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[Music] crime [Music] what we have come to learn so far in our investigation that I'm willing to
confirm with you today is that honey and Barry Sherman were last seen alive in the evening hours of Wednesday December
the 13th 2017 neither of the two had communicated with friends family or Associates from
that time frame until their discovery on Friday December the 15th there are no signs of forced entry
on all access points to the home honey and Barry Sherman were found deceased in the lower level pool
area hanging by belts from a poolside railing in a semi-seated position on the pool deck
they were wearing their clothing We Believe now through the 6 weeks of work review we have sufficient evidence to
describe this as a double homicide investigation and that both honey and Barry Sherman were in fact targeted we
are in the process of attaining or have executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches legal complexities and some
executions have been challenging giving the litigious nature of Barry Sherman's businesses in particular the certain
seizure of electronics in Barry Sherman's worksspace at appex two Residential Properties
belonging to the Shermans have been searched the primary Sherman residence is a three-story family dwelling of a
size warranting 6 weeks of searching forensic review and seizing of evidence this morning we return the residents to
the family to date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and
forensically analyzed a total of 127 witness statements have have been compiled this number continues to grow
each day neighborhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residents the this is included
the collection of approximately four terabytes of security B video from both commercial and residential properties we
hope that through today's uh release that we'll Garner a few more or a significant amount of witnesses uh we
have the 348 investigative actions to follow up on we have all of our seized evidence that we have yet to review uh
or certainly continue the submissions through the center of forensic Sciences uh confirm with our expert Partners in
the field I mean it's it's [Music] endless Barry Sherman was one of the wealthiest men in the world before his
death in 2017 Barry was born Bernard char Charles Sherman in 1942 but to tell you the
complete story of Barry's life and death we need to go back in time and first talk about Barry's Uncle Lewis Lloyd
winter who was born in Toronto in 1924 he studied bio chemistry at the University of Toronto and after
graduating with a master's degree he borrowed $10,000 from his father to open his first company in the family's garage
there he would process blood work and pregnancy test for local medical offices and his business skyrocketed quickly now
Lewis also saw a need he knew that the prescription drugs well they were way too expensive and many people could not
afford them at the time mhm so winter started a generic Pharmaceuticals Company by 1959 he had to purchase a
whole building for his operations and created what was then called the Empire Laboratories limited by 1964 it was
Canada's largest pharmaceutical company Winter's life was cut short at the young
age of 41 when he had a sudden aneurysm now 17 days later his wife died of leukemia the company was taken over by
their nephew who is Barry Sherman Barry Sherman lost his father when he was just
9 years old and he grew up working for his uncle's Drug Company mhm after graduating from the University of
Toronto and getting a PhD in astronautics at MIT he was able to take charge of Empire and in January of 1972
Sherman and ster limited sold Empire Laboratories in 1973 Sherman started op attacks this was with with a few of the
former Empire Labor's personnel and he had Incorporated it in 1974 now this was a privately owned and Sherman controlled
company and at one point claims to be Canada's largest Canadian owned pharmaceutical manufacturer Sherman
married his wife honey in 1971 she was a fellow University of Toronto graduate born in
1948 in Austria to polish Holocaust Survivors they had four children a son Jonathan and three daughters this is
Lauren Alexandra and kayn by 20 16 opch employed over 10,000 people as one of Canada's largest pharmaceutical
manufacturers with over 260 products selling in over 115 countries now it's charitable arm the Opex Foundation has
donated over $17 million in free medications Sherman himself has donated over $50 million as well to other
philanthropic causes in the Toronto area and Beyond Opex has seen a fair number of
litigation issues as companies have pushed back on its efforts to sell cheaper no-name options one of the most
high-profile of these clashes occurred when Pharma giant Bristol Meyers squib sued Opex in 2006 to try and stop it
from selling the first generic form of the heart disease treatment Plavix yeah but these lawsuits would happen for a
multitude of different reason reasons but one of the main reasons was that when you created a drug that there was a
window where you weren't allowed to manufacture a generic version of that drug but Sherman didn't like to wait so
if if the generic wasn't supposed to be made available till next year he'll start making it this year and if you
want to sue him go ahead and sue him that way so once once the patent Has Lifted he's ready to go to market with
this product immediately well he and he would also face legal action from family
members over the years who alleged that they had been cut out of the company uh that he now owned now on Friday December
15th 2017 emergency crews were called to the home at 50 Old Colony Road in the Bay
View Avenue and Highway 401 area this is around 11:45 a.m. EMTs responded to a medical emergency that's where Toronto
police say that a male and a female were found and pronounced dead on the scene the deaths were deemed suspicious but on
that day police did not confirm the victim's identities nor where in the home they were found they would also not
say if there were any signs of trauma to the bodies speaking to reporters detective Brandon Price said the deaths
