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grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] [Music] oh January 2001 a young man not even 30 years of
age named Scott Ponder decided to start up his own business Scott was a very passionate
motorcycle Enthusiast so he took his love and knowledge of motorcycles and decided to
open up a motorcycle and power sports dealership called Superbike Motorsports in chzn South
Carolina Scott's best friend Brian Lucas was hired as the first employee of of Superbike Brian shared the same
enthusiasm for all things to wield and Brian had the skills to service and repair
motorbikes so Brian became the Shop's service manager the store became a quick success Scott used the internet to
increase his customer base and boost sales and Superbikes saw more than 1 million in sales in the store's first
year Scott's mom Beverly guy became a helpful hand at her son's business often times she would run errands for her
son's store and Scott enjoyed having her around the shop so he hired her as the company's
bookkeeper in 2002 the business saw continued success in 2003 as super bike's business increased so would the
employee roster scotton Bryan hired a skilled young man named Chris Schubert to be a
mechanic Superbike Motorsports really had become the place to go for all things Motorsports so people would go into the
store to make purchases seek expert advice or sometimes just hang out and talk shop on Thursday November 6th 2003 NL
Lee a regular at Superbike and close friend of Scott Ponder called the store at 230 p.m. to tell Ponder's mother
Beverly that he was coming there to drop off some tickets to a motorcycle race that would be held the next night at the
boo Center no planned to go with Ponder and Lucas Beverly told null that they would
be at the shop and to go ahead and drop in null took a shower and then left his house and he arrived at Superbike around
300 p.m. n pulled into the parking lot and he saw his friend Brian Lucas lying face up in the front entrance of the
shop null parked his BMW next to Beverly's car when he got out of his vehicle he noticed Scott Ponder's body
Scott's body was in a puddle of blood his head on the pavement his body partially on the concrete sidewalk and
partially under his mother's car Brian Lucas's body was propping the shattered glass door open n stepped over his
friend's body and ran inside the shop and over to the telephone on the parts counter he called
911 at the same time null is yelling to Brian and Scott telling them that he was
getting them some help while no was on the phone with the 911 operator he saw Scott's mother Beverly she was laying on
the floor just outside the bathroom of the large showroom which was located in the middle
of the Superbike store she was not moving and there was blood around her null told the operator that there
should be a fourth person Chris sherbet somewhere in in the store but he was advised not to go
wandering around the store the operator told n for his own safety he needed to go
outside the police and paramedics are on their way to Superbike and you need to get out of the
store the minutes he waited outside were long ones as help arrived Lee sat across
the street in the grass trying to convince himself that everything he had just experienced was not real and that
his friends were still alive when paramedics and police arrived they found Scott Brian and Beverly all were dead
upon arrival they found Chris sheret in the very back of the store he had been shot
once in the head and was slumped over a motorcycle that he had been working on in that short time between the time
null had called the store and arrived at the store all hell had broken loose because sometimes between 2:30 p.m. and
300 p.m. on that Thursday in November someone had walked into the superbike Motorsports store and shot the owner his
mother and both employees in the head this is true crime [Music] garage [Music] the crime became known as the super bike
murders and it seemed as senseless as it was coldblooded nothing was was taken from
the store this was not a robbery in fact an envelope of cash was lying it was left lying in plain sight MH police
searched for leads and they pursued a variety of theories Sheriff Bill coffee and his investigators they interviewed
dozens of people and they followed dozens of tips within the weeks that followed but before we get into some of
those leads Captain I want to talk about a few strange things here that that were
right out of the gate with this case mhm so just days after the superbike murders
law enforcement they're on record stating that there were some similarities to another crime that had
occurred that same year this is the May 2003 triple homicide that took place at Blue Ridge Savings Bank both locations
were somewhat isolated and the the investigators thought that the attacks did not appear
to be random now both of the these attacks involved some execution style shootings which resulted in multiple
homicides so they're stating that we're seeing some similarities here as to what
we saw with the superbike murders now at this Bank uh in May of 2003 at the Blue
Ridge Bank the bank teller Sylvia hortz claw she was killed along with two customers James and Margaret Burns were
both killed in that incident the thing that seems strange to me Captain is that they come out right of the gate saying
