The Cheshire Murders /// Part 2 /// 155 | Forensic Files

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talk some true crime now [Music] in the early morning hours of July 23 2007 two men broke into the home of Dr
William Pettit Pettit had lived at the home on sorghum Mill Drive and the quiet safe town of Cheshire Connecticut for 20
years at home with Dr Pettit that night was his wife and two daughters the two men found Dr Pettit asleep on a couch in
the sun room they beat him with a baseball bat from there the two men went on to ransack the house and terrorize
the girls this is the nightmarish story of a home invasion and murder Dr pettit's wife Jennifer and two daughters
17 year old Haley an 11 year old Michaela were killed by these two men a few days later at the memorial
services for the three victims Jennifer Pettit and her daughters Haley and Michaela over 4 000 people were present
people came in from several states away all three were buried in white caskets per Bill's request
and somehow Bill still nowhere near having recovered from the physical attack he had been subjected to somehow
bill he had the strength to speak at that service now let's go back to Monday July 23rd
because right after the vehicle stolen by these two men Jennifer's van had crashed into two police cars the
police thankfully arrested those men right so now we have these two guys in custody
the police arrested Joshua Karma sajevski he's he's younger than his partner in crime Stephen Hayes by about
20 years the two of them they shared the same set of issues both of these guys are career criminals they're in and out
of trouble for most of their adult lives they both have problems with alcohol and
drugs now both these guys up to this point were guilty of having committed pretty much just Petty crimes you know
uh breaking into cars stealing cars that was Stephen Hayes's thing within hours of the arrest Stephen Hayes was ready to
confess and tell the police just what went down the how and the why now according to Stephen Hayes the two
men he and Joshua had met at a halfway house and became they became friends of sorts
Hayes would typically commit crimes to feed his alcohol and drug problems but he was looking to quote unquote step up
his game he wanted to start breaking into homes because he was under the impression that you will find more money
and more valuables especially if you go and pick out a nice home and watch it for a while
anyway Joshua is a pro at breaking into homes as a matter of fact that is like his specialty he's been arrested many
times for breaking into homes yeah and I think when he was arrested one time he claimed that he broke into 18 different
homes uh so Joshua starts showing his new friend Stephen Hayes how to pick out a
good house how to break in what to look for all that sort of stuff right in fact
just the day before they broke into the pet it's home the two had broken into several homes
Stephen Hayes was learning new Criminal skills and Joshua was now Joshua now with the help of a partner was scheming
other ways to increase the score plus it's widely believed that he wanted to start committing other types of crimes
rather than just bne and burglary one of the questions becomes why did they pick
the Pettit family well we have a situation Captain where late in the afternoon on Sunday July
22nd 48 year old Jennifer Hawk Pettit she's with her 11 year old daughter Michaela
they went to that Stop and Shop grocery store in Cheshire now during their trip to the grocery
store somehow they attracted the attention of Joshua karmasavjevsky who followed them home he was there waiting
for somebody he said something like um a contractor was supposed to pay him some money or something like that but
anyway he he sees the woman and her child at the store it seems like he may have had some
some attraction to the child he definitely did yeah and he decides to follow them to their home where he
notices that they live in a nice neighborhood and a big house and I think he says quote it looked like a nice
place to be someday yeah Stephen Hayes would tell us that Joshua told him that he had liked the way the 11 year old
girl looked Stephen Hayes messages Joshua he sends him a text message saying hey I'm chomping at the bit to
get started need a margarita soon to which he gets no reply from Joshua Stephen Hayes then texts later saying we
still on question mark Joshua replies yes Stephen Hayes wants to know if it will
be soon and Joshua answers I'm putting the kid to bed hold your horses Stephen Hayes then wrote dude the horses
want to get loose LOL at some point the two men get together that evening and they decide to go out to a bar and
they're having several drinks I'm guessing what they're doing is they're planning their attack because Joshua is
telling him about this home that he has become aware of that he followed these two people home from the Stop and Shop
grocery store and he liked their house it was a big house there's probably lots of valuables in there according to Hayes
confession the two men had planned to rob the pet at home under cover of Darkness leaving the family bound but
unharmed the men got into the home through the Cellar Door remember the Cellar Door that leads down into their
