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shooter 315 and 314 for a shooting at Century theaters 14 300 East Alam Avenue they're
saying somebody shooting in the auditorium 315 and 314 there is at least one person that's been shot but they're
saying there's hundreds of people just running around 36 I think somebody sprayed some gas
over here too 316 I need a rescue in here hot too I got a guy shot and inside of theater
9 just outside of theater 9 we got another person outside shot in the leg of female I got people running
out of the theater there shot in room 8 we also have another victim on the north
side of the theater at the park lot I'm being told that he's in theater 9 from what I'm smelling inside I can it sounds
like it's OC maybe too get us some damn gas masks for theater 9 we can't get in it 14 we have
a party in the car shot plate uh 240 John I had Kia white Kia I'll copy there's another victim the
white Kia where's that vehicle at 16 Adam I need a marked car behind the theater stable side got suspect in a gas
mask hold the air 1 second cars with that white car in the rear of the lot is that a
suspect yes we' got rifles gas masks he's the change right now I've got an Open Door going into the
theater [Music] okay hold that position hold your suspect 16 I got seven down in Beater KN
seven down work we 2 to everybody on this it's an assault rifle we have we have a
magazines down inside sobody watch out for the assault rifle all right for the guy still in cer9 I'm working on a
backboard right now for that female okay uh suspect is going to be male unknown race black camo type outfit I believe to
be wearing a vest gas mask and multiple long [Music] guns [Music] [Music] this evening we are discussing the
terrible and tragic event that took place in Colorado July 20th 201 12 and absolutely one of the most senseless
acts that I have ever heard of this of course being the Aurora Theater mass shooting that was committed by James
Holmes now James Holmes was born December 13 1987 in San Diego County California his parents are Robert and
arleene Holmes yeah and Robert was a mathematician scientist he had multiple degrees Stanford UCLA uh UC Berkeley and
his mom was was a registered nurse big shout out to the nurses he also has a younger sister named Chris um and then
it's around these Middle School years of his early life that we start to see some
some possible issues with James Holmes yeah these are claims that are being made and again I don't know if some of
this information was stuff that actually happened or was it claims after the mass
shooting mhm so uh they talk a lot about how he started suffering some mental health issues around middle school he
talks about the nail ghost MH so he he basically would say that he would see these like ghost or Shadow sh shadowy
figures that were hitting or hammering on the wall and at times they appeared to be fighting one another from from
what I had read yeah yeah it talks about Shadows kind of seeing shadow figures and also seeing kind of like flickers
out of the side of his eyes and he has told he has told us that uh at this this is 11 around the well he didn't tell us
but he's he I think he his lawyer claims that he uh made a suicide attempt at the
age of 11 I haven't seen anywhere on record that his parents talk about this but they don't do a lot of interviews so
maybe later on like when you see like uh with the Coline case the mom took a long
time before she actually wrote a book about it so maybe that will come out later with one of his parents writing a
book and maybe would have some more sight to his childhood and and what went wrong uh to have this happen and after
the events on July 20th 2012 you know they've gone back and they've they've interviewed people that may have known
James Holmes that may have gone to school with him at an early age elementary school middle school age and
they the um you know their reports are a bit scattered in my opinion you know there are some people
that basically say well he was somebody that was unnoticeable he was heet didn't know who he there people
there he either bullied or may have been somewhat of a bully himself but it seems
like the majority of the claims are that he was kind of a forgett forgettable personality that he wasn't didn't stand
out in the crowd yeah he was definitely a smart kid um once he gets into high school he he plays soccer he runs cross
country again playing soccer in high school how good was he did he start did he sit
the bench I mean who who knows how much uh effect this really has on his life he
seems very into uh his academics U which extremely extremely into the academics which will lead him to the college um
University of California and which he'll get um his bachelor's in Neuroscience he graduates
in the top 1% of his class mhm uh and then he goes on to the University of Colorado which he is going to get his
PhD yeah yeah he's seeking a PhD from the University of Colorado he enrolls in that program uh in 2011 yeah and before
he actually goes to college uh I believe this is the case you can I've only seen
clips on YouTube I think there's the full presentation uh he basically does like
this internship uh kind of a science summer camp type thing and they film all the
Pres presentations and so you can see before going into college I mean he's very well spoken better you know better
spoken than we are uh and very intelligent that's a large group very intelligent for uh you know somebody
that just graduated high school yeah um and and he's he's also talking about some fascinating stuff uh you know
basically he had to program uh a computer program learn how to do all the code with flash and everything but
basically you know because of this science that we know that he could create this code that would create these
games that would create an illusion in your brain which is pretty fascinating for somebody that's not even in college
but like we said so now he's at the University of Colorado and he lives in a one-bedroom apartment with uh it's
basically a complex but the complex is for health study nor you know so he's studying Neuroscience so he's around
other people that phds what what are they studying I'm not really for sure it's for students but but you're saying
probably a more specific type of student yeah cuz a lot of times what they do it
you know with PhD students is they're going to put you in housing so you're not around a bunch of freshmen you know
they try to you know with the campus housing they like to try to keep the ages similar you know the the areas of
study similar it just kind of helps uh you know the social environment and because he had already graduated UC
Riverside obviously he's older than than the you know the general students where
the thing is too he is I mean I don't know to say that he's a good student is is conveying enough of what he actually
was I mean there are college professors that that have said he's extremely well researched like he he he loves to
research and he has a great ability to um be able to present the research to a crowd and to anybody that is willing to
listen yeah I mean in his presentation and like I said that's pre-ol that's pre- bachelor's degree uh well spoken
and he seemed not to be super nervous but you could tell there was probably some uh social you know ineptness to him
which is you know I I don't know what to make of that I mean again it's a presentation right out of high school
School how much confidence do you have going into college I'm not really for sure well and we kind of got to dive
into his college life a little bit because this is all things leading up obviously to the the major event there
but uh you know when you talk about things like schizophrenia you know there are a lot of people that schizophrenia
yeah there's a lot of people that will they'll say that that will start to uh accelerate in in the late early late 20s
early 20s um no early late teens early 20s thank you that's what I meant but and the other thing that we're seeing
now is that he is out he's out on his own he's in a different city he's he's all out on his own and he's out with
people that he may not know so there's a bit of isolation that has come with this
new portion of his life now and the studies here are going to be harder I mean before he's just an undergraduate
now it's time for his graduate degree uh there's some weird stuff with his uh digital footprint you know one that
would leave you know he has a University email he has a MySpace account that was
that's before Facebook yeah um match.com he's they found some well let me lead up
to that real quick okay so at his college life once he's at Colorado he he's going to class he's participating
and he seems to be doing well academically for the most part but he is pretty much a bit of a loner once he
gets there we said that this may have this transition in his life may have created some form of olation for him
yeah he probably was always somewhat isolated he's not making a lot of friends he goes out here and there and
there's at least one bar that he was known to have gone to several times maybe even frequently but he doesn't
really buddy up with anyone there at school or at the bar as well uh on occasion it is rumored that he would go
to a brothel uh this is something that seemed to be something that he may have done at least a number of times uh and
it was later reported that this is activity that would cost him $240 cash and that he would typically keep this
amount of money on him most of the time particularly in $20 bills he did try as you were saying with his digital
footprint he did try a couple of times to maybe reach out let's call it that um in April of
2012 he is on match.com uh eventually you know his profile would end up with the headline
will you visit me and prison and his picture shows him um now with the uh Infamous dyed orange hair that that we
associate with James Holmes yeah uh what else uh you know what else do you do when you're having trouble socially or
maybe you need to find a friend well of course you can go to adultfriendfinder.com uh so James is
friend finding on this site going by the name of classic Jimbo and his profile on
there reads that yeah 6ot tall he's has an athletic build and he's single he's looking for a woman or couples a man and
a woman groups or couples two women uh for erotic chat or email discreet relationship one-on-one sex or group sex
and a the adultfriendfinder.com clarifies group sex as three or more people so thank you to them because I
don't know that anybody describes sex between two people as group sex MH uh under under trait's habits and personal
preferences like smoking he answers things like he prefers not to say drinking he says he's a light to social
Drinker if you've listened to the show long enough you know that I would be listed as a heavy garage Drinker uh not
sure that that's even like an option on the site he drinks a lot of garages yeah
and then uh for drugs uh if he's a drug user again he prefers not to say uh for male endowment well he says he's short
to average he might maybe recommendation he probably should have lied there where
is the show going and he also says that he's a circumcised speaker of English so
I don't know I don't know what other things you can list on that site but maybe Hobbies or or whatnot but this is
a general idea of his profile and you can find uh pictures of that profile online yeah there's also pictures of
like the match.com stuff where it's uh not as weird and maybe you don't want to put that on a podcast
um like The Adult FriendFinder stuff I'm sorry but if if you if they post a profile somebody online I come across it
I have to read it it's F yeah I mean he also claims match.com that he's 5'11 so maybe he's trying to be more honest