that we think that there's some similarities here the big problem for me is immediately there's one very
different issue is that the bank that absolutely was a robbery right it was a takeover yeah and the the super bike
situation we we see money left in plain sight and this was a very successful business this Superbike Motorsports and
think about it they're selling High ticket items you know motorcycles are not cheap you know you don't just walk
in there and pay 50 bucks and walk out of there with a motorcycle that' be awesome if you did I would have I would
have at least three but another strange thing in this Captain I find to be very strange is
that Scott Ponder he's the uh young man that owned the super bike store MH he's the son of William Dean Ponder and now
William Dean Ponder is a man that went missing 13 years before Scott was killed at his store now there's no evidence to
suggest that these cases are any way connected at all according to uh investigators but just to give you a
quick rundown of that scenario of the of his father's situation that was way back in August of
1993 where William Dean Ponder spent the evening with friends at a place called Jay's Tavern this was pretty close to
his home his friends stated that they dropped him off at the Martin feed mill at the intersection of Paris Bridge Road
and Martin Camp Road now the man was never seen or heard from again William's father was the one that reported him
missing uh reported him missing on September 2nd now William I guess had a criminal record which dated back to 1976
and included charges for drug and alcohol offenses property crimes and weapons violations well it's possible
that that law enforcement knew more about money possibly and so maybe when they say it's similar to the bank
takeover is there some kind of money that was taken that they didn't know about or was the attacker for forced to
flee the building before he could he or she or they could make off with whatever
they intended to to get from the store right um regarding his father William was released from prison just two months
before his disappearance and I guess Foul Play is a strong suspicion in that case because in 2006 a former
acquaintance of Williams told police that William had in fact been murdered um he has been declared legally dead but
his remains to this date have never been found I wanted to make sure that we brought that up because that is a
strange thing that that you find when you first start looking at these super bike murders you're like wait a second
oh my God this guy's father has disappeared mhm you almost feel like there's something somebody uh working
and plotting against the family but as we said investigators state that they don't see any connection between the two
crimes now back to the leads that we discussed now Scott Ponder was a bright young businessman we said that his young
business was was very successful over a million dollars in sales its first year so of course Superbike Motorsports was
located on a road and situated in town where a lot of vehicles are going to drive past this big business during the
course of of a daily you know everyone's daily routines so the first leads by law
enforcement were that there was three cars that were seen at Super bikes that day and the sheriff's department they
started working with a Graphics Company to draw up computerized composits of the
vehicles that were seen at the shop on that fateful day now the vehicles that were seen at the shop earlier in the day
are described as follows the first was was believed to possibly be an early '90s small red Chevy Cavalier or
possibly a Honda Civic M with like a boxy rear and then the other vehicle scene was a late model Chevrolet Z71
pickup truck described as a medium blue with factory wheels and chrome exhaust and chrome bed rails and here's a very
good detailed item regarding the truck the truck had a 45 Day South Carolina tag on the back now when the sheriff
released this information to the public he was smart to remind all of us that you know someone with a truck matching
this description or if you see one call it in do not dismiss a truck of this description simply because it no longer
has the 45-day tag on the back those things expire and uh could be switched out at really at any time MH now the
Third vehicle Captain was a sporty small light blue pickup truck making model unknown
there was another lead and this lead was a man and a woman were seen near the dealership around the time of the
murders and then shortly again after the murders both were known drug users with
Shady reputations it took some time but police were able to track these two down
and it turns out that the lead fizzled out pretty quickly they were cleared of having any involvement plus you have to
wonder too if two addicts were went into this place looking for for money committed the crime why did they leave
such a large amount of cash behind and not take anything now in the weeks that followed the massacre n Lee remember
he's the man that that arrived at Superbike store only to find his friends had been killed well he says that he
didn't have time to grieve for his friends instead he found himself under the scrutinizing eye of homicide
detectives well he was the last one to call the shop he found them and he has no alibi before that time that he showed
up to the shop yeah and I guess technically you know we're we're going off of what he says he found and so
