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sent from a Maryland prison you are always asking me about my murders well here is one that no one
knows about that's right pal I have never told anyone about this murder I never had to go far to find a victim for
most all truck stops across the US had [ __ ] working in and around them this is a story of a young prostitute I
killed in October of 1995 she was working the 76 Truck Stop in Reno Nevada I was driving a blue long-nosed
Peterbilt I was hooked up to a freezer trailer that's a trailer with a freezer I beat and raped that [ __ ] in
the sleeper of that truck uck that night until I grew tired of her then I put my hands on her neck and
I began squeezing her screams of pain slowly dwindled down to Mere rasp of agonizing
Grunts and groans the sound she made slowly faded away never to be heard again Sweet Death
had finally come down upon her now her body was just a dead carcass laying in wait for the decomposition to start the
breaking down of cells I laid there with my arms wrapped around her dead body and slept for about
3 hours I woke up to my alarm clock going off at 5:30 a.m. I climbed over her and I got
dressed I throwed a blanket over her then I started the truck up I got out of the truck locked the door and headed
over to the car coffee shop to grab a bite and check the computer for loads heading
east the closest thing I saw available to me that I was looking for was a load of ranch house salad dressing they
wanted taken down to Houston Texas the company was located over in Sharps Nevada which is only about 25 Mi
north of the truck stop I decided to accept the job I grabbed a coffee to go and off to
the truck TR I went I climbed up into the cab and checked everything out and off I
go I got to the warehouse in Sharps that had the load but there was no one there
because it was Saturday morning the sign on the door said they were opened up at 9:00 a.m. but it was
only 7:45 a.m. so I looked around and there wasn't a damn soul in sight there wasn't nothing around this
little business park so I thought this would be a perfect place to ditch her off I dragged her dead ass out of the
truck I grabbed my little army shovel and off I went to the back of that little Warehouse I found a nice isolated area
back there I buried her in about 45 minutes this Industrial Park wasn't very old so the ground was pretty soft and
that's where she is to this day it was not for another two bodies later that I would realize what a waste of all
that good meat was only ending up being nothing more than bug and worm food I have never Shed a Tear For Those
I have killed nor will I down the road those sweet young drug addicted prostitutes that I killed back in my
past were pretty much dead to the world long before I killed them they were nothing more than walking
zombies looking for a few moments of pleasure from their sick twisted daily lives of
shame I feel I've done those poor souls a favor if I feel anything for them I feel only some jealousy for their pains
are over and mine will continue as I sit Behind These Bars until the day I die I have enclosed my tooth for you we
never met but now you will always have a part of me with you you take care be safe out there my
best friend signed with a thumb print Preston [Music] [Music] blood December 8th 1996 Baltimore
Maryland and Captain while I would consider the great state of Maryland to be a beautiful beautiful state and
Baltimore to be a beautiful city as well well I would not consider the couple of
city blocks where our story starts off to be anywhere near beautiful shout out to Rockville
Maryland this is a dingy undesirable couple of city blocks on the City Southwest Side back in December of 1996
Joe methany is 46 years old he's about 6'1 in tall and almost 300 lb so we're talking about a pretty big guy
here big boy on the night of the eth he met a woman by the name of Rita keer who
is 37 years old he met her at the borderline bar now Joe is at this bar nearly every night drinking beer in
Southern Comfort the bar is right by where Joe methany Works Joe works for the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet Company M
for those of you that may not know pallets are those wood skids manufactur Ed primarily for stacking cargo when
loading you know onto semi-rs or trains anyway not only does Joe worked there but he is living there so I'll I'll
explain Joe is a forklift operator at the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company he's a forklift operator by day but by
night he is a night Watchman Joe is a well let's say he's a very persuasive personality he's outgoing he's quite the
talker so my guess is Joe had nowhere to live and he cut a deal with his boss you
know you need someone to watch this place at night and I work here during the day you know me you trust me so they
work out this deal I think they only paid him an additional $20 a week for his night Watchman duties right but he
got to stay there and sleep there at night the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company is located at 3200 James Street
which is in the southwest corner of the city of Baltimore the company is situated on a lot which is adjacent to a
wooded area the company has a locked entrance gate and is surrounded by an 8T High chain link fence with barbed wire
on top the lot is approximately the size of a city a square City Block there is a
warehouse and an office building there that is surrounded by literally thousands of wooden pallets which are
stacked at varying Heights throughout the lot there is no business conducted at this company or surrounding companies
during the evening hours James Street is a deadend street where there is very little to no pedestrian traffic Joe
lived in a small one room trailer located on the South fence the nearest residential development to The Pallet
company is approximately two blocks away on this particular night apparently his
Watchman duties included inviting Rita keer back to his Trail from the bar yes Rita had joined Joe at
the trailer on at least one other occasion now I don't know the particulars of that visit but I do know
the particulars of this one and it goes like this Joe invited Rita back to join him at the trailer with the promise of
drinks and cocaine well at some point Joe starts attacking Rita she manages to get out of the trailer she raced towards
the front gate but Joe is chasing after her Rita keer reached the gate but it was locked when she turned around to
look for another way out Joe had caught up to her mhm and he punched her his big
fat fist smashing into her jaw rendering her unconscious Joe then dragged her back into the trailer by her hair once
Joe had Rita back in the trailer he pinned her down which is probably pretty easy for him once he got on top of her
to hold her down I mean he's almost 300 lb at this time I don't know the size of
