Toadies /// Off The Record /// Episode 23 | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] you know what I always think about this
is um when I'm when I leave here Captain you think about how handsome I am I do that that occupies most of my drive and
you sit there and wonder H for a guy that's so handsome why is he only on a podcast well actually what what I
actually think about is I passed the waffle house there's a new waffle house that is on my journey from my house to
the garage and I have to pass it both ways and you and I had many conversations about that beautiful fancy
new waffle house that they put in have you been there yet I've not been over there to throw down some extra Cris
crispy hash browns uh I've been there several times is it good I mean it's Waffle House yeah I've been to some bad
ones though my friend been to some bad ones I have not um but that's because I'm not a also if you go
to one of my pet peeves is when you go to a like a waffle house it's established restaurant it's
been around forever they don't have a bunch of options I know that you can get a
hamburger but don't you should have and you should know what your order is it that's the type of place you walk in you
don't need to see a menu and if you need to see a menu you shouldn't be going to
Waffle House in the first place one of my pet peeves bad food bad service so like I said I've been to a couple Bad
Ones been some really really damn good ones though too uh we got some updates to go through here today Captain this
show is sponsored by Waffle House that's right well the good ones anyway not the
bad ones this show is only sponsored by the good wff go to True Crime garage.com
right now to click on a map of the good Waffle House locations we tried them all
and we we we rated them by bottle caps so this this case that we covered a couple weeks ago the missing Fort Worth
Trio mhm now we do have an update on that and we did say going into that show that hey there's a good chance they're
going to go diving and looking for some evidence and some vehicles uh regarding this case Vehicles they thought possibly
were linked to this case yeah and I don't know if people if a couple people fell asleep while they were listening
but I got several emails from people saying hey guess what uh did you know they're going they're to dive this
weekend to look for some Vehicles I'm like did did I miss something didn't we cover that on the show yeah so anyway I
love when people go I don't know if you've seen this mhm now 98% of the time I have seen that um the other 2% I am so
happy that somebody shared information with me that I haven't seen so I guess keep doing it right I got 10 emails this
week that said I can't believe Nick that you didn't find Michael Peterson guilty
well I I kind of did kind yeah that was my favorite one I saw one where this lady just went off on you and I kept on
thinking what he said was the state didn't make a great case they didn't make a great case so I could but he was
still found guilty on that not such great case that they made but if I had if I held a gun to your head which you
did we unfortunately we did yes but that was the proper whiskey proper 12 whiskey
another sponsor of the show but only the good bottles not the bad bottles but you
did say that you would find him guilty if there was a gun to your head yes and so with the Fort Worth Trio with the
missing girls down in Fort Worth they successfully did the dive and I'm going to kind of give my off the Record
version of this whole deal okay so the the question is well if they recover anything from the lake and I believe
it's Ben Brook Lake uh if they recover anything from the lake well who is going to analyze this stuff who's going to
test it what are they specifically looking for and I do have to throw out a caveat here that I am kind of guessing
when I say this and the reason why there's some question about who would analyze what's found in that lake is
because the the dive itself was privately funded the local authorities the local police said look this is a
very expensive operation and more importantly very dangerous so we can't undertake this adventure if you can pull
these vehicles from the lake and this is what I believe is happening is that whatever they pull from the lake the
police are willing to analyze it and test it later at their facilities but they are not going to be actually diving
into the water sending people down there to which is hilarious pull these Vehicles out I know that your taxpayer
money goes to our department and goes to funding but this is too dangerous but if you want
to that's well I wonder what the liability is I wonder if there's some kind of like legal issues with that if
if they deem something to be too dangerous I mean they likely don't have a dive team like or or one that would
one that's uh has the ability to recover wreckage that's 40 feet below water right but
they would just be hiring a company to do it anyways but I just like the uh sentiment you know uh it's a little too
dangerous for us to do it but hey if you want to do it right no no no I I get I get your side of it I think what's
happened here is I think the the police are saying we don't have any anything to
suggest anything that would prove to us that what we would find down there has anything to do with any open case at all
right this is um so where's this lead coming from do we know yeah well so the brother uh