technically he has no alibi for his time at the shop as well one thing that's very strange with this guy um is he had
a cell phone on him and that that called into question a lot of his actions because police were immediately like
well if you saw your two friends murdered right out in front of the shop mhm the danger could still be in the
shop the killer could still be be in there right why would you why would you practically leap over the body of your
friend run into the store and use the store's phone to call 911 now he stated simply this that when
he saw his friends killed in the parking lot M he just kind of forgot like you know what I mean like nothing really
made sense to him he kind of forgot everything he was I think he immediately went into shock and just kind of went on
instincts at that point well fight or flight right M and he he for some whatever reason just kind of shot into
the store and picked up the phone of the store but at least he called 911 the tricky thing too is that he tells the
911 operator after he sees you know he didn't see Beverly guy killed until he was on the phone with the operator and
at some point well he didn't see her dead right and at some point he tells the operator this and then says you know
there should be a fourth person in the building mhm the operator tells him well you need to get out of the building to
which he does you know he follows the direction of the operator again because he was in shock now somebody's telling
him hey you probably should be outside and he's like oh yeah and I think that probably makes more sense I think that
the investigators found it pretty curious that he happened to know that there were four people in the store and
four people were ultimately found dead there but like we said he was a regular he he was good friends with Brian good
friends with Scott and he would have known what was going on at the store he would have had a good
idea hey there's anytime the store's open there's four people here right when it's like back in the day when I taught
guitar lessons I mean people would come into the store they would never see me there I was in the back room teaching
guitar lessons but regular customers that came in once a week or twice a week they knew what days I was there on so if
something happened at the store they'd easily be able to say there was probably a teacher in the back you know I know
he's there you know Monday through Thursday or whatever so the the fact that they find that
suspicious I mean this guy is dropping off tickets to them you see what I mean like it seems like he has a a closer
relationship than just customer um store relationship well I'm glad you bring that up because I don't know that
everybody will fully identify with how these kind of stores run you know so this whole this whole business is based
off of a hobby and some people people that are into Motorsports people that are into guitars and music right they're
usually pretty hardcore about those Hobbies those are serious timec consuming hobbies that and expensive
expensive as well and you know this from working at the guitar store that people
sometimes would drop in just to kill time oh yeah we had regular customers that would probably show up like I said
once or twice a week and sometimes they're not there to buy anything sometimes it's it's just part of their
routine it's become part of their weekly deal where they're like I got an extra hour and a half I'm going to drop by
this the guitar shop see if they got anything new in see what see what the captain's up to you know just kind of
shoot the [ __ ] so to speak is what a lot of them do come in and talk shop yeah
and then if you didn't see them for a couple weeks when they came in the first thing you said Is Where Have You Been
yeah oh you know I just got busy and they'd always say but every week if they came in uh if they came in on a Monday
they'd say hey got anything new in they came in two days later you got anything new in mhm and that was just but half
the time you would't even talk about guitars you just kind of talk about life or whatever it it was like hanging out
with your music buddies well no Lee the man that arrived at the superbike to find his friends murdered they
fingerprinted him they dusted his car he submitted to a li detector test he sat through hours and hours and hours of
questioning and it took quite a bit of time and quite a bit of work on law enforcement's part but at some point law
enforcement they say that no Lee he was eventually cleared by the police I don't
know the details of them clearing him but that's their statement to the public this guy didn't have anything to do with
the murders of these four people now this is tragic of course these four good people they are killed and as I said
before I understand why he was a suspect in fact I I would have some strong thoughts about his story as well I have
read and seen many interviews with this guy though captain and and I hope no has
fully recovered from this by this point in time but there is no doubt in my mind
if you see this guy in interviews and you read his words mhm this guy suffered from some serious PTSD from from this
incident yeah well these these were his friends yeah you know so like I said he was stopping by to drop off tickets to
event I mean that like I said that goes beyond customer store relationship this was their friend and yes you have to
