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1999 Scarboro police receive a call from a motorist reporting a body lying in the
center of pinepoint road Michael Lopes was a passenger in a car he was catching a ride home to Old Orchard Beach from
work the night was Pitch Black there were no other cars on the road Michael saw no persons walking and
nothing nothing unusual during the drive when suddenly the driver was forced to Swerve to avoid hitting
something in the road it appeared to be a body when the car stopped Michael got out and ran over to the body and knelt
beside it he first thought that someone had been hit by a car but no the body appeared to be placed there so very
perfectly in the middle of the road Michael grabbed the shoulder and slowly turned the body over only to see
the young expressionless face of Ashley olette her eyes were closed a bluish Hue
on her cheeks her skin felt warm but she had no pulse this is true crime [Music]
garage [Music] Ashley olette was born March 29th 1983 in beautiful Sako Maine which is in York
County her parents are Robert and leas and together they ran a successful real estate agency they have one other child
a daughter Lindsay who is just a couple of years younger than Ashley Ashley's Father Robert lived in Sako all of his
life his whole entire life he was the president of his class for four years in high school this is at Thorton Academy
he was a member of the city's historic commission and his brother Ashley's uncle is a former Sako City
councelor her mother was not from Sako leas moved to Old Orchard Beach at Just 4 years of age her family moved from
Quebec Ashley's mother has seven siblings that she remains close with so she's from a very big family leas
considers herself to be a family oriented homebody Ashley is growing up in Sako Main in the
90s this is a beautiful area there you will find beaches thick woodlands and like one would expect on the coast there
are plenty of islands to visit this is a beautiful New England Town 17 miles south of Portland Maine so it's about a
23 minute drive south of Portland the olette house was a modern bright yellow Cape Cod in a wooded Better Homes and
Gardens type neighborhood the yard in landscaping was always topnotch always meticulous it was well known that
Ashley's parents would do anything for their children in fact her friends used to tell as Ashley You've Got It Made and
Ashley would respond I know some of her things that she loved she loved Italian sandwiches who doesn't
she idolized Marilyn Monroe Norma Jean mortensson and Ashley kept her Hollywood style
bedroom so tidy she was known as Miss neat to her family she kept her shoes lined up in uniform rows in her closet
her clothing shirts shorts shorts pants all piled up neatly in dresser drawers she kept perfume bottles makeup
containers nail polish and such all lined up and arranged very neatly and precisely on her bedside table Ashley
was fun and outgoing she made friends very easily now some described her as headstrong and at times even a little
defiant in elementary school Ashley was a very good student her second grade teacher said Ashley was like a sponge
because she just absorbed everything but then came her time at Sako Middle School
her mother says that Ashley was always an a student this up until middle school the middle school years became difficult
for Ashley and this was more I think captain of a social thing not so much an intelligence thing you know we see this
in a lot of kids lives when they start to become very social Social Butterflies if you will the social part of school
becomes much more important than the academic part of school yeah she was an attractive young lady and I think she
was getting attention from the seventh and eighth grade boys and I think that led her to maybe take the social aspect
of school a little more serious than the academic side and who doesn't love a little bit of attention and it seems
like she really enjoyed the attention yeah when I was in sixth grade I got a lot of attention from the seventh and
eighth grade boys as well I was the guy that had to sit in the corner in every classroom MH so the grades for Ashley
they start to drop a little once she hits sixth grade and then they stay low and unimpressive in seventh grade as
well this is about the same time that she starts to disregard some of her parents and household rules so she has a
curfew of 900 p.m. when she's in seventh grade she didn't just break that curfew
once she is disregarding this curfew regularly in eighth grade she started smoking cigarettes she's drinking a
little bit and staying out later and later and it's well known that some nights she didn't even come home at all
efforts to reason with her from her parents you can picture how this is going to go mom and dad are going to try
to enforce the household rules try to Sten out daughter this is going to turn into arguments and it's going to turn
into parents butting heads with their young daughter it seems Captain like at this point Ashley's a bit of out of
control it's also believe that she may have become sexually active around this time now I do want to clear something up
because I didn't think that this was an accurate depiction of what was going on some reports state that she had run away
several times or run away many times I don't find that to be truthful at all and frankly I I I don't like the way
that that's reported what the way that I think it should be reported is how we just stated it she's breaking curfew
some night she's not coming home at all that's because she's out with friends and choosing not to come home she's not
running away from a bad household or from parents that she does not love she's just breaking Mom and Dad's rules
in fact we do know that Ashley was very close with her mother even though they had some of these disagreements now over
the next two years of Ashley's life her parents they're going to struggle because they're trying to re her in a
little bit she's got this Wild Spirit she's a free spirit but they also don't want to push her away so they're kind of
walking a tight RPP the other thing too keep in mind Ashley has a younger sister
and you don't want older sister kind of Paving the way of doing whatever the heck she wants for the younger sister
thinking that that is acceptable well like I said Ashley's hanging out with some individuals that are just a little
bit older than her but some some teenagers get this mentality of like I I want to be an adult I want to grow up
faster than than one should and now looking back on things it's like you know it' be nice to stay that
age for a little bit longer I agree with you there's there's times I wish I would
have stayed 15 forever yeah no bills for a couple of couple of decades at least so her parents decide that they're going
to enroll her at this place called sweet sir Children's Services in Sako this is
for a week of inpatient counseling and then in 1998 Ashley enrolled in Thorton Academy's alternative education program
so now she's attend in the same school that her father once attended but she's going to be taking this alternative
education program which is geared towards kids who are struggling in mainstream classes remember she's
