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[Applause] [Music] all right I we're we're now different we're different we're used to be the same and
Frank shut up the garage do he's very aggressive well well he's short for one and then he's
uhh you know he's just uh anytime he hears something I mean I think it's a good thing I mean if he hears a car pull
up mm he starts he starts barking right we we have that's the alarm system uh that's always on whether we're here or
not he is uh he he he is here to notify us hey there's something going on outside of the G
it's of no importance at all he'll bite you but it won't hurt um cuz I think he's afraid to fully bite so let me
before we get into anything let me tell you this I should have told you this before we flipped on the microphones but
you're the one of very few people that I think will have an appreciation for this
the way that I do so I've been saving this for you but um there is a bar that I go to it's a small little bar he's
already told this to like 10 people and um they have a handful of pinball machines uhhuh okay they got The Adams
Family one which is surprisingly good for how old it is they have the Metallica One you know so many people
will know this there's a a fad going on right now where they're taking a lot of the old bands and they're making pinball
machines with their name and likeness and all that good stuff and their music on there too which is cool like you'll
get a random song as you're playing right and a lot of the things on the pinball game itself will have to do with
their songs and Records throughout the years so I've played many of these different band ones you know a band that
was not my favorite band um nowhere near my favorite band but I think they got the best pinball machine is Iron Maiden
oh there you go they they have the Iron Maiden pinball game at the Brew Dog Brewery well isn't that special well
this is that's not I'm getting sidetracking myself here but that small bar that I go
to I was there on Friday evening and I was sampling some beers I think I sent you a picture or two they had uh they
they had some new beers that they I'd never had before and I was tasting them there and the owners happened to be in
the store and they kind of quieted everybody down and they made an announcement that last year was so good
and profitable for them that rather than just you know buying a fancy car spending it all on themselves they
wanted to reward all of the you know patrons that come in all the the very loyal customers that they have yeah
because we are the ones that made them successful well I mean they they run a good good operation but so as a thank
you to all the customers they are ordering two new pinball machines all right one is WWE oh which I'm I'm
curious to see what you know what wrestlers will be you know I I love the Macho Man so I'm hoping Macho Man Macho
Man Ultimate Warrior the million dooll man's probably my second favorite so I'm hoping he will be on there you and I I
like Dusty I like Dusty roads once in a while I like the little Dancy does you can make a whole pinball game off the
dusty roads dance yeah it's dusty road Pinball Wizard but this is one that you will like I I think even more is Primus
they're getting a Primus pinball machine which I didn't know that they were it I
am going to your bar to play that I the first round will be on me and and I very
stoked I you were a much big bigger Primus fan than I was but I I do have a few songs that hold a special place in
my heart a quick story about the Primus is uh being a bass player so you you have the instrument it wasn't it wasn't
one of those situations where I wanted to play guitar most PE most bass players stories are well you know I wanted to
play guitar but they voted for me to play in the you know bass in the band mhm that didn't happen to me I just
decided I wanted to play the bass and the orchestra and then it was okay well let me get electric bass so that's the
invol then it was like oh let me try out this guitar thing but so unique in that
sense but then you had bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers where I just didn't understand them okay you know like I
don't think they understand them right but it's like but they're good I didn't get like the whole just like funk music
or anything like it didn't like I thought it was like this is very unique compared to all this other stuff like
I'd hear them and go that they're the same as like Jane's Addiction but different M but then also I'd lump like
the BC boys into that category but then I'd lump somebody like primest into that
category like they're they're they're all so unique that they have to be in own category yeah they don't really fit
the typical mold of any one genre yeah and I just remember like deciding that I need to
get into Primus cuz people kept on asking oh so you like Primus and I'm like oh okay well I don't know anything
about them I need to get them so I bought I believe it was pork soda oh yeah and I listen to it like three or
four times in a row that day and just the whole time going one I don't understand this I don't get it like I
don't know what's good about this I don't know if it's good and then your buddy Jerry uh comes down the day I
bought the disc and I was like Hey Primus he always likes some different stuff you know I love these guys yeah
and you guys were going cruising around and I said uh he said uh C can I take the
CD I said sure you guys are going to come back later that night right so I figured I'm