remember we discussed Rusty uh one of the missing girls Brothers this is a lead that he generated and I know that
we talked quite a bit bit saying that he had thought that one of the girls was still alive and coming back to Fort
Worth for Christmas time or or during the holidays from year to year I don't know that I was clear when uh we did the
show but Rusty has moved on from that theory that was a theory that he was actively pursuing years ago and I don't
know when he uh decided against that theory but at some point he did come around and he's looking into other
theories now the thought here is that somebody and I don't know this is this is rumor so I'm not going to say any
names specifically but I will say this the thought is that one of the persons that we named on the show somebody that
was named in this case in this story MH the captain so he had a vehicle that was
considered quote unquote his baby all right this was a 69 Javelin maybe something like that but it's a if you
it's a sports car um it would have been I think it was purple in color and this was this this guy's baby and supposedly
it took years and years and years to get this information somehow but somehow Rusty and his work his team of
investigators have stumbled upon the lead that this individual his vehicle that was his
baby suddenly and mysteriously disappears around the same time that the three girls disappeared and so his
thought was look the only thing that um this vehicle could have information regarding these three missing
individuals he could have placed this in Ben Brook Lake and at some point they paid somebody to use sonar or you know
the person came in and and and used their their technology just to help out volunteered their time and services they
used sonar to locate three vehicles that were 40t down at Benbrook Lake M now on
the 22nd of September they did actually go out there and do the dive which was fantastic because I believe it's been
cancelled a couple times before due to weather and other circumstances but they did the dive and they did recover one of
the vehicles the rumors that I'm hearing are this Captain is it did you see the picture of the vehicle yeah it's uh it's
a rusty bucket it looks like it's been sitting underwater for 40 years yeah it looks like a trash bucket so the rumors
I'm hearing is that they are interested in two of the three vehicles that are down there um I think one one of the
vehicles might be a pickup truck or they're able to determine that it is not a vehicle that they're looking for
they're looking specifically for the vehicle that that this individual owned the sports car right and my guess name
purple purple my guess would be I mean you saw the vehicle that they recovered they only recovered one they're going to
go back and try to get this second vehicle at some point didn't look purple to me no well I don't know that I saw
any paint on that thing um I'm just saying I mean it looked more like rust than purple my thought would be that
with those Vehicles sitting down there for this length of time that they are looking for something
very very like almost a Smoking Gun you know they're looking for remains for for
bones yeah or clothing something directly tied to these girls because you're not going to find DNA you're not
going to find fingerprints but you would even think that clothing I mean so much
of that evidence that they could find would be washed away maybe maybe you could get lucky and find some jewelry or
something a little more heavyduty like a leather belt or some kind of shoes something like that may have survived
all of this time in the water MH but what's interesting is that we know that they didn't get the second vehicle out
but the first vehicle being removed is some success it does show that it's likely they could get this other vehicle
out at some point and it's it sounds like it's the other vehicle that they're more specifically interested in they
want to see if they can pull the VIN number off of that to prove that it belonged to this individual and then
they can come back and say wait a second three people that you knew one that you
knew directly goes missing um you've you've claimed to be cooperative I me on the outside looking in I don't think
he's been extremely cooperative and all of a sudden your baby the the vehicle the thing that you love the most in life
your Barney MO B is gone and it and we believe it was gone and dumped in the lake roughly the same time these girls
went missing yeah but don't you think this guy being a car guy that he would get rid of the VIN
numbers possibly and you know also if this is your baby but you got to get rid of it you could do some alterations as
far as things that you could do to the engine things you could do to certain parts that would kind of Disguise the
identity of the car so even if you could prove even even if there's three bodies
in the trunk even if you can prove that there's three bodies in the trunk of this car you might not necessarily be
able to prove to anybody that he's connected to this car mhm right and you know what's interesting though here is
regardless if they pull if they can get this second vehicle out and let's say they can prove that it is his or was his
he's successfully hid that piece of evidence for over 40 years I mean that it's not like they knew all along that
this car was down there in Ben Brook Lake this is something that they've just come up with in recent times and have