this poor woman but I'm guessing she's outsized by quite a bit once pinned down Joe starts pulling down Rita's jeans she
starts screaming Joe yells at her um and she's yelling at Joe but Joe's not terribly worried about the screams
because where this is located where the trailer is located this lot it's it's likely that not anyone would hear her
especially at this hour of night I me like you said there's no pedestrians walking by correct and there's no
business being conducted in this area at this hour Rita begs Joe to stop attacking her he ignores her she starts
praying out loud and Joe's reaction to this well he he finds this to be funny then Joe tells Rita that he's going to
rape her and when he's done he's going to kill her and once she is dead he is going to bury her in the woods with the
other girls Rita keer decides that she is not going to die not that night not by the hands of this loser well she
started kicking and she kicked her legs out of her pants remember he was trying to pull the pants off right and he she
rolled underneath of Joe as he was trying to keep her pinned down this rolling allows her to break free now
she's on her feet and she's sprinting out of the trailer and looking for a way out of the fenced in yard now Joe is up
and he's running after her and he still got her pants in his hand Rita ran toward one of several large stacks of
pallets now there are hundreds of course of these pallets there are probably you
know piles and stacks of these things all along the fences Rita starts climbing one of these Stacks Joe runs up
to the stack she's climbing and he's trying to grab her as she continues to climb I mean this is like a scene out of
a horror movie Rita feels Joe's hand nearly grab her ankle she gets to the top of the stack and she leaps jumping
over the top of the fence she slams to the ground but thankfully on the other side of the fence from Joe methany she
gets back on her feet and runs down the hill screaming and waving her hands she's trying to flag down a vehicle then
she sees the lights of an approaching car am I wrong I mean that's like the ending of the First Texas Chainsaw
Massacre right waving down a vehicle yeah yeah yeah I mean you have this woman who it seems like if you if you
looked in on this area it would feel like there was nothing around this trailer and nothing around this fenced
in palet yard yeah she's basically trapped with inside that fence figuring out this masterful way to get out
leaping over the fence and now she's free but she's still got this Maniac inside the fence trying to get to her
yeah and you just wanted a little bananas and blow and uh now you're jumping over fences well she's outside
the fence she's trying to flag down a car she sees a car this car starts to slow down and to her surprise it's a
police officer she tells the officer what had just happened and how she was attacked and how Joe had told her that
he was going to rape and kill her the officer drives up the hill and around to the front of the gate Joe is in inside
the fence near the gate and in his hands he still has a hold of Rita's pants the
officer orders Joe out and into his car Joe spent the night in jail and he was going to be charged with assault
kidnapping and attempted rape but the thing here is though Captain they didn't hold him long he was not going to have
to stay in jail for very long to wait for the trial right and and and he also knows where his victim
you know goes to hang out he knows probably her friends maybe knows where she lives yeah and I I I'm guessing she
won't be returning to the borderline bar anytime soon especially with him being out so they well I'm pointing out that
the police are not protecting her right and they end up releasing him it's just a day or two after this attack so when
Joe gets out guess where he is Captain goes to the bar that's right he's right back at the borderline bar sitting on a
stool drinking Southern Comfort and beer telling jokes now not too long after being released from jail Joe is back at
the bar and on this particular night he's hanging out with a guy named William Ashbrook Jr now William works
with Joe at The Pallet company they are at the borderline bar most of the night boozing it up Joe invites William back
to the trailer just to be clear there's no crime or shame in that and boozing it
up with with your buddy from The Pallet Company no I mean just being out a bar and boozing it up right right so Joe
invites William back to the trailer they get to the trailer and they start snorting cocaine that's a crime okay
thanks for the clarification let you know and after a few snorts Joe asked William for a favor sorry Joe go ahead
no almost choked on my beer Joe tells William that he needs it's in the line after a few lines not after a few snorts
few snorts we're CH we're changing the lingo after a few snorts continue yeah Joe asked William William for a favor he
wants help moving a body and he thinks maybe William would help him with this William thinks Joe is messing around
with him he doesn't believe Joe so Joe then takes William into the woods and Joe starts pushing away debris and trash
and underneath this debris and trash sure enough there is a rotting nude body of a dead woman William tells Joe that
he's going to vomit and that he's not going to help him move the body yeah he does offer to go get more
cocaine yeah and I I wonder when he's saying hey look I'm going to puke I can't help you I wonder what Joe's
demeanor was at this time was he getting angry at him did he sense you know did he feel threatened like if I don't help
him is he going to attack me yeah yeah it makes you wonder and I I almost feel like we have Joe methany at this point
that's got probably so much beer and Southern Comfort and cocaine in him he might even be very casual about this
whole thing yeah hey you you want to go help me move this body well I like this little escape plan
that that William has here he's like I'm not going to help you move the body but
I'll go get some more cocaine for the both of us yeah well with this he leaves and he does not come back that night the
next day I'm not sure if this is at work remember they worked together or if this
was at the bar after work but William asked Joe about the body that he was asked to help move Joe plays Dumb and
acts like he doesn't know what William is talking about right well William starts to get scared of his friend Joe
he starts getting scared of this stuff that he knows he starts thinking you know if if I know about this dead body
that Joe showed me maybe I'm the only one that knows about it well Joe could easily take me out and then nobody knows
about this body right yeah So eventually just within a couple of days William reports the story to the police on
December 15th 1996 at approximately 1:40 a.m. members of the Baltimore City police department and an FBI task force