getting my CD back later that night did you get it was like 2 and a half years later I actually bought another copy you
replaced it and then uh but then somehow that copy got ruined or something like it like fell underneath a seat in my car
and got like scratched up and one time at a party or something I I end up seeing Jerry and said hey Jerry uh you
still got my pork soda CD he's like or or maybe he was like hey man why are you here here's your CD back and it was like
2 and 1/2 years later but by that point like I was I mean I I I don't think I talked a lot about it with people but in
my brain like you know people always talk about like um John Mayer told this story one time like when he's on stage
you know he's not John Mayor in his head okay he's Stevie rayon okay yeah and and
and for a long time of my planing when I eyes was on stage I was not me I was just my uh impersonation of your bass
playing Alter Ego was L yeah it would be less clayful yeah there you go yeah so I'm very much looking forward to the
pinball machine I don't have an arrival date yet they didn't give a date on when
they would receive them but uh I'm going I am going maybe we will do a little uh
YouTube video on our phone or something while hey we could do a live podcast from the bar yeah the the colonel
playing Primus pinball for the very first time yeah I'll be singing along with all the jams too many
[Music] puppies what are you into I got I love this song called too many puppies um which is I think electric
grape vine that's one of my favorite Prime songs okay don't quiz me on promise I will fail the quiz oh they're
they're so good I just big shut up dog probably nobody can hear the Barking but I can hear the bar we can
hear we'll just talk over him all right so not only does your bar have maybe the
coolest pinball machine ever mhm I mean cuz like you know like a well they don't
have it yet air Smith one would be cool or like I really like the airos Smith ACDC or um Guns and Roses has one Guns
and Roses would be good but but that's very standard yeah you don't expect to see a Primus one is what's going to be
ex taking it to another level yeah um I have a friend Nolan we we both drove the
same car in high school and he was a huge Primus fan didn't play baits though that's all what baffled me the most was
that he didn't play bass like he's maybe the biggest PR fan I've ever met in my life and he doesn't play bass just he
baffles me um so your bar has a very or is going to have a very cool pinball my bar does not have a cool pinball machine
but that's not also what makes us different you are on TV so you went from just a podcast host to on TV M and you
kind of talked about it in one of the other episodes where you talked about being interviewed and going up uh but
the the show is called the lake eie murders mhm and it's on Discovery ID mhm investigation discover or ID channel for
short yeah it was um three-part Series so so so here's what's strange it's called the lake
Eerie murders but it's a series so the first series is a three-part series on the Amy mahalic case mhm and that's the
episodes you are on so if anybody's looking to see those you appear in out of the three episodes you appear on
episode number two two and episode number three yep but this is this is true in my in my mind I remember you
saying I'm going to be interviewed for this thing this Amy mahalic documentary thing mhm but I was 100% convinced that
it was just this local thing that that that's just it was just going to be something that maybe played
in The Bay Bay Village area so as the show is approaching and the more we talked about then I was like
wait this is going to be on ID mhm like that's kind of a big deal mhm but I was still convinced that it
was supposed to just be a local thing uh and so then I was like okay well he's hasn't made much of a big deal about it
it's three episodes and then we both been filmed before so we know that you know you could be filmed for 2 hours and
they only use 2 seconds or maybe n or they don't use you at all yeah so you were kind of being secretive
about well I held I held back and and actually some of my close friends and even relatives I did receive some
backlash because they're like hey I heard from somebody else that you're going to be on this thing and so I
watched it and you it turned out really good you know they wanted to talk about it and I and I had to offer a lot of
apologies to a few people because like you said it was one of those things I didn't want to tell a bunch of people I
was going to be on something and then they watch especially finding out it's a three-hour tour and you know hey watch
this thing I'm going to be on it and then you're not on it you know what kind of what kind of garage [ __ ] do you look
like right but here's the thing is like so by not trying to look like an arrogant dick face okay you then
actually end up looking like an arrogant dick face you see what I'm saying oh yeah yeah oh like you didn't mean to cuz
you're like well I don't want to waste your time I didn't feel good feel that bad about it until now but
then once they saw it they're like this son of a [ __ ] he he he's doing such cool [ __ ] with his life he can't even
tell me about it can't even bother to let me know well was what was interesting is
so I didn't I knew that there was a possibility you're going to be on this thing so I didn't want to like shoot out
to social media that hey Nick's on this thing again what if you have people watch for three hours and you were kind
