Kelly Cochran AKA "The Devil Woman of Michigan" | Episode 355 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

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everybody comes for me or before you go to your lash person and ask if you can get your lashes laminated the answer is
no I got my eyebrows limited yeah I was gonna say that's what it was but yeah yeah anyways so that's that's a quick
little correction um so yeah Drew's going to be on this episode because Elena and her little fam
fam are on just a quick little vacay but don't worry she will be back actually well technically you'll feel like she's
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Drew's probably gonna join me one more time for listener tales and Elena will be officially back for our Monday
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perfect okay so yeah I thought that I was going to be telling Elena this story so um definitely hold on to your butt
yeah I'm a little nervous um for anyone that doesn't know I'm not a big True Crime person but I do like to
be on this podcast so I kind of set myself up for it I am a friend podcast that you would host
yeah it's gonna be a lot I think you were in the living room last week when I was watching the documentary oh yes yeah
um so I'm gonna be talking about Kelly Cochran today she's also known as The Devil Woman of Michigan oh so there's
that yeah and the documentary that you I think you like were popping in and out of the house while I was watching it
yeah you didn't get the full extent but you guys should definitely check it out it's on
um investigation discovery so if you have Discovery plus check it out I think it's it's either three parts or four
parts I can't remember but it's called Dead North okay and then I also read a book that's called where monsters hide
and that was by mwbit nope it was by m William Phelps cool all right so you ready to start yeah you say this is in
Michigan I did yeah so it's in Michigan and in uh Indiana okay hey Caleb all right so in October of 2014 when
Chris Regan was reported missing by his ex-girlfriend Terry O'Donnell nobody really expected this like Tangled mess
of spider webs and scary [ __ ] and just horrific overall stuff spider webs yeah
because they're like yucky oh okay just like a trail of like so there's no actual like spider web
storyline no okay I mean like maybe they're the spider webs like in their house like that oh okay gotcha don't
hold on to like every last one sorry I'm kidding but no it was just gonna be like uncovering a whole bunch of nasty
craziness while they were trying to find him okay so around the time that Chris was reported missing he actually was
really supposed to be starting over he and his son were planning to move to Asheville North Carolina together and
honestly it would be like the perfect place for the two of them because they both absolutely loved the outdoors and
they were already planning all kinds of adventures together and they were just like really stoked to move out there
together now Chris was a classic Outdoorsman while he was actually serving as Master
Sergeant in the Air Force he was on the Air Force road racing team as a category
2 cyclist racer and I didn't know what that meant so I looked it up so I'll let you know in like two seconds okay he
loved riding bikes and he was really good at it and anybody in that high of a category for racing like a category 2
has to consistently Place High in the races that they compete in which he was doing okay he had trophies from all
around the world and he also loved being on the water he loved scuba diving kayaking he had his own kayak from the
sounds of it like literally any outdoor activity would have been of interest to him yeah so like just like us oh yeah
totally Outdoors no no we imagine us like doing it like trying to trying to ride a bike would just be something I
used to be super outdoorsy like when I was younger and then I got older and I just you got it all out of your system
yeah truly like the thought of going on a hike like I cannot I actually invited somebody on
a hike um one of my one of my friends I was like oh do you want to get together next
week and go on a hike and then I looked at the text like [ __ ] who are you like
where why are you inviting people on Hikes yeah but I'm trying to get in I just said this life I just sent Elena
and John because where they're going on vacation I'm very familiar with so I sent them this like cool like hike to go
on and I'm like hehe have fun I don't think they're gonna be mad but Chris would have loved that
recommendation so once he retired from the Air Force after serving 20 years he got a job at a factory where they made
all the parts that would be used on Navy ships uh his particular role at that factory he was team leader so he would
oversee any major project and his co-workers really looked up to him they had a lot of respect for him and even
like the higher-ups who were higher than him and the company they loved him too they all said that he was incredibly
organized that he paid attention to detail he was always on time showing up for work at 5am on the dot and he was
just always in a good mood so Chris's time at the company though obviously was coming to an end because
he was moving with his son in fact he had already got a job lined up in North Carolina and right around the time he
disappeared he was actually supposed to be heading into North Carolina heading out there to do a routine drug test
before he was like officially hired but he pretty much had the job yeah now Kristin didn't do drugs so there was
nothing to worry about there but what was worrisome was that he wasn't answering any texts or calls from the
son that he was moving with or from his ex-girlfriend Terry that he was still friends with now things were especially
troubling to Terry when she got a call from one of Chris's co-workers at the factory
this co-worker wanted Terry to know that Chris's car was parked at the Bates park
and ride and it had been there for a while now Chris drove a 2013 Hyundai Genesis that he absolutely adored like
everybody said he loves that car those are nice cars yeah I would love that car too I Googled a
picture of it and she's pretty slick yeah so Terry was more free more than freaked out because she was like this
car has been parked there multiple days in a row and there's no sign of him coming or going and the co-worker was
like no like it's been in the same spot wow so when she first contacted the police they were actually a little bit
suspicious of Terry herself they were worried that you know maybe she's some kind of jolted lover she's jealous that
he's moving la la whatever but the more and more that they started talking to her they were like no like she's
definitely distraught like she very much loves him and actually it was the police
chief Laura frizzo who plays like obviously she's the police chief but she plays a major part in this case and she
said that when she was talking to Terry she was like there was just something in
her eye that wouldn't have been there if she had been involved in this okay so they actually oops I just hit my
microphone sorry they actually met when Terry was working as a teacher in Iron River Michigan and Chris was actually
still in the Air Force but he decided to move out there while they were dating I
think it was when he was already retired from the Air Force yeah not only to enjoy a lot of the outdoor activities
that Iron River Michigan can provide but obviously also to be closer to Terry but things in their relationship started
to sour when Terry suspected that Chris might be seeing another woman behind her
back never good never good so unfortunately Terry's suspicion did turn out to be true Chris was having an
affair and he was having an affair with a married woman that he worked with Kelly Cochran also known as The Devil
Woman of Michigan that freaks me out and I'm scared to find out why you should be
so it was something that he tried to keep very under the radar this affair and when people started talking at work
like Chris knew that Kelly maybe had led on to something yeah and he got upset with her knowing full well that she
probably validated these people's questions and in my personal opinion I feel like he wanted to keep his affair
with Kelly private for many reasons but I think the biggest two that at least I can think of or number one he valued his
job and he was very well respected at his job so yeah he didn't want to lose it or have his reputation tarnished by
some todrey fair and I also think that he was worried about being judged because
think the way that we can put it is just that he and Kelly were from two different walks of life many would
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[Music] so there were other factors too there was a 20-year age difference between the
two of them and of course the fact he was already seeing somebody was he older he was older yes okay but obviously I'm
sure you know as well as I do work word spreads quickly in a work environment and pretty much everyone was aware that
at least something was going on between the two of them yeah so Kelly wasn't from the area she had actually moved
pretty recently to Iron River Michigan in February of 2014 with her husband Jason okay now she and Jason had known
each other their entire lives they actually grew up next to each other in Merrillville Indiana Kelly say it again
imagine that like growing up next to someone and then like they're your husband I know that would be crazy and
the funny thing is that like even her mom was like I never suspected that the two of them would have gotten together
yeah that's crazy it kind of seems like everybody was a bit surprised when they decided to start going out like they
were friendly but they were it seemed in my opinion like they were more just friend friends because their friends
were friends and be like happenstance that they live next door to each other yeah yeah but yeah I don't know so Kelly
was the oldest of three kids and she gave her parents her parents were Tim and Melanie gaboyan she gave them a lot
of Hell while she was growing up she started using drugs at a really young age she would run away from home at
least on two occasions she actually at one point had to be placed in a girl's home while she was a teenager because