there he says he's not a smoker but he's a drinker on match.com MH um so and the
other weird thing too is that they found I mean you might not you know people might be listening going I don't know if
I buy the prostitution thing they found several times where he left reviews if they had like an online Forum yeah uh
James Hol would go and uh James Holmes would go leave reviews for these prostitutes I I found a couple of what I
consider um very reliable sources that that they were pretty adamant that that he was doing the brothel thing or The
Prostitute thing well he wasn't a complete loner psychopath uh he was dating somebody in
in October of uh 2011 2011 gari daada is what we'll say cuz that's it's I've looked at this on paper unless you wrote
it down completely wrong who knows what that that name is he dated her for about
two months right yeah about two months and then it ended I guess there was this something on uh St Patrick's Day where
there's altercation uh with they're out having a date she is talked to by another male
then he uh James has an altercation with this guy not fist fight or anything but
he has a conversation and after that he kind of became more distant yeah and I and I I kind of misspoke there I said
two months but it but from what I've read it sounded like there was a bit of an on and off type of relationship
because they started this relationship in late 2011 and at some point it would continue in the early part of 2012 Yeah
so basically and that ends up with the the experience of the St Patrick's Day situation where some guy says something
to gargie or whatever her name is excuse me um but uh and this becomes a big he he gets pretty weird about this
situation and this causes her to to not really want to be involved with with James that much yeah and she would talk
about how he just would have some weird jokes you know he'd say some things that
just maybe just didn't you know a social awkwardness to him which would make people feel uncomfortable and we all
have friends like that um but he every now and then would make kind of jokes to you know kind of uh expressing his
desire to kill somebody and that's where it was kind of like well this is a little strange and she me mentioned to
him multiple times cuz you know as we talk about him being such a good student well that was not the case you know once
he gets to school so he was a good student he graduated top 1% in his class but now he he's having some difficulties
MH and anybody that has been to college before or been has been to a college that wasn't a good fit there's some
stuff happening mentally you're now in a school where you seem to know nobody so
the loneliness Factor Creeps in and then you have to deal with you know tough classes and if your motivation you know
let's say you are a musician for example but you're going to study English well the passion might not be there because
the mo motivation and your motivation can constantly change so he was having some issues with you know school life
this new school life but you know he had this girlfriend and and and she expressed to him well with your issues
with school and with you know some of this uh social awkwardness maybe you should see uh professional help now
again this is all reported after the shooting so is that what actually took place or is this just what you're
telling people after the shooting and some of the things that she talks about that he was saying or that he would say
in group settings or to her uh I'm just going to go ahead and cl I'm going to title these as um I'm going to call
these homicidal jokes they almost sound like uh off color you know bad taste uh homicidal type sounding jokes um and I
think what you're seeing here is maybe there maybe we have somebody that has an issue connecting with with others and
maybe the only way that he knows how to bridge that Gap is with some kind of shock Factor you know by getting
attention with some kind of shocking statement um but you're right she does say you know at the time I didn't really
take some of these things that he said seriously however I did recommend to him maybe you should you should consider
talking to somebody a professional well and if you get a chance if you really dive into this case and you want to look
at the presentation he gave now I understand it's a presentation but they ask him like you know what you know what
are some goals in your life as they uce him to make his speech and one of the things he says is one of his lifelong
goals is to own a slurpie machine now again this is four years prior it's kind of a funny joke you know kind of an odd
thing to bring up uh and gets a bunch of laughs from the audience and and then he's he smiles he seems like a normal
person again what has happened to him what what is happening to him mentally we don't we won't know nobody can know
that it's just inside his brain and then how much of of the stress from the school and these social awkward moments
is playing into the decisions that he's going to make in the spring of 2012 he does start to receive some he starts
taking therapy sessions and this is with a psychiatrist by the name of Lynn Fenton um
now here's some here's some other things okay so we have July 7th all right this
is just a month and a half before the event James Holmes he fails an oral exam several oral exams and this is very
unlike just like we had said earlier he had been considered by teachers and other students to be a good researcher
and a good presenter of research and his work was very thorough um this presents
some areas of discussion uh in in much later discussion and June 10 on June 10th James Holmes he file files
paperwork to withdraw from the Neuroscience program and does not say why he wishes to do so yeah the
following day he meets with his psychiatrist again this is uh Dr Fenton and um he is breaking off the
relationship with her and she goes on to tell campus police officers that Holmes
has made several homicidal statements and he had sent her threatening text messages the campus police asked Fenton
if they should put homes on a on a 72-hour psychiatric hold this is obviously for his personal safety and
for the safety of others as well uh Dr Fenton says that this will not be necessary so again we are see and I
think in this process too they they revoke his uh student ID which I think goes to a lot of like food courts and so
and probably a access to different uh parts of the school are taken away by by revoking or shutting off his student ID
MH and because of his area of study he actually had access to buildings and rooms that that students of the general
population would not have access to um again Fenton decides against this 72-hour hold this is this psychiatric
holds a pretty common thing I didn't realize this but in the state of Colorado they estimate that about 2,000
they do about 2,000 of or more of these holds a year um so a little more common than I had thought uh but again we are
seeing some signs of something possibly something going on here some kind of maybe a possible possible mental break
of sorts but we're also seeing some signs of premeditation to the the massacre or a violent event that that
we're leading up to here uh way back in May in the early parts of May 2012 uh this and leading up to just days
before the attack James Holmes is stockpiling weapons and ammo uh and may he orders two tear gas canisters online
and over the next few weeks he also buys two hand guns a shotgun an assault rifle
and 6,295 rounds of ammunition and body armor handcuffs Road Stars these are meant to puncture tires a 100 round drum
magazine and a laser site uh several laser sites I'm sorry as well as additional explosive materials uh he
buys some of these at gun stores like uh his local Gander Mountain and Bass Pro Shop so he's buying some of these face
to-face situations in person and they're all legal mhm these are legal purchases
exactly and then he is purchasing some of these items online from several retailers but one of them being uh bulk
ammo.com now weeks leading up to the attack we see James Holmes he is actually going to the movie theater this
is the Aurora Century Theater 16 and using his phone his cell phone he is taking photos of the theater in the
layout uh this being the hallways and entrances and whatnot uh getting kind of cataloging the lay of the land let's say
uh but one photo in particular is he's he's taking a photo of the door latch uh this is one of the exit doors you know
how the in a in a movie theater you have you walk in to the theater and then you
find your seat but down sometimes down by the screen they have doors that will exit out into the parking lot right well
this he's has taken photos of the latch and of this door these are the events that lead us up to the actual event and
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that and we're back from the beer break we're talking about the Aurora Theater shooter uh James Holmes yes and this
brings us to the point of the day of the event now what's taking place here is there's going to be a movie premiere
this is one of those midnight showings when a movie first comes out and this is the movie of The Dark Knight Rises which
we don't have to be uh I don't know how much we have to go into this most people
should know about this The Dark Knight Rises grossed over a billion dollars at the box office
worldwide and it was the third movie in the Batman Trilogy yeah and so so this is the character played by Christian
Bale the Batman character this had Tom Hardy in it a lot of people felt like this was the best I'm doing a little
Batman movie talk real quick okay um a lot of people thought this was the best film of 2012 it's the 16th highest
grossing movie of all time actually that's what it said on Wikipedia it's actually 17th right now okay so it
dropped a spot it was the third highest grossing movie of 2012 the fourth highest grossing superhero movie of all
time now just a little trivia I'm just going to throw this at you what are the top three grossing movies of all time
top three grossing movies of all time not not superhero to be superher movies Titanic Titanic is number two okay
number one is Avatar and number three is Star Wars the Force awakens oh uh anyways these were my favorite Batman
movies out of all of them I liked Michael Keaton um but Christian Bale's character I just thought uh and the
third one I didn't see this in theaters but when I saw this I remember the the movie was over and I
thought there was no way I'm going to like a Batman movie more than the one with Heath Ledger right there's no way
this one I might actually like it better I mean just it has a couple twists and turns anyways that is the movie that is
premiering um it's the midnight showing it's going to be happening at July 20th mhm and and this is a big deal I mean
this is sold out and and if anybody's been to a sold out showing before I mean normally when you go to movie theater
it's what 1/4 full or maybe even half full at the most but this is a big event where people are now going to you know
kind of fight to figure out which where they're going to sit yeah and they were actually actually 420 people watching
the midnight showing of the Batman movie The Dark Knight Rises yeah not not in this theater there was actually multiple
theaters that were showing The Dark Knight Rises but it was a big event for theaters all over the United States for
that night yeah uh I believe it actually opened up the night before in New York uh and then it opened up like four maybe
four days before in New York yeah and then then it opened up uh Nationwide and worldwide that day as well so John
Holmes he has already previously purchased a ticket and he purchased this ticket not John Holmes oh sorry j James
