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We started off this week discussing the stock market crash of 2008 as it does play a factor in this week's case. But
our story starts off nearly 30 years earlier with the birth of a baby boy. Jeffrey Russell Hall was born November
21st, 1978. His mother is JoAnn Patterson. I couldn't really find anything about his
father, but Jeff Hall's childhood is not our main focus in the garage today. Our
focus will be his adult life. In early adulthood, Jeff got married to Laeticia Neal and the young couple had two
children, a boy and a girl. Their names are Joseph and Shirley. Joseph was born June 19th, 2000.
Shortly after the birth of Joseph and then Shirley, Jeff and Laeticia split up. It wasn't long after the divorce
that Laeticia was pregnant, but not with another child by Jeff. No, Laeticia was
pregnant with twins by another father. The birth of the twins was successful. However, in 2003, the two still very
young twins were hospitalized for failing to thrive. This resulted in child protective services stepping in to
investigate the whole family and living situation. Social workers, which by the way may be the single most difficult job
in America, so cheers to those who do that job and do it well. The social workers reported that
Laeticia, and I'm guessing Captain her new beau's home, had no electricity or gas. That seems to be a reoccurring
theme here as of late on our show. We spoke a couple weeks ago on our Jalique Rainwalker episode about parents raising
their own children plus some adopted children in a home with no electric, no gas or outdoor plumbing only, but that
was by choice from those parents, right? The home that we are talking about right now, the
living situation that we're talking about right now, has those amenities. And I'm guessing that Leticia and her
man's home, well, they just chose not to pay those bills or could not pay those bills.
And the people over at the electric company, gas company, well, they shut that [ __ ] off.
I'm thinking here that this home only had running water because the good people over at the water company in most
areas won't turn it off even if you don't pay. So, social workers found poor living conditions for these two
children. A filthy house with maggots growing, living, and even flourishing on dirty dishes throughout the home.
Yummy. Yummy. Mhm. The children were not well taken care of. In fact, they were malnourished. The kids were not clean,
either. They were covered in dirt and worse, covered in bruises. So, we've got to take these children out
of this bad living situation. So, easy fix, right? When the biological parents are separated, we will just send the
kids to live with and be raised by dad, Jeff Hall. Right? Well, that's going to be wrong
because daddy's got a drinking problem. Right. Jeff Hall was on probation for driving under the influence. As a
result, his two children were temporarily placed with their grandmother. And then about a year later, this would
be 2004, by now Jeff must have cleaned up his act a bit because Jeff Hall was granted full
custody of his two children, Joseph and Shirley. After Jeff's divorce to his first wife
and the mother of his two kids, he was in a good relationship with a woman named Krista McCary.
And the two did get married, and they would go on to have three children together.
And it looks like they were all girls. So, eventually in the whole household, we have Jeff and his second wife,
Krista, his two children, Joseph and Shirley from Jeff's first marriage, and then Jeff and Krista's three
daughters. So, a larger family of seven all living under one roof. It's such a common theme in this country
where parents aren't able to take care of their one kids of the first marriage, and then then the
second marriage they go on to have more kids. And it's like you couldn't take care of
the first set of kids. Is it the ones that can't that can't take care of the kids the most tend to have the most
kids? Yeah. Are you trying to have enough kids so that eventually in like a Shameless
situation, they just raise themselves, they raise each other? Yeah, or maybe they're just such a great tax write-off.
Well, Jeff earned a living and provided for his big family with his job, of course, and Jeff is a plumber.
But then sometime in 2008, Jeff lost his job. Again, we should keep in mind for those not old enough to have
experienced this as an adult, but the wicked triad of the stock market crash, the housing bubble bursting, and the
massive job loss truly affected everyone in some shape or form, and of course, some more than others in this country.
Right. As said in the trailer, America in most areas anyway, stopped building houses, and a lot of people lost their
jobs, and some companies were disappearing. Well, and he was a plumber, but I think
his specialty was new builds. Right. And they really stopped building houses for
years. Mhm. And as said, some companies were disappearing. So, even if you know, you're laid off from your job,
but then eventually your company that you worked for goes away. So, that job disappears forever, for eternity. Mhm.
And it would take years for a lot of these jobs to return. Years for the economy to recover. Right, but a
plumber with new builds, once the new builds go away, you still have the trade of being a plumber. And people always
need plumbers. Right. And And he lost his job, and when he did, he was not finding work, and it sounds like this
continued for some time, a good deal of time. Upset by this, and in what is just a
display of bizarre ignorance, Jeff decided that minorities and Jews were to blame for the thinning job market and
his inability to find a job. This is going off of the words of his mother. I cannot tell you what influenced him to
to decide to join the local neo-Nazi movement, but he did. And her words are that it had to do with his inability to
find a job. Well, here's this guy that Look, the economy sucks. Your job is gone.