basement from their backyard the the the lock on this door was broken it actually had been broken for quite
some time yeah but this is also a neighborhood at that time a lot of people didn't lock all their doors and
the seller basement stairs uh once inside would lead up to the Pettit family's kitchen this door too had a
lock on it so you could lock it from the kitchen side um however this lock was not locked that
night and it wasn't common practice for anyone in the Pettit family to lock this
door well after creeping in through the Cellar Door through the basement up the stairs uh they eventually found William
Pettit sleeping on a couch some people call this the porch it's more of a sun room
now bill says he never heard the men approaching him um he actually didn't wake up until Josh
struck him in the head with the baseball bat Josh had found the baseball bat there are several accounts of this most
of them saying that it was lying in the yard somewhere in the backyard there is an account or two that said they may
have found it in the basement then tying Bill up at gunpoint and later moving him
to the basement the children and their mother were bound and locked in their respective rooms Stephen Hayes said that
he and Karma sajevski were not satisfied with the amount of money or valuables that they found in the home and that was
when the bank book was discovered which showed that big available balance that we discussed
Stephen Hayes went and he purchased the gas um the gasoline in those two jugs he
actually is about seven o'clock he actually got lost on his way back to the home
um driving around more than necessary he was communicating with Joshua either by
way of text or phone calls or both to try to find his way back to the pet at home
which of course we know he ultimately did he unloaded the gas and then he drove Mrs Pettit to the Bank of America
he mostly drove around you had said yesterday that she was in there longer than he had expected and I think this
probably made him nervous knowing that there would be some type of cameras or possible surveillance outside of the
bank so he was driving around maybe to hide his identity a little bit better but during this time Joshua is still
back at the house he severely escalated the nature of the crimes that would be committed
Stephen Hayes says that when he returned with Mrs Pettit in the money back to the
house that Joshua had told him that he had sexually assaulted the 11 year old girl that was locked in her room
upstairs he said that Joshua provoked him provoked Stephen Hayes into raping Mrs
Pettit while Hayes was raping her on the floor of the living room Joshua entered
the room at some point and announced that bill Pettit had escaped the house yeah but let's be clear about this
because you know when they're first arrested you know Josh is coming out right away saying my name is you know
Josh there's these you know here's the people that are in the house when Stephen is arrested he doesn't give them
the name he doesn't basically cooperate at all within hours they're both kind of
turning on each other this is just shows you what kind of horrible pieces of [ __ ]
these people are when they say oh well he provoked me to rape the mother yeah you could have just said no you got
gasoline because you were worried about fingerprints and DNA so you knew you're going to torch this house yeah they go
back and forth with their stories and they're constantly like you know it seems like most the time they're telling
the truth and then there's these little tiny gray areas where they start putting
the blame on the other individual and I think this is one of them oh he provoked
me yeah I mean we have this situation where there Stephen is saying that the the plan was to just get rid of the
fingerprints that we just need to hide evidence that we probably left unknowingly left within the home and if
we could get this gasoline we could ransack the house we could get the money from the bank and then we could tie this
family up move them elsewhere and torch the house with the gasoline right and he
but what he's saying is because Josh escalated it by um raping the the daughter that that that's the reason why
they had to kill him you knew that they saw your face anyways I think there was a possibility that
they knew that they were going to get rid of this family you know all along and Stephen says once
he's told by Joshua that bill Pettit had escaped the home from the basement um that he strangled Jennifer and then
doused her lifeless body and then other parts of the house with that gasoline including the daughter's rooms while
they're still tied to their beds both both of the daughters have been doused with gasoline each with her head with
their head still covered with these pillowcases fire was started and Stephen Hayes and Joshua Karma sejevski fled the
scene Haley and Michaela both died from smoke inhalation um they were burned to death and the
oldest one there were signs that she actually got up so she was alive while she's being set on fire and as we said
the two suspects fleeing the home there immediately spotted by police pursued and arrested just one block away from
the from the home the whole home invasion lasted roughly seven hours uh both men smelled strongly
of gasoline uh during the the interrogation process detectives noted this each of the two lowlifes as you had
