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This is True Crime Garage. And this is the case of the Aurora theater shooter. 315 and 314 for shooting at Century
Theaters, 14300 East Alameda Avenue. They're saying somebody's shooting in the auditorium. 315 and 314, there is at
least one person that's been shot, but they're saying there's hundreds of people just running around. 315, be
advised 315, spraying the gas over here, too. 315, I need a rescue in here hot. We got
a guy shot. And inside of theater nine? Just outside of theater nine. 316, we got another person outside shot in the
leg, female. I got people running out of the theater, they're shot in room nine.
318, we got another victim on the north side of this theater in the parking lot.
I'm being told that he's in theater nine. From what I'm smelling inside, I can't
Sounds like it's OC, maybe, too. Get us some gas masks for theater nine. We can't get in it.
410, he has a party in car shot, plates 240 John Deere. I have I have It's a Kia.
Copy. Copy. There is another victim in the white Kia. Where is that vehicle at? Searching Adam. I need a marked car
behind the theater stable side. There's a suspect in the gas mask. Hello, hold the air one second. Car with that white
car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect? Yes, we got rifles, gas masks. He's the
same right now. He's got open doors going into the theater. Okay, hold that position. Hold your
suspect. 15, I got seven down in theater nine. Seven down. We got 25 everybody on this. It says an
assault rifle. We got We have a magazine down inside. Go watch out for the assault rifle. All right, so
the guy is still in theater nine. I'm working on the backboard right now for that female. Okay, suspect is going to
be a male, unknown race, black camo outfit. Believed to be wearing a vest, gas mask, and multiple long guns.
This evening we are discussing the terrible and tragic event that took place in Colorado, July 20th, 2012,
and absolutely one of the most senseless acts that I have ever heard of. This, of
course, being the Aurora theater mass shooting that was committed by James Holmes. Now, James Holmes was born
December 13th, 1987 in San Diego County, California. His parents are Robert and Arlene Holmes. Yeah, and Robert was a
mathematician, scientist. He had multiple degrees, Stanford, UCLA, UC Berkeley. And his mom was a
registered nurse. Big shout out to the nurses. He also has a younger sister named
Chris. And then it's around these middle school years of his early life that we start to see some
some possible issues with James Holmes. Yeah, these are claims that are being made and again, I don't know if some of
this information was stuff that actually happened or was it claims after the mass
shooting. Mhm. So, they talk a lot about how he started suffering some mental health issues
around middle school. He talks about the nail ghost. Mhm. So, he he basically would say that he would see these like
ghosts or shadow shadowy figures that were hitting or hammering on the wall. And at times they appeared to be
fighting one another from from what I had read. Yeah, yeah. He talks about shadows, kind
of seeing shadow figures, and also seeing kind of like flickers out of the side of his eyes.
And he has told he has told us that it This is 11, around the Well, he didn't tell us, but he's he I think he his
lawyer claims that he uh made a suicide attempt at the age of 11. I haven't seen anywhere on record
that his parents talk about this, but they don't do a lot of interviews. So, maybe later on like when you see like uh
with the Columbine case, the mom took a long time before she actually wrote a book about it. So, maybe that will come
out later with one of his parents writing in a book and maybe we'll have some more insight to his childhood and
and what went wrong uh to have this happen. And after the events on uh July 20th,
2012, you know, they've gone back and they've they've interviewed people that may have known James Holmes that may
have gone to school with him at an early age uh elementary school, middle school
age. And there the um you know, their reports uh are a bit scattered in my opinion. You know, there are some people
that basically say, well, he was somebody that was unnoticeable. He was somebody that was kind of forgettable.
Mhm. Uh he was kind of quiet. I didn't know who he was. Uh there are other people there is some debate whether he
was either bullied or may have been somewhat of a bully himself, but it seems like
the majority of the claims are that he was kind of a forgettable forgettable personality. That he wasn't didn't stand
out in the crowd. Yeah, he was definitely a smart kid. Um it once he gets into high school, he he plays
soccer, he runs cross country. Again, playing soccer in high school. How good was he? Did he start? Did he sit the
bench? I mean, who knows how much uh effect this really has on his life. He seems very into uh
his academics. Mhm. Um which Extremely extremely into the academics. Which will lead him to the college um
University of California. And which he'll get um his bachelor's in neuroscience. He graduates in the top 1%
of his class. Mhm. Uh and then he goes on to the University of Colorado, which he is going to get his PhD. Yeah, yeah,
he's seeking a PhD from the University of Colorado. He enrolls in that program uh in 2011. Yeah, and before he actually
goes to college, uh I believe this is the case. You can I've only seen clips on YouTube. I think there's the full
presentation. Uh he basically does like this internship uh kind of a science summer
camp type thing and they filmed all the pre- presentations. And so, you can see before going into college, I mean, he's
very well-spoken, better you know, better spoken than we are. Uh and very intelligent
That's a large group. Very intelligent for you know, somebody that just graduated
high school. Yeah. Um and and he's he's also talking about some fascinating stuff. Uh you know,
basically he had a program uh a computer program. Learn how to do all the code with flash and everything, but
basically you know, because of this science that we know that he could create this code
that would create these games that would create an illusion in your brain. Mhm. Which is pretty fascinating for somebody
that's not even in college. But like we said, so now he's at the University of Colorado.
And he lives in a one-bedroom apartment with uh It's basically a complex, but the clock
complex is for health studies normally. You know, so he's studying neuroscience.
So, he's around other people that PhDs, what are what are they studying? I'm not really for sure.
It's for students, but but you're saying probably a more specific type of student. Yeah, cuz a lot of times what
they do it you know, with PhD students is they're going to put you in housing so you're not around a bunch of
freshman. You know, they try to you know, with the campus housing they like to try to keep the ages similar. You
know, the the areas of study similar. It just kind of helps uh you know, the social environment.
And because he had already graduated UC Riverside, obviously he's older than than the you know, the general students.
We're the thing is too, he is I mean, I don't know to say that he's a good student is
is conveying enough of what he actually was. I mean, there are college professors that that have said he's
extremely well-researched. Like he he he loves to research. And he has a great ability to
um be able to present the research to a crowd and to anybody that is willing to listen.
Yeah, I mean, in his presentation and like I said, that's pre-college. That's pre-bachelor's degree. Um well-spoken
and he seemed not to be super nervous, but you could tell there was probably some uh
social, you know, ineptness to him, which is you know, I I don't know what to make of that. I
mean, again, it's a a presentation right out of high school. How much confidence
do you have going into college? I'm not really for sure. Well, and we kind of got to dive into his college life a
little bit because this is all things leading up obviously to the the major event there, but uh
you know, when you talk about things like schizophrenia, you know, there are a lot of people that
Schizophrenia? Yeah. There's a lot of people that will they'll say that that will start to uh
accelerate in in the late teens, early 20s. Yeah, late 20s, early 20s. Um No, early late teens, early 20s.
Thank you. That's what I meant. But and the other thing that we're seeing now is
that he is out he's out on his own. He's in a different city. He's he's all out on his own and he's out with people that
he may not know. So, there's a bit of isolation that has come with this new portion of his life.
Mhm. Now, and the studies here are going to be harder. I mean, before he's just a
undergraduate, now it's time for his graduate degree. Uh there's some weird stuff with his uh
digital footprint. You know, one that would leave. You know, he has a university email, he has a MySpace
account. That was that's before Facebook. Yeah. Um match.com. He's the they found some
Well, let me lead up to that real quick, okay? So, at his college life, once he's
at Colorado, he he's going to class, he's participating and he seems to be doing well academically for the most
part, but he is pretty much a bit of a loner once he gets there. We said that this may have
this transition in his life may have created some form of isolation for him. Yeah, he probably was always somewhat
isolated. He's not making a lot of friends. He goes out here and there and it there's
at least one bar that he was known to have gone to several times, maybe even frequently, but he doesn't really buddy
up with anyone there at school or at the bar as well. Uh on occasion, it is rumored that he would go to a brothel.
Uh this is something that seemed to be something that he may have done at least a number of times. Mhm. Uh and it was
later reported that this is activity that would cost him $240 cash and that he would typically keep this amount of
money on him most of the time, particularly in $20 bills. He did try as you were saying with his digital
footprint, he did try a couple of times to maybe reach out, let's call it that. Um
in April of 2012, he is on match.com. Uh eventually, you know, his profile would end up with the
headline, "Will you visit me in prison?" And his picture shows him uh now with the
uh infamous dyed orange hair that that we associate with James Holmes. Yeah. Uh what else uh
you know, what else do you do when you're having trouble socially or maybe you need to find a friend? Well, of
course, you can go to adultfriendfinder.com. Mhm. Uh so, James is friend finding on
this site going by the name of classic Jimbo. And his profile on there reads that Creative. Yeah, he's 6-ft tall,
he's has an athletic build and he's single. He's looking for a woman or couples, a
man and a woman, groups or couples, two women uh for erotic chat or email, discreet relationship, one-on-one sex or
group sex. And a the adultfriendfinder.com clarifies group sex is three or more people. So, thank
you to them because I don't know that anybody describes sex between two people as group sex. Mhm. Uh under under
traits, habits, and personal preferences like smoking, he answers things like he
prefers not to say. Drinking, he says he's a light to social drinker. If you've listened to this show long
enough, you know that I would be listed as a heavy garage drinker. Uh not sure that that's even like an
option on the site. a lot of garages. Yeah, and then for drugs, uh if he's a drug user, again, he
prefers not to say. Uh for male endowment, well, he says he's short to average. He might he maybe
recommendation he probably should have lied there. is this show going? And he also says
that he's a circumcised speaker of English. All right. So, I don't know I don't know what other
things you can list on that site, but maybe hobbies or or whatnot, but this is a general idea of his profile and you
can find uh pictures of that profile online. Yeah, there's also pictures of like the match.com stuff where it's uh
not as weird and maybe you don't want to put that on a podcast. Um like the adultfriendfinder stuff.