Holmes sorry different bad guy yeah uh so James Holmes he purchased his ticket uh well in advance days in advance
actually and he shows up to see this midnight premiere of the Batman movie and shortly into the movie this is all a
plan that he has put together well in advance and he's geared himself up for this attack uh to these these innocent
people that have no idea what they're about to witness I don't think it was James's
plan to um actually watch the movie no all it was just where I'm going to this event um yeah so he basically stands up
or they see a lot of eyewitness accounts is that somebody stands up and on their
phone almost like they're going to take a phone call and they go to this emergency exit they kind of prop the
door open which is odd because normally one of the eyewitnesses said if somebody
was going to take a phone call you would assume that they'd go out to the lobby mhm you normally you don't normally see
anybody mess with the exit doors right yeah yeah and yeah this is interesting because he stands up and then he goes
out the these are the doors that we were talking about ear earlier he goes out the door that's up by the screen now
he's previously parked his vehicle he's got a white Hyundai hatchback that he parked is that a Hyundai or is it a Kia
I think you hear in the um in the police call that they're talking about a Kia I
don't know that they're talking about they may be talking about a victim there or maybe they have just misspoken and
thought that it was a Kia but um it's a Hyundai white hatchback and he goes out to his vehicle to retrieve his weapons
and his body armor as well as a gas mask and two canisters of tear gas yeah and he said that he in his court in his
later court dates and trial uh he said that he kind of lingered outside longer than he anticipated and one thing that I
found interesting here was that the uh I don't know if it was the psychiatrist or
the the um the judge that was asking him these questions it wasn't clear from what I was watching but they asked him
why he was standing out there and um they wanted some kind of answer like were you trying to talk yourself out of
this situation were you trying to talk yourself down he said no no I wasn't doing that and they and he said you know
well were you hoping that maybe somebody would come along and and see you and stop you from doing this and prevent you
and again he says no he said basically what had happened what was he dropped one of the canisters and he went to
retrieve it and then he kind of just stopped himself for maybe a minute or two before going back into the same door
that he exited earlier and this is where he he throws the the the two canisters of
tear gas right and this is he's going to do this for some form of crowd control I
guess to to disorient disorient the people in the in the seats now some of the eyewitnesses would later say that
they thought maybe this was part of part of the theatrics of the show you know one eyewitness actually thought that the
person was throwing like fake bats into the air um yeah another person I mean let's just paint the scene of J uh James
Holmes he's wearing all black he's wearing this um it's not a bulletproof vest but he's wearing bullet resistant
pants he's wearing some kind of um I don't even know what it's called but that he has this vest it's not a
bulletproof vest but it this thing makes him look a lot bigger and tougher mhm um
he's wearing all black and he has the gas mask one of the Witnesses said you know I thought the person was dressed as
Batman like as a part of the thing you know as part of the whole you know it's midnight showing yeah he's wearing a
he's wearing black clothing a gas mask a ballistic helmet uh Urban Assault vest uh black bulky jacket he also has shin
guards a throat guard a groin protector and a dark bulletproof those dark bulletproof leggings that you had talked
about yeah bullet resistant yeah so he goes in and he throws the tear gas and now he's disoriented the crowd and he
basically opens up fire on on many people that have no clue what's going on and he has this assault rifle we talked
about the assault rifle that he had purchased he has an AR-15 okay and he had purchased that the
drum magazine that would allow him to have 100 rounds that he could fire he basically fired that thing he shot 30
rounds in 27 seconds so just think about that for a second how fast and how rapid
that is and in less than two minutes he shot bullet fragments into 238 theater seats this ends up killing
12 people and 70 people are wounded and 15 of them are permanently wounded now 10 of the the victims would die at the
scene and two of the victims would die on the way to the hospital or at the hospital
now of the 70 people that were wounded 58 of them were wounded in the actual attack and 12 people are wounded and
suffered injuries as they were fleeing the building yeah yeah I mean this is you know a common thing you'll see I
mean cuz you never know how you're going to react to something until it's actually going on and so I think a lot
of people didn't you know there were scared um uh people obviously were running for their lives there's complete
chaos and and in that Mayhem uh 12 people were injured and around I I believe it was at
12:38 a.m. the they start to receive 911 calls about what's going on and of course not a lot of the people calling
on calling in really know exactly what's going on you know they're in a state heightened state of panic people are
fleeing the building so they're kind kind of just reporting what little bit they believe to be going on so you're
getting a lot of different calls coming in right now reporting different things some people report that they had seen
multiple Shooters some people report that they had only seen one shooter uh we have different eyewitness accounts
because a lot of things are happening very very quickly yeah so then the the cops show up and uh quickly they
realized I I believe it's theater 9 yes he and he parked his vehicle right out outside of uh theater 9 in the parking
lot so that he could access that door and his vehicle very quickly yeah we we can assume he's he wants to a that
access that as a getaway vehicle the cops show up and you'll hear you know you'll hear in the 911 tapes they're
saying hey we need gas mask we need gas mask there's uh you know these uh smoke bombs or whatever you want to call them
um in theater 9 we need to get in there um and eventually you know as through the 911 tapes you hear this chaos you
hear them asking for ambulance it's one of the things that people bring up a lot
of times with this case is that these ambulance weren't showing up fast enough and we have all these people wounded and
the cops started not waiting for the ambulance they just started taking the the victims out and taking them to the
nearest hospital which actually goes against police protocol uh for that area anyway they are instructed to not uh
transport victims or wounded people to the hospital in their patrol cars now I commend these officers for breaking
protocol and deciding that their you know one life lost is too many obviously but they're witnessing something that
nobody should have to be a part of or witness and they made a concerted effort that and decided that nobody else should
have to die tonight and we're going to break protocol and we're going to help as many people and save as as many lives
as we can and as they get there and there's chaos all around them they they quickly figure out that we have a
suspect now well what happens is there's it's a it's patrolman Jason obiad he shows up and he sees a a black figure
standing next to this white hatchback and the figure appears to be wearing SWAT gear or police riot gear so at
first he assumes that this person is uh is a police officer is somebody that's there to help but quickly what he
realizes is that the the person is not moving he doesn't seem to be reacting to what's going on so that triggers
something within him and he wonders well who is this person so he gets out of his
vehicle and he tells the person to put put your hands on the roof of the vehicle and the the person doesn't
really resist he after being as after being asked twice James puts his hands on the roof of the vehicle next to him
very close to him on the roof of the vehicle is a semi-automatic Glock um and then James Holmes is ordered to the
ground this is when the officer obat he comes up and he drags James Holmes about
10 feet away from the vehicle because he wants to get him away from that firearm
right and he drags him over to a dumpster and he cuffs him now starts to Frisk him to see if he can find any
additional weapons when you see a person when this thing is going on and you see
a person outfitted in this kind of SWAT gear or riot gear that he's wearing you you have to assume that he's heavily
armed and he's trying to find other weapons on on the asent on the suspect and because he's wearing so much gear
you can't really feel anything in there you can't feel for additional weapons so
so a Second Officer shows up and they decide to using a knife they begin to cut some of the gear off of James
Holmes um and doing so they find a couple knives they find uh an iPod Touch uh they basically strip him down to his
white T-shirt socks and underwear so they could find anything that they that might be on his person and and and and
in this moment they're already searching his vehicle his hatchback well the the crazy thing here Captain is they've got
him stripped down to a white T-shirt uh boxers and and uh socks yet his gas mask is still on so then they
remove this gas mask okay and the first thing that they see when they take off the mask is they're shocked by the
bright orange hair and the James Holmes has got these huge pupils mhm and they take off the mask and the first thing
that James says is he says I'm the The Joker uh they also find 28 they find $280 cash in his wallet he also has his
ID his University of Colorado school ID on him credit card health insurance card
things of this nature um and the officers ask him if if he had any more guns other than the Glock that they saw
on top of his vehicle he answers yes I have four of them uh then they then ask him if he has any explosives again he
says yes they ask where they are and he states that they are in my apartment asking if they are ready to go
off James says yes if you trip the wires the officers want to know what type of explosives they are and James explains
that they are IEDs which are improvised explosive devices so now we have this gunman um apprehended and they're going
to take him back to uh the station for questioning and we but we still have chaos going on and one of the nurses
said look this became um you know a mass shooting a massacure basically but it also then became a miracle because we
have all these victims that are hurt that could die and then this is when the nurses and doctors they go into um
survival mode basically and they and and if it wasn't for them and if if it wasn't for the fast acting police
officers there'd be more than 12 people dead another miracle that took place that evening was remember we said in
that AR-15 he had the 100 drum magazine okay he could have fired 100 rounds he actually only shot about 30 of those
rounds because the gun ended up jamming on him um and they say that that can be typical with with a magazine that holds
that many rounds that it would be typical that it would jam many lives were were saved by by
this gun being jammed that night many lives were saved for the fact that he didn't really know what he was doing you
know I mean you take a train expert with the amount of equipment that he had and
it would have been the numbers would have been staggering yeah because I mean when you just think of the layout of any