said blamed or implicated the other as The Mastermind and or driving force behind the sexual
assaults and The Killing Spree there were even attempts at times to blame the husband and father Bill Pettit as some
type of accomplice yeah and that was kind of the rumor in town when you have a whole family that is murdered the way
they are and and the husband gets free I think a lot of people assumed that maybe
he had something to do with it on September 13 2010 this is how long it takes Captain to get to the first trial
in this situation oh but there's some stuff to talk about before the first trial I mean both individuals both of
these um low life pieces of [ __ ] they say hey look we will tell you everything we'll
plead guilty you know just give us life in prison with no possibility to parole that was their first thing that they did
and for whatever reason the state decided that that wasn't enough yeah and it's it's unfortunate because there are
there's a lot of media regarding how this came about there's a lot of people saying that Dr Pettit that bill Pettit
was the driving force saying we have to we have to sentence these guys to death well because there was a bill going to
be passed and they're going to get rid of the death penalty they basically State because of this case and because
of the horrific nature of this case that we're gonna I think the governor vetoed
it and they said okay well now that Bill is vetoed for right now and now we're going to go to trial Bill Pettit would
say that you know he never argued never never fought the uh prosecutors on this but it was the prosecutors that had
given the recommendation to him that we go after the death penalty and we don't need to get into a whole death penalty
debate or anything like that but uh well that's what this case becomes the aftermath of it and the fact of the
matter is I mean I think okay I'm just going to say this because is kind of what I believe I mean none of
these details none of this stuff has to come out in public and you don't have to
spend money on this stuff these guys are going to plead guilty because it's been
the rest of their lives in jail they're not going to go to regular jail they're going to go to solitary confinement it's
basically like being buried alive and these guys are going to have to live with their actions for the rest of their
lives also in the meantime before the trial happened I believe both of them try to take their own lives
yeah these guys want to die you know and so you're going to go after the death penalty that's kind of what
they want so why would you give these animals what they want lock them lock them in a cage have them deal with their
actions and what they did and they'll have to think about that every day the other
problem that I have with this case is that once you go to trial now all these details have to be relived and some of
these details weren't known because the cops and the media the cops weren't sharing this with the media because they
didn't have to they have confessions and so to me uh you know it's like you can you can protect them after their
death by not having to relive this or not have to put this information on to the public yeah but I there's clearly no
right answer here um you know you can make a strong argument for either situation that they
should be um they should just let them confess and give them life in prison or have the
state kill them you can make a strong argument for either one I think in this situation
whatever the sole survivor of the home invasion wants to go after and if the person that doesn't make it right just
because he was the sole survivor it doesn't make it wrong though either um I think there is a right and wrong
answer here okay I mean I think one I don't know if we should get into this right now but the state spent over seven
million dollars trying to prosecute these guys and then uh Steven has now asked to be sent to death and they're
still appealing it he's like hey go ahead kill me I want to die I don't want to live with what I did and and the
state's still going no we're still going to have appeals we're going to still spend more and more money on this
I I don't know how that makes any sense okay well I don't I don't want to put a dollar amount on on Seeking Justice for
for victims of horrible crimes that's no that's how's that seeking any justice I
mean the big question here becomes when did the cops know about this and what could the cops done to possibly prevent
this I mean there were they weren't dousing the house with gasoline until they got
back and within probably 30 seconds of them returning back home police were on the scene
you know so they have the house surrounded that becomes the big question I think that's uh a moo argument to say
well we're gonna I'm putting a price on Justice you know what is Justice that's what these killers wanted they wanted to
die so isn't that given them what they wanted and is that Justice I would rather give Bill what he wants I
don't care what these two guys want anyway at the first trial wait September but what you're saying doesn't make any
sense because what Bill wants and what the killers want are the same thing it does make sense how does it not make