of convinced that you're brought in at the last minute they're not going to use much of you if they use you okay so let
me kind of take would it be okay if I take you through the process here a little bit I
mean I don't give a [ __ ] you're the you're the Superstar so let me roll out the red carpet for you want some
champagne I actually spoke with these people multiple times before we before we filmed anything yeah and I had very
lengthy phone calls with with many of the persons involved in in the production of this
documentary the thing though is in the early stages and and actually for the the majority of my involvement with them
they weren't even certain it was going they were in the beginning they weren't certain they were even going to film
anything right then they weren't certain if they did film anything if it would ever be on TV you know so it's like I my
what where I was asked to help in the very beginning was I was contacted by them who said hey we've heard that you
know your your uh pseudo expert in this in this particular case yeah and we are not from Bay Village we're not from the
area we are just reaching out to people that seem to know a lot about this case to figure out if there's even enough
here for a story right you know so I would talk to several different people the cool thing that I did like you know
cuz you and I have have done and you've done them separately as well but you and
I have done these together where we talk to TV or podcast or whatever and a lot of
times we're often speaking to more than one person all at once which which I can't stand because it people talk over
one another uh ideas get lost in the shuffle so forth and so on but in all these instances I only spoke with one
person and then they would like kind of Shuffle me to somebody else and I'd speak to a different person on the phone
the next time and so that part of it was a lot of fun because they're you know they're looking for information and
angles to tell their story and so that part was great and then when we actually filmed it it was
filmed near Bay Village so it wasn't you know they didn't come to Columbus to film me uh I drove up to you're not that
special no what you're trying to say I drove up to Lakewood okay yeah and we filmed it there and at the time cuz your
your scene looks like the same house as Bill's seen he may have been in the same home
yeah bill from the what's his uh podcast called uh who killed Amy mahalic which is the name of the docu series as well
or the the the section of the lake yri murders yeah so to so so to kind of be clear yeah and I this won't be crystal
clear because I don't 100% Know Myself CU you were drunk but to be clearer the first three episodes are an hour long
and each one discusses the Abduction the the murder investigation and what's happened sense then in Amy's particular
case one through three after that it's my understanding that they will do a new case but it will be each case will be a
singular episode so that's why it's Lake eie murders because there might even be
some solved cases along the way um that they discuss on the show but you don't think you're not in any of that no I
never discussed any and and that's why I say this won't be crystal clear because
I don't know fully what they're doing right um you know they don't need to tell me what they're doing that was my
only involvement was Amy's case and I'm curious to see which cases they pick because um you know most of them are
going to take they're all going to take place around the lake eie area yeah there's a chance some of the cases we've
covered here I mean we covered uh Marilyn Shepard's case yeah and we will be there's something in that might be in
the works that you and I have kind of planned out with Mr James rener about a Cleveland case right um I don't think
that one will be in there uh because it's not you know the proximity to Lake Erie is is is pretty far
but um I'm curious to see what cases they cover because we also covered paully class right did I say your name
right no no we didn't C no who am I thinking of poly class the the girl that went missing they've never found her and
remember that they even had um they received that that Ransom note and or a ransom phone call and one of the
detectives dressed up like her mother to go deliver the oh yeah the money what do
we and they arrested the guy that they arrested the guy and it turned out he had nothing to do with her they don't
think he had anything to do with her disappearance but I don't think we could we we definitely didn't call the case by
her name though may not have been no you know sometimes we get sometimes we call
them interesting things other sometimes they're called interesting things interesting things featured next next
week on True Crime garage interesting things part one but so the the filming process nobody else that they were
filming that day was present when I was there being filmed it was me and all the
the say and the weird thing is that you can't see on my parts and pieces and I'm
sure it was the same for the other people involved but you know the camera's facing me and then behind that
camera is like eight or nine people right like staring at you they got lights on you you can barely see they
all sitting in different ways they're sitting in different ways but some of them are kind of huddled together like
yeah and and sometimes you give it an answer and then people start talking you can't hear them but you go I know that
they're talking about my answer right they're Whispering something to themselves hey hey that's I go hey hey
