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unspeakable crimes he has confessed to stabbings stranglings rape and cannibalism he confessed to tricking
young Charles Z manowitz into his car driving the boy to the forest and raping and killing
[Music] him he confessed to snatching up little Johan Asin on his way to school never to
be seen again Thomas told of the time that he attacked an unsuspecting married couple
in the middle of the night he told his doctors and then told investigators about the time he took a
20 4y- old tourist captive because he liked the way that he looked he shocked the courts when Thomas
admitted to chopping up a little girl but adding he had wished the victim would have been a
boy quick confessed that while traveling in Norway he killed a prostitute and kidnapped and murdered a 17-year-old
girl in all Thomas Qui confessed to over 30 brutal murders making him Sweden's most evil and worst serial
killer this man is better known by the name of Thomas quick but his birth name is Stuart bergwall and he was born in
Sweden in the year 1950 born into a large family he had a couple brothers and a couple of sisters mhm one of them
was his twin sister there were seven kids all together for the sake of this episode we will refer to him as Thomas
quick Thomas became aware at the age of 14 that he is a homosexual and you know most of us can imagine that in the 196s
was a pretty tough time for a young man to be coming out back then in Sweden being gay was considered well basically
a a disorder and you know people were treated with therapy for being homosexual Thomas started getting into
into trouble at an early age his grades were not very good and he was getting in
trouble for things like touching and grabbing classmates mhm he also became a drug addict at an early age but Thomas
started to feel like there was a place for him in this world when he was still a teenager he fell in love with an older
man this guy was like 15 years older than him they had a relationship for a few months and then the guy ends up
committing suicide and of course this destroys Thomas and he starts going well pretty hard at the drinking and with the
drugs after this and right before Thomas's 19th birthday he would be high on some drugs and what he claims and
he'd be walking around the town of fallen and he would grab a a kid by the neck yes this was an 11-year-old boy he
grabbed him by the neck and he took him into a garage he told the boy to pull down his pants and Thomas then touched
the boy inappropriately two other such events occurred as well shortly after this
after which Thomas got himself into a lot of trouble regarding an incident at the Fallen hospital where Thomas quick
was an employee of yeah one night while he was working he saw a 9-year-old boy sleeping in his hospital bed and Thomas
touched the boy and sexually assaulted The Boy The Boy woke up and started screaming Thomas put his hand over the
boy's mouth to silence the screams and it sounds like Thomas was choking the boy as well regardless he tried to
silence the boy so long and so forcibly that blood started coming from the boy's
nose at the sight of blood Thomas fled believing that he had killed the boy he had in fact had not killed the boy MH
because of this Thomas was sent to live in a mental hospital and for the next few years Thomas was in and out of
residential treatment of this hospital so Thomas is a drug addict now and it it seems to me like Thomas is heavy and
into the drugs and when he is heavy into the drugs he's out of control and he's very dangerous mhm when Thomas is clean
and sober it seems to be a whole different story well it seems like he he's using the drugs as a way to deal
with uh his homosexuality yes and and other issues that he might be having right now Thomas gets clean you know
while he's receiving treatment and he gets better and this leads to outpatient treatment however after Thomas is being
treated as an outpatient he gets hooked on drugs again and we start to see this out ofc control monster growing inside
of him when Thomas quick is 23 he's in the town of upsa and he goes out clubbing he went to a place that he
considered to be a gay hangout there he met a student named Leonard the two of them hit it off pretty good they spend
the evening drinking and talking and they end up going back to Leonard's place now Thomas is still very much a
drug addict at this time and he was sniffing a solvent and he would sniff this because it would make him
hallucinate so he starts off sniffing this stuff after a night of drinking and I believe he's doing this unbeknownst to
Leonard Leonard goes to the bathroom and when he comes out Thomas starts attacking him he has grabbed a knife
that he found in the apartment he's stabbing Leonard over and over again yeah I believe he stabbed him 12 times
Thomas would later claim that he was in fact huc hallucinating quite a bit that night and that Thomas believed that he
was defending himself saying that when Leonard came out of the bathroom he didn't see lonard at all but instead he
saw a very large monster that he believed would attack and kill him mhm Leonard watched as Thomas wash washed
off the knife after stabbing him trying to clean the knife of blood and fingerprints Thomas stuffed the knife
into his leather jacket and left Leonard there to die Thomas had stabbed Leonard
like the captain said 12 time stabbing him in the liver intestines and the left lung police would later find the knife
in a canal and somehow Leonard survives this attack right in 1990 Thomas quick is still drinking a lot and he's
severely addicted to drugs he's 40 years old by this time and he's in trouble financially this most likely because of
the drug addiction and he decides to try his hand at a little bank robbery Thomas
and an 18-year-old man go to the home of the bank manager Thomas is wearing a Santa Claus mask and the partner is
wearing a ski mask the two knock on the door at 545 a.m. and the manager answers
the door to his home they then force their way inside Thomas is waving a knife at the man and Thomas's partner
has a gun pointed at the man mhm they then grab the man's wife and 10-year-old son and her them into a bedroom Thomas's
partner takes the bank man manager to the bank where he's going to take money from the safe and as an insurance policy
Thomas is going to stay behind at the manager's home basically taking the wife and the kid hostage while the man and
Thomas's partner were gone Thomas yelled and screamed waving his knife at the woman and her son he kicked over
Furniture he stabbed the bed and stabbed the walls several times he had a broad face with a little round belly he shook
when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly well he's being very violent and he's threatening both of them with his
knife mhm he also tells the woman and her son that he is infected with the AIDS virus and he only has a very short
time to live so it really doesn't matter to him if the two lived or died that day
it wouldn't bother him one bit he's got nothing else going nothing to live for nothing to lose of course well right