are suspicious but are not yet being treated as homicides that's because price said investigators are still
trying to determine if there is Foul Play involved or not and at this point they cannot say 100% with any certainty
if there is or was not they also said that we're going to know a lot more tomorrow adding that the results from
the postmortem examinations have yet to be received also they would not say who found the bodies but the CBC Toronto
confirmed with a police source that they were found by a non-family member that night police would state that they're
not looking for a suspect and there was no sign of force entry into the family's
home the following day on December 16th the Canadian pharmaceutical giant Opex confirmed that its founder Barry Sherman
and his wife honey Sherman were dead and they stated all of us at Opex are deeply
shocked and saddened by this news and our thoughts and prayers are with the family at this time a neighborhood
resident this is Sarah Alvi she lived across the street from the Shermans and she said that she was shocked at the
sight of police activity in what she described as a lovely and quiet neighborhood she said we've never seen
something like this on this street especially with these people everybody knows who they are it was really
surprising it was heartbreaking now alvie said that when she heard that the Shermans were selling their home she had
gone for fun just to check it out at the time she said she spoke with honey sh who she knew quite a bit better than
Barry she said that everything looked normal when she L went to look at the house the kids rooms were gorgeous it
was quote picture perfect and then we have this article that comes out Captain this is by Joe warmington of the Toronto
son with the headline murder suicide suspected in the deaths of Toronto billionaire and wife yeah and the
article reads Barry Sherman a billionaire businessman and philanthropist was found dead alongside
his wife honey in their Toronto Mansion Friday morning sources say police were working on the theory the demise of the
billionaire and his wife which has stunned the city and those who knew them may have been a murder suicide this was
the theory that the Toronto police service was reportedly going with sources close to the case believe honey
may have been killed in a secondary location in the $6.9 million Old Colony Road house and then moved to the
location where she was later found with her deceased husband forensics needs to be done but at this stage it appears
there was no forced entry and no evidence of anybody else in the house a police Source said emergency responders
found the pair hanging from a railing that surrounds a lap pool inside the house inspector Brian bot who heads up
the homicide unit would not confirm or comment on the details of the case but he did tell the Toronto son at this time
we are not searching for any suspects bot said homicide detectives will conduct a full investigation and all
avenues will be explored that said police did not immediately find a suicide note and a search of the massive
house which included reviewing the hes video surveillance system was just beginning now we know the system now
today Captain we know that the system was ADT uh because ADT techs were seen at the crime scene working with the
Toronto Police Service yeah what we don't know is whether the cameras that were inside the home and outside the
home if they were turned on because we have Barry who was notoriously known to not use the system we're going to pay
for the security system but we're not going to use that thing well and later we would learned that in fact there was
a camera in the actual pool area where the bodies were found so law enforcement's going with this idea that
this is um a murder suicide and the family is going to come out and say hey this that's impossible so they get
another investigative team involved well not only are they not going to be quiet
about this but they're not going to be slow about getting their thoughts and opinions to the media either because
very quickly they released a statement and the statement says our parents shared an enthusiasm for life and a
commitment to their family and Community totally inconsistent with the rumors regrettably circulated in the media as
to the circumstances surrounding their deaths right we the family the Sherman family are shocked and think it's
irresponsible that police sources have reportedly advised the media of a theory which neither their family nor their
friends or colleagues believe to be true the family comes right out and makes a public statement that they aren't buying
the murder suicide Theory they go on to say that they urge the Toronto Police Service to conduct a thorough intensive
and objective criminal investigation and urg the media to refrain from further reporting as to the cause of these
tragic deaths until the investigation is complete now we have friends backing up
the family so the Sherman family these are adult children of the of the Dead obviously uh disagreeing with the early
assertion that the police believe that the father killed their mother and then staged the scene and took his own life
right and as we heard the friends uh there you know there's plenty of friends coming out and saying this is impossible
this whole idea is impossible it doesn't make any sense to us so we have the the
children saying not likely and then the friends backing them as well so the family they hired a lawyer this is Brian
Greenspan to help their own investigation into the tragedy the attorney Greenspan he hires a private
investigative firm led by a well-respected retired Toronto Police homicide detective who touts discretion
and definitive final conclusions for his clients the company is clatt investigations which is led by Tom clatt
who spent 14 years in homicide drug and intelligence bureaus with the Toronto Police Service before his retirement in
1998 now he went on to co-found a different private investigative for firm before launching his own outfit in