sense I'm saying that the the guy that had to live through this nightmare that every day has to wake up without his
wife and his two children if he wants these guys killed I'm fine with it that's what I'm saying I'm fine with it
right and it doesn't matter what Stephen Hayes or Joshua Karma sajevski guys who
have lied and manipulated people their entire lives say that they want I don't care I don't care what they right but
this is not about them right it's not about them at all but once you go to trial once you go seeking the death
penalty then guess what it becomes about it becomes about them because now we have to argue why did
they do this what made them this way and so the whole trial becomes about the horrific stuff that they did to your
family and it then it becomes about these two individuals and if you if you would have just taken
the plea deal and you just would have locked them up for the rest of their lives we wouldn't be talking about this
now we wouldn't I I don't think so I mean this is a home invasion with three murders this is one
of the most publicized uh home invasion murder cases in in in the state of Connecticut yeah one of the main reasons
it's so publicized is because they went to trial and sought the death penalty okay let's get to the first trial
because we could debate this all night we have the first trial it takes till September of 13th of 2010 to take place
now unfortunately Bill had to sit just about 10 feet from one of the men who had killed his family at the very start
of the trial the defense for Stephen Hayes simply stated that everything the state says Hayes did he is guilty of he
broke into the pet at home watched his partner beat Mr Pettit with a baseball bat he tied up the girls purchased the
gasoline drove Mrs Pettit to the bank to get the money returned her to the home raped Jennifer Pettit and strangled her
he Then followed Josh as the two perpetrators fled the home knowing it was in flames and that three persons
were tied up and still alive at least two possibly three people tied up and still alive in the home so this trial
was not going to be to decide if Stephen Hayes was guilty now this trial would simply decide how Stephen Hayes is going
to be punished would he get sentenced to life in prison or would he get the death
sentence attorney Thomas Allman told the jury this is um Hayes attorney told the jury
that a sentence of life in prison would be the harshest possible punishment for his client because he was so tormented
by his crimes and would be isolated in prison stating life in prison without the possibility of release is the
harshest penalty it is a fate worse than death if you want to end his misery put
him to death if you want him to suffer and carry that burden forever the guilt and humiliation
sentence him to life without the possibility of release yeah and one of the things like I said before he tried
to kill himself and one of the reasons was he kept on having these reoccurring nightmares that you know Stephen had a
daughter and his and his nightmare his daughter was burning alive and he would have this dream over and over yeah there
were several complications uh with his trial one like you said the suicide attempt I guess he was
um he was pilfering away these the the drugs maybe some of this I think that was his second attempt yeah he was
pilfering away these these pills for quite some time saving them up so he could take a whole bunch of them at once
and attempt to kill himself and then he also had some health issues throughout the course of the trial that may have
slowed it down a bit it came out in Stephen's trial that according to the men medical examiner an unspeakable act
had been committed on 11 year old Michaela Joshua Carmen sajevski had sodomized the little girl this was new
information that further shocked the public and the poor family had to hear this information in person at the trial
of Stephen Hayes Joshua had admitted to assaulting the girl orally but not this the jury also learned that the police
had found pornographic pictures on Joshua's cell phone that were presumably taking taken by Joshua during the time
that he was assaulting the little girl the picture showed Michaela naked and tied to her bed in the uh showed
Joshua's genitalia as well in the uh the pictures yeah and this happened when Stephen left to get the gas around seven
o'clock there was more than one assault um you know regard however you look at Steven Hayes story also presented at
this trial were the journals of of Joshua in which he referred to his breaking into homes as extreme sport uh
in his diary he chose to call Bill Pettit a coward and claimed that bill could have stopped the murders had he
wanted to he said that Jennifer the mother and wife was Brave and that Haley the oldest daughter was a fighter and
again he said bill was a coward the man he had beat over the head multiple times
with a baseball bat I mean it's just ridiculous that he would refer refer to Mr Pettit as a as a as a coward I mean
we have Stephen Hayes Steven Hayes says in his confession he says that Josh hit Mr Pettit in the
front and back of the head with the bat as hard as he could now this is a man that that most
certainly was threatened with a gun uh quote remember the quote if he moves put two bullets in him a man that had