worked to try to get that thing extracted from the lake it's fascinating to me I mean the effort that the brother
has put into this case because I feel I feel me you a probably majority of our listeners I mean one I think it
helps being interested in True Crime but but if something that like this happened
to one of your family members how much effort you would put in as well you know what I mean like it's almost like he's
of the mindset he's going to do everything he can until till his time stops well when I was trolling maps of
the area Captain to I wanted to see where Ben Brook Lake was in relation to where the girls were last seen where
some of the suspects and victim lived um you know I came across and this is funny because it kind
of makes me think of the song Possum Kingdom by toies well it doesn't kind of it absolutely does
there's Possum Kingdom Lake is between two of the cities that we mentioned when we covered the the story and I guess
those guys and I think there's a fe is there a female base player it's not all guys in the band I think there's a girl
too let me look that up but they're from Texas and uh so posum kingdom was of course about that that Lake that that I
saw on the on the map there Toadies yeah which that's kind of a weird um the lyrics to that song Almost make
it sound like a guy that is keeping a woman captive uh you know holding her somewhere four Dudes it's four Dudes
there's you're right there's definitely no no lady in that band yeah the toes Toadies well I think it's
just Toadies but right right but I'd always call them the Toadies right you you like the
Toadies let's see um I remember like two of their songs but but posum Kingdom I think was a was a you know a hit and a
lot of people knew that song it was a very cool in the video is very cool too yeah okay so uh make up your mind decide
to walk with me around the N Lake tonight around the lake today night by my side by my side I'm not going to lie
I'm not um I'll not be a gentleman behind the boat house I'll show you my dark secret I'm not going to lie I want
you for mine my Blushing Bride my lover be my lover yeah and then yeah I mean this is basically a serial killer song
you I don't be afraid I didn't mean to scare you so help me Jesus I can promise you you'll stay as beautiful with dark
hair and soft skin Forever This is come to my boat house I'm going to show you my dark secret which is not a nickname
for his um he's going to show you a body I always he's going to kill you I always took it as um you know he's going
to take her captive as at some point he's trying to get her out to the middle of nowhere yeah but behind the boat
house I'll show you my dark secret what right what is the dark secret him that he's an evil monster so right I think
he's showing her a body this is well he could this is the last one this is the last girl that that messed with me
that's what he's saying I get it but that's what I always thought that that's where this song was going but I what
I've read online is that it has something to do with a an evil spirit that is um like an
urban legend that occupies that space and that this evil spirit will try to convince uh people to either commit
murder or suicide and then like join them in the afterlife uh to be evil become one something like that I read
this a while ago what was their other hit song um I don't know I don't know I don't even know if posum kingdom was a
hit song it I would say it was in our neighborhood because it was on the I remember being on the radio quite a bit
and uh you know so for our local station it was probably considered a hit well isn't there a one that's
like do you want to die that is that is posum Kingdom okay but it's not in the lyrics why didn't they put that in the
lyrics I don't see it I don't know and you might have gone to I don't want to die
you may have gone to a bad website make up your mind lyrics are so awful when you just
read them uh I did have somebody point out to me remember I mentioned that this one individual should be a suspect
because he would later in life uh confess to having been involved in some manner in the lion sisters uh
abduction and murder and he was uh in close proximity to this missing person case during 1974 I did have somebody
point out to me that they don't think that that individual um was involved in this case at all because it sounds like
he may have had help or um had others that were involved in the the killing of those two girls unfortunately um and
they they don't believe he is a he is in fact a killer he's kind of um you know he's he's a piece of but he's not
hey he's not the sole perpetrator of the crime is what this person believes and I
I promised I would say something at least to throw it out there because I do have a lot of respect for this person's
opinion well I I think if you look at the situation with three girls missing and what a fascinating case it was
really fascinating to me to have re you know I did research on the case and then
I just wasn't into it mhm and then we started talking about on the show and it like every couple minutes as we're
talking about it like the more and more like amped up I got where I was like this is this case is just fascinating
right and you know I think sometimes it depends on when you're doing the research but you got three girls one
that's not supposed to be there so that throws a big wrinkle into everything as far as questioning things or why things
happened or why things went down then you have so many eyewitnesses and a lot of the eyewitness