nothing yeah that's better of course Thomas this is not a really wellth thought out plan uh it really kind of
just spirals out of control and he's actually caught later that day for this crime and he ends up going to a
psychiatric hospital a place called seder now I believe this time that it's going to be quite different for Thomas
though because this place is described pretty much as a place that is somewhere between a hospital and a prison so it
sounds to me like this is a little more hardcore and deservingly so for Thomas now at seder he is going to undergo a
much different type of therapy and treatment than he has participated in before mhm it sounds like this type of
therapy involves a lot of drugs and a lot of lengthy therapy sessions it is here at seder that he would change his
name from s b Berg wall to Thomas quick and there is some reasoning behind the name Thomas quick quick is his mother's
family name and Thomas is name and Thomas the name Thomas comes from someone that we have not t talked about
yet but Thomas was the name of Thomas Quick's first victim a 14-year-old boy whose bloody lifeless body was found in
a shed with his pants partially removed and Thomas quick was actually 14 at the time of this murder and he didn't
confess to it till years later but because Sweden has a statute of limitations that he couldn't actually be
charged for this murder right he was never charged or convicted of of this actual crime and as we know that in the
United States there is no statute of limitations on murder we're going to hold you accountable for the rest of
your life and it seems like the doctors or the the treatment that he was receiving it was kind of like this
Cutting Edge idea and the idea was that you have probably these repressed memories or these repress you know a a
repressed memory of you seeing a crime and so if we can open up this repressed memory that it would also open up this
repressed uh time where you actually committed a crime mhm yeah that this violent behavior that you would repress
some of these memories and later due to the treatment be able to recall some of these acts that you've committed or
witnessed before now it's during this therapy and treatment that Thomas quick starts to open up and he's offering a
confession of sorts in June of 1992 he tells one of the caregivers at the psychiatric hospital that he has done
something very serious right and it's almost like he's going to be playing a game he doesn't come write out and say
it uh I can't figure out if he was just reluctant to say it and wanted someone else to say the words uh but first it's
like he wants the caregiver to guess what he's about to tell her saying that he would give her a clue and the clue is
M you yeah so he's basically trying to confess to a murder yes he's he's saying that he possibly is committed a murder
and he might be willing to confess this to his doctors well after doing so the the doctors at seder they get some
investigators involved because now they have a crime to report and once the investigator sit down with Thomas quick
they are able to go through some crimes that he's saying that he has committed right but before this actually takes
place because he says I I want to talk about a murder that happened they're actually going to start giving him a lot
more attention they're actually he's actually going to see receive more therapy treatments uh to have him open
up his mind so he can recall these events M they they want to make him comfortable so he can explore and
confess these items to them mhm eventually this this investigation will lead to the trial process and the trial
started in 1994 this was for the murder of a 15-year-old boy named Charles Zam manowitz Thomas explained how he and a
friend were looking for a boy in November of 1976 when they saw Charles walking along
the road late one evening visibly distressed and alone Thomas pulled over to offer the boy a ride home Charles
accepted the ride during the ride Thomas starts touching and feeling Charles's Hands and Body he convinces Charles to
fool around with him so they stopped off and parked Thomas's friend who was driving and now that they are parked
well he wanted to join in but then Thomas quick became angered at something that Charles had said and he put his
hands around Charles's neck and he choked the boy until he was dead afterward quick played further sexual
games with the dead body then the two of them carried the body into the forest quick had a knife and a saw quick is
going to use this Saul to cut up the different body parts reason being as his doctors would claim at trial his
sexuality was actually driven by this that each body part symbolized a different value system
it seems to me Captain like they're trying to apply logic to complete craziness here you know stating that
basically he knew that Thomas quick knew before he started cutting up the body that he what parts he wanted to remove
maybe what parts he wanted to take with him um at the trial Thomas quick described the way that the body uh
seemed to have it Gran as he cut it up he also described what he called a sweet s odor that was released from the body
as he was cutting it up he explained how he cut off parts of the body and took a
leg and a hand with him and put him in a gray plastic bag and then covered the rest of the body with debris and Moss
yeah I'm sure that's this beautiful smell I mean it smells as good as Nickelback after the murder a short time
later the accomplice came to Thomas quck and he said that because of his participation in Charles's murder and
The Dumping of the body that he was having a lot of suicidal thoughts now Thomas says that he advised his friend
that he should follow through with these thoughts and the friend ultimately committed suicide yeah that I I think
that's reasonable well and that this is Thomas Quick's way of explaining why he he tells this story of him being with a
friend they abduct this boy they do terrible things to him and now all of a sudden this this friend is nowhere to be
found how about this one kill yourself before you do something like that this was the first confession but it would
not be the last and same with the murder trials as well there were going to be many more confessions in several more
murder trials Thomas went to trial again but this time he was facing charges for
a double murder this is for a husband and wife named marinus and jany stagen house now they were tourist and they
were murdered at a secluded lakeside campsite in 1984 Thomas quick explained how he had snuck up to the very quietly
and then in a frenzy attack he stabbed the husband through the tent canvas and as the man lie there bleeding Thomas
then went inside the tent he gave a detailed confession as to what took place from there but we don't need to go
through all of the details of this horrific attack well not only did they do confessions but they would always
take him to the scenes as well and they'd actually set up like a tent mhm and they'd have him reenact it yeah and
he'd make all these noises where he'd you know he'd start stabbing but the whole time he'd stabbing he's