look at him because he is the one that found them mhm M but I don't think his story is odd I don't think his story is
so odd that makes you have to look at him I think you just have to look at him because he was the one that was there
and found them and called 911 and you have to at least um rule him out or in as a suspect now it took more than a
month for detectives to track down a very important witness but they were able to interview possibly the last
person other than the killer or Killers to see the four victims alive this was a
custom who was in the shop just minutes before the shooting this is a man by the
name of Kelly cisk this witness told the sheriff's department that he saw a man in the dealership when he was in there
and he recalled how the unknown man in the shop had inquired about a specific motorcycle and spoke as if he had little
to no knowledge about bikes so much so that the so much so that the customer found this guy's
Behavior to be strange and offputting like to the point where even if even if nothing else would have happened that
day he made a mental note of this dude because the conversation was weird now Kelly cisk was in there simply to pay a
payment his son had some type of I don't know if it was like an ATV or a quad or
something like that but he had some kind of recreational vehicle that they had purchased there and he said you know
once once a month I would drop by and make a payment on that but I would also you know if I went in to make a payment
I would be in there for a half an hour to minutes cuz I'm looking at the bikes I'm talking shop this guy comes in he's
talking doesn't know what he's talking about and then I leave and then the place is shot up
later right the the weird thing too is they brought Kelly back to the dealership after the murders took place
and I don't know how many days afterwards this was but they were walking him through the store and they
wanted him to point out anything to them that that looked different than when he
was last in the store what what was different about this store from the time that you left to now to after these
murders have happened and he stated he told the detectives that you know the bike that that guy was talking to the
store owner about it was a black motorcycle he said he found when they walked him through it he they found that
bike in the back of the store he said no when I was in here this guy was talking
to him about this bike and it was in the showroom so sometime between Kelly CIS leaving the store that bike had made its
way from the showroom to the back of the store so I think this shows us that we're working with a pretty good lead a
a really good tip here and this produced a description and a sketch of this off-putting man the description was a of
a white man 25 to 40 years of age approximately six foot tall 175 to 200 PBS with dark brown feathered hair let's
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[Music] all right we're back cheers mes cheers now as one would expect the detectives
looked into the lives of the victims to try to find a reason someone would want to kill them Brian Scott and Beverly did
not seem to have any bad blood between them or anyone else now of course police always examine the the victim's family
as well and close friends and Melissa Ponder this is Scott's wife she would be no exception so of course she is called
into the station on several occasions in the months that followed the murders during one visit to the police station
Melissa changed her baby's diaper during this visit the police unbeknownst to Melissa kept the diaper and after
Melissa you know after Melissa had thrown it away They confiscated this thing okay so this diaper is taken by
the police police and it's later sent to a lab to test the DNA DNA samples had been collected from all four victims at
the murder scene upon running the sample from the diaper against that of samples
collected at the Superbike store right police determined that Scott was not actually the father of this baby what in
fact the test results said that Brian Scott's close friend and employee was the baby's father so this is a huge
issue for any number of reasons not to mention Brian was married as well they confronted the police
confronted Melissa with this information and she flatly denied the possibility that anyone that anyone other than Scott
was the father of her baby mhm so she requested that they do a second DNA test that a second test be done well they did
and for a second time the test came back with the same results saying Brian was the father not Scott okay so does she
still deny it well there's there's a little more to the story cuz at that point Melissa decides to quit speaking
with police about the case and she's not willing she she will talk with them but
at this point she lawyers up and she's not talking with them unless the lawyer is present and often the lawyer was
recommending that she do not speak to them at all right now people everywhere they started to think that Melissa
obviously had something to do with these murders right now it took roughly and I say I say roughly but as
it comes as the words come out of my mouth I could only imagine how rough it actually was but it took roughly 18
months that passed before the cloud of Suspicion surrounding Melissa would disappear okay all right friends and
family of the victims they weren't even sure what to think at this point at some