movie theater and where he positioned himself up by the movie screen and then throwing out the tear gas the the the
people are I mean they're they're sitting ducks they're at a terrible disadvantage to to this gunman yeah and
your two exits are one around the the shooter or normally you have to go down towards the shooter anyways and then cut
back through the lobby you know they need to come up with another exit you know like at the top of the stairs or
something so during the interrogation in the early parts of it they the the police have now this is pretty typical
they have taped bags to his hands MH uh because they want to preserve any gunpowder residue that would be on his
fingers and his hands and during the questioning process he is using these bags as like like puppets he's waving
them around like they're some kind of puppets and at one point he finds a staple in the in the table and he
removes it from the table and he tries to jam it into an electric outlet that's in the room and of course the officers
stop him from doing so um but this is this amongst other types of wild things that he's doing best describes his
behavior during the early parts of this questioning yeah but the first question he asks officers is were there any
children hurt m i mean look a lot of this stuff as far as like him playing you know oh you put bags on my hands I'm
going to act all crazy and I'm playing Puppeteer you know um and you know I'm going to shove this he knows damn well
that you take put a a staple B into a socket it's not going to do much I'm not suggesting that anybody does it cuz
there's a chance it could be not good but some of this stuff is just you know immaturity you know and he's just and
acting crazy you know that I mean that's where I get from it you know you want to
sit there and act crazy and then your first question is is there any kids that were hurt you know they also talk about
when they you know apprehended him and put him in the police vehicle that they said well he was constantly like looking
back to see what the chaos was I I don't I don't know how much i' buy that I think he for whatever reason he
did this stuff and now he's uh you know he he he's obviously remorseful right away and to me that shows a sign of not
uh of sanity and not Insanity absolutely and through talking with him the first thing they want to know about is they
want to know about these explosives that he said are in his apartment mhm so he's
going to give them a little bit of information but we do have to mention that the police would go ahead and break
protocol one more time now what happens here is James Holmes does requ he requests an attorney and they do not
actually deny him an attorney they they you know he he has an attorney but the problem is the attorney is trying to get
to James Holmes to to be involved in this question he's read his Miranda rights but the police have figured out
we've got to we've got to know what's going on in that apartment and we need specifics we need intel basically so we
can figure out how to disarm these booby traps let's say now when the police first discover what's going on in the
apartment they are very concerned because he's outfitted this apartment with enough explosive devices that it
could take down the whole building well and and look let's face it I I mean they
they at at this moment they before they start questioning them they know that there's these explosives but now they're
asking them what what's your name who are you James Holmes and right when they say that now they're going to their
database system right and that and they're going to try to figure out who the hell this kid is there's no record
of this kid I mean this kid doesn't have a troubled past no so they really have no clue who the hell they're dealing
with I think he had one speeding ticket at some point in his life so this wasn't
a guy that was that was breaking laws and constantly violent this wasn't anybody that was on anybody's radar um
well he was on somebody's radar he was on a psychiatrist radar at the school and provoked but that's going to take
you know days and weeks to figure out this is something that the cops are not going to be able to figure out within
the first couple minutes of questioning him well one thing that they do figure out is that the way that he rigged his
apartment to blow the whole building I mean you think about how many more victims there could have been if this
whole apartment would have blown up if this whole building well and like I said remember he he's supposedly lives in
this one-bedroom apartment but it's a complex that's a bunch of one-bedroom apartments possibly two-bedroom
apartments with a bunch of students in it so one thing that he did was he set up this boom box one of those old school
boom boxes and he set it so that it would be silent for approximately 40 minutes and then at some point this
would be a around 1:00 a.m. it would start blaring very loud music his intentions were that an angry NE
neighbor would come up and would check his door well what he did was he rigged it with a trip wire and he left the door
slightly a jar so that all somebody would have to do is is move that door and this would blow up his apartment and
essentially the whole building and everybody in it mhm what happens is a neighbor wait wait before we get to that
this is what he's telling the cops but they're not for sure if it's just that building you know what what else is that
building connected to is he just telling us it's one building could it be possible multiple buildings they don't
know they're they got to go you know this psychopath just tried to murder hundreds of people in a movie
theater and now we have to on some level trust what he's saying and take this very serious
one angry neighbor actually approached the door because of the loud music and she stopped herself from touching the
door because she noticed that it was slightly open and she thought this was extremely suspicious yeah and so she
backed out at the last second and decided to just call in the noise complaint to the police well and you'd
think that the police or campus security or whoever would show up and see the door touch yeah yeah and thank thank God
they got to James Holmes before any of these things could take place another thing he did with that apartment and the
things he had rigged up was he actually set a remote control device outside of the apartment building and he set this
down on the street thinking that if somebody didn't touch the door that somebody would be likely to walk along
and see this remote control and pick it up and hit a button mhm and it would have the same effect and and what you
were talking about like we said you know when they ask him you take off the gas mask Who Are You The Joker and you were
kind of talking to me earlier about you know did he set this up you know with the idea of being like the Joker yeah
you know like where I'm not going to blow it up but somebody else's actions is going to call cause it to blow up
whether that's somebody pushing the door or finding the remote and hitting the button that themselves well in the
general thought I mean everybody's got their own thoughts of the Joker but but the Joker is basically the the agent of
chaos right he's he's the person that's setting things up so that everything just gets chaotic and and nobody knows
how to react and nobody knows the reason why because there's there is no reason for any of these actions there are no
reasons it's just to cause complete chaos and to cause Mayhem and death and and the other fact is that you know the
Joker sometimes would set things up or rig things so that some people were other than himself were in control of
some of that chaos or Mayhem and this being the door that he rigged with the trip wire or the remote control that he
left outside of the apartment for somebody to push the buttons yeah it takes them about what two
days yeah and the the the part of that was uh they they were concerned obviously and they had evacuated the
building very quickly but they were concerned about a couple of things they were worried that the apartment was
rigged in such a fashion that Not only would it blow up the building but it could potentially blow up some of the
surrounding buildings so their first thought was rather than go in and dismantle these uh booby traps we should
just blow we should just blow up the building and that that was one thing that they had considered and they kind
of played with this idea for a little bit of time until they could come up with a good strategy part of this
strategy was getting Intel from James Holmes now where I said that they broke protocol was that they kind of they
weren't completely honest about where James Holmes was being held so it delayed the attorney getting to him
because their thought was that once the attorney arrived that James Holmes was shut down and he wouldn't he wouldn't
communicate any of this much needed information to yeah yeah and you know because the attorney will say hey we're
not talking right but but you're put in people's lives at risk again it's questionable I mean because there's the
justice system and and I believe in Justice and I believe in Law and Order but at the same time uh I believe in
saving lives uh more than that yeah you know it's you broke protocol but I think
um the reasons were Justified yeah this this kind of action reminds me of something like a like a diard movie or
maybe a Lethal Weapon where you have the the cops that don't always go along with
everything that they're supposed to do but at the end they've made the right decision because in the end their job is
to protect protect and serve the people of their community and sometimes you know you might have to bend a little bit
to to Serve and Protect Your Community Yeah so basically you have to break the law to protect the law or or something
something like but so we we basically know that he you know we we now know the actions we know the ramifications of the
shooting we know that he had these bombs set up takes them a couple days but they
disarm it nobody hurt in the process and and what was weird about this case though is it takes 2 years 2 and a half
years for this trial to start which is is is a little strange yeah it takes uh I believe it's a in mid October before
they finalize the charges that they want to uh to push against James Holmes um so
that we're already seeing a few months lapse there but but then the jury selection process was crazy as well I
mean they they sent summonses out to like 9,000 people and they were going to select 12 jurors plus some alternates
from from that pool of people um well this was headline news too so it's it's also uh harder to find not only is it
headline news so you got to find somebody that's not biased but just I mean think about the victim count I mean
there's 12 people that lost their life which is very senseless it's ridiculous and then there's there's another 70
people that are injured and and whether it's a small injury and that's just the victims
physically but I mean even if you're in the theater next door what what effect does that have on you mentally for all
the years to come you know when are you able to go back into a movie theater and
feel safe when are you able to go to any event and feel safe possibly never yeah
there's a lot of there's a lot of victims as you're saying that were in that building or witness something that
night that are not part of any of these stat statistics that we read you know they go unnamed and unknown and these
are people like you said they may not be able to go out into public anymore or maybe they have nightmares for the rest
of their lives or they can't sleep they have insomnia now um yeah this this is on because of one lost individual and
