case that you can slap a question mark
on and say okay this is something that happened before she was killed this was something that happened after she was
killed does it have relevancy to the case itself it does it help point us in the direction of who did this and who's
responsible for killing this little girl so it was a it was an interesting case to put together it's still a case that
that obviously I mean fascinates me amongst everybody else as well still to this day as much as I always wanted to
dive in and learn more about the case and we probably could have made it 30 some episodes cuz you could have went
down every single rabbit hole and I also love the spirited debate that people will have about that
case even with us now I appreciate it because I don't have an answer I don't have a definitive solution to to that
crime it was just a very difficult case once we started diving in it was like oh
yeah we're finally covering this and it was exciting and then and then you remember what you're covering and and
the the darkness of the case and um so yeah that I that's something that I think will live with me for a very long
time well and I think with that case in particular with John Benet that it's been covered so much and
so often that it almost starts to take on a a bit of fantasy where it almost feels like a movie or a TV show that you
watched one time more so than than a real life case I mean it's it's a Despicable horrible murder of a child
and and you're right when we jumped into it when we dove into it there was a a certain level of excitement of going
okay well we're finally we're finally getting to this we're we're covering a case that we said we never would and so
there was a level excitement of excitement there but then once you get into it and it's it's just a heavy dark
depressing subject now the cases the case itself and the the way that we were able to present the information to
everyone I thought was real interesting too because we did it in six parts and so we
were really able to take different aspects of the case and really put a micro put them under the microscope for
the entirety of an episode you know everybody in their cousin out there have done 45 minutes on the John Benet case
it just it's just been done a million times but we were able to look at it I think in in a bit of a different way and
present it in a bit of a different way and really tear through the minutia of that case and the rumors and such and
really get down to to the the nuts and bolts of of the thing and and look at different aspects of the case um in in
our different different episodes well another reason why I think people look at the case and it almost seems like
it's a a movie or something is because of the pictures of the family a lot they had so many pose type pictures with
actual like professional photographers and so many POS type pictures of John Benet so me like
Glamour Shots where like a case like am me mahalic or whatever you're getting a couple home pictures or maybe a home
movie in a school photo with with John Benet Ramsay you're getting hundreds of professional photos because of the the
beauty pageants and stuff that they entered so I think that's also a part of why it becomes more movie like and it
wasn't released I didn't even know if it was released when we covered the case but the actual what they what they
believe is the last picture of Little John Benet Ramsay and it's just her looking up at her dad and he he took the
picture because well it's his daughter and he thought she looked cute but he also just was saying how like tired she
looked and how worn out she looked from ch but it was a kind of a proud moment as a
parent like we must have done such a good job because she is exhausted and it's now time to go home and that was
the last picture and she doesn't have a bunch of makeup on and she doesn't look like a a little Katie Perry or something
she she just looks like a little six-year-old kid that is wore out because of Christmas John B Ramsey she was
strangled with a cord Little Miss Colorado 6-year-old murder victim Jean Benet Ramsey unknown
Intruder her brother Victory John B Ramsey oh my [Music] God they still have not interviewed the
parents I Didn't Do It John Ramy didn't do it and didn't have a clue of anybody who did
this my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more than to find out who was responsible for
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Brief Summary

Hosts countdown their top five True Crime Garage episodes, reflecting on impactful cases and listener support.

Key points

True Crime Garage Cheers to Listeners. A heartfelt thank you to listeners for their support during a tough year.
Colonial Parkway Murders Discussion. An in-depth look at the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders and the involvement of victim's families.
Amy Mahalic Case Overview. A revisit of the Amy Mahalic case, discussing its history and ongoing investigation.
The BTK Series. An extensive look into the profile of the BTK killer, revealing chilling details.
The Deli Murders. Exploring the unsolved homicide of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, a case still shrouded in mystery.
Brandon Lawson's 911 Call. Dissecting the critical 911 call that could hold the key to solving Brandon's disappearance.

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2020 was tough on everybody but you guys made it a lot easier on us.

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Tension

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