point Beverly this is Scott's mom remember who worked at the store as well right well the police decided that they
should run her DNA against her son's Scott's DNA okay to see if anything funny was going on there the tests were
run and then the results well what comes back is it's not a match okay so something very strange is going on here
right yeah or bad lab work there you go because after a lot of investigating and
examining what possibly could have happened they realized that Scotts and Brian's DNA samples had been mixed up
for some reason so this poor lady right she loses her husband and then you say hey um by
the way we took the sample this diaper we took the diaper we took some [ __ ] right and we went down to our lab and we
tested it and came out that Scott is not the you know it's like Mory or something
right it's like he is not the father and she's going wait a second he is the father there's no possibility no no
Brian's a father she's probably thinking because she's telling the truth right right she's probably she knows she's
telling the truth right she knows if who she slept with and who she didn't sleep
with if she's saying there's no way in hell well and the samples probably could have been they could have been mixed up
when they were collected at the crime scene because remember these two poor guys were laying next to each each other
they may have just been mislabeled from the get-go so this means obviously that Melissa was telling the truth Scott was
the father of her baby Beverly was Scott's mother just like everyone had always thought forever right so suddenly
it doesn't look so suspicious that Melissa was only willing to speak with law enforcement with a lawyer present
well it makes you start wondering the competency of the law enforcement yeah the other thing though too is we have to
think about this because she's trying to help them investigate the murder of her
husband the the murder of her son's father and then at some point they are telling her this is not Scott's baby I'm
sure she's like oh my God they're they're they're trying to pin this thing on me yeah well she and then once she
knows that they're full of [ __ ] she's probably thinking man these window lickers how are they going to solve the
case well this is the shittiest test I've ever heard of right so but just a real quick note here captain on kind of
uh conflicting theories that were presented by persons closest to the case we have the investigators that believe
that the gunman uh was armed with a pistol or handgun and he entered the shop from the back of the building and
killed Chris sherbet first while he was working on the motorcycle that they later found him slumped over mhm they
believe then the gunman walked through the shop toward the middle of the building then killed Beverly at the
showroom then Brian Lucas at the main doorway and Scott Ponder in the parking lot now null who found the bodies he
says that you know he kind of disagrees with their theories and with the rumors that he had been hearing around town the
rumors he was hearing was that Scott and Brian were potentially running from the
store running from the shop to get away from someone mhm and he thinks that that
what he thinks is more likely having known these guys is that possibly Scott was trying to diffuse some type of
Confrontation that was actually outside of the store when the shots were fired and Brian ran out to Scott's
Aid so just a couple of opinions from persons closest to the case I think I think there's a chance that that both
could be right in a sense that what seems pretty clear though is regardless of the order of the attack and how it
took place Chris sherbet he's working on the bike in the back of the building right and he apparently is unaware that
there was any type of danger at all when he was shot so either he was surprised or had little to know time to react to
what was going on or what was going to happen to him yeah well you wonder how loud it was in the shop because if let's
say it's pretty loud I didn't take that into consideration but let's say you have some music blasting right right so
then or you're wrenching yeah yeah right some noises happening with your tools and there's a conversation with Scott in
the front with this suspect mhm and it gets heated he shoots Scott then Brian's coming out to help
Scott he gets shot he makes his way into the store to to kill the mother but then
he goes around the store to the back mhm where they would be working on the bike
and that's why he would be shot without knowing it's unlikely to me that they would not hear three gunshots but again
depends on how loud the noise is and some people will wear like noise cancelling headphones when they're
working with loud tools or earplugs right uh so we do see you know the detectives chasing leads working them
ultimately to the the point where they start clearing suspects we start seeing the people closest to the victims
getting cleared as suspects specifically the wives and then the friend that found
the bodies leads that were called in about strange people or suspicious people uh that were shared by Witnesses
those were worked and cleared as well with the exception of the lead provided by Kelly cisk and that's the best lead
because when you have a guy that obviously doesn't know what he's talking about or that's what this lead was
saying and then that same bike that that suspect was talking about is on you know