struggling because of of not taking School seriously and being worried too much about being social and hanging out
with friends but between these two programs it seems like Mom and Dad have done some good things here and did some
things right because Ashley started to turn her life around a bit this is from her dad he says after sweet sir things
started to get better she was really making an effort and he says that he was proud of that Ashley's grades were
improving and she was doing much better at home as well and he says that she was
even trying to quit smoking well again teenagers go through phases and sometimes they realize
hey this is not me breaking curfew me running around with these Knuckleheads and causing my family all
this Guff right is not worth it so maybe I should just get my act together her parents say that she was also seeming to
develop better friendships and they thought that she was acting more maturely better
friendships is a good thing too because right when when the kid brings home some
some knucklehead boy or girl that that yeah knucklehead that is seems to be a shady character you you wonder oh when
my child leaves these four walls does he or she behave like the person that they
just brought home to to meet Mom and Dad yeah I think Rocky said it and Rocky won
best if you hang out with coconut friends and you become a coconut this is really impressive here at this young age
Ashley coached a classmate her name is Kimberly really helped her through a pregnancy and a childbirth
and she was also trying to help a friend who was battling bulimia so two very serious situations and I love seeing
Ashley step up here showing some maturity and also showing that she's got the backs of her friends that are going
through some difficult times yeah and I know it sounds cheesy but service to others becomes a service to yourself now
as we all heard in today's trailer unfortunately the this is a homicide case in 1999 Ashley was just a sophomore
at Thorton Academy at the time of her death she would have graduated in 2001 well let's dive into the timeline of
this case so we're looking at Tuesday February 9th again this is 1999 we have Ashley she's 15 at the time
she asked her mother if she can stay the night at a friend's house it's a school
night normally this won't fly in most households but Mom says you know what she was going to make an exception here
well the friend only lived like a mile away yeah so her mother Lee says yes that's our rule as well in our house you
don't stay the night or have friends over to stay the night on school nights but she was involved in these two
programs her grades were coming up she was acting more maturely I think Mom thought that this might be a little bit
of a reward or a little pat on the back to say hey we see you're making an effort we know that you are concerned
about being social and you want to hang out with your friends how about you go and have a little evening at your
friend's house mom thought all would be fine she was expected Ashley was expected to go to school with her friend
that she was staying the night at her house with the following morning MH this friend her name is all Li page now Mom
says later she's going to tell the papers quote I almost said no because the rule is you don't go out on a school
night but she said to me Ashley mom I've been doing so well so I said okay now here is where things start to get tricky
right so mom takes Ashley remember she's only 15 so she's not able to drive herself at this time mom takes her to
her friend's house and later would say when we got there the two two cars that she saw parked in the driveway were the
cars that she knew belong to all I's parents these are her parents cars her friend's parents cars so Mom says I drop
her off and I'm thinking driving away it's all good the kids parents are there mhm as the captain said Alli page lived
at 57 James Street this is near downtown Sako this is only about a mile from Ashley's home which is located on
Thunder Road well and she was also a good friend and she was a good person so it's like okay you know it's not like
you're having your daughter spend the night on a school night with some scum bum right it's this is a good friend
good person good influence they've been good friends for a long period of time what we're going to find out later sadly
is that Ali PA's parents were not home that night this was a rude Little Miss Paige was going to be having
a little party at her house that night in her parents' absence so let's go to 10 p.m. that night now one thing that we
know happened for certain Ashley calls her parents and she's calling to check in
because she wants to know had anybody called for her at her home that evening her mother said that the girls were
painting their nails that's what they told them Ashley said that she you know normal I love you go back and
forth I love you Mom and Mom says I love you too sweetheart and unfortunately those will be the last words that the
two will exchange a little deeper into that timeline here Captain let's go to the
Press Herold so after Ashley talks to her mom we have some young boys that are going to be coming over to for this
party and soon soon after we have a guy named Edwin Hernandez he's age 19 at this time so
unfortunately we have some young teenage girls and there might be some teenage boys there but we know of at least one
adult male at this party at this time now Edwin is asked by Ashley if he would give her a ride to
another location she tells this is according to Edwin and according to some of the people that
were at the party that night Ashley tells Edwin that she needed to get to her aunt's house because she
was going to be babysitting her nieces or nephews in the morning this guy agrees to give her a
ride now Ashley what we would learn is really having him drive her to stevenh sandboards house so this is s miles away
from the party house at 50 Mast Hill Road this is a double wide set far back in the woods down a long dirt road we
have some better insight as to Ashley's intentions this from her good friend Aly
page who says that before Ashley left she says to her friend I want to go see Steve when I get
a buzz I get a crush on Steve a little bit of a background Steve and Ashley have known each other
for a couple of years by this point M Ashley gets to Steve's house now keep in mind as far as we know and everything
we're being told by all accounts Edwin Hernandez does not know that he is taking Ashley to another boy's house he
is under the ruse that I'm driving her to a relative's house Ashley gets to Steven's house and knocks on the door
and there's no answer so Edwin then drives her five miles back into town this to use a pay phone remember those
things they're used to be a bunch of them now good luck find one yeah Superman used to change his outfits in
those so they're at a pay phone at a gas station this is on flag Pond Road and Route One and this is at approximately
10:40 5 p.m. and I'm betting you captain that the police have record of this as they should this being a call that was
paid for Ashley calls the sandborn house and there's a guy named Christopher Cody