whether you think he's sane or or insane or whatever I mean I think we can all agree that he's definitely lost and
because of that a lot of people were affected and so I think that's probably another reason why it took so long for
them to find a jury you got to there's a lot more people that are um affected by
this and so then that makes the circle you know bigger on how many people know somebody that was affected by this so
you have this event that took place that's of of worldwide you know everybody knows about this
thing okay so you have that problem you have the jury selection process you have
the number of victims involved now parallel all of that with trying to figure out is this guy insane or is he
sane all right and that's part of the reason why this trial would end up taking so long now what would happen is
not only did they learn about the booby traps and they would they would figure out a way to dismantle all of them and
that Al worked its way out because of good police work now what what they ended up finding out as well is as soon
as James Holmes receives an attorney MH it's communicated to the attorney that on that same day that he had mailed a
notebook to his former psychiatrist this is that Lynn Fenton and we're going to say loose psychiatrist I mean he saw her
maybe three times so um one thing that you can say about him is he actually sought out help and and Lynn was not the
first psychiatrist he saw so through the school uh he through the school whatever
is happening mentally with him uh and and I think from you know that girlfriend he had you know look if a
girlfriend suggests to you maybe you should see somebody talk to somebody um there's all this stuff going on with
Holmes and he goes and talks to a a psychiatrist that psychiatrist wow I can't talk that five
out of five beers that's the big bad Baptist wow wow um that psychiatrist refers him to Fenton is
that the name Fenton yes okay and then she talks to him about three times within those three times though like we
said he's probably homicidal they revoke his privileges on campus they revoke his
and and there's some call you can find it online where she's calling leaving a message saying hey yeah this Holmes
character yeah I revoked this privilege and I've revoked this privilege a lot of
put people put blame on her like oh she could have um did a a 72-hour holding mhm and look that's maybe and maybe when
there's more accounts of these actions that come up maybe that's something we'll do more often but that's also in
invading on people's rights you know some you know if somebody's having a bad day and they start screaming at somebody
on campus and then you decide hey we're going to put on a 72h hour holding period I mean that there is a lot you
know it shouldn't be so quick trigger you know on that but in this case it's all it's easy to blame somebody on
hindsight right so but regarding the notebook this ends up becoming a big problem and this is a big problem for
the trial because they have to figure fure out what to do with this notebook because as soon as the attorneys mention
this notebook this was mailed to the psychiatrist but it was not yet received right so the attorneys they want to
intercept this notebook they're saying that it's James's property and because he's going to be eventually charged with
a crime right that they should be able to confiscate that and and keep it private to them um what the what the
prosecution and what the law enforcement is going to argue is that no you you sent it to this person and we should be
able to view it and decide what we what should be done with it James's attorneys
are going to suggest that this is no this is Bound By by U doctor client privilege that that none of the
information inside of the binder can be be talked about yeah which I understand that I mean your doctor is also calling
and revoking your student ID and and wanting you to not be on campus you know isn't that some sort of doctor client
privilege right and there in lies a big question that they had to answer when did James Holmes quit being a client of
the psychiatrist as far as I would one argue that he was never you know a client cuz he only saw her a few times
well as far as the as the psychiatrist is concerned ered she says that no the moment that he quit that he dropped out
of school and he quit attending our sessions he is no longer my client right now they are going to say being the
defense are going to say that no that James Holmes was still always a client and why because him mailing that
notebook that day is him reaching out to his doctor and what took place just minutes before the actual attack well
there was a phone call to the University of Colorado switchboard now they're going to say James Holmes is saying this
was from me I was calling because I was going to ask them to to connect me with the doctor with my doctor and this could
be the phone call that people were talking about that he made when they said he you know it
seemed like the attacker got a phone call and was taking a phone call according to the college they're saying
that the switch board did have the capabilities to connect him with his doctor so that's a possibility however
what they will state is that when the operator connected with whomever was calling the caller did not state who he
was did not say anything at all did not ask to speak with the doctor and after just seconds the call dropped right now
they're so they're willing to admit that they received a call about the same time
that James Holmes says he placed a call look a lot of the stuff with this James Holmes character is he it's it's all
about convenience when they say oh well did you go out into your car were you trying to stop yourself no no but you're
going to also then argue that you're the one making a call to psychiatrist moments before you go in and try to kill
people it's see what I'm saying it's convenience well it's convenient for him and his defense right that's what I'm
saying but at the same time it's interesting in because law enforcement is dealing with something that they
don't typically end up dealing with because in mass shootings in the last two decades over six about 60% of the
shooters decide to die during or after the attack they either commit suicide or they commit death by cop engaging the
police in a shootout or violently attacking or resisting them causing the police to kill them before they can be
apprehended so we're seeing a situation here where we have somebody that's committed this horrible crime that only
took minutes to take place and now we have an opportunity or we have the the dire situation of interviewing him and
trying to figure out whether he's sane or not and why he this why he led to this why what why did this end up
happening and but here's the other thing Captain we talked about the Joker we talked about uh you know he says I'm the
Joker and and some people have wondered that was was he acting like the Joker you know did he did he decide not to
commit suicide or death by cop instead was he choosing to live and View and witness the aftermath of this attack and
the destruction and the chaos that he created yeah I mean that the the you know and any of these events or any
crime I guess the the question always then becomes why why did this person do this and so a lot of people just say
well the reason why he wanted to do this was because he wanted to be famous and um I I think you can see some uh
evidence of that on on on some level but I think people make a big deal about that where he's like this some some
Mastermind yeah he was an intelligent guy but I think he did some shitty things some real shitty things that he
couldn't take back and I think he viewed them as such I mean when you're asking the cops and if you watch that
interrogation yeah there's moments where he's acting crazy and you could you know
again argue the validity of of his mental state but uh he's asking questions that show remorse and I don't
applaud him for that I think he you know he's still a piece of [ __ ] but but I don't but you know Fame what
does it matter if he wanted to be famous or not I challenge you a bit on that I don't know that he's showing remorse I
but you're on to something there I think that what he's showing is a level of sanity that he that he's not completely
insane yeah maybe it's not re you're exactly right he does ask the police were there any kids in the audience and
and he we would later find out that he chose a movie theater for for multiple reasons but one of the reasons why he
chose a movie theater was because he could choose a midnight premiere where there would be a lot of people where but
because of the time of day he didn't anticipate there being any children in the audience yeah and the problem is
there was a child uh there was also a pregnant lady um yeah the youngest victim was six
years old and as you said there was a a woman that was pregnant who the youngest
victim was the baby that wasn't born yet you know that's that's the youngest baby
that's the baby that even get to start its life you know because some guy was lost and and it's it's kind of stupid
you know so we have this guy he's he's been apprehended and there's really no question here Captain right there's no
question of did he do it or if he was the one that did it right at coming out at the time and there we did have the
San the sanity thing to to worry about uh but that's going to start to work its way out through the court system but
what we start to see is the hoax the well let's finish the trial real quick okay I mean so he goes on trial then
it's all about is he sane or insane MH right so then they have to figure that out uh a psychiatrist his examination of
him I think he spent I know I can't remember how long he spent with him I think it was 22 hours yeah 22 hours
interviewing and he he comes out and says look I think he's sane I don't think he's insane you know maybe has
some weirdness there but you're exactly right he he kind of says that he is he's
he's got some mental illness however he is not by def definition of Legally insane he's not legally insane right
he's aware of what he done and he's aware of what took place yeah and then there there becomes this argument that
people I I I keep seeing this you know you know you got the insanity plea right he's he's insane but people are starting
to bring up the idea of mental illness you know and and having that be some kind of Defense MH which um but
anyways so it comes out that you know for all intense purposes they say he's sane and then the jury finds him
guilty and his argument was that he was insane so then that he senten to do you what was that oh he got he got one of
the lengthiest sentences ever handed down he got 24 life sentences MH and tacked onto that he got like over 3,000
years on top of that and the reason for the 24 life sentences is he killed 12 people so they doubled that up and then
factoring into the the 3,000 well over 3,000 years that they add on to that I bet they didn't count the baby that that
is taken into account all of the people that were wounded or injured in the event itself as well as some other
charges for you know possession of explosives and and certain um things that in inciting panic and you know all
these other things that he was he was found guilty of so yeah so he's sentenced he's going to spend
the the rest of his life um in jail and and the big question at the time when when the trial happened was is he is he
going to die for this well he's going to die in prison and and and that's how it
goes now again people want to know what the why is because now if he's not insane then what's the motivation and