in the back up working on it went from the showroom to the to the service room mhm you know that again that' be like
and all I'm doing is going off of like guitar store knowledge but if some guy came in and he was looking at uh Flying
V right and he said oh yeah I like this Flying V but I'd like to buy it we'd put
it on the the workbench to do a couple tweaks to it before the guy bought it right and so if that guy then shot up
the store and left it well see what I'm saying right well the thing though is okay so Kelly Kelly doesn't know who
this guy is which is which is also strange in a way because this shop had a lot of quote unquote regulars mhm you
know so when he's describing this guy he's saying not only did he not know what he was talking about regarding
motorcycles he's no he's no one that I've ever seen in the store before right and furthermore and this does not come
out very early in the investigation I think this came out quite late but we would later find out that the the bike
the black motorcycle that Chris had been working on or doing something with when he was
shot and ultimately found slumped over that bike right that bike had a a bill of sale written up for that bike but
there was no customer name written on the bill of sale so they they really believed that that just seconds before
this attack went down the bike made its way to the back of the store maybe Chris
took it back there or or it was walked back to him MH somebody's ringing up a bill of sale or writing it out and then
the attacks must have went down right there before they could get this customer's name right and you think a
crime that is this vicious it seems like the subject would have to know at least one or more of the victims but we
don't have really any evidence saying that is true and where we see the um what we had referred to as the
incompetence with the mixing up of the DNA samples MH that that's a little tricky because you know does that fall
on the the crime scene texts did they did they simply label those wrong but regardless if you're going to come out
with an accusation like that maybe yeah you should double Che you should double check your work yeah I mean it it's one
thing to make a mistake it's another thing to not double check and then make accusations like that because um again
this this person is a victim and now you're you're going out I mean just to put in the Public's eyes that hey your
son's father is not his father that makes her look like a pretty shitty person well not only that not only is he
not the father but his his good friend maybe best friend and coworker right or employee is the real father and the
thing is you know people's people's lives and mindsets can be fragile especially a victim of this nature and
to throw that out there you I mean you really could be pushing somebody over the edge to committing suicide or doing
something doing something completely off the off the wall yeah law enforcement's
lucky that she's of strong mind mhm now one thing that I do think that they did well though that that the investigators
did well and I I liken this to an old FBI tactic where when they released the description of this last known man to be
in the Superbike store this this fake customer guy when they release the description and the sketch of him they
specifically say this guy's not a suspect he we're not considering him him a suspect he he is somebody that we
would like to talk to we would like for him to come forward because we believe that he could provide information that
could help solve these cases or maybe he actually saw the real last person that was in the store right unfortunately
this man does not come forward and the now famous case known as the superbike murders or to local law enforcement as
simply super bikes was at a standstill this case was still being worked from time to time now on the anniversary of
the murders on the one two or even five and 10 years after the quad homicide the
phone would ring at the police station and somebody would provide some information that would ultimately be
useless to the solving of the crimes but no matter how cold this case was super bikes was always on the mind
of the good men and women at the sheriff's department and on the hearts and minds of the people in the community
and it just makes you wonder what like their policy or what the procedure was for writing a bill of sale and why there
wasn't somebody's name on that bill of sale MH I wonder too I mean this points out to me Captain that the people
selling the bike right may not have known the man's name and and I know that sounds silly but I mean they don't know
his name by he's not a regular at the store it's more confirmation of that maybe they had to ask him for a driver's
license or something of that nature before they legitimately put it on the bill of sale right but now we have to
fast forward to 13 years later late in 2016 in a in a completely different story here Captain this is taking place
in Anderson South Carolina we have 32-year-old Charles Carver he had recently been through a bitter divorce
and he's now living in an apartment at the Anderson Crossing Apartments complex with his 30-year-old girlfriend Kayla
Brown now Charles who is described as a super downto Earth great country guy he works at First Quality
Enterprises Kayla who did a stint in the US Army After High School was working at