is there's more than one person that they think possibly could be the perpetrator in those scenarios and you
think three girls especially the older two girls one individual to take control of
that situation would be very difficult right it's a another you know kind of going back to like the West Memphis 3
thing 3 eighty olds could this be done by one individual most likely not so not saying that it's impossible but that
throws a wrinkle in it another fascinating case that we covered Captain was the wait are we moving on to a
different case yeah okay let me tell a story real quick okay so I I don't know if you remember this because to get rid
of a car in a lake or a pond or anything like that is would be difficult I would think so yes more
difficult than I think people would think but when we lived in the apartment over on the west side right and uh so
like I don't know if you were working third shift at the time you probably were working third shift at the
time but I think and I I think you were at work but we had the window right by the
kitchen sometimes we would this is back in the day when we were smoking cigarettes and drinking beer in the
house and and open up the window so open up the window to let the smoke out and I'm having a beer and I'm playing my
guitar and uh it's real late I mean it's 12 1:00 and all of a sudden I hear like a
splash like a splash and I heard kind of some wrestling like somebody walking through the grass and it's pretty late
so the windows open so my first thought is well if this is somebody breaking into a house or or stumbling home drunk
or whatever like the window the the window is wide open even though there's the screen so anyways I kind of look
through the window and and the Little Pond in front of our house was glowing and so I went
outside kept the guitar on to look cool I went outside and and and L literally Splash look out the
window and the door is right by the window mhm go out out the door I see no individual leaving the
vehicle and there's a light on in the car at the bottom of the pond you remember that no yeah I figur you I
figured well you weren't there when it happened and there's a chance that it could have been towed out of there
before I even got yeah you think I would have told you hey I'm sure you probably
told me but I I don't know why I didn't don't remember and so I kept on questioning
did somebody cuz I believe the window was down in the car or maybe it was up like the driver you
think the person was not even in the vehicle that's what I like maybe they was wondering maybe they were hammered
and they get they they thought they put their car in park but their foot was just on the brake and they got out of
the vehicle closed the door and then it keeps going no because we had like the concrete cinder blocks that would stop
you the the the parking blocks I I believe we did um and there was also like little wooden post so I think and
but that's always scary too because you know if you're I mean it's happened very seldom
but twice at least twice that I know of when I'm driving back from like Finley Ohio Cleveland Ohio Cincinnati Ohio like
real late at night I've seen cars on fire on the side of the road and I've thought what what ises that person try
to hide right so you'd think disposing of a car in water or fire would be but it was just the craziest thing
because you're sitting there playing and the other time I was actually um outside
my house playing guitar and about a block away or so I hear just so crash mhm so I'm like somebody might be
hurt I should probably walk and this is a neighborhood at the time so I I walked
maybe a block or two I had my guitar right I couldn't put down the guitar because crash happened I
couldn't go inside and put down the guitar I I could have but I I would just started walking and I didn't want to put
the guitar down on the concrete or anything right so when I show up it was a drunk
guy he hit a parked car and he was just sitting in the front of the yard like oh
I'm I'm drunk and I just hit this car and this really sucks and then the cops come and they're confused by why
I'm there and I'm trying to explain to them like I was a block away and hear the crash right and they don't really
believe me they they're thinking that I was in the car mhm and uh the guy was being a real turd bucket to me so I
started playing uh Crash Into Me by Dave Matthews mhm I just kept playing it over
and over White ask me all these questions and he kept on trying to catch me he kept on going so you were in the
car no I was two blocks away playing my guitar outside so you were in the car right no
I was again like I mean they and then the next guy that showed up he was doing it too like I wanted to go oh you got me
right I was actually driving good thing you didn't because they probably would have taken you seriously this guy's
drunk and crying in the front yard and I'm sitting here a stone sober with my guitar so those those are my okay so
next next case I have to feel I have a I don't know I have other than experience
life experience it seems to me that the drunk drivers hit more parked cars than moving cars like I think it's I think
they I think they fall asleep is what happens yeah like I think they're so drunk that they either pass out or fall
asleep yeah and then then that the car veers off the road and smash I like beer um one night about 3:00 in the morning I