hey hey mhm tell tell me what you think but the the thing that was yeah interesting for me is you know you and I
here in the garage we're in charge of how we do the show what we say what we don't say and what makes it onto the
show what doesn't make it onto the show well I used to have a say in until um you became a celebrity and during this
was even during the filming process sometimes they would you know cut uh can you say it can you say don't say that
like like there's some things that they were just straight up like yeah we don't
want you to say that and they're like okay well you know which which is my favorite part or don't use a person's
name that was really the big thing like when you're talking about specific suspects or people in the story and you
mention their name some sometimes they can't legally put that in there um or they didn't want to risk the legality of
doing such that was one of the funniest things when we were basically what we did was we shot
um a pilot but not actually an episode it was just basically a bunch of footage to create almost like a Long Trailer mhm
they called it a Sizzle reel and that's what they created when they wanted to shop our show as a TV show show mhm and
we we didn't talk much about that I I think we've talked about it from time to time um I come here from time to time
mhm um but the best was the the producer and the directors were saying you know we we really want to get across that
we're trying to solve the cases so I'm behind the camera and and Nick has told me multiple times I'm not comfortable
doing this I don't really want to do this I don't like the camera and so the camera does not like me I think he was
first he's like well we'll interview Nick first I'm like okay do do that and so at some point they're they're trying
to get him to say like you know our goal is to try to solve one of these cases right MH that's all they're trying to
get him to say they're trying to get him to say with some enthusiasm maybe a little passion and they keep so he says
something and they say yeah talk more about like how we're going to solve something be a little more aggressive a
little more and at some point he just yells and we're going to solve all these cases every one of them or something
like that I don't like yeah go ahead but it was like so like like we already talked to this
director we already talked to the producer like we we've talked about the fact that chances are when you go to
cover some of these cases just like we do every week yes we're trying to uncover new information we're trying to
uncover different ways to look at the case trying to remind the public that this isn't
right can somebody take this information run with it can we solve something hopefully we can get some more answers
for the victim's family yes that's what we're trying to do are you going to do that for every case probably not you
know that's just the reality of it MH and so the fact that like we already kind of talked about this you know we
got to be realistic we're probably not going to solve all the cases but if we can shed light on them we're doing a
good thing and to see you just like screaming at the camera we're going to solve all these cases says and get those
bastards or something and uh and then the producer sort of looked at me and she was like you know we're not going to
solve all the cases we need scale that back I'm like yeah I I know we're not going to yeah that day I when we filmed
that I I think I even pulled you aside and I was like look man uh I could do this if I had about three
beers in a smoke like I was um I one cuz I we're filming inside a barn and they the whole production crew was
inside the barn mhm and we're outside the barn mhm as you're you're like I'm nervous I was like thinking why are you
nervous like well I'm it's just a camera I'm someone that it it's less about the
camera and more about yeah the structure of the way we do things like so sometimes and this can
be heard on some of our shows and often it's edited out but we have certain materials in front of us we have certain
things available at our fingertips here and when you turn on the camera you you don't have those things available to you
they nobody wants to see some guy uh hiding behind a piece of paper that has his notes on it so I I I don't know if
those notes are a crutch or whatever you want to call that but it's it is some kind of security blanket for me where I
you know because a lot of our stories involve very detailed information dates places names and that stuff gets jumbled
up in my little uh bird brain sometimes right and yeah so anyway but that that's
where that's why the camera makes me feel uncomfortable because I can't use that crutch we're going to solve them
all so here's the other thing so Lake Erie murders that episode came out what the 30th yeah so Sunday night well well
let me just finish this part so I'm I'm sitting in my recliner I get through there's three episodes so I get through
the first one and I decide this is interesting and this is it's very well put together it's very well done so I go
I'm just going to watch the the next two and by the way Nick's not in the first one so then I go okay well I gota I got
to keep watching for his part but after the first one I went okay I've seen all the major players C rener in there we
see Bill we see the family I go okay maybe Nick's just cut out of all this right so I have a buddy that's watching
it my buddy Morgan he's watching at the same time I end up falling asleep in my recliner cuz