who's living there he's 18 I believe he's 18 at the time he's staying at the Sanborn house I don't know the
particulars of why he is staying there but it's reported that he is the one that answers this call it's reported he
tries to wake up Steve but Steve is sleeping and says he doesn't want to talk to Ashley so no answer at the door
not receptive to her call according to the people that are available today to tell us what happened that night but as
the report goes around midnight Edwin drops Ashley back off at the sandborn house and then he after seeing her gain
access to the house will then leave and it's reported that he goes back to the party that he and Ashley had left
earlier the report here is a little bit odd Ashley knocks on the rear door to the basement of the sandborn house this
is where there's two sandborn boys right we have Daniel sanbor who is 16 and we have Stephen sanbor who is I'm a little
confused here because some reports state that he's 18 and I've seen a couple reports that say he was 19 at the time
so somewhere in that age age range she's knocking on the rear door to this home this this door leads to the basement and
it's my understanding captain that both the sandborn brothers each had a bedroom located in that basement all
right so now we're at about 1230 Daniel sandborn 16 brother of Stephen wakes up with the knocking this
is according to his statements he said that Ashley entered the home on her own and met he met her
in the hallway now I there are plenty of reports that are backed up with multiple
accounts that Daniel was at the same party that Ashley had came from and that he was there from approximately 6:00
p.m. to 11:00 p.m. so maybe he was sleeping maybe he wasn't I think there's a lot of questionable details within
these statements yeah and it seems like he had a relationship with Ashley like an on again off again relationship Steve
from my understanding Steve did what makes it difficult here Captain is we got two sandborn brothers the way I
understand it is that Daniel the younger brother may have had a a crush on Ashley Ashley not so interested in
Daniel because she had had a previous relationship with Steve the older brother and as we were just told she had
said to her good friend that she still had a crush on older brother Steve but she would know Daniel because he would
be a classmate of hers at that Thorton Academy we also already covered that the friend of the Sanborns Christopher Cody
was living at that home at the sandborn home also at this time so that's another
variable that we have to throw in there so the reports are that Ashley arrives at the home around 12: to 12:30 a.m. we
have parents Muriel and Earl sandburn are they are home at the time Ashley asked the mother if she could stay the
night according to the sandborn mom she says that Ashley told her she needed a place to stay because she had gotten
into an argument with her parents that evening and they kicked her out of the house right we have lies upon lies upon
lies and some of them coming from our victim right Mrs sandborne says you know what I'll help you out you're allowed to
stay the night but you're going to have to sleep on the couch in the basement now again mind you her son's bedrooms
are also downstairs in this basement area at 12:45 a.m. Mariel says she saw Daniel her son getting an orange soda
from the upstairs fridge when ask what he's doing he says he's getting a drink for Ashley and she sees her son take the
soda downstairs to Ashley the report here is that Ashley says that it is too hot for her to sleep in the basement and
that she decides to go upstairs to sleep on the couch that is located in the living room and according to Daniel
sandborne he says that this is the last time so we're at 12:45 a.m. approximately he says that this is the
last time that he ever sees Ashley olette yeah basically everybody's story at the sanberg house is that she left
she eventually just decided to leave on her own accord yeah she went to go sleep
on the couch everybody went to bed we wake up and she's gone she must have got up and decided that she was going to
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that night and look she's she's twisting things a little bit herself to maybe get
what she wants uh or to do whatever she wants that night to go where she wants that night yeah things a lot
yeah and I'm also not going to pretend that we're getting the full story and every truthful detail from all parties
involved absolutely not and I say that with not just the people at the sandburn home but also the teenagers and young
adults that are attending this party on a Tuesday night on a school night maybe not everybody knows what's going on
maybe people have reasons for not telling the truth we'll let the listeners decide for themselves what we
have here is now we have the sandborn parents they say that they got up that morning at 6:45 a.m. and when they woke
up that morning Ashley who they told could sleep on the couch not there at their house I don't want to point a lot
of fingers here but I think there needs to be some finger pointing here I think that unfortunately that there is
something that everybody multiple people you will see throughout this True Crime Story I think
that there are things that a lot of people wish that they would have done differently yeah I mean first of all we
have Ashley's mom that has come out she said look I wish I never would have let her go it was a school night then you
have Ashley's friend that says hey I wish I would have never let her leave the party then you have the mother
saying well once Ashley got to our house and is saying that hey I had this argument with my my mother and my
parents and and I just need a place to stay she probably wishes that she would have just said he you know what you
can't stay here and I'm going to drive you back to your parents house look I'm not trying to be bad cop to the kids out
there I'm not trying to to play detective every day of my life but I'm just one of those people that I I want a
little more information right when a kid tells me something I don't just always believe that it's true and again I'm not
trying to fault anybody here but I I know in my heart that Ashley's mom wishes she could go back in time and
just get out of the car knock on the door and say Hey kid it's nice that you're having my daughter stay the night
tonight would you mind if I spoke with your mom or dad real quick right I know that I
hope that the sandborn mom I I really wish that she would have picked up the phone and just said you know what if you
want to if you want to stay here I don't want to kick you I'm not trying to kick
you out mhm but can we just can I just have a quick phone call with your mom or dad to confirm that you know that you
need a place to stay tonight and maybe maybe I guess in her defense that she thought that the kid would run off if if
she tried to pull that move but I still think that that's probably the right move I don't know it's it's these
stories are always difficult to tell and when you're researching it and you're and you're going through the information