I'm sorry, but if if if you if they post a profile somebody online, I come across it, I have to read it.
It's fascinating. Yeah, I mean, he also claims match.com that he's 5'11. So, maybe he's trying to
be more honest there. He says he's not a smoker, but he's a drinker on match.com.
Mhm. Um so, another weird thing too is that they found I mean, you might not you know,
people might be listening going, "Well, I don't know if I buy the prostitution thing."
They found several times where he left reviews, if they had like an online forum. Yeah.
Uh James Holmes would go and uh James Holmes would go, leave reviews for these prostitutes. I I found a couple of
what I consider um very reliable sources that that they were pretty adamant that that he was
doing the brothel thing or the prostitute thing. Well, he wasn't a complete loner
psychopath. Uh he was dating somebody in in October of uh 2011. 2011. Gargi Datta is what we'll say, cuz
that's that's that's what I It's I've looked at this on paper. Unless you wrote it down completely
wrong, who knows what that that name is. Right. So, it He dated her for about 2 months, right? Yeah, about 2 months,
then it ended. I guess there was this something on uh St. Patrick's Day where there's an altercation
uh with they're out having a date. She is talked to by another male. Then he uh James has altercation with
this guy. Not fistfight or anything, but he has a conversation, and after that, he kind of became more distant. Yeah,
and I and I I kind of misspoke there. I said 2 months, but it but from what I've
read, it sounded like there was a bit of an on-and-off type of relationship because they started this relationship
in late 2011, and at some point it would continue in the early part of 2012. Yeah, yeah. So, basically
ends up with the the experience of the St. Patrick's Day situation where some guy says something to Gargi, or whatever
her name is, excuse me. Um but uh and and this becomes a big He He gets pretty weird about this situation. And this
causes her to to not really want to be involved with with James that much. Yeah, and she would talk about how he
just would have some weird jokes. You know, he'd say some things that just maybe just didn't You know, a social
awkwardness to him, which would make people feel uncomfortable. And we all have friends like that. Um
but he every now and then would make kind of jokes to you know, kind of expressing his desire to kill somebody.
And that's where it was kind of like, "Well, this is a little strange." And she men- mentioned to him multiple times
cuz you know, as we talk about him being such a good student, well, that was not the case, you know, once he
gets to school. So, he was a good student, he graduated top 1% in his class, but now he's he's having some
difficulties. Mhm. And anybody that has been to college before or have been has been to a college that wasn't a good
fit, there's some stuff happening mentally. You're now in a school where you seem to
know nobody. So, the loneliness factor creeps in. And then you have to deal with, you know,
tough classes. And if your motivation, you know, let's say you are a musician, for example, but you're going to study
English. Well, the passion might not be there because the mo- motivation, and your motivation can constantly change.
So, he was having some issues with, you know, school life, this new school life.
But, you know, he had this girlfriend and and and she expressed to him, "Well, with your issues with school and with
your you know, some of this social awkwardness, maybe you should see uh professional help." Now, again, this
is all reported after the shooting, so is that what actually took place, or is this just what you're telling people
after the shooting? And some of the things that she talks about that he was saying or that he
would say in group settings or to her, uh I'm just going to go ahead and cla- I'm going to title these as um I'm going
to call these homicidal jokes. They almost sound like um off-color, you know, bad taste uh homicidal type
sounding jokes. Um and I think what you're seeing here is maybe there maybe we have somebody
that has an issue connecting with with others. And maybe the only way that he knows how to bridge that gap is with
some kind of shock factor, you know, with by getting attention with some kind of shocking statement. Um but you're
right, she does say, "You know, at the time, I didn't really take some of these things that he said seriously. However,
I did recommend to him maybe you should you should consider talking to somebody,
a professional." Well, and if you get a chance, if you really dive into this case and you want to look at the
presentation he gave. Now, I understand it's a presentation, but they ask him like, you know, what you know, what are
some goals in your life be- as they introduced him to make his a speech. And one of the things he says is one of his
lifelong goals is to own a Slurpee machine. Now, again, this is 4 years prior. It's kind of a funny joke, you know,
kind of a odd thing to bring up. Uh and it gets a bunch of laughs from the audience. And and then he's he smiles.
He seems like a normal person. Again, what has happened to him What What is happening to him mentally, we don't we
won't know. Nobody can know that. It's just inside his brain. And then how much of the stress from the
school and these social awkward moments is playing into the decisions that he's going to make. In the spring of 2012, he
does start to receive some He starts taking therapy sessions. And this is with a psychiatrist by the name of Lynn
Fenton. Um now, here's some here's some other things, okay? So, we have July 7th. All right,
this is just a month and a half before the event. James Holmes, he fails an oral
exam, several oral exams, and this is very unlike James. Just like we had said earlier, he had been considered by
teachers and other students to be a good re- researcher and a good presenter of research.
Mhm. And his work was very thorough. Um this presents some areas of discussion uh in in much later
discussion. And June 10th On June 10th, James Holmes, he file files paperwork to
withdraw from the neuroscience program and does not say why he wishes to do so. Yeah. The following day, he meets with
his psychiatrist. Again, this is uh Dr. Fenton. And um he is breaking off the relationship with
her. And she goes on to tell campus police officers that Holmes has made several
homicidal statements, and he had sent her threatening text messages. The campus police ask Fenton if they should
put Holmes on a on a 72-hour psychiatric hold. This is obviously for his personal
safety and for the safety of others as well. Uh Dr. Fenton says that this will not be
necessary. So, again, we are seeing I think in this process, too, they they revoke his student ID,
which I think goes to a lot of like food courts and so, and probably ac- access to different
uh parts of the school are taken away by by revoking or shutting off his student ID.
Mhm. And because of his area of study, he actually had access to buildings and rooms that that students of the general
population would not have access to. Um again, Fenton decides against the 72-hour hold. This is This psychiatric
hold's a pretty common thing. I didn't realize this, but in the state of Colorado, they estimate that about 2,000
They do about 2,000 of or more of these holds a year. Um so, a little more common than I had thought. Uh but again,
we are seeing some signs of something possibly something going on here, some kind of maybe a possi- possible mental
break of sorts, but we're also seeing some signs of premeditation to the the massacre or a violent event that that
we're leading up to here. Uh way back in May, in the early parts of May 2012, uh this
and it leading up to just days before the attack, James Holmes is stockpiling weapons and ammo.
Uh in May, he orders two tear gas canisters online, and over the next few weeks, he also buys two handguns, a
shotgun, an assault rifle, and 6,295 rounds of ammunition and body armor, handcuffs, road stars. These are meant
to puncture tires. Yeah. A 100-round drum magazine and a laser sight uh several laser sights, I'm sorry, as well
as additional explosive materials. Uh he buys some of these at gun stores like uh his local Gander Mountain and
Bass Pro Shop. So, he's buying some of these face-to-face situations in person. they're all legal. Mhm. These are legal
purchases. Exactly. And then he is purchasing some of these items online from several retailers, but one of them
being uh bulkammo.com. Now, weeks leading up to the attack, we see James Holmes, he is actually going
to the movie theater. This is the Aurora Century Theater 16. Mhm. And using his phone, his cell phone, he
is taking photos of the theater in the layout. Uh this being the hallways and entrances and whatnot. Uh getting kind
of cataloging the lay of the land, let's say. Uh but one photo in particular is he's he's taking a photo of the door
latch. Uh this is one of the exit doors. You know how the in a in a movie theater, you have you walk in to the
theater and then you find your seat, but down sometimes down by the screen, they
have doors that will exit out into the parking lot. Right. Well, this he's he has taken
photos of the latch and of this door. These are the events that lead us up to the actual event. And we'll get to that
right after a quick beer break. And we're back from the beer break. We're talking about the Aurora theater
shooter, James Holmes. Yes, and this brings us to the point of the day of the event. Now, what's taking place here is
there's going to be a movie premiere. This is one of those midnight showings when a movie first comes out and
this is the movie of the Dark Knight Rises, which we don't have to be I don't know how much we have to go into this.
Most people should know about this. I The Dark Knight Rises grossed over a billion dollars at the box office
worldwide. All right. Yeah, and it was the third movie in the Batman trilogy. Yeah, and so this is the character
played by Christian Bale, the Batman character. This had Tom Hardy in it. A lot of people felt like this was the
best I'm going to doing a little Batman movie talk real quick. Okay. Um, a lot of people thought this
was the best film of 2012. It's the 16th highest grossing movie of all time. Actually, that's what it said
on Wikipedia. It's actually 17th right now. Okay. So it dropped a spot. It was the third
highest grossing movie of 2012, the fourth highest grossing superhero movie of all time. Now, just a little
trivia, I'm just going to throw this at you. What are the top three grossing movies of all time? Top three grossing
movies of all time not Not superheroes. Just movies. Titanic. Titanic is number two. Okay. Number one
is Avatar and number three is Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Oh. Uh, anyways, these are were my favorite Batman movies
out of all of them. I liked uh, Michael Keaton. Um, but Christian Bale's character, I just
thought uh, and the third one. I didn't see this in theaters, but when I saw this, I remember
that the movie was over and I thought there was no way I'm going to like a Batman movie more than the one with
Heath Ledger. Right. There's no way. This one, I might actually like it better. I mean,
just it has a couple twists and turns. Anyways, that is the movie that is premiering.