woke up and for some reason I I mean I woke up from a dead sleep and I thought I better look out the window so I woke
up and I rolled over got out of bed looked out the window and then smashed somebody smashed right into my car at
that second yeah and so I ran downstairs and the guy the guy took off like he drove
away in his vehicle and I started to chase him on on foot but then I realized that his front
bumper fell off with the license plate W so they knew who smashed into my car the
problem was it took the cops like 30 minutes to show up so by the time they showed up they find him he's at his
apartment with the door wide open at 3:30 in the morning he's blacked out on the couch and they came in and they were
talking to him and I was like well officers he's clearly drunk you have to arrest him for omvi or DUI or whatever
they call that and uh he said no I I was so shook up by the the accident that I came home and
started drinking and so they're like oh we can't charge him with being I was like oh that's great for me right well
they could charge him with the accident still right they they did do that and he
did he did own up and he paid me back for the vle but um so another interesting case that we covered Captain
was the real estate serial killer to Todd coip cooh Heep um he as we know um that case was was interesting and
something that we said on our show which came to fruition was this is an update from the 17th of September MH that a man
named Dustin Lawson uh was sentenced to 87 months in federal prison prison during a hearing
that week the investigators said that 29 of the 32 guns that they found at Co hiips apartment were provided to him by
Lawson now yeah if if you think back to that case and the story of the way that that went down Todd Kip was he he was
unable to legally own a firearm this is because he was convicted of kidnapping using a firearm to kidnap a woman a girl
in Arizona back in 1986 so he was um not legally allowed to own any guns and we said on our show well MH this guy ended
up getting guns he got 32 of them and he went on to kill seven people eventually
and we said on our show man they better they better charge this dude that sold him the guns yeah he was uh the one
responsible for super bikes yeah yeah and yeah so well and not to get into gun control laws too much but it's like this
is how it should work though you you know there's a reason why this guy's not legally allowed to own guns right and
you stupid son of a gave him the Avenue that he's not supposed to have so do some time in jail and think about
your dumb actions you so 87 months in federal prison for uh Dustin Lawson so that worked out well for us got him got
him got him uh hey you know looking at this real quick it the video says the Toadies I'm telling you it's a good song
no I no no I know I know that you're not saying it's not a good song I think it might be one of the best songs of that
it's time it's like a heavy grunge like it starts off very alternative rock I think and then it gets very kind of
heavy grunge Tyler was my favorite song by then now posum kingdom is definitely the best but it was it was more played
than Tyler if anybody out there is listening that knows the totis let them know the cat Captain double thumbs up
the extra crispy Colonel we're thinking about you guys we're thinking about the totis I mean that's one hell of a band
I'm telling you the song has been stuck in my head since we covered the Fort Worth missing Trio well one if they come
hopefully they're still touring hopefully they get to come to Columbus and uh and we'll I'm going to go hang
out with them that's my goal after we finish this up we we'll look to see if they are yeah so what a band one more I
thought we had two more updates but I'm only seeing one here in my notes and that is uh remember the Danish submarine
inventor Peter mson yeah he had an appeal recently yeah convicted of torturing and murdering Swedish reporter
Kim wall last year he lost his appeal mhm uh against his life sentence uh this was just what about a week or so ago and
shortly after he apologized to the victim's families but it looks to looks like his life sentence will be
upheld uh and he will be looking and rightfully so facing life in prison and as we said on that show um unfortunately
life doesn't always mean life and that happens in this country as well hopefully for him uh he deserves he's
he's not safe to be out amongst anybody else he's not safe in society so he needs to be locked up for the rest of
his his days uh like I said I think he should be tortured that's and they should televise it to
let people know this is what happens period that guy is scum scum of the earth well for any other updates of
course check out our blog people are so kind to go there and give us their thoughts and theories on some of the
cases that we've covered people very kind of leave links to new updates and information on cases that we've covered
as well um if there are any more updates of course you can hear them here on off
the Record and I'm interested to see if they can get that other vehicle out of Ben Brook Lake and if so can they tie it
to the individual that they believe own the vehicle and likely put it there and okay so on their record it says
Toadies not the to that's what I think I think it's Toadies that's why went with
toes when we uh when we were talking into it well their latest release if you want to support toes is the Lower Side
of Uptown and that's their newest release I'm going to check that are they touring I'm tour dates click on it yeah