going he he sounds he sounds like some kind of animal you know when when this is going on when he's reliving it right
he also acts like he's in this like trans like State like because they were able to uh take these these thoughts
that were repressed and they bring them to the surface because of that it puts them in a trans like State it's very
dramatic MH all in all due to his confession and the forensic evidence it is known that he stabbed the husband 25
times and the wife after which he had stabbed 20 times this appears simply to be a crime of opportunity to me he he
happened upon the two and attack them they didn't even know what was happening until it was too late right Thomas
stated that this was have fun camping this weekend well this was a very very much a psychological thing for him that
in some way he was attacking his own parents and that killing that married couple it was like he was killing his
parents who he you know ultimately blamed for a very nasty childhood so the fourth crime that he would be convicted
of that Thomas quick would also confess to would be a crime that took place in 1988 this was for the murder of
24-year-old Israeli student yenon Levy who was visiting family and sightseeing Thomas quick told how he kidnapped Levy
at a train station and took him to a vacant home once there Levy tried to escape and made it out of the house and
into the yard but quick soon caught up to the man recaptured him and killed him there in the home which is surprising
because you know Thomas quick just looks like a bag of skin you know no muscles and yenon was 24 so you'd think that he
would be able to out run you know this he basically looks just like a like a bag of skin you know filled with poop
yeah he he he doesn't look strong he's not strong or athletic looking by any means no he looks very soft the first
the fifth murder that Thomas quick would be convicted of was for the murder of a
9-year-old Norwegian girl her name is theres johanneson and this took place in 1988 as well Thomas quick described how
he had seen the girl somewhere near her home now the day that he saw her it was raining very hard and she had taken
cover while she was waiting for the downpour to finish quick pulled over and engaged the girl in light conversation
before grabbing her and taking her down a slope to a secluded area is this the girl that he actually assumed at first
was a a young boy I think so yes uh he he then smashed her head against a rock until she was unconscious he reported
that her last words were her crying out for her mother he later recalled how he was extremely disappointed after taking
her body back to the car because she turned out to be a girl and not a boy after dismembering her he then hid
different body parts in different places around the area he said that he returned
to where he had buried these parts the following year and he burned the remains and at one of the sites he identified
what investigators found to be a a bone fragment and it was sent off for analysis now I do want to specify that
this was a an extremely small piece that they found and it was too old or too degraded uh for any type of DNA analysis
for the sixth and seventh murders he would be tried for he would be tried for both of those at the same time both of
these murders just like the last one that we discussed took place in Norway uh the first was for a 23-year-old
female prostitute named gray storvik and this took place in 1985 he said that he had he had
basically taken her captive and he forced her to strip he tortured her and then he described how she vomited as he
beat her he basically beat her to death the seventh murder was that of 17-year-old Trine Jensen who Thomas
quick killed in 1981 he stated that he violently stranged her strangled her with a strap
from her handbag mhm his last murder conviction was for a very famous case and one of the first murders that Thomas
had actually confessed to this is for the murder of an 11-year-old boy named Johan asplin which took place in 1980
Johan had disappeared November 7th 1980 in go back to the school and meet up with
him and the two could walk back to the home together and this was a hugely popular case in Sweden this would be
very similar to a case that we had here not as far as the details but as far as the popularity of the case our case here
being um the Adam Walsh case the boy then after being instructed to go find his friend and walk home with him well
he comes back to the home and he says that he had learned that Johan had not actually gone to school that day uh The
Disappearance of this boy very quickly was televised and many people came out to lend their time to look for the boy
hundreds of people searched for him and he was not found uh over 10 years later Thomas quick then confessed to doctors
and then to investigators that he had saw the little boy on his way to school that November morning Thomas quick spoke
to the boy saying that he had hit a cat with his car and asked if the boy could help him out the boy agreed to help
quick and when Johan bent over to look under the car for the cat quick grabbed the boy by the hair and he smashed his
head into the car he then pulled him inside of the vehicle he drove the boy to the countryside where he sexually
assaulted him and then strangled him quick cut up the body and he buried some of the internal organs there on the
countryside but he put the hand hands on the on the car's front seat and the head
and the legs in a plastic bag and then the remains of the Torso in another bag he then disposed of one hand along the
roadside as he drove away he buried the other hand in a stream he tossed it in a
stream he kept the legs in his attic for a while and he states that some of the other parts of the boy he ate
them all right well he these are the murders that he was convicted of there were eight of them he he went to trial
six times to be tried for eight total murders right now the thing here is he did confess to many more he confess to
over 30 murders some of those were not brought to trial because of the statute of limitations others they could not
verify that he had actually committed the murders now in these cases that we just discussed here now I apologize for
the graphic details and the graphic nature of some of those confessions but these were statements that were taken
from it a true crime show yeah these are statements that we taking from these trials um and I did summarize them quite
a bit to leave out some of some of the other stuff that that just wasn't necessary but the thing here is not only
do we see a guy confessing time and time again to to different murders and keep in mind these are murders some of these
are taking place in other countries and he's confessed these to his doctors and then he goes forward and confesses them
to the investigators and to the police afterward sometimes reenacting them exactly like you had said they take them
out to the scene they they kind of restructure everything you know we saw the one the one set where they built the
tent right and uh he's describing how he's stabbing the it looks like a man just standing next to a tent stabbing it