You can't find work, or or maybe you're not really looking for work, so then you
start looking for somebody to blame. And and then, for whatever reason, he's in a situation where
there's a local neo-Nazi group. Somehow, he not only becomes a part of that, he becomes a a thriving member. Yeah, he
becomes a bit of a leader in the local chapter. Now, we mentioned that the unemployment rate peaked at 10%
nationwide, but in Jeff's area, in his local area, it at one point was as high as 15%.
Those numbers are normally skewed down, so it could be as high as 20, 25%. For those that don't know, and despite
really what I think some may think, the neo-Nazism is a global phenomenon. It's not something that just is
happening or happened in this country. Mhm. Uh but it's representation is in other countries as well. In fact,
in many countries. And of course, neo-Nazis seek to employ their ideology to promote hatred and attack minorities
and in some cases create a fascist state. There's probably larger groups found in European countries than
than are found in the states. And as said, he would grow to prominence amongst these idiots, right? So, he
becomes a bit of a He's the leader of idiots. Right, right. He becomes a bit of a
leader, a vocal guy, a vocal leader in his local chapter. This is for the National Socialist Movement or the NSM.
And I guess the NSM is the largest neo-Nazi group in in this country, maybe in most countries. I I don't know enough
about this to be honest with you here, Captain. It's not something I've spent much time on in my lifetime
reading about. When you see some of these meetings, they're pretty small. And it also looks
like the average person that's attending, like seems like there's some normal people
or they appear to be normal normal on the outside. There's other ones that look like that
maybe their parents were cousins. Um it's it's it's a unique group. I mean, it's
it's like Walmart at at midnight. Uh-oh. That's that's that's That's rude to the to the Walmart
people. Well, so he is involved in this group and as said, he's a vocal leader. Now,
one thing where he really this really drops on the map where you start seeing this group
not just being involved because they're always involved in these like protest and things like that, but you see Jeff's
heavy involvement. This starts with a rally near a day laborer site in Jeff's hometown of Riverside, California. This
was in October of 2009. Now, at the rally Jeff and the rest of his band of idiots wore World War II era
Nazi uniforms. You You know, you don't have to use much of an imagination to picture one of those.
Not only did he join this little hate club, but apparently these members like to
play dress-up as well. Well, think about how stupid these individuals are. We We
can't get jobs. We're We're We're lazy. That's That's how I'm taking it. These guys are lazy. I know people struggled
through this time, but they're protesting day laborers. Guys that would sit on the corner
somewhere and hoping somebody would pick them up to take them to a construction site or whatever.
Instead of protesting, maybe you should have been in that line waiting to get picked up to do some work
that day. Well, Jeff would travel out of town and even out of state to join in on
these rallies. I mean, there were there were at least two that he went to that were out of state. I'm suspecting it was
was several more. And the Look, this is really when I question someone's motivations, right?
When somebody is complaining that, "Hey, I'm involved in this or this got me involved in this because I couldn't find
work." If that's the genesis of this whole weird hate club that you're in, I don't understand why he's not spending
more time out looking for work. It seems to be a lot of time involved with this with his neo-Nazi group,
and then also spending money on money that he does not have Right. on the on playing dress-up with
his friends. Right. And basically it's because if I hang out with these losers, I'm the king
of the losers, so it makes makes my dick feel a little bit bigger. It's people giving him an excuse for
this horrible behavior. In 2010, Jeff Hall ran for election against an incumbent for the Western
Municipal Water District Board as a member of the National Socialist Movement. Jeff, to what I hope is to the
astonishment of everyone listening, he received about a third of the vote. That's right, just a little more and
Jeff would have been elected and the good people of Riverside, California would have had a hate-fueled racist
sitting on the board of Municipal Water District. This, when people look at this
from the outside looking in, especially people in other countries, they'll go, "That makes sense because America is,
{quote} {unquote}, a racist country." That this guy managed to get a third of the vote. One problem, amongst other
problems that we have here in the states, is that people in communities pay very little attention to local
elections. Our voter turnout rate for local elections is is really despicable. Right. People don't pay attention, they
don't know what's going on, they don't care, and therefore they don't vote. Now, when you have a guy as vocal as
Jeff Hall, who says, "Hey, I'm with this NSM." He's preaching to his NSM brothers
and sisters and saying, "Hey, get out there and vote for me. Vote for me because then you're putting one of you
on this board of water." And actually the board of water, there is a decent amount of power that comes with that. I
won't go too much into it cuz I one I don't know a whole lot about it, but anybody that has seen one of my favorite
shows Goliath season 3 will understand that there is a decent amount of power and responsibility that comes with this
position. He did not get elected. In March of 2011, Hall and his group of about two dozen
white supremacists took to the streets in the affluent, primarily residential Claremont, Los Angeles County,
sometimes called the quote City of Trees and PhDs. They had a screaming confrontation with
counter-protesters of more than 200 immigrant rights activists who de who declared the group as racist.