there's always these parts that I know that everybody wishes that they could change couldn't stop myself from voicing
that here not trying to blame anybody but we all have regrets I know that I have regrets there's always things that
we know that we could have done differently and probably better we have these time points the these events that
take place in a very short timeline the next point in our timeline is at 3:57 a.m. on February 10th remember the party
was at her friend's house the night before February 9th this is when Mike Lopes he's driving home and there's a
little more detail in this that that I think is necessary he is actually requested a ride he was having some
vehicle trouble so he's leaving work and he's he's going home and he's now in the
car with his mom and they are driving and they're out in the middle of this dark desolate stretch of road this is
Pine Point Road in Scarboro Maine yeah and if you saw a picture of this in the daytime there's nothing to the left and
nothing to the right it's just nothing just a road and nothing I was lucky enough to go to Maine and I tell you
that's that's part of the beauty of the state that there's not a whole lot of stuff right not a whole lot of man-made
stuff that's cluttering up the area this spot would be roughly 10 miles from the
F born residents and Mike Lopes would say that when they're driving they come across what they think appears to be a
body that's lying in the middle of the road mhm we would later learn that this is Ashley this turns out to be Ashley
Mike says that in the beam of the headlights it looked to him like whoever it was and and he he actually says that
he couldn't tell if it was male or female just that it was a person he thought that the person looked to have
been placed there and that she was lying face down on the center line of the road
now he actually approaches the body tries to turn her over and he says that she was blue there was a little bit of
blood around her mouth it's February and it's in Maine so it's pretty cold but her body is still warm to the touch
you're exactly right so it was 36° would be the high for that day the well let me be clear the average high
for February and Maine is 36° the low the average low would be 16 degrees in February so it's probably somewhere in
that range he says that that when they approach the body that again that she was lying there almost like she was
placed there neatly her arms are at her sides her legs are straight toes are pointed down and as the captain said her
body was still warm even in the cold February night yeah and look when you're driving on
these I guess you could call them a rural road but you got to be careful of deer or other animals that might jump
into your pathway and then you see this object from everything I read it seems like they had to you know swerve and and
make sure they they didn't hit it mhm he gets out of the car realizes it's just a person turns her
body over try you know she's warm to the touch tries to do CPR and then you go well why would this person be in the
middle of the road did they get hit by a car mhm well you wouldn't have your arms
placed to your side you your legs wouldn't be straight there was no evidence that she
was hit by a car so then it's like who placed her here and why yeah you're exactly right Captain the body showed no
signs of vehicular trauma like you would expect to see if she had been hit walking across the street or having been
standing in the road for any number of reasons and it was clear that pardon the term that she was dumped there and the
so police are going to come out rather quickly she's fully clothed right no signs of vehicular trauma
and police come out pretty quickly and they say look this is what we're dealing with here between sometime between 12:30
a.m. and 4 a.m. roughly on February 10th we believe the cause of death was homicide by
strangulation so they're saying We Believe between this time frame 12:30 and 4: a.m. someone wrapped their hands
around Ashley's throat and strangled her to death and then placed the body where
it's later located some articles say that they think that she was laid in the middle of the road hoping that she would
get run over by a car and I absolutely agree with that I mean we've covered boys on the tracks boys in the road it
it it the boys on the tracks case that's exactly what the the murderers wanted to
happen that the bodies would be destroyed by the train passing over them and in this case we get really lucky
here as far as investigators go and and the public in general had had a car run or or a large vehicle run over
her that night after she was placed there this thing may have been ruled an accident it it we could have a whole
different set of circumstances here right unfortunately we have a homicide that we have to deal with but at least
in this case we know that it's a homicide we know the cause of death and we also know based off of many people's
accounts the timeline of that night well like I said if you saw a picture of this
area there's nothing to the left or to the right of the roadway makes me wonder if these individuals knew this area took
her to maybe dispose of the body in some other Manner and either got nervous or just decided to change plans and then
say well let's just dump her in the middle of the road the interesting thing here too as far as the investigation
goes is that other than a very short period of time there's not a whole lot of question as to Ashley's whereabouts
because we have a whole bunch of people all who State and agree that at 12 midnight to 12:45 a.m. Ashley was on two
different couches at the sandburn home M which is like we said about 10 miles away from where she is located so with
such a short time frame here I mean it's 12 45 she's on the couch in the living room and then at 3:57 she's found in the
middle of the road body still warm to the touch and I actually believe I I can't speak to the traffic for that
particular night during that particular window of time but I kind of believe captain that she was probably placed
there closer to the time that she was found having as you said the way it was described is that they had to Swerve to
avoid void hitting whatever that was in the road had she been there for a longer
period of time I believe that somebody may not have been able to swerve and avoid not hitting whatever that was in
the road so based off of all of the statements when talking with Mom when talking with her friend locating a
person that drove her out to the sandburn home for investigators it's time to go get some search warrants and
go talk to some teenage boys they're able to secure a search warrant for 50 Mast Hill Road this is the sandburn home
at the home we don't know everything that they found or exactly what they were looking for may not have found but
it has been reported some of the items that they did find that seem to be items of Interest one was a trail of blood
droplets in the kitchen area that was leading to the living room it's also stated that They seized evidence of
sexual activity we don't know exactly what that means They seized these items or item we do know that they also
collected a condom boys and blue the ladies and boys and blue took a carpet and upholstery samples as well and a