arrest Joe methany get this they arrested Joe at the Joe Stein and Sons company Christmas party and it does not
take them long to find a dead body just 10 ft from the trailer that Joe slept in
they find the body of a woman who is wrapped up in a red tarp and that would be the body I'm assuming the dead body
would later be identified as Kimberly Lynn Spicer age 26 so after he is arrested a Baltimore
Police Officer transported him to the homicide unit of the police department during the course of the investigation
of the recovered body of Kim Spicer Joe gave several statements to detectives but he starts telling them about someone
other than Kim Spicer he tells them he met a woman about two years ago he described the woman as possibly having
brown hair her build according to Joe was she was a little thin and she was a little tall in stature he believes this
would have been one night back in July 1994 Joe is very judgmental yeah he says that this would have been around 8 or
900 p.m. that night mhm he tells the officers that he took this woman to his trailer located at The Pallet company
and while in his trailer he had sex with her while she was partially clothed she had been in his trailer for
approximately 1 hour when Joe started to strangle her when the detective asked Joe methany how did you strangle her did
you strangle her with your hands methany responded Yes with my hands the detective further questioned did you use
anything else to which he answered I Ed an an extension cord I took the end of the cord and strangled her to clarify
he's saying that he choked her with his hands until she passed out once she passed out he put the extension cord
around her neck and killed her then according to Joe he drugg her back into the woods then buried her in a shallow
grave he then took her purse and clothing and buried them in a separate location now we said that Joe did not
know the woman's name but he gave identifying information stating that he believed that the victim's first name
was possibly Kathy and that she was approximately 5' 6 to 5' 7 and about 120 to 130 lb she was also missing a couple
of Upper Front Teeth she had been wearing cut off jeans white tennis shoes and a white pullover sweater and she had
a purse with her and like you said he's he's basically living on the property of
his work and it's a finston property and so it's a big area but outside that fence is where he's been burying these
individuals yes there's there's that wooded area so he's going to draw a diagram of what he can you know best
remember to try to help them locate uh this victim yes they're they're going to look for where he buried the body he
says it would have been a shallow grave he said approximately 2 feet deep he further stated that when he buried her
she was not dressed additionally Joe indicated that after the body had been buried for about 6 months he went back
to the burial location and dug up and removed the skull afterwards he threw the skull in a trash box why why did he
do that um I mean does it say yeah well he in his words and actually I should I should clarify I don't know if these are
his words maybe a reporter cleaned it up right but from the report that I read he
dug up the skull that had been there for approximately 6 months cleaned it and then made love to it M uh romantic yeah
and then he he threw this skull in a trash box the Box containing the skull was a later removed from that location
and transported to according to Joe Oxford Pennsylvania so he must know where this trash is being sent to yeah
and basically he's telling you you're going to find this body roughly in this area on the diagram that I drew you're
going to find a naked woman headless nak naked woman yeah well also if you're living in this you know work compound
basically and you know when trash is leaving then this is a great way for you to be able to hide evidence right he
should have probably put the whole thing in the you know in this trash box that would have been transported far away
right but for whatever reason he felt more comfortable burying her in that shallow grave in the woods so the next
day the police took Joe in cuffs and shackles back to the Pallet company as escorted by detective Pennington this is
one of the detectives that was involved in the questioning of Joe they took him there for the purpose of pointing out
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not to be confused with like somebody like Pat maeni they're they're spelled the same way but and if you look up some
reports they will say Joe meeni but it's actually Joe methany yeah we got that from local Baltimore reports so him
being from Baltimore we're going with that with that pronunciation so where we left off Captain they had returned Joe
to The Pallet company in hopes of finding this buried female victim that Joe had told the investigators about now
on that first day the search team was unsuccessful in locating the body Joe could not seem to show them the right
spot and there had been a good deal of rain around that time so they brought in kadav dogs to pick up Ascent however
possibly due to all this rain they were unable to find the location so finding nothing they had to call off the search
and then later again get permission to remove Joe from the Baltimore City detention center with permission granted
detective Pennington again transported Joe back to the Joe Stein and Sun Pallet company to assist locating the body this
time after some hesitation methany indicated to detectives there's an area approximately just 10 ft from a previous
location that he had pointed out to them okay so bring in the excavation team right uhuh the team used techniques to
carefully unearth The Remains and they were exactly exactly in the condition that Joe said that they would be the
doctor at the excavation site noted that the cranium was missing the skeletal remains were recovered from a very
shallow grave and transported to the office of the chief medical examiner where later with dental records the
remains were found to be that of Catherine magazine and Catherine would have been 45 at the time of her murder
yeah and I know it's a bit confusing Captain because we said that the cranium was missing but remember the body had
been buried for approximately 6 months so when Joe dug up the body and took the skull the lower jaw by this time had
already fallen off MH the lower jaw was located with the rest of the body and that's what they Ed to get the dental
records they're also good be able to determine that Joe was telling the truth when he said that her death was by
strangulation yes and here's a little thing here Joe was asked why he had killed Kathy he said that it gave him a
sense of power stating I don't know I got a rush out of it I got high out of it yeah adding call it what you want I
had no real excuse other than I like to do it I don't know how to describe it so