Dozens of officers from several police agencies were on hand to keep the peace. Now, during this whole 3-year time
period, remember Jeff divorced his first wife, the mother of two of his children,
Joseph and Shirley, years ago. And the kids were taken from her. His first wife eventually moved out of
the state of California and remarried, but in early 2011, she moved back to California and because
she did such a great job as a mother the first time, she was attempting to regain
custody of Shirley and Joseph. In all fairness, though, people all make mistakes. People should be allowed the
opportunity to turn their life around and get back involved with their children's lives.
Agreed. Now, according to Jeff's mother, Joanne Patterson, she says that little Joseph
was a difficult child. He was volatile and at times even violent. Yeah, I said he was kind of a odd duck
from the beginning. Well, this all to the point that Joseph was kicked out of several different
schools over the years. I saw one report that said he attended I believe seven different schools. I'm guessing he was
kicked out of all of them. Wow. Uh some of the more notable offenses committed by Joseph, he attacked students, he
attacked school staff. I believe he was accused or did stab another child with a
pencil. And he was even um expelled for choking a teacher with a phone cord. Mhm. So, this is a very
violent little child. Yeah, it's the chicken or the egg though because he was also
I guess violently disciplined by his father. He was abused is is the way that I I see this. And I don't mean to argue
that point, but I'm just saying from everything that I read, it wasn't a situation where dad gets drunk and mad
and starts punching everybody. It seems to me like this situation was kid gets in trouble
dad takes the takes the punishment too far. The kid experienced in his abuse. Yeah, in his 10 years of life up to this
point, the kid experienced 20 times that child protective services were called on
his parents and they did not remove the child from the house. Maybe they didn't find anything wrong going on, but
usually where there's smoke, there's fire. And that's that's 20 calls. And the other thing too, a lot of his
his behavior and and the the problems that that Joseph has a lot of this stems from something we
talked about a few weeks ago with Jalique Rainwalker's case. It's a very similar situation.
During the pregnancy with Joseph, mommy and daddy were drinking and using drugs.
You know, mom was using smack and drinking alcohol all the time, and I understand she's the one carrying the
baby. Dad's just as much to blame. He was using drugs and drinking as well during that pregnancy.
So, they had a real problem with Joseph controlling his behavior, and then it sounds like, as the captain pointed out,
a real hob- a real problem with Jeff controlling his behavior as well. The difficult thing with Joseph, though,
is the real problem is not just controlling his actions, but it also seems like the understanding
of consequences of his actions. His grandmother said that that Joseph doesn't understand cause and effect.
And I think that this statement here, Captain, is a bit more complicated than just the way it sounds on the surface.
So, Joseph having the inability to comprehend the consequences of his actions goes beyond just his failure to
understand that he does something bad, he will be held accountable, and there will be a punishment for his
bad behavior. But also, it's his failure to recognize and be able to understand that his
actions also have lasting effects and consequences on others as well. Meaning, he doesn't understand that if
he violently attacks someone, it's not just Joseph acting out, it's not just Joseph getting that anger and aggression
out of his system. It is him physically hurting and causing harm to someone or something.
His violence can have a real impact, can cause real trauma, and can have lasting
hurt or damage, or even permanent damage or destruction. All right, we're back. Cheers. Let me
make these. Cheers to you, Captain. Cheers to all the people in the back. Did you have fun in Jamaica? I did.
Jamaica had fun because I was there. Well, it's we're all glad that you're back. I'm I'm glad to be back. All
right, Captain. Let's get back at it. We are now at April of 2011. And Jeff's dress-up hate club, well, they're
getting some media attention. On Saturday, April 30th, a reporter was on location at Jeff Hall's home. This
was for the purpose of witnessing one of their meetings. This was a typical Saturday meeting. I don't know if they
were hosted every other Saturday. It's my understanding it wasn't every Saturday. Right.
But they called this their Saturday meeting. Hosted by Jeff at his home, at his house.