lost over seven pints of blood that was slipping in and out of Consciousness a man that was beaten and bound and had to
hope and pray that the the men that had beaten him were being honest when they told him they were only there for the
money and then they would leave and these same dirtbags told Jennifer told Mrs Pettit if you go to the bank
and get us the money we will leave and instead she was not rewarded for doing this
not rewarded for doing what they said at all she was punished for doing what they
had said Stephen Hayes ultimately was found guilty on 16 of 17 counts related to the home invasion murders now on
October 5th 2010 as when he was found guilty in early November the jury returned with
a recommendation for him to be executed he was sentenced to death the jury chose
to show him no mercy he was seeking Mercy as he had he he's claiming you know he had a pretty bad drug problem at
this time uh he's also saying you know I offered a confession to the police I told them everything that I knew
um but they they would show him no mercy foreign [Music] all right we're back cheers mates we're
back from punching each other in the face and cheers to you Captain uh on December 2nd 2010 Stephen Hayes he
apologized for the pain and suffering he had caused the Pettit family and added that death for me will be a welcome
relief and I hope it will bring some peace and comfort to those who I have hurt so much now Judge John Blue uh
formally imposed six death sentences one for each of the capital charges um blue then added a sentence of a
hundred and six years for other crimes that Stephen Hayes committed during the home invasion
and before he finished he stated this he stated this is a terrible sentence but is in truth a sentence you wrote for
yourself in Flames may God have mercy on your soul now just as the captain had mentioned Stephen Hayes had attempted to
negotiate a life sentence during a plea bargain and that did not happen after the verdict his defense attorney stated
Hayes smiled upon hearing the jury's recommendation of a death sentence he added he is thrilled he is very happy
with the verdict that is what he wanted all along basically they're going hey we're going for appeals and he's like I
don't want to appeal I want to die now so again like I said it's I know that's what Bill wanted but it's also what the
killers wanted now there was a second trial we have to try um Joshua karma sajevski for this uh he
was born in 1980 to a 16 year old girl and a 20 year old mechanic and was later adopted by Benedict Karma sajevsky
Joshua was a very similar setup let's say you know we have this situation where you're caught
red-handed so it's more of a trial of is he going to get life or death Joshua was basically begging the jury in
the court for Mercy his biological parents had a history of mental illness and Joshua grew up in a home where he
was molested when he was about four years old his adopted parents brought in a 15 year old foster kid who raped
Joshua and put cigarettes out on him when Joshua was was older he ended up molesting his little sister
it's a little unclear how much knowledge the parents had of both of these situations but it seems like at some
point during his childhood they had some type of knowledge yeah um and then choosing to deal with these situations
themselves rather than to involve the authorities or any type of counseling what angers me is that this guy gets his
day in court to basically you know justify why he did what he did and and so but these claims you know
originally when they made these claims I thought well this is probably just a bunch of
you know horse [ __ ] right yeah but the the kid was 14 at the time the foster kid
um he admits to it um he apologizes but it seems like this family always turned to religion
so instead of going to the authorities or anything like that okay well you know homosexuality is wrong and
we're gonna put this kid and we're gonna push religion onto him and I think that's one of the reasons
why how do I say this that he's he was attracted to younger females probably because of the abuse okay but
didn't turn to males because of the the condemning nature of his religion religion yes right just to be clear in
case it confuses anybody we're stating we're telling the story here and the story is that homosexual situation is
the situation is this homosexuality is wrong according to Joshua's church so the church that he attended at the time
not according to the captain or the colonel or Nick or however many people are in the garage here but now like we
saw in the first trial Captain um with the journal with Joshua's Journal coming out that that stating you
know Bill Pettit was a coward we see this again in the second trial where Josh is now saying he claimed that he
believed that bill Pettit could have escaped earlier uh he claimed that the zip ties in the Rope were loose enough
that bill could have wiggled his way out at any time his lawyer Joshua's lawyer also argued that for his client to be
sentenced to death the victims that were murdered had to have died in a cruel manner now their argument is because two
of the girls here's their argument this is this is going to make you want to you thought
you meant you thought you and I got into it earlier with the back and forth this