now Captain we have this man we have him he's locked up he's been arrested we found two bodies he's attacked another
woman that got away thankfully yeah so who is this guy okay so we but we found the one that wasn't buried that's the
one that he tried to get his coworker to help him bury yes remove the body Kim Spicer she was wrapped up in a a red
tarp yeah and then we found Catherine she is Buried buried in that wooded area near the Pallet Company both died of
same cause uh believed to be strangulation and both both deaths yes and then we have an attack on this was
the Rita keer who was attacked and got away now one thing I do want to point out here Captain regarding the cause of
death with these two women is that Joe unfortunately he he when he attacked these women he beat them quite a bit as
well um so they would have seen injuries on the bodies to indicate that as well so who is is this guy that we have
locked up you know what can we figure out about his background well we can tell that he's a real piece of [ __ ] well
Joe was born in Baltimore County but lived in West Virginia from the ages of 2 to six later according to Joe pay
attention to that according to Joe he was shuffled among foster homes in the Baltimore area he completed the eighth
grade but he earned his high school equival equivalency and studied physics for a year and a half while in the Army
where he was a field artillery soldier from 1973 to 1975 he was honorably discharged after that he worked at
various jobs including a shipyard a liquor distributor and he was also a Long Haul truck driver for some time
methany spent about 20 years in a world few people ever see he drifted in and out of Bal Baltimore city's homeless
camps composed of filthy tents and sleeping bags under bridges and over sewer gradings for a while he lived in
row houses under the bapco river bridge in a homeless Community called Tent City
then later in 1988 he began working at the Joe Stein and Suns company where he lived in the trailer at The Pallet
company now at The Pallet Company Captain according to his co-workers Joe methany he made people laugh they said
he would joke about anything and his bosses at work stated he was a pretty smart guy he would come up with
solutions to problems stating that if we had a problem he would be the one that would come up with a way to figure it
out but these same co-workers described a complex personality many of them saying in one respect he is a gentle
giant that they nicknamed tiny standing more than 6 feet tall weighing almost 300 lb stating that he loves to draw
large cartoon characters and play video games so he sounds kind of like a big kid yeah but enough with this uh we call
the big guy tiny let's come up with some better names than that that that does happen a lot but but here's where the
complex personality comes into play they state that he also had a temper and at times had threatened co-workers and also
threatened patrons of the bar where he hung out nearly every night playing pool does it right but does it say what kind
of threats cuz there's a difference between hey man I'm going to kick your ass and
hey man I'm going to kill you uh I don't have any specifics I don't have any specifics just co-workers stating that
they were aware that he had threatened them at times as well as people at this bar well and I think also because you're
living at your job then you know that you know if you make these threats and then your employer comes down on you not
only do you lose your job you're going to lose your home mhm well he also drank very heavily according to the people
that knew him they believe that he went through a bottle of Southern Comfort whiskey each and every night whether it
be at the bar or back at the rundown trailer that was furnished simply with two chairs a couch and a television set
and an electric heater he Joe had surrounded the trailer with stacks of pallets methany told his attorney that
he was one of six children born into a poor family and that he was neglected as a child and shuffled off to foster homes
by his parents and telling his attorney by the time of his arrest both his parents were dead okay now Captain as
you know we are about to get into our first discrepancy in this serial killer profile case Okay because here we try as
we did with Ted Bundy and John gasy to study their crimes their backgrounds and their words to try to get a better sense
of who these killers are why they did what they did and what made them this way now Joe I wouldn't consider to be a
human in any sense that we can see from the crimes that we have already discussed yeah you can see he's just an
evil waste of life but when we look at Joe's crimes his background and especially his words to try to figure
him out this is where we run into one major problem Joe would later in life tell us a lot about his crimes and
background but at some point we have to start to wonder how much of this that he
is telling us is true among other things he told his lawyer that his mother was dead which came as a surprise to his
mother right he says both of his parents are dead while Presto chaino Captain Joe's mom is alive so not only did he
get that wrong or lie but his mother's Recollections contradict some of Joe's statements all right so what does his
mother say his mother was tracked down by a reporter at her home in Markleysburg
Pennsylvania her name is Jean methany and at the time of this she was 78 years Young when the reporter tracked her down
uh she you mean old yeah well both uh when she was told that her son Joe described her as dead she responded
maybe he just wishes I was adding that he pushed his family away a long time ago Jean methany described her son uh as
growing up to be a normal boy saying he was smart and he had a good childhood she said this and this next statement
should shouldn't make me laugh but it does Jean said if Joe was neglected it was his own
fault right that just does that seem weird or what that sounds neglectful yeah hey if uh you were neglected it's
your own damn fault yeah she said that their home was a pretty good one adding that none of her children were ever
never placed in other homes but if it wasn't a good home it's your own damn fault Jean methany she said her husband
was a laborer the two of them struggled to make ends meet and moved to the North
Point Boulevard area of Essex shortly before Joe methany was born when Joe was six his father was killed in a car
accident she said his death was very very hard on the family right Jean had to work to support the family she said
she did everything she could to keep the children together in the years after her
husband's death Jean says she worked as a waitress a barid and as a canteen truck driver who delivered lunches to
workers at Sparrow's Point Shipyard she said she could not be with her family every single minute of the day but it