And at this meeting, his wife and children are present. There is some video footage of small portions of this
meeting that are available. It does not appear that the children were participating in the meeting. They were
simply there and can be seen running in and out of the house. It's more more like a family barbecue. So, they might
not have been participating in the conversations being had during the meetings, but
you reporters talked to his mother about how these meetings went down, she said,
"Look, these were these seemed like family barbecues where people are happy to see each other,
having some drinks, grilling out food, and and kids would be running around playing." Yes, that is a part of it, but
I I want to be clear, there is some formalities to these to these barbecues. They they are official meetings, and you
can see video footage of individuals taking turns standing at the front of the room addressing the rest of the
group who are sitting in rows Mhm. uh hanging on every word of the person giving their speech at the time. Well,
and and I want to be clear there, too. They're they're not forcing the 10-year-old to sit down and listen to
every word, but those kids are in that area, so they're going to hear all those words.
They're going to They're going to hear all this hate speech. You can see the children in the video
footage that I saw, you can see them running in and out of the house, repeatedly opening and closing the
sliding glass door to access the backyard and then to come back in from time to time. So, you're exactly right,
they are hearing this, and it looks like most of the meeting portion was held in
Jeff's living room, and following a round of hate speech, they would finish off the get-together with a
cookout and then oftentimes games as well. The reporter interviewed Jeff and other members of the group and even
spoke with little 10-year-old Joseph, who showed off a leather belt bearing a silver insignia of the Nazi SS
that his father gave to him. The article would run in the New York Times in May of 2011. The title was
white supremacist immigrant rights activist face off in Claremont. This would be Jeff Hall's last NSM meeting.
You say it's called a NSM? National Socialist Movement. Not smart men? Right. Or no
This is my favorite. No stiff members. Well, in all fairness, there were females
members as well. That's why the members couldn't have stiff members. At 4:02 a.m. May 1st, 2011, 26-year-old Krista
McAirey calls 911. Yelling into the phone, she explains that her husband has been shot.
She's reporting her husband, 32-year-old Jeff Hall, has been shot in the head. There is some audio available online.
I've only managed to hear a clip of it, so not the full audio file, but you can hear Krista yelling.
And you can also hear what sounds like children crying in the background. She says that her husband has been shot,
and the shooter was her son, Joseph. When asked by the operator, "How old is your son?" Krista says, "10."
And the operator, clearly surprised by the answer, or maybe even to the point of believing they did not hear the woman
correctly, says, "Again, what age is your son?" And Krista says, "10." Now, if I could, Captain, I'd like to
read for you and everyone else a police report filed with the County of Riverside Supreme Court of California.
This was filed May 17th, 2011, and I think this best describes what the police findings were regarding this
homicide. All right. Now, mind you, this is an official document filed with the court, so it does get a little
repetitive as you must use names as much as possible to make it super clear who is doing or saying what.
Well, I think me and the listeners are all used to you being repetitive. On May 1st, 2011,
Riverside PD was dispatched to and the address is redacted, in the city of Riverside, California. Upon arrival,
Jeffrey Hall was found deceased on the couch with a gunshot wound to the left side of his head.
There were five children ages 10, 9, 7, 3, and 2 months old in the residence along with their
mother, Krista McCary. Those subjects were removed from the residence and transported to the
Magnolia Police Station for interviews. Detective Roberta Hopewell conducted interviews with four of the five
children. Obviously, the 2-month-old was not interviewed. During the interviews, three of the four
children knew where Krista and Jeffrey kept their gun. And the youngest, name redacted, 3 years
old, knew the gun was in the house. Okay, so before we we move on from that, Captain, let's clear that up. What
they're saying is there's five children in the home. The one's just a baby. We don't We can't interview the baby. But
of the four kids that we did interview, three of them knew exactly where the gun
was that was used to kill Jeff Hall, located in the home where the parents hid it.
And the youngest of these four did not know exactly where it was, but knew that there was a gun present in the house.
Mhm. So, it's no secret that there are firearms in the house, and these children know how to Some of them know
how to access this firearm. The oldest child, which is Joseph, admitted during the interview that he
was tired of his dad hitting him and his mom. Now, he calls his stepmom Mom, just be
clear. He's known her for for years and Krista really is the closest thing he has to to a mother. She's the acting
mother. Joseph said that he thought his dad was cheating on his mom and thought he might
have to choose which person he would live with. Joseph told Detective Hopewell he knew
his mom and dad had a gun and knew where they kept it. Joseph said he went into his mom and
dad's closet, got the gun, which is a Rossi .357 revolver, from a low shelf in the closet.