is going to make you want to kick a hole through the garage door here done and done okay so the argument is this that
Stephen Hayes killed the mother right so you have to take that one off the table
when you're when you have Joshua on trial so he should only technically be charged with killing two people
um and they're stating these two girls their cause of death is technically listed as smoke inhalation
the smoke inhalation is described and this was forced to be described by Josh's lawyer he had the experts the
medical experts explain what typically happens when somebody dies of smoke inhalation well their argument is that
the way the the experts describe this did not particularly mean that it was a cruel manner in which these two girls
were killed of course they failed they purposely failed to mention the hours of traumatizing the girls the little one uh
raped both douse with gasoline and like you said were on fire and surrounded by Flames as they died there were some
details that were learned in the trial regarding that night um as the two men had some troubles with
a 17 year old Haley remember uh Joshua's Journal had said that she was a fighter
yeah both the men had ripped landline phones out of the walls once they took over the home well at least once I
believe possibly twice they caught Haley with her cell phone or someone else's cell phone attempting to either notify
someone or possibly call 9-1-1 on October 13 2011 Josh Karma sujevsky was convicted
on all 17 counts on January 27 2002 Judge John blue sentenced him to death by lethal injection to which his
sentence became an automatic life sentence as did Stephen Hayes's when eventually Connecticut abolished the
death penalty this took place in 2015. now both Hayes and Carmen sujevski are housed in separate prison facilities in
the state of Pennsylvania to serve out their life sentences yeah and I think this is the part
you know that makes me so mad about this case why did this information have to come to light in public
you know I you know why did they veto the bill for the death penalty penalty just to have this trial then once they
have the trial then they basically put that they passed the law anyways you know it seems like wasted time wasted
money wasted hurt you know I I don't know well to be fair to you Captain I think as with all of us
this is just one of many aspects of this case that that make us all very angry and upset with one really everything I
mean there's just no way to feel good about any of this regardless of what type of sentence or punishment these two
monsters end up getting in the end right and HBO made a documentary about this and when I was watching it
um towards the end of it and they're talking about Josh's trial and and what happened to
him as a kid I mean I think that's what really frustrated me the most and what made me so angry is these these guys are
horrible individuals and and I didn't want I don't want to know why they got that way
and I don't want to feel sorry for him at all but when you hear this stuff that happened to this kid somebody helped
create a monster was he going to be that way whether this happen without that I don't know whatever you think is Justice
whether it's the death penalty or just rot in jail I just want that to happen but I don't want to look at him as a
victim and I think by giving him the day in court you have to examine those things
yeah and this was unique because For the First Time In in the state's history the
Connecticut state judicial branch offered post-traumatic stress assistance to people who had served on the juries
of these two triple murder trials because they had been required to look at disturbing images and hear ghastly
testimony there were several parts during both trials where there were there were pictures that were not shown
to the public to the people that just showed up to witness the trials there were many obviously many images that
were shown to these people however with when it came to the jury there were several times during these trials where
they took a manila envelope you know one of them file folders and they put in it
whatever horrible graphic image that they had somebody had taken a picture of whether it was a picture Joshua had
taken on his cell phone or whether it was police and firefighter photographs during the investigation itself
and they had to pass these folders along and you know the one reporter wrote that
every time that these these file folders were brought to the jury I mean you could see it on their faces
it was as simple as this it was handed to one juror he or she would open up the the folder right look at the thing for a
second or two close it and hand it to the next person and the reporter said that anytime this happened in this in
this trial in these trials that's all you could hear in the entire courtroom everyone was silent and all
you could hear was the flapping open of this file folder somebody having to see something no one should ever have to see
well they had to take multiple breaks because of this yes and pass it along to the next person and of course the family
the Pettit family um they had to sit there and hang their heads uh when this happened as well the
victims these Three Angels of of humans you know they're the victims not not these animals but you give them their