was a normal family she said we weren't rich but we always had something to eat and we always had a roof over our heads
and that becomes a difficult situation because the father at that time especially in that time period he
probably was the bread winner and now she's going to have to take on these jobs and a lot of times you'd see that
the mother would stay at home and raise the the children why the father can focus on his career mhm and so she might
not to build up some of those skills so she would had to take on jobs like being
a waitress or something that wouldn't pay her as much per hour so she wouldn't be working that normal 40h hour weeks be
working 60 hours a week well not only that Captain I'm guessing that when she mentions that she has you know at times
she worked as a waitress or a barate or the truck driver right I'm also wondering because they have six children
and she's a single parent if at a lot of those times if she was working more than
one of those jobs together no that's what I mean I I'm I'm assuming that she's working anywhere from 60 to 70
hours right and that you know is that a normal childhood for some people yeah but you know you have six kids then
where did they go who's watching them yeah and I mean I don't mean to attack Jean here no not at all not at all but I
do question where where I hear her say that she's working all these jobs it seems to me like maybe neglected
is not that big of a stretch well no because in her defense she's doing everything she can to put
food on the table keep the lights on so that's not you know it's not neglect right right maybe that's the wrong word
what what I'm getting at though is we have one parent gone who passed away I'm just saying that and we have another
that's that may not be home hardly ever and yeah and we all know how tough it can be to live in a a single uh parent
home uh and then especially in this time to have a single mother home you know so
I applaud her for putting the family on her shoulders and trying to do what she can she did go on to tell us that she
and the family never went on welfare and she remembers her son Joe as an avid bike rider and an above average student
and adding that he was always polite well if you're scoring at home trying to keep track of Joe's lies or
truths um so Dad dead yes check Mom not dead no check for Joe but maybe dead in his mind she did agree that uh that Joe
did sered you know that Joe spent time serving this great country uh in our nation's military and gives some details
stating that when he turned 18 in 1973 Joe entered the Army and was stationed in Germany where he met a
woman that he seemed to be very close to we don't have any more information on this woman but she brings him up her up
for some reason Joe methany told his attorney that he served in Vietnam and became addicted to heroin during his
Tour of Duty in the artillery unit right but his mother said that she does not recall him having served in Vietnam the
Articles where I found this information stated that the military records for Joseph maeni were not available when
they wrote this I was unable to confirm if he had actually served in the war um or if he was just stationed in Germany
like his mother had said well tough thing to he though too is I mean if if the of the father was really tough on
the family and then you again you have six kids and then I mean is there any truth
to the whole foster care thing that seems to be an item that they cannot agree on she's stating that she did
everything she could to keep the children together that doesn't mean that they did that's true that's that's why I
find her statement strange right because she doesn't she doesn't definitively say
the kids were always at my house and in my care she says that she did the best that she could to keep the children
together right and so he goes off into the army maybe he served maybe he didn't maybe she doesn't know because they
weren't that close afterwards I do think um she did at some point definitively say that they did not live at any other
homes but it seems like a now mind you she's 78 when she's giving this interview uh so some of these answers
seem a little bit uh of a roundabout way of to them now once he had left her home
this is according to his mother Joseph seldom called or wrote to his mother right um the relationship she said
eventually disintegrated and the two didn't speak for about 10 years stating that he just kept drifting further and
further away and she does agree that Joe at some point developed a drug problem um here's one thing I wonder
about Captain uhhuh if they hadn't spoken so long and I really wonder about Joe's drug issues I think I think he was
a severe alcoholic and probably very addicted to drugs um right and I'm I'm betting that this had gone on for quite
some time leading up to the point of his arrest with his mother being 78 and them
not having spoke for so long do you think where the public would later call Joe a liar for stating that his mother
is dead do you think there's any chance that he may have just thought she was dead that he didn't keep track with her
I mean you're talking about a guy that he went he woke up in the morning probably hung over as hell and went and
worked as a forklift operator and then went straight to the bar every night after work where he got wasted drunk
right and would do drugs if he could get his hands on them and then wake up and repeat the same thing the next day we're
not talking about somebody that's keeping tabs on family members or or or living any kind of normal life well no
contact for 10 years so maybe at some point he's either just assuming or like I said I think more of that is
psychologically that she's dead to me let's yeah yeah I agree with that and and I obviously he has some issues with
women well let's get to the trials regarding the charges that Joe is facing he was first charged with the attack on
Rita keer we'll call her The One That Got Away this won't be a very tough trial though it shouldn't be at all I
mean we have a living witness SL victim and she ran directly from the attack and
fled into the arms of a police officer yeah so we have her testimony and we have the police officer's testimony as
well regarding the victim the arrest and any evidence found in both so that's an
easy case Joe gets 50 years and that seems good that feels good right Captain he gets 50 years for the attack for the
attack on Rita k on the on the the woman that thankfully got away from him yeah the thing here is when I was when I was
writing down this sentence that he got sentenced to 50 years something immediately popped in my head and I have
to bring this up with you because I know you're you're a fan I recently read one
of Robert Kessler's I'm sorry Robert wrestler's books uh uh I was inspired to do so because of the the show mind