like I said one of the mo the motivating factors that people bring up time and time again and you'll see a lot of the
victims that were at trial talk about that well this is nonsense because this is getting bigger and bigger and and
this is what he wants right so um we we you know I don't think we'll ever know the reason why you know the real reason
no because people want to ask things like well is this a gun control problem or is this a mental health problem or is
this something in our society going on with with violence in movies or violence in video games and I actually think it's
probably a a whole bundle all those things up together um and don't go crazy I'm not saying take away the guns
nobody's saying that here what I'm saying that is that that is part of the issue you can't walk away from this and
say that that that at some point guns don't have anything to do with this they absolutely do yeah well I mean cuz you
know that that's the the choice of weapons but I mean look if the guy was going in with machete and trying to kill
everybody it it's a machete problem I mean but it it's definitely a mental health
problem and it's something that we don't talk about and I like I said it before the National Football League will have a
month where they wear pink and talk about cancer and that's great and we we need cancer awareness but one of the
things that we need more more in this country uh is mental health awareness and getting it to the point and here's
here's the here's the mess up thing with this whole situation James actually tried to get help you know and and and
that's I'm not putting any blame on the doctors you know but this is not not a kid that was uh going through some stuff
and then just decided Well I'm going to kill these people and you know so there's definitely some mental health
stuff going on um and that that just raises all these more all these questions and so years later um four
years later and because of the gun control thing mhm because of the gun control thing then this becomes this
conspiracy thing and you're exactly right and hoax and when because when we see these things Sandy Hook when we see
Coline when when these things happen immediately there's these people that come out of the woodwork and they say
nope this is your government your government set this up somehow or there's there's other players involved
in this and this is all because somebody wants to take away your right to own a gun exactly and uh there's been multiple
cases where there is proof that the media you know I don't know who the higher ups that are pulling the puppet
strings but they're has been cases um that in these different circumstances that it seems like there's some kind of
hoax to it so that so we're just going to go through these real quick because it's interesting so the first idea o of
this hoax and you can look it up is that it never happened and this is just nonsense one we got a guy in prison we
had this trial we have hundreds and hundreds of people hundreds of witnesses at the theater there's videotapes of it
people that say this is one one of the things that drives me not when people go there's no there's no cell phone footage
of the shooter okay well if somebody was shooting at me my first thought is not to pull out my phone and take a Snapchat
of this this douchebag you know what I mean so that argument and you're sitting there watching a movie that they've
already told you to turn off your cell phone just minutes earlier which I know not everybody abides by that role but
let's assume that you should turn it off you just turn it on silence is what they're asking for but but hundreds and
hundreds of witnesses right and then not only that but we have all these uh victims that
are taken to hospitals and there's hundreds and hundreds of people at the hospitals so did it happen yes this
happened if you're somebody that thinks um that this didn't happen and it's just
all a hoax you know maybe you should go talk to a doctor um the another hoax that that this one
drives me a little nuts is uh it's a different guy and what they do is they like to take pictures of uh James Holmes
before and then James Holmes after when he's arrested and they put him side by side and then they say see it's a
different person and I've watched these videos multiple times I don't see the difference I mean yeah he has a
different hairstyle color he looks like he's probably put on about 20 lbs um a fat not not muscle or anything and yeah
so he's the same guy he just looks different well and on top of that this would have to be a very elaborate hoax
if it's a different guy because let's think about this for a second most of the purchases that he made for ammo and
Firearms were purchased with a credit card that he carried he's the holder of this credit card he ordered some of
these things online from on online retailers he purchased some of and of purchasing of
guns um and so well their argument would be that they got rid of them a long time
before that and then this impostor is the one that setting it all up but like I said they're but again I'm just
pointing out I'm not saying it's impossible I'm saying it would be a very elaborate hoax frame this guy yeah yeah
it' be a very elaborate hoax that this never happened um so then the other idea is is they're two Shooters you know and
this is the point where you'll hear this over and over you hear it on the 91 you
on the 911 dispatches they talk about um two Shooters eyewitnesses say there was two
Shooters a couple of the eyewitnesses say well look he comes in the door and they there had to be two people one I
think I think that feeling is coming from how fast those bullets are coming out of that gun and then the other idea
is that well you know the the smoke bombs weren't going off in the same direction so it had to be two Shooters
well the smoke bombs aren't going off in the same direction CU he's tossing those
if you toss it 10 ft and the smoke goes up and a moment of chaos and a moment of
panic you're going to assume that well there's somebody over there um so you th this is not um when this is being
reported over and over and over I I think it does give some validity to look into that idea is there two Shooters
because we have multiple eyewitnesses that claim that there were now here's an here's something that gives that some
validity is um and I couldn't find this for certain but we talked about James Holmes being found
wearing a gas mask uh there was a gas mask that was found on the other end of the
building behind and there and it was found with a bloody knife now how much truth is is there I'm
not really for sure they also talk about some weird things with the guns the guns
being propped up and not just laying down and that there was possibly two a15s what1
AR15s um so that gives some idea the the idea was there two uh Shooters there was
also some reports of uh a a group of people in a in a van that pulled somebody into the van and some people
thought well that is um you know because none of somebody making a getaway right
my my argument would be they either just didn't see something correct on that level or possibly it was somebody
pulling in a victim to have get away um the other thing I don't buy about that is James Holmes has never brought that
to anybody else's attention that that there was multiple Shooters yeah and actually when he was asked if he was
alone by the arresting officers he pretty much just gave us he just kind of gave a smirk like he didn't really say
yes or no but um well that doesn't help the host hoax Theory because if he's a smirking then maybe no but I think that
that that goes along with other things that how he was reacting to his arrest um and the thing here too one thing that
I think throws this whole second shooter into into motion you know when when we talked about Coline we we had said that
you know some eyewitnesses believed that they had seen multiple groups of Two Men Walking
The Halls shooting at people and this was because the way the school was laid out that they were running they were
fleeing they were pan think you don't really know exactly what you're seeing when you're in that life or death
situation you just know that you're seeing something you may not it you may not process that you're seeing the same
person twice now it but one thing that happened here too was with the arresting officer he at one point did think that
there was a second shooter and the reason being was after he had apprehended uh James Holmes he saw a
green sight now this is like a laser scope sight that you would have on a handgun or on a firearm and he saw this
green sight pointing off in the off in the distance or near them and so he immediately goes on guard because now
he's concerned that there's a second shooter it's not very long after that that he realizes that that the sight
that he's seeing is left on the Glock that was on the roof of the white hatchback that that he had drug James
Holmes away from well the other thing too is that when he uh he sends like we talked about he
sends this package of the plan to uh his psychiatrist and there's no mention of a
second shooter in that so um you know there is some reason to dive into that and question that there doesn't seem to
be a lot of validity to that so like we talked about before is this the same guy
when they put the pictures up side by side it's definitely the same guy but then they start arguing well his body's
different well let's start let's think about this in middle school and high school he played
soccer and uh he he ran cross country and then he goes to college and now he's out of college he's you know he's in
college but for his Doctorate so he's gained the The Freshman 15 I mean this guy looks you know yeah he was in more
shape in in high school and he let himself go you know and then as he then it takes him two years to go stay in
trial and he lets himself go even more yeah well I mean I mean think about this though he's he has an athletic body type
according to his Adult FriendFinder account right but but there there we do know that on occasion he rode his bike
to and from school um we also know that like you said he's at school he's active
he's doing things no but what I'm talking about is high school he wasn't that active in college so yes your body
is is his body different yes his body is different but it's just that's that's what it looks like when somebody's not
in shape anymore but what I'm saying for me is I'm seeing a difference in body type between him at trial and him on the
day that he's arrested or within days of his arrest yeah it's a it's a progression but obviously it doesn't
take an Einstein to figure it out I didn't even have to leave the garage to figure it out it's because guess what
he's in solitary confinement for most of his incarceration for most of the time that he's being held because of multiple
reasons one they are worried that he's going to be killed by another prisoner or a person that's in the jail uh two
they are worried about him trying to take his own life there was reports of him slamming his head into walls uh and
him saying crazy things but there were also things when he was first brought in they were the the other inmates were
calling him a child killer and a baby killer and they they they made no butts about it that they wanted to hurt him so
he was held in solitary confinement for those reasons guess what unless you decide to drop to the floor and do
push-ups you don't get much activity in this situation okay so what are some other reasons why people would think
that this is possibly some kind of hoax and not not that it's not real but that it's for some other agenda well there's
a lot of talk about his funding for school in from uh DARPA right now DARPA is the defense Advanced research