day in court and like I said you have to examine that stuff that happened to them as well yeah
I mean that's that's two monsters pleading for Mercy um they didn't obviously didn't show anybody any Mercy
that night so I'm glad that uh 24 people decided not to show them any Mercy as well as the judge
the aftermath of this thing I mean is is huge but I did want to touch upon a few
things um Bill Pettit established the Michaela Rose Pettit scholarship fund for the
chase Collegiate School he also established the Haley's hope and Michaela's Miracle Ms memorial fund
um there were several organizations and and foundations that have been set up uh
because of Bill Pettit and because of people close to this case trying to do a lot of good for
um because a lot of bad happened yeah um in August of 2012 Bill Pettit married uh he got remarried and eventually they
went on to him and his new wife went on to have I believe a son um so some some kind of form of healing for for
bill um yeah they actually tore down the Pettit Family Home and they turned that
into a memorial garden I really liked what one of the grandparents said is that uh if closure
means anything I'm forgetting then I don't want any closure and I thought that was that was good because you know
the thing is that these um three beautiful souls they were trying to do good in the world and who knows
what I mean you have a young daughter that raised over fifty thousand dollars for MS
yeah you know that's yeah I mean they were the the three girls were good in every sense of the word I mean all three
of them and here's one thing I also want to touch upon too Captain is you know I I've heard people say and I
think this is a fantastic quote that that once one's character is best judged in a time
of tragedy and the way that the bill Pettit and um his parents and the family members of
you know the hawk family and Jennifer pettit's family the way that They Carried themselves
presented themselves and their Humanity uh through this whole thing to it to me it was amazing how well they
were able to to carry themselves and hold themselves together yeah during and remain civilized
in a situation that none of us can actually can imagine and should never have to imagine going through now Bill
Pettit he has not returned to his medical practice since the murders stating that he his desire is to be
active in the foundations set up to honor the memory of his deceased family he now serves as a I believe a state
representative the other thing too regarding him not returning to his medical practice we have to keep in mind
the injuries that he sustained during that and the the type of you know he's got to have a clear mind he's got to
have steady hands he has to be able to think on his feet uh because of his job and he has said that the injuries he
sustained in the loss um emotionally mentally his heart is broken that he he's no
longer able to be of sound mind and we be somebody that's able to care uh for his patience in the
way that they deserve to be yeah when you go through that a tragic like that or a tragic loss like that you have to
figure out why care to go on and that's what he he had to figure out uh one final thought
for me Captain is Joshua Karma sojevski he called Bill Pettit a coward and personally I can't think of a more
sick and cowardly act than raping a child Joshua karma sajevski is a child rapist
he had a daughter of his own and there may have been one possibly good thing that could have come
of this I believe he would have eventually if he hadn't already I believe he would have raped his own
daughter and very likely many times that's what he is that's what Joshua karma sajevski is he's a child rapist
and he in fact is the coward uh Bill Pettit uh because of cowards like Joshua Karma sajevski and Stephen Hayes
he chose to speak at the funeral and two trials for his wife and two daughters and on those days
bill William Pettit was more of a man than I have ever been asked to be and more
Brave than I could ever imagine to be one thing that we should touch on because if we don't we'll probably get
some heat mail is the reaction from the cops and how they handled this situation
there has been some criticism from the hawk family yeah and I get it I get it I don't know that I
but here's the problem I'm able to sit here in the garage with you you know and and have a good time
with you and not today my friend yeah today's been aggravating but it's because of the case not because of you
not because anything out outside of you but I'm I'm lucky I'm able to sit here and have a beer and relax and talk about
this thing that happened 10 years ago right and so you think my mind would be clear
more clear than what than what it is that I should have a hard stance on these different opinions but I don't I
what I see is a crime that took six or seven hours to commit that broke a lot of people it broke the family members
and it it broke the community the thing here is you have a situation where I think I think in a good number
of ways the police were just following protocol they were setting up a perimeter they were trying to you know
they have to keep the peace and if that means um trapping it with inside those four
walls right sometimes that's what they have to do and as you and I both agreed on they don't fully know the situation
