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a missing person's mystery is a special breed of True Crime Story the lack of answers or closure for most of us is
enthralling but even if you fall into a different category and you find disappearing stories unappealing
the case we are discussing will change your mind this is a missing person's case so
perplexing and so unpredictable thousands around the world have been riveted by the inexplicable
disappearance of this young woman this is a case with far more questions than answers
a story in which no one is even sure when it began yet it is a tale Rife with Clues
Intrigue and evidence in many missing persons cases we discuss there is some foreshadowing in the
victim's life that something bad is going to happen maybe they were going through personal
turmoil or they were in abusive relationship maybe they were making questionable
choices or leading an unsafe lifestyle sometimes a person is unhappy and they choose to run away or maybe they spiral
into addiction or worse we're going to say this up front none of this was the case here with this
missing person's case this is true crime garage and this is the case of Jennifer Cassie
[Music] thank you foreign [Music] was born on May 20th 1981 to loving parents Drew and Joyce kessie she her
parents and her younger brother Logan were Incredibly Close Jennifer was born in New Jersey but the family moved to
Tampa Florida when she was a child as a kid Jennifer was always very responsible and well behaved she got
good grades had a ton of friends and she got along with her parents Jennifer truly was a golden child with blonde
hair big bluish green eyes she grew up to be five foot seven or five foot eight tall 130 pounds
she graduated high school and moved on to the University of Central Florida where she majored in finance after
switching from pre-med Jennifer worked hard and was serious about her schooling and ambitions when
she graduated in 2003 she had multiple job offers she accepted a job with CFI Westgate Resorts in Ocoee this is a
massive timeshare company where she had interned while in college she recently was promoted to manager of
process engineering at the age of 24. right she was the youngest employee to earn a promotion to management
she was working on streamlining a new Mortgage Debt system installed by the company
the CFI Westgate owner is David Siegel a somewhat showy I I have to laugh at my own words here a
very showy individual he's well known he's a multi-millionaire who built a house so large ninety thousand square
feet that it was featured in the documentary The Queen of Versailles which if you haven't seen that it is
total like guilty pleasure sit down eat popcorn drink beer watch that documentary Jennifer loved her job and
had good friends in the division of the huge company she worked in she was a creature of habit many people
would probably describe her as type A she was the kind of person who left for work at the same time every day who
planned her outfits in advance who had common sense and who was not afraid to stand up for herself and speak her mind
right although Jennifer was self-confident independent and didn't take crap from anyone she was also fun
Jennifer had a lot of friends both from childhood and her sorority in college all of whom describe her as a wonderful
person who was a great and loyal friend and who could be counted on she was obsessed with the New York
Giants and insisted on watching every game she loved the Dave Matthews Band shopping and the beach
Jennifer made an amazing mac and cheese and drank beer and loved to dress up and
go out at night but she was always in bed at a decent hour and at work on time the next day
Jen had a tiny tattoo of a shamrock on her left hip I found this interesting I have a couple friends like this
that have a lot of safety measures that they take some precautions that they take seems like Jennifer was really into
that yeah she has been described as very cautious and also aware of her surroundings she never walked alone at
night if she could help it always locked her car doors and carried pepper spray which was purchased for her and all of
her friends by her father Drew some of this is attributable to her parents who having been mugged at gunpoint years
earlier they were sure to teach their daughter about safety and awareness some of it
was because Jennifer was a big fan and watched a lot of Law and Order SVU which will if you watch enough of it will
scare the crap out of anybody Jennifer's mother even says that Jen knew to deliberately crash her car in
the event that she was carjacked to set off the airbags and have a chance to escape
she also knew that in the event she was ever placed in the car trunk that most trunks have internal latches or you can
kick out the tail lights to attract attention right up until November 2005 Jennifer lived
with her friend and roommate in Metro West it's a planned Community but her roommate was getting married so she
needed to move on right around Thanksgiving 2005 24 year old Jennifer purchased her first home for 207
thousand dollars this was a condo in a complex called Mosaic at Millennia right that was being converted from Apartments
to condos in the height of the Florida real estate bubble yeah but this area wasn't super great it was located by a
mall a new mall this is what I call when you have a an area that's trying to be a nicer area
and it's also kind of surrounded by poopy areas oh that's those are real estate terms yeah
poopy yeah you don't want to live here it's kind of boopy half of the complex was
still being constructed and the other half was being converted over from Apartments to updated condos now
Jennifer's unit number 2226 was in building 22. on the second of three floors Logan Cassie