this is sorry that the toies have taken over this show but um why they show me all this other you know I don't
know oh there's my buddy Bob Schneider don't click on him yeah but why they have him on there oh he must be on their
record label oh okay is is it a shared site maybe no just says tour dates for the Toadies then look the toes.com there
we go they are touring yeah but look at that see the toes.com but on the record it says to and then right here it says
Toadies does it say 2018 they're in wo Texas oh looks they'll be they'll be in Fort Worth
Texas mhm in December yeah they're going to be around a lot in TAS well they're a
Texas band they're going to London hey that's pretty cool see that's what I think is cool that like if you were
California or Texas band like there's enough big cities in both of those states that if you know for your later
career music career there's enough big cities in in Ohio that's true that's true you could just do you could just do
your three hours away you could just do your Ohio tour yeah or tri-state area mhm yeah so when you're leaving the
garage today try not to think about how handsome I am impossible as soon as I get to the
Waffle House um and see the the The Waffle House sign it's my my mind is immediately switched yeah a quick
remember when we were talking about mainly off the Record is for updates right that's as far that's the
general format thought of off the Record well and there's always something in the
news so it's kind of update and news whatever and and kind of whatever we talk about not even update and news it's
on top of that there's we get into discussions whether it's about OJ or with Memphis 3 or something triggers
something else right um like we were talking a little bit about Amy mahalic this week for no reason at all just came
up right so but then the other thing that we talked about was some of these big cases like the Steven hav case or
the Adon SED case or some of the bigger cases that one would just take a lot of research to cover and there's so many
outlets I mean if you look at the Adon case not only do you have seral but you have five or six TV shows now about it
you have Robious book you have which is called the Adon story if you haven't listened to that on audio books or read
that that's a great book you need to check it out podcast on top of podcast multiple
soes these are cases that are researched in great great detail it would take a lot of time and effort just to cover the
case to do it justice would take us a lot longer than a week which doesn't which doesn't mean we wouldn't cover it
at some point you know and I'm just saying the cases that you mentioned specifically it doesn't mean that we
won't cover it but an idea that we kind of stumbled upon through conversation on
this show was that may maybe you know we have people that email us and they're like hey there's this one little aspect
or there's this one little piece of this case of this story and I would love to hear your take on it so we mentioned
that and we did receive some good feedback stating hey that's a good idea um so I think yeah but the worst is when
they go hey I really like that you should cover the John B Ramsey case and I go wait you really like the idea that
we're going to just talk about one part of the case right but then you tell me to cover the John Ramsey case but you
don't tell me what part you want us to discuss right right so what would be helpful tell tell me the the case and
then tell me the the detail that you'd like to discuss it's just like before we covered the uh Michael Peterson case
everybody wanted to know our thoughts on the AL Theory right so well there were some people that said I can't believe
you covered the ow Theory but then but you and I said hey look if you don't you're you're you're missing you're
missing a big chunk of some something that's interesting so you know like if if it were for Jean Benet Ramsay it
would be je you know is the pineapple significant you know is uh her being in beauty pageants at a young age have
anything to do with what ended up happening you know different that's that's kind of what we're looking for uh
don't hand us the whole podie just give us the best piece right yeah or give us a little piece of the pineapple there
you [Music] [Applause] go

Toadies /// Off The Record /// Episode 23

Nic and the Captain discuss: Fort Worth Trio Update and Toadies or The Toadies. Thank you for the support. For new OTR go to www.truecrimegarage.com

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Brief Summary

Updates on the Fort Worth Trio case and Waffle House discussions, plus a sentencing related to a serial killer's gun supplier.

Key points

Waffle House Sponsorship. The show humorously discusses its sponsorship by Waffle House, emphasizing good locations.
Update on Missing Fort Worth Trio. An update reveals a dive operation to search for vehicles linked to the case.
The Disappearance of a Sports Car. A lead suggests a missing sports car may be connected to the case.
Rumors About Evidence Recovery. Rumors circulate about the recovery of vehicles and potential evidence in a lake.
The Brother's Dedication. The brother of a missing girl shows relentless dedication to uncovering the truth.
Drunk Driving Encounters. The storyteller shares multiple experiences with drunk drivers and their chaotic consequences.

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