The Horrific Murder of Marina Calabro - with Jonathan Van Ness | Morbid | Forensic Files

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you know we're in that consistency train and we want to stay on that and yeah I think this is going to work for
everybody it just feels better we don't want that big chunk of time between episodes you don't either
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realize that I won't even hear you but it feels like I will and you will hear me so we're all in this together we're
best friends thanks guys Mondays Thursdays oh my [ __ ] god Jonathan Van Ness was
on the show today people guys this was such a fun episode I'm still what's the word reeling really really and Jonathan
Van Ness is a sweetheart we love them we adore them we from my dreams truly this was amazing such a delight
um we had a lot of fun we were laughing we were joking about a lot of stuff but we also had a really gnarly True Crime
case uh pushed in there somewhere but I just want to let you guys know we have a
lot of chit chat we talk about Vanderpump Rules oh I had to fill jv on the T but don't worry I feel like me and
you are gonna have a more detailed discussion next time yeah I think we are we can't get over this vendor this the
scand of all of it all Scandal but yeah this was a lot of fun this was definitely
um definitely a chit chatty episode but I promise you guys there's a very very very intense True Crime case thrown in
there as well yes and the reason why um we picked this specific case is because it was in Quincy and Jonathan is from
Quincy so we were thinking like oh let's tell him about our Quincy because he's from Quincy Illinois we did a Quincy
Massachusetts okay see what we did there do you see what we did see what we did there but I mean without further Ado
here it is oh I died hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and I'm Jonathan Van Ness
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eye which is also on Netflix and if like every other human project that you could
ever take on um as a human like you learn to be a gymnast you are a stand-up comedian you're a hairdresser you're a
beautiful soul you're also from our dreams welcome to the show I'm also I'm also someone who's gonna have to go
clean up the pile of [ __ ] that they just shot in their pants like just like top like my Spotify I'm
like top point zero zero one percent morbid like super I'm literally like I love you guys so much I love you so much
I feel like this is a dream I feel like we're all in have you ever seen well do you watch SpongeBob
I'm sorry I'm like our social vernacular is like we have more separation than what I was we do anticipating it's
making me love you more okay it's making me love you more okay yeah you have so many things to show me you know but
there's an episode of SpongeBob where they all enter each other's dreams and that's what's happening right now right
here today this is also what happens every time you mention SpongeBob to me I'm like I don't know what that is I'm a
youth but it's fun to learn yeah you know yeah yeah because you watch like Bob's
Burgers or Family Guy or South Park I watch Bob's Burgers sometimes love love those are my three
adult cartoons and we were a Family Guy house you were a Family Guy obviously I've seen I've seen Family Guy yeah but
like I told you earlier I only watch Bravo um Bravo I like that I like that you're clear on what you want yeah yes
yes I know exactly if you don't want there's a giant Scandal happening right now a huge the Bravo I do want to know
about that so it's like but it's like it's straight people cheating on each other right yes well no because Ariana's
not straight oh yeah yeah that's true and I'm not quite sure actually it's Tom Sandoval but she didn't do anything she
didn't do anything she's an innocent bystander she is but it was like this hat cheating as far as like yeah yeah a
man cheated on a woman with another woman exactly yep and it has like no headlines that really are pulling me
like she had cheated on him with another woman I if you give me a lesbian if you
give me some buy if you give me some nonsense I'm like what's up but yeah or a group would tell me so okay those
people it's a lot it's a lot of history so Tom and Ariana got together back in like what 20 nine years ago yeah nine
years ago they've been together for nine years they literally have a house together essentially common law married
right that takes up what seven years yeah I mean they're for all intents and purposes together so then this girl
Raquel joins the show fun fact name is not even Raquel found out recently on The Tick Tock that her name is Rachel so
we're not calling her Raquel anymore we're calling her Rachel because she's a dirty gal and she has exactly but she
has been carrying on a relationship with Tom Sandoval who has been with Ariana Maddox I don't know if it's Ariana or
Ariana because they interchangeably use it they do but we love her regardless I [ __ ] team Ariana all the way but he
has been carrying on a relationship like like behind closed doors with Raquel for
seven months at least I also just found out today on good authority that they spent Christmas together
so it's not good Ariana is sitting at Tom's show last Wednesday night because he also has a cover band called Tom and
the most extras or something like yeah he is extra and his phone slips out of his pocket
she grabs it off stage so he doesn't step on it what a kind soul Ariana is she's scrolling through the phone and
she finds an inappropriate video of Raquel and then discovers the whole seven months all the receipts all of them and
it was at the same time that Raquel was on Watch What Happens live with Andy Cohen in New York alongside at the same
time who has also been uh on Vanderpump Rules forever and we do not condone violence on this podcast no
allegedly um no I'm just kidding so Sheena is Ariana's best friend but has also been
friends with Raquel because she doesn't know what a dirty girl she is so they're
out and about and then Ariana calls Sheena her best friend and is like Sheena like are you with Raquel I need
to talk to her because um what the [ __ ] is going on so Sheena finds out and then
allegedly she throws Raquel's phone into the street throws Raquel up against a brick wall punches her in the face
and then the rest after they left Watch What Happens Live yeah they were at like
a bar or something I okay having done Watch What Happens Live a few times like I know exactly where that is in this
city I could just like Envision like coming out of those doors and they get in their car and not like oh my God all
of that ensues sidebar my friend um went to what's that restaurant that they film at sir sir
okay Tom Tom so my friend my one of my very best friends as all this drama was happening was like got reservations at
Tom Tom with their friends to see if anything would go down and but my friend doesn't know anything she's like me she