Joseph said it was right there on the shelf. Joseph told Detective Hopewell that he went downstairs with the gun,
pulled the hammer back, aimed the gun at his dad's ear while he was asleep and shot him. Joseph said he
went upstairs and hid the gun under his bed. That is where the responding officers
did find the gun when they arrived at the house. Detective Hopewell asked Shirley, 9 years old, about the guns
that were in the house. Shirley described the gun as small and black. She said mom keeps it on the shelf
behind the jewelry box. She said that all the kids knew where mom kept the gun. Shirley said mom had a small gun
and dad had a big one. There was also a rifle that was found in that same closet. Shirley said all the
guns were kept in the closet. She said that she had been target practicing with mom and dad, but was told not to touch
the guns. Detective Hopewell talked to Now, the name is redacted. I don't know the name of this child, but it's the
7-year-old daughter, who said she knew mom had a gun in the house and dad had a gun. She said mom
kept the gun in her closet where the clothes, jewelry, and other important stuff are.
She described the gun as black and silver. She described the gun sitting on a low shelf.
And this little girl put her hand up during the interview to about the level of her forehead and said that that is
how high the shelf was. So, this is a low shelf in the closet. The girl said that dad had a big gun,
obviously describing the rifle, that she saw him shoot at target practice and that he keeps it in the
closet. Continuing on, page two, the residence at again, address redacted, was filthy.
There was dirty clothing on the floors everywhere. You couldn't walk through the upstairs rooms without stepping on
clothing on the floor. The bedrooms smelled like urine. The bedroom mattresses, pillows, and
blankets were stained and soiled. The floors were dirty and didn't appear to have been vacuumed in a long time.
The bathrooms upstairs were also filthy. Officers located the .357 Magnum revolver under the bed in Joseph's room.
Officers also located an empty holster on the described lower shelf in the closet of the master bedroom.
A bolt-action rifle was also found in a locked case on a higher shelf in the closet.
There were several edged weapons in the closet of the master bedroom that were also accessible to the children.
Knives, bladed weapons, that sort of thing. The downstairs was very dirty. Empty
beer bottles were in the area and National Socialist Movement flag and California Republic flag were hanging in
the living room. A .22 caliber rifle was located in the garage leaning against the wall,
accessible to the children. The rifle was unloaded. There was an unlocked cabinet in the garage with
ammunition approximately 10 ft from the rifle. The cabinet contained .22 caliber
long rifle ammunition as well as several edged weapons that were accessible to the children.
This detective goes on to state, "I interviewed Krista about any abuse in the house against the children. Krista
said Jeffrey has been violent with Joseph and herself." Krista said Jeffrey kicks, hits, and
yells at Joseph more than the other children. Krista said that Jeffrey did these
things to punish Joseph. Krista said, "Joseph would get punished for being too loud or getting in
Jeffrey's way." He's The kid's getting punished for for pretty small infractions. Right. Krista
said Jeffrey would get out of control when he punished Joseph, including punching and kicking him several times
in the back. Krista said Joseph would get punished on a daily basis, but not always to the extreme punching and
kicking. Krista said Jeffrey would also punish the girls, but not like he would punish Joseph. Krista said the girls
would get yelled at, pushed, and spanked by Jeffrey for their punishment. The detective says, "I interviewed Krista
about the weapons that were in the house." Krista said there were two guns, and she knew that they were registered
to Jeffrey. The officer says they were not registered to There was no registration located. So, that they
weren't registered to anybody? That's what it sounds like, or at least based off of 6 days of investigation,
that's what they came up with. I don't know what they found after this was filed.
Krista said there was a rifle that was kept somewhere in the closet, and they also had a black revolver in a holster.
The black revolver is the one found under Joseph Joseph's bed used to kill his father.
Krista said the revolver was located on the lower shelf in the closet and she admitted that the revolver was on a low
shelf where the kids had access to it. Krista said that Jeffrey kept it there so he had access to it. Krista said that
she did not think the children knew where the gun was kept. Obviously, we've interviewed four
of the five children. Mhm. And had the the youngest child been old enough, she would have known where the gun was
as well, right? Cuz three out of the four know exactly where it is and and the fourth child knows that it's in the
house somewhere. Well, this is laziness upon your responsibilities. And I I want to go back to one of the
things that you said is when you see the reports, there's cameras inside their home.
It doesn't seem a mess to me or I agree. dirty at all. I mean, the what you described,
that's abuse to have your kids sleeping on piss-filled beds, for your house to be that dirty,
that's abuse. That is laziness of your responsibilities. So, if you're not even willing to clean
up your or help your kids clean up their bedrooms, are you going to really know if the your
guns are secured and away from your children? Well, but what I see here, Captain, is no attempt
to secure the guns. It's not like they all we forgot and this happened. It It just appears that they there's no
attempt to really The most that they're doing to keep these guns from the kids is to tell
the kids, "Don't touch the gun." Yeah, but it's just so weird to me cuz and again, I'm not the reporter, but the
house doesn't look dirty. So, the fact that the upstairs is just a disaster area. But, you have to believe it. I
mean, it's it's a official report. But, I it's very possible they go, "Oh, well,
we have some a news reporters coming over. We got to clean the downstairs real quick."