a de dialysis center uh she started working there in 2013 mhm the happy boyfriend and girlfriend they were very
social people uh easy to get along with and could often be seen walking their little pomeranian dog named
Romeo and like Romeo Romeo like a whole bunch of us Charles and Kayla they used Facebook to stay up to date with you
know with their friends and family and such M both were tight with their families and both were considered to be
very reliable and dependable people then one day in early September of 2016 people started to take notice it
seems no one had seen either Charles or Kayla in quite some time both were missing work and people started to
wonder who's taking care of their little dog Romeo right they were both reported
missing and authorities started looking for the couple and started trying to determine where they were last seen and
heard from now according to police reports from the Anderson Police Department Charles's mother Claudia had
been unable to reach him since she says August 29th 2016 so how long is that well they
weren't reported missing until early September and then we have Kayla Brown's friend Leah Miller she told police that
she had last heard from Kayla on August 31st but this was in the form of a short
text message right the message just simply said are you awake I guess Leah did not answer that text until later
that day but when she did reply to the text she never heard anything back from Kayla so Charles's car had vanished as
well the couple's cell phones eventually went dead even their beloved dog was you
know he's at home without food or water right now August 31st the August 31st text Captain is believed to be the last
communication from either one of these people and this is until we start seeing some activity in September in October
these are odd postings that appear on Facebook okay they're posting them well there were several news articles
reporting the story okay from time to time about the uh the missing people but then there's also some news articles
that come out and they start reporting this uh one in particular is from the daily Beast stated that the facts pretty
clearly state that someone is pretending to be this missing couple on Facebook and they're adding that ever
since Charlie Carver Charles Carver and Caleb Brown vanished someone had been adding life events on Facebook and even
messaging their friends okay so that's strange yeah they simply asked a simple question here
could this be the ex-wife remember we talked about a bitter divorce right now according to this article from The Daily
Beast Charlie Carver's Facebook page tells the story of a man that was currently in love at the time of his
disappearance but it also states that on July 1st Carver posted that he and his girlfriend were expecting a daughter and
then on August 1st the two bought a house together and then on September first the couple got married now what
horrified Charles's friends and family was that all of these happy new Milestones on his timeline were logged
retroactively right they weren't logged until October 1st which was more than a month after the time that the two were
considered to have been missing right I don't know much about these uh life post
or life events but it is weird that they're posting them after I'm guessing what it is is like if you
got a new job September 1st that sometimes people don't post that they got a job September 1st they might wait
wait a couple weeks see how it goes right but the fact that there's all these you know we're we're expecting a
kid we got married uh for people that are very involved with their family um even if it was true you'd
start wondering well what the heck's going on with this couple they're not communicating with anybody in their
family mhm and you know so everybody's wondering the there's got to be someone out there that's posing as Charles and
still sending messages to his friends the first week of October do we have any idea of what kind of
messages uh well there was there was this incident that the first week of October sometime in the first week of
October someone had uploaded and then quickly deleted an old picture of the couple mhm um and there was
caption that that came along with the picture that just said we are fine right and then that was deleted yeah and then
the missing couple's case it was starting to gain more and more attention from the media as these things were
happening and then there came a particularly cryptic post this was on well before this I mean as far as law
enforcement goes again yes these people are close with their family but it's not
too far out of the realm to think that they just went missing because they wanted to then they are still active on
Facebook I mean it has to be in the back of your head that this could be them posting this
stuff yeah you know what I mean yeah absolutely the the but the really odd thing is that the purchasing of the
house right is weird to me because yeah do people do people get pregnant do couples get pregnant and decide to get
married and they take off it happens it does happen right but rarely would I say
do we see somebody say oh we bought a house and then you know 30 days later we're we're we're at a Dodge right you
can't find us anywhere and furthermore where's this house right they were still living in the apartment complex when
when they we last seen right that would be real shitty people like hey we now got a house but we're going to leave the