it's like that's what happens you you push the button and comfort zone puts you in the comfort zone and you and you
fall asleep and so then I wake up and look at my phone and the text message is wait Nick's in this
oh my God you didn't tell me Nick was in this oh he was going to watch it anyway
and didn't know that cuz he's recently got really into the Amy mahalic case and I'm like a it's going to be on uh so
then I have to rewind about halfway through the second episode Here Comes you popping up on the screen uh Nick
from True Crime garage or Nick True Crime garage podcast host or something like that I was like oh that's cool and
that was my request by the way I told them they if they used my Voice or my face at any point it had to say True
Crime garage on the screen yeah that's okay right well my first thought was we're going to be
billionaires everybody that come all these people that are watching the show right now are going to listen to us and
we're going to become billionaires no um well the my first thought was oh cool he made it you know
because you spend this time doing work and and doing these interviews and for them not to use you and then they kept
on using you in cool ways like they they'd cut to the scene and You' just hear your voice leading into it yeah and
then they'd show you for a second and then probably like 10 minutes into when you were being shown I was like oh there
he is again there oh there he is again and I thought well well now he's a lot bigger
uh part of this documentary and so you're a lot bigger part in the second part and then also they show you a bunch
in the third part as well uh so and crazy thinking about this somebody that you know five years ago is just studying
this case as a hobby and then to end up on a national uh publicized uh TV program as an expert of
the case I mean that's pretty pretty pretty awesome I'm not going to lie to you I got more excited receiving the
phone calls from them than the actual filming portion of it or or even the release of it like that felt like a
bigger pat on the back for me um but so but here's the other thing too in regards to it came out December 30th
Sunday night we I had already filmed that interview before we even did crime con last year and we did crime con what
June or May uh yeah may I think yeah so it by the time it came out it I had almost kind of for I didn't forget about
it but you know probably forgot how well well you did or didn't do I I actually it I also didn't know how good it was
going to turn out because I've seen some of these true crime documentaries and they're terrible and I've seen other
ones that are fantastic some are brilliant some are [ __ ] yeah and I think the I think the final product was very
good and then regarding my portion of the filming I knew fairly well what they wanted me to talk about in advance just
a couple days beforehand they they they sent me that information um you know here's a laundry
list of things we're hoping to have time enough to speak with you about well the
overwhelming majority of all those items were things that happened in the case and in the story after was found or
around the time her body was found which was for those of that watched they know
that it was months later right so that's part of the reason why you don't see me
in any portion of the first uh episode first hour was because we didn't you know I wasn't asking any questions about
that portion of the case right yeah a lot of people on social media would why weren't you on the show I just thought
uh I they didn't ask me to you know but then I thought but I'm not um I I'm not and never would I claim to be uh a crime
expert not that you would run around claiming that you were but I wouldn't claim that ever but because but
regarding Amy's case I will say this and I and I and people can think this is smug or whatever but [ __ ] him I do I do
feel very strongly that I know quite a bit more about the case than the average citizen even the average Bay Village
citizen right and but guess what in the end chicken butt when when they when they finally solve this thing a lot of
that information that I know or that I've read about and researched over the years is probably useless information
and we know that from doing our show there's you know we'll talk about a case for two hours and a lot of different
speculation along the way some of those cases ended up being solved and some of them yeah there good speculation
involved and there was also things that at the time may have seemed important but when you get the final answer the
final solution you find out it had nothing to do with the actual case right yeah no but I think it was cool and oh
is is like I said it's put together very well and it's such an interesting case and the fact that there is so many uh
suspects and they do it in a in a good way but it's also a little annoying because
you hear about a suspect and that since they don't give names to dive more into that angle it's kind of hard to do you
have to do more research to figure out who they're actually talking about and then dive in that way but um no I
thought it was really well put together and and and not not saying that I'm not that I'd ever if somebody ever called me
a crime expert well I'd think well at some point we've done we did enough episodes that you could call me that
we're we're more of a true crime podcast expert than a than a crime expert yes and
uh but but yeah I don't I don't know if I'll ever but if you need somebody to talk about