And that's what I think happened. And I agree with you. That was what jumped off
the page to me immediately. I'm like, "Wait a second. I just watched video footage." Now, mind you, it's not
They're not going around and looking in every crack and crevice of the house. rooms, you know.
It's two rooms that you see. And you're getting really a, you know, eye-level view of the living room and maybe
portions of the kitchen at times. But, that's what I thought, too. I'm like, "Wait a second. This This report
what they're reporting here in this court report is from roughly about 12 or less than 12 hours later from what was
videotaped Right. on the day before. And I'm like, "That house didn't look dirty
to me." And to be honest with you, it looked fairly clean. The The small portions that I could see. But, you're
right. The The report as it reads is clearly specifically talking about the upstairs of the house, which is not
visible in any part of the video footage that I saw. Yeah. So, we go on about We're talking about
the inability or the the lack of caring to secure these guns away from the children. It sounds like,
you know, old Jeff wants to have at least this handgun accessible to him at the quick. So, in that thought,
he's not gone a step further to have it available to him, but not to the children or anyone else.
And the detective does get Krista to admit on the record. It says right here, "Krista admitted the closet door does
not have a lock on it." So, they don't even have the ability to lock the closet door to keep these guns from the
children. To which, after that statement, the detective says I advised her that there
was so much junk and clothes on the floor that I did not think the closet door could shut. Krista just acted
surprised that the children knew about the gun. Krista said that Jeffrey did bring the
gun out occasionally and put it on the nightstand for protection. Krista said Jeffrey took Joseph target shooting
when they went to a border trip so Joseph knew how to shoot guns. The detective goes on to state that the
conditions of the he says apartment which seems confusing to me because it very much it's always described
everywhere else as a house and it looks like a house to me. Yeah, I thought you can see the outside of the house during
the report as well. Yeah, I don't know if maybe it was a duplex or Right. But but it looks it's a house, right? We can
agree on that. Or maybe they were renting the house so that's where the term apartment came from. There you go.
The detective says that the conditions were filthy and not sanitary for the four children and infant to live in. The
residence was also unsafe with loaded weapons as well as edged weapons readily accessible to all of the children.
There appeared to be some abuse of the children by Jeffrey according to Krista although there were no bruises found at
the time of these interviews. There have been numerous contacts to this family by child protective services
but most of the allegations were unfounded due to a bitter child custody dispute over Joseph and Shirley
by Jeffrey's ex-wife. That is the official report that was filed for the court system. Right, so we have
this 10-year-old that doesn't seem to understand a great deal about cause and effect.
It seems also like he's been abused by both sets of parents and he's been in situations where the situation becomes
abusive. Being dirty or pee-filled beds. And And then his dad becomes the leader of losers and he's
constantly s- probably speaking hate speech plus speaking about violence towards other
people. Yeah. And it's I mean, look, it's a We talked about the stock market crash
and all of the the bad practices and misdealings that were going on behind the scenes that really led to that.
Where you see something that, "Hey, this is inevitable. There is going to be something bad that will come of this."
That's the same thing with Joseph. He's born with behavior issues and disabilities because mom was using and
drinking during the pregnancy. He's a victim day one on this planet, on the big blue marble.
And then he's raised by a guy that can't control his actions, right? You're trying to You're trying to teach this
kid to learn about consequences, learn cause and effect, learn to behave, learn to control your actions, but yet the the
father in the household every time he gets mad or sees something or hears something he doesn't like, it's a smack
or it's a whack or it's a yell. It's the father using violence to solve his problems does not teach the child to do
anything different. Right. It's a very lazy way of trying to discipline a child.
And on top of that, you have again, these children are born with these lazy parents and
then the parents continue to have more children. It's like you're you're too lazy to one, take care of yourself, let
alone take it care of a child that you brought into this earth and now you're going to have five of them to take care
of. It's ridiculous. And you you also have a man who is preaching that there are masses of people out in this world
that are lesser than you, that are not equal to you. To a 10-year-old, does he even identify that
what that means? Does what is his understanding of all this hate speech that's going on? And look,
when the camera was on, it I mean, it it didn't sound super crazy, super violent stuff that
they were preaching. Right. But who knows once that camera was off what kind of talk was going on? Was this man
screaming about genocide? Right, right, but these were Let's not get it twisted. What they were
saying was uncomfortable to hear. If I heard that in public, I'd be the first one to say, "You need to
shut your mouth. You don't know what you're talking about." You know what I mean? Uncomfortable to
hear. I'm sorry. Go ahead. What I'm saying is in their meetings, what they're talking about is it's still
hate speech. They might not be saying, "We're going to go around killing everybody."