2015 he has investigated more than 70 murder investigations bringing a successful conclusion to as many or more
than any homicide investigator in Canada this according to his online biography clatz clients according to
himself well I I don't want to receive any push back from people going well that's not true I'm I'm basing this off
of what he has told us and keep in mind it it could be accurate information that
he's putting out there but it's also it's also a sales point you know he's he needs he's in the business of getting
clients so his clients have included high-profile groups many of Canada's wealthiest families who were in the
process of dealing with life-altering family issues it has been reported that the family conducted their own forensic
autopsy on the bodies of the Shermans before their burial as well so we're seeing the family one they have the
means to do so a lot of the cases that we cover on here captain we're not dealing with this level of wealth and
and I want to be clear what we're talking about here we're not talking about rich people we're not talking
about somebody that lives in the big house in a in a nice neighborhood we're talking about somebody that might live
in the biggest house in the nicest neighborhood these are these are not rich people these are wealthy people
yeah I think they were selling their house for like $54 million or something like that and then they were building a
new house which I believe was like 16,000 square foot or something like that yeah I mean these these are just
huge homes so what we're seeing here is I mean you have a pool and a hot tub in your
basement that's what kind of house we're dealing with yeah but we're also talking
about a family has the means to go to this level of invest when when they've decided that you know what what the
initial investigation is showing we're not cool with that right well we got the dollars to put together our own team and
these are no slouches and and look I understand their concern and I also I agree with the idea that there should be
an investigation but I also think the idea that people come out and go this is impossible it's like there's a lot of
people that commit suicide that people didn't see that coming or somebody committed a murder and they didn't see
that coming either right and I agree with that and I don't know that that's the uh I don't know that that's this the
scenario here I think the scenario here that they're unhappy with is that the police have not outwardly said at no
point are they on camera going you know what this is a murder suicide and we're got to dig down deep and figure out
exactly what happened right what has happened here is the police are saying these deaths are suspicious we have no
we're not looking for any suspects there's no forced entry to the home that's what they're saying on camera now
according to the media now we're going to take this with a grain of salt here according to the media reporting on the
case they're stating that police sources are telling them this is a murder suicide and this is how we're looking at
this so from the outside looking in from the family members perspectives they're
feeling that hey it's irresponsible of the police to leak this information before they've completed their
investigation right and it's also irresponsible of the media to drag our good parents' names through the mud
until this investigation has been completed as well and they just I think what they're worried about is that
they're seeing things that they don't like from the get-go and they want to see you don't want this train to get too
far off the tracks before you try to reel it back in right so and the thing here is they have to they have to move
quickly because if they're going to have a second autopsy performed on The Bodies
well you know the the Shermans were were Jewish and Jewish tra tradition requires
like most religions requires that the bodies be buried within a certain amount of time so the uh and that did happen
funeral services were held for the Shermans on December 21st uh this was in a Toronto suburb and
attended by several thousands of people and to to to give everybody an idea of the level that Barry and his wife honey
Sherman were on the Prime Minister attended this service as well as the mayor Justin Trudeau yes as well as the
mayor and the the Ontario Premiere so we're talking about some of the highest political figures attending this service
for these good people and the Shermans were donating to their campaigns and things like that so obviously that's why
they showed up now I do want to be clear though uh that it should be noted that the Toronto police still had control of
the crime scene this being the Sherman's home where the bodies were found but the
private experts at this time they were conducting a secondary investigation and they would not be able to conduct an
investigation inside the home until after the police were finished so we don't have the family here trying to
interfere I don't see the family interfering with the investigation I see them bringing in their own team and
maybe aiding the investigation and conducting their own once the police say that they are done the problem with the
police being done is this is a giant home yeah and like you when you hear the trailer she said uh it took us about 6
weeks mhm to do all the forensics that we needed to do in this property because of how big it was well and with new
investigators well there's going to come new theories so these new investigators
are not going to go into the scene and say hey we think we're dealing with a murder suicide they're going to work
under the assumption that there are three main scenarios for these private investigators to consider one possible
double suicide or a double homicide or a m a murder suicide now Captain do you do
you find it strange you know while we're on the topic that the police are hinting
toward murder suicide so very quickly after finding the bodies especially now that we know that no note was found or
no message was sent to someone to indicate uh that's what what had happened I I don't even know what the