her parents just couldn't get her to stop doing drugs sneaking out partying all of the above and then when she was
18 she was kicked out of the home because she wasn't following any of the rules there either
but then she kind of just started getting her [ __ ] together and decided that she wanted to go to college okay
I'm not sure if she was still using drugs but she was like you know what I want to go to college now it turned out
that her neighbor Jason wanted to go to the same University that she did Purdue and around that same time she was
actually spending more and more of her free time with Jason I think the other thing was that it was just like
um convenient you know like you're both going to the same school you both live next door to each other yeah like you
and I know too because like when you're all your friends leave for college I think you start to cling on to people
like more than you usually would oh totally like yeah I was gonna share a story and then I was like probably won't
I was like I'm actually sitting here with my fiance yeah I know I was just thinking of like types where like
um when I dropped out of college just suddenly on a Tuesday afternoon and got home
got home and like no one was there except for like a couple of my friends and you just kind of like all like flock
together but yeah totally and then you like you kind of date people that like you probably wouldn't date yeah the
circumstance yeah so yeah whatever they start dating you know maybe they also thought each other was cute and like
they enjoyed their time with each other because the thing is like I said they'd always hung out while they were growing
up but it was usually with groups of people and then as they got older it was a little more one-on-one and it got more
romantic as the relationship developed but while Kelly was at Purdue she studied psychology sociology and
forensics interestingly enough yeah yeah so sorry that's like an interesting do those three go together oh totally
yeah psychology sociology and forensics what sociology sociology I I mean don't quote me because like we both dropped
out of college but sociology I think is like how the world works and like how people interact with one another okay
like the study of being social okay I would no one could no one come after us because we don't know
I don't know I'm not teaching her college class and posting a true crime podcast So eventually Jason decides to
propose and he does so on Kelly's birthday which was June 5th um she's a Gemini that's all I'm gonna say about
that all right yeah I know them well yeah sorry yeah whenever I hear that lizzo song that's like who would put up
with your Gemini [ __ ] like I do I'm always like thanks true so uh they got married in the Methodist
Church in 2002 and after college they opened up a business together uh right after they got married so right after
college and right after they got married they would service people's swimming pools that was their business but pretty
much right after they were married Kelly's parents kind of noticed a change in Jason they said that he wasn't as
talkative as he used to be he and Kelly were arguing more and more than they had
in the past they said they didn't see anything physical ever go down between them while they were living at the house
but they definitely were arguing a lot and things got so uncomfortable and especially the shift in Jason's
personality kind of alarmed Kelly's father and he was like I don't think you guys should live here anymore like I
think you guys should get your own place like huh you gotta get out of here yeah
so they do and they go out on their own their company is doing pretty well but about 10 years into it Jason Jason's
body gives out his back can't handle the stress anymore okay he's having really bad back pain he wasn't able to get work
done like he had in the years previous obvious and then that started taking a toll on his mental health and then
things got worse because his pain reached the point where let's just say he was no longer able to have a sexual
relationship with Kelly or anybody for that matter okay because of the pain yeah so things have gotten pretty bad
overall and they decided around 2013 that they needed a change and that's when they decided to move out to Iron
River they later claimed that part of the reason they moved back was that pot had been legalized in Michigan and it
was something that would help with Jason's back pain but what didn't help was Kelly having an affair
so back to Terry like I said Terry had her suspicions when she was with Chris and that was part of the reason why that
they had decided to call it quits but right around the time that he disappeared the two of them actually
seemed to patch things up and Terry said to the police she had spoken with Chris
recently and that they were even planning to spend Thanksgiving together but that all communication between them
ceased out of nowhere on October 14th now ultimately detectives were able to search Chris's home and car and they did
so without a warrant because of the community caretaker exception that's part of the Fourth Amendment basically
if there's any evidence like an abandoned car that a person might be into cert in distress or in need of
assistance then Lauren law enforcement can enter the vehicle or the home of the person without a warrant okay just like
basically if they're worried that you're in like Dire Straits then yeah they can
hop in and help you okay so when Chris's apartment was searched Terry was there and she was absolutely shocked at the
state this apartment was in I said earlier Chris was known as a very organized person and people would say
that all his teas were crossed all his eyes were dotted but the apartment was like the end antithesis of who Chris was
said to be his laptop was left on his desk completely open and there were notes that he was taking right next to
it just like right on the top of the counter he would have never left those out there were cabinets that were just
left open dirty dishes all over the place that were from like takeout yeah and there were things just lying about
on the floor and look again we know he's moving so of course his apartment isn't
going to be in the state that like it normally would be in but this was so drastic and Terry said she had been with
him when as he was packing up his apartment and she was like no no he had a streamlined process he had like lists
for everything he was doing each room like one one at a time yeah it wouldn't have looked like this he would never
leave the apartment in such disarray and there were other troubling things too his medicine was left at home and this
was medication that he would need to take daily and he wouldn't have left home permanently without his Mazda
pickup truck was still parked out front with his kayak top tied on top of it so he um he also had plans to sell that
truck before moving so she was kind of surprised that it was still there yeah and then there was a folder on the floor
with a letter inside from his doctor now the letter was for him to bring when he
had gone to that drug test for his new job yeah it stated that he was taking Percocet for a recent knee surgery and
it was prescribed that way it wouldn't raise any alarms if it came up on his chest okay but by the time Chris's
apartment was searched he should have already gone to North Carolina to take that drug test so why would this be with
him like why would this be left yeah exactly and then the investigators were actually able to get in touch with that
company that he was going to be working for and that company let them know that not only had he not shown up for his
drug test but he actually hadn't answered any follow-up calls and the supervisor there kind of assumed that
Chris had found another job and that he was kind of screening his calls because he wasn't going to end up working for
the place that he'd been hired at yeah and before this call the investigators thought you know maybe Chris just
decided to start move moving a bit early but then the state of his apartment the
call with the new employer and what they would find soon in his car would tell them otherwise okay so they searched his
apartment like I just said things aren't right so then they're like we gotta get
to his car we got to see what's going on in there yeah so they go to the park and
ride where Chris's car was left and again they're able to gain entry like I said and there were a couple things left
behind that just made it more and more likely that he hadn't just gotten up and walked away from his life his knee brace
was sitting in the front seat and Terry reminded the investigators that this knee surgery that he had was very recent
and he was supposed to be wearing that brace at all times yeah so the fact that it wasn't there was weird he'd also left
his water bottle behind which was like super unlike him okay um and on top of that there was a weird
Post-it that was found in the car so all these other weird things are lying around and then they find a Post-It and
it seemed to be directions to somewhere it read 424 feet stop sign left through fourways
stop left on side street to yield sign left over Creek root and Alley Brown House
the directions led the investigators to somebody's whose name had come up a couple times already in this
investigation could you guess who um is her name Kim Kelly Kelly is her name Kim no it's Kelly so it led them to
Kelly Cochran's house yeah and it was also determined that Chris's phone was last used on October 14th and that it
was also the last day he had had any baking activity like they realized that so they were like and then the last
place he goes is to Kelly cochrane's house and they're having an affair why don't we head on over there to see if
she knows anything yeah so the police got to Kelly and Jason's home remember she's still married to Jason and Jason
is the one who answers the door now officer Cindy Barrette asks if Kelly's home and Jason says that she's not right
now he didn't know exactly where she was but he said she'd be home in about an hour if they want to come back
but there was just like something off about the whole situation and officer Barrett sensed it so she was like I'm
gonna stick around a little bit longer and ask you a couple questions so she was like okay
is there anybody else in the house and Jason was like no and just as he's answering a woman walks