projects agency it's roughly about 2.9 uh 2.97 billion dollar are allotted to DARPA every year uh they it's but again
there's no record of this uh it seems like the majority of the money that he's getting to go to school is coming from
the University as as far as grants go yeah he got a grant as well as a stien uh and on top of that his parents seemed
to have some kind of money that he may have been receiving money from them and we do know that he had in his possession
a credit card that he was not afraid to use yeah I mean and and the the big argument about this is that all the
stuff he bought was possibly about $10,000 worth of uh equipment that he purchased for the attack um again he's
you know I we're talking about 20 some thousand coming in from U the school to pay for his and I I just didn't find
anything that showed any validity that DARPA was paying for his school uh the other thing that is weird that is they
say that this is you know a big conspiracy because his therapist worked for the Air Force she was a and now
there is some validity to this she did work for the Air Force she also has kind of a dark dark past she was charged with
some weird stuff she was uh prescribing pills for herself prescribing pills for her family members she got in trouble
with the DEA about this they do their little whatever they got to do and then she ends up here and so the again that
it's this part of this conspiracy theory well she worked for the Air Force so that means she's connected to the
government and that means that he is like some Silent Assassin or whatever you want to call like a Manchurian
Candidate yeah MK alra type of stuff so there's some validity to that idea but again uh she saw him three times you
know but is there I don't think that there is I think some of these are just leaps that people are making it's a leap
but what I'm saying is she did work for the Air Force you know she was a psychiatrist for the Air Force no I get
that part of it but it's also the same thing as saying well the captain knows Nick and Nick knows John somebody over
there so so know somebody so that so therefore that means that joh over there knows the captain well that's that's a
bit of a leap yeah and then that it comes out that there's this inmate that sees him when he's in jail mhm and she
makes these claims that he's screaming stuff and and and doing all this stuff later come to find out that she was not
an inmate that she worked for the prison it's it's a weird thing why she did what
she did or who told her to do that it's a strange thing to me still no validity that there's some conspiracy theory or
that this just happened so the our government can take away our guns um let's see some other stuff that
was interesting people always talked about him being drugged uh yes he was definitely drugged
uh on some level they they reported this in the paper basically saying that that
James Holmes was on some kind of truth serum which we know truth STM as being like LSD this was not LSD it is weird
that they drugged him but also this is a guy that has made multiple claims you know that he saw shadow people he saw
well that was reported because they were trying to decide they needed this psychi
psychiatrist to see him to make a determination whether he was sane or legally insane at the time of the event
for the purpose of his trial now during this they one of the methods that they thought of pursuing would be to feed him
this truth serum and to figure out if if he's telling the truth because he is of
the level of intelligence that he may be able to fake some kind of insanity right
especially because he was a somebody that was studying the brain and how the brain reacts and how the brain works um
and and so he may be able to fake that ultimately they decided not to give him that they they they figured out that the
best way to figure out if he's if he's acting or if he's actually being true and real was to monitor him by multiple
people over the course of a lengthy amount of time because anybody I don't care how smart you are how dumb you are
most people can act a certain level of crazy for a certain amount of time but if you do that if you expand it over a
long enough timeline people can't hold that up after a while right right right yeah and so
you know um there's some validity there I mean they they were they did give him some
drugs or whatever um I don't know what that proves you know I think that I think the thing that
they say is like a lot of stuff with this whole MK Ultra talk is that um well we put somebody uh you know the sleeper
assassin they go they go up they they he did the attack and now he can't remember
any of it and now we're going to drug him and the whole idea is that we're going to take him away from society and
we're going to screw up his brain and so what they're saying is they're drugging him so therefore
it's a conspiracy well they are drugging him but they're not hiding the fact that
they did drug him and part of that is because he's on suicide watch right and that's that's typical protocol to follow
when when they have you you you feed them the drugs because it dolls them down and it and it and it calms their
behavior so again it's happening they're not being secretive about it I don't think it plays you shouldn't run with
this idea to make it a conspiracy but what they said was so after the media reports that wow James Holmes looks
super drugged up then the um judge says no more media and again conspiracy theorists say okay well see here's an
example of them trying to cover this up yeah they actually issued like a 2 and a
half year gag order on people that were close to the case they were not allowed to speak to the media regarding the
James Holmes case well the what the judge said you can believe it or not was he didn't want it to turn into a media
circus and you know obviously you know what even with with all the extra that they put on to it trying to make it not
turn into a circus it I mean it still it still was received in my opinion as a circus yeah so let me look at this okay
so okay if we want to stuff that would make you some eyebrows right they would raise your
eyebrows and at James Holmes is famous for his stupid eyebrows um some things that raise some eyebrows that just could
just be pure crazy or is there something to it uh debor Cave so what happens is they're when they're going to sentence
him this lady which people claim was homeless and that she was at the courthouse for a couple days she gets up
and says don't kill him it's not his fault and she's screaming this and that okay that's not that weird
but then she started saying look it's mental health it's a mental health issue you know maybe he's sane but his mental
health this is where it gets strange Deborah cave says I'm his real mother they took him from
me and then and James Holmes's mom turns around and now she's crying some mutter
they mutter some stuff and you know they're trying to detain Deborah cave and then she says some stuff and then
she mutters FBI now that happened we know that yeah we also know that Deborah cave was uh found
in contempt of court and then they arrested her for this I don't know what happened to De Deborah cave I don't know
if she was homeless I don't know if she was on drugs I don't know if she's mentally well but it's something that
goes well that raises some eyebrows I don't know what it means but it's weird it's very it's certainly strange um
Holmes looks like his mother you know have have you seen any interviews with the with his mother he he looks like his
mother I that that's not that's I think he looks like his father as well yeah I mean he looks like his parents to me I
mean that's not a DNA test you know but uh so uh okay the other thing that that um raises a couple questions for me is
on the police radio you talk about them looking for a shooter that is wearing blue blue jeans and a plaid
shirt that raises some suspicion to me because that's definitely not what he was wearing he's wearing all black but
again that could have just been you know misidentification um let's get into some
of the little juicier stuff the the one of the main things that people bring up is that Robert Holmes um James's home uh
James Holmes father so Robert Holmes is a mathematician and also a scientist like I said he has degrees from Stanford
UCLA and UC Berkeley the idea was that he was going to be on trial or testify in a case dealing with
uh this is the bank Scandal yeah Liber right I think that's what it's called now basically what it is is that when
when Banks borrow money from each other there's a system on how that works um now you can read into this as much as
you want and there's some weird stuff too because they people try to make some connection that uh James's holes James
Holmes father was connected to this Liber and so was a victim's father and Sandy Hook there's not much validity to
the Sandy Hook connection uh but yes um Robert Holmes definitely had some stuff to do with FICO credit scores some
computer programming and and different stuff in his field to help with banking um and some people would say well that
connects Robert Holmes to the elite of the elite therefore uh James is as part of this
conspiracy uh I don't know if I buy that it is very odd and it makes me want to dive into it more but I I don't know if
that proves that this this is a conspiracy there's there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there regarding
this case and regarding Sandy Hook and regarding a lot of these other mass shootings but at the end of the day
the thing is this this mass shooting problem is a problem and and it's happening all the time I mean I want to
give you some quick numbers here okay according to the FBI the FBI considers a a homicidal Rampage like a mass shooting
they consider their definition of a mass shooting is where the attack results in
the death of four or more persons okay so in the 1980s in the United States there were eight
of these such attacks in the 1990s there was 54 of them in the 2000s there was 87 and from the years of 2006 to
2010 we had 156 of these attacks so hoax no hoax whatever you you dive down all the
rabbit holes you want to go to that's fine and that's all well good but you can't argue against these numbers the
other thing that's crazy too is America's robbery theft and assault assult rates are similar to numbers that
are seen and compared to other developed countries like the US however our gun homicide rate we have about 11,000 gun
deaths a year in this country this is according to the Centers for Disease Control and prevention so we're looking
at numbers from 2013 so this what this is is this means that our you our gun homicide rate is 30
times higher than that of countries like France or Australia MH so we're we're seeing an we're seeing a problem here
and we're seeing it repeat itself time and time again and it's increasing rapidly no I I get that but a lot of
those countries are also quite smaller than ours you know so murder per per capita and all that stuff but yeah but
they still have the same they say have the exact same numbers of robberies and thefts and assaults yeah I mean I think
we definitely have a mental health issue I definitely think we have um and and you know in the 80s and the '90s we
actually had a lot more Vi our violent uh attacks as far as um violent assaults the rates were much higher for those
singular attacks back then but you had a lot fewer of these these shooting massacres well when you said conspiracy
or not well yeah now we're having a problem but it's a it's it's a big problem if this is some conspiracy you
know to to control the narrative um now what they talked about was you know with
this MK Ultra thing well we talked about this is the number one hair raising thing that gives some validity not that