percentages of suicides are left with a note but I would I I would assume that a
murder suicide there'd be less notes because you would be committing the suicide
probably based off the fact that you you know you just murdered a loved one and you can't well can't even call
him Lov one at that point but you just murdered this person that you're close with and now you're killing yourself
probably because you murdered that person and you don't want to deal with those consequences I don't find it
strange or odd that they quickly were hinting toward murder suicide scenario and I and I say that because you know
there's been so many times times throughout my life that I hear oh there's there was a shooting in
Northeast Ohio mm uh suspected two people dead and that's that's like the first information you hear and then
within an hour or two you're hearing likely murder suicide you know and and it usually can quickly what I'm
getting at is it seems to me in most scenarios when police arrive and that ends up being the actual result after an
investigation is taken place and they've ruled that it was in fact a murder suicide it seems to me that it's
very often that very obvious signs of that when police arrive on the scene what I find strange here is not so much
that they might have suspected that to begin with I find it strange one what was at
the scene that was the indicator for police that that was the route to look at because I I'm not hearing anything in
the initial reports that point toward that for me but then furthermore it's the other thing too is
usually when that's the initial thought that ends up being the result right and I don't think that that's what we're
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50% [Music] all right Cheers Cheers captain now we haven't really got into what is known
about this case the facts and the details surrounding the Sherman couple's death but you know and I apologize that
we haven't got to it yet there was some information we needed to get out but there's also kind of a little bit of
doing that on purpose because with this case and you and I were talking about this the other day you know for this
garage investigation there was a lot of rumors and speculation that were coming out before any real information was
coming out yeah and what information came out early in this investigation the first two or three weeks or so well it
was just a lot of speculation that was regurgitated from one newspaper article to magazine to internet to so on and so
forth and you never really got any sense of what possibly could have happened to
these two people so after some some much digging we're able to piece together a chain of events here in this case so
let's get right into the thick of it let's go through that chain of events of the facts and what is known about the
case now keep in mind when we're going through this when we are examining these couple of days the Sherman's daily lives
they're probably vastly different from most of ours these are very successful wealthy people who are probably they
have a lot of business obligations they're probably busier than most of us what are you trying to say I got some
business well and the other thing though too that I want everybody to keep in mind when we go through this is there
are two major events going on simultaneously during this time in their lives one their home is for sale and
actively being shown to potential buyers and to the Shermans are designing and building a new home to move into
eventually right okay so first on December 12th 2017 this is the day before the couple was last seen alive
honey missed a scheduled meeting at the bayrest center Foundation where here's what I've
learned from this okay okay they have stated that had it been any other board member for this bayrest Center
Foundation no one would have really paid much attention to this um but with honey
they they kind of dubbed her the Beloved queen bee of this of this group right and so they found it strange that she
did not attend and the other thing that they found strange and and actually the um foundation's president Josh Cooper
outwardly said it was quote bizarre that she was not there now they were a little
concerned that she didn't show up so they sent her an email to make sure that she was okay and she did respond back
fairly quickly and her response was short and simple it just said sorry uh she was dealing with some stuff and
unable to attend right and when you're selling a house they might you know had a showing that she had to get the house
ready for or it could have been some last minute meeting cuz they didn't break ground on their new construction
yet right I don't believe so this was still very much I'm a little confused and I got to be outwardly honest with
you on this because we're not talking about time you're honest we're not talking about the shotgun house that I
live in this is you know this is a project this is going to take a team of people to design this thing and as a lot
of people out there know when you're building something big like this their new home MH you run into obstacles and
things need to be changed and you know people change their minds and opinions on things of how they want things done
through that process as well well and it could be as simple as the an architect or or engineer contacting them saying
hey we need these decisions made today and if not this is going to hold up the process even more so it could be
something as simple as that and maybe she didn't want to dive into the details well and we can read as much or as
little into it as we want but it should be thrown out there that the day before she missed a meeting that she would
otherwise not typically Miss to the point where the president of the foundation said said it was bizarre that
she was not there and then her response seems vague and given the outcome right right very ominous so now on the day the
day that they were last seen the Shermans met with the Architects at on Wednesday afternoon
this is December 13th at the this is at Sherman's work at Barry Sherman's work mhm apparently honey left the business