he starts grunning and you learn that inside there there are people sleeping now the thing here is we see these
multiple confessions uh eight convictions but on top of that not only is he confessing to these crimes but
he's confessing them to them in detail you know he's not saying oh I went out and I grabbed somebody Billy Bob you
know just making up some random name the captain and yeah in in the middle of nowhere I don't know where I was and I
don't know what day it was or or what year it was show comes out on Tuesday but I killed these people here and these
people there no we're seeing detailed confessions where he's stating you know I picked up this specific person and
this is how I killed them I got them into my vehicle I took them elsewhere and I and I did what I wanted with them
now the other thing though too here Captain we also see a victimology that is clearly all over the map uh it it
sounds to me like his ideal victim would be like a teenage boy or a younger boy uh but he doesn't seem to be able to
control himself at all and and he he's killing adults he's killing you know women girls boys it's the victimology is
really all over the map and he because of these confessions and because of these eight murders he becomes a bit of
a a legend in Sweden you know they they refer to him as Sweden's Hannibal lecor you know he's he's their most evil he's
their worst serial killer that the country has ever seen you know and the thing here too is some almost refer to
him as the first serial killer like like his crimes are so there's such a large number of them and they're so heinous
that if there were any other serial killers they almost forgot about everybody except for the very evil
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now I'll tell you what Captain we have to talk about the therapy and the treatment that Thomas quick was
receiving at seder and we touched upon it a little bit in the first half and unfortunately we had to go through all
the gruesome details of some of the murders that he confessed to but these were ones that he was actually convicted
of now the thing here is Captain I don't want anybody to get the wild idea that that this is our wheelhouse that we
fully understand this type of treatment that he was receiving but the basic thought that I pulled away from what it
was how it was presented to me was that because he was in this psychiatric hospital because he had con you know he
was convicted of violent crimes you know we saw the attack on the 9-year-old boy
that took place at the hospital where he worked right we saw the the stabbing of
the young man that he met at the at the bar I mean that's basically two attempted murders yes very very violent
attacks uh in the first one you could argue was a you know it was a sexual violent attack as well so the way that
he's going to be treated is they're going to be treating him for his sexual violence uh that he's in for right and
because of this they might have some preconceived notions that he might he might be guilty of some other events
that that they are unaware of you know if he was capable of stabbing a man 12 times if he was capable of almost
strangling a a young boy to death who knows what else this right what else yeah so they once they start treating
him and he starts coming forward with this idea that he may have possibly murdered somebody and he wants to talk
about that well it's shortly after this that it seems like the floodgates just open wide up and he and he and now he's
he's said you know I've I've committed over 30 murders MH I've been doing this since I was about since I was a teenager
I've been killing people and mind you for a good portion of his adult life he's in these he's in this Hospital you
know so we're so we're talking about a a specific window here where he would have
had to have killed over 30 people in several different countries the way that I understand this
therapy to be is that once they come up with these confessions and they learn that he has done these terrible things
you know we we talk about he's confessed to stabbing people to choking people to
death strangling them raping and even eating some parts of some of his victims uhhuh they start to say that you know
what this violent Behavior this sexual this way that his sexuality and violence has all gotten mixed up together must
have stemmed from things that happened in his childhood now I would say there's probably some validity there we have
heard many serial killers come out and say that you know they they have sexual fantasies and they all involve violence
that some of them can't seem to achieve gratification without the violence in those sexual acts and we even hear
people talk about you know from a very young age that they had sexual fantasies that involved violence
well what is the root of that is what they're going to look for where did that come from why is this guy an adult and
he's he's strangling people he's killing people and he's sexually assaulting them
as well well right and their their theory is basically that this is something that was learned or seen they
weren't just born with this you know appetite for a a violent sexual appetite I guess right right but that they saw
something in their childhood maybe they saw their mother being raped and so therefore by seeing that event it caused
them to want to go out and rape others so in some ways it would be a learned behavior right or or in a way they're
also reenacting this trauma so that's basically what it was is that because there was some kind of trauma that they
repress that image they repress that vision and that memory and all that stuff and that we have to do this type
of therapy to make them be able to relive that trauma mhm mhm yeah because until they can relive it well there's no
way to learn from it overcome it and become a better person mhm and the thing here is we we kind of touched upon it a
little bit in the first half right you know where Thomas quick explains that he believes that the the reason for the
double murder at the campsite where he where he stabbed the husband and wife to death that he believed that it was
because of he had a nasty childhood growing up and that in some way he was almost killing his own father and his
own mother that that night at the campsite right claiming that they're very abusive exactly so now we should be
clear here though because these confessions you know it took it took lots of therapy lots of sessions to get
these confessions to come out and what ends up being presented about his childhood takes quite an extensive
amount of time to come forward as well but with the help of the doctor um he is able to
to basically retell a a traumatic event that happened in his childhood and this is supposed to
explain to us why he is capable of these things as a teenager and as an adult now
I I'm going to apologize in advance as we try to talk about this event but it is a true crime show so it's a true
crime show the first half was pretty gruesome this next few minutes might be even more gruesome um but but Thomas
quick starts to describe abuse that's happening at the hands of his parents from a very young age and there is one