just wanted to go to dinner with her friends but the friends were like you have to get like camera ready because
like [ __ ] won't go down so then she got there and [ __ ] did go down and um it
makes me want to ask her like what she saw oh God be like what went down do you know was that the night that Tom and the
most extras still had to perform and then everybody started chanting cheater cheater Ariana at him and then he leaned
into the mic and said we love her we're calling a friend on my plane let's see let's see really quick let me
just I got it let's just see I love it yeah um do you consent to being on a like one
of the Nations to the leading podcasts about murder but they're also very it turns out that they're like huge
problems and we can bleep out your name and just have like you know word of a friend is but when you
what happened when you went to that restaurant the other night and they were filming all that drama about that man
oh well these aren't really filming it I don't think I don't know that Tom was sitting out one of the toms I don't know
them and he was like sitting outside like all kind of like upset you know and um
looking wounded and then a couple another cast person I don't know who they are we're with them and then
they're like oh my God because as we were walking in my friends were telling me about it
can you give us any more what did the other classmate look like darling and I was like what and they're like you
don't understand what happened but I I can talk to and get the full story and the names of that can you please text me
the full story and in the next 20 minutes please that's terrible thanks very anti-final attack
get the story goodbye terrible because if Tom was looking wounded so there's two Toms There's Tom Sandoval
and then there's Tom Schwartz Tom Sandoval is the piece of [ __ ] but fun fact that I didn't tell you in the
middle of all of this right now the season of Vanderpump Rules is airing and everybody tried to make us think that
Tom Schwartz and Raquel Rachel were hooking up because we think that Tom Schwartz was covering for Tom Sandoval
and Tom Schwartz was married to another cast members remember and they are in the middle of a divorce
so it was like big deal even for that but then when it turned into Tom Sandoval it's like well he's currently
in a relationship so Rachel has now like I don't even like what's the word like defied two of her friends yeah and
Ariana was like her best friend one of her best friends okay wait wait wait wait wait listener tail on the Fly are
you ready yes always okay I have this friend and um yeah uh someone from my friends
family okay four siblings right four siblings okay four brothers and sisters okay I'm so excited for where this is
going there's a brother and sister okay brother sister excited maybe not no it's
not it's not giving Game of Thrones it's giving it's giving interest it's giving
Scandal oh brother sister they're both married okay brother and sister are married to their own Partners okay
sister's got a husband brother's got a wife uh-oh sister's husband brother's wife
start having an affair and you think that's not gonna come up at the dinner table
so then they leave their partners because the affair gets brought to light and they go on to let
Charlie have kids and they're still married it's the only example of a relationship
started out of like a full adulterous Affair where they didn't end up so it's like the whole thing of like oh don't
start your relationship in affair because it won't work out you lose them it's always not true like sometimes
people do have horrific Affairs and then they do end up together it's true wow other example
I divorced last year I was gonna say because maybe it just takes a lot how long have the other two like been
together and like having the kids and all since like 94. what a very long time in my whole life damn very long time
that's literally longer than you've been a lot it's two years longer than I spent
alive holy [ __ ] so you were born in 92 96 96. wait oh my God 96 I know I cannot
handle so you don't even [ __ ] know about the Magnificent Seven in Atlanta you didn't [ __ ] know about the
Atlanta [ __ ] games the first time that a women's United States gymnastics team won a gold medal and an uncontested
games were you so busy watching Bravo your whole life that you never even got into the Olympics not once no I've been
into the Olympics before okay thank God actually we were at one of your shows in
Boston when you were doing the Olympics and like doing all the flips and everything and you said that like a
little bit of that whole speech about the seven and I looked at her and I said what is he talking about
because I did can you add to your list of things that I would love for you to watch Sister Act One and Two
um and The Last of Us is really good and you should get into it I think that people would really appreciate it in
your life because it's it's just really good and it's like way better than other
apocalyptic shows like it's so good like it literally is I would probably do anything you told me to do
but I'm not sure let me try reverse.com let me try a different angle with you okay okay it's not that it's not that
good like it's not that good yeah don't watch it don't watch it I don't even know people Everyone no everyone is like
has like bad taste and you should follow your it's like not worth it and it's bad
okay resounding bad no that's actually terrible that's good that you did that because I'm a Gemini so I do always do
this of what people tell me to do yes like seriously like this worst yeah you'll hate it down you know what it's
not for you okay wait what's the last thing and then the last thing was what were we just talking about Magnificent
Seven oh yeah could you please watch on YouTube you can usually find like an Olympic final like if you could just
watch like the women's Olympic Team final you will see Carrie's drug and her whole iconic moment the ankle which is
such oh my God it is it is the it is probably one of the most iconic Olympic moments in history
[ __ ] Amanda Borden [ __ ] JC Phelps [ __ ] Amy Chow Carrie strugg this team is just iconic it's static so amazing it
is a stack who did you think I knew I didn't hear somebody does awesome Dawson she just I'm sorry I
didn't mean to yell at you I feel like you literally picked the spit out of your eyes from which I like projectile
through our zooms because I was so intense you got into Olympics this time around
though because the girls were super early gymnastics like we now have all kinds of books
about you know Simone biles they have Simone biles jackets now that they wear to school for them and see that they're
Simone biles I support the Olympics I love that I just feel like they're just getting in gymnastics a lot um
and I wanted to actually be a gymnastics girly but my mom said we're broke so we
couldn't do that it's very it's very that part is very hideous and unfair I know especially figure skating it's so
expensive and geographically prohibitive yeah believe me well I often like to say to
my mom that like most of my therapy has been like working through the resentment
that she didn't ride my back to St Louis like to the nearest figure skating rink
so that like I could have taken us to the Olympics like she could have been my mama jar
she would have just done that if she would have just done it but then we wouldn't have gotten queer eye like the
revamp so you would have gotten and I could have been an Olympic probably it would have had to have an ice dancer I
think I could have but then I would have had to have like given Straight Energy or at least like convincing like mask
and I don't know we wouldn't want that no yeah I was like born in the wrong everything
I meant to be a lady figure skater I feel like I could have done it yeah it was like next time no my next
life I'm gonna be like Michelle Kwan oh I love it that era was such an era like I
remember watching her on TV me too I remember like the Nancy Kerrigan of it all are you well yeah I guess she was yes
she won her last Michelle won her last World medal which was bronze in o4 so you would have been
seven by then so I believe I believe nine nine 2004 I was graduating high school so that's that's actually how me
to know how old I was gonna be yes wait are you guys see exactly me are we I think we are you graduated because you
were born in 85. it should have been five but I graduated early so I graduated I was born in like 87. see I
was born basically in 86 I'm December 28th yeah of 1985 so like me plus you you're one and a half and
you're the sprinkle Oh either on top yes we make a snap pea together oh I love that we do love snacks literally
remember what a random lady on your street gave us snappies and we ate them with no questions she said I grew these
in my garden and we said okay and then later we were like what yeah we talked about it we did that night we were like
oh my God you're like you feel funny I feel fine do you feel fine we felt fine she really grew him in her garden they
were good I love local produce yeah it says no to local produce exactly and she had them in a little basket that seemed
legit it seemed so it seemed like a farmer basket yeah she was great get on her list again
this year right right I think we just like ran into her she's just walking her dog and we were just walking your kids
yeah yeah I didn't give my kids the snap peas you didn't no I didn't do that how
can you take a ladies yeah that's a really sweet story right pretty wholesome you know just eating
lots of produce I'm saying is there anything else we want to well we should chat about all
the happiest things in the world because my story is not wholesome no it's not happy
I want to hear it this story is sad it's really sad and um if you have a grandma that you love and you don't want
to hear about an older person being murdered then you should not listen to this but if you're Elena or jvn you
don't have a choice so so it all started on December 19th 2001. Anthony Calabro Calabro returned home to the house that
he shared with his great aunt Marina in Quincy of course Marina from Quincy rest
in peace Marina from Quincy oh because when he walked in he found his aunt dead at the bottom of a flight of stairs
now initially the authorities believed that the 84 year old had slipped and Fallen to her death because obviously
that's a pretty rational thought to have sadly a lot of older people living by themselves can fall and hurt themselves
and you know worse things can happen but just 10 months later the authorities came to a very different conclusion the
scene had been staged and Marina had been placed at the bottom of the stairs to make it seem like her death was an
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foreign scary I hate this already yeah it's pretty rough so in time detectives came
to realize that her death had actually been orchestrated by her 19 year old great nephew Anthony with the help of
his two teenage friends he killed Marina and they staged a cover-up in order to inherit the money that she was gonna
leave him in her will because [ __ ] bags always it's always about money in the will always
so the murder obviously completely shocked the residents of Quincy and it left so many people wondering how three
teenagers could brutally kill an 84 year old woman in Cold Blood like this that's
what always amazes me is when these people can get in a group like you can get more than one person that's like
let's murder this 84 year old woman and they're like yeah that's a great idea like how do you get like-minded people
like that that's the thing that's so scary that all three of them sat there one day and had that conversation and
then had further conversations to plan the whole thing it's like what how are you that evil how do you not think old
people are like the cutest I love old people oh so cute well [ __ ] honestly I feel like I actually hate old people
so Marina really was well loved and her neighbors were especially surprised and obviously very disappointed when they
found out that she had died she was well known in town she had retired in the mid
90s but before that but she had been a fixture at the Marvel beauty salon where she worked for over 40 years oh my God
Arena a hair stylist like us now when she retired she focused um all of her time on maintenance and upkeep of a
multi-family duplex that she owned on Bedford Street and she had inherited that from her parents when they passed
years earlier so she really wanted to like take care of this place her neighbor told reporters she was a champ
her lawn was always kept nice and even when it snowed she was out there shoveling Marina and other neighbors
said they loved her she always had a pleasant presence and she would always flash a quick wave when somebody passed
and she always had candy for the kids oh stop it she fished out a little caramel
or a little strawberry one of those little strawberry hard candies I do too so much I actually want those
right now and I love a Werther's oh go to CVS now Marina she was a bad [ __ ] she did
not let retirement slow her down at all she kept in shape walking everywhere she
was constantly doing her own yard work like we know and she just like wanted to do things around the house constantly
she was like a doer so people were shocked when they heard that she had slipped down the stairs they were like I
don't know she's in like really good shape and she's constantly doing stuff like agile exactly so they were confused
but the medical examiner concluded that it was a straightforward case of blunt neck Trauma from a slip and fall
accident that had resulted in her death and that was all there was to it he said
until 10 months later when the authorities kind of started to grow suspicious of Marina's great nephew
Anthony because he had spending uh had been spending a lot of money not long enough
it's like idiot you're so dumb so two years earlier and this is the thing she had invited him and his two friends to
stay with her at her home oh so they've been living there for like two years and after her death she the the three of
them continued living in the duplex on Bradford Street and the neighbors were not thrilled about it one neighbor said
of their time there they would throw out trash from the second floor balcony and
the house just went to pot after that which I've never heard you've never heard that no that's funny it's funny we
totally say that really yeah so it went to pot after that now in addition to the
non-stop partying there was kids coming and going at all hours neighbors were noticing new cars and other luxury items
being delivered to the house Anthony even had a new puppy which like what are you doing with a puppy take that dog
away from him immediately and he already had a dog oh he had one dog and then after his aunt was killed he bought
another one how do you have dogs and kill an old lady I have like how do you reconcile
those two parts of yourself that's like a dichotomy yeah that's a lot it really is well if you think about it
if you murdered someone you might feel depressed so maybe you would want a dog because you feel less sad yeah that's
true kind of makes sense and you'd be scared that that person you murdered in that home that you are now living in is
gonna haunt us yeah it'd probably be pretty paranoid so you'd get a dog to like I hope she haunted the [ __ ] out of
them I hope so too I would I absolutely a Merino doubt in my mind Marina was in Marine yeah Marina from Quincy was
Haunting his ass yeah she had her blow dryer turned on the hours of the day she was like yeah yeah she's like get out of
here now the sad thing is she had always been extremely extremely fond of Anthony
and remember this is her great nephew she included him in her will I was just gonna say they were close enough that he
she did that and she invited him to live there with his friends like come on now he was
supposed to get more than two hundred thousand dollars cash once she had died wow cost him a lot of money God now once
he got that money after murdering her he wasted no time spending it he got a new
Corvette which like people are going to notice if you park a Corvette outside of
a duplex in Quincy and also like really yeah like just really he got big screen televisions and this is a quote more
than eighty thousand dollars on military equipment including grenade launchers for where Lally and himself those are
his two friends I'm sorry what what a [ __ ] flaming pile of garbage yeah and also where do you just buy a
recreational grenade launcher but it does it does speak to the failure of our education system that like that's how
people think that like you should like didn't let me teach you 401K yeah better [ __ ] invest that
[ __ ] like what do you mean like buying rocks launchers we don't even know like I guess I only
learned about that stuff like two years ago but still but still but you should have a problem you know they don't teach
us that stuff it's true I had no idea yes we needed to teach the people like how to like not like how to have safe
sex and how to like have enough money yeah taxes how do you balance a checkbook yeah yeah I don't even know what
happened at the end of high school I literally used to have to Google how to write on an envelope like how to address
an envelope because we just didn't learn that oh we totally learned that and now
they're not even we teach our kids cursive which that is so [ __ ] like I love cursive I love cursive me too oh cursive
Q's are so fun well good times those were the days do people often tell you about how fun it is that you say exactly
with your tea like that it's like so it's like a divided nation yes because some people really really love it I also
never knew that I did that before I had a podcast you know I never noticed it either no my grandma would be so proud
of me my grandma you pronounce every freaking syllable so that's probably why yeah for me on like the first episode
like it was like it's like one of my I'm team loves it thank you makes me feel happy I love it when you say that and
anyone who says opposite is like weird but it's also so interesting like looking at you guys when you talk
because I'm like wow like now you know now you know who says what that whole time is the magic gone
you just learned so much no it's even more magical I love like that it's like you it's like when you love someone and
now you can imagine like where they're sitting in their house when you're chatting with them like that's what my
grandma always said she had to come to your house because she didn't like chatting on the phone and not being able
to like Envision where you were yeah I love that a lot and now like it's like really cute like in a non-creepy way
yeah also are you gonna come to our pod lab someday in like real life please we have a whole setup over there to like
sit down our friend Mikey is in the corner but wait till then what happened so okay
so she's so she's so nice yeah so nice so she's so nice puts them in the will then they kill her they're buying
grenade launchers and according to their friend Jim Morrill I hope I'm saying that right the boys had quote dreamed
about becoming mercenary soldiers which is what the whole grenade launcher was about and now that they have the money
they were stockpiling weapons at this point weird now Jim he had spent three or four days a week at Anthony's house
both before and after Marina had been killed and Jim had dreams of becoming a professional musician and he actually
played in a band with Anthony and his friend Weir and the band was called electronic kill machine
which like honestly lame name if you ask yeah that one doesn't do the whole like
hello Cleveland we are electric kill machine no no I'm out right I'm leaving it doesn't work yeah I've already left
left on something now apparently they were doing all right because they had already released a um CD a compact disc
and they were hoping to release another one now that they had the money but Jim's enthusiasm for the band and his
friends um it took a serious nosedive and late October of that year um the thing that like really turned
things on their side was when Anthony confided in him that they had all murdered Marina the great aunt Jim
didn't really love that well good for Jim yeah I'm glad jyn did not love that but Jim had questions he was like why
did you kill green Aunt Marina like why would you ever do that I would also have
that question and Anthony was like yeah like I can't just wait around for her to
die of natural causes oh my God you're disgusting you you can't just wait around he's a vile human
why don't you spend time with her why don't you find out what she did in her life why don't you uh stop being a dick
ask her about the salon yeah right ask her about running this duplex well and as we know there are so many good
stories in a salon I can't imagine 40 years worth of Salon stories could have said something yeah I mean but it's like
if you are on that murder track for the ensure or the will money it's you don't care yeah that's apparently are sounding
quite juicy enough yeah you didn't think so so Jim was like okay like um thanks for telling me that like not gonna tell
the police definitely not um he did tell the police we love Jim Jim is who we're
fighting for there you go so actually he and he had to sit through a whole car ride home with Anthony first awkward and
imagine being in a [ __ ] car with this kid he murdered his great aunt like what
no so he drops Jim off at home and Jim immediately goes to his down dad and is like listen to what Anthony just told me
and the two of them went straight to the Quincy Police Department to make a report to make a report to make a report
so Jim worked with Quincy detectives on a plan to get his friend's confession on
tape and just a few days later that plan was set into motion is there a wire there's a wire mama oh I love a wire so
Jim meets up with Jason Ware one of the friends at McDonald's in Norton I have been there I used to go there all the
time in high school damn crazy um I wasn't there when this happened no Jason didn't know it but Jim was wearing
a wire and he was about to hear exactly what had happened the day that Marina was killed can you imagine how stressful
it would be to wear a wire no I I can't even fathom it especially in a scenario where like like in a scenario different
than this where like somebody could potentially like feel you for a while yeah or in a place like not a public
place if you're like in their house or they're in your house which happens or in a car or something oh terrifying have
you ever watched Good Girls no yes love that show yes so good with Reddit love yeah there you go so this
happens in The Wire too that because that's also a great thing I need to watch that I've been meaning to watch
that that's a good one yeah well great theme song too agreed so on the afternoon of December
19th Anthony Thomas Lally and Jason Ware they drove to Marina's house and Anthony
waited in the car with his dog the one the one that he already had while the other boys went inside so he couldn't
even do this himself by the way which like I'm kind of glad I guess but I'm not glad at all because I hate it
so Marina was out that day doing what Marina did she was probably giving children candy
um taking care of her Lawns she's like being an amazing human being and when she got home she was surprised to find
the two boys in her kitchen and even more so when she saw that there was newspaper lying everywhere on the ground
and all the surfaces the newspaper had been put down earlier because they decided it would soak up
the blood now as she moved closer into the kitchen she was met by Thomas Lally who was
holding a cast iron skillet that he had taken from the cabinet Marina was obviously terrified so she was like what
are you doing with that and he replied this is what I'm doing with this and brought the cast iron skillet down on
her head with such Force this is a quote that the handle broke off like also you're [ __ ] gross like I
love that he had the whole like this this is what I'm doing like [ __ ] off you're a 19 year old this woman has
lived her whole [ __ ] life for you you piece of [ __ ] and garbage to do this to
her and they're 19 like 19 is well above the age of course it is and one of them
shenanigans should be happy yeah they were like two of them are 19 and one was 17. yeah it's like you are
exactly so Lolly he expected that the blow from the cast iron pan would be enough to kill the 80s
[Applause] but there was blood coming down her face and she started screaming for Anthony oh
my God completely unaware that he was outside in the car knowing full well what was going on inside oh my God and
he's out she's yelling for him for help oh that hurts my heart so she started screaming and he Lolly grabs a yellow
tea kettle from the stove top and he beat her with that even after she fell to the ground and when she was down he
climbed on top of her and started to manually strangle her with his hands but she was fighting back she scratched at
his face she bit his arm and she was screaming so when he realized how difficult it is actually to strangle
somebody he instead held a small pillow over her face yelling let go given Anthony wants it this way oh like that's
what she heard in her dying moments was that her great grand nephew how I wanted
this to happen like that is brutal Okay and like for what I wonder if they were on drugs
because there is such like a disassociation from reality yeah and a lot of times when you hear about like
murders like that like it is like the paranoia the soldiers the murderer like all of it's like yeah all right it's
like or maybe that's just like my brain wanting to say that because it's like otherwise you literally sober decided to
[ __ ] cold blood murderer your 84 year old Auntie which makes you a [ __ ] Monster's at least sir it's like
addiction and that's not who your soul is or whatever it is really [ __ ] up I don't think they were on drugs I didn't
read anything that said they were which makes it like you were just saying makes
it worse oh it's awful so five or so minutes later Anthony entered the apartment and this is [ __ ] insane
walks over to his great aunt who had taken him in put him in her well looked at her lifeless body on the floor and
quote gave a shrug before leaving the room just was like wow like you are a soulless piece of
garbage you should never be allowed around people ever again never so before doing anything else they thoroughly
washed Marina's body they were trying to get rid of any kind of evidence but um she had scratched I was just gonna say
she took some evidence when she bit him so then They carried her to the top of the
stairwell and dumped her body down the stairs to make it seem like she'd Fallen [Music]
wild I'm also like who is the medical examiner don't you think that's something like you're not gonna say what
they've seen at the blows to the Head were like pre-mortem and post-mortem like falling down like
wouldn't that be like would that be something that they could tell they could really do it technically whether a
a wound is post or pre or perimortem or put or pre-mortem would it be possible that she was maybe like a still but if
they watch if I mean maybe I don't know what how when she died at that point but
they washed her yeah like if they watched her up and like cleaned up that's a lot of time and that's enough
time for blood to clot yeah which means any of those wounds you could tell whether they were done
or even Perry so I think the medical examiner probably was like oh like look she fell down the stairs and like didn't
look too much further I was gonna say that's like not good it's like she's 84 so like maybe he was just or they were
like and you'd think me just like she would be very dark and I know a fall down the stairs if you I mean it depends