Yeah, 100 Yeah, I'm I'm not confused about that. Right. What I'm saying is it's speech
that I won't stand for. And whether it's in somebody else's house or in public, but
Yeah, I'm wondering how far does it go when the cameras aren't there. I mean, we have we have a lot of things going
on. And And again, we're getting the perspective of a 10-year-old, but he's saying some pretty
scary things to the detectives when he's being interviewed. Look, this this statement by Joseph is
terrifying. He's told police that a few days before the shooting, his father Jeff threatened to remove all of the
smoke detectors in the home and set the house on fire while the family is sleeping. Right.
That's horrifying. if that really happened. That is a horrifying thing for a child to hear. And then let's times
that by 10 because it's your own father saying that to you or to your family. This is This child is telling police and
detectives that he is being hit and kicked by this man. And he's also witnessing his mother
who technically is his stepmother, but it to him it's his mother being abused by this man as well. Hit And he even
describes it a few days before he shoots his father that that Jeff threw a glass
or or a beer bottle or something of that nature at Krista cutting her on her face.
And I find it interesting that in that report he says he kind of feels like there is a divorce
that's going to There's going to be a split up that's going to happen between mom and dad. He's going to have to go
choose who he lives with. You almost wonder he's old enough to know and understand
that Krista is not his biological mother. That maybe he won't get a choice. He'll be stuck with this
piece of [ __ ] loser. The guy that he's scared of. He's afraid of his father. His father was dealt a good hand and his
and his father pissed it all away and was lazy and didn't work hard and then wants to point the finger at everybody
and wants to blame everybody and other cultures and other religion and people of other colors are all to blame
but himself. He's not He's blaming everybody but himself. And this weak-minded piece of [ __ ] then takes it out
on children and his wife. That shows you how big of a loser this guy was. Of course, if he's if he's
blaming masses of people for his for his failures, of course he's blaming his own
family behind closed doors for those failures as well or for his own unhappiness.
Yeah. And he strikes out and lashes out at them like a like a like a child would
like a like a like a infant throw or a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. It just shows that all their the their hate
speech and all their rhetoric is nonsense. I mean, these people that go well, we just want to
protect the white race. You don't want to protect the white race. You don't even want to protect
your own children. They're sleeping in pee-filled beds. You're protecting your children, you
massive pile of [ __ ] Of course, Joseph was arrested. He was taken to juvenile juvenile hall.
The other four children were taken into protective custody. This is because Krista was later arrested and charged
with criminal storage of firearms and child neglect. Look, I'm for people owning guns, but the most
important part of owning firearms is being a responsible owner of firearms and understanding that
you you are responsible for that gun at all times. Right. No matter where it is,
no matter where you are. You are the one that needs to conceal that and keep it locked away from
a child. This this boy, regardless of his problems, even regardless of the abuse that's going on, let's set that
all aside. But this kid knew where this gun was. And when he talks to police, he clearly
you can blame this on his age, you can blame this on his disability, you can blame it on
everything under the sun. But when he's talking to detectives, he's saying things that are clear that
he does not understand the consequences of putting that gun and shooting his father behind the left ear at zero
range. At near zero range he shot this man. Right. He says to detectives "I just wanted to I just thought I would
teach him a lesson. I just thought that I I would teach my father how it feels to be hurt and maybe he would learn
something from this and we could be friends again." He also asked the detective "How many
lives does a person get?" He in some other questioning he says to says about his father "I I hope we can
be friends again uh if he's not dead." He doesn't understand what he did or what's going on.
And and guns and ammunition readily available to to a child of that age very very dangerous. Yeah, partly that's
disability but also that's partly his age. The well, yeah, but but also the lack of
responsibility that his parents took upon themselves. It's just like if you saw a 10-year-old
that didn't know how to ride a bike, you don't blame the 10-year-old for not knowing how to ride a bike. The parents
never took the time to try to teach the child. So the fact that this kid never had
maybe never had a conversation on on life and reality and anything. Right, but this is a whole
different story maybe not even a story at all if they would have bothered to just lock up the guns.