down the stairs and like comes up from behind him so they're like why did you just lie to us there is somebody in the
house yeah and that somebody is Kelly Cochran oh my God and she's like hey like what do you what's going on that's
the most sus way of wow right that's crazy is anybody else in the house no suddenly a human appears yeah like what
are you doing dude so Kelly is like oh what's going on and the officers explain that they're looking into The
Disappearance of one of her co-workers Chris Regan but before they got too much closer or too much further excuse me
they were like hey um why did your husband just lie to our faces and Kelly told them that Jason probably just
thought she was in some kind of trouble and he was just covering for her but they were like that's not good it's not
a good way to like get out of it no like your husband shouldn't be lying to the cops man so they were like yeah
um okay but then the whole time they're talking to Kelly Jason and Kelly seems totally chill but Jason is kind of
standing like something's bothering him and like he's trying not to show it like
he looks very tense in this moment yeah but Kelly I think they literally said she was as cool as a cucumber so they
were like what the [ __ ] is going on here like you guys want to come down to the
station and chat with us like we're asking nicely but I don't really think you have a lot of choice so they were
like yeah yeah we'll come down to the station and when they got there two very different interviews were conducted so
Kelly goes first and she explains to the investigators that she and Chris were involved in an affair and that her
husband Jason not only knew about it but he was cool with it interesting yeah she said I mean I'm not
I'm not judging but like that is like weird well because it doesn't seem like he's cool with it when he's like
standing there super tense yeah yeah and you're on and people I feel like people
who are cool with like like open relationships they don't call it an affair exactly you would say that you
have an open relationship yeah I mean that's not how she was describing it she said that she was allowed to sleep with
other people oh yeah that's that's weird yeah I'm not sure so she was like not only does he
know about it he's fine with it and she explains how he's injured and unable to quote unquote perform so they decided to
separate and then and that's the thing she said they separated but then they had an understanding that she would
sleep with other people but they'd stay together so I'm like so you're not separated really yeah and then she
explained that while she was involved with Chris she was also seeing another man at work named Eric oh and that her
husband Jason knew about both of them she then recalled the last time that she and Chris had seen each other and she
said it was right around the time that she went missing but she couldn't be she couldn't lock in a day she was like I
think it was like this day or this day and she said that she went over to his apartment for dinner she said she'd done
this many times before and she knew he was moving so and not only did she know he was moving she claimed that Chris
asked her to go to Asheville North Carolina with him and she said I just didn't want to leave Iron River because
it's my home now and it's quote unquote the most peaceful place I've ever been yeah I'm sure yeah so as a little
goodbye get together she cooked and made lasagna for the two of them they slept together and then she headed back home
to Jason and that was that she hadn't heard from him since so they were like oh okay
um have you ever been to the Bates park and ride where Chris and obviously like that's where Chris's car is abandoned
but they don't say that yet to her yeah and she's like not only have I never been there I've actually I've never
heard of that like what's that and they're like oh that's where Chris's car was abandoned now Kelly seemed confident
in what she was saying she definitely like seemed to be like calm and shooting the [ __ ] with them at this point but
they're trained investigators and they're there's something off about her and they just can't put their finger on
it but what didn't help was that like I said they had just been to Chris Regan's
apartment and there was no sign of leftover lasagna anywhere and remember she said she made him a lasagna yeah and
the dirty dishes Left Behind like I said were from takeout yeah not lasagna but you can't arrest somebody for lying
about lasagna as far as I know so as a mental note they were like you know what let's just keep tabs on Kelly and they
said oh they also said would you be willing to take a lie detector test before they wrapped up the interview
yeah she declined oh of course she said no thanks of course which you know we say all the time that is your right you
can decline a lie detector test but it makes you look so suspicious it makes you look sus but then at the same time
you can understand why somebody would because there's like false positives all the time yeah exactly I've personally
never done a lie detector test good to know I am terrified of them because like if someone asked me a serious question
Under Pressure like I'm like I could like I don't know I'm like I don't know how it works because I think
what it I don't know like exactly how it works so don't quote me but it like senses different stuff in your body that
like your flight or flight and if you're nervous of course it's gonna like skew it so sometimes people will say no to it
but then you're right at the same time you look suspicious so it's such a catch time I do love those YouTube videos of
the celebrities taking the lie detector tests oh I didn't even know they have one with the Muppets and I definitely
suggest you um watch again because it's wicked funny anyways all right I think it's big bird I think
it was Big Bird it takes a lot yeah yes that's hilarious does he pass spoiler alert I think so I don't know I'm gonna
watch it later all right cool all right well so we wrap up Kelly's interview they're like hey you want to
take a lie detector test she's like nah I know my rights and they go in to interview Jason now like I said these
are two very different interviews and Jason's interview goes completely differently than Kelly's did like I said
Kelly she was cool as a cucumber Jason walks in and is crying almost immediately oh my God red flag red flag
red flag yeah and he explains to the investigators through his shaky voice that he was seeing a therapist for
anxiety and that he was also taking something for anxiety and he mentioned that he had spent about five days in a
mental facility because he was suicidal now that was something the investigators
actually heard when they were asking about Chris Regan at he and Kelly's work and some of Kelly and Chris's co-workers
after telling the investigators about their Affair also mentioned that Kelly had been out of work recently and it was
because she was going through some marital issues at home and the investigators later learned from
the company's management that the marital issues were a lot more serious than just like a little spat that she
and Jason had been into Kelly had actually told her boss that she could not come in one day because not only was
her husband suicidal but he was planning to kill her before he killed himself oh
yeah so when Jason was asked about this he said that he never had any thoughts about killing Kelly but yes he had been
suicidal which was sad and the rest of his interview consisted of the investigators asking him about Kelly's
extramarital Affairs okay now Kelly made it seem like he was totally fine with the situation but his body language and
his attitude seemed to say something different yeah and they asked him they say have you ever met Chris and he says
no I haven't but I did walk past his apartment one day when Kelly was there and they were like well why did you walk
past his apartment yeah and there and he was like I don't know like I just did and they were like it's like you can't
just you can't just say that and then and not have a reason uh yeah so he was like I don't know I just walked by like
I knew that she was there and they were like oh well like were you angry and he was like No And they were like okay like
so yeah sounds good and then they were like would you want to take a lie detector test and he also declined
but the weirdness of the entire situation had police chief Laura frizzo pretty convinced that these two at least
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wanted in for an interview was the man that Kelly had mentioned in her interview uh the person from work that
she had been sleeping with that was not Chris Regan but was Eric okay this was Eric Erickson
now Eric yes great name Eric agreed to come to the station and he was actually super Cooperative with investigators
okay he agreed to take a lie detector test which he passed and he told them something interesting about his
relationship with Kelly that literally proved she was lying about at least one thing
she did know where the park and ride was because Eric told the investigators that
she would come along with him and they would go down to this little Lake Area across from the park and ride because it
was like a scenic view and they would hook up there wow why would she lie about the park and ride if she had
nothing to hide that's such an innocuous thing to lie about yeah unless you have
a [ __ ] reason exactly so after Eric's interview Kelly and Jason were brought in for another round of questioning and
Kelly would not budge when it was revealed that investigators had spoken with Eric and knew that the two of them
drove right past the park and ride every time they'd go hook up on the Serene waterscape but Jason again he too stuck
with his same story but at the same time it was becoming clearer and clearer how
nervous he was getting and chief Rizzo felt like getting a search warrant for Kelly and Jason's home would be the move
if she wanted to get any further in this investigation so that's what just what she did okay and this is where Drew [ __ ]
gets so real God I'm so nervous you're gonna want to quit but you can't oh man so the search warrant was served on
March 15 2015 about five months after Chris had gone missing the officer is conducting the search made sure to ask