It's the midnight showing. It's going to be happening at July 20th. Mhm. And and this is a big deal. I mean,
this is sold out. And and if anybody's been to a sold out showing before, I mean, normally when you go to the movie
theater, it's what? 1/4 full or maybe even half full at the most. But this is a big event where people are now going
to you know, kind of fight to figure out which where they're going to sit. Yeah,
and there were actually 420 people watching the midnight showing of the Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises.
Yeah, not not in this theater. There was actually multiple theaters that were showing the Dark Knight Rises.
But it was a big event for theaters all over the United States for that night. Uh, I believe it actually opened up the
night before in New York uh, and then it opened up maybe four days before in New York,
yeah. And then then it opened up uh, nationwide and worldwide that day as well. So John Holmes, he has already
previously purchased a ticket and he purchased this ticket Holmes. Oh, sorry. James Holmes. Sorry.
Different bad guy. Yeah. Uh, so James Holmes, he purchased his ticket uh, well in advance, days in
advance actually. And he shows up to see this midnight premiere of the Batman movie.
And shortly into the movie, this is all a plan that he has put together well in advance and he's geared himself up for
this attack uh, to these these innocent people that have no idea what they're about to witness.
I don't think it was I don't think it was James's plan to um, actually watch the movie.
No, not at all. was just I'm going to this event. Um, yeah, so he basically stands up or they
see a lot of eyewitness accounts is that somebody stands up is on their phone almost like they're going to take a
phone call. And they go to this emergency exit. They kind of prop the door open.
Which is odd because normally one of the eyewitnesses said if somebody was going to take a phone
call, you would assume that they'd go out to the lobby. Mhm. And you normally you don't normally see anybody mess with
the exit doors. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, this is interesting because he stands up and
then he goes out These are the doors that we were talking about earlier. He goes out the door that's up by the
screen. Now, he's previously parked his vehicle. He's got a white Hyundai hatchback that he parked
Is it a Hyundai or is it a Kia? I think you hear in the um, in the police call that they're talking about a Kia. I
don't know that they're talking about They may be talking about a victim there or maybe they have just misspoke and
thought that it was a Kia. But um, it's a Hyundai white hatchback. And he goes out to his vehicle to retrieve his
weapons and his body armor as well as a gas mask and two canisters of tear gas. Yeah. And he said
that he in his court in his later court dates and trial, uh, he said that he kind of lingered outside longer than he
anticipated. And one thing that I found interesting here was that the I don't know if it was the psychiatrist or the
the the judge that was asking him these questions. It wasn't clear from what I was watching, but they asked him why he
was standing out there. And um, they wanted some kind of answer like, were you trying to talk yourself out of this
situation? Were you trying to talk yourself down? He said, "No. No, I wasn't doing that." And they said and he
said, "You know, well, were you hoping that maybe somebody would come along and and see you and stop you from doing this
and prevent you?" And again, he says, "No." He said basically what had happened what was he dropped one of the
canisters and he went to retrieve it and then he kind of just stopped himself for maybe a minute
or two before going back into the same door that he exited earlier. And this is where he
he throws the the the two canisters of tear gas. Right. And this is he's going to do this for some form of crowd
control, I guess, to to disorient disorient the people in the in the seats. Now, some of the eyewitnesses
would later say that they thought maybe this was part of part of the theatrics of the show. You know, one eyewitness
actually thought that the person was throwing like fake bats into the air. Um, Yeah, another person I mean,
let's just paint the scene of of James Holmes. He's wearing all black. He's wearing this um,
it's not a bulletproof vest, but he's wearing bullet resistant pants. Mhm. He's wearing some kind of um,
I don't even know what it's called, but that he has this vest. It's not a boot bulletproof vest, but it this thing
makes him look a lot bigger and tougher. Mhm. Um, he's wearing all black and he has the gas mask. One of the
eyewitnesses said, "You know, I thought the person was dressed as Batman, like as a part of the thing. You know, as
part of the whole, you know, it's midnight showing." Yeah, he's wearing a he's wearing black clothing, a gas mask,
a ballistic helmet, uh, urban assault vest, uh, black bulky jacket. He also has shin guards, a throat guard, a groin
protector, and a dark bulletproof those dark bulletproof leggings that you had talked about.
Yeah. Uh, so bullet resistant. Yeah, so he goes in and he throws the tear gas and now he's disoriented the
crowd and he basically opens up fire on on many people that have no clue what's going on. And he has this assault rifle.
We talked about the assault rifle that he had purchased. He has an AR-15, okay? And he had purchased that the drum
magazine that would allow him to have 100 rounds that he could fire. He basically fired that thing. He shot 30
rounds in 27 seconds. So just think about that for a second. How how fast and how rapid that is.
And in less than two minutes, he shot bullet fragments into 238 theater seats. This ends up killing 12
people. And 70 people are wounded and 15 of them are permanently wounded. Mhm. Now, 10 of the the victims would
die at the scene. And two of the victims would die on the way to the hospital or
at the hospital. Now, of the 70 people that were wounded, 58 of them were wounded in the actual attack. And 12
people are wounded and suffered injuries as they were fleeing the building. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, common thing you'll see. I mean, cuz you never know how you're going to react
to something until it's actually going on. And so I think a lot of people didn't,
you know, they were scared. Um, uh, people obviously were running for their lives. There's complete chaos and and in
in that mayhem, uh, 12 people were injured. And around I I believe it was at 12:38
a.m. They they start to receive 911 calls about what's going on. And of course, not a lot of the people calling
calling in really know exactly what's going on. You know, they're in a state heightened state of panic.
Mhm. People are fleeing the building, so they're kind of just reporting what little bit they believe to be going on.
So you're getting a lot of different calls coming in right now reporting different things. Some people report
that they had seen multiple shooters. Some people report that they had only seen one shooter. Uh, we have different
eyewitness accounts because a lot of things are happening very very quickly. Yeah, so then the the the cops show up
and quickly they realize I I believe it's theater nine. Yes, he and he parked his vehicle right outside of uh, theater
nine in the parking lot so that he could access that door in his vehicle very quickly.
Yeah, we we can assume he's he wants to access that access that as a getaway vehicle. The cops show up and you'll
hear, you know, you'll hear in the 911 tapes they're saying, "Hey, we need gas mask.
We need gas mask. There's you know, these smoke bombs or whatever you want to call them um in theater
nine. We need to get in there. Um eventually, you know, as through the 911 tapes you hear this chaos. You hear them
asking for ambulances. One of the things that people bring up a a lot of times with this case is that these ambulances
weren't showing up fast enough. And we have all these people wounded. And the cops started
not waiting for the ambulance. They just started taking the the victims out and taking them to the nearest hospital.
Which actually goes against police protocol for that area anyway. They're they are instructed to not transport
victims or wounded people to the hospital in their patrol cars. Now, I commend these officers for breaking
protocol and deciding that they're you know, one life lost is too many obviously, but they're witnessing
something that nobody should have to be a part of or witness and they made a concerted effort that and decided that
nobody else should have to die tonight and we're going to break protocol and we're going to help as many people and
save as many lives as we can. And as they get there and there's chaos all around them they they quickly figure
out that we have a suspect now. Well, what happens is there's it's a it's patrolman Jason Oviatt. He shows up and
he sees a a black figure standing next to this white hatchback. And the figure appears
to be wearing SWAT gear or police riot gear. So, at first he assumes that this person is
is a police officer. Is somebody that's there to help, but quickly what he realizes is that the the person is not
moving. He doesn't seem to be reacting to what's going on. So, that triggers something within him and he wonders,
well, who is this person? So, he gets out of his vehicle and he tells the person to put put your hands on the roof
of the vehicle. And the the person doesn't really resist. He after being asked after being
asked twice, James puts his hands on the roof of the vehicle. Next to him, very close to him on the roof of the vehicle
is a semi-automatic Glock. Um and then James Holmes is ordered to the ground. This is when the officer Oviatt, he
comes up and he drags James Holmes about 10 ft away from the vehicle because he wants to get him away from that firearm.
And he drags him over to a dumpster and he cuffs him. Now, he starts to frisk him to see if he can find any additional
weapons. When you see a person when this thing is going on and you see a person outfitted in this kind of SWAT gear or
riot gear that he's wearing, you you have to assume that he's heavily armed. And he's trying to find other
weapons on on the assailant on the suspect. And because he's wearing so much gear, you
can't really feel anything in there. You can't feel for additional weapons. So, a
second officer shows up and they decide to using a knife, they begin to cut some
of the gear off of James Holmes. Um in doing so, they find a couple knives. They find an iPod Touch. They
basically strip him down to his white t-shirt, socks, and underwear so they can find anything that they
that might be on his person. And and and and in this moment they're already searching his vehicle, his hatchback.
Well, the the crazy thing here, Captain, is they've got him stripped down to a white t-shirt uh boxers and and
socks, yet his gas mask is still on. So, then they remove this gas mask. Okay, and the first thing that they see
when they take off the mask is they're shocked by the bright orange hair. And the James Holmes has got these huge
pupils. And they take off the mask and the first thing that James says is he says, "I'm
the Joker." Uh they also find 28 they find $280 cash in his wallet. He also has his ID, his
University of Colorado school ID on him, credit card, health insurance card, things of this nature. Um and the
officers ask him if if he had any more guns other than the Glock that they saw on top of his
vehicle. He answers, "Yes, I have four of them." Uh they they then ask him if he has any
explosives. Again, he says, "Yes." They ask where they are and he states that they are in my apartment.