crime there's nobody on this planet that can flap their gums and circle around and beat around
bushes of nonsense more than these two guys and I will challenge anybody you [ __ ] want to test
me I will I will make this show go 247 all right I will talk to you that is 2 24
minutes seven times a week 247 no no seriously I remember the one time we're about ready to record for
OJ and we're like oh are we going to be a able to talk for three episodes I think that was the
question mhm and we end up spending like 4 and a half five hours on the phone that's right cuz we had never done had
we even done a double we had done double episodes by that point I think but three
seemed like a lot of heavy lifting and you're right we got on the phone over the one night in one night
didn't we talk for like 4 hours on the phone yeah it was almost 5 hours and I'm I remember thinking [ __ ] we should have
just recorded this we should start recording these things it it would make the other work a little easier but back
to the the Amy case so and this is a credit to investigation discovery and the producers and director and and everybody
involved and I I don't think people understand how many people had to have been involved in this for them to put
together this story this True Crime Story and a credit to them is as someone who has followed the case for so many
years and and tried to digest everything I can get my hands on and and and research this case it was interesting
for me to watch it and actually learn a couple of things that I didn't know so that that's a credit to them um I it was
interesting too discredit to you mark mahalic yeah said that there was a couple things he was even unaware of and
his only criticism of the the documentary was he felt that there were so many people in his life
especially his at his work and in his business that that supported him through that very very difficult time that and
and unfortunately it will always be a difficult time for Mark but he he wished that the documentary would have brought
up some of those people and said hey you know the these are the people that helped the family get through this right
these are these are you know his and he speaks very highly in the newspapers of his employer saying you know they they
were helping out with the reward money they were being accommodating to me during the this time in my life yeah and
you know he basically says I could I don't know that if I I could have gone on without the support system of the
community their friends family and their businesses their employers at the time he he says I don't know if I could have
made it through there and so that's interesting to hear and and kudos to mark for not forgetting those people
that helped him get you know on to carry on right um I I did read an article that
came out in a Cleveland newspaper and I I should have put this in my notes because I hate to say Cleveland
newspaper not reference their exact name but right that the article came out on Thursday or Friday so just days after
the airing of the show and they said that they've received 50 tips regarding the case so you're talking about a case
that's 1989 1990 you know abduction in ' 89 body found in 90 all these years later there's still some tips that come
in because of this and that's just within days I wonder what that number is up to now uh the other but one thing to
keep in mind and I don't mean to kind of set something up that sounds so very positive and then tear it down so
quickly but you do have I think it was was spel uh the the police chief up in Bay
Village he did say yes we received a bunch of of tips which is they're very thankful for and they have always said
they believe that solving this case will come from the public right he did he did
want to voice that some of these tips that they've received are not technically new ones right they're um
people contacting them that they've spoke to in the past um but he didn't say all of them aren't new so there is
some light at the end of the tunnel well and some of the people are watching the
document docu series and saying hey uh they left out this little detail about this guy mhm and then they calling up
and going hey you forgot this detail and they're going yeah yeah yeah we know about that so that's probably a lot of
the the tips that they're getting and the best thing that you know among some other things but one really good thing
that the documentary will do and that you know we have done on our shows dat lined up does it 2020 does it other True
Crime podcasts do it one of what I think is the best thing is to remind people that it's unsolved you know we talked
about this you and I have both voiced this many times over and over again especially in the Brian Schaefer case
that we you know we live in the town where he went missing from right and we would hear rumors on the streets in bars
and restaurants talk to people that would go yeah they found that guy yeah or oh yeah they solved that thing he was
on vacation right and and the thing to is you wouldn't know if they're telling the truth or not right I mean you just
go what they found him and then because you're into crimes and you're into cases
you go home and you do a little searching and then you realize they didn't find him yeah the reminder of
cases being unsolved I think is a huge thing because it gets lost through o through the years that go by people just
assume sometimes that something has been solved or they hear a bad rumor or bad information and they think case is
solved that it that it in fact still needs the Public's help yeah and when you assume you make get ass out of you