dog behind right now that we have more space for the dog unfortunately there are people out there that there are
people do that stuff so so regarding this cryptic post that was put on Charles Carver's Facebook page uh the
post that that gained a lot of attention in the media was this it was it read last thing I remember I was running for
the door I had to find the passage back to the place I was before relax said the
night man we are programmed to receive you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave Hotel California MH
by the Eagles M now since their disappearance we said that these messages started to appear uh and they
were retroactively put on their Facebook page but during those couple of months here we have Charles's family who they
very quickly showed up after they reported him missing they took the dog to care for the dog good good people
they even paid the rent for the couple's apartment for a couple of months and then one day Charles's family they
showed up and they backed up a truck and they packed up all of the couple's belongings and they took off right this
would be very difficult on the family meanwhile you know while all this scary crazy stuff is going on with the missing
couples's Facebook pages police have an active missing persons case going on and
they are working this case from every angle mhm Anderson Police investigators they were able to obtain a warrant or a
court order for cell phone records from AT&T this is Caleb Brown's cell phone service provider police wanted to use
technology to try to locate the missing couple they wanted to see if they could locate Kayla's last cell phone signal
now this is not as simple as it may sound this isn't the more common GPS technology most people are familiar with
that you know would that would only work if Kayla had location service turned on
or like find my phone feature turned on instead what the investigators were able
to obtain they obtained cell phone records that would show which cell phone towers Kayla's phone had connected to up
until the moment that the phone had died yeah these are look these are true crime
listeners right they all know about cell phone ping technology well I I know that
Captain I bring this up only because there are some specific details within this investigation that may be a little
different from what we typically hear what we're used to right okay so just in case there's one or two people out there
that don't know the the the cell phone is always searching for the closest or strongest signal so cell towers keep a
log of these pings you know when when the two two connect with each other there's a ping so since pings are being
sent constantly between multiple Towers records will then allow law enforcement later to triangulate a phone's location
based on the strength of the pings between the towers right well to triangulate this and to really narrow it
down to a specific location you need three towers mhm in this situation this situation is quite a bit is quite more
difficult because this situation we only have two towers that are nearby right because is
a rural area so becomes a lot harder right having two towers nearby versus three gives a
larger search area mhm because the search area should be based on where the two towers where the where the tower
signals overlap right so here you would only have two rather than three what they discovered in Kayla's cell phone
situation that it had pinged indicating Kayla's phone was in a town 50 mil North
Northeast of where the two had lived and the phone was sending a signal up to 2 days after she was last seen on August
31st and these pings were coming from the location of Woodruff South Carolina so Captain we have the superbike
quadruple homicide that takes place in 2003 and then 13 years later we have The Disappearance of this young couple
that's receiving media attention because of these strange Facebook post postings
mhm well what do the two of these cases have to do with one another we'll get to
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Episode 189 - 3pm on November 6th, 2003 someone walked into the Superbike Motorsports store in Chesnee, South Carolina and shot the owner, his mother and both employees in the head. The crime became known as “The Superbike Murders” and it seemed as senseless as it was cold-blooded. Nothing was taken from the store. It became one of the most famous cold cases in the state of South Carolina. Police refused to give up on the case and thirteen years later they got what they had been looking for but it started with the disappearance of a young couple.

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Brief Summary

The episode details the Superbike murders and their investigation, linking them to a later couple's disappearance.

Key points

Lee's Discovery. Lee arrives at the Superbike store only to find his friends murdered.
The Superbike Murders. A tragic event where four people were killed at a motorcycle dealership.
Strange Connections. Investigators find similarities between the Superbike murders and another crime.
The Important Witness. Detectives track down Kelly Cisk, the last person to see the victims alive.
DNA Test Shocker. A DNA test reveals shocking truths about the baby's paternity, leading to suspicion.
Confusion and Doubt. Melissa's insistence on Scott's paternity raises eyebrows as police investigate.

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