after the meeting and this was some time roughly before 5:00 p.m. now it's assumed that she went directly home from
that time and we say that because there are no more reported sightings of her that day right now no one is go ahead I
was going to say that so she goes to the meeting this is at her husband's place of work correct and they're going to
meet with the architects of the of the new build their new home now she drives I don't know if
you found this odd but I just thought this was a little strange kind of like you know put a little pin in my um my
notes she drives um sh champagne color Lexus a newer Lexus like SUV mhm and he drives a
1999 Mustang mhm just found out a little strange well that's kind of one famous thing about
Barry Sherman and I don't know if it's if it's myth or if it's true but but everything you just said would point to
it being true there is a thought that as as extremely wealthy as Barry Sherman was yeah um he in his adult life it's
rumored he only owned four cars and meaning that he owned a car would drive it until it could not drive anymore and
then he would go get another car and repeat this process throughout the course of his life which I just thought
it was a little strange because well maybe not even strange but to me you're you're building a 16,000 s foot home mhm
that is that's a statement you know people come to your house they see a house that
big you have no problem letting people know you have some money right now you're driving a 1999
Mustang that's the opposite of that you know that's the well this car still works so I'm going to still drive it so
I think you have two different personalities and we should probably get into this just touch upon it before we
go through this timeline here but um I think you have two different personalities just because Barry Sherman
is extremely wealthy and he's made a lot of you know he was born into success in
a sense that his uncle was successful with that company right but he's also taken that what he was born into
and and done very well for himself through probably a lot of hard work and determination so right right he was
lucky enough to get the opportunity but most people wouldn't work have worked as
hard as Barry did to make it even a bigger company and when you look back on Barry's life in the way that he was set
up and the way that he carried himself it was almost like a Can't Fail situation really to me when when you
when you when you have somebody that steps into that role that is given a certain leg up on everything but also is
extremely intell I mean guy graduated I think he he either attended or graduated
college at 16 so we're not talking about a dummy here this is a very very smart guy he goes on to get a doctorate from
MIT so this is a brilliant dude and a hardworking dude it was almost like I said when you look back on it you're
like well this is a a recipe for Success this is a can't can't fail situation but
just because he was very wealthy and successful I don't know that he that he cared what a lot of that wealth
could afford him right so there were several of his friends that were were quoted as saying things like Barry
didn't care about things he didn't care about objects he didn't care about cars um you know several people had reported
that Barry would would often be seen working long hours at his company wearing wrinkled shirts and you know a
pair of pants that looked like he had owned them for 15 20 years nothing wrong with that right so that that that gives
you a sense of of kind of that makes the car make more sense but there's also individuals that just get um attached to
vehicles too and they can't let them go well and he's also on record and I I believe this was a newspaper or magazine
article where he had done an interview before he was before his death where he said something to the effect of he
thought that they would live in their current home for the rest of their lives I mean now mind you Barry's 75 at the
time of his death and his wife I believe was 70 right so we're talking about an older couple but this we're also talking
about an extremely nice home and he had said he had thought that they would live
in that home for the rest of their lives however honey told him it was time to get a new house so I guess we're moving
was was that's not verbatim but that quote is pretty close there okay so back to the timeline let's we're talking
about the day that it is believed that they were last seen right we have this meeting where the two of them attend
this meeting at Barry's work the meeting with the architects who are who are designing their new home this meeting is
over sometime in the evening early afternoon um and we have honey who leaves Barry's
work around 5:00 p.m. again it's assumed that she went straight home MH now as far as Barry goes no one is certain
about what time he left the building what time he left the business to go home now there are a couple reports out
there that state that this could have been as early as 6:30 p.m. but most reports have stated that he stayed there
as late as 8:45 p.m. and I actually think that this might be more accurate than the earlier time of 6:30 the reason
being is I've seen it reported that he would often this would be 8:45 would be a little more consistent with the hours
that he ially put in and while we don't know this time for sure the police probably have a much better idea on this
time because of a couple things what we do know is that Barry spent most of that evening responding to
emails at work that day all right before leaving and it's believed that the last
known email sent from his Opex C account was at 8:30 p.m. that night now I couldn't find it reported as to what the
emails were regarding or if they were responding to but it's believed that that he sent this last email at 8:30 and
then just like his wife likely went straight home that night now Barry Sherman did not show up to work on
Thursday which for some reason didn't immediately raise any alarm Bells yeah now on Friday morning at 8:30 a.m. a
housekeeper and another person who walked the plants both arrived at the house at 8:30 these were both regular