purple cord and a bed spread they also collected jewelry a pillow with a stain on
it and this is this is really good thorough work right here they also took tissue hair and fingernail samples and
cloth from a one Daniel sandborn now he's the 16-year-old boy of the house they got a
warrant for Daniel's car as well at the time he was driving an Eagle Summit remember those old Eagle brand cars that
once existed mhm inside or on the ve body of the vehicle they find dry brown grass now what's interesting here to
investigators is they will say that that dry brown grass is very similar if not the same as to dry brown grass that was
found on Ashley's body they also recovered a gold ring a black blouse fingernail
particles a scarf and hair and this is all according to police documents what we would end up with Captain is Sergeant
Matthew Stewart who would tell the Press I'm not going to discuss what the test on any of this evidence
revealed to law enforcement and he also would not describe anyone in the sanburn
home that night as a suspect but what he did say is it quote we are unable to place Ashley alive outside the sandburn
residence that's right by several accounts Ashley was alive and well in the sandburn home house
then found dead outside 10 miles away less than 4 hours later we do know that police question both Dany and Stephen
and we do know that Dany according to police changed his story a few times he first tells police that the following
morning he woke up Ashley wasn't there and he attended school as normal and then police come back and say not so
fast Danny Boy attendance records show that you were not at school that following morning he changes the story
to say that well I woke up late missed school called off work he had a he had a job he called off work and ended up
spending the afternoon with friends at Old Orchard Beach stepen gives police a little bit of insight into his
background with the victim Ashley he does say he says look we had a brief relationship this would have been in
1996 or 1997 he did say that they had intercourse on numerous occasions he told police that he figured
Ashley was in Dan's bedroom with Dan that night as far as he knew so the way that
I understand this to be is that we're we're looking at all the people in the sandburn home
obviously as potential Suspects nobody seems to be pointing the finger at the other it sounds like Dan
may have had a crush on Ashley Ashley still wanted some type of relationship with Steve Steve had moved on he has his
own girlfriend at this time and then we have the other variable of the other guy that's staying and
living at the sandburn home at the time this is really frustrating to me Captain
that we don't have anybody pointing the finger at one another because I think that that that's what police thought was
going to happen early in this case they have some evidence they have some evidence that's leading them back to
this sandburn home you want to figure out who is the last person that could have possibly seen or been with your
victim that is probably your killer that is probably the person that placed her in the road and then what you do have
here is as a detective go back to the statement of the individual that found the body and
and what you are seeing at the body recovery site mhm it's looking to you and it's looking to even the the lay
person the average citizen who spotted her in the road all saying the same thing it looks
like she was laid neatly there in the road that little detail that's a two that's a two-person job she wasn't
dumped there she wasn't dragged there I hope one thing that I've I've found especially in these cases from the mid
to late 90s there seems to be a little bit of a and and I can't speak for certain as to this particular case but
the lack of understanding how powerful shoeprints are evidence Sho print evidence can be in a case as well as
drag Mark or tire mark evidence in a case it seems to be that we we got away from that that was a big deal in in the
70s in a lot of cases that you would see in the 70s and even in the 80s and and I
don't know why it's not even discussed in a lot of these cases from the 90s it seems like something that was just
missing but what so what we don't have here is a clear understanding based off of police information did they see drag
marks at the scene because if you do have drag marks then then one person could have placed her there do you have
any indication on her shoes or clothes that she was dragged to where the body was found do you have any trauma on the
body that would indicate that she was just rolled off the side of a vehicle and dropped where she's
found if you don't have any of that then you have a situation where two people likely two people picked her up I
understand there's some very strong people out there but usually the way that this goes Captain is two people
picked her up placed her where she was found and therefore you either have one or two killers but at the very least you
have two people that know why and where she was placed that night well it's unclear to
me you know when you're looking into this case if you're law enforcement who are all the players that are involved
okay I can eliminate Ashley's family because she was not there I can now start eliminating some of the people
that were still at the Pary party the original party that she was at at her friend's house and I think party is a
loose term I think it was more of a small gathering my parents are gone let's have a a handful of people over
and let's have some boys over it'll be crazy and then your friend Ashley she leaves now she goes to another house now
she's a here's what's even stranger the we don't think something negative happened at the party where
there was no parents we think something possibly happen at the house where two parents were there mother and father are
there saying hey she could stay here and we we offered our couch and she must have got up and left on her own but who
are all the players at sanborn's house we know the mom's there we know the father's there we know the brother
the two brothers are there but who else is there exactly and here's the thing too because you're spot on there Captain
because there's rumor of somebody else maybe one or two other people having potentially been there that night at
some point that night I actually do not see this situation as Mama sandborn covering
for one son or two sons or son and friend or friend of sons I don't see that situation I look at this and I
think that maybe I don't I'm not going to pretend that most people in that house at night
haven't come to some conclusion as to what took place at night I'm not going to say that they're completely in the
dark but what I feel like happened here is where she's located to me shows uh impulsiveness and Desperation on the on
the behalf of the whoever placed her there yeah see that was my question for you it's because if she gets hit by a
car or hit by multiple vehicles that could cover up and make it harder to figure out what
happened to her so to me that shows some level of sophistication but in the middle of the road again like I said