about any weapons on the home before they had Kelly and Jason leave and Kelly told them that there was a loaded 22 she
kept under their TV console and neglected to mention any other mention of any other weapon that was the only
one she said they had oh okay so I'm assuming there's gonna be more I don't know so she and Jason obviously like I
was just saying they could not be present for the search so they went across the street to stay with their
neighbors this search lasted about 12 hours and Kelly and Jason's neighbor said that Jason specifically while he
was waiting over across the street with them he became more and more nervous as time went on one neighbor who was
interviewed for that documentary I mentioned at the top dead North said of Jason quilt he's not the same person
that I knew from that point on he was dead silent and beat red scared you could tell that he was scared wow and
for the first time even Kelly seemed a little bit nervous but at the same time she was still pretty chatty but she she
kept kind of like saying things to Jason that the other people like couldn't really hear and they were like some
things weird here it's like that case that you did um it was very publicized um the mom with the kids that went
missing this was like last year oh Lori valo yeah her husband house he would look like super suspicious like in
interviews and court and stuff and she always seemed like pretty yeah that's like it reminds me of that yeah yeah I
could see that definitely um actually yeah that's kind of they have there there are some similarities
between the two of them I would say yeah but so again Kelly had only told the officers about one gun in the house when
she was asked about weapons um what she didn't tell them was that there was literally knives all over the place oh
my God and swords swords swords wow Jason was apparently really into collecting those and they were scattered
all across this home there was also another gun that was discovered in one of the upstairs rooms I believe this was
a shotgun there was a hammer that was just like laying around yeah in a baseball bat all right all weapons yeah
but the biggest discovery of all was when luminol testing was done you know what luminal testing is
um is that the blood the blood testing yeah so they are like I don't they like put luminal on it and then they use the
black light yeah yeah yeah so they do luminal testing um and what seemed to be cast off was
discovered in the living room cast off so cast off I wish Elena was here to explain this better I'm gonna do my best
but cast off is basically if you like hit somebody and then you swing back the cast off is from your swing back motion
I believe and it's like what it's like a spider across the surface okay yeah so they found cast off on the living room
ceiling and not only did the ceiling light up like the biggest strip but so did some of the back panels on one of
the living room walls but the only problem was the area had been freshly painted over both areas where blood was
discovered of course so when the blood was tested at the forensics lab they weren't able to determine whose blood it
was or even if it was human blood because the paint had contaminated the samples so much but like
come on yeah I mean that should just be like it's solved right there when you see all that like you wish it could be
like this man goes missing his car is abandoned a lot you claim not to know about then it turns out you do know the
lot very well inside his abandoned car there is a Post-It note with directions to your home yeah you were having an
affair with said man and your husband doesn't seem please he checks himself into a mental facility days after the
man you're having an affair with goes missing and then blood is found on your ceiling I'm willing to bet that you did
something to that man yeah and just to add to the long list of things that seem to incriminate Kelly and Jason are you
ready no they left town in the morning after their home was searched of course the morning after their home
was searched are you like not supposed to leave when stuff like that's happening or if you're like yeah no I'm
not totally sure I mean it doesn't look good like I'm sure they would prefer if you didn't yeah but yeah they can find
you because luckily I'm not in this obviously isn't the case with every case but in this case they were worried about
them fleeing especially after they had found what they did yeah so they a couple of pis were actually also working
on this case along with the Iron River PD because the Iron River PD is super small so what's pi a private
investigator got it so two pis actually put a GPS tracker on the Kelly and Jason's truck during the search oh good
so when they realized that they had left the next morning they just looked at like the data and they could see exactly
where they were going they were going back to Indiana where they were from oh yeah now that was not ideal but the good
thing was that with Kelly and Jason out of the neighborhood the neighbor seemed more willing to come forward and talk
about some of the things that they had heard and smelled in the days following Chris's disappearance ew smelled yeah
this is the part where I told you it's gonna get a little rough okay and here we go one neighbor said that one night
around the time Chris disappeared she actually heard what sounded like a gunshot like in the middle of the night
and then she heard screaming and so she peeked out of her windows and she said it wasn't super clear because there were
some trees obstructing her view but she heard a car door slam and then saw a parked car sitting there like running
with its headlights on she then at this point heard a woman go no no and then heard a man yell let's
get out of here and at that point two cars pulled away from the direction of Kelly and Jason's home and left wow and
then in the nights following that strange event the woman and her grandchildren that who were adults
thankfully that lived across the street heard what sounded like power tools working all throughout the night
that's scary and what's scarier is that these power tools wouldn't start until about two or three in the morning and
then they would go until like all the way like the early hours of the morning like probably end at like five I would
say yeah and the grandson who lived across the street again an adult thankfully David he said that he heard
what it sounded like saws drills and Hammers and then that's crazy it really and when a neighborhood like and I've
noticed this like in our neighborhood when it's quiet and like it's like late at night and I'm sitting outside and
it's quiet I can hear stuff down the street it's like crazy so like to use power tools you're waking up the entire
neighborhood of course you are like try to be a little more discreet I'm glad you were and that's the thing like
obviously we're happy that she wasn't just great about this but it's like oh my God yeah
um and then another neighbor his name was Gary and you can see him if you watch the documentary he said that he
smelled a strange smell one day right around the same time again the time period that he realized Chris was
missing later on and he said that smell was definitely coming from Kelly and Jason's home so he walked over and he
was like what are you burning and why does it smell so bad yeah he said he had never smelled anything like it before
but that when he approached Kelly she did seem a bit nervous and said it doesn't smell that bad does it oh my God
and he's like that's such a weird response yeah like what oops I'm throwing my phone sorry like why
wouldn't you just be like I don't even know what you would say like why wouldn't maybe you just shouldn't be
burning something because you're acknowledging the fact that it smells so like what is it yeah exactly so Gary was
not interested in going back and forth with her he's like what the [ __ ] are you
doing and he's like gee Kelly I don't know like should we get the cops down here to smell it and decide for
themselves oh my God and at that point Kelly was like oh no no I'm just gonna I'll put it out right away I'm so sorry
about that but the smell was still lingering and Gary said it was throughout the entire neighborhood but
he was like he didn't want to start something you know so he's like it smells but like she's that's so so weird
like a smell that lingers through a neighborhood like yeah I mean we'll think about it like in our neighborhood
like you can smell if our neighbors are having like a fire or something yeah so I mean realistically what we're talking
about here is she's burning human remains yeah like that I think of like a smell like the smell of a fire you're
gonna smell but yeah human remains like yeah come on and that's horrific to do that number one and then to subject your
entire neighborhood to that yeah so and that was not the least of the or that was not the last excuse me of the
neighborhood complaints the family who let Kelly and Jason stay with them while their home was being searched the same
on the same family that heard the power tools going through the night yeah they were actually pretty friendly with Kelly
and Jason before all this started happening I mean obviously they were like yeah you can stay here while your
house is being searched yeah so they were told that the reason for all the power tool usage was because the
cochrons were just doing some remodeling um two to three a.m is a weird time for
2 A.M like what but they did know that Kelly worked long days at the factory so I think they were just like maybe that's
the only time she has to remodel weird I also think this is the kind of area I mean this is like way up there yeah I
think this is just one of those places where like you try to keep your nose out of other people's business you know yeah
so and like not that that's a good thing or a bad thing I think it's just the way
it is yeah and like I personally also like to keep my nose out of other people's business but I don't know
anyways it's not it's not about me so one day after all this weirdness with the loud noises and the power tools and
the leaving in the middle of the night Kelly and Jason invite their neighbors those neighbors across the street over
for a barbecue and the neighbors get there they said they had never been invited over for a barbecue yeah like