visits each week on Friday morning this two people these two people would enter the home so both the housekeeper and the
plantwater they busied themselves on the main level in the second floor for approximately the next 2 hours and they
saw nobody correct now keep in mind both floors are roughly um according to to this report
both floors are roughly 3,600 Square ft and they have multiple rooms now neither
the housekeeper or the person watering the plants descended to the lower level now the lower level includes a garage a
recreation area and a swimming pool at 10:30 a.m. two real estate agents and a couple that was interested in purching
purchasing the house arrived the house was listed for sale by agent Judy SC Le now Barry Sherman and his wife honey
were selling their home uh the reports are kind of all over the place Captain but the one that seems the most accurate
was it was being listed for $6.9 million oh how was off yeah that's some good coin right there huh yeah I was off by a
little bit of sh it was listed with the Forest Hill real estate Incorporated and
Judy gotle the listing agent was she's reported to be a close friend to the Shermans I don't know exactly
what that means but that's what's reported now gotle was away in Florida so another agent was taking her place
that day the other agent uh present represented the perspective purchasers MH okay
so we have we have two agents just to clear this up we have two people that are looking at the home they're
interested in buying it a couple wealthy couple no okay and we their agent is going to be escorting them on this visit
also on this visit will be this Judy gotle it's going to be her assistant because remember Judy gotle is gone
right so we have two agents and we have this couple that are going to be walking
the property walking the house checking everything out meanwhile we have the housekeeper and the person watering the
plants who have been busy on two different floors but not gone to the lower level MH so after touring the
Upper Floor the agents and the clients went downstairs and walked along a corridor leading to the pool area got
Le's assistant went first she walked through the doorway to the pool room and then she comes running out of there MH
at the other end of the room she saw two bodies backs to the pool held in a sitting position by something tied
around their necks she turned and and ushered the other agent and the client back making an excuse saying this part
of the home is off limits at the moment now I don't mean to laugh but basically her real estate instincts kicks in and
she sees two bodies and still is trying to comfort this the buyers CU she's still trying to make the
sale well I don't I I think she's being very I think she's been thrown into a situation that no one could expect to
and she's handled it extremely professionally this discovery was made shortly after 11: a.m. on Friday so got
Le's assistant called up to the housekeeper telling her what she had seen then made a phone call seeking
Direction on what to do now it's not been made public who she called at this time but she did call someone meanwhile
the housekeeper called 911 the Toronto police 911 system records the call coming in at 11:43 a.m. police were in
route by 11:44 Toronto EMS told the star that's one of their local newspapers they
dispatched two paramedic Crews and a supervisor at that same time now let's go through some of the other findings
and some of the other things we know regarding this discovery the couple's grown
children this is you know this is adding you know what's already PR bad making it
even worse but uh apparently they heard about the death of their parents through
the media and through social media rather than the police or somebody coming to tell them what was happened so
well but see here's the other issue here too is we haven't really I mean I think
people are assuming this but you know Barry and honey were so wealthy that they were almost Celebrity Status right
and so that's one of the problems with them uh hearing it through the media yeah and and like
you said Captain these are people that are so wealthy you would it wouldn't be uncommon to see them in the news or to
read about them in the newspaper or or them being interviewed for a magazine article you know these were people that
their faces and names were very well known so I one thing I want to dive into here briefly is the time of death
because we have we have a couple that is last scen sometime Wednesday evening and
they're not found until Friday morning there are some Outlets reporting that the Shermans died on Thursday and
personally I believe this is mostly speculation um I don't know if this is just early reports coming out that were
wrong of people jumping to conclusions but uh the consensus is that the Shermans were last seen on Wednesday
evening like we said um and it is unclear whether they were killed soon after that but I think Wednesday is the
likely time that they were killed and I only say that because honey Sherman was found wearing the clothing that she had
been seen wearing on Wednesday right which would make this most sense my issue is not so much that the children
hear about the deaths through the media it's the fact that Barry doesn't show up
to work on Thursday honey doesn't show up anywhere and there there's nobody at their offices calling their kids or or
calling anybody it seems like to figure out why they're not at work I don't know
that their children would have been called I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt that uh either honey or Barry were that they
were called right um with them being so busy and let's just say powerful cuz they're powerful individuals um you I
guess you wouldn't challenge that a whole lot you know if you're if you're a secretary or an assistant or somebody
that works for Barry or even for honey for that fact I still think you would but that's that's just me to me it
that's kind of a gray spot here on why did we not why wasn't there people reaching out to other people or maybe
there were and it just got to the end of the day and none of the dots got connected but to me it seems a little