Asking if they are ready to go off, James says, "Yes, if you trip the wires." The officers want to know what type of
explosives they are and James explains that they are IEDs, which are improvised explosive devices. So, now we have this
gunman um apprehended and they're going to take him back to the station for questioning.
And we spoke but we still have chaos going on and one of the nurses said, "Look, this became um you know, a mass
shooting, a massacre basically, but it also then became a miracle because we have all these
victims that are hurt that could die and then this is when the nurses and doctors
they go into um you know, survival mode basically and they and and if it wasn't for them and
if it wasn't for the fast-acting police officers, there'd be more than 12 people
dead. Another miracle that that took place that evening was remember we said in that AR-15 he had the 100 drum magazine.
Okay, he could have fired 100 rounds. He actually only shot about 30 of those rounds because the gun ended up jamming
on him. Um and they say that that can be typical with with a magazine that holds
that many rounds that it would be typical that it would jam. The many lives were were saved by by
this gun being jammed that And many lives were saved for the fact that he didn't didn't really know what he was
doing. You know what I mean? You take a trained expert with the amount of equipment that he had and it would have
been the numbers would have been staggering. Yeah, because I mean, when you just think of the layout of any
movie theater and where he positioned himself up by the movie screen and then throwing out the tear gas, the the the
people are I mean, they're they're sitting ducks. They're at a terrible disadvantage to to this gunman. Yeah,
and your two exits are one around the the shooter or normally you have to go down towards the shooter anyways and
then cut back through the lobby, you know? They need to come up with another exit, you know, like at the top of the
stairs or something. So, during the interrogation in the early parts of it, they the the police
have Now, this is pretty typical. They have taped bags to his hands. Uh because they want to preserve any gunpowder
residue that would be on his fingers and his hands. And during the questioning process, he is using these bags as like
like puppets. He's waving them around like they're some kind of puppets and at one point he finds a staple in the in
the table and he removes it from the table and he tries to jam it into an electric outlet that's in the room and
of course the officers stop him from doing so. Um but this is this amongst other types of wild things that he's
doing best describes his behavior during the early parts of this questioning. Yeah, but the first question he asked
officers is were there any children hurt? I mean, look, a lot of this stuff as far
as like him playing, you know, all you put bags on my hands, I'm going to act all crazy and I'm playing puppeteer, you
know. Um and you know, I'm going to shove this he knows damn well that you take put a
staple into a socket, it's not going to do much. I'm not suggesting that anybody
does it cuz there's a chance that it could be not good, but some of this stuff is just you know, immaturity, you
know, and he's just and acting crazy, you know? That I mean, that's what I get from it. You know, you want to sit there
and act crazy and then your first question is, "Is there any kids that were hurt?"
You know, they also talk about when they you know, apprehended him and put him in
the police vehicle that they said, "Well, he was constantly like looking back to see what the chaos was."
I don't I don't know how much I buy that. I think he for whatever reason he did this stuff
and now he's you know, he's obviously remorseful right away. And to me that shows a sign of not
of sanity and not insanity. Absolutely. And through talking with him, the first thing they want to know
about is they want to know about these explosives that he said are in his apartment.
Mhm. So, he's going to give them a little bit of information, but we do have to mention that the police would go
ahead and break protocol one more time. Now, what happens here is James Holmes does require he requests an attorney.
And they do not actually deny him an attorney. They they you know, he he has an attorney, but the problem is the
attorney is trying to get to James Holmes to to be involved in this questioning.
He's read his Miranda right rights, but the police have figured out we've got to
we've got to know what's going on in that apartment and we need specifics. We need
intel basically so we can figure out how to disarm these booby traps, let's say.
Now, when the police first discover what's going on in the apartment, they are very concerned because he's
outfitted this apartment with enough explosive devices that it could take down the whole building. Well, and and
look, let's face it. I mean, they're they're at at this moment they before they start questioning him, they know
that there's these explosives. But now they're asking him, "What what what's your name? Who are you?" James Holmes.
And right when they say that, now they're going to their database system, right? And that and they're going to try
to figure out who the hell this kid is. There's no record of this kid. I mean, this kid doesn't have a troubled past.
Yeah. So, they really have no clue who the hell they're dealing with. he had one speeding ticket at some point
in his life. So, this wasn't a guy that was that was breaking laws and constantly
violent. This wasn't anybody that was on anybody's radar. Um Well, he was on somebody's radar. He
was on a psychiatrist radar at the school and provoked but that's going to take, you know, days and weeks to figure
out. This is something that the cops are not going to be able to figure out within the first couple minutes of
questioning him. Well, one thing that they do figure out is that the way that he rigged his apartment to blow the
whole building. I mean, you think about how many more victims there could have been if this whole
apartment would have blown up. This whole building Well, and like I said, remember he he's
supposedly lives in this one-bedroom apartment, but it's a complex that's a bunch of one-bedroom apartments,
possibly two-bedroom apartments with a bunch of students in it. So, one thing that he did was he set up
this boom box, one of those old-school boom boxes. And he set it so that it would be
silent for approximately 40 minutes. And then at some point, this would be around
1:00 a.m., it would start blaring very loud music. Mhm. His intentions were that uh an
angry neighb- neighbor would come up and would check his door. Well, what he did
was he rigged it with a trip wire and he left the door slightly ajar so that all
somebody would have to do is is move that door and this would blow up his apartment and essentially the whole
building and everybody in it. Mhm. What happens is a neighbor Wait, wait, before we get to that.
This is what he's telling the cops. Mhm. But they're not for sure if it's just that building.
You know, what what else is that building connected to? Is he just telling us it's one building? Could it
be possible multiple buildings? They don't know. They're They got to go you know, this psychopath just tried to
murder hundreds of people in a movie theater. And now we have to on some level trust
what he's saying and take this very serious. One angry neighbor actually approached
the door because of the loud music and she stopped herself from touching the door because she noticed that it was
slightly open and she thought this was extremely suspicious. Yeah. And so she backed out at the last second and
decided to just call in the noise complaint to the police. Well, and you'd think that the police or campus security
or whoever would show up and see the door ajar and touch the Yeah. Yeah. And thank
thank God they got to James Holmes before any of these things could take place. Another thing he did with that
apartment and the things he had rigged up was he actually set a remote control device outside of the apartment
building. And he set this down on the street thinking that if somebody didn't touch the door, that somebody would be
likely to walk along and see this remote control and pick it up and hit a button.
Mhm. And it would have the same effect. And and what you were talking about like
we said you know, when they ask him, you take off the gas mask, "Who are you?" The
Joker. And you were kind of talking to me earlier about you know, did he set this up, you know,
with the idea of being like the Joker? Yeah. You know, like where I'm not going to blow it up but somebody else's
actions is going to call it cause it to blow up. Whether that's somebody pushing
the door or finding the remote and hitting the button that themselves. Well, in the general thought, I mean,
everybody's got their own thoughts of the Joker, but but the Joker's basically the the agent of chaos, right? He's he's
the person that's setting things up so that everything just gets chaotic and and nobody knows how to react and nobody
knows the reason why because there's there is no reason for any of these actions. Yeah, I know reasons. It's just
to cause complete chaos and to cause mayhem and death. And and the other fact is that, you know, the Joker sometimes
would set things up or rig things so that some people were other than himself were in control of some of that chaos or
mayhem and this being the door that he rigged with the trip wire or the remote control that he left outside of the
apartment for somebody to push the buttons. Yeah, and take them about what, 2 days?
Yeah, and the the the part of that was they they were concerned, obviously, and they had evacuated the building very
quickly, but they were concerned about a couple of things. They were worried that the apartment was
rigged in such a fashion that not only would it blow up the building, but it could potentially blow up some of these
surrounding buildings. So, their first thought was rather than go in and dismantle these booby traps, we should
just blow we should just blow up the building. And that was that was one thing that
they had considered and they kind of played with this idea for a little bit of time until they could come up with a
good strategy. Part of the strategy was getting intel from James Holmes. Now, where I said that they broke protocol
was that they kind of they weren't completely honest about where James Holmes was being held so it
delayed the attorney getting to him because their thought was that once the attorney arrived, that James Holmes
would shut down and he wouldn't he wouldn't communicate any of this much-needed information to them.
Yeah, yeah. And you know, cuz the attorney will say, "Hey, we're not talking." Right? But but you're putting people's
lives at risk. Again, it's questionable. I mean, cuz there's the justice system and and I believe in justice and I
believe in law and order, but at the same time I believe in saving lives more than that. Yeah, you know. It's you
broke protocol, but I think um the reasons were justified. Yeah, this this kind of action reminds me of
something like like a Die Hard movie or maybe uh uh Lethal Weapon where you have
the the cops that don't always go along with everything that they're supposed to
do, but at the end they've made the right decision because in the end their job is to protect and serve the people
of their community and sometimes you know, you might have to bend a little bit to to serve and protect your
community. Yeah, so basically you have to break the law to protect the law or or something something like that. But
so we we basically know that he, you know, we now know the actions, we know the ramifications of the shooting. We know
that he had these bombs set up. Takes them a couple days, but they disarm it. Nobody's hurt in the process.
And and what was weird about this case though is it takes 2 years, 2 and 1/2 years for this trial
to start. Yeah. Which is is a little strange. Yeah, it takes I believe it's a in
mid-October before they finalize the charges that they want to to push against James Holmes.