described the Mosaic and Millennia as a literal construction zone this complex was located at
3573 Conroy Road and featured multiple buildings fronted on a very large pond and had an even larger wooded area
behind the complex Jennifer's parents helped her pick out the place it was right across the street
as the captain said from a fancy new shopping mall called The Mall at Millennia which featured retail shops
and eateries the newspapers at the time described the Mosaic at Millennia as quote upscale gated and fenced but it's
a fair statement to say that the area was just newly becoming nice and then it bordered on some areas that were not so
upscale yeah well it's also not gated at the time because there's so much construction going on
there are Gates they are not being closed or used properly and we'll get into that heavily later right some of
the neighboring areas have even been described as sketchy or poopy or poopy Mosaic and Millennia is your typical
pastel colored Florida stucco buildings with open-air hallways leading to the condos this was still a major
construction zone just like her brother described and this place was not close to maximum capacity news reports from
2006 indicate that only about 250 of close to 500 units were full and only one other condo on Jennifer's floor was
even occupied many of the condos were still being renovated and were empty and in fact it came out later that many of
the workers that were employed in the construction project were permitted to live or stay for a while in these empty
condos while they worked the job one well-known story is that Jennifer who had only been living in her new
condo for about three months when she vanished had told friends and family that while she loved her new place this
was a very nice condo by the way with a balcony overlooking a pond granite countertops and her own laundry room she
did not like the workers she told people that the Workman cat called at her and whistled when they saw her for anyone
especially a young woman living alone this is quite an uncomfortable situation her parents who lived about two hours
away encouraged her to report this Behavior to the manager's office but it does not seem that Jennifer ever did so
Jennifer refused to allow anyone into her condo when she was not home but when she first moved in her condo needed some
finishing touches like paint and plaster so she would come home from work on her
lunch break let the workers in and stand there with the door open to the hallway
on the phone with a friend or her parents while the men worked she always locked up after she left
there seems to be no way to track who all the workers were on site at the time some of them were undocumented workers
with no papers who were probably doing a lot of work under the table right there
were no surveillance cameras in place at the complex just yet well like you said
some of the workers were permitted to stay and the empty buildings correct but I guarantee you there was other workers
that were staying that weren't allowed or people didn't even know that they were stained who's to say that this
worker staying in a condo or in a unit couldn't have friends over or people that that worker knew right you know
staying for a weekend or a couple of days it's just there's a lot of things going on in this condo complex is what
we're trying to point out that there's no real checks and balances of these types of activities and movements and
there was also virtually no security at the armless gate when Jennifer lived at mosaic at Millennia The Unfinished work
in progress nature of the buildings meant that lots of workers gardeners maintenance workers and so on were
constantly coming and going no one kept track and according to the cusses when Jennifer disappeared and her story broke
all over the news many of the workers seemed to just disappear or evaporate they did not want to be under scrutiny
even if they were not involved in any way in her disappearance Jennifer had been dating someone for
about a year when she disappeared this was Rob Allen he's an English soccer player who lived in Fort Lauderdale
almost three hours away they had met at the tiki bar in downtown Orlando in 2005. Rob was eight years
older than Jennifer but the two seemed to be a good match since Jennifer was somewhat mature for her 24 years of age
they spoke multiple times every day and the two of them alternated trips to stay
with each other taking turns every weekend Rob figures heavily into this story Into
the story of Jennifer's disappearance since he was the last known person to speak with her Rob has grown very close
with the kessie family and remains so to this day well I'm back to your one point
it's really hard to have undocumented workers because we don't know what kind of criminal history that they have and
so in this case too we have the undocumented workers staying in the same complex as
the owners yeah and the other thing I want to point out too to top all of that off we have the
the false sense of security that some of the Optics provides for the condo owners
right there's they are sold that this place is gated and secure I'm here to tell you it's neither
and there seems to be no question of what happened to Jennifer Cassie in January of 2006. Jennifer was abducted
everyone including the Orlando Police Department agrees to this but the remaining questions surrounding her
disappearance is who took her how did they take her and even when did they take her all of this is unknown even to
this day let's go through the timeline of The Disappearance of Jennifer Cassie to
establish what we know and what we do not know on Wednesday January 18 2006. Jennifer drove from Orlando to her
boyfriend Rob Allens and Fort Lauderdale this was after work on Thursday January 19th the two of them