Now Joeyann Patterson Jeff Hall's mother and Joseph's grandmother she was given temporary custody of the
other four children. On a interview that she did with 60 Minutes she said that she was not surprised that Joseph killed
his father. But she expected it would not have happened until her grandson was much
older. On January 14th, 2013 Joseph Hall despite his age at the time of the killing was found to be
responsible for Jeff Hall's death. Joseph was sentenced to a juvenile detention facility until he reaches the
age of 23. He is eligible for parole at the age of 20. Joseph turned 20 years old in June of
this year. So then it again it becomes the conversation of chicken or the egg and as far as 10-year-olds or or I guess
young children committing violence against their parents that would end in death,
there's not that many cases. It seems like there's multiple reports that I've seen
where it's like nine 10-year-olds since 1980 and then I've seen also reports where
it's like this happens roughly once a year. But I thought something that was kind of
telling from the grandmother was that she suspected that her grandson would eventually kill his father.
It just would happen later in life. Yeah, I mean so let's let's analyze that for a second. I I take her statement to
mean possibly a couple things. Maybe it's her opinion that this boy, Joseph, was was
violent and misbehaved and misunderstood the world from day one and it never changed.
And it never changed when he was five, when he was seven, when he was 10 years old. It never changed and he was violent
enough that that she believed you know, it's difficult when you analyze her statement because you go
does it does that mean she believed he would kill someone or or specifically kill
his father. Right. at some point in his life. You also have to wonder is she deflating the blame that that you could
put on the victim here. And that's what's very difficult in the telling of this story and even when you hear
interviews by the family of Joseph of Jeffrey Hall and Joseph Hall, you have a situation where
look, the victim is not likable. The The victim is is talking about some pretty disgusting and disgraceful things and
teaching them to his children likely. Definitely teaching them to not only his children but other children. And
it's hard because you don't want to victim blame somebody and again, the problem with death in this case is
this racist bastard you can't write his wrongs either because he's dead. So, there's there's no changing him now.
Yeah. But then on the on the flip side of things, would he have gotten worse and would he
have made this small group of small-minded individuals would he have of made them stronger and would they
have caused harm and would it have gone from not just protesting and hate speech
to actually criminal activities against other people? And you wonder if it's just a better world now because he's not
here. Well, it's exactly the same thing that we talked about a few weeks ago when we
were talking about the 1995 article written by criminologist John Dilulio where he's discussing look, when you
raise children in a in a terrible environment that is filled with with hate or neglect or or violence,
this is what you're teaching them to become. They they they they fill they become one
of those three things where they either neglect their own children or they grow up to become violent and you start to
see that violence lashing out to others in the communities in the early ages of even teenage years.
And with with Joseph, again, it's a difficult situation, Captain, because his statements to police clearly
showed to me he does not understand the ramifications of his actions or anything
that he did that night. It doesn't it doesn't make it that he should not be punished. Right.
And I say that because what you're doing is you're you're creating a dangerous situation for the public if you continue
to allow this child to to live in a community. You're you're putting everybody else in danger because
of that. And hopefully hopefully he was young enough when he went into the system and look, I'm going
to get attacked for this because there's not a lot of people that like the system. I don't blame you. I'm not I'm
not cheering on the prison system here, but what I am hoping for in Joseph's case
is that he can live in an environment that has clear rules that are black and white. That there are no gray area.
There is no father smacking, punching, kicking him. There is no father overreacting and
beating him up over something. Mhm. That this child is able to live in an environment where there are clear-cut
rules, that there's some form of education that he can get and maybe he can live in an environment where he can
be rehabilitated. And he can move on from this at some point because we are already at a point
where parole is is a discussion for this young man. Yeah, it's really interesting because when he asked the
question "How many lives does my father get? It's very clear that the child doesn't understand what it is
to be human. But clearly his father believing that there's some kind of superior race or that we're different.
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Brief Summary

The episode examines Jeff Hall's abusive life, his neo-Nazi ties, and the tragic shooting by his son Joseph after years of neglect.

Key points

The 2008 Stock Market Crash. On September 29th, 2008, the Dow Jones fell 777%, marking a historic loss.
Jeff Hall's Troubled Childhood. Jeff Hall's early life and family struggles set the stage for future events.
The Rise of Neo-Nazism. Facing unemployment, Jeff Hall turns to neo-Nazi ideology, becoming a vocal leader.
A Violent Child. Jeff's son Joseph exhibits violent behavior, raising concerns about his upbringing.
The Hall Family's Turmoil. A deep dive into the Hall family's struggles with violence and substance abuse.
Media Attention on Hate Meetings. Jeff Hall's NSM meetings gain media coverage, revealing a disturbing family dynamic.

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The loss of home values totaled nearly $100,000 on average per US household.

Impact of the financial crisis on families.

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