Um so, that we're already seeing a few months lapse there. But but then the jury selection process was crazy as
well. I mean, they they sent summonses out to like 9,000 people and they were going to select 12 jurors plus some
alternates from from that pool of people. Um Well, this was headline news too. So, it's it's also
harder to find Not only is it headline news, so you got to find somebody that's not biased
but just I mean, think about the victim count. I mean, there's 12 people that lost their life
which is very senseless. It's ridiculous. And then there's there's another 70 people that are injured.
And and whether it's a small injury and and that's just the victims physically. But I mean,
even if you're in the theater next door what what effect does that have on you mentally
for all the years to come? You know, when are you able to go back into a movie theater and feel safe? When
are you able to go to any event and feel safe? Possibly never. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of
victims as you're saying that were in that building or witnessed something that night that are not part of any of
these statistics that we read. You know, they go unnamed and unknown and these are
people like you said, they may not be able to go out in the public anymore or maybe they have nightmares for the rest
of their lives or they can't sleep, they have insomnia now. Um Yeah. This this is
on cuz cuz of one lost individual. And whether you think he's sane or or insane or whatever
I mean, I think we can all agree that he's definitely lost and because of that a lot of people were affected. And so, I
think that's probably another reason why it took so long for them to find a jury.
You got to There's a lot more people that are um affected by this. Mhm. so, then that
makes the circle, you know, bigger on how many people know somebody that was affected by this. So you have this event
that took place that's of of worldwide, you know, everybody knows about this thing. Okay, so you have that problem,
you have the jury selection process, you have the number of victims involved. Now
parallel all of that with trying to figure out is this guy insane or is he sane?
All right, and that's part of the reason why this trial would end up taking so long. Now what would happen is not only
did they learn about the booby traps and they would they would figure out a way to dismantle all of them and that all
worked its way out because of good police work. Now what what they ended up finding out
as well is as soon as James Holmes receives an attorney. It's communicated to the attorney that
on that same day that he had mailed a notebook to his former psychiatrist. This is that Lynn Fenton. And we're
going to say loose psychiatrist. I mean he saw her maybe three times. So um one thing that you can say about him is
he actually sought out help and and Lynn was not the first a psychiatrist he saw.
So through the school he through the school whatever's happening mentally with him
and and I think from you know that girlfriend he had you know look if a girlfriend suggests
to you you maybe you should see somebody talk to somebody. There's all this stuff going on with
Holmes and he goes and talks to a psychiatrist. That psychiatrist wow I can't talk.
That five out of five beers really bad Baptist. Wowza. That psychiatrist refers him to Fenton. Is that the name?
Yes. And then she talks to him about three times. Within those three times though
like we said he's probably homicidal they revoke his privileges on campus they revoke his and and there's some
call you can find it online where she's calling leaving a message saying hey yeah this Holmes character yeah I
revoked this privilege and I've revoked this privilege. A lot of people put blame on her like oh she could have
did a 72-hour holding. Look that's maybe and maybe when there's more accounts of
these actions that come up maybe that's something we'll do more often but that's
also invading on people's rights. You know some you know if somebody's having a bad day and they start
screaming at somebody on campus and then you decide hey we're going to put him on
a 72-hour holding period. I mean that there is a lot you know there it shouldn't be so quick trigger you know
on that. But in this case it's all it's easy to blame somebody on hindsight. So.
But regarding the notebook, this ends up becoming a big problem and this is a big
problem for the trial because they have to figure out what to do with this notebook because as soon as the
attorneys mention this notebook this was mailed to the psychiatrist but it was not yet received.
Right. So the attorneys they want to intercept this notebook. They're saying that it's James's
property and because he's going to be eventually charged with a crime that they should be able to confiscate that
and and keep it private to them. The what the what the prosecution and what the law enforcement is going to
argue is that no you you sent it to this person and we should be able to view it
and decide what we what should be done with it. Mhm. James's attorneys are going to suggest
that this is no this is bound by by doctor client privilege that that none of the information inside of the binder
can be Mhm. be talked about. Yeah which I understand that but I mean your doctor's
also calling and revoking your student ID and and wanting you to not be on campus.
You know isn't that some sort of doctor client privilege? Right and therein lies a big question
that they had to answer. When did James Holmes quit being a client of the psychiatrist? I would want to argue that
he was never you know a client cuz he only saw her a few times. Well as far as the as the psychiatrist
is concerned she says that no the moment that he quit that he dropped out of school and he quit attending our
sessions he is no longer my client. Now they are going to say being the defense are going to say that no that
James Holmes was still always a client and why because him mailing that notebook that day is him reaching out to
his doctor. And what took place just minutes before the actual attack? Well there was a phone call to the
University of Colorado switchboard. Now they're going to say James Holmes is saying this was from me. I was calling
because I was going to ask them to to connect me with the doctor with my doctor.
And this could be the phone call that people were talking about that he made when they said he you know it seemed
like the attacker got a phone call and was taking a phone call. According to the college they're saying that the
switchboard did have the capabilities to connect him with his doctor. So that's a
possibility. However, what they will state is that when the operator connected with whomever was calling the
caller did not state who he was did not say anything at all did not ask to speak
with a doctor and after just seconds the call dropped. Right. Now there so they're willing to admit
that they received a call about the same time that James Holmes says he placed a
call. a lot of this stuff with this James Holmes character is he it's it's all about convenience. When they say oh well
did you go out into your car? Were you trying to stop yourself? No. No. But you're going to also then argue that
you're the one making a call to psychiatrist moments before you go in and try to kill
people. It's see what I'm saying it's convenience. Well it's convenient for him and his defense.
Right that's what I'm saying. But at the same time it's interesting because law enforcement is dealing with something
that they don't typically end up dealing with. Because in mass shootings in the last two decades over six about 60% of
the shooters decide to die during or after the attack. They either commit suicide or they commit death by cop
engaging the police Right. or violently attacking or resisting them causing the police to kill them before
they can be apprehended. So we're seeing a situation here where we have somebody
that's committed this horrible crime that only took minutes to take place and now we have an opportunity or we have
the dire situation of interviewing him and trying to figure out whether he's sane or not and why this why he led to
this why what why did this end up happening. And but here's the other thing captain. We
talked about the Joker we talked about you know he says I'm the Joker and and some people have wondered that was was
he acting like the Joker? You know did he did he decide not to commit suicide or
death by cop? Instead was he choosing to live and view and witness the aftermath
of this attack and the destruction and the chaos that he created. Yeah I mean that the the you know
and any of these events or any crime I guess the question always then becomes why? Why did this person do this?
And so a lot of people just say well the reason why he wanted to do this was because he wanted to be famous.
And I I think you can see some evidence of that on on on some level but I think people
make a big deal about that where he's like this some some mastermind. Yeah he was an intelligent guy.
But I think he did some shitty things some real shitty things that he couldn't take back and I think he viewed them as
such. I mean when you're asking the cops and if you watch that interrogation yeah
there's moments where he's acting crazy and you could you know again argue the validity of his mental state
but he's asking questions that show remorse and I don't applaud him for that. I think he you know he's still a piece of
[ __ ] but but I don't but you know fame what does it matter if he wanted to be famous or
not. I challenge you a bit on that. I don't know that he's showing remorse. I but
you're on to something there. I think that what he's showing is a level of sanity that he that he's not completely
insane. Yeah maybe it's not remorse. you're exactly right. He does ask the police were there any kids in the
audience. And and he we would later find out that he chose a movie theater for for multiple reasons but one of the
reasons why he chose a movie theater was because he could choose a midnight premiere where there would be a lot of
people. Where but because of the time of day he didn't anticipate there being any
children in the audience. Yeah and the problem is there was a child. There was also a pregnant lady.
Yeah the youngest victim was six years old and as you said there was a woman that was pregnant
The youngest victim was the baby that wasn't born yet. You know that's that's the youngest baby that's the baby that
didn't get to start its life you know because some guy was lost. And and it's it's kind of stupid, you
know. So, we have this guy. He's He's been apprehended and there's really no question here, Captain, right? There's
no question of did he do it or if he was the one that did it, right? Coming out at the time.
And there we did have the sane the sanity thing to to worry about, uh but that's going to start to work its way
out through the court system. But, what we start to see is the hoax. The Well, let's finish the trial real quick.
Okay. I mean, so he goes on trial. Then it's all about is he sane or insane? Mhm. Right? So, and then they have to
figure that out. Uh a psychiatrist, his examination of him. I think he spent I don't know. I can't remember how long he
spent with him. I think it was 22 hours. hours. And he he comes out and says, "Look, I
think he's sane. I don't think he's insane. You know, maybe he has some weirdness there, but
right. He He kind of says that he is he's He's got some mental illness. However,
he is not by definition of legally insane. He's not legally insane. Right. He's aware of what he'd done and he's
aware of what took place. Yeah, and then there there becomes this argument that people I I I keep seeing
this, you know. You know, you got the insanity plea, right? He's He's insane, but people are
starting to bring up the idea of mental illness, you know, and and having that be some
kind of defense. Mhm. Which um but anyways, so it comes out that, you know, for all intents and purposes, they say
he's sane and then the jury finds him guilty. And his argument was that he was insane.
So, then there he's sentenced to uh to you What is that? Oh, he got it He got one of the
lengthiest sentences ever handed down. He got 24 life sentences. Mhm. And tacked onto that, he got like over 3,000
years on top of that. And the reason for the 24 life sentences is he killed 12 people, so they doubled that up. And
then factoring into the the 3,000 well, over 3,000 years that they add onto that
I bet they didn't count the baby. That that is taken into account all of the people that were wounded or injured in
the event itself, as well as some other charges for, you know, possession of explosives and and certain um things
that in inciting panic and, you know, all these other things that he was he was found guilty of.