and me you know so we shouldn't assume one thing that's weird though um and I think this is an appropriate place to
address this I wanted to address this at some point so all right we'll just throw
it out there but Ted lamborgine was not discussed on the documentary and there has been a lot of talk um some
Rumblings by people I know and people I've spoken to that question we brought up Ted lamourine in the Oakland County
child killing case and yeah he was later found in the Greater Cleveland area many
years after the fact he's been a he's he's a suspect in my mind in the Oakland County child killing case case and
proximity would put him in the area at the time of Amy Mahal's abduction and murder um I'm not saying he's the guy
but I find it interesting that all these years later I really feel like there's bit
bits of a Grassroots movement to include him as a viable suspect in the Amy mahalic case and the thought being that
maybe he wasn't her abductor or murderer but if he was involved in the Oakland child killing case Oakland County case
right that it very well possibly could have been a ring of individuals that carried out those murders yeah and if so
did that ring when the heat was turned up did they move from that area and go elsewhere now did they go to uh Johnny
gosh land did they go to Amy mahalic land did they go you know what I mean there
Jacob W wling well we we caught that guy but but I see what you're saying I see what you're saying could he have have
known any individuals that were um involved in anything so I do want to throw that out there and you and I have
talked about revisiting some cases and Amy's case has always been on that list and because we feel like yeah we we
covered it but we really covered James renner's version of the what went down yeah we never really covered I don't
think what my my thoughts and feelings 100% your thoughts and feelings 100% um so that that should be on the short list
of cases to probably reexamine at some point yeah uh and then we could really dive into the Ted lamine connection if
there is one and uh but I think what we do for now is I think we Let the Smoke Clear a little bit this documentary came
out they did a good job see what see what materializes from this well and to be clear this happened in Cleveland but
her her body was [Music] found quite a ways away from that area right yeah Ashlin County Ashlin County
and so how far of a distance was that I mean you might not know exactly off the top of your head well remember I drove
from the shopping plaza where she was last seen to the dump site and it it's about a 50 55 minute drive from point A
to point B right now obviously she was taken somewhere else in between all of that but that you know should give you I
don't know mileage how many miles exactly it is I'm sure you as the crow flies I'm sure you could get there a lot
faster than 50 55 minutes right because it's a lot of uh zigzagging around and it really is out in the middle of
nowhere I mean that's the the simplest way to describe that area where her body was found uh I'm going to just since
we're on this topic I just want to hit this for about a couple minutes M okay so Sasha Baron Cohen you know yeah the
the uh actor writer Bor Borat Borat the NASA Nas the is oh n ni very nice I hope
this stupid thing doesn't play automatic thought he exposed a pedophile ring while filming who is America yeah so the
he's so basically what happens this is the story that just came out I think December 22nd late December okay um so
just recent and but what here's what I I'm I'm bringing it up for a reason okay so he um speaking to
deadline Cohen explained that uh when he was filming under the disguise of Italian
Playboy Gio uh morondo for a skit there in Las Vegas and so he is playing a character and he's quite convincing with
and right and the whole idea is that he's playing a character but he's not letting the person know that he's
talking to that he's in character they think he's a real person they think that's his real personality that's his
that's what he looks like that's his likeness that's his personality right so he's he's Gio the Italian Playboy and
he's in Las Vegas and he's talking into a hotel coner okay uh and then the conversation became very disturbing so
it says why we're shooting um some of this is at the time of all the Harvey Weinstein stuff he
said we wanted to investigate how does someone like Harvey Weinstein get away with doing what get away with
this um victimizing people right and uh the network that surrounds somebody like
this person so we decided that Gio would interview this coner and Las Vegas well
during the interview uh I revealed that basically uh Gio has molested an 8-year-old
boy so he's he he's acting like he's in real life and he's kind of tossing it out there that his character that he's
playing has molested an 8-year-old boy to the concierge right now mind you this is Extreme
comedy and we thought that the guy would leave the room hey you know I'm display
boy but hey I molested this 8-year-old boy and then the coner would be like well [ __ ] you dude and leave the room
instead the coner stays in the room and I go listen you got to help me get rid of the
problem here is um here is where Cohen explains that conier gave him advice on how to silence the child with talk um
with even talk about murder continue the guy starts advising Gio the character how to get rid of the issue uh they even
at one point um again talked about murdering the boy and um my God what hotel is this and then the coner is just