Hunter on Netflix you and I both loved the Mind Hunter yeah I didn't love it at first I I think it was like the first
episode I I thought the main character was I was like yeah I'm not really into this guy by the second episode I'm not a
huge car guy even though I own a garage um the cars in the show from the time period and then it was his partner the
old school cop the old school detective bill yeah Bill he grew on me um much like the captain would grow on you if no
but then by like the third episode I was in love with everybody uh and I just think it's a amazing show the first I'm
getting a little off track here but the first uh episode opens up with that hostage scene where the the hostage
taker ends up blowing his own head off and that I was hooked right there hey spoiler spoiler it's it's a season long
thing that's like the first 10 minutes of the hey spoiler okay so here send hate mail here the deal crime
I was reading a book by Robert wrestler okay and the reason why I did this is I'm not certain I'm not 100% certain but
you had mentioned the older agent bill right who eventually recruits Holden to the
BSU right I believe Bill's character is based off of the real life person Robert
wrestler yeah so having watched this it inspired me to go back and read one of wrestler's books and in one of them this
is not a direct quote but trust me this is very close he's talking about punishing criminals and of course
throughout his career he has faced and been involved in conviction in the conviction process of probably the
absolute worst people that you can imagine yeah he says in his book unfortunately we live in a time where
the sentence of death doesn't always mean death life doesn't always mean life and 25 years can mean 12 or even six
yeah so just keeping that in mind I think is important here because I I'm quick too to go well we're taking a man
that's in his 40s and we're giving him 50 years in prison and that's the same as locking him up and throwing away the
key when in reality it's absolutely not so it's very important that we have these other two trials for Joseph methi
to face Justice for the murders of these other two women the second and the third
trial will be different because in those trials Joe is charged with murder and facing the death penalty in each of the
cases the first murder trial is for the murder of 23-year-old Kimberly Spicer Joe was possibly facing the death
penalty because the prosecutor was charging him with not only murder but with robbery and sexual assault it was
necessary for the pro prosecution to prove robbery or sexual assault in addition to the murder and order to get
that death penalty under Maryland law defense lawyers called a surprise witness in an effort to help Joe avoid
the death sentence yeah this was Baltimore homicide detective Homer Pennington that we had mentioned earlier
the lead homicide detective who investigated the gruesome killing he was asked did Mr methany
discuss his necrofilia acts with you to which Pennington said yes the lawyers this is this is one of the
strangest things I've ever come across in in in Trials here but the lawyers are trying to show that Joe does not deserve
the death penalty because he did not commit an aggravating crime such as sexual assault and then murder the woman
right they called the detective to make a bizarre but important point that Joe preferred to have sex with dead women
and necrophilia is not cons considered a crime in the state of Maryland that's ridiculous just kind of just kind of sit
and soak that in for a minute yeah well it should be so listen to this they should just say pause the trial hey by
the way that's now a new law hey can can we get voters to come out and just put this into into the process immediately
necrofilia should be a crime yes everywhere yes that ain't right anyway so his defense lawyers they did not
contest the claim that Joe per performed a sex act with Spicer's body but this was after her death right in
fact they added that that methany violated Spicer with a bottle after she was dead but they denied that he had sex
with her while she was alive right well another strange part to this trial the defense attorneys considered calling
Spicer's mother to the stand as a witness we don't need to call her well this is what's this is what's strange
about it Joe then persuaded them not to call her he reportedly told the attorneys please do not do this Spicer's
mother this is uh Kathy Kathy Price was not called to the stand it's just so crazy to me all these serial killers
that have issues with their mothers I me it's just over and over right yeah but you're talking about he did some
horrible things to this Kimberly Spicer right and then he he's it's almost like okay to do what he did you you basically
I don't think you can have remorse if you do what he did and then you did it again to somebody else I don't see any
any form of remorse there however him crying at the trial when she when she's to be called and saying hey don't do
this then you start to question is he remorseful is he you know sad about what he did is he sad for this victim for the
mother's victim well I think the victim of his mother I'm not saying that right at all it's a mother of a mother I'm I'm
trying to say the the victim's mother that maybe he felt bad for the victim's mother go ahead right but I possibly but
uh also with the whole situation with his mother you know he seems like somebody that stuck in his past and
maybe by that bringing being brought up to that for Forefront that maybe he this
is going to sound weird but maybe on some way psychologically he's reverted back to a time where he wasn't this
crazy piece of [ __ ] you know what I mean back in a time where maybe he was a Sweet Child you know what I
mean um yeah and that kind of goes you know lot there's a lot of arguments are killers born you know or they or are
they made and it's probably just more selfish than wanting to spare uh Kimberly Spicer's mother the agony of
going on the stand it's probably more selfish in just that it bothered him that it made him upset and he's saying
hey don't do this right right now I I did make a I misspoke earlier Captain Kimberly Spicer was stabbed 26 times
that was the cause of her death Joe was found guilty of first-degree murder in her horrific murder but he was spared
the death penalty by the judge who ruled that Joe did not Rob or sexually assault
the woman before he killed her now a day after escaping the death penalty Joseph
was sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole after the trial Kim Spicer's
mother said to reporters I'd like to ask him why he killed Kim right but stating
that we will never really know he's just a killer and some people there is just evil yeah but did she ever ask him I
don't think she ever had a conversation with with Joe uh outside of the courtroom well and he also like to write