odd that especially Barry such a workaholic doesn't go to work he sees him there's you know there's no there's
no checkup on him we should add though I should just to clarify it seems to me like Barry was in his Twilight years
let's say okay even though he's he's reportedly staying at work long hours that's probably a habit he he hen broke
um but he was not the active CEO of his company at that time right he had he had
moved on and had somebody else taking that position it sounds to me like Barry was was more just kind of going in there
and checking on things and keeping an eye on things okay so maybe he came and went as he pleased yeah I don't I don't
know that he actually held any real responsibility or any real duty while he was there if that makes
sense um Family sources say that the last known cell phone communication and I don't know if this is text or audio uh
but the family sources say that this came from the Sherman couple was on Wednesday at some point during the day
as we had said earlier captain no signs of forced entry into the home and no suicide note found on the scene there
was also no damage reported to the inside of the home and I found one report that states that there was
nothing to suggest that this could be a home invasion and I want to be clear on what that means I I think the way that
this the way that this report reads what they are referring to is where somebody
breaks in either in the middle of the night to home or kicks in the door and busts their way in and takes over the
scene there was nothing to point to any of that the autopsies were conducted on Saturday and Sunday and this indicated
that the Shermans died of leature neck compression sources say investigators found the Shermans side by side in their
windowless pool room each with a man's leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing both had on
jackets that were pulled quote behind their backs and rolled down over their arms their winter coats were
on their bodies but pushed down on their backs and arms if that makes any sense it is believed that the camera in
the pool area had been disconnected toxicology tests on the bodies reveal no sign of drugs that would have
contributed to their deaths now while earlier media reports suggest that they died by hanging that is in correct they
were found in a seated position at the side of a pool in the lower level of the house with their legs facing away from
the pool the belts were around their necks with the end of the belt through the Buckle and pulled tight the free end
of each belt was then looped or tied around a low railing that surrounds the pool sources say a working theory of the
private team probing the deaths is that the Shermans were strangled by the belts
then the belts were attached to the railing holding them in a seated position the leature neck compression
was likely done by the leather belts found at the scene right now one thing that's interesting here
is my first thought goes to are these berries belts right because they very specifically say men's belts in these
reports or were these belts brought in by the killer mhm and took some digging I did find one article that states that
that kind of points to one Belt being berries but doesn't clarify who the other belt belonged to
or if they knew for sure yeah and my thought on that Captain is that maybe Barry is found not wearing a belt you
know around his the you know on his pants so therefore it's easy to assume that that man's belt was berries the one
that he was wearing the other one might be called into question because you know
it it might be one that was taken from the closet and whether or not this man bought a lot of clothes we don't know
however I'm assuming from people that I worked with and have worked for in the past this guy's got more than two belts
in the house probably but interesting that they believe that they were strangled and then moved
and then the belts were tied in such a way to almost keep them upright yeah so they
are they're hanging but they're not they're not hanging in a sense that one would I mean this railing is going to be
I've never been in the room I'm guessing it's going to be about three 3 and 1/2 foot high maybe a little taller than
that so they are almost like they are sitting down but slightly off the ground because the belt has connected their
neck to the railing holding them from being fully Seated on the floor M a key finding uh was during the discovery
process of the second autopsy and this were marks on both Barry and honey Sherman's wrist this indicating that
each person's wrists were bound together at some point likely with rope or a plastic strap an examination of the mark
does not clearly determine if the hands were Bound in front or behind their backs right you think maybe zip ties or
something yeah now their hands were not bound when the bodies were discovered police also searched the roof of the
house and use metal detectors on the property here's one thing I want to get at Captain because this this hands being
bound either in front or behind their backs is not a 100% certainty it was a finding in one of the autopsies
I believe it's probably likely that this went down but the whole winter coat thing is then very weird right I mean I
know it's Toronto it's December so it's obviously very cold um we know that the Shermans drove home
separately I I think that they may have parked their cars outside of the house and I say that because there are some
crime scene photos that show Honey's Lexus parked in the driveway and not the garage right so first off they have this
fancy garage that's underneath their home why are they parking outside that's super weird and well they might have
been stopped outside and then as for the Coats were they still wearing their coats when they were attacked were they
attacked outside brought into the house they're wearing their coats obviously at
separate times if they arrived at separate times mhm but so they're still wearing their coats when they're
attacked is is my thought but the way that the coat thing is described is almost like the coat is put on you to to