it's hoax and it's fake but that they're trying to control the narrative is they talk about with the
mko ultra once you do something then you you might have amnesia but we don't want
you to get get to the point where you do remember now there was a couple times that uh inmates said that James Holmes
was yelling uh the FBI brainwashed Me Maybe that's true maybe it's not maybe that's part of psychosis maybe it's not
I don't know maybe it him part of him acting crazy because but I think I believe that doctor when he said he was
in he was actually sayane because I see those those fragments of Sanity in his interrogation and if you think that this
guy is just some crazy psycho uh watch those interrogations yeah you're going to see some Humanity inside him and
you're going to see some sess but well you're going to see some thought put into action of his attack okay yeah yeah
yeah you're going to see that because he's asking about the children like you had said and there's other things that
they learn from this notebook that they that they get that he sent to the psychiatrist they figure out that that
he again he picked the late night showing of this movie movie because he didn't believe that there would be any
children in there the notebook clearly states he clearly presents himself as somebody that wants to kill people and
he thinks about becoming a serial killer however he decides that that's not the route he's going to go because that's
too personal of an of an attack that's that's an up close and personal he wouldn't be able to handle something
like that he also thinks about going into an airport and carrying out a mass shooting in an airport however he
decides that he doesn't want to do that because there would be too much security
there and that he would probably be stopped before he could get to what he do what he wants to do he also thought
about using explosives to to kill a lot of people however he decided not to use explosives because he was worried that
he would blow himself up in the process right well he uses explosives but and then that's another part about the
conspiracy some people believe there was no bombs at all in his apartment but and
which then in that case The Notebook goes with that thought but the but the big hair raising thing um if you want to
start diving down the conspiracy thing and really which gives some validity to it you know is we don't know where James
Holmes is right you know he was arrested uh he you know went on trial he's charged and sentenced he sentenced all
that stuff and then they did this uh prisoner trade so basically this one prison will we're going to give you a
prisoner well he was attacked well yeah he was attacked he was attacked what happened was at one of the correction
officers accidentally well we don't need to go into that but for whatever reason there
was a door that was left unlocked or or a cell that was left unlocked somehow uh
somebody didn't do their job correctly and an inmate was able to get to James home homes and assaulted him and after
this took place this was last year after this took place they transported him to
another prison and they will not say where he's being held and they say that this is for his personal safety yeah so
what they do is a one 14 one we're going to trade this prisoner for you they say
it's for his safety and then the the there's uh parents of the victims that just want to know where he's at and
they won't say and the state I guess technically doesn't have to say uh that the hair raising thing when that
happens now and all and by the way he's not prisoner James Holmes anymore he's prisoner whatever they say they changed
his name who knows right so nobody knows where he's at um that's the the that's one of the main things I don't find that
fishy at all yeah but I find that to be a problem and I a problem because in certain States and it might be all 50
States I'm not certain but I know for I know for a fact that some of the states carry the system where they are required
to treat their inmates and the inmates have the same rights as the citizens of that state right well this presents some
problems because we've seen in some states where where maybe somebody wants to be a man wants to become a woman well
everybody has that right so now the state has to pay for that process to take place and that's not a cheap
process so in this situation we're seeing we're seeing where they need to keep James Holmes safe without being
attacked or without being killed by another inmate because that's the same thing that they would transpire to any
citizen of that state yeah I I have a problem with this I don't I don't have a problem with keeping inmates safe I
think that they should I they should be safe the problem here is I do think that
the victim's families as well as the general public has much of every much of a right to know where he's being kept
and how long he's going to be kept there I think that people need to know this I
I think you know if if punishment is the deterrent for committing a crime or harmful acts to others then we need to
see the punishment right we need to be aware of it this guy doesn't shouldn't just be able to vanish like a ghost in
the night right and now and now this now he becomes more of a of a Legend So to speak yeah and I think because of that
that you know Sparks fire I'm not saying it gives any validity to this idea that
it's conspiracy that you know this is some part of like you know mind control or
something um but I think it it's one of those things that conspiracy theorists will go haha see see we can't even find
James Holmes how can we know anything um but yeah there's some there's some odd stuff about this but
and any of these cases I mean you can look up this stuff about uh you know the Illuminati cards and you can look up all
these number theories about James Holmes um look if you're looking for answers and you're looking for odd things that
don't line up you're going to find those if you look for them you know if you're
really searching them out but uh man we've gone long enough already oh wow so anyways he's a he's a real piece of [ __ ]
um you know I think we should know where he's at um I agree I agree but he's a real piece of [ __ ] especially the
victim's families um and like we said there's so many victims here I mean when you when you tally it all up uh it's
crazy and what's sad is that this kid showed promise you know this kid showed um intellect and you know he he
could have done who knows what he could have done and in the positive realm and he didn't
do that and then he and he takes these innocent people's lives and affects all these people it's it's a sad story well
and you know what here's the thing too you know you we often you know I've said it myself and I've heard other people
say it as well when when these mass shootings happen and you know we said that 60% of them decide to commit
suicide or die during the act or after the act and he didn't do that in this situation and when when we see these
mass shootings we often say myself included well why didn't he just go kill himself you know instead of doing this
horrible thing why didn't he just go kill himself I can't answer that question but
here's here's what I want to know I think there's something going on with the Youth of America and it's not Youth
Of America as a whole but it's happening in these little pockets right and we're
seeing these mass shootings happen at a fast rate year after year after year we all want to know why they're
happening but at the same time some of this is to get noticed some of it is a way to get noticed now here's a good way
to go out and get noticed go talk to a psychiatrist go tell them that you know what I'm H there's something inside of
me telling me to kill people or telling me to to to shoot into an audience of people why don't you choose to be famous
or choose to be known or or be somebody that was somebody that saved lives rather than taking them yeah you'd be
known as the the mass murderer That Never Was or something like that yeah all right let's wrap this up cuz um it's
all getting a little too much for me today we got a little hairy and scary in the garage tonight they're draining man
these cases drain you you you research them you trying to find interesting things to talk about but at the at the
end of the day uh innocent people lost their lives and and it's and it sucks and it's well and the the terrible thing
too is it's senseless it's absolutely senseless and we've we've locked ourselves in the garage for the last
week trying to get into the mind of James Holmes and figure out why this happened and there and I I need to get
out I need to get out all right recommended reading thank you Captain I want to recommend the spiral notebook
the Aurora Theater shooter and the epidemic of violent Mass violence committed by American Youth this is by a
husband and wife team uh Steven and Joyce singular and they this is a very interesting book of course it talks
about James Holmes and the events leading up to the attack and the things that took place afterwards but one thing
that they did that was interesting here is they discuss some of the other mass shootings in this country they discuss a
lot of numbers and statistics as well as interviewing parts of American Youth and
asking them their opinion on of the epidemic of what's going on in this country so again that's the spiral
notebook by Steven and Joyce singular you can pick that up by going to truecrime garage.com click on the
recommended page and you're going to see this book as well as all the other books
and uh even we recommended a movie last week so go check that out true Crim garage.com uh sorry the well I'm not
sorry I'm not sorry that the episode was so long well some people some people might not like it I enjoyed sitting here
speaking with you and we avoid avoided watching the election uh in the process we did get out and try to Rock the vote
but who knows what will happen with that I mean no spoilers but uh but either way
Mur didn't win regardless of the outcome let's all be friends and let's all be a
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24 year old James Holmes entered the movie theatre, along with hundreds of others, for the midnight premier for the much anticipated film "The Dark Knight Rises." James does not plan to sit and enjoy the movie nor does he intend for anyone else to enjoy it. Shortly after the start of the movie James goes on a homicidal rampage against all in attendance. Tonight we discuss one of the most senseless and disturbing acts of public violence in recent history.

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Brief Summary

The episode examines the Aurora Theater shooting, James Holmes' background, and the impact of the tragedy on victims and society.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts introduce the show and discuss their drinking habits amidst election stress.
The Aurora Theater Shooting. Discussion of the tragic event that occurred in Colorado on July 20, 2012.
James Holmes' Mental Struggles. James Holmes faced significant mental health challenges leading up to the shooting.
The Midnight Premiere. The shooting occurred during a sold-out midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises.
The Attack Unfolds. Holmes executed a planned attack during the movie, resulting in chaos and tragedy.
Miracle Amidst Chaos. Nurses and doctors go into survival mode to save lives after the shooting, highlighting their quick actions as a miracle.

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This is absolutely one of the most senseless acts I've ever heard of.

Host reflecting on the tragic Aurora Theater shooting.

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