extremely horrific event uh that that he that he brings forward that is extremely
traumatic and it goes something like this he we don't know at what age I don't know that they were able to
specifically say what age this occurred but young like 6 years old or so he would have been pretty young at the time
and apparently his father was abusing him not just physically um but sexually as well sodomizing them during this
event he is being raped by his father mhm and for whatever reason um his mother goes into acute labor well yeah so he he
is being raped by his father and the mother comes in and she is pregnant at the time and so when she sees this event
taking place it's the shock of seeing you know her husband raping her son that brings her into labor mhm and this is a
violent rape as well it's it's you know and the thing here is sends her into labor way you know way early in the
pregnancy um and the baby is I I don't believe the baby is a lie right maybe it's still born or yeah but
but the baby is still attached to the mother um right and what then happens is that the mother
freaking out because of this situation and and who knows what else uh starts to abuse Thomas as well um and this is
physical abuse you know violently hurting him as well as the father at the same time m and they the two parents
react to the birth of this this baby uh Simon yes they they give the name Thomas
gives the name of Simon uh that would have been his brother um they basically start abusing the baby immediately after
the birth um to the point of dismemberment um and during the course of this they
are um m just say it okay U they they the parents may have been consuming parts of
the baby and forcing Thomas to consume parts of the baby as well and when he says consume he means
eat and and then the you know let's just say what there what it is I mean you know he's Thomas is now making these
crazy allegations about his family members MH and mind you that he has other he has another six siblings
correct yeah and when this event is over what happens is the father is going to dispose of of Simon who was just born
right and what he's going to do is make Thomas go with him they they bundle up the baby into newspapers and they head
out to the woods and they bury the uh the fetus into they bury the baby into the woods yes yeah they wrap the baby up
in in newspapers and then they bury the baby at a place called frami point right
and so then the doctors are going to then start concluding well a lot of these crimes that he's confessed to they
they took place in the woods mhm so that would be the link there uh any of the pedophilia stuff or the sexual fantasies
towards children would be based off of the fact that he was raped by his father yes and then any of the dismemberments
would have been the dismemberment of Simon any of the cannibalism would be because of the parents eating parts of
Simon or that he ate parts of Simon he was forced to yes and the these are the connections they're drawing now mind you
what the whole time these investigations were happening they're trying to explain
this idea that all these thoughts are repressed memories now a lot of this doesn't make sense as far as the True
Crime listeners will go because you know one thing that I I don't believe but that's just because I have a horrible
memory so if you ask me what happened if you ask me what case we covered three weeks ago I couldn't tell you boys on
the track um but but most what we've seen through time and through the cases that we've
done a lot of research on it it seems like these serial killers maybe they can't remember a lot of stuff that was
going on that year but they could tell you about that day and and and and a lot of details yeah so what you know so what
these doctors are saying and what these therapists are saying was well this is a
whole different case and that this guy Thomas quick is actually he's repressing all these memories because he had this
early childhood trauma that he repressed so he's repressing all the murders mhm but uh so when he's telling you this
stuff and he's confessing to some of this stuff some of the details are wrong right right so then now the
investigators are going well uh hey Doc this doesn't line up MH and the doctors are saying well look it's repressed it's
a repressed memory it's all coming back to him it's all coming back to Thomas at
at the same time that he's trying to tell you and walk you through what he done you know that this this is this is
a person that's been traumatized over a lifetime and because of this trauma has repressed any horrific memory that he
may have and whether it's something he's done or whether it's something he's witnessed he's tucked those memories
away even from himself and now we are pulling those forward we're bringing them to light and he's able to tell us
things that he has done and things that he has witnessed in his lifetime right and so what we have to do this is what
the doctors say what we have to do is these confessions are going to be a little different we can't just sit down
with Thomas and have him tell us all the details and expect for them to be right
we're going to have to have a confession you're going to have to talk to him you
might have to interrogate him then we're going to have to go back to therapy MH and we're going to have to try to get
some of the more of the details out yes because not only are these memories unclear to him to Thomas Qui but there
are so many of them that they could be muddled together and the details of such could be you know all mixed up into one
another and we're going to have to really kind of pull these pull these apart and take what what you know what
facts you know investigator about the case and what Thomas is relearning and what he is remembering about himself and
about his crimes and we're going to have to kind of we might have to fuse them together in a
way uh because do the best we can because we we know he's a violent offender and we know that he's he's
having these confessions and we know that he's he's he's confessing to people that we know have been murdered that
have either disappeared or they have been murdered now mind you the whole time Thomas quick is not in a prison
he's in this mental facility and uh you know he becomes a star patient he becomes a person of interest he
becomes somebody that they they want to talk to on a daily oh and by the way you
get some perks oh you're murdering people you murdered some people now and now you're telling us about it oh well
here's extra room now you got your room now you got a den oh you need the internet to do some research to maybe
jog your memory we'll get you the internet yeah where most of the patients would have had a a smaller room um and
like the captain said it's not a prison it's it's a it's a psychiatric hospital um it has been described by some of the
patients as partly a prison partly a hospital I it it looks to me like there is some form of lockdown you know that
they're not just roaming free out out in the public uh and then coming back at night no they're they're confined to