there's nothing to the left there's nothing to the right you have a lot of wooded area in Maine there's a lot of
places to bury bodies to hide bodies so I don't know if this shows a level of sophistic
or does it show like you said a level of panic and I yeah I I think our information is different because you
have a different name of who drove her to the sanborn's house than I have I'm I'm so glad that you said that because
there are different reports out there now the the one that I cited was from that press heral report that gave a nice
timeline of that evening pretty detailed which I was surprised that it supplied actual names
especially considering one of them to be underage the girlfriend that she was going to air quote stay the night at her
house I value the information in that timeline but you're exactly right there are other reports out there that says a
completely other individual not this Edwin Hernandez was responsible for giving a ride
to her that night and and we did talk about the movements right there's it seems like there is little extra
movement going on on before she gains access to the sandburn home so maybe the truth is that more than one person gave
her a ride or was involved or in the vehicle at least in giving her the yeah because the name I have is Jay
Carney and so you have Jay Jay Carney if he gives Ashley a ride is is Jay still at the sanborn's house it's it's not
clear to me I'm not saying that the sanborn's the parents are are covering for their kids or anything like that I
don't think they know what happened but it's like I also don't think they're uh maybe they didn't know what else was
happening that night inside their house I'm with you on that Captain and that's why I think that we are seeing a level
of panic when trying to conceal this body or conceal the crimes that were committed right let's Place her in the
middle of the road maybe she gets hit maybe she gets run over by a and it looks like something
else and I think the reason why you have to get her out of the house is that well
Mom and Dad are going to wake up and they're going to go hey where was that girl from last night that had to run
away from home oh so you have a limited if you if they are unaware if if other people inside that home that night are
unaware of what took place and they're not going to be covering for you now you have a limited amount of time that you
have this big problem that you have to get out of the house or conceal in a way that nobody's
going to find her in the house and then move her later but we know she wasn't moved later because she was found at
3:57 a.m. so you have this problem of I got to get her out of here and I have a limited amount of time before I have to
get back to the house to make it look like I slept through the night and I'm clueless as to what
happened and so that's why I think that we see the Panic here the other thing that's really dumb for the persons and
this is why I think that we're seeing whoever whoever chose to dispose of her in this manner is doing it out of
desperation but it's impulsiveness too which typically will lean toward a younger
criminal and those Tendencies always lean toward a younger criminal is that once that heart stops beating that
body is going to behave a lot lot differently if she's struck by a car than when the heart is still beating now
you can hope for a bad investigation or incompetency and then maybe it's ruled a
vehicular accident you you could get lucky but that's not unheard of but again that
body will behave differently I part of me wonders if their thought was well we we will Striker with the car and then at
the last second they grew a little bit of a brain and figured out well now our car going to show damage or show some
sign that we hit somebody and that's going to lead directly back to us let's place are here and maybe we get lucky in
somebody else is the one that that is driving the vehicle yeah and even though it's very
early morning hours there's a possibility that they got disrupted by somebody else they saw in the distance
some car headlights and and got spooked and decided to abandon whatever plan that they came up with again I I go back
back to if you know it's very important to figure out who drove her to the sandborn house but also who stayed there
because obviously if this Jay Carney gave her a ride there and he stayed there well he'd have a vehicle but the
evidence kind of points to like you said the sandborn son's vehicle has more evidence that her body
was probably moved with that vehicle and over the years captain this has been a very difficult case and I
think in large part it's difficult for the olette family because they strongly believe that they know who is
responsible or has who holds guilt in this case and we see a lot of evidence of that we we should mention that
there's been a lot of effort in this case as many as 30 detectives over the years have worked the case there are
currently two full-time detectives a forensic chemist and a family Advocate and of course the
Attorney General prosecutor who continued to keep this case in the media as well as Ashley's
mother and they still want to solve this thing unfortunately we're coming up close to 25 years since this murder we
do know that unfortunately Ashley's father would pass away not terribly long after this this
would have been in May of 2001 he had a heart attack in his sleep he was just 49
years old his daughter's death and murder I believe 100% contributed to his health
problem you know this heart attack the sudden heart attack that took place in in May of
2001 what we're going to see here is the events some terrible events that took place place in a short window of time
one night one dark night in in Maine that will affect so many lives and tear up so many lives over the years we
do know that her mother Ashley's mother firmly believes that Daniel is guilty she is being patient because she
understands that there is a big gap between probable cause and Beyond a reasonable
doubt it seems like there needs to be some more evidence here before charges will be solid and be brought in this
case but we do know that the olette family took the sandborn family to court they filed a wrongful death suit against
the sandborn they claimed that they had a reasonable responsibility to protect Ashley from injury while she was in
their home they feel that Daniel injured Ashley in a way that ultimately caused her death
now sanborn's claim is that because Ashley said that she was kicked out of her home and needed a place to stay that
that they they were just trying to offer her help and they're not responsible for
Ashley and what may have happened and again they're standing by well we went to bed everything was fine we wake up
and she was gone you fast forward all these years later and what we learn is that Daniel Sanborn
the brother stepen they've both had a lot of problems with with the law over the years and one situation one of the
brother situations has been some violent activity and the other brother situation
has been drugs theft and weapons charges so these guys have turned out to be pretty bad guys and a lot of it has to