people so I don't you know but that would be a sign of remorse to write a letter to the victim's mother I just
don't think he has that in him the second murder trial took place about 5 months later and again Joe is facing the
death penalty this time he is accused of killing uh Kathy magaziner who was Decap
her decapitated body was found on the grounds of Joe Stein and Son Pallet company but she was she was also
decapitated postmortem yes and I should stop myself here and add that Joe was actually facing three murder charges in
three separate cases originally charged with two but once those trials were set law enforcement they then then
identified a third body and connected it to this case this was Tony Lynn and Gracia she was only 28 years old at the
time of her death her Father John described Tony simply telling reporters that she was a good girl she had some
problems with drugs but she was trying to get help and I hate to report this here but there is very little out there
on this case all that I could find is that um she she okay so her body was found basically dumped on the side of a
road right and when he was arrested they connect connected this case to him I don't know what evidence they used to
connect him to this case my guess sometimes they don't use any evidence they just go this guy's behind bar maybe
he did this one well and I'm kind of throwing this in as a side note that he was charged with this third murder
because eventually it's thrown out they they dro the charges due to insufficient
evidence yeah they couldn't take it to trial right and my guess here is that is he connected to it we may never know but
I know that her case is still unsolved as far as I could see if anybody can find any information on that make sure
you post it on our blog at true Crim garage.com but I'm guessing captain that it's a simple thing that she was
probably running around in in circles that Joe may have been running around in possibly and uh she may have had
connections to that area that he was known to frequent right but it's also look you're going to the bar you're
drinking you're doing drugs you know know something like cocaine that's a very social drug so then your circle
becomes wider and wider yeah but what I'm getting at is I think it's just a simple thing that she
fits the victimology of Joe yeah and he's he's locked up he's certainly capable of it let's go ahead and charge
him with it meanwhile we can't find any evidence to support our Theory well and also maybe their thought was hey let's
charge uh Joe with it because he's also a guy that starts speaking that's true could be as simple as hey we believe
that you uh responsible for this murder of this young lady and he just goes yeah
and this is what happened yeah and then it's a open and you know open and shut case um you know I don't know that's
clever I didn't think of that I didn't I mean because what does it hurt it they yeah you can always charge somebody else
with it exactly so in Joe's second murder trial the murder of Katherine magaziner uh this should be a pretty
open and shut case as well because remember just after Joe was arrested for Kim Spicer's murder 3 days later he led
police to a shallow grave on the property which held the decapitated remains of Kathy now one thing that I I
want to point out here Captain is why they have the person take them to the body and we we know on it obviously is
this on the surface that we need to locate this body so we can charge this individual with the actual murder but
it's essentially a confession right you know I mean well in buried her over there right and but what
they do the reason why they bring a person like Joe to the actual body is that later if he decides he wants to
recant his confession they can still say in court well yeah we can't use your confession against you but you were the
one that physically led us to this body right like like I said said it's almost like uh a second confession um not one
they can't take away exactly so some highlights from this trial the uh final prosecution witness was an FBI agent
this is James Fitz Simmons sounds sounds like a FBI agent yeah oh James Fitz Simmons works for the FBI he told the
bureau he told how the bureau had been investigating a range of alleged criminal activities coming from the Joe
Stein and Sons Company when they received a tip that methany had been harboring a corpse these are
his words now the defense attorney in my opinion Joe had very good counsel at his
trials which I was a little surprised yeah forgive me out there if this is rubbing anybody the wrong way for me
being surprised but we're talking about a drug addict that has no money I mean he was working making s or8 an hour as a
forklift operator getting paid an extra $20 a week and blowing all of his money on drugs and alcohol well and these
crimes are horrendous and he is confessing to them in multiple ways so what great defense attorney is going to
step up and say hey maybe I'll help this guy and and these are cases that you're
going to lose you know you're going to lose them yes and but from his attorney's actions I I'm just saying I'm
giving it a great a I think that he had good representation he had better representation than like Adnan SED and
well and like you said these are losing cases so your whole your whole Battle Ground here is to make sure he doesn't
get killed he doesn't get the death penalty right so that's probably why they jumped on board it was probably
somebody that is against the death penalty that's true and should not be in our legal system and they said hey you
know what I'm going to step up and I'm going to defend that principle not defend this
monster but I'm just going to try to get it you know where he doesn't get the death penalty his attorney's name was
Margaret me um you know if if I'm giving her a grade A I should at least mention
her name uh one thing she did during the course of the trial was she questioned uh the FBI agent about payments that the
FBI made to the owner's son of The Pallet Company H uh yeah and they also made payments to this William Ashbrook
remember he was the guy that had called had told police this guy asked me to help move a body for right okay so it
goes like this um they she brought up a report that showed the FBI had spent approximately
$25,000 on ashbrook's behalf this was they paid him to go to a drug rehabilitation program they paid for
well they didn't pay him to go there they paid for the program itself and they covered his rent uh for some time
while he went into hiding as a cooperating witness the FBI also reimbursed the owner of a house where
Ashbrook had once stayed and the owner accused him of stealing tools valued at $5,000 I I don't fault them for doing
that I mean because at the end of the day they're getting evidence but they're also not just handing this guy money