this property um but like the captain said you know these these perks come in in different ways and this is not perks
for murdering people we're not rewarding you for murdering people however what we
are doing we're going to reward you for really working hard at this treatment and really focusing on this and and
bringing these things to light uh we're going to reward you because you're working so hard on your therapy and
you're working well with this treatment right and the whole time through this too Thomas is is very heavily medicated
uh taking medicine as much as like 8 to 10 times a day mhm for years Thomas quick was confessing to these murders
and between the years of 1994 and 2001 Thomas quick was convicted of eight of these murders now eight of the 30
correct now shortly after this Thomas quick goes silent he decides one day that he's no longer going to work with
the investigators uh he's no longer going to help them solve their crimes there cases
that they're working on he's not even really open to the same form of treatment and therapy that he's been
receiving for years at the hospital he he basically shuts down um and he he has stopped confessing to murder and he
stopped cooperating with the doctors at seder right the doctors and law enforcement and during this time it's
it's around the same time that he now remember Thomas quick was not his birth name it was a name that he gave himself
once he started receiving treatment and it's about the same time that he decides
he wants to return to his birth name he no longer wants to be referred to as Tom
Thomas quick yeah and now he wants to be referred to as Batman it's during this time as well that he's going to start
severely backing off of this medication that he's taking well he's probably on a
bunch of stuff he shouldn't be on it's during this time that Thomas quick he sees a documentary now this is very
interesting here Captain because it has a lot to do with with his life he he's watching this documentary on confessions
and it's murder confessions it's why as basically why do people confess to crimes to crimes that they have not
committed MH and the the Curious Thing here is he's intrigued by this documentary and the documentarian
reaches out to Thomas quick he had re reviewed Thomas's story and watched some of the trials and he was aware of Thomas
and he wanted to speak with him and he wanted to find out more about Thomas's cases and his confessions and his
memories and one of the things that he actually did was they took all the confessions and they took all the
evidence and they actually gave it to a profiler yes now this profiler reviewed all of the statements all of the
documents and he didn't believe in all of his experience he did not believe that they actually had something there
that he felt like they were on the wrong track that this guy Thomas quick may not
have committed any of these crimes any of the crimes let alone all of them and it's through this documentarian who
reaches out to Thomas quick and Thomas is a he's not so quick to respond to to him as what it sounds like to me but
they end up talking and they end up working together and it's through this correspondence that we learn what
Captain that these confessions are a bunch of horseshit they're a bunch of horeshit right so where do we go from
here well Thomas starts by and again for the sake of it even though he went back
to his original name we're going to keep calling him Thomas for the sake of the show but so Thomas reaches out to his
siblings uh pretty interesting way to reach out to him he he takes postcards and he writes one word on it sends it to
all of them and it just says sorry yeah and I think you know the the reason why this is so heavy here is he didn't have
a good relationship with any of his brothers or sisters it it seems like once he was locked up and especially
after these confessions started right that they all just believed their brother to be a very evil person that
they didn't want not actually true a lot of them actually just believe that he was lying about all this stuff and and
then some of the the ones that actually believe that he was lying because he was
confessing to crimes where they said well he wasn't in Norway that time so he couldn't have done that and I think what
really got the siblings was when he started you know making allegations saying that you know my my father raped
me that uh they had this unborn baby and they and they ate parts of the baby right I mean we're talking about some
pretty crazy claims here but whether they believed him or not the thing here is though he had some pretty nasty
interactions with these with with his siblings while he was confessing to these different crimes you know and and
so even if they believed him or or not he was pushing them away they were already at arms length he he was pushing
them further away they didn't have a great relationship when he finally reached out to them
apologizing with by just simply saying sorry right so he's going to get a new lawyer because now he's you know he's in
this mental facility he's not technically in a prison MH uh but he's going to be spending the rest of his
life there but now that he didn't do these crimes I mean he did do crimes right we we do know that he tried to uh
strangle a boy he was he was in there for good reason right so what what we do know for sure is that he did try to
string old boy at his work M almost killed him and what we do know for sure was that that you know when he went to
the gay club and they went back uh when he was huffing whatever he was huffing stabs the guy 12 times left him for dead
so there's two accounts of attempted murder mhm so it's not like we're saying Thomas oh poor Thomas quick no you
you're a piece of [ __ ] before you went in there well and the thing here is though regarding the lawyer you know
he's with with these murders he's going to be granted appeals and it's when he changes his lawyer that through the
appeal process that the new lawyer is able to point out that in most of these cases I mean I'm looking at all eight of
them right here and it it's basically there's little to no forensic evidence in any of these cases right all they had
was his confession in some of these cases they never found the the person that was believed to have been killed uh
in the in the one situation remember we talked about them finding a very small bone fragment that could it was so small
and degraded that it couldn't be tested for DNA right it was later determined that that was not even a bone fragment
uh that they were mistaken um and in some of these other situations you're exactly right with what you said about
the his siblings where they the new lawyer was able to show that Thomas quick was not even in the area when
where this person was killed that he had a solid Alibi for this time and furthermore when they really started
digging into the confessions themselves and reviewing them at at a whole rather than just what he's stating at trial
they learned that many times he got details he didn't just not know them he got them extremely wrong you know in in