So, yeah. So, he's sentenced. He's going to spend the the rest of his life um in jail. And then And the big
question at the time when when the trial happened was is he is he going to die for this? Well, he's going to die in
prison and and and that's how it goes. Now, again, people want to know what the why is because now if he's not insane,
then what's the motivation? And like I said, one of the mo- the motivating factors that people bring up time and
time again and you'll see a lot of the victims that were at trial talk about that. Well, this is nonsense
because this is getting bigger and bigger and and and this is what he wants, right? So,
um we we you know, I don't think we'll ever know the reason why, you know. No, no. The the real reason.
No, because people want to ask things like, "Well, is this a gun control problem? Or is this a mental health
problem? Or is this something in our society going on with It's both problems. with violence and movies or violence and
video games?" And I actually think it's probably a a whole bundle all those things up together. Um and don't go
crazy. I'm not saying take away the guns. Nobody's saying that here. What I'm saying that is that that is part of
the issue. You can't walk away from this and say that that that at some point guns don't have anything to do with
this. They absolutely do. Yeah, well, I mean, cuz you know, that that's the the choice of
weapons. But, I mean, look, if the guy was going in with a machete and trying to kill everybody, it's a machete
problem. I mean, but it's definitely a mental health problem. And it's something that we don't talk
about. And I like I said it before, the National Football League will have a month where they wear pink and talk
about cancer. And that's great. And we we need cancer awareness, but one of the things that we need more more in this
country uh is mental health awareness. And it getting it to the point And here's the
here's the here's the messed up thing with this whole situation. James actually tried to get help,
you know? And and and I that's I'm not putting any blame on the doctors, you know, but
this is not a kid that was uh going through some stuff and then just decided, "Well, I'm going to kill these
people." And you know, so there's definitely some mental health stuff going on. Um and that that just raises all these
more all these questions. And so, years later um 4 years later and then because of the gun control
thing Mhm. because of the gun control thing, then this becomes this conspiracy thing.
You're exactly right. hoax and when you Because when we see these things, Sandy Hook, when we see
Columbine, when when these things happen, immediately there's these people that come out of the woodwork and they
say, "Nope, this is your government your government set this up somehow or there's there's other players involved
in this and this is all because somebody wants to take away your right to own a gun."
Exactly. And uh there's been multiple cases where there is proof that the media,
you know, I don't know who the higher-ups that are pulling the puppet strings, but there has been cases
um that in these different circumstances that it seems like there's some kind of
hoax to it. So, that So, we're just going to go through these real quick cuz it it's interesting.
So, the first idea of this hoax and you can look it up is that it never happened.
And this is just nonsense. One, we got a guy in prison. We had this trial. We have hundreds and hundreds of people
hundreds of witnesses at at the theater. There's videotapes of it. People that say this is one of the
one of the things that drives me nuts when people go, "There's no There's no cell phone footage of the shooter."
Okay, well, if somebody was shooting at me, my first thought is not to pull out my phone and take a Snapchat of this
this douchebag. You know what I mean? So, that argument sitting there watching a movie that
they've already told you to turn off your cell phone just minutes earlier, which I know not everybody abides by
that rule, but let's assume that most people have. You just turn it on silent is what
they're asking for. But, hundreds and hundreds of witnesses, right? And then not only that, but we
have all these uh victims that are taken to hospitals and there's hundreds and hundreds of people at the hospitals. So,
did it happen? Yes, this happened. It absolutely did. somebody that thinks um that this didn't happen and it's just
all a hoax, you know, maybe you should go talk to a doctor. Um the another hoax that
that this one drives me a little nuts is uh it's a different guy. And what they do is they like to take
pictures of James Holmes before and then James Holmes after when he's arrested and they put them side by side
and then they say, "See? It's a different person." And I've watched these videos multiple
times. I don't see the difference. I mean, yeah, he has a different hairstyle color. He looks like he's probably put
on about 20 lb um of fat, not not muscle or anything. And yeah, so he's the same guy. He just
looks different. and on top of that, this would have to be a very elaborate hoax if it's a
different guy. Because let's think about this for a second. Most of the purchases
that he made for ammo and firearms were purchased with a credit card that he carried. He's the holder of this credit
card. He ordered some of these things online from on online retailers. He purchased some of these firearms in
person. And he's there they There are video footage of him purchasing some of these guns in person.
Um and so well, their argument would be that they got rid of him a long time before that
and then this impostor is the one that setting it all up. But, like I said, they're But again, I'm just pointing out
I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it would be a very elaborate hoax Yeah, yeah. to frame this guy. Yeah,
yeah. And be a very elaborate hoax that this never happened. Um So, then the other idea is is there
are two shooters. You know, and this is the point where you'll hear this over and over. You hear
it on the 91 on the 911 dispatches. They talk about um two shooters. Eyewitnesses say there was two shooters.
A couple of the eyewitnesses say, "Well, look, that he comes in the door and they there had to be two people.
One, I think I think that feeling is coming from how fast those bullets are coming out of
that gun. And then the other idea is that, well, you know, the the smoke bombs weren't
going off in the same direction. So, it had to be two shooters. Well, the smoke bombs aren't going off in the
same direction cuz he's tossing those. If you toss it 10 ft and the smoke goes up in a moment of chaos in a moment of
panic, you're going to assume that, well, there's somebody over there. Um so, you
the this is not um when this is being reported over and over and over, I I think it does give
some validity to look into that idea. Is there two shooters? Because we have multiple eyewitnesses
that claim that there were. Now, here's an here's something that gives that some validity
is um and I I couldn't find this for certain, but we talked about James Holmes being
found wearing a gas mask. Uh there was a gas mask that was found on the other end of the building
behind and there and it was found with a bloody knife. Now, how much truth is is there? I'm not
really for sure. They also talk about some weird things with the guns, the guns being propped up and not just
laying down, and that there was possibly two AR-15s that's what they AR-15s. Um so that gives some idea to the the
idea uh was there two uh shooters. There was also some reports of uh a a group of people in a in a van that
pulled somebody into the van. And some people thought, well, that is um you know, because none of the
Somebody making a getaway. Right. My my argument would be they either just didn't see something correct on that
level or possibly it was somebody pulling in a victim to have them get away. Um the other thing I don't buy about that
is James Holmes has never brought that to anybody else's attention that that that there was multiple shooters.
Yeah, and actually when he was asked if he was alone by the arresting officers, he pretty much just gave us he just kind
of gave a smirk. Like he didn't really say yes or no, but um Well, that doesn't help the hoax
hoax theory because if he's a smirking, then maybe No, but I think that that that goes along with other things that
how he was reacting to his arrest. Um and the thing here too, one thing that I think throws this whole second shooter
into into motion. You know, when when we talked about Columbine, we we had said that, you
know, some eyewitnesses believed that they had seen multiple groups of two men walking the
halls shooting at people. And this was because of the way the school was laid out that they were
running, they were fleeing, they were panicking. You don't really know exactly what you're seeing when you're in that
life or death situation. You just know that you're seeing something. You may not you may not process that you're
seeing the same person twice. Now, it but one thing that happened here too was with the arresting officer,
he at one point did think that there was a second shooter. And the reason being was after he had apprehended uh James
Holmes, he saw a green sight. Now, this is like a laser scope sight that you would have on a handgun or on a firearm,
and he saw this green sight pointing off in the off in the distance or near them.
And so he immediately goes on guard because now he's concerned that there's a second shooter. It's not very long
after that that he realizes that that the sight that he's seeing is left on the Glock that was on the roof of the
white hatchback that that he had drug James Holmes away from. Well, the other thing too is that when he
uh he sends like we talked about, he sends this package of the plan to uh his psychiatrist and
there's no mention of a second shooter in that. So um you know, there is some reason to
dive into that and question that. There doesn't seem to be a lot of validity to that. So like we talked about before, is
this the same guy? When they put the pictures up side by side, it's definitely the same guy, but
then they start arguing, well, his body's different. Well, let's start let's think about this. In middle school
and high school, he played soccer and uh he he ran cross country. And then he goes to college and now he's out of
college, he's you know, he's in college but for his doctorate. So he's gained the the freshman 15.
I mean, this guy looks, you know, yeah, he's in more shape in the in high school
and he let himself go, you know, and then as he then it takes him 2 years to go stay on trial and lets himself go
even more. Yeah, well, I mean I mean think about this so he's he has an athletic body
type according to his adult friend finder account, right? But but there there we do know that on occasion he
rode his bike to and from school. Um we also know that like you said, he's at school, he's active, he's doing
things. No, but what I'm talking about is high school. He wasn't that active in college. So
yes, your body is is his body different? Yes, his body's different, but it's just
that's that's what it looks like when somebody's not in shape anymore. But what I'm saying for me is I'm seeing
a difference in body type between him at trial and him on the day that he's arrested or within days of his arrest.
Yeah, it's a it's a progression. But obviously it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it
out. I didn't even have to leave the garage to figure it out. It's because guess what? He's in solitary confinement
for most of his incarceration for most of the time that he's being held because of multiple reasons. One, they are
worried that he's going to be killed by another prisoner or person that's in the
jail. Uh two, they are worried about him trying to take his own life. There was reports of him slamming his head into
walls uh and him saying crazy things, but there were also things when he was first
brought in, they were the the other inmates were calling him a child killer and a baby killer and they they they
made no bones about it that they wanted to hurt him. So he was held in solitary confinement for those reasons. Guess
what? Unless you decide to drop to the floor and do push-ups, you don't get much activity in this situation.