do with drugs and drug trafficking a lot of times drug trafficking is just to pay
for one's own drug habit and ways to get the drugs themselves and I just wonder if these two are riddled with the
truth and that they they've been medicating themselves over the years to deal with with the truth of something
that they know that they were involved in taking the life of a of a young girl well I think we should talk about Tony
Torres yes Angel Tony Torres and he enters the story in a in a strange twist but this would just be a
couple of months after Ashley's murder and we're going to see a common denominator here you already mentioned
Jason Carney better known as Jay Carney he's going to be a a weird common denominator here in between these two
stories and between these two victims because as the captain stated some of the reports say that it was Jay Carney
that gave the ride to Ashley that night or may have been at the sandburn home that night that Ashley was killed the
way that angel Tony Torres Works into this case his parents they meet their they're natives from Puerto Rico they
meet and fall in love in New York City they have two young children they decide you know what let's take our kids out of
the city let's move out to Maine so they move out to Maine where they're able to
get a home that's three times the size of their New York apartment plus it's got a yard right you got kids they want
to have a yard for your family so now they have a yard this is in 1985 when they move out this is about a five and a
half hour drive out to Denmark Maine to start their new life with their family a
few years after the move they have another son Angel would choose to go by the name of Tony I think he thought it
was more maybe a little more masculine name uh he was a very popular kid growing up he was described by friends
as social smart with a very upbeat personality he was active at school he was great at basketball and soccer and
he loved music and he loved partying with his friends Denmark Maine population of about 1100 people this is
about an hour drive Northwest on country roads from the nearest major city which is Portland
Main now remember we talked about the proximity of Ashley Ashley's family's home and regard to Portland Main so the
two live about what about an hour and a half away from one another so let's fast
forward to March of 1999 this is Tony's junior year he's attending Framingham this is also just a short
time after Ashley was killed and still it's still an unsolved murder and the still unsolved murder of Ashley was the
Talk of the Town in s main Tony's home for spring break in 1999 he's visiting staying with his parents now on one of
these days he's watching the evening news and they're running a story about the Ashley olette murder Tony and his
dad are watching this is when Tony perks up and he says to his dad I know who killed her he's saying that he knew
Ashley a little bit he knew her from some parties that he says they both had attended Tony's dad says something to
the effect of his son like look you you either need to take this information to the police or you need to zip it keep
your mouth shut you better be very careful about who you share this information with right which you know
Tony's father would agree that that's awful advice he should have right then and there said if you have information
in this murder investigation we need to go to police right now because not because you're also in danger yourself
you're exactly right Captain this is another spot in our story here where we see a situ a where I know somebody says
to themselves today I wish I could have handled that just a little bit differently yeah and he's he also claims
that his son said this in a way that there was no doubt that it wasn't like his son said this and he looked at his
son and didn't believe him or thought his son was bullshitting he believed every word why he didn't dig deeper and
asked for information why he didn't make him go to the police don't know but later on what going to happen is he goes
out to a party well well he's partying at his ex-girlfriend's house and they uh end up leaving to go to a corner
store and he leaves with Jay Carney so then Jay Carney comes back to the party people go well where's Tony at and he
says well he got picked up by a a pickup truck at the corner store yeah I don't know I don't know where he's going Jason
J carne this is on Wednesday the 19th this is May of 1999 so now we are what three months
after the murder of Ashley and we know that we know from several people's accounts that Tony stay at Jay Carney's
house on that Wednesday the 19th and Thursday the 20th so they spent a couple of days together now it was on May
21st where they are at this house party together and as the captain said it's it's a a place where his ex Tony's
ex-girlfriend was staying it's around 2 a.m. that they leave what did they say captain they were going out to pick up
cigarettes or maybe beer and cigarettes or something yeah it's just going to a corner store and so Jay returns to the
house party without Tony there's a couple people there that say look when Jay returns he's a mess he's nervous
he's acting weird he's frantic his pants answer rolled up and dripping with mud yeah and unfortunately it's not
until 3 days later that Tony is reported missing he's reported missing his parents file a missing person's Report
with the police this is after Tony's girlfriend calls them and says Hey where's Tony I'm looking for him his
work called and said he didn't show up for work and that's not like him at all right so now we have a missing person's
report and then we have a bunch of people saying that this Jay Carney is the last person to have been with him
and then when when other people see Jay what 30 minutes or a short period of time after the two leave and Jay returns
without Tony that this guy's a mess he's he's emotionally physically a mess and and his clothing is a mess as well but
the story also just doesn't make any sense we went to the corner store together if I went to the corner store
with my buddy and he got picked up and and I come back alone there's more to the story there
yeah well who did he get picked up by it okay if I know that information maybe the story starts making some sense but
he's going well I don't know he just got he got picked up by this pickup truck this red pickup truck and uh and that's
it that's all I know he would claim that the two whatever reason they told the people of the party that they were
leaving that they they were actually going out to meet some people that they had did a a pretty smalltime drug deal
with earlier that day and I don't know if he's insinuating that the the the driver the or the passengers of this red
pickup truck that he says Tony left in if if they were one and the same the people that they had sold some marijuana
to or whatever it was earlier that day I don't know if if I I having a hard time
here with this part of the story but that's what he would ultimately tell police for my understanding and we've
seen this time and time again I this is this is what really makes my ears perk up when somebody tells one story and