they're trying to straighten out this guy's life and they probably said hey look you have a drug problem yeah I got
a drug Pro problem hey for for you helping and cooperating with us we're going to try to get you clean right and
we're going to do so by sending you to rehab but we're also going to pay your rent for a while so you have nothing to
worry about why you're in hiding from this 300 and some pound you know Monster of a dude yeah the FBI also spent about
$94,000 to relocate Joe Stein Jr and his family after he began cooperating with the investigation well that's a little
excessive I think that um yeah so they're kind of they're kind of protecting these people from a guy
that's locked up um I'm not saying that's wrong I'm just pointing out something that I
found interesting in the trial I guess the the attorney was possibly trying to imply that they paid these two in some
form to testify against her client yeah I think it's I think it's a reasonable argument um whether or not you can prove
that is another thing I think it's fair to bring it up at the course of the trial yeah Council also was asking the
jury to spare the death penalty because Joe was addicted to drugs and that the slaying occurred while he was under the
influence of heroin cocaine or alcohol and pointing out that Joe has a good deal of remorse for what he has done his
attorney stated that Joe said he wanted the killings to stop she added that he's
very polite respectful and intelligent he understands far more than most people it's very indicative that when he is
under the influence of various narcotics that that is when there seems to be a personality change
Joe himself described this as a rage that comes forward through drugs he described this as being very frustrated
with his life being very frustrated too about how he grew up and all of the life
experiences he had had yeah Joe methany seems like a guy that's just stuck in a prison of his past yeah and the thing
Captain is this you know I went through a couple of the quote unquote highlights
of the trial but the the strangest thing that happened in the trial was after Joe
was found guilty this is where Joe decides to address the jury and I mean this cannot be a smart move at all but
you you can't make this guy stop right he addresses the jury and I'm not going to give any direct
quotes but he starts telling them that they should kill him they should sentence him to death because he is not
sorry for what he has done he will never be sorry for what he has done he then goes on to describe digging up the skull
of one of his victims saying that he made love to it yeah then he's telling the jury that he is happy to go to hell
for his crimes and he talked about when he when when the uh medical examiners had
performed the autopsy on another one of his victims that they had found that she
had and this is his terrible words here that she had given birth to a bouncing baby beer bottle that was his way of
describing the bottle that the medical examiner had found so he was facing the death penalty and I'm happy to report
that he got the death penalty yeah it's kind of a weird thing though because you know he comes out he
confesses then he cries at trial maybe shows some sign of remorse and maybe he was smart enough to know if I
if I address the juries and maybe it was as simple as this person's trying to defend me but they're only trying to
defend me because they don't want the death penalty and they don't believe in the death penalty but they don't give a
[ __ ] about me and you know well I hate women so [ __ ] her too you know what I
mean and I'm I'm going to throw this whole trial right that's possible or he's saying I have to live with myself
and I'm such a gigantic pile of dog manure that I don't want to live anymore so I'm going to say these horrible
things whether or not you know that's just for somebody to decide you know does he believe in what he's saying or
does he not it's possibly a a suicide wish from him I could see that with the depressing statements that he's made
over the years um one thing though I question is everyone that describes Joe they describe him as a smart and and
intelligent man right here's what I wonder Captain having already received 50 years for kidnapping and then a life
without the possibility of parole sentence in the first murder trial so like then they add that now he's facing
the death penalty again and he's been convicted but but not sentenced he goes to the jury and puts on this whole crazy
role I'm wondering if that was some plan inside of his head that he's like well maybe I can convince these people that
I'm crazy that during the course of this trial I'm going to show that I'm remorseful I'm going to have my attorney
point out that I'm remorseful that I was addicted to drugs and the drugs caused me to kill people and when it's all said
done if I have my last card to play is the crazy card yeah and I mean nobody in their right mind would get up and say
the things that he said to the jury so but like you said he's I mean he is not human yes and but but I have so many
questions about Joe though because he's also one of these guys that comes off as
defiant to the end for me maybe this is just a oh well you got me there's nothing I can do about it so I'm going
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December 8th, 1996 - An overweight man picks up a woman from a local bar in southwest Baltimore. He invites her back to his trailer with the promise of drugs and alcohol. She decides to join him. They are only there a short time when he starts making sexual advances toward her. She turns him down. They do some drugs and then his advances became more aggressive. She continues to brush him off and then he attacks her. Somehow she manages to escape and have the man arrested. Just days later this man is arrested again this time for the murder of a young woman. After, he starts talking to investigators about other murders. Tonight we discuss Joe Metheny, his crimes and confessions. Beer of the Week - Duckpin Pale Ale by Union Brewing Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

Joe Methany's chilling crimes, trials, and psychological background are explored in this episode of True Crime Garage.

Key points

The Unpredictable in Surgery. Surgeons are exploring ways to predict surgical challenges using 3D printed organ models.
A Confession from Prison. A chilling letter reveals a murder confession that had never been shared before.
Joe's Dark Confession. Joe Methany reveals his gruesome past and the details of his crimes.
Rita's Narrow Escape. Rita Keer fights for her life against Joe Methany in a terrifying struggle.
Joe's Confession. Joe admits to a chilling thrill from his crimes, stating he got high off it.
Mother's Denial. Joe's mother contradicts his claims about his childhood, insisting he was not neglected.

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