Okay, so what are some other reasons why people would think that this is possibly some kind of
hoax and not not that it's not real, but that it's for some other agenda. Well, there's a lot of talk about his
funding for school being from uh DARPA, right? Now, DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Uh
it's roughly about 2.9 uh 2.97 billion dollars are allotted to DARPA every year. Uh they
it's but again, there's no record of this. Uh It seems like the majority of the money
that he's getting to go to school is coming from the university as as far as grants go. Yeah, he got a grant as well
as a stipend. Uh and on top of that, his parents seem to have some kind of money
that he may have been receiving money from them. And we do know that he had in his possession a credit card that he was
not afraid to use. Yeah, I mean and and the the big argument about this is that all the stuff he bought was possibly
about $10,000 worth of uh equipment that he purchased for the attack. Um again, he's you know, I'm we're talking about
20-some thousand dollars coming in from um the school to pay for his and I I just didn't find anything that
showed any validity that DARPA was paying for his school. Uh the other thing that is weird that is they say
that this is, you know, a big conspiracy because his therapist worked for the Air
Force. She was a and now, th- there is some validity to this. She did work for the Air Force.
She also has kind of a dark past. She was charged with some weird stuff. She was uh prescribing pills for herself,
prescribing pills for her family members. She got in trouble with the DEA about this.
They do their little whatever they got to do and then she ends up here. And so the
again, that it's this part of this conspiracy theory. Well, she worked for the Air Force, so
that means she's connected to the government and that means that he is like some uh silent assassin or whatever
you want to call him. Candidate. Yeah, MK Ultra type of stuff. So there's some validity to that idea, but
again, uh she saw him three times. You know, But but is there? I don't think that
there is. I think some of these are just leaps that people are making. leap, but what I'm saying is
she did work for the Air Force, you know, she was a psychiatrist for the Air Force.
No, I get that part of it, but it's also the same thing as saying, well, the captain knows Nick and Nick knows
John somebody over there. So So somebody. So that so therefore that means that John over
there knows the captain. Well, that's that's a bit of a leap. Yeah, and then the it comes out that
there's this inmate that sees him when he's in jail. Mhm. And she makes these claims that he's
screaming stuff and and and doing all the stuff. Later come to find out that she was not
an inmate, that she worked for the prison. It's it's a weird thing. What why she
did what she did or who told her to do that, it's a strange thing. To me, still no validity that there's
some conspiracy theory or that this just happened so that our government can take away our guns.
Um let's see. Some other stuff that was interesting. People always talked about him being drugged.
Uh yes, he was definitely drugged uh on some level. They they reported this in the paper basically saying that
that James Holmes was on some kind of truth serum, which we know truth serum as being like
LSD. This was not LSD. It is weird that they drugged him, but also this is a guy that has made
multiple claims you know, that he saw shadow people. He saw that he was seeing shadow people. Well, that was reported
because they were trying to decide they needed this psychol- psychiatrist to see
him to make a determination whether he was sane or legally insane at the time of the event for the purpose of his
trial. Now, during this they one of the methods that they thought of pursuing would be to feed him this truth serum
and to figure out if if he's telling the truth because he is of the level of intelligence that he may
be able to fake some kind of insanity. Right. Especially because he was a somebody that was studying the brain and
how the brain reacts and how the brain works. And and so he may be able to fake that.
Ultimately they decided not to give him that. They they they figured out that the best way to figure out if he's if
he's acting or if he's actually being true and real was to monitor him by multiple people over the course of a
lengthy amount of time because anybody I don't care how smart you are, how dumb you are, most people can act a certain
level of crazy for a certain amount of time. But if you do that if you expand it over a long enough timeline,
people can't hold that up after a while. Right, right, right. Yeah, and so you know,
there's some validity there. I mean they they were they did give him some drugs or whatever. Uh
I don't know what that proves. You know, I think that I think the thing that they
say is like a lot of the stuff with this whole MK Ultra talk is that well, we put somebody
you know, the sleeper assassin. They go they go up. They they he did the attack and now he can't remember any of it and
now we're going to drug him and the whole idea is that we're going to take him away from society and we're going to
screw up his brain. And so what they're saying is they're drugging him. So therefore it's
a conspiracy. Well, they are drugging him, but they're not hiding the fact that they did drug him.
And part of that is because he's on suicide watch. Right. And that's that's typical protocol to follow when when
they have you you you feed them the drugs because it dulls them down and it and it and it calms their behavior. So
again, it's happening. They're not being secretive about it. I don't think it plays you shouldn't run with this idea
to make it a conspiracy. But what they said was so after the media reports that wow, James Holmes looks super drugged
up, then the judge says no more media. And again, conspiracy theorists say, okay, well,
see, here's an example of them trying to cover this up. Yeah, they actually issued like a 2 and 1/2 year gag order
on people that were close to the case. They were not allowed to speak to the media regarding the James Holmes case.
Oh, the what the judge said you can believe it or not was he didn't want it to turn
into a media circus. And you know, obviously And you know what? Even with with all the extra that they put on to
it trying to make it not turn into a circus, it I mean it still it still was received in my opinion as a circus.
Yeah, so let me look at this. Okay, so okay, if we want to stuff that would make you some eyebrows,
right? They would raise your eyebrows and and James Holmes famous for his stupid eyebrows.
Some things that raise some eyebrows that just could just be pure crazy or is there something to it?
Deborah Cave, so what happens is there when they're going to sentence him, this lady, which people claim was homeless
and that she was at the courthouse for a couple days. She gets up and says, don't kill him. It's not his
fault. She's screaming this. And that okay, that's not that weird. But then she starts saying, look, it's
mental health. It's a mental health issue. You know, maybe he's sane, but his mental health
this is where it gets strange. Deborah Cave says, I'm his real mother. They took him from me.
And then James Holmes' mom turns around and now she's crying. Some mutter they mutter some stuff and
you know, they're trying to detain Deborah Cave and then she says some stuff and then she mutters FBI.
Now, that happened. We know that. We also know that Deborah Cave was found in contempt of court and then they arrested
her for this. I don't know what happened to Deborah Deborah Cave. I don't know if she was homeless. I
don't know if she was on drugs. I don't know if she's mentally well, but it's something that goes
well, that raises some eyebrows. I don't know what it means, but it's weird. It's very it's certainly
strange. Holmes looks like his mother. You know, have have you seen any interviews with the with his mother? He
he looks like his mother. I I that that's not that's I I I think he looks like his father as well. Yeah, I mean he
looks like his parents to me. I mean that's not a DNA test, you know, but so for me is on the police radio. You talk
about them looking for a shooter that is wearing blue blue jeans and a plaid shirt.
That raises some suspicion to me because that's definitely not what he was wearing. He's wearing all black. But
again, that could have just been, you know, misidentification. Let's get into some of the little
juicier stuff. The the one of the main things that people bring up is that Robert Holmes
James' home James Holmes' father. So Robert Holmes is a mathematician and also a scientist.
Like I said, he has degrees from Stanford, UCLA and UC Berkeley. The idea was that he was going to be on trial or
testify in a case dealing with uh LIBOR. This is the bank scandal. Yeah, LIBOR. Right? I think that's what it's called.
Now, basically what it is is that when when banks borrow money from each other, there's a system on how that works.
Now, you can read into this as much as you want and there's some weird stuff too because they people try
to make some connection that James' home James Holmes' father was connected to this LIBOR
and so was a victim's father and Sandy Hook. There's not much validity to the Sandy
Hook connection, but yes, Robert Holmes definitely had some stuff to do with FICO credit scores, some
computer programming and and different stuff in his field to help with banking and some people would say, well, that
connects Robert Holmes to the lead of the lead. Therefore, James' is part of this conspiracy.
I don't know if I buy that. It is very odd and it makes me want to dive into it more, but I I don't know if that proves
that this this is a conspiracy. There's there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there regarding this case
and regarding Sandy Hook and regarding a lot of these other mass shootings. But at the end of the day,
the thing is this this mass shooting problem is a problem and it and it's happening
all the time. I mean I want to give you some quick numbers here, okay? According
to the FBI, the FBI considers a a homicidal rampage like a mass shooting. They consider that their
definition of a mass shooting is where the attack results in the death of four or more persons, okay? So in the 1980s
in the United States, there were 18 of these such attacks. In the 1990s, there was 54 of them. In the 2000s, there was
87. And from the years of 2006 to 2010, we had 156 of these attacks. So hoax, no hoax,
whatever you you dive down all the rabbit holes you want to go to, that's fine and that's all well good, but you
can't argue against these numbers. The other thing that's crazy too is America's robbery, theft and assault
rates are similar to numbers that are seen and compared to other developed countries
like the US. However, our gun homicide rate, we have about 11,000 gun deaths a year in this country. This is according
to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So we're looking at numbers from 2013.
So this what this is is this means that our you our gun homicide rate is 30 times
higher than that of countries like France or Australia. So we're we're seeing and we're seeing a problem here.
We're we're seeing it repeat itself time and time again and it's increasing rapidly.