one case the the the girl was beat to death with with what was believed to be a wooden Club well he had guessed
several different weapons before arriving to that conclusion it's the power of suggestion and we see it with
the doctors and we're seeing it again with the investigators and the thing here in the beginning he he didn't even
know that the girl was Beat to Death he thought that that that it was a knife or
an axe that had had committed the murder well a lot of this is just a perfect storm you know it it was these doctors
that they believed they knew uh this Cutting Edge and and and we're going to uncover these traumas and therefore
we're going to be able to you know know why these things take place and we're going to be able to spot this MH and so
when he starts confessing to these crimes and they're not lining up like I said as the law enforcement they're
going well wait a second doc this this stuff don't line up right but then the doc saying
but there's a reason for that so again I you there's a part of you that's like who the hell do you blame you know what
I mean like I think it's everybody first of all the the the doctors shouldn't have been so naive they we see this all
the time with with mental health and I I understand again I'm not a I'm not a doctor I'm a captain but but you see
this all the time where they have to try something first to see if it works yep and sometimes that you know so you got
this guy that has issues this Thomas quick has issues first of all I believe that he has uh pedophilia thoughts yes
those don't go away right so th those are there uh he tried to kill a guy now he's in this
mental facility he's hopped up on some drugs and he's he's he's lonely I mean he even States so he what he said was I
was a very lonely person when all started I was in a place uh you know where violent criminals and that that
that he noticed that the worse and the more violent and the serious the crimes that the more that the Physicians would
take notice yeah and so there's a part of me that look I'm sorry you're lonely but you confess to these crimes and
there's a bunch of problems with this a whole lot of problems first problem is that you sat in the courtroom and and
these families had to listen to this [ __ ] that you were saying and they had to relive this
traumatic experience for them that you're just one just making up and then on top of that so they do get
some closure at some point but then years later when you come out and just go H just kidding right then they then
they relive the horror again and the fact that you know the statue of limitation
is up so there there's a bunch of these crimes that law enforcement could have kept
working but they thought the case was closed because you confessed to it right yeah the the thing here is regarding the
family members it's it's unimaginable that they had to sit through a trial and not only hear these
horrible things that he says he did to their loved one MH but then they're not even true I mean he completely
fabricated these events and they unnecessarily had to sit through something and hear that and live with
that in their minds and in their memories and in their hearts for years and years and years until he says well I
didn't do it uh and furthermore they're never going to solve the the case of your murdered loved one because I I took
the blame and I got rewarded for it and on top of that now there's no there's nobody to investigate this case now
because of because the statute of limitations is passed um well and it's it's it's suffering beyond belief well
to be clear to the listeners so then what happens is when they once they actually get the lawyer and they retry
all this stuff all all those charges are dropped MH and and Thomas then goes out
to the public and actually one of his brothers which I feel is it's very kind of his brother to say well you know you
are my brother you did all this stuff and I don't know why you did it you know but uh you know we can try to rebuild a
relationship and they kind of do rebuild a relationship my question is is why wasn't he charged for lying under oath
why isn't he charged you know for something for that you know wasting people's time um hurting family members
for no reason yeah we want we want to be very clear here we you know there might be some people out
there that are of the mindset that that Thomas Qui is some kind of victim in this whole thing
um I I can't help it Captain but I don't feel any pity towards him um well no that look here's here's the thing that I
you know I I can think of you know like we said you know to to be at a really young age and to discover that you are
you know homosexual in a time where that's not not well received or welcomed at all not
only a time but also the place mhm and I could not even imagine what that must feel like right
and I think because he didn't know how to handle that and Society wasn't accept accepting of that
which they should be and should have been that he turned to drug use to tried to combat these feelings that he was
having or try to I think to just try to cope with it self-medicate mhm and that turned into
again that him attacking that boy is not a homosexual activity no that's pedophilia yes that and you can lock
that guy up or you can put gasoline on him and light that [ __ ] on fire I don't give a [ __ ] well remember the
the Young man uh that he stabbed 12 times you know this this is now A A Very Old Man as well as Thomas quick is but
he's he's extremely angry that Thomas quick is out and walking around you know he he says you know this guy he ruined
my life he stabbed me 12 times tried to kill me he tried to kill me he hit organs inside my body with a knife he
left me there for Dead He's physically changed me forever and now he's out walking around the thing is this is such
a tough case though Captain because you know you you you kind of sit on the fence and you wonder you know did would
Thomas quick would he have eventually went on to kill I I think he was going that route yeah I think he was going
that route if he would have stayed on the drugs and the drinking and everything it looked to me like this was
going to happen that he might have potentially turned into the monster that he claimed to be well well further more
turned into the monster I think he already was yeah that monster I mean when you look you any attack on a child
like I said D that [ __ ] and gasoline I don't give a [ __ ] you know got better things to do with my life um
th those people shouldn't exist to me so anyways but but yeah so he has these things and they let him go and maybe
through some of the therapy he's reability you know maybe that he's somewhat reab abilitate I guess but uh I
and the tough thing for us here you know we we normally do you know cases in the
states yeah so it's kind of hard to understand what their laws are and why this took place but it's like and I and
and I'm all for the idea that some people just have some mental issues and so that needs to be there there needs to
be that separation where okay yeah this was a crime but this was a crime just due to mental illness there you go MH