then the next day they tell you a little bit of a different story to law enforcement and now they're admitting to
some pretty smalltime crimes right you know how the guilty parties are it's like H I'll just give them a little bit
and they'll see that I'm being truthful this time because I'm admitting to something that I did that's breaking the
law and they they they won't push me any further and Jay Carney is the common denominator he's somebody that is also
listed in some of those reports regarding Ashley's case and also listed as being the last person agreed upon
with Angel Tony Torres the night that he goes missing and this is not a situation
where anybody sitting here going well maybe Tony just took off on his own and started a new Wonderful Life somewhere
no this is a situation where law enforcement are saying we have every reason to believe that Tony was met with
Foul Play his family saying we're not expecting to find him live and well we're just hoping to get some
information so we can return him and bring him home for a proper burial well and here's what's crazy though you got
the the brother Sanborns they become a mess of individuals themselves yes with law and
with drugs and like you said maybe self-medicating cuz they what happened to Ashley that
night they're friends with Jay Carney he's friends with Tony Torres Tony Torres probably knew the Sanborn
Brothers as well and then Tony just happens to tell his father hey I I know what happened to
that Ashley girl and then he's hanging out with Jay Carney goes missing Jay Carney story doesn't make
any sense no the sandborn brothers and and Jay Carney's story don't make any sense when
it goes when it comes to Ashley and look love to question Jay Carney more about this but he dies of a drug overdose yeah
you're going to have to get a shovel to go talk to Jay Carney because and and again was that
self-medication yep he was all the way out in Rhode Island in 2015 and he passes away dies
of a drug overdose at the age of 36 so whatever information he has he's taken that with him and he will remain silent
forever now of course we don't have to dance around this anym the obvious thing here is that the the major Theory the
the prevailing Theory here is that Jay killed Tony because he knew what happened to Ashley and what what I find
interesting about this here Captain is that if Jay was involved in Ashley's case and
and you would have to think that he was directly involved to the point that that
he had Direct involvement that of a threat of going to prison himself not for a little bit of time for a very long
time to take the life of another person it seems so simple with the first one he didn't know what he was
doing how do I how do I cover this how do I hide this I don't know what I'm doing I've never done this before and we
place her in the road and somebody runs her over and that we wipe our hands of it problem gone I can breathe a little
easier now well that didn't happen she was found they figure out very easily how she was killed they figure out very
easily where she was that night and people to talk to and start collecting evidence did old Jay learn from that and
that's why why with the next one we don't find the body because he learned of all the
problems that created for him or his friends or other people involved the first Go Round And I want to bring up
something that you brought up in Ashley's case is it two individuals involved and this is why it would make
more sense because if there's two individuals involved and then Tony Torres is maybe
he maybe he's telling J hey I know what happened or I told my dad that I knew what happened for some reason we have to
get R of Tony he is he has gone a short period of time so that's a very short period of time that Jay has
to kill Tony and then get rid of the body but it's a lot easier to do if you have two people involved and Tony was a
a strong kid an athletic kid so it's more likely that whoever's involved with Ashley's case if there's more than one
and most likely more than one then there's more than one involved in Tony's disappearance as well yeah and this is a
situation where you got to believe if Tony knew what happened and it's interesting to kind of ponder the the
varying degrees of knowledge that he could have had of what happened right it is it something he heard from somebody
else who did he hear it from what did they tell him so on and so forth but you know how we we've heard this in so many
cases where somebody is using substance abuse and they have to confess their crime to somebody well and it's one of
those situations where I believe that if Tony had knowledge of what happened to Ashley that there are other people in
those Social Circles that probably know or may have even heard the same information that Tony heard and as the
captain pointed out and as I followed up with there is information out there that
Jay Carney gave Ashley a ride to the sandborn home that night that she was murdered or that he was there at the
sanborn's home house that night some articles say that it was Edwin Hernandez who dropped her off it's difficult to
say at this point in time but what we do know is that both Ashley's murder and Tony's disappearance are open and Active
cases with the main State Police it will be 25 years now since Ashley was killed
and placed in that road and her family is still searching for answers and I hope and pray that Ashley's family gets
those answers that they deserve I hope and pray that Tony's Family get the answers that they
deserve and find out his whereabouts if you have any information about Ashley's murder please contact the main
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Tuesday, February 9, 1999. - Ashley Ouellette gets permission from her parents to spend the night at the home of a friend. Sometime around 10 p.m. she leaves her friend’s house. She catches a ride from a boy who drives her to the home of another friend. A few hours after arriving at this other house she is found dead in the road. This case is still unsolved and approaching the dreaded 25th anniversary of that fateful night. If you have any information about Ashley’s murder, please contact the Maine State Police Major Crimes Unit at (207)-624-7076

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Brief Summary

Ashley Olette's murder in 1999 and Tony Torres' mysterious disappearance are examined, revealing connections and ongoing investigations.

Key points

Teenage Turmoil. Ashley navigates the challenges of adolescence, leading to conflicts with her parents.
The Mysterious Death of Ashley Olette. Ashley Olette's tragic story unfolds, revealing a life cut short at just 15.
A Fateful Night. Ashley asks to stay at a friend's house, setting off a chain of tragic events.
A Night of Regrets. Multiple parties involved express their regrets about Ashley's last night alive.
The Discovery of Ashley. Mike Lopes discovers a body in the road, later identified as Ashley.
The Investigation Begins. Police find evidence at the Sandburn home, raising suspicions.

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Episode quotes

Ashley, you've got it made!

Ashley's friends compliment her life.

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