No, I I get that, but a lot of those countries are also quite smaller than ours. You know, so murder per per capita
and all that stuff, but Yeah, but they still have the same they say have the exact same numbers of robberies and
thefts and assaults. Yeah, I mean I think we definitely have a mental health issue. I definitely think we have
And and you know, in the 80s and the 90s, we actually had a lot more our violent uh attacks as far as violent
assaults, the rates were much higher for those singular attacks back then. But you had
a lot fewer of these these shooting massacre Well, when you said conspiracy or not,
well, yeah, and we're having a problem, but it's a it's it's a big problem if this is some conspiracy,
you know, to to control the narrative. Um now what they talked about was, you know, with this MK-Ultra thing, well, we
talked about this is the number one hair-raising thing that gives some validity, not that it's
hoaxed and it's fake, but that they're trying to control the narrative. Is they talk about with the MK-Ultra,
once you do something, then you you might have amnesia, but we don't want you to get to the point where you
do remember. Now there's a couple times that uh inmates said that James Holmes was yelling, uh the FBI brainwashed me.
Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Maybe that's part of psychosis, maybe it's not. I don't know.
Maybe it's him part of him acting crazy. Because but I think I believe that doctor when he said he was in he was
actually sane because I see those those fragments of sanity in his interrogation. And if you think
that this guy is just some crazy psycho, uh watch his interrogations. Yeah. You're
going to see some humanity inside him and you're going to see some saneness, but this
Well, you're going to see some thought put into action of his attack. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to
see that because he's asking about the children, like you had said. And there's other things that they learn from this
notebook that they that they get that he sent to the psychiatrist. They figure out that that he again, he picked the
late-night showing of this movie because he didn't believe that there would be any children in there. The notebook
clearly states he clearly presents himself as somebody that wants to kill people, and he thinks about becoming a
serial killer. However, he decides that that's not the route he's going to go because that's too personal of an of an
attack. That's a that's an up-close and personal wouldn't be able to handle something
like that. He also thinks about going into an airport and carrying out a mass shooting in airport. However, he decides
that he doesn't want to do that because there would be too much security there and that he would probably be stopped
before he could get to what he do what he wants to do. He also thought about using explosives to to kill a lot
of people. However, he decided not to use explosives because he was worried that he would blow himself up in the
process. Right, well, he uses explosives, but and then that's another part about the conspiracy. Some people
believe there was no bombs at all in his apartment. But in which then in that case the
notebook goes with that thought. But but the big hair-raising thing um if you want to start diving down the
conspiracy thing and really which gives some validity to it, you know, is we don't know where James Holmes is.
Right. You know, he was arrested, uh he you know, went on trial, he's charged, and sentenced. He's sentenced, all that
stuff, and then they did this uh prisoner trade. So basically this one prison will we're
going to give you a prisoner. Well, he was attacked. Well, yeah, he was attacked.
attacked. What happened was one of the correction officers accidentally well, we don't need to go into that. But for
whatever reason there was a door that was left unlocked or or cell that was left unlocked. Somehow
somebody didn't do their job correctly and an inmate was able to get to James Holmes Holmes and assaulted him. And
after this took place, this was last year. After this took place, they transported him to another prison and
they will not say where he's being held and they say that this is for his personal safety. Yeah, so what they do
is a one-for-one. We're going to trade this prisoner for you. They say it's for his safety. And then
the the the there's uh parents of the victims that just want to know where he's at.
And they won't say and the state I guess technically doesn't have to say. Uh that's the hair-raising thing. When
that happens, now and and by the way, he's not prisoner James Holmes anymore. He's prisoner whatever. They say they
changed his name. Uh who knows, right? So nobody knows where he's at. Um that's the that's one of the
main things. I don't find that fishy at all. Yeah, but I find that to be a problem
and I a problem. Because in certain states, and it might be all 50 states, I'm not
certain, but I know for I know for a fact that some of the states carry the system where they are required to treat
their inmates and the inmates have the same rights as the citizens of that state.
Right. Well, this presents some problems because we've seen in some states where
where maybe somebody wants to be a man wants to become a woman. Well, everybody has that right. So now the
state has to pay for that process to take place and that's not a cheap process. So in this situation we're
seeing we're seeing where they need to keep James Holmes safe without being attacked or without being
killed by another inmate because that's the same thing that they would transpire
to any citizen of that state. I I have a problem with this. I don't I don't have a problem with keeping
inmates safe. I think that they should I should they should be safe. The problem
here is I do think that the victims' families as well as the general public has much of every much of a right to know
where he's being kept and how long he's going to be kept there. I think that people need to know this. I I think you
know, if if punishment is the deterrent for committing a crime or harmful acts to
others, then we need to see the punishment, right? We need to be aware of it. This guy doesn't shouldn't just
be able to vanish like a ghost in the night. Right. And now and now this now he becomes more of a of a legend, so to
speak. Yeah, and I think because of that that, you know, sparks fire. I'm not saying it gives any validity to this
idea that it's conspiracy that you know, this is some part of like, you know, mind control or something.
Um but I think it it's one of those things that conspiracy theorists will go, "Haha, see? See?" We can't even find
James Holmes. How can we know anything? Um but yeah, there's some there's some odd stuff about this, but in any of
these cases, I mean, you can look up this stuff about uh you know, the Illuminati cards and you can look up all
these number theories about James Holmes. Um look, if you're looking for answers and
you're looking for odd things that don't line up, you're going to find those if you look for them. You know, if you're
really searching them out. But uh man, we've gone long enough already. Oh, wow. So anyways, he's a he's a real piece of
[ __ ] Um you know, I think we should know where he's at. Um I agree. I agree. a real piece of [ __ ]
Especially the victims' families. Um and like we said, there's so many victims here. I mean, when you when you tally it
all up, uh it's crazy. And what's sad is that this kid showed promise. You know,
this kid showed um intellect you know, he he could have done he knows what he could have done and in
the positive realm. And he didn't do that. And then he and he takes these innocent people's lives
and affects all these people. Uh it's it's a sad story. Well, and you know what? Here's the thing, too. You know,
you we often, you know, I've said it myself and I've heard other people say it as well. When when these mass
shootings happen and you know, we said that 60% of them decide to commit suicide or die during the act or after
the act and he didn't do that in this situation. And when when we see these mass shootings, we often say, myself
included, "Well, why didn't he just go kill himself? You know, instead of doing this horrible thing, why didn't he just
go kill himself?" I can't answer that question, but here's here's what I want to know.
I think there's something going on with the youth of America and it's not youth of America as a whole, but it's
happening in these little pockets, right? And we're seeing these mass shootings happen at a faster rate year
after year after year. We all want to know why they're happening, but at the same time
some of this is to get noticed. Yeah. Some of it is a way to get noticed. Now here's a good way to go out and get
noticed. Go talk to a psychiatrist. Go tell them that, you know what, I'm there's something inside of me telling
me to kill people or telling me to to to shoot into an audience of people. Mhm. Why don't you choose to be famous or
choose to be known or or be somebody that was somebody that saved lives rather than taking them.
Yeah, you'd be known as the the mass murderer that never was. Or something like that. Yeah.
All right, let's wrap this up cuz um Skull getting a little too much for me today.
We got a little hairy and scary in the garage tonight. They're draining, man. These cases drain
you. You you research them, you're trying to find interesting things to talk about, but at the
at the end of the day, uh innocent people lost their lives and and it's and it sucks.
And it sent Well, and the the terrible thing, too, is it's senseless. It's absolutely senseless. And we've we've
locked ourselves in the garage for the last week trying to get into the mind of James Holmes and figure out why this
happened. And there and I I need to get out. All right. reading. Thank you, Captain. I want to recommend
The Spiral Notebook, The Aurora Theater Shooter and the epidemic of violent mass
violence committed by American youth. This is by a husband and wife team, uh Stephen and Joyce Singular. And they
This is a very interesting book. Of course, it talks about James Holmes and the events leading up to the attack and
the things that took place afterwards. But one thing that they did that was interesting here is they discuss some of
the other mass shootings in this country. They discuss a lot of numbers and statistics, as well as interviewing
parts of American youth and asking them their opinions on of the epidemic of what's going on in this country. Right.
Uh so again, that's The Spiral Notebook by Stephen and Joyce Singular. You can pick that up by going to
truecrimegarage.com, click on the recommended page, and you're going to see this book as well as all the other
books and uh even we recommended a movie last week. So, go check that out. truecrimegarage.com. Uh sorry that Well,
I'm not sorry. Not sorry that the episode was so long. Well, some people some people might
Break it up into I enjoyed sitting here speaking with you, and we avoid avoided watching the election uh in the process.
We did get out and try to rock the vote, but who knows what will happen with that.
I meant no spoilers, but uh But either way, Bill Murray didn't win. regardless of the outcome, let's all be
friends, and let's all be a great country together. And you know what, Captain? Until next time, be good, be
kind, and don't litter. Bill Murray for president.

Episode Notes

Original Release: 11-8-2016

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24 year old James Holmes entered the movie theatre, along with hundreds of others, for the midnight premier for the much anticipated film "The Dark Knight Rises." James does not plan to sit and enjoy the movie nor does he intend for anyone else to enjoy it. Shortly after the start of the movie James goes on a homicidal rampage against all in attendance. Tonight we discuss one of the most senseless and disturbing acts of public violence in recent history.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Aurora theater shooting, James Holmes' background, and the aftermath of the attack on victims and society.

Key points

The Aurora Theater Shooting. Discussion of the tragic event that took place in Colorado in 2012.
Holmes' College Life. Insight into James Holmes' academic success and social isolation during college.
James Holmes' Struggles. Holmes faces social and academic challenges, leading to recommendations for therapy.
The Aurora Theater Shooting. Holmes executes a planned attack during a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises.
Police Response. Officers break protocol to transport victims, prioritizing lives over procedure.
Holmes's Disturbing Behavior. During questioning, Holmes exhibits erratic behavior, including trying to use a staple as a weapon.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He talks about the nail ghost.

Discussion of James Holmes' early mental health issues.

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