constrict your arms as well like your arms are not in the arms of the jacket it reads as if the coat is wrapped
around your body and arms and then zipped up or pushed down so that it would restrict movement of your arms and
hands right which makes me feel like maybe the jack were put on after you know by the perpetrator and
again they think that there's some kind of strangulation beforehand but you have
two individuals that they're up in the air mhm so what's making you think that they weren't being in you know being
strangled in that position right and so was it like oh we bound their hands now we take those off and now we're going to
put their jackets on after the death and we should be clear about that because I
don't know if it was clear the way that I described it but it would be that if this is in fact true that their hands
were tied or bound that these bindings were removed from the scene they were not found on on the bodies on the
Shermans when they were discovered right so meaning meaning Barry Sherman could not have
killed his wife then killed himself and then disposed of these bindings all at the same time it it just doesn't work
out um also if and well the jacket part doesn't work out because you'd have to put the jacket
back on himself right well in addition the jacket part doesn't work out right cuz what's he going to do hang himself
and then pull his jacket down past his arms somehow well I want to be clear the reason why a lot there was a lot of
speculation about that at first was there was some bruising uh on Honey's face and so a lot of people were like
well there was no bruising on Barry's face so therefore murder suicide but like you said you got get these bindings
you got this the jackets um I think they were probably just met outside before they even got into the garage you know
and Barry probably stopped because he saw you know Honey's car there so you if you base it off of the timeline you say
where Barry's not leaving till 8:30 8:45 well you know that means that these attackers had honey for a lot longer a
couple couple hours before Barry would get home if if that scenario in fact is true it would have to go down something
like this Barry arrives home I'm sorry honey arrives home before Barry something prevents her from go parking
the car in the garage or she's intending on just running into the house and leaving very quickly but something
happens to where she is attacked this would also explain the no signs of forced entry if she was
attacked outside and nobody witnessed this they could use her keys to gain entry to the home then they pull her
into the home they take control of the scene and I say they because it could be one person could be two could be three
they take control of the scene they have control of Honey now I don't know if she
killed it that time or not while they wait for Barry to arrive Barry would pull in seeing his wife's car in the
driveway wonder what's up maybe he decides to park in the driveway as well to see what's going on right he goes to
the front door he goes inside and when he gets inside he's greeted by these people that have been lying in wait for
him or they have his wife hostage and now they have a bargaining chip and he's got
to do what they say right now as as we know Captain um while we're on the details of what was found what is known
and what is not known as we know it is typical in a death investigation for police to serve production orders or
search orders signed by a judge or Justice of the Peace um for cell phones and to cell phone companies or to Banks
to obtain records showing a person's whereabouts and so forth now if permission is given by the executor of
this in which I've heard that the banks have come forward and the cell phone companies have come forward in this case
and said you do not need to submit um search warrants we've worked we're working with the family any information
that the police need we will provide to you so don't delay yourself with with seeking search warrants or serve uh
production orders right what is weird here though is I couldn't find anywhere that indicated whether the couple's cell
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Barry and Honey Sherman were one of the wealthiest couples in Canada. Barry had founded a large pharmaceutical business in his younger years that was wildly successful. With the success came many friends and enemies. In December of 2017 both Barry and Honey were found dead in their mansion. It’s very likely that the two were dead for more than 24 hours before the discovery of their bodies. Early indicators suggest strongly that the Toronto Police Service suspected a murder/suicide. That Barry had killed his wife and them himself. As the Investigation continued we would find that there are reasons to suspect that the rich couple were murdered in their home. This week we venture back to Canada and see if we can shed some light on the unfolding story of the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Beer of the Week - Cult Classic by Goose Island Brew HouseGarage Grade - 3 and 1/2 bottle caps out of 5

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The episode investigates the double homicide of Barry and Honey Sherman, detailing evidence, family responses, and police theories.

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The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead in their home, raising suspicions of foul play.
Sherman Family's Response. The Sherman family publicly disputes the murder-suicide theory, urging a thorough investigation.
Funeral Services for the Shermans. Thousands attended the funeral for Barry and Honey Sherman, including high-profile political figures.
Investigation Delays. Toronto police maintain control of the crime scene, delaying private investigations.
Murder-Suicide Theories. Police hint at murder-suicide, raising questions due to lack of evidence.
Honey's Bizarre Absence. Honey Sherman missed a crucial meeting, raising concerns among her peers.

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