you go to the hospital the secure Hospital uh this one was because you're just a piece of [ __ ] you go to prison
mhm I look I understand that but uh but some of their stuff with Sweden I don't understand so it's kind of hard to
comment on it well and it's also pointing out the fact that we we have seen time and time again in these
different cases the ramifications of false confessions and this is kind of seeing it from a different angle under a
different light uh the way that it can affect people all all right well but what are your final thoughts on this
matter I think we have a situation here where we have a guy that um you know people can people falsely confess to
things for different reasons sometimes it's because you have an overaggressive investigator who's interrogating you and
you're in a high stress situation and you're trying to relieve yourself of some of the stress some people confess
for that reason for for here we see I believe somebody that was seeking reward and almost seeking to be a part of
something or be somebody or be somebody you're exactly right I don't know that he was seeking fame you know sometimes
people will confess to famous crimes because they want to be famous well I think he enjoyed some of that as it was
happening some of the notoriety that came along with it but I think ultimately he I I think we have a person
that was on a bad road with with drugs and alcohol and it was leading him to extremely violent um and illegal
behavior and I think that it could have progressed to murder at some point had he not been locked up and and started
receiving treatment the problem is that during this treatment he starts confessing to things that he didn't do
why you know at at the same time when he's confessing think about what's going on in the world Silence of the Lambs was
coming out Jeffrey dmer was was in the news constantly yeah well one you know one of the confessions the one of the
things that he said he did to one of the victims was actually something he stole
from American Psycho yes he's he's reading about this stuff and a lot of but he was reading about that stuff CU
he also had access to it so not only could he confess to something he could actually look up certain crimes and then
when they start doing the trauma therapy oh by the way guess what I just realized that this this crime that I was
looking up last week on the internet that you weren't monitoring yeah I did that one right right right and you're
exactly right he he was reading about you know finding these crimes in in old newspapers and magazines and on the
internet and he was s he was getting some details about them and confessing to them and I think and what they do
give them a larger room give them an extra room give them the internet and I think it's somebody that that was this
guy's living better than people that do podcast that did bad things and found themselves in a situation where they
felt that you know they could manipulate the situation and receive reward by falsely confessing to things well let me
tell you something right me so the doctors wanted to believe that they were correct yeah they wanted to be like
these breakthrough we're coming up with this this stuff that's light years of past
anything you guys are doing right and the law enforcement wanted to believe it I think part that part I'm I'm not
putting more blame on them cuz they're L trying to listen to doctors but it's just laziness you know if that if it
doesn't line up and he's confessing to it you go hey dummy yeah this this doesn't line up you're right you're
right but it does get tough for these investigators that are being pulled aside by the doctor constantly going
just give it a chance just give it a chance you know you're you're listening to another trained professional you you
believe their opinion yeah and and part of it is that they also think they're doing a good thing you know like well
you know we're going to get Justice for this family and so I I feel for them on that part um but I think at the end end
of the day uh he has a lot of guilt he has to deal with it and and what he said um cuz what is that documentary called
because people could check out that documentary if they're interest confessions of Thomas quick yeah the
confessions of Thomas quick that's on Netflix but what he said at the end which I thought was pretty interesting
he said I bear the guilt and will do so uh to my grave uh towards the victims families they listen to me and my voice
and my [ __ ] in the courtroom that guilt and dismay is something I will carry until I die and as he should it it
offers no relief to any of these families but it it gives me some relief to hear that he is remorseful for this
well and our thoughts and and our hearts go out to the families and and all the people that were affected by one a
tragedy but then also the the tragic second coming of a tragedy because of Thomas quick uh and so yeah he he will
have to live with that and I I would not be surprised if he did commit a crime uh
later on in life just wouldn't be I I hope not I hope he's learned his lessons I hope he's dealt with rehabilitated as
well well I've hoped that he's dealt with some of his demons and and maybe with the support of his family and
support of friends that he it will stay on the right side of the law and uh that
wraps up this case which is kind kind of interesting for us cuz we've been doing
so many two-parters mhm so uh but we'll be back tomorrow with a little uh special special episode 100th episode of
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Born Sture Bergwall, Thomas Quick was a chosen name. This man was also known as the Sater Man and Sweden's worst serial killer. He has been convicted of unspeakable crimes. He has confessed to stabbings, stranglings, rape, incest and cannibalism. But his confessions told us little about Thomas Quick and even less about Sture Bergwall. Tonight we review the confessions and the crimes and ask an important question. Who is Mr. Quick?

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Brief Summary

Thomas Quick, a notorious Swedish serial killer, falsely confessed to numerous murders, leading to wrongful convictions and a complex psychological saga.

Key points

Confessions of a Monster. Quick's chilling admissions include stabbings, rapes, and cannibalism, revealing a dark psyche.
Thomas Quick: Sweden's Most Evil Killer. Thomas Quick, born Stuart Bergwall, confessed to over 30 brutal murders, shocking the world.
A Disturbing Influence. Quick's influence led to his accomplice's suicide, showcasing his manipulative nature.
The Disappearance of Johan Asplin. The case of Johan Asplin captivated Sweden, leading to a massive search effort.
Thomas Quick's Confessions. Thomas Quick confessed to multiple murders, detailing horrific acts of violence and cannibalism.
Childhood Trauma Uncovered. Quick's confessions reveal a traumatic childhood filled with abuse, shaping his violent behavior.

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He wished the victim would have been a boy.

A chilling admission from Thomas Quick about his crimes.

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