as to what's going on inside those four walls I agree with the people that are that are angry at the police and and
here's what I mean by that I agree that they're angry because I too am angry I just don't know that the police are the
right people to be angry at I think that this case is um one of these ones that just rips your
heart out and the problem is you when you have these two lowlifes who get life sentences or committed to death whatever
regardless of what they end up getting you're still angry you're still mad and you're still upset and at some point you
need more to blame than just these two guys because this just seems too horrible for only two people to be
responsible for and so that's when you know when you see um the hawk family upset with the police
I agree with them and I think you have to let them vent I don't know what could have been done differently I know that
bill has never publicly blamed the police for any misdoings yeah you want to talk about being courageous I mean
here's the individual that he feels you know he lost all this blood and he still feels
that he should have went up the different stairs instead of going outside that he should have went into
the kitchen and I think he blames himself a little bit and he's probably angry and I guarantee you these cops
this law enforcement team now knowing what they know I guarantee you they're angry with some of their
decisions put yourself in their shoes you don't know what's happening you're trying to assess the situation these
cops did not want this to take place I guarantee you that every single one of them wish wishes that they could have
stopped it and I'm sure that they're angry and I'm sure that they blame themselves and there's no reason for
more people to point the finger at them hey one thing I want to point out to all
the Great Garage people out there is that we have our blog that's active on truecrime garage.com a lot of these
cases you know we cover so many cases a new one every week A lot of times we are
asked if we could do an update and things like that yeah that is the blog is a running update of all those cases
and the great thing is that everybody out there gets to contribute to that blog and to that information you can
participate by reading or writing your own comment there I do want to throw one thing in here please Captain uh we'll no
silence he shut it down just like that um regarding this case um let's let's not get into a whole Pro
against uh death penalty debate on the blog we will refrain from doing that um but certainly leave your other
thoughts there at truecrime garage.com a lot of interesting conversation going on
regarding the Kanika Jenkins case uh the Delphi case um all these cases still very active so
check out that information there yeah you can uh speculate if we're left or right wing but uh we'll never tell you
because this is not a political show so what I can tell you Captain is that this
case has made me so very angry and I'm very lucky and thankful to have a whole big bowl of leftover candy bars from
last night and I will use that entire Bowl to comfort myself I'm gonna use I want to get me through this troubling
moment I'm going to use a thing called bourbon so all right thanks for sharing on
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happy Halloween and until next week be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause]
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Two petty criminals met and became friends at a halfway house. This was to be part of rehabilitating both of these criminals with lengthy records back into society. After the friendship was formed the house burglar taught the car thief how to break into homes of well to do families. In July of 2007 the two men broke into the home of Dr. William Petit. Petit had lived at the home on Sorgham Mill drive in the quiet safe town of Cheshire, Connecticut for 20 years. At home with Dr. Petit that night was his wife and two daughters. The two men found Dr. Petit asleep on a couch in the sunroom. They beat him with a baseball bat. From there the two men went to ransack the house and terrorize the girls. This is the nightmarish true story of the Cheshire, Connecticut home invasion murders.Beer of the week - Lonesome Boatman Ale by Outer Light BrewingGarage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode recounts the brutal home invasion and murders of the Pettit family in Connecticut, detailing the attackers' confessions and trials.

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Home Invasion Horror. A family is brutally attacked in their home, leading to a tragic outcome.
The Criminal's Confession. One of the attackers confesses to the horrific details of the crime.
Trial Reveals Shocking Details. During the trial, it was revealed that unspeakable acts were committed against the victims.
Stephen Hayes Sentenced to Death. On October 5, 2010, Stephen Hayes was found guilty and sentenced to death for his crimes.
Bill Pettit's Resilience. Bill Pettit established scholarship funds and memorials in honor of his daughters after the tragedy.

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This is the nightmarish story of a home invasion and murder.

Introduction to the tragic events.

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