flew from Fort Lauderdale to Saint Croix for some r r they stayed in a condo there this is
with family friends of robs photos of the two show them doing the usual vacation type things they're at the pool
they're relaxing in the sunshine they were scheduled to fly back to Fort Lauderdale on Sunday but for whatever
reason their flight was canceled so after some scrambling around they managed to get a flight to Miami and
have a friend pick them up to make the 40-minute drive back to Rob's place Jennifer got up at 6am
on Monday and after Rob filled the gas tank her gas tank and her black Chevy Malibu for her she made the three-hour
Drive North all the way up to Orlando and went straight to work that day according to Jennifer's work colleagues
she had a normal day at work she raved about her trip and said she didn't want to leave around 6 PM she stopped in and
said good night to her boss this is John Willman she got in her car and drove the 12
miles home her car's transponder said that she went through the usual toll at 6 15 PM that day doing how many miles it
is from her boyfriend's house to her house it's a little over 200 miles now while she was in her car on her way
home from work she did call her parents Drew and Joyce to tell them about her trip
she also spoke with her brother Logan who was living with their parents at the time right Jennifer had given Logan a
set of keys to her condo he was just 21 at the time and Jen had given permission
for him to stay at her place while she was away this is with some of his buddies
with Logan at Jennifer's place that weekend was Travis borgonyan a long time family friend of the kessies and joining
the two of them was a guy named Matt this is Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Logan and Matt remained friends despite
Matt and Jennifer breaking up Matt didn't actually stay at Jen's condo he lived in Orlando so he's very close only
about 30 minutes away he just hung out there with the other two guys the family says that Matt took the
breakup with Jennifer very hard and he continued to pursue Jennifer for quite some time yeah it's not clear where
things stood in January of 2006 because we know that Jennifer had been dating Rob for
it seems like years or over a year and rumors are that Matt had moved on to a new girlfriend right on the phone with
Jennifer Logan told Jen that Travis his buddy had inadvertently left his work cell phone at her condo and he needed it
for work ASAP Jennifer agreed to find it at her place and she was going to FedEx it or UPS it
to Travis the next day the family is unequivocal about this Jennifer planned to bring Travis's cell
phone to her work with her on Tuesday and send it out at that time right again Jennifer's family says she was a
creature of habit so they can predict or they say they can predict what she did next
she arrived at home at the condos at Millennia and parked in her designated spot this is number
2226 the same as her condo unit that was very near the bottom of the stairwell that went up to the second
floor where her condo was it's literally a matter of maybe 30 feet to her spot from the stairs yeah it was
dark out when she arrived home she brought in her luggage from her trip which was later found still packed in
her condo she checked her mail which was also found in her condo at the main office on
her way in it isn't known whether she ate anything her parents say that there were no
takeout containers in the trash so perhaps she just ate something from the fridge which did have food in it right
and it likely changed into her sweats which she always wore at night went home then got on the phone yeah Jennifer's
going to get on the phone but her condo had notoriously bad cell phone service according to her parents the phone or
her cell phone only really worked and this would be sporadically when she was out on the balcony
so when at home Jennifer would usually use her landline the Orlando Police have all of her phone
records but have never released or discussed them in fact the Orlando Police Department has been incredibly
tight-lipped about this entire case releasing virtually no information this has resulted in a major legal dispute
now that night Jen spoke with her best friend from childhood this is Lauren McCarthy the two were as close as
sisters and shared everything Lauren told IDs disappeared that Jennifer told her on the phone that she
had a great time on her trip but that she and Rob were actually having some trouble mainly with the distance that
they live from one another the distance between was providing this trouble and neither one of them wanted to move to
correct this right this of course anybody's a problem yeah anybody that's been in a long distance relationship
understands that this is a very common situation Jennifer may have talked to other
friends that night but we don't know for sure as said they've not released the call records but we do know that Rob
told the police and Jen's family that the two of them had a phone conversation on Jen's landline as they did basically
every night this one was at 9 57 PM Jen told Rob that she was in bed when they spoke the
two argued on the phone a bit it isn't known exactly what they discussed but Lauren told Greta Van
cistern that Jen was quote feeling the distance end quote Rob and Jen wanted to be together but neither was willing to
commit to moving Rob later said that he wished that he had told Jennifer he loved her in the
year that they were dating since he hadn't it's possible that she was questioning his commitment and it
sparked an argument in any event Rob was the last known person to speak with Jennifer and this is the last of the
concrete facts for that night again this call this conversation ends around 9 57
pm foreign [Music] [Music] we are back cheers mates cheers now the next morning Tuesday January 24th 2006.
Jennifer had an important meeting at work this was scheduled for 11 A.M her typical routine was to leave for work
between 7 30 and 7 45. she may have left early on that morning if she intended to stop at a FedEx to
send off Travis's phone but it is more likely that she intended to do as she said and make use of the FedEx services
at work Rob and Jennifer always spoke by phone in the mornings when they were apart
Jennifer would call him from the phone on her way to the office here's what Rob told Nancy Grace quote
every day she would either call me just to say good morning have a great day or just text me to wish me to you know have
a good day love you that type of thing and when I didn't receive it Tuesday morning I thought it was odd end quote
Rob chocked Jen's being M.I.A up to being busy just getting back into the swing of things after this short little
vacation right but after a while he called her cell this was before his 9 A.M meeting at
work and he got her voicemail he tried again a little later but got the same result
Jennifer didn't show up for her 11 A.M meeting Not only was this totally out of character it was completely unheard of
Jennifer was known for her punctuality and if she had planned on missing work at all she would have called in to say
so after calling her cell phone and repeatedly getting her voicemail her boss John Willman had the IT department
check her computer calendar and it showed that she knew about the meeting that day and had planned on attending
it was so unusual for her to be absent without any explanation at all right that her boss ended up calling
Jennifer's parents and sometimes in cases we see that people not taking action right away and he gotta applaud
her boss for doing so I I do applaud her boss for doing so but I do want to point out it seems to me
like look with with these very popular cases the ones that are more well known right you know there's hundreds of
thousands of eyes and ears on these things I've noticed though it seems like the employers or whoever notifies
whomever or does not notify anyone they're like vilified either way right because I've seen especially in this
case where they're like well after only a few hours why are they reaching out to
her parents um they saying that it seems unusual no and I feel like look we you and I and
all these other people that are questioning this Behavior they do not know Jennifer kessie they do not know
the relationship between her and her employer and the people she worked with the co-workers we don't know that we're
going off of reports so I bring that up only because I don't find it to be strange
and I think that it might given this situation and what we're told about Jennifer and about this
company and her co-workers it might be more strange that they didn't call anybody and and keep in mind this is
after repeated attempts of trying to reach Jennifer herself right and I think if I was working with people in general
and opposed to animals as opposed to you you feel the animal or even you know if
we're supposed to get together to record in the garage and you didn't show up and you didn't call
and then I called you and it went right to voicemail multiple times I tried to get hold of somebody in your family well
some Reports say that this call to the parents was either because Joyce kessie was listed as Jen's
emergency contact and some say it was because John Willman was a friend of Drew kessie's either way
Jennifer's parents were notified that she had not shown up for work or for this meeting right and this was reason
enough for them to go into panic mode Joyce Cassie was at a Kinkos at the time copying materials for her work
presentation that day when she got the call she walked out immediately leaving everything behind to be shredded
Jennifer's parents called both her cell phone and her home phone and of course we know that they're receiving no
answers her cell phone went directly to voicemail Drew Cassie told Nancy Grace that this was the first time in eight
years that Jen had a cell phone that she did not answer his call right Drew was stuck at home waiting for Travis to get
back from the gym with Drew's car Travis hadn't taken his phone and Drew didn't know the name of the gym
so Drew made some phone calls first to the Orlando Police Department then to the property manager at mosaic
at Millennia the property manager reported that Jennifer's car was not in its parking spot
at the kessie's request he knocked on Jen's door and then opened it and looked around and said he didn't see anything
unusual when he reported this the kessies became very alarmed Drew and Joyce and Logan
and their friend Travis in two separate cars set out for Orlando which would be a two-hour Drive
on the way Joyce called Rob and some of Jennifer's friends who had not heard from her either and she also called
hospitals in the area thinking perhaps Jennifer was in an accident well think about what her brother's going through
at this moment too you're really close with your sister and your dad is saying hey look we're going to be taking a
drive because your sister's missing that'd be frightening stuff right and he had just stayed there at her place that
weekend right Travis and Logan arrived at mosaic at Millennia around 3 P.M and the Cassie's arrived around 3 15. Rob
also arrived on the scene they convened in Jennifer's condo where this is what they found
okay they found the door was locked when they arrived it was also reported to be
locked when the complex manager checked on it right from what I can gather one needs a key to lock the door from the
outside so either Jen locked it or someone used her key to do so right but just to be clear I'm assuming her
parents had a key I don't know if her parents had a key I think they may have but we do know that
Logan had a key because he stayed there that last weekend the lights were off Jennifer's bed was unmade now laid out
on the bed were two work outfits in the tan and black color scheme her new Nine West alligator pumps were
missing this is interesting and this is this could be key here this is a pair of shoes that her mother
was well aware of these are shoes that they had discussed on the phone many times remember Joyce and Jennifer have a
daily phone call her luggage from her trip was still in the hallway remember it's still packed
at this time she had not unpacked her luggage from that short weekend trip her mail was on the counter and some of
the junk mail was in the trash which was otherwise empty other than this junk mail
there was no evidence that Jen had ate anything for dinner was not obvious that that took place but we would later learn
that she had not used her credit or debit cards and there were no containers or dishes lying about
the clothes she wore to work on Monday were hanging over the back of a chair her t-shirt and underwear which
her family says she normally wore this type of thing to bed they were on the bathroom floor and our
contact case was empty and they found her glasses I'm assuming on the bathroom counter yes they were in the bathroom
sink counter in the contact lenses case was found to be empty her makeup and hair dryer were on the bathroom sink as
well and you know it's thought that where these items were left that someone had
possibly recently used them or used them that morning in the shower there were still puddles
of water this is in the corner shelf areas surrounding the shampoo and cleanser bottles there was a damp towel
draped over the washing machine in the laundry room a portable can of pepper spray was on the kitchen counter
remember we discussed earlier that she carried pepper spray on her keychain this was purchased for her by her father
but he is guessing that Jennifer had to leave it at home since she could not bring it on the airplane on the flight
to Saint Croix right that would make sense take it off the keychain and for whatever reason it's still sitting there
which is it's got to be driving the parents nuts she's missing they're checking out her apartment pepper spray
on the countertop the evidence we have right now you can go well she she talked to her boyfriend at night she probably
slept in her bed it seems like then she woke up she got ready for work we have the puddles in the shower got the wet
towel it seems as if everything would add up that she left the apartment my mind would immediately
go to and this makes sense as to why Joyce called the the area hospitals with her car not being there and the
appearance that she got ready for work and probably kept to her routine my mind would immediately go to either we're
just missing something here and she arrived incredibly late at work for some reason or she was involved in a vehicle
accident on her way to work and we can't find her or get a hold of her that's where my mind would go to in
that that instance well again this is why I think people need to jump into action because let's say it was some
thing where Jennifer was going to work and her her phone was messed up and she decided to stop and get a new phone
before she got to work and she was running late so she couldn't call um because let's say the phone stopped
working on the way to work or whatever that eventually you're going to find her safe and you're going to go well maybe
we overreacted but it's better than to under act right right exactly well the there was a bottle of rum that
apparently Jennifer told her father she had purchased for him in Saint Croix they find this daughter on the counter
and the condo directly across from Jennifer's was found to be unlocked Logan her brother found this and went
inside and he said that it was empty and found that the condo unit had no carpeting according to her parents Drew
and Joyce Jennifer was a morning shower person she always showered before work and never showered in the evening so
after seeing what we just said they observed in the condo they came to the conclusion that Jennifer probably woke
up for work on the morning of the 24th showered as usual got ready for work we talk about what was there at the condo
what they found in the condo but let's talk about what was missing because what's missing from the condo clinched
this belief for them that she got up performed her normal morning routine and then something happened
here's what was missing Travis's Nextel cell phone which Jennifer had told Logan
she would FedEx from work the next day Jennifer's cell phone this is a Verizon LG flip phone Jennifer's purse which
included her driver's license her iPod which apparently she took this with her everywhere
her car keys their car keys are on the same ring as her house key and her mail key
Jennifer's briefcase was also missing which is often left in her car or even in her car trunk sometimes overnight
this is according to her friends and her car is missing this is a Chevy Malibu right and I would bet that
everyone is kind of thinking the same thing here everything that was missing Jennifer would have taken with her to
work that day but as we know she never made it there so what the hell happened yeah what happened and when did it
happen yeah and that's really a big piece of this case I believe it's I mean it's a huge missing puzzle piece really
what we have here Captain is we have a 9 57 PM phone call that ends and we have an 11 A.M meeting that she
was scheduled to attend that meeting seems to set off all these alarm bells that she is not where she is supposed to
be right and that there's something going on so that gives us a 13-hour window of time when something went wrong
now right but we can start assuming with the evidence that she slept in our bed and she woke up at some point and she
was heading to work possibly the other thing you can do here is instead of working with the 13-hour window of time
we can assume that maybe we could minus three hours or so off of that because her regular time to arrive at
work would be roughly 8 A.M right so you know now we're working with a 10 hour window and yeah but don't you think the
evidence and her condo suggests that she one slept there and then two got ready for work
yes I lean I certainly lean that way there are plenty of people that make good strong Arguments for something
could have happened late that night and I think it's worth examining but I'm with you I feel like the evidence that
we see points to everything was normal up until the time she was supposed to leave for work or just before yeah and I
think maybe he it's a I don't know if they did this but clean just test the towel and if it's her DNA then
you would start assuming again that she took a shower in the morning and not at at 10 pm I can say that was not done
right so we just don't know now is probably a good time to discuss Jennifer's parents Drew and Joyce Cassie
it's safe to say they were not the typical powerless family members of victims that sometimes we see in these
cases who have no choice but to put their faith in law enforcement and wait patiently for answers as far as the
Cassis are concerned Jennifer's disappearance understandably so was an unmitigated disaster and they
were not going to take it lying down they immediately became activists outspoken Advocates outspoken advocates
for their daughter's case as Drew told a CNN reporter in 2009 quote we both had big mouths
we know how to use them and we will do everything within our power to give her the best chance of being found
Drew and Joyce are both smart articulate motivated and in Drew's case somewhat intense people
being realistic about why people abduct women Drew said they abduct them to rape
them and kill them they sprang into action immediately yeah I mean one of these one of the things I heard him say
was they don't kidnap out a female to just put her in the corner and look at her yeah
yeah but at least he's being real at least he's being honest and I think that's also a cry out to the public if
somebody took her the chances are the the reasons they took her for very bad reasons yeah and that's and this needs
to be some this needs to be important right and it's in it's important that he remind the public of
what the likely actions were by the offender because somebody may have knowledge there's just no victim's name
attached to that knowledge sometimes people brag or tell stories and they tell of their actions but they
don't say who they did that to right and this is a case where we need help from the public
the Cassis immediately dropped everything in their lives this is an interesting move but I think it shows
the level of their commitment to finding their daughter finding out what happened
to their daughter and their intelligence as well they moved into Jennifer's condo they
actually lived there full time for several months while they pushed law enforcement to find their girl this is
good for many reasons I really believe that the the condo complex is at the center of this whole case
so if there was any knowledge to learn about that Kano complex or who may be going in and out of there one could gain
that knowledge by living there by being there after hours being there on the weekends so on and so forth but on top
of that they live in Tampa it's going to be a mess to try to keep law enforcement
on top of their daughter's case and be two hours away from 2006 until the present day they
have been constant a constant thorn in the side of the Orlando Police Department
they hired private investigators they put flyers everywhere they held press conferences they got Jennifer's face on
the sides of buses in Orlando they handed out playing cards with Jennifer's face to prisoners to try to
drum up tips and I wasn't just her face they ended up taking a a bunch of different missing people and putting
them on the cards that shows the level of their just the goodness in their hearts well
yeah they're trying to help their daughter's case and other missing persons cases right but also the
sophistication that their brains can think hey we we have heard that sometimes by this is a tactic that
people use and then why prisoners are playing with the cards somebody comes out and says hey I know this person
Drew even got miked up and went into death row to meet with a prisoner who claimed he had information
sadly it turns out this was just a hoax was this the guy that um he he was on death row but he claimed to
know things about a lot of different cases and and I think this is the guy that they said if he brings up
whoever that you'll know right away that it's the whole story is [ __ ] she had nothing to do with it but again put your
brain into the the mind of the the father you have this beautiful daughter she's gone missing
you have no answers hey there's this guy on death row he might know something you
know this guy is a bad mama jama right and you have to get miked up and go into a room with them
and then knowing if he brings up so and so that the whole story is [ __ ] and so
you're hopeful that you get some kind of information or some kind of lead and you're sitting across the table from
this creepo and then he brings up that name and then it'd be I want to talk about roller
coaster of emotions the whole time and it's been going on for many years they set up a Facebook page or Facebook
pages and established the Jennifer cassie.com website which is still very active today if anybody wants to look
that up it's it's Jennifer j-e-n-n-i-f-e-r Cassie is k-e-s-s-e.com they contacted every Consulate in the
United Nations as a result Jen is listed as missing on Interpol and VI cap the Cassie's documented everything they
came across in their search for their daughter and they participated in countless tv specials news stories and
podcasts to raise awareness of their daughter's disappearance eventually the Cassis would be forced to sue the
Orlando Police Department before we get too far along Captain I want to make sure that we do our due
diligence here we have to give credit for much of the information the good information anyway in this case this is
due to some of the sources we have already mentioned but a big garage cheers has to go out to the podcast
unconcluded so to Sean and Scott over at unconcluded cheers mates we have relied
heavily on the unconcluded podcast and the help find Jennifer kessie Facebook page which discusses the case and
maintains a database of timelines and facts of course we recommend both by late afternoon on the day that
Jennifer was discovered to be missing the Cassis had already printed off hundreds of Flyers with Jennifer's
picture and a photo of her car and the license plate number they rob Lauren and 12 of gen sorority sisters stood on
street corners near her condo and handed out these flyers to rush hour drivers they also posted Flyers all over the
area including at her condo complex the Cassis of course had called the Orlando Police and they met with detectives
gauze and Wright at the condo that evening along with Rob Travis and Logan I do want to point out here though that
detective Wright was almost immediately replaced by detective Browning So for anybody looking into
this case just be aware of that Drew and Joyce were not really impressed by the detectives and with this meeting
although they took the report the missing persons report and said they would look into the case true and Joyce
said that the Orlando Police Department's opinion was that Jennifer simply took off after a fight with her
boyfriend and eventually she would turn up yeah that's what we're told almost every time right Captain yeah it's a
bunch of lazy people so of course the Cassie's flat out refused to believe this they were
and sensed at the implications there was no way that Jennifer had left she loved her life Drew and Joyce vowed
to find their daughter no matter what it took but there was very little to go on
the Orlando Police Department issued a be on the lookout for Jennifer and her vehicle this went out around 9pm that
evening the Orlando Police spent 13 years investigating Jennifer's case and Captain you are more than well aware of
this because of your work on the Tyler Davis case but I found this to be just an interesting little stat over 3 000
missing persons reports are filed annually in Orange County Florida during that time the detectives
initially assigned to the case retired a year into the investigation and new detectives came and took over the
investigation they too left and new ones were assigned this is a 13-year old investigation I'm
Not faulting Orlando Police Department for assigning new detectives we when we have people retire that's what has to
happen it's a 13-year investigation right you can't force them to stay on the force
so a lot of work was done I was just going to say there's a episode that disappeared it's called Girl Interrupted
it aired in 2016. um and they had some detectives I I don't know which detectives they were
right but they had some detectives on that show talking about the case again they they make the claim hey well we
know that she got an argument with the boyfriend so maybe she just took off very unimpressed with these detectives
the thing here is to with the switching of detectives so the new detectives are only left with what
the old ones provide them with right and there was a lot of work done in this case and the files
number tens of thousands of pages one thing that was obvious to be a problem and extremely unfortunate was
that the original detectives were old school they didn't use computers they didn't really even take any notes
so when they were retiring and moving on put out the pasture uh and the new detectives come in they're left with
with almost nothing and I think that they were that the original detectives were forced or at least asked and did so
like write down everything you can remember about the case before you you're you're done and you're out of
here right that's awesome right right that basically says yeah we know your daughter went missing but we don't give
a [ __ ] I'll tell you what man I cannot tell you I don't watch the show anymore
but remember the like the first 48 and then there's I think there's another show that's the 72 hours whatever anyway
I'm talking about these these cases where you you can watch a unit homicide detective robbery
detective whomever and they're interviewing people and they're I cannot tell you how many times
that I've seen what I call like old school detective work work in a case and I love it like that's one of my favorite
things these are guys and and women that are interviewing people and taking down
notes they're writing things down even [ __ ] that doesn't seem important at the
time they write it down and multiple times there's something that happens a week later or some
vehicle is spotted elsewhere a week later and they can flip back through their notes and go oh yeah I remember I
thought I remembered something like that I wrote down a blue Lincoln was spotted
here and then all of a sudden now they've got the lead that they needed so I get that not everybody was raised
around computers and to use them I don't understand the fact that they it's been reported that these guys
didn't even take notes that seems to me to be the most basic and simplistic portion of detective work and and
recording your work along the way yeah you wonder if that's [ __ ] or if they took some notes and and the department
can't find them I mean you start by the obvious we have this girl that went missing let's try to figure out did she
stay there that night roughly what time do we think this happened is there any eyewitness that saw her car there at
night start there now we go to the boyfriend now we go to the ex-boyfriend now we go to anybody else that maybe she
had any romantic ties to now let's go to the family and and at the same time then
you go to Every staff member and that condo complex and then you go to the different staff members of the
construction but that lie is a big problem when you don't have a list of those workers
now you have any of those workers plus any of their immediate contacts that possibly worked
with them at some point so now the poll is becoming so big to try to investigate
well and anyone that's experienced one of these renovation the large-scale renovations or construction projects on
on housing sites and residential areas and even in commercial areas understands that it's not as easy as
just going to one big company and going give me a list of all the workers that are working on this property it doesn't
work that way because there's multiple multiple companies some of them big some of them small some of them one-man
owner-operated operations properties so right right because they can be difficult right because they could hire
one contractor that is only there to do tile on contractor that's only there to do drywall the problem is when you're
able to contact that contractor and they're not going to give you the proper names of the people that work for them
because they're undocumented that becomes an issue that becomes a safety issue for others
and and that's where yeah maybe I cannot be so impressed with these detectives from this TV series or maybe not
impressed with some of the rumors that I heard but the stacks you know but the cards are stacked up against these
detectives anyways especially the newer ones because they're left with very little
information from the original detective detective so for whatever reason or however you want to slice it
foreign much about the early months of this investigation is lost or unknown there
is virtually nothing in the case File from the first 16 months of the investigation we do know that the
following was done or was not done by the Orlando Police Department Jennifer's condo was never processed the
handrails on the two sets of stairs leading from Jennifer's floor the second floor to street level were not dusted
for prints Jennifer's credit cards were checked there was no activity after the Abduction the Orlando Police Department
has never commented on her bank records or phone records the Orlando PD checked close circuit TV and traffic cameras
near all relevant locations Jen's condo did not have surveillance cameras at that time the Orlando Police Department
checked pawn shops in the area they also took Jennifer's laptop into evidence the
police visited Jennifer's workplace about a week after she went missing and did some cursory interviews with her
colleagues and took her work computer into evidence as well the Orlando Police ordered a ping study
to try to see where Jennifer's cell phone was on January 23rd and 24th the discussion of the pings and Jennifer's
phone is probably one of the most debated and confusing pieces about Jennifer's case
Drew kessie addressed the pings in the in an episode on unconcluded and in one entry in the guest book on the Family's
website as well and we will revisit this issue further a little later for now remember the
kessies said that Jennifer had terrible cell service in her condo in addition they have said that one of the cell
towers near the Mosaic at Millennia was damaged or down at the time implying that Jen's phone had to Ping off a
further away Tower when the Orlando Police Department looked at 11 pings related to Jennifer's
phone according to Drew and Joyce the police believed that Jennifer was out and about late on the night of Monday
the 23rd moving away from her condo after her 9 57 PM conversation with Rob further they believed that she had gone
to a shady area of town it's not known where this was the kessis absolutely denied that there was any way Jennifer
would go out that late on a work night after getting up at 5am that day and they said once she was in for the
night and in her sweats and glasses she would never have redressed and gone back
out the Orlando Police Department detectives said to the kessies quote you don't know your daughter as well as you
think you do one more thing that the Orlando Police Department seems to have told the
kessies was that both Jennifer's phone and Travis's phone were powered off at some point that night around 10 40 PM
but the Cassies knew that Jennifer used her phone as an alarm clock and didn't turn it off that night
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Brief Summary

Jennifer Kessie's mysterious disappearance in 2006 remains unsolved, with her family actively seeking answers and justice.

Key points

The Case of Jennifer Cassie. A perplexing missing person's case that has captivated many.
Jennifer's Background. Jennifer was a responsible and ambitious young woman with a bright future.
Rob's Regret. Rob Allen reflects on his relationship with Jennifer and his missed opportunities.
Jennifer's Uncharacteristic Silence. Rob notes that Jennifer didn't call him on Tuesday morning, which was unusual for her.
Parents Notified of Jennifer's Absence. Jennifer's boss contacts her parents after she misses an important meeting, raising alarms.
The Search Begins. Jennifer's parents and friends start searching for her after realizing she is missing.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is a case with far more questions than answers.

Describing the perplexity of Jennifer's disappearance

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Tension

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