saying well listen I'm really sorry and in this country uh we can't just drown the boy
this is America we don't do that and then in the end he puts him in touch with a lawyer who can silence the boy
and then also at some point he I think he also explains to the guy that um oh something like where they can silence
the boy but also that he can get get him other boys and so he uh Cohen and his team of producers immediately handed
their footage over to the FBI who Cohen says decided not to pursue it he added he thought perhaps there's a p pedophile
ring in Las Vegas that is operating for these very wealthy men um and also uh I I think there at some point it was
not only could they get rid of the boy but they could find boys for him if he wanted them but when they say get rid of
the boy it almost sounds like they're I'm confused because my first thought is like or silence him kill the
boy silence the boy get rid of the boy but then the coner says we don't kill people it sounds like what do you do you
pay off the kid or something is that what he's hinting at maybe they get a lawyer involved and they sign an
agreement they pay them and then the boy can't bring charges I guess and but that
wouldn't stick because just cuz you got paid off from a lawsuit that's civil that's not criminal
so I don't know it's very weird story and I don't think it's that strange that the
FBI here's what the FBI did the FBI took the information then they go and then they tell going you know we don't know
if we're going to pursue it or not right right that's what they say on everything
right we'll take a look into it mhm whatever they gave him they're looking to I mean that's what that's what makes
the FBI so [ __ ] gangster as they just go yeah we're probably not going to pursue it and they probably got a bunch
of people now undercover in Vegas trying to crack this thing well that you're right gangster and what's cool about
that is that they don't really have a lot of people that they have to answer to a lot of organizations that they have
to answer to and then even the ones that they do have to answer to a lot of the stuff that they're doing is happening
under under the cloak of Darkness you know so to speak you know they we don't know everything that they're doing or
everything that they're not doing so um but that's what makes it so gangster like ah yeah we might not pursue this
and what would be great is if there is a ring out there if there is a group doing
this terrible stuff what would be great is I feel like if you got one of them and you got hardcore evidence on one of
them I don't think it'd be very until they start talking and you can easily grab effect yeah make make a big a big
arrest who we what's up with that and then you know what that would mean can I should say I don't know got him well
wasn't that me Sasha Sasha Baron Cohen would have solved a real crime yeah but Okay but well actually not him Gio
solved the right right Gio the Italian Playboy but just the about this for a second okay mhm just one little
second he gets this information because their character they think it's funny to
go extreme and say yes I I molested a 8-year-old boy MH so could you imagine here's what's funny about Sasha
is when he is on one of his characters hilarious but I've also seen him in interviews where he's super
serious mhm so he had to put on his super serious face go down to the FBI with the evidence and say oh yeah and by
the way the joke that started all this conversation was that I molested a 8-year-old boy but here's what you know
for sure is that he did not molest 8-year-old boy because if there was any skeletons in his closet they would have
dug him up he would have never gave this information to the bi yeah and he and and he wouldn't be um around in the
public to to have this article that came out but could you imagine like the FBI agent oh Sasha thank you and he said
what to him that you molested 8-year-old boy yeah can we turn on the cameras please
and and you and you and you thought this was funny right you think this is funny
Sasha no but I um I've always liked his work and and you got applaud a guy for at least trying to do what he thought
was the right thing M and that would again like I said it take a lot to come forward because you have to then start
with I made this joke that you're definitely not going to find funny right so Sasha the garage we salute you and
your effort to bring down evil cheers mate [Applause]

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Brief Summary

Nick discusses his role in the Lake Erie Murders documentary and the excitement over new Primus and WWE pinball machines.

Key points

Exciting New Pinball Machines. A bar owner announces the addition of new pinball machines, including WWE and Primus.
Unexpected TV Appearance. The host shares his surprise about being featured in a documentary series on Investigation Discovery.
The Reality of Solving Cases. Acknowledging the limitations in solving every case, but striving to shed light on them.
Excitement Over Documentary Involvement. The thrill of being featured in a documentary surpasses the filming experience.
Community Support in Tragedy. Mark Mahal's gratitude for the support system during difficult times is highlighted.
The Shocking Interview. Gio reveals a character's dark confession during an interview.

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Discussing favorite pinball machines at a bar.

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