on the stairs it depends on well it's a duplex so think and it's a duplex in Boston so to me I'm if I'm speeding the
stairs that's a steep long set of stairs potentially even curved I feel like a lot of them are randomly curved or
they're just like really long and thin so like I guess that could cause a lot of damage especially if you went you
know Head Over Feet right exactly but like but still like pre and post like you were saying it was gonna take time
to wash her up and everything that would also I feel like be like I know that they put down the newspapers but it's
like there would be some spray like that hit would cause some kind especially if
he had like pulled it back yeah yeah I think no one found that if it sounds to me like they were just very ready yeah
open and shut found her at the bottom of the stairs she's 84. she fell work here's done wow and I I don't know about
the crime rate in Quincy but I'm sure it's not like a very quiet quiet area no so I think they're probably not like
maybe overloaded you could think I could see that yeah so so they did all of that
unbelievable later that day they cleaned the apartment they gathered up the bloody newspapers and then they drove to
Norton where they dropped Weir off at his parents house and Anthony and Lally went on to dispose of the frying pan and
the tea kettle in a pond before heading back to Quincy now Anthony and Lally waited at the apartment until 11 o'clock
at night and then called the police to report that Anthony had come home and found his beloved deer Aunt like this
wow so police found out from The Wire that um that's exactly what had happened and they were all three arrested so he
was just like yeah this whole story wow now when it came time for the trial all three of them actually pleaded not
guilty which I'm like honey is that you on the wire because like we all heard that yeah now Lolly pleaded not guilty
to first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder Anthony for first-degree murder accessory before the fact to
murder and conspiracy to commit murder and we're for first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder but all
three trials actually were hung up for like years and years because of administrative and pre-trial matters all
that [ __ ] stupid stuff but by March of 2006 all the respective hurdles have been cleared and Thomas Lolly was the
first to go on trial bye Lally bye now in his opening remarks I I have to laugh when I say this because it's Norfolk
Norfolk County district attorney Robert Nelson you there's like no other way to say it yeah
Norfolk yeah um the district attorney Robert Nelson he told the jury about how the boys had
planned the murder months in advance so this was months in advance they planned this they developed a strategy after
visiting websites and watching TV shows about how to get rid of forensic evidence oh God and according to Norton
collabro Anthony there and the other boys did this because they were they thought they were going to inherit more
than 700 000 when Marina died and they would split they said that Anthony told the boys they would split it evenly
it's like number one I don't know who you think you are like you're not getting seven hundred thousand dollars
and clearly he's not gonna split it equally no of course he's not and also that's sweet aunt Marina what the [ __ ]
are you doing yeah now in exchange for their participation Weir was expecting a 28 000 pickup truck and Lolly thought he
was gonna get his amount in cash but at the end of the day we're only received 6 500 which still is a lot of
money and Lolly got somewhere between eight and ten thousand because he had been the one to do everything wow now
when you thought you were gonna get two hundred thousand a little different a little different so only 10 grand to
kill somebody and then live with that for the rest of your life and not even they said between eight and ten so you
know that was like nine something yeah if that it's like also no amount of money is
worth it to murder a sweet old woman and to like brutally while she's calling for
her nephew yeah oh God that's what kills me like that part yeah not so much I hate it because you know
she was just the sweetest yeah Marina from Quincy but now the good thing well it's like a good and bad thing but it
works out because the evidence against Sally it was largely circumstantial but it was just circumstantial excuse me but
it was still significant when the police arrived at Anthony's house on the night
of the murder they actually had noted which I'm like you noted this and you still said that it was not a murder they
noticed that he had scratches on his face and a bite mark on his arm and they asked him about it that night actually
and he said he got them during a fight with Anthony earlier that day no no like you check that I have to go you check
that but later on they ended up searching lali's home and they found scraps of the newspapers that had been
laid out and Jim was able to direct them to the pond where they had dumped the cast iron skillet in the tea kettle and
they recovered those items with the help of a dive team so I wonder where the pond was we're [ __ ] it was in Norton
oh it was one of the Norton ponds holy [ __ ] I bet you know which one it is oh so the most damning was the testimony
from Jason Weir he actually agreed to testify against Lally in exchange for a reduced charge uh he was going to get
manslaughter with a maximum sentence of 10 years so on the stand we are admitted
to being in the apartment and he said he may have tried to restrain Marina and actually even handed Lolly the pillow
that was what killed her but it was Thomas who had struck her with all those blows that had killed her I'm sorry if
you held down an 84 year old who had already been bludgeoned you're a [ __ ] monster too and
what's his name Jason um Jason yeah and also to be like well I may have restrained my hair but I don't
remember it's like [ __ ] off you don't remember murdering someone oh I do Jason
I hate you just as much I hate Jason yeah I hate Thomas but yeah so he said that and then he
told the jury in the days leading up to the murder that Lally had made several comments to suggest that he was actually
excited about going through with this and that afterwards Ware was so scared to report the crime because of all that
and he he feared retaliation from Lally and that's why he didn't tell anybody it's like no you didn't tell anybody
because you held her down and you handed a pillow that's not I was gonna say that's the thing you know you were a
pivotal you played a pivotal role in this whole thing that's why you didn't say anything exactly don't play with me
Jason [ __ ] off oh [ __ ] play around here so arguing in lally's defense attorney
which like oh I don't know how you do that yeah attorney Robert Griffin told the jury that the police and the
prosecution had prosecutors excuse me I'd gotten everything wrong he said Jason where is the one who killed Marina
Calabro uh no but he told me no he told the jury that the DNA evidence collected at the
scene was not a match for Lally who had simply gone along with his friends it's like I love that that's a defense
sir it's like this 19 year old was peer pressured into brutally bludgeoning an 84 year old to death like I'm sorry am I
supposed to go oh okay don't throw him in jail then it's fine yeah make them pay don't worry about it he'll get over
it like she had had plenty of people over in the in like the days and stuff before that like that could have been
anybody's DNA we all know what happened here yeah they continued living in her house and using her money to buy grenade
launcher Jesus we know what happened yeah he said he was not the Mastermind Anthony was and he was not the murderer
Jason was oh he just he nothing to do with it exactly so finally Thomas Lolly there took the stand for himself in his
own defense and he told the jury that it was Jason Weir who had killed the woman
God they were like okay okay okay sounds good and then they deliberated for five
hours and when they came back they found Thomas Lally guilty oh good okay on first degree murder I was like I
swear to God if you give me a not guilty you were like I will don't you do it and
the superior court judge Charles grobao I want to say it is sentence loudly to the mandatory sentence of life in prison
without the possibility of parole and then the Norfolk District Attorney there was a lot of emphasis on that there
sorry um he said that he was satisfied with the outcome but he quote remained troubled by the savagery of her death
very Savage now it seems like Thomas lally's conviction definitely put some fear into Anthony because in in June of
2006 just a couple months after Lally was sentenced Anthony ended up changing his tune and he decided that he was
going to be pleading guilty to the second degree murder of his great aunt please it's like um firstly you planned
it he cried before the court he said he played a role in her death and he said I'm disgusted with myself I'm disgusted
with my lack of action and attempting to stop it or any anything else for that matter you mean when she was calling out
for you and also like to stop it like you continued even after she died you divvied out her money to your friends
who you had hired to kill her yeah he's so sad that he didn't stop doing that you're sorry you got caught yeah your
tears mean nothing exactly and that's how the judge felt too and he sentenced him to life in prison with the
possibility of parole after 15 years I hate that oh I hate that yeah we don't love them 2006 15 years that wasn't
we're not done yet oh oh oh now because of his deal Jason Weir pleaded guilty to
manslaughter and was sentenced to 10 years with credit for the four years already served while he was awaiting
trial now for a little T though in July of 2006 after all three cases had been settled it was discovered that the
Norfolk County prosecutor Susan Cochran or yeah I think that's it had shared audio interviews and other evidence and
sensitive materials with the CBS news program 48 Hours what and she was immediately fired oh [ __ ] she got fired
for that damn now in January of 2022 Anthony was granted parole yo [ __ ] he had been denied once in 2017
but given his age at the time of the crime and his record of good behavior while in prison probably because there's
no old lady four-year-olds yeah the parole board felt that he had been rehabilitated and was a suitable
candidate for parole and they specifically cited his participation quote in numerous prison programs
including one called alternatives to violence it's like well I'm glad he participated
he's like 42 or something now like 42 or 43 yeah I hate it I'm really bad at Mental Math but I think that sounds
right he was like teen in 2001 and the trial didn't go on until 2005 or so yeah it
was 19 in 2001. so then like 21 he was like 39. yeah it's like 41. you just walk in these streets
of streets and you murdered ears oh that's so cute I love that how could you do and Lolly and Pops
to her husband yeah it's so rude and it's like if you're gonna kill somebody you know that brutally like I mean he
didn't do the killing but he like set it all up you can do that for someone you love yeah what are you capable of for
somebody you don't know now according to the terms of his parole he'll be released to a minimum security facility
and he was going to stay there for a year and then after that he would be released quote on a home plan that would
include a curfew and electronic monitoring so we have that to settle our stomach okay now in May of 2022 so
pretty recently Jim morrill's story of being a voluntary undercover agent on behalf of the Quincy Police Department
was featured on the Discovery Channel series I went undercover oh and the series producer told the Patriot Ledger
this series is all about regular people taking great risks and going undercover when we heard about Jim's story and his
bravery it was a natural fit for the series so yeah that is the story of two three actually [ __ ] crazed into
individuals three pieces of [ __ ] who murdered sweet sweet Marina Marina a poor Marina all right people Arena we
loved you before we even knew you oh really loved her so much that's such an upsetting one it's very upsetting oh
shout out to Dave for helping me with research on that shout out today yes oh my God today and just said yes
Dave yes Dave that was amazing what a story I know upsetting [Music] oh [Music] it was really sad I definitely need to
watch Sister Act One and Two yeah you do to move on for most of the last of us is
so good 96 women's Olympic Team final that's true but nobody likes the last one I
know we hate it here's the thing with the Last of Us you you knew I was like I won't watch this and like John my
husband loves an apocalyptic movie he loves a world wide epidemic like he loves I already have my checklist yeah I
already know exactly what I would do there you go that's John that's good that's good planning yeah raid the
pharmacy get my HIV medicine that's the [ __ ] first thing that I wanted to get the guns I'm really like not into
guns yes you're scared of them but in that situation and Armageddon like post apocalypse like I'm getting so [ __ ]
gunny with it then I'm taking my ass to the grocery store yeah I'm getting all those [ __ ] cans the canned goods and
the Pop-Tarts even though they're not in a can they still count oh Pop-Tarts come
there what kind of Pop-Tarts do you guys like oh I like them really I like the brown
sugar cinnamon ones the Oreos those are my favorite and I was just gonna say the cookies and
cream ones are a dessert Pop Tart I like the strawberry too just go classic love
I [ __ ] with s'mores that's my second favorite yes brown sugar Cinnamon's my number one yeah yeah brown sugar is
classic yeah if you want to get real if you want to get really decadent with it you should say then you put them in the
toaster take them out when they're nice and warm you put ice cream on them no no
that sounds great butter you put a little butter on the crust oh no you put butter on the hole okay good okay good
but you know what I do I am so impatient insane so and able to control myself me too that I will eat I
will take one package out eat them together sacked on top of each other cold like I will while I toast the other
pear um I need it I need I need it up front like I can't wait for three minutes but I
like it room temp and hot so I just do both it works like this Elena always laughs at me like whenever we order food
or something I eat something in preparation for the food to come she's like we have food coming I'm like yeah
but I'm really hungry I feel that though yeah actually my nutritionist taught me
to do that because like then you don't overeat the meal like I still do okay yeah like it does help me though I also
like I'll also like have a snack like before I order now because then I'm like a little bit less enraged
you are great I'm a grazer I like to eat throughout the day Drew and I are doing
a challenge this month where we don't order doordash for dinner because it's gotten really really bad I was going
through my statement the other day and I was like all of my money is going to doordash like same and I am getting
married in 33 weeks and these hips they do lie they do lie they do not Shakira so yeah so yeah that's that
um this is the most fun I ever had this is so much fun we need to do this again I want to do this and it'll be easier to
schedule and we'll bring our yeah yeah cool actually I love you guys so much can we just like I just I'm I have to
still finish part two of um the Hollywood Slayer that's right oh yes that one is rough that one's gnarly you
should start Vanderpump Rules if I'm gonna watch Sister Act you should start rules it's true it's kind of like an
uneven it's kind of uneven um we're giving you ten Seasons you're giving me like such a big commitment
yeah so here's what's the scent it is here's what's more accurate okay if you get through Sister Act One and Two okay
and then 1996 women's Olympic Team final okay and the last and the last of us then I shall embark on the that's more
than I care but apocalypse if it's like an hour per hour I'm telling you the last of us I I did not want to like it
but I love Pedro Pascal and you will too and also the third episode from one hairdresser to another
if you just like appreciate it for like the lighting the hair and the makeup like how would you dress someone's hair
if it had not been cut for 20 years that the world had shut down like how would you
interpret like that's kind of like because like before I made TV I didn't watch TV for that as much but then once
I understood like what it looks like in real life versus what it looks like on TV like in an unscripted way now I like
I appreciate more of like lighting and like how long it would have took yeah there's like more art there that I think
you would appreciate if you just would give yourself the chance and the monsters in the last of us are some of
the most horrifically gorgeous monsters you said there's monsters they are like the bad
things oh the infected and it gets better like you get more of them and there's different stages of infected where they
look different okay most gorgeous makeup I've ever seen all right I'm telling you
both right now I'm gonna watch this but it's gonna take me a long time to get through it because I have to watch it by
myself and I think it might I think that first I watched the pilot like the first
episode like four times in like the first week because it was so it was giving layers
more layers than a [ __ ] shag honey and you know that's a lot of [ __ ] layers I'm gonna film you
when you get to that third episode because I have to pass that trauma on that it's a curveball yeah
it's gorgeous we're gonna have to watch it together when Drew goes away okay oh yeah okay yeah I'm asking for
you I am asking you to aggressively make some time for this yeah I'll force it we don't have time
for a [ __ ] vacation out of your partner what the [ __ ] he gonna leave he's all you guys are together all the
time I'll ever hear about on your podcast I don't have time for two weeks Elena doesn't nobody does no yes
can you imagine if someone yes yes I can't lie to you I will just episode one okay the word of the Lord either
you're a really good liar or you're going to because I am you like your face changed yeah because I feel like I I
believe you like I went from not believing to like not about anything just about The Last of Us specifically
yeah of course she knows that I I'm Gonna Make It Happen will you send me a joke
I I want to know what you think oh yeah just send it to me please or just text me it's even better sometimes I forget
that I'm pretty sure it's really better for you that I do forget that no don't forget yeah always remember yeah I'm
gonna text you once I'm done with it there you go more of it is number one okay now let's do your thanks for
listening okay I was just gonna invite you to do it do you want to do the keep it weird yes okay ready yeah all right
guys well that was our episode with jvn I'm very sad that it's over but with all
that being said we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep keep it we but not so weird that what
um but not so weird that you try to take your step Auntie's um inheritance and then take your two best friends and then
murder her with a frying pan and a teapot and then clean her body and then take her up to the top of the stairs and
throw her down the stairs and then get grenade launchers and all this weird [ __ ] [ __ ] and just like take care of
your family birth but do do that but don't do the other stuff no he said it that was really good that was really
good I love the end of the podcast so much like I love it when you do that Justice oh you did really good I felt it
going of course when I said like why can't you just take care of people because it's like not so weird that you
would it was like yeah but then you just talk yourself through yeah you got it yeah yeah you got it
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Brief Summary

Jonathan Van Ness joins to discuss Vanderpump Rules and the brutal murder of Marina Calabro by her great nephew in Quincy, Massachusetts.

Key points

New Episode Schedule. We're dropping episodes on Mondays and Thursdays!
Special Guest Jonathan Van Ness. Jonathan Van Ness joins for a fun and intense episode!
The Shocking Murder of Marina. An 84-year-old woman is brutally murdered by her great nephew and friends for inheritance.
The Haunting of Quincy. Marina's spirit is speculated to haunt her murderer after a brutal death.
Confession Undercover. A friend wears a wire to capture a confession about the murder of Marina.
The Murder Plot Unfolds. Three young men plan to murder their elderly relative for inheritance. It’s chilling how they strategized months in advance.

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