they're trying to prove something yeah I don't know they're they're like sorry for all the noise let's have a barbecue
wow and the neighbor said that there had to have been at least 150 to 200 worth of meat there when they arrived
what kind of meat exactly but 150 to 200 worth of meat just for them in the cochrons like there was like I don't
know maybe like two or three at most four of them plus Kelly and Jason's like what is that six seven people yeah you
don't need that much meat no that's a lot and it was like they were Burgers but they were like oh no so they said
these neighbors that these burgers were not like anything they had ever tasted before they said the meat was
transparent they would later compare it to Lobster meat which oh my God I'm like
oh I know and then they said it didn't taste like the ground beef that they were used to so they asked they were
like oh like is this just like burger meat like what is this yeah and Jason said oh I used to be a butcher back when
we lived in Indiana and one of my specialties is exotic meat of course it is exotic meat like yeah like please
explain exotic meat from there Indiana what are you talking about I mean I don't like meat from Indiana Caleb watch
out for real so if that was the case they thought then why was this the first time they were ever invited over for a
barbecue like you're you used to be a butcher and this is the first time you're inviting us over yeah it's like
convenient that you used to be a butcher sorry like what okay so when people started talking more and more about
Kelly and Jason and their connection to the missing man and then their sudden departure of town this guy David started
thinking more and more about this barbecue and he later said we were always wondering if they were the kind
of people that actually did Kill the guy and butcher him up and had us over for dinner I believe we ate him
they ate the meat they ate it yeah I mean like they tasted it like they were like oh I think this is this like lot
like this is like lobster meat what is this and the guy said it was exotic so they were like okay and this poor man in
the documentary he goes a little deeper into it and from the sounds of it like this might have happened if if I went to
someone's house and they served me what they said exotic meat I would be like bye like I would literally think you
would but yeah in the moment you might know you know yeah I can see how this happens I mean I've been at like friends
houses before and like I mean different cultures eat differently so I might be true like trying something that I've
never had before and they could say like oh it's this exotic meat and then I mean
I don't eat meat anymore thankfully so I'd be like Oh I'm good but yeah I don't know that's is there any way to find out
that you've eaten human uh not to my knowledge and that's the thing like you don't have any way of
really knowing whether or not you did but like you have that experience to look back on yeah and I was just saying
like that guy in the documentary again he goes a little further into it I believe his name was David and he was
saying like after he realized that this may have been what was done to him which
like that's a crime in and of itself I would think like doing that to somebody else it's like Catherine Knight doing it
but who's Catherine Knight um she's like Australian scary Nana listen to that episode Drew scary Nana
yeah she listened to the episode okay I will get all into it sorry I'm just kidding but she may have um she tried to
like serve her husband for dinner to his children which is so horrific like that
that should carry its own yeah charge well I don't know if it does or not what was the movie We just watched about the
cannibal oh God fresh yeah that was a really good movie but like that will change yeah just like yeah be prepared
for cannibalism yeah terrific but this guy again in the documentary David he David stop
he still changed him for a while like he literally he lost a ton of weight because he just couldn't eat without
thinking that he possibly yeah even a man yeah I mean that could do some things like yeah seriously so
back to the story while Kelly and Jason were running off to Indiana Again their house is still able to be searched and
the investigators were sifting through everything in the hopes they'd find something more incriminating that could
actually lead them to an arrest because yes there's blood spatter in the house but we don't know if it's human or
animal it's so contaminated yeah it can't we can't really just use that you know so they're looking around and one
day they're there and police chief Laura frizzo she's in the basement of the home
and she sees this notebook in the corner as she's going through stuff and this notebook belongs to Jason
he would write these stories like these really super creepy stories and one of them was entitled where monsters hide
which again is that book that I read for this not Jason's book a different book yeah and he would basically write these
short stories where he would make himself the Hunter and then he introduced a character that was like
very clearly supposed to be Chris Regan he talks about hunting this person and the quote-unquote tingle feeling that a
hunter gets as he's stalking his prey and getting ready to kill and then in the last chapter he talks
about an unwanting get excuse me an unwanted guest showing up and how the wife Saves the Day
and the notebook story even references a cookout after this unwanted guest is quote unquote gone
he literally wrote like the next day there's a cookout what so Laura's like what the [ __ ] and she's like you know
what we need to get the FBI involved in this because we're uncovering more and more within this home and it's clear
these people are responsible for Chris Regan's disappearance and yeah like most likely murder but they're like we need
to get more hands on deck and make sure we have a slam dunk case when it comes time to arrest these people and bring
them to trial yeah so they searched a nearby body of water and they actually found a burn barrel that was weighed
down with a cement block and tied to it with a clothing line interestingly enough that clothing line
used to be hung up in the backyard of the Cochran's residence and neighbors confirmed it was taken down right around
the time that Chris went missing and that burn barrel which they didn't find anything in but it belonged to Chris or
excuse me I'm sorry it belonged to Kelly and Jason Cochran wow so the burn barrel and the clothes
the clothes thing around it yeah wow now again nothing in the burn barrel but there was another Discovery to be made
because the FBI was able to use GPS from Chris's car to show that he was actually
at Kelly and Jason's home the day he went missing on October 14th when all of his everything stopped the baking
activity the texting activity yeah and they were able to determine that was the last place his car went before it was
driven to the park and ride of course it was yeah which I'm like kind of shocking
that they weren't able to get anything from the car that said like Kelly or Jason drove it there which kind of leads
you to believe and there's other things in this case that we'll get into later that will lead you to believe these
people might have done something like this before really like how are you gonna drive a
car and abandon it and leave nothing behind yeah that's like wild like it's clear
that they were the ones that drove it there if the last place um Chris went was their house right
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[Music] so with that Discovery Laura frizzo decided she needed to get some warrants
for some DNA so she phoned the police over in Indiana to let them know that Kelly and Jason were both like lead
suspects in a misin person missing person's investigation and luckily we don't see this all the time as you
listeners snail as the weirdos know but the police over there they agreed to help in any way that they possibly could
which is shocking like obviously you listen to most morbid episodes but I feel like have a lot of the times the
police departments are not working are not willing to work together yeah no but I think this is such a different case
too where it's like clear that these two people were involved in it so they were
willing to help and once Laura got her DNA warrant she actually headed on over to Indiana herself to swab some cheeks
so the police in Indiana had picked Kelly and Jason up explaining about the warrant for DNA but what they didn't do
was tell them that Laura frizzo somebody they knew and pretty much [ __ ] loathed at this point she was here to
chat so they're all set up in the interview room and they're just expecting probably like an officer to
come in and swab their cheeks yeah and Laura walks in amazing and they're separated again so like yeah it's Jason
first and then it's Kelly yeah so she walks into the interview room like Madison Montgomery from aha's coven
going surprise [ __ ] I thought you'd Seen the Last of Me I bet you thought you'd Seen the Last of Me So she does
this first in the interview with Jason who looked pissed yeah and after answering just a couple of questions he
said I know my rights I'm not answering anything else I want a lawyer all right so yeah like again one of those things
where like yes that is your right to a lawyer but like in this case you're looking Shady yeah yeah and then Kelly
then was Madison Montgomery by Laura Frizzell and Laura told her she's like listen I've caught you in a ton of Lies
up to this point like do you want me to just lay them out on the table I know what happened yeah and she suggested you
know maybe Jason was the one to kill Chris in a jealous rage and you're covering for him like I can help you but
this is the last chance you have like if you don't come clean to me right now I'm
not interested in helping you any further Laura frizzo is a bad [ __ ] watching her
in this documentary I was like yeah girl is Kelly gonna blame it on Jason I don't
know so Laura tells her again this is your chance to come clean we're gonna figure this out you Kelly's like no and
she asks for a lawyer if she's going to be held any further okay and unfortunately she couldn't be held any
further that night they just really didn't have a lot like they could have arrested her at that point for murder
but they really don't have enough it's they have a good amount of circumstantial evidence but like they
want to make sure that this is they need like a case yeah so they need like a Smoking Gun essentially yeah so again
Laura just has a gut feeling and she and this time she says I feel like something's gonna happen between Kelly
and Jason in in Indiana like something's gonna go down and it's not going to be good oh man and her gutless correct
because just about a year after they fled to Indiana the Indiana police got a 9-1-1 call from one Kelly Cochran she
sounded super stressed out but still under control and she explains that she needs an ambulance to her house right
away because her husband is not breathing Jason okay so the EMTs and the other First Responders they make it to
the scene but it's almost like Kelly's trying to hold them back from getting to her husband she's like getting in the
way of anybody who's approaching approaching Jason she's asking them questions she's trying to explain stuff
but she's literally like using her body to get forcefully in the way of them oh so and obviously all they're concerned
with at this point is treating Jason so Kelly actually had to be removed from the room yeah and put to stay in another
room which was put down in the report they were like she was being weird as [ __ ] yeah and they got to Jason they
realize that there's some drug paraphernalia in the room with him uh it was heroin paraphernalia wow and it was
when he when Jason's body was later autopsied it was clear that he died from a heroin overdose like he had a massive
amount of heroin in his system but upon closer look that was not the only factor
in in his death and they like the investigators working this case told the medical examiner sure I'm like there's
definitely like heroin in his system but please look out for things that say homicide because we're not so sure here
yeah so he did a super thorough search of this man and he finds petechial hemorrhaging in Jason's eyes like around
Jason's eyes in a particular hemorrhaging happens when you are choked or strangled oh and they also realize
that Jason's sinus cavities so like right here yeah is completely collapsed meaning that there was evidence of
strangulation here in addition to the overdose but there's like no sign like on his neck or anything no sign on his
neck but you'll see what happens so the death was determined to homicide due to heroin
overdose and asphyxiation and clearly Kelly was the one responsible but the police needed to work carefully if they
were going to prove that she did while also proving that she was involved with Chris Regan's death I'm actually not
sure if I say it later so I'll just say it now they think that she used like a pillow to smother him but she put so
much pressure on the pillow that that's how his sinus cavities um okay like smashed him that's he
couldn't breathe so his eyes the particular hemorrhages that's what happened got it so they're like
obviously she did this but we need again we need more to prove it yeah so around
the same time sorry go ahead I don't understand like like what more do they need
they need like again they could go to trial but this with all the circumstantial evidence but it's really
kind of like um I'm trying to think of like the right adjective it's it's a toss-up going to
trial with purely circumstantial evidence because I think maybe they could have gotten a jury with this like
with all the circumstantial evidence they did have but there's still that question of is there a reasonable doubt
like could somebody else have done this so they want something straight up okay straight up true so around the same time
a new officer was actually brought on the case and this is Officer Jeremy Ogden I believe is how you say his last
name he's freaking adorable and there's a little romance later but let's get to the let's save it for the end so Jeremy
kind of fills the role of good cop because at this point Kelly's done with officer Laura frizzo and chief frizzo
knew that she wasn't going to get anywhere interviewing Kelly herself at this point especially because she's like
I should like her previous interview she's like I laid it all on the table that I'd caught her in all these lies
yeah she's gonna know that I'm looking to catch her in more lies so I need a good cop on my side
so now Ogden can focus on that and she could keep searching the Cochran's resonance for more now eventually the
FBI did uncover more evidence within that home okay part of a man's pair of jeans were found like the metal bits
including the zipper as well as the blade of a reciprocating saw was found in a burn pit Outback
so they find like metal bits of a man's jeans and the blade of a reciprocating saw in a burn pit outside of Kelly and
Jason's house and the reason they couldn't see this was before was because again we're in like the Upper Peninsula
it was snowy as [ __ ] yeah so all the snow melted and then they find this okay so the genes unfortunately couldn't be
linked directly to Chris Regan and the blade was so burnt that there was no possibility they were going to get any
kind of DNA from it oh man a damning find but a frustrating one at the same time yeah and then also they found a
blue rabbit's foot under the front porch so somebody had like literally gone under the front porch and like shoved
this underneath there and Terry said that that blue rabbit's foot belonged to Chris she said that he did
like he probably wouldn't have wanted people to know it but he was a very superstitious man and he would carry it
with him for luck okay which is like obviously that's his yeah and that's so sad so again the police want something
more solid and luckily they got just that when a friend of Jason's came forward and said he wanted to help in
this investigation so he had heard about everything that was going on and he kind of got to the
point too where he wondered not only had his friend been involved in Chris Regan's death but was Kelly the one
responsible for killing his friend yeah so he phones up the police and he says I'm willing to help and Jeremy Ogden
comes up with a master plan this friend Walt was to call Kelly and tell her that
before Jason died he had given Walt this envelope and told him that there was a letter and a note inside explaining
everything and that if anything bad were to happen to him Jason that Walt should
open the envelope so this was all fake this had never happened this was Jeremy Ogden's plan to try to
get Kelly okay so he has Walt call Kelly and basically like explain like I got this note from Jason and he said I
should open it if anything happened to him to get like to get her freaked out the fake note from Jason quote unquote
again not really from him explained that he and Kelly were involved in Chris Regan's disappearance and that Walt
needed to send this letter to the Iron River Police Department so Walt calls Kelly while so sorry Walt
explains this whole thing to Kelly unbeknownst to her he is sitting in a cop car on a recorded line literally
right next to officer Jeremy Ogden well and Kelly's answer is damning when Walt said you know I really just want to let
you know before I go ahead and send this out Kelly responds please don't please don't send that letter because
she knows yeah that this letter this fake letter like she doesn't know it's fake but she knows that it's explained
everything or she thinks it explains everything that's what they did so they got her so they got her she starts
absolutely cracking at this point she's calling and texting Jeremy Ogden incessantly telling him about this
letter obviously he knows full well about this letter because he [ __ ] made it up in the first place but Kelly
she thinks it's real and she's like [ __ ] like my days as a free woman are gonna
come to an end once that letter ends up in the hands of the Iron River PD yeah it was then that she came down to the
station and after a little more good cop I understand act from Jeremy Ogden she confesses and she says Jason shot Chris
in the head on October 14th after I lured him over with the promise of a hookup so it was planned yeah it was all
planned wow she explains in further detail that she was actually supposed to be the one to kill Chris but she
couldn't do it because she really did have feelings for him you see she and Jason she said had made this
pact on their wedding night that if on their wedding night that if one of them was to ever have an affair the person
who was cheating on the other person that person who was having the affair would have to kill the person that they
were cheating with if the other person found out about the infidelity what kind of packed is that and to go through with
it like not only like what kind of exactly exactly what kind of pact is that and like why would you go through
this seriously and also why is that the conversation you're having on your wedding night
on our wedding night I don't want to come up with a package no I don't want to make a packed period
that's some like messed up like to go through with that yeah it's like to be to make The Pact and then years later
still hold it as seriously like yeah crazy this was in 2002 that they allegedly made this pack because again
you know Jason's not here to say whether he did this or not but maybe they did but 2002 and then you kill the man and I
believe it was 2014. like yeah what wow and she said she was like I didn't take it seriously but like Jason did but it's
like obviously you took it seriously it's the reason you killed it or you either killed or were involved in this
man yeah so does she confess what happened to Jason we'll get there okay I'm sorry I'm just kidding but I'm glad
we've agreed that we're not gonna make anything yeah that's not happening so the other thing
is like you just vow like not to cheat on each other exactly like we don't have to get any further
into it than that like I vow that you're mine for yeah awesome super stoked about
that let's just like eat some cake and dance and then I don't know yeah like why I don't even get it I don't even
know yeah so she later said she had no idea that Jason was home when she brought Chris over so they're like so
wait you were supposed to have this whole plan where like you're gonna lure him over for with the promise of sex and
your husband's gonna shoot him but then you say you bring this man to your house
he's like allegedly had never been there before and you didn't know Jason was Hall which
is it Kelly yeah she starts telling these like stories that just completely differentiate from one another okay so
yeah she says I had no idea that Jason was even home when I brought Chris over and she said they were fooling around in
the front entryway of her home it's a little hard to describe this part but again if you watch that documentary she
actually recreates this it's very harrowing so she says they're fooling around in the front entry room she said
like they couldn't even make it to where they were headed and that as they're about to walk up there's some steps that
lead into the kitchen they're about to walk up those steps to make their way into a more private setting at that
point Jason appeared from them and behind the front entryway so if you walk pretend like you're walking into the
house and on one side there's stairs that lead to a basement let's just say to your left for shits and giggles on
the left there's stairs that lead to the basement and on the right there's a couple steps that lead into the kitchen
so they're fooling around in the entryway little quote unquote little does she know it but Jason is hiding in
the basement area and as they turn to walk up into the kitchen Jason is behind them at this point and shoots Chris
according to Kelly okay she says then after Chris was shot that he stumbles backwards which I don't know about that
but from the force of the shot and he falls downstairs into the basement and then at this point Jason demands that
Kelly help him cover everything up and that after he was done dismembering the body she was to clean the basement the
entire basement with a toothbrush wow yeah but there were problems with her story
if they had this packed then why would Kelly have even brought Chris to her home and less to follow through with it
like he had never been there before they always went to Chris's house yeah and I
was gonna say like if you had this packed why do it in your house exactly other than if if you have this packed
and you're bringing him to your house you know what's gonna happen yeah yeah exactly and then the other thing that
doesn't really make any sense at all is that there was no blood found in the basement remember all of that cast off
was found in the living room so the and it just doesn't make any sense at all investigators believed that Jason did
shoot Chris but believed that Kelly knew that this was the plan all along and her
role in it was to keep Chris distracted which is what I believe okay now personally I don't believe that all of
this happened in the front entryway I think that they got further into the house and then Chris or excuse me and
then Jason came up from behind when they were in like an entirely different room
and maybe even an entirely different situation but nonetheless they wanted her to lead
them to the body the investigators which she said and this is horrible I'm I hate
that this happened to this poor man she said that his body was separated into large black trash bags and brought to a
wooded area where the bags were scattered and she was the one that brought the body to this area
now the night that she confessed she went back to Michigan with Jeremy Ogden to recreate their murder scene like I
was just saying at her house yeah and to also show him the area where they found
the body um it was too late to go into the woods and start looking for the body like they
wanted to go back in daylight yeah and Kelly was supposed to meet up with the detectives again the next day so that
they could go over more of her story but just like she had with Jason a year previous Kelly skipped town yep of
course she did I'm like she's already done it once of course she's going to just the fact that she was out like free
and she had confessed that she knew like what happened I don't get that I think they were just trying to play nice with
her and I'm sure they were also trying their best to keep tabs on her but like as we know sometimes these people get
away yeah I think they were what they were trying to do was play nice with her and you know so that they could get more
out of her because I think they knew the second that they arrested her that was it yeah because they still had to figure
out what happened to Jason exactly yeah and that and that's my assumption I'm not sure if that's exactly why but based
on what I read and watched I think that had a lot to do with it yeah but thankfully she was dumb about it and she
got cocky which we know is always the downfall of these freaking people murderers they think that they're
smarter than the detectives working the case and that they have the upper hand but then they go and do something silly
because they have this like false sense of confidence going which is exactly what happened in Kelly's case she
started texting detective Ogden taunting him about how she knew she was getting away and she sends him a photo and says
the West Coast looks good this time of day since this man a [ __ ] selfie like he wants to see you and she made it seem
like she was off somewhere in California um little did this [ __ ] no text messages can be traced obviously like we
triangulate the [ __ ] all the time yeah and hers was traced to a little area in
Kentucky where she was promptly arrested and brought back to Michigan finally she's arrested good so she does end up
leading them to the area where she uh where she said Chris's body was disposed of and they were able to find a skull
and obviously it was determined to be Chris Regan's skull now she also took them back to her home and they she
showed them a pair of forceps that was just like lying by the kitchen uh sink for some reason like I don't think
anybody really thought much of these before yeah and she was the one to point them out and she said Jason had forced
her to use those forceps to try to remove the bullet from Chris's skull because had they left the bullet behind
like it would be easier yeah if he was found to know what gun had killed him so that's why they wanted to do that yeah
it was unsuccessful but Kelly said there might be some kind of DNA on them because she had attempted to do this
by now she knew she was caught and she started fully leaning into the evil part of her that she'd been able to hide away
throughout this entire case she would switch back and forth though she'd say Jason was the one behind the entire plan
and that that's how this all happened and then she would say it was always her and that she'd always been like this
like she couldn't feel things yeah she said she couldn't feel things like other people did she even wanted to say this
was like the weirdest part she said she got a thrill from blood but she did want
to specify that she quote unquote wasn't a vampire or some weird [ __ ] like that
ma'am you're a whole ass murderer yeah that is um and like on some weird [ __ ] yeah like you're not a vampire but you
sure as hell are a cannibal well yeah like what or like you get some thrill out of watching other people yeah on the
notes to memory like eating that meat that's such like an interesting like I'm not a vampire don't even think of that
no it's not funny is not the right way it's so ironic I guess you would say like this happens all the time in these
cases that we do where the people are like well I I did this but like I would never do that yeah people that like kill
children are like I would never you know eat them or like punch them yeah it's like oh that makes it better right like
no no not at all like it's I'm glad you didn't suck anyone's blood but um you took someone's life so yeah same deal
brother wow now sure enough and thankfully because at this point I mean now we've got the skull and like so like
she's she's going away but then even more on top of that Chris's blood was found those forceps so Kelly was facing
not only one murder charge for the death of her husband at this point because they know that she's done this she's the
only one in the home yeah and now she's facing a second murder charge for Chris Regan and again also her husband Jason
Cochran so while she's incarcerated she tells the cops that she and Jason had killed before and that she had quote
unquote friends that were buried all across the world we have Indiana Michigan Minnesota and Tennessee and she
all over the world yeah all over the world I'm like that's actually is that just like the four states in the midwest
yeah it's just the Midwest bro she refused to give any names or locations of these bodies at first but she later
wrote a list with 21 names of the people that she said that she and Jason had killed and then in a shocking Revelation
her brother went to the police and told them that he had been suspicious over the years of Kelly and Jason and he
believed that he had that the two of them had killed at least nine people across the states that Kelly had
mentioned so there is a possibility that that could be the truth yeah but unfortunately even if it is the truth
Kelly will not be prosecuted for any more murders in Indiana she took a plea deal during Jason's
murder trial that basically says if she gives the police information on the whereabouts of any more victims she
cannot face any more charges in Indiana so like she can face charges like in the
other states yes she can between the two murders Kelly was found guilty on multiple counts including murder home
invasion because they believe that she actually may have gone to Chris's home and like got some [ __ ] out of the house
and like [ __ ] with it because his Percocets were missing uh all of his medication was accounted for except for
percocets wow um she was also charged with conspiracy to commit bodies disinterm excuse me to
commit bodies disintermined and mutilation uh concealing the death of an individual lying to a police officer an
accessory to murder after the fact she didn't oh sorry did you have a question no I was just gonna say yep
that sounds about right you're gonna say yeah that's that's all of those uh she didn't have to go on trial for Jason's
murder and instead they just tacked on 65 years for his murder onto her life sentence that she received for Chris's
murder okay so she got life plus 65. so they didn't even have to like they're like we know you did that yeah exactly
um and she like confesses at one point she said she did it because he took the only thing that she ever loved away from
her which was Chris but she exactly go ahead but she planned that she played well she there's a pact
there's a pack she said that she planned it but she also says that she can't feel
so like if you can't feel then you weren't in love yeah exactly it doesn't make any sense she's just wild now
so Terry remember Terry O'Donnell from the beginning Chris's ex-girlfriend who like they it seemed like they were gonna
start their relationship again like it seemed like they were working on it because remember she was gonna spend
Thanksgiving with him before he moved when he moved excuse me but and they were long time friends anyway and she
said of Kelly during the trial the first time I saw her was excuse me the first time I saw her was in the courthouse I
just remember her staring at me and grinning like she had the audacity to grin at this what the hell Terry said I
took a deep breath and thought she was the scariest person I had ever seen I was afraid I couldn't look at her for
the rest of the time I was there testifying it was like she was laughing and saying look what I did you can't
stop me she just sat there and grinned it was like the devil looking at you and after I testified I lost it I totally
lost it I just remember driving speeding not knowing if I had crossed the border
I didn't know if I was in Wisconsin or Michigan I didn't know what to do I just wanted to run as far away from Kelly as
possible yeah I would too yeah I don't blame her at all so Kelly is currently being held
at the woman's Huron Valley Correctional Facility it's in Pittsfield Charter Township Michigan she apparently spends
her time turning her glasses into Shanks and threatening to kill anybody who comes near her all right yeah I was like
maybe we should like take her glasses away but I think she has the right to those unfortunately Laura frizzo
believes just like I do 100 that Kelly has killed before and she actually has a theory because Kelly has 14 butterfly
tattoos that are representative she said of people that she's lost in her life but Laura frizzo has a theory that these
14 butterflies are actually representative for people that she's killed yay Laura was absolutely haunted while
going through the Cochran's home when she made this realization because it was like a glass shatter moment the entire
home inside and out is decorated with butterflies oh my God and this is nuts this is crazy are you ready no so Laura
was recreating the scene for that documentary dead North yeah and she is out in the area where they had
originally found Chris's skull and as they're out there kind of recreating this moment yeah the crew actually finds
another piece of human remains was later tested and confirmed to be Chris Regan's
lower jaw so they found more of him while they were out there wow now this was one of
the biggest investigations and the most one of the most successful in Laura's career yeah but for some reason after
Kelly's conviction the city manager dismissed Laura from her duties she was fired as police chief
oh this guy had a long history when it came to being gross in the workplace especially with women and Laura felt as
though he was threatened by the fact that she was a woman who was good at her job so he just got rid of her oh because
she just solved a huge case she just solved a huge case she was also the first female police officer to be hired
within that division yeah like of course I think let her go like yeah when she actually did something amazing for the
community exactly because he didn't want her because she technically was not a homicide detective and he didn't want
her spending as much time as she did on the Chris Regan investigation but it's like she brought the man home and put
the killer Behind Bars Aaron brockoviched it she did like well you have to be mad about yeah
um and that's the thing the entire Iron River Community was behind her and they were so impressed with the investigation
that she was able to carry out like they were they were literally making posters
like let Chief uh frizzo like do her job leave her alone yeah but the def the decision was the city manager David
thares to make and it was Final wow so after all her hard work in this investigation she got fired
um but she and Jeremy Ogden ended up together they met through the investigation and she felt like it was
like kind of the universe bringing them together yeah that's cute that was like happy
um that's like the only happy thing within this um Kelly has not faced any more charges we have not found out if
she has murdered more people we haven't found any more bodies and there doesn't seem to be an update on anything related
to her when it comes to this but she has maintained that she has killed more people yeah and like I said she said the
reason she finally turned on Jason was because she really did love Chris Regan and even though again she's incapable of
feeling she says she went on to say he took the only good thing and I had in my life I still hate him and yes it was
Revenge I evened the score what that's like and like I mean I guess I even to the Scorpions
like he killed her man that she loves so she killed him but to me I'm like the score you made The Pact you made The
Pact you knew that if you had an affair he was going to kill the person right or
your [ __ ] no she knew that if she had an affair and he found out she was supposed
to come oh yeah like but either way you knew the person was gonna die like the whole point of that pact so you don't
have a [ __ ] Affair exactly I mean that's like a weird pack don't do that but but for me even the score I'm like
were you keeping tallies like if you believe that other people have been killed like did he ever have an affair
and you killed the person yeah I don't know man because I feel like that's some sick thing where they're just gonna have
affairs and just because they clearly are murderers so they're just gonna keep having an Affairs and killing the people
like I feel like and like even when they moved to Iron River it seemed like super sudden like
Laura frizza was like were they running from something like how did you killed somebody back in Indiana and we're
trying to get away yeah because they would like Bop around all those States so it's like suspicious it's super
suspicious but that is Kelly Cochran the Devil Woman of Michigan and potentially
of many other states in the midwest but like Drew said not the whole world yeah I just um looked up a picture of her and
it makes sense yeah you you feel Terry's uh Terry's Vibe of wanting to run away from here yeah the thing for me that I
mean this whole entire case like rocked my [ __ ] but the butterfly tattoos yeah
that's freaky because it she gives an interview from prison where she says that they're representative of people
that she's lost and you're like but you have so many like and then it's like lost like did
Jason kill those people like like you were having affairs with those people and because of the pact he killed them
or you had to yeah like and then and you're saying that's a lot and like are they gonna try and figure out the people
other people that killed or did she just confess to all of them I mean she confessed to like 21 so I'm sure she's
doing the thing where she thinks it's impressive to have killed more people so I think she's definitely heightening
that number but I would definitely argue that she's probably I think she's killed
more people I don't I don't think she's killed 21 people but yeah and then her brother felt like it was nine people so
there's definitely something within that so yeah no one knows for sure yeah it's
definitely weird but I definitely urge you to go watch that documentary I definitely urge you to go buy that book
where the monsters hide it's it got like it's packed with details so yeah if I missed anything you can uh check it out
in there and yeah I definitely urge you to go watch uh Big Bird's lie detector test on YouTube oh yes I can't forget
that that can be your uh wow you're just delivering palette cleansers now like two people's doors they're like here I'm
gonna tell you what to do for your pellets after this episode if you need to pick me up go watch that there you go
there's back with the cleansers uh and guys we hope that you keep listening and we hope you keep it
weird oh my God I'm so glad that I didn't have to do that alone but not so weird that you um chop somebody up and
you serve them at a barbecue and you run Acro I don't even know just don't do that because it's just too much for my
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When Chris Regan went missing and his car was found abandoned at a local park and ride, many people were concerned. Chris was supposed to be moving from Michigan to North Carolina with his son, a move that he was over the moon about, but then all of the sudden everyone in Chris's life just stopped hearing from him. When his car was searched the detectives would find directions written down that led Chris to the last place he would ever go: Kelly Cochran's home. Where Monters Hide: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851TBNFD/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

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Brief Summary

Kelly Cochran, known as The Devil Woman of Michigan, confesses to murdering Chris Regan after a love affair, revealing a dark pact with her husband Jason.

Key points

Chris Regan's Mysterious Disappearance. Chris Regan goes missing, leading to a tangled web of secrets and lies.
Terry's Distress. Terry O'Donnell reports Chris missing, revealing her deep concern for him.
Chris's Organized Life. Chris was known for his organization, making his messy apartment shocking.
Kelly's Alibi. Kelly claims she was with Chris before he went missing, but her story raises questions.
Jason's Emotional State. Jason's interview reveals his anxiety and past suicidal thoughts, complicating the investigation.
Blood Evidence Found. Blood spatter discovered in the living room ceiling raises serious questions about the case.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

There's just something in her eye.

Police chief